1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners alike. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join the Conversation live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's eight five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred, your direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. 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In planning English? 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: You know? 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: And it prompted me maybe instead of the repair of 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: the week, we should I don't know, to be radio correct, 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: call it the turd of the week. I just you know, 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: I just because, boy. I'll tell you what, there's some 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: real junk out there, and you come across it and 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: you go, ah, is this the worst one? No, this 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: is the worst one. I'll tell you one that's in 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: the contention. I used to think the Chevy Chavette was 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: of every poorly designed vehicle. And I often said, what 29 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: was going through the engineer engineer's mind when they created 30 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: a car where the AC compressor sat right on top 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: of the distributor cap so to do any sort of 32 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: distributor maintenance cap rote or sparkplug wires, anything, you had 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: to take the AC compressor off. And I'm thinking, I remember, 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: this was the best they could come up with from 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: the company that created you know, try five Chevies and 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: muscle cars in the sixties and some of the neatest 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 2: cars you'd ever see come out of a showroom floor 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 2: in the ands, and then along comes the Chavette. Man, 39 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: what a letdown until Chrysler came out with the two 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: hundred C. There's there's just something about the Chrysler two 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: hundred C. It evokes waves of oh God, you're working 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: on one of those from everybody you talk to, and 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: it does. It's not just me and I. You know, 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: I know we want positivity out of the radio and 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: I have no negativity. But you know, I had to 46 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: call my my Chrysler guys at the dealer I, you know, 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: get parts from and I talked to everybody. I talked 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 2: to all four guys at different points because you can't 49 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 2: buy enough parts for certain Chryslers and this one comes 50 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: under that heading in a single day. So you get 51 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: to call back three or four times. I need one 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: of these. I need one of these. I need one 53 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: of these. And every guy you have to give him 54 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: the VN and you give him the last aged digits 55 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: of the VENN, and all you hear is, wow, you 56 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: got one of those. What does that say? We got 57 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: this Chrysler two hundred see from a new customer, and 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: I said, first words out of my mouth was the 59 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: car's not worth fixing. It's a twenty fifteen car, it's 60 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: eleven years old, it's got one hundred and thirty thousand 61 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: miles on it. I know nothing about the history of maintenance. 62 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: I know nothing. As far as you know, who did 63 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: what we're winning, how who's taking care of the carts 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: up from Florida, so it just went an eighteen hundred 65 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: mile trip, which you know, I told the owner, I said, 66 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: you should get a bravery for metal, a metal for bravery, 67 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: because it's like to drive eighteen hundred miles in this 68 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: would be like trying to cross America in a covered wagon. 69 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: It takes guts. And it ended up on our doorstep 70 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: because as it weazed into the Tri state area, the 71 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: radiator lit loose, kaboom, and it was just cool and 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: doll over the place. So I said, you know, we've 73 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: got to find out where why. You know, for a 74 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: radiator to fail like that, I won't say is abnormal, 75 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: but it's not a common thing. We don't see it 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: every day like that, especially not now, not this time 77 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: of year, not in weather conditions that are sixty five 78 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: seventy degrees at best. It's not under a huge heat load. 79 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: But we had to put a radiator in it. The 80 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: radiator was confirmed. The radiator was bad. It was leaking. 81 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: It was a crack or some sort of a leak 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: on the driver's side. I want to know who designed 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: this car, because I really think that guy deserves to 84 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: be haunted by Walter Chrysler from the grave. It's just 85 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: incredible to put a radiator in a Chrysler two hundred C. 86 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: I lie to you, not the bumper comes off. The 87 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: high quality piece of aluminum that sits across underneath the bumper, 88 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: that's the brace support. That's the collision preventor or the 89 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: collision protector. All right. You take this piece of aluminum 90 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: tubing off, and I know aluminum is strong, but I 91 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: keep thinking about head on collisions at sixty miles an hour. 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: It can't be that that's strong. And you take off 93 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: the plastic must be high impact plastic, probably designed by 94 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: NASA because the guy was a space shot. And it's 95 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: this plastic girdle like structure that holds the AC condenser 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: and the radiator together. And there's one other layer of 97 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: something in there that's kind of hard. So there's four 98 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: layers to get to the radiator. Not an easy job, 99 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: you know. It's one of those jobs that you look 100 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: at and you say, you want to use the best 101 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: quality part you can find. You definitely don't want to 102 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: use the cheapest part you can find because you don't 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: want to run the risk of having to do it 104 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: over again for anything. So we ordered a radiator at 105 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: a Chrysler, which, interestingly enough, this is one of the 106 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: few times I've called Chrysler in the last couple of months. 107 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we can get you one of those tomorrow. 108 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: Parts are readily available. Here's a company that's you know, 109 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: Chrysler parent company, Stilantis, is on the verge of going bankrupt, right. 110 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: You read about it every other week, and the financial 111 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 2: papers and the trades that they're just you know, Chrysler 112 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 2: is dying a slow death. And yet we've got parts 113 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: lying around for cars that barely exist anymore, that nobody 114 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: wants to work on them. The people driving them aren't 115 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: aware of how bad of a vehicle it is. I 116 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 2: can get your radiator tomorrow. Great, So we order up 117 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: a radiator. We ordered up a thermostat. You know, what 118 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: the heck we're doing? A car that overheated, A car 119 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: that came to a standstill in the middle of New 120 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: York City. It ran so hot? How hot is hot? 121 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: Hot? 122 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: Is hot enough? It shut off again? You know, gee, 123 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if this car is worth fixing because 124 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: we don't know what took out the radiator. There could 125 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: be complications here. No, no, okay, you know, I always say, well, 126 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: we are all over eighteen. You know what's it's fair game. 127 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: At that point, I give you the warning. You want 128 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: to go ahead, let's go. So we get the radiator 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: in the car, a little bit of trial and tribulation. 130 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: We needed to put radiator hoses on it. And this 131 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: was the other thing. So this is a twenty fifteen Chrysler, right, 132 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: I need upper and lower radiator hoses right out of 133 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: the dealer. Because they're so convoluted and twisted and complicated, 134 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: it's nothing. I can't imagine the aftermarket getting it right. 135 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: Not to mention, I couldn't find any in the after 136 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: market anyway, because they just didn't make it. There was 137 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: tees and branches and clamps and not a traditional radiator hose. 138 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: This is not your sixty three Chevy and Palela anymore. 139 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 2: So we'd put hose and the radiator hose, there's something 140 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: about it. It won't fit because we're missing the quick 141 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: release coupling. Well, after some research, another forty five minutes 142 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: into this car, we find out the quick release coupling 143 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: that's used to attach the rubber radiator hose to the 144 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: aluminum pipe that comes across the front of the engine. 145 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: That quick coupling no longer exists, doesn't exist anywhere. It's 146 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: not even listed in the Chrysler catalog, all right, And 147 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: through further research and trial and tribulation, we discover this 148 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: car was built in January of twenty fifteen up until 149 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: December of twenty fourteen. Even if it was a fifteen 150 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: Chrysler two hundred C, Chrysler issued a different aluminum pipe 151 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: and a different upper radiator hose. I said, what are 152 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: the odds that this will fit a later model instead 153 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: of an early model. Well, the odds are yes, because 154 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: that's what it took. So we, you know, spent another 155 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: three hundred dollars on our upper radiator hose because that's 156 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: what it cost. And we got that problem solved. The 157 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: long and the short of it is, the car went together. 158 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: We were purging air. We didn't release it. We're still 159 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: not sure that it was just a radiator. We're gonna 160 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: find out Monday. But the point of this is when 161 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: your mechanics says no, when your mechanics says don't fix 162 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: the car, you're probably better off listening to them because 163 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: mechanics know things, mechanics see things. On a daily basis 164 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: that you know, it's just living the life. And that's 165 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: really what order repair is about. You're living the life. 166 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: You're not just fixing cars. You're living the life. You're 167 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: you're seeing things from the floor of the shop that, 168 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: like I tell any new mechanic I've ever hired over 169 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: my career, I'm going to show you things that are 170 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: going to leave you tired and weary and scratching your 171 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: head and saying that defies all logic. And that's what 172 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: a Chrysler two hundred C is. We'll see what Monday brings. 173 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: Is it air bound? Is it an engine? Is it 174 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: something worse? Is it no low speed fan because the 175 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: fan doesn't come on till two hundred and twenty nine 176 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: degrees And I kind of WinCE at that. I haven't 177 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: had time to research where the fans both to come 178 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: on yet, but we're gonna find out. Sometimes the best 179 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: week is the week that's over. We prayed for Friday 180 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: and it came here. I am and I'll be back 181 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: right after this. I'm Ron an Enny and the car Doctor. 182 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 4: When you get keep Ron's number handy eight five five 183 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: five six zero nine nine zero zero for when you 184 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: really need advice on your car. 185 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: Here's Rob. Hey. You know, next week a little bit 186 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: of YouTube update, right what's going on? Some really great 187 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 2: videos coming up in the next week or so. One 188 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: of them is Danny working on the Chrysler two hundred 189 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: C and you get to see a smiling face and 190 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: hear that immemorable Danny, what do you think of this car? Great? 191 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: And you know, throughout the whole video it's just yeah, 192 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: and it's not really serious. It's just showing you the 193 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: lunacy of working on some of these cars. But also 194 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: next week on the Car Doctor, we are going to 195 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 2: sit down with Deputy Sheriff Frank Slope from the Panel Counties, 196 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: from the Panel County Sheriff's Office, and I say, Deputy 197 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: Frank Slope of the Panell County Sheriff's Office, and we're 198 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: gonna be talking with Frank about traffic safety, driving habits, 199 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: driving styles, things to do to make better drivers, what 200 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 2: to look for in the other driver, all of that. 201 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: We've already had the pre interview meeting great guy. An 202 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 2: excellent human is the best way I can describe him, 203 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: and we're looking forward to that. So if you're if 204 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: you're out there on YouTube, just look up Fridays with Frank. 205 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: We're talking to him in a week here on The 206 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: Car Doctor exclusively. Let's get over to Bernie in Pennsylvania 207 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: with the twenty one Toyota and some questions about oil. Bernie, 208 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: welcome to the Car Doctor. How can I help? 209 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 3: Brian love you show, Thanks for taking my call. I'm 210 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: the son of Im Cank. Actually you mentioned Chrysler. My 211 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 3: dad was a Chrysler master technician, service guy that didn't 212 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: take a part of a tork slight transmission and reassemble it, 213 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: rebuild it without instruction. He is that one of those guys. 214 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: That was a rare and great generation, wasn't it. And 215 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: for sure you know and you know, but you know 216 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: what the sad part is, Bernie. I think this generation 217 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: could do that as well, but they don't let them. 218 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: And now it's all R and R right replace the transmission. 219 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: They don't. 220 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 2: I don't think they do any real rebuild in the 221 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: in the at the dealer level or in the shop 222 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: level anymore. And I think part of that's the you know, 223 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: the complexity of the vehicle. It's it's it's just it's 224 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: just sad. But yeah, those they could rebuild an eight. 225 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: I think it was a seven twenty seven torque flight. 226 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: They could rebuild those in their sleep. Those guys, they 227 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: were just a great bunch of great bunch of mechanics 228 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: like today. So how can I help you, sir? What's 229 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: on your mind? 230 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, I've heard you a grapevine that the viscosity 231 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: in the oil that they're recommending in like my RABS 232 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 3: zero to sixteen is really not doing well for these engines. 233 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: And from what I've heard sort of talking about switching 234 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: to a five thirty, but Toyota apparently isn't making that 235 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 3: official as yet. And I was just. 236 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: Curious, who, you know, we hear so many things. There's 237 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: there's so many bathroom rumors out in the world to 238 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: say it cleanly on radio, that you just wonder, where 239 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: are you hearing this on the internet from an official forum, 240 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: from an official you know. And I I'd be cautious 241 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: about that, Bernie, I really would. 242 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,239 Speaker 3: Nothing officially yet, But you know, from some of my 243 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: mechanic buddies have said they've they've actually switched over to 244 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 3: a heavier weight oil and it really improves the overall 245 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 3: sound and feel of the engine. Right, So, but then 246 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: I can understand the lower viscosity in the winter, you know, 247 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 3: easier startups. Let's maybe summertime, switching to a little little 248 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 3: heavier weight. 249 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: Are you a start stop vehicle? 250 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: Uh? 251 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: It is, but I don't use it. 252 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: Okay. You know part of part of the lower viscosity, 253 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: or part of that zero sixteen, that correct viscosity, is 254 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: to gain acceleration rpm during start stop operation. So that's 255 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: part of it. But let's let's look at it this way, 256 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: all right, because this is how I encourage everybody to 257 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: look at oils. I think there are better oils in 258 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: the world. Some are better than others. You know, are 259 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: they worth the price? What is the planned longevity for 260 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: that vehicle? And I say that because we use zero 261 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: sixteen whatever, whatever it calls for, we put in. We 262 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 2: don't even think about it, all right, knock wood right 263 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: in all the cars we pour zero sixteen in, we 264 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: haven't had a failure yet. We haven't had one, you know, 265 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: come up to us at eighty ninety one hundred and 266 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: fifty two hundred thousand miles and say, you know, it's 267 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: spun a rod bearing, it's consuming oil. Where we see 268 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: the problem, Where I specifically see the problem with oils, 269 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: whether regardless of viscosity, is that longer oil change and 270 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: that cheaper oil filter and you know low level. 271 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: Mile Yeah, I do mine every five thousand and good 272 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: filters too, highly rated filters that are important. 273 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: And I think I think doing that, I think an 274 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: oil that meets manufacturer spec and a good quality filter 275 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: every five I think that's probably the best weapon against it. 276 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's a lot of hearsay in 277 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: the automotive world, right. I read an article the other day, 278 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, it was on the YouTube video. 279 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: I posted a YouTube video that you know, talked about 280 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: Mobile one. And I'm not saying Mobile One's the only oil. 281 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: It's just something I happened to come across. Mobile one 282 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: has a rated five thirty that's not Dexos approved for 283 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: GM vehicles, and a rated five thirty that is Dexos approved. 284 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: And the guys that kind of jumped on that and said, well, 285 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: Dexos is just GM's way of marketing. You know, I 286 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: got to tell you if a car company comes out 287 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: and says, this is the oil we want you to use, 288 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: and this is the editors we want in the oil, 289 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: and this is the way we want you to use 290 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: the oil they've engineered that, they've lawyered up, they've gone 291 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: through legal they've looked at the best possible scenarios. You know, 292 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: do I think that that oil changed scenario as far 293 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: as interval matches. No, I'll defend that to my dieing day. 294 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: But if they tell me to use zero sixteen or 295 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: five thirty or dexos one rated, what's the harm? Right? 296 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: You know, until I see a real world scenario now, 297 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: regardless of viscosity, regardless of brand type, Rating and correct 298 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: rating is important. But I'm saying to me what I've 299 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: seen real world, So it's no longer hearsay. It's what 300 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: I see on a repetitive basis every day in the shop. 301 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: Is the car that goes short trips, longer oil change intervals, 302 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: you know, and or now combined poor quality, filter's wrong, viscosity, 303 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: it's and to me, it's such an easy thing to do, right. 304 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: They tell you use zero sixteen, they tell you meet 305 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: this spec, just go buy that and put it in. 306 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: Why are we wasting all this time thinking about it? 307 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: You know? 308 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: It's it's We're funny. Human beings are a funny bunch. 309 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: Bernie and then I'll let you go. I've got a customer. 310 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: I've got a customer with an F one fifty and 311 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: oh nine F one fifty four pickup truck. Father and 312 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: son they bought. They're like serial number thirty one and 313 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: thirty two of the assembly one. When they bought those vehicles, right, 314 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: every oil change for the first three years, we had 315 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: to do an oil analysis. So they spent the money. 316 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: They kept sending it out. I think it's Blackstone Labs 317 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: or Keystone Labs, whoever it is. And they kept getting 318 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: back reports and they kept spending the money for this 319 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: oil analysis. And I didn't understand that, and I don't 320 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: understand it today because now as these trucks are finally 321 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: they're fifteen years old. Now when these trucks need something, well, 322 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to spend the money. 323 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: I want to know why did we worry about it 324 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: so much in the beginning, and now when we're more 325 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: concerned about what's going on inside the vehicle, we're shying 326 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: away from the maintenance and the care. Shouldn't it be 327 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: equal throughout the life of the vehicle. And that's my point. 328 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 2: Poor zero sixteen Bernie, use a good filter. Do your 329 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: oil change intervals. Think about the other fluids in the car. 330 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: They're just as important. And I bet you that car 331 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: goes two hundred thousand miles. And then some good talking 332 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: to you. You have a great rest of the way weekend. 333 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: I'm run any in the car, doctor, I'm back right after. 334 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 6: This from the Sety Street. It's to the open road 335 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 6: tonight after a Roundney's hell, bron will keep you roll. 336 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 5: My star. 337 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 4: You know what we need to talk. 338 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: Okay. 339 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 4: I was just back in the green room and I 340 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 4: had to convince the band to come out and play 341 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 4: becau Is. Today is March fourteenth, which is three one four, 342 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 4: which is Pie day. And you were supposed to have 343 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 4: the pie. There's no pie in the green room. 344 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 2: Run well, well, well I would blame the HR person. 345 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: Let's let's it was your day to bring it. You promised. No, See, 346 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: Kathy's in charge of that, so it's really up to her. 347 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: Well that's what that's what research. Kathy does. She brings 348 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: the pie, she does the research, and she's in charge 349 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: of HR. 350 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: So you just threw her under the bus. 351 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: I just threw her. I just threw her under the bus. Well, 352 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: but go complain to hr, which is her. So either 353 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: way you'll end up having to talk to her. So 354 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: either way the problem is solved. Let's go to Bill 355 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: in Colorado. Bill, save me. Ho's going on? Baby? 356 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 5: I'm not saving you, man, Man, I'm supposed to bring 357 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 5: the pie. 358 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: Ye, well, listen, if you show up, I'll bring the pie. 359 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: How's that? 360 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 5: Yes? 361 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So what's going on? 362 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 5: My friend's got a twenty fourteen Civic ex to hundred 363 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 5: fifteen thousand miles on it. He brought it to me 364 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 5: complaining of a slight performed. The acceleration was a little 365 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 5: bit off, it seemed like to him, and I couldn't 366 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 5: really tell from the feel of the car, but the 367 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 5: numbers are weird. 368 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 3: Uh. 369 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 5: The fuel trends were zero idol and negative under acceleration. 370 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, they're positive under acceleration. I was thinking fuel pressure. 371 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 372 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: Well wait, how how positive? Short term? Forty long term 373 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: or total short? Okay? 374 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: Short? 375 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: No codes, nothing, nothing pending, nothing close, nothing close to 376 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: being a full Nope. 377 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 5: But the the calculated load parliamtric efficiency there we go 378 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 5: was under wide open throttle was forty percent. Okay, So 379 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 5: I get in there. First thing I find is the 380 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 5: intake tube was completely torn up, which I thought was 381 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 5: weird because I wasn't showing any. 382 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: Disparity on this airflow at idol. 383 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, and the and the mass airflow looked about right, 384 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 5: looked a little high, and so I obviously replaced the tube, 385 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 5: didn't throttle body, relearned it, and the fuel trims were 386 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 5: now positive. I'm sorry, fueld trims are negative at idle 387 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 5: and going positive under acceleration. So once again I'm thinking 388 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 5: fuel pressure flow. So fuel pressure was fifty seven psi 389 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 5: in spec and the flow was twelve seconds. 390 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so it sounds right, yeah, all right, So so 391 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 2: so let's let's let's let's look at this. And I 392 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: heard you say you reset fuel trim because this car 393 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: is confused, right. 394 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 5: I relearned the throttle body after ac cleaned it, all right. 395 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: And did you, by chance disconnect the battery cables and 396 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: just tie them together? 397 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 5: I didn't do that. 398 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: Try that. See where that takes you. This is a 399 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: confused car, all right, and there may be a learning 400 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 2: curve to it. We may have to send it back 401 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: to school for remedial math, all right. I would also 402 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: just and I'm not sure if you did or didn't, 403 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: but I would definitely do some sort of a fuel 404 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: system cleaning beyond the throttle body. 405 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 5: So I sent him home with a prescription for a 406 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 5: CRC one tank. 407 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: Let's see what that does, right, Well, so keep in 408 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: mind CRC one tank is a wonderful product, all right now. 409 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: But I would also do a formal I would do. 410 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: I think it's some zero five I have three two 411 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: zero is the part number for CRCU there or is 412 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: that the one tank there where we actually do an 413 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: induction spray? I know they make a product, but I 414 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 2: would I would do a CRC fuel system cleaning kit 415 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: where it's the formal cleaning and and you know, i'd 416 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: want to go through and clean carbon deposits, pissed and 417 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: top back of the valves, all that stuff. Two hundred 418 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: thousand miles bill, yeah, two fifteen you know, thirteen year 419 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: old vehicle ever been done? 420 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 5: I actually he had a shot to some induction cleaning recently, right, 421 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 5: making a difference. 422 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 2: Right, And just keep in mind Ron's rule. Right, What's 423 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: Ron's rule? If I didn't do it, and I didn't 424 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: see it done, and I don't see the results of it, 425 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: I question it every time, you know, it's just, you know, 426 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: did they do it right? Did they did they do 427 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: what they were supposed to do? Did they actually do it? 428 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: You know, it's not that I'm a doubting Thomas, but 429 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 2: you know what I should have been born? And was 430 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: it Missouri? Show me, you know, because that's always in 431 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: the back of my mind. Also, a vehicle this age, 432 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: a Honda this age, and I don't do a lot 433 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: of these because we haven't seen well I don't. We 434 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: don't do a lot of valve adjustments on Honda's. Haven't 435 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: seen the need, haven't run across it. But two hundred 436 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: and fifteen thousand, Yeah, just. 437 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 5: So the leader is an adjustable valve car. 438 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 2: Ummm no, maybe, oh is it? I'd have to look. 439 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: I would just consider it. If it's an adjustable valve car, 440 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 2: I would look at that. I don't remember now off 441 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: the top of my head. 442 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 5: You say that, I didn't think of that at all. 443 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 5: I almost did a compression test, but then I was. 444 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: Like, no, why, Well, you know, it's it's a case 445 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: of I'm just looking at miles and I'm starting to 446 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: consider how many of them get to two fifteen? You know, 447 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: we we most people got to remember we live and 448 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: work in Bergen County, New Jersey. When the astrays get 449 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: full in the guest tank gets empty, people throw cars 450 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: away here. You know it's it's the car gets to 451 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand miles and they're driving around 452 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: and a used car. It drives them insane and they 453 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: go out the door. But we have seen some go 454 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: over that two hundred thousand mile mark, and that seems 455 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: to be where the valve adjustments on the Honda's actually 456 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: come into play and they get a little bit more critical. 457 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: So it's just again we're looking for we're looking for reasons. 458 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: Now you ran VE. You ran a volumetric efficiency test. 459 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, after I replaced the intake too, that went up 460 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 5: to wopping fifty. 461 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: Right, you know you've done VE before. I know in 462 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 2: talking to you Bill, right, okay, and you know there 463 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: there are things you can go look at this. This 464 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: almost sounds like it's got a breathing issue, right because 465 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: VE should be higher than well, so do we do 466 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 2: we have it? Do we have any restriction and exhaust? 467 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: Do we see where? 468 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 3: You know? 469 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: Where do the numbers go after we do the relearn? 470 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: Is what I want to sort of say, how long 471 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: was that intake boot torn. That intake boot will wreak 472 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 2: havoc because that is unmetered air after the mass airflow sensor, 473 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: so it's it's it's unaccounted for. So depending upon how 474 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: long he was driving it like that, the longer he 475 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: was driving it like that, the worse it is. I 476 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: would almost venture to guess that the throttle body was disgusting. 477 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 5: It wasn't great. 478 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know where where did all that come from? 479 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: But I'd be I'd be looking at I mean, listen, 480 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: you're doing it right. You know, fuel pressure and volume 481 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: is good. You know it's got a good intake duck. 482 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 2: Now I'd reset fuel trim, disconnect the battery, tie the 483 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: cables together, let it lead down for five to ten minutes, 484 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: put it back together. Okay. I would consider a valve adjustment. 485 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: If it's an adjustable valve. I would want to do 486 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: a real fuel system Yeah, I'd want to do a 487 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: real fuel system cleaning. Okay, and make sure that that's done. 488 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: And how about manifold vacuum. Can we do a manifold 489 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: vacuum check? What is it at idle? What is it 490 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 2: off idle? You know, manifold vacuum old school, but it 491 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 2: tells us a lot, right, and you know. 492 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, looks good, right? 493 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: What is it? 494 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 5: The sixteen eighteen range? 495 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: All right? And if you yeah, I know, then you 496 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: have to play that too because you're up in the mountains. 497 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: And then if you put your foot to the floor, 498 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 2: will it will it go to zero? 499 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 3: You know? 500 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: A dynamic low test under under operation tells you a 501 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: lot too. And when you check fuel pressure, did you 502 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: look at fuel pressure while you were driving? 503 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: No? 504 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: Do that? Always look always look under the condition, right 505 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: because cars change, cars changed day and night, cars change 506 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: on the road and in the in the bay. All right, 507 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: there's there's there's nothing wrong with And I'm probably known 508 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: around Bergen County is every once in a while I 509 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: come across that weird guy with the fuel pressure gauge 510 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: taped to the windshield. That's me because I'm out driving 511 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 2: around with fuel pressure gauges on the car. And you know, 512 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: I'm a. 513 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 5: Little scared by that. Got to split the system open. 514 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, No, I get it, and you got to 515 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: be safe however you do it. But it's just something 516 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: to consider. But let's do the easy stuff first and 517 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: then we'll come back and do the hard stuff. How's 518 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: that cool? 519 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 5: All right, kiddo, have a great one. You too happy? 520 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: So thank you Bill. We'll think we'll think of you 521 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: later on. We'll have you having apple pie and ice cream. 522 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: Now we have to have strawberry and we'll talk to Kathy. 523 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 2: We'll get some pie from her. Eight five five five 524 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: six nine nine zero zero. I'm running Ny and the 525 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 2: car doctor. I'll be back right after this. And look 526 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 2: at that, we are back once again. Let's go to 527 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: Tom in Florida five Chrysler Tom. Welcome to the car doctor, sir. 528 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: How can I help? 529 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Doctor Ron. 530 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 7: How are you? 531 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: I'm good, sir, rocking along. I didn't. I didn't think 532 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: I had much to talk about today, but so far 533 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I gotta drink more coffee. 534 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 7: Well down here, it's just it's beer time anyhow. I 535 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 7: have a two thousand and five Chrysler Seabring converted both 536 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 7: two point seven engine with eighty nine thousand, five and 537 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 7: twenty five miles on it. My problem is the temperature 538 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 7: gage keeps rising, but when I turn the heat on, 539 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 7: it goes back to normal. Okay, well, you don't want 540 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 7: the heat on in the summer. 541 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: Times. 542 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 2: Why not? Yeah, I know, I get it. 543 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 7: Well, I took a top down. 544 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: Right, But but does it will it actually get to 545 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: the point where it's running too hot and overheating or 546 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 2: are you going on the basis of the gauge. 547 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 7: I'm going on the basis of the gauge. And it 548 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 7: doesn't overheat, it doesn't smoke. There's no milk residue in 549 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 7: the oil. 550 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: Stick you on the cartons, you on the carsions new Tom. 551 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 7: No, I've owned the car for five years. I replaced 552 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 7: the radiator, the cooing chance, the condenser, and what is 553 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 7: the housing on top of the manifold, right, because. 554 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: The thermostat is not where people think it is. There's 555 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: that black plastic housing, right, it's at the bottom. It's 556 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: kind of bizarre. So so you have good heat, correct 557 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: you put your hand down there the heat scalding, right, Okay? 558 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: So and this this engine, you know what, maybe I 559 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: have to rethink if the Chrisler two hundred C was 560 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: the worst, because this one's this car is a whole 561 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: concept away from that. This is the predecessor to it. 562 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: So if you were to take the thermostat out, that 563 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: the housing and the thermostat all, right, there's there's with 564 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: the with the with the thermostat out, you'll notice a 565 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: little machined area and a small drilled hole about about 566 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: a pencil diameter above it. Yeah, if you if you 567 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: take some shop air and blow through there, all right, 568 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: and take the plastic outlet off the top of the engine, 569 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: and you want to put a rag there because you're 570 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: going to bload debris out. You may get you may 571 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: get out debris. If that hole or that passage is clogged, 572 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: it will affect regulation of engine temperature and how it 573 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: signals the fan to come on and actually cause the 574 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: cooling system to run hotter, not much ten fifteen, maybe 575 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: twenty degrees, but exkews it and over time, let's face it, 576 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: that's now a twenty one, twenty two year old vehicle. 577 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: You know. It's just it's just sort of you want 578 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: to flush that passage away from time to time. It 579 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: tends to collect debris, now, believe it or not. Early on, 580 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: Chrysler says that that happened because of core sand left 581 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 2: in the block during assembly. But yet we still see it. 582 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: I've seen it as long ago. The last one of 583 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: these we saw it was probably a good five years ago. 584 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: But we saw it then. It was just before COVID, 585 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: So what was that twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, It's something 586 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: like that. It's not an impossibility so many years later, 587 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: so and then you know it's it's the it's the 588 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: obvious stuff. Do we have a cool and temp sensor 589 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,479 Speaker 2: that's not reading correct? Do we have a fan assembly 590 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: that's not being triggered correctly? Do we actually have an 591 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 2: overheat condition? I'd want to be looking at it on 592 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: a scan tool, and what is what does my scan 593 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: tool say in comparison to what the temperature gauge says? 594 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: You know? Am I am? I? 595 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 3: Am? 596 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: I looking at a and an incorrectly calibrated temp sensor. 597 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: And keep in mind too, all right, if if is 598 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: it really overheating? That's what I kind of want to know, 599 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: the fact that you turn the heat on and the 600 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: temperature goes down. That's the laws of physics, my friend. 601 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: That's just the way cars and heating systems work. So 602 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: until I prove to that I've got an overheat condition 603 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: or a problem, I don't know that I'm going to 604 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: bank on that. I would be cautious. I'd want to 605 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: know what temperature that you're seeing what's the maximum that's 606 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: going to I don't trust gauges. I want to see 607 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: what the temperature is by scan tool, and I want 608 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: to look at it with a thermal imaguer, which is 609 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: a scan across the front with a handheld. So do 610 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: those things. Call me back, let me know where we stand. 611 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call. Tom eight five five five six 612 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: nine nine zero zero. The car Doctor's cruising back right 613 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: after this. So we come to the end. And here 614 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 2: we are at the end of this hour. By the way, 615 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: I guess it's next hour. If I can pry it 616 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: out of Tom's hands. We're giving away a toolkit for 617 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: the road, a road toolkit for courtesy the folks over 618 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: at Advance Autoparts, the Diehard seventy three piece roadside Emergency Kit. 619 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: It's gonna have Tom's fingerprints all over it because I 620 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: saw him playing with it before. But just know that, 621 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: you know what I looked at this kit. It's kind 622 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: of neat. It's a neat piece tote bag, very well 623 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: made tools, everything you sort of need for that last 624 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: minute emergency on the side of the road. That'll you know. 625 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: It's it's just it's just a good thing to have, 626 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: So we're giving that away courtesy of Advance Autoparts. That's 627 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: that's next hour this week. Next week on the Car Doctor. 628 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: To make you aware of it one more time, we're 629 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: gonna sit down with Deputy Frank Slope or the Pennell 630 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: County Shriff's office and Friday's with Frank, right, he's out 631 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 2: on YouTube. You see him all the time. Some of 632 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: the crazy things that he goes through pulling cars over 633 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 2: and what people do and say, and you know, I'm 634 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: not getting out of the car, and all the other 635 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: crazy things people think they can get away with. It's 636 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 2: really kind of interesting. Frank's got some great stories and 637 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: some very sound advice on you know, what to do 638 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: if you're pulled over, how to be pulled over safely. 639 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: Had to drive better, you know, I never really thought 640 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: about it. Making a left turn is the worst thing 641 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: you can do driving a car. It's the most dangerous moment. 642 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 2: Frank's going to explain that next week. We've already had 643 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 2: the pre show interview with him and we look forward 644 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: to that. So that's coming up next week here on 645 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 2: the Car Doctor. By the way, we wrote Mike row 646 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: Info at Microworks dot com. We wrote Mike ro we'd 647 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 2: get to hear back. If anybody's got the inside track, 648 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 2: we'd appreciate it. We'd like to get Mike Row up 649 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 2: here on The Car Doctor and talk to him next. 650 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: I'm Roninini and the Car Doctor. It's been an absolute 651 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: pleasure till the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 652 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 5: See he's a car doctor. 653 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 2: Carr advice to write