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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome to the Monday morning podcast Hoops Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Podcaster at the Volume Jason Timf and I will break

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Speaker 2: down the Warriors game. What a sensational series that has

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Speaker 2: been Draymond Green doesn't block that shot, Kings hit the

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Speaker 2: final jumper. The dynasty is arguably over. I feel like

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Speaker 2: I'm watching the younger version of the Warriors try to

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Speaker 2: beat the Warriors. I picked Golden State in six. I

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Speaker 2: do not know if they can beat this King's team

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Speaker 2: in Sacramento. I'm not sure they I'm not sure they can.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this that you know for years. You all

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Speaker 2: know this is that you know the regular season, if

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Speaker 2: you play hard, have a couple of decent scores, you

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Speaker 2: in a lot of games in the NBA. But I've

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Speaker 2: always been reticent to criticize coaches for rotations because rotations

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Speaker 2: get disrupted due to injuries, due to matchups. When you

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Speaker 2: watch this King's Warriors series, both of these coaches, you

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Speaker 2: know they're going with a hot hand. They're pulling out

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Speaker 2: all the stops. It won't show up in the box score.

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Speaker 2: But Dante de Vincenzo for the Warriors has had spurts

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Speaker 2: where He's been incredibly valuable. Looney isn't a big score,

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Speaker 2: but his presence around the rim with Sabonis and tipping

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Speaker 2: balls away from the basket or to Steph or Jordan

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Speaker 2: Poole or Wiggins, you know, to get the break going.

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Speaker 2: I've said this about football for years. I don't get

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Speaker 2: caught up on play calling. You have no idea what

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Speaker 2: a coach is seen and not seen on film the

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Speaker 2: previous week, what works situationally, what are the tendencies So

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Speaker 2: it's easy to sit back and watch a game. I

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Speaker 2: can't believe that third and eight call. It could have

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Speaker 2: worked the previous four weeks against that team, and they

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Speaker 2: plug some holes up and it doesn't work that week

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Speaker 2: or in that moment. I'm watching Steve Kerr and Mike Brown.

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Speaker 2: I mean they are coaching every possession. I mean, Steve

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Speaker 2: Kerr looks like a high school coach and a state

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Speaker 2: final sudden death game. They are coaching every time down

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Speaker 2: the floor. And some of this series is these teams

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Speaker 2: are playing at such a rapid pace you just got

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Speaker 2: to let players play. I mean, these teams had all

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Speaker 2: sorts of turnovers. The Kings and Dubs had all sorts

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Speaker 2: of turnovers. You can't coach your way out of some

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Speaker 2: of those. These teams are so skilled, they're deep, and

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Speaker 2: Darren Fox and Steph are quarterbacks on the field. You

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Speaker 2: just got to let them make mistakes. So I don't

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Speaker 2: get too caught up in substitution patterns. These series are

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Speaker 2: you're going with what is working. I felt watching that

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Speaker 2: games in one. The energy shifted back and forth. The

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Speaker 2: Kings had this game multiple times, had opportunities to seize

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Speaker 2: control of the game, and had six seven to eight

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Speaker 2: ugly poorly time turnovers or Sacramento wins this game. So

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Speaker 2: the nuance of this series is it feels like an

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Speaker 2: NBA championship. Now you know who knows what Denver is.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to get tested much in Round one.

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Speaker 2: But I've watched every single team in the West play

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Speaker 2: all their playoff games. I feel like I'm watching the

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Speaker 2: Western Conference finals with these two teams. I feel like

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Speaker 2: I'm watching an old dynasty about to be replaced potentially

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Speaker 2: by the Kings, a new dynasty in the West. It's

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Speaker 2: just been a sensational first round series. I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: think of something that matches it. It has been I

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Speaker 2: think it's going to go seven games, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure the Warriors can win on the road. But it's

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Speaker 2: been about as good a first round series as I

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Speaker 2: ever remember. Watching These games have been fantastic. This is

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite weeks of the year, as all

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Speaker 2: of you know if you've listened to me for years.

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Speaker 2: I love the NFL draft, the architecture of it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Jets were a great example last year where they

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Speaker 2: and it literally set the future up. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: a pass rush. They just need to upgrade at tight end,

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Speaker 2: left tackle, wide receiver. Joe Douglas will do that. In

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Speaker 2: sky is the limit. So you know, other drafts are different.

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Speaker 2: Even a great college baseball player, he's not going to

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Speaker 2: What is he in year five? It takes a long time.

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Speaker 2: These guys come out at nineteen years old. NFL is

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Speaker 2: They're real men. They're physically ready to play. So if

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Speaker 2: know people lament the LA Rams. They have a second

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Speaker 2: the Jets and the Seahawks last year are great examples.

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Speaker 2: You nail your verse four or five draft picks. You

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Speaker 2: can in that moment you bring in five new starters

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Speaker 2: It changes shifts the paradigm of the entire franchise. I mean,

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Speaker 2: look at how bad the Jets were, the mess Joe

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Speaker 2: left tackle, two of the three most important positions in football.

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Speaker 2: He missed on both. And if Aaron Rodgers signs and

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Speaker 2: they hit on a left tackle and one other receiver,

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Speaker 2: the Jets can play with anybody in this league, including

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Speaker 2: So I love this week. I think the NFL is

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Speaker 2: the League of hope more than any other league. I

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Speaker 2: remember when Bill Parcells years ago took over the Miami

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Speaker 2: they won eleven games, and I read an article Tony

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Speaker 2: Sperano I think was Bill Parcell's choice as a coach,

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Speaker 2: Like the NFL. It takes two to three free agent signings,

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Speaker 1: Colin. How you doing man? What a game? Harrison Barnes

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Speaker 1: with the shot of his life. He had a chance

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Speaker 1: to erase all the pain and suffering from the twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen finals that he left it long.

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Speaker 2: Well, they needed that Draymond block. They needed the twenty

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Speaker 2: two from Jordan Poole. I feel like I'm watching the

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Speaker 2: younger Warriors take on the old Warriors. They Stephen Dearin,

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Speaker 2: get baskets, get great looks when they want, you have enforcers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they really needed Jordan Poole's game. Now can

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Speaker 2: he do it on the road because he was so

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Speaker 2: bad in the first two games at sack. But if

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Speaker 2: they can get that kind of effort from Jordan and Pool,

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Speaker 2: that Draymond block is the block of the year for

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Speaker 2: the Warriors. So listen. I don't know if they're going

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Speaker 2: to win this series because I don't know if they

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Speaker 2: can win Sacramento. I really don't. But you talk about

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Speaker 2: a win for the league. Oh what a great series.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. You know, it's funny. With Jordan Poole.

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Speaker 1: I actually had a buddy text me a few days

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Speaker 1: ago and he goes, Hey, like Austin Reeves, Danzel Russell,

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Speaker 1: Desmond Bane, Jordan Poole, like rank them, And I can't

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Speaker 1: remember exactly where I had him, but I had him

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. But when I responded to him,

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Speaker 1: one of the things I said was like, I think

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Speaker 1: the best individual skill out of any of those players,

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Speaker 1: like the if you were ranking all their skill sets

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Speaker 1: and I thought in this particular game that was the

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Speaker 1: biggest way that he contributed was beating people off the

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Speaker 1: the Kings shot so well, they needed something to offset that.

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Speaker 2: Look at the look at the box score. They both

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Speaker 2: shot forty threes, both shot over forty seven percent from

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Speaker 2: both had uh over to over twenty five assists, steals,

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Speaker 2: forty six. I mean, it was an incredibly even game.

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Speaker 2: That's why in games like that, it's it's the Draymond block,

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Speaker 2: it's was one miss jumper, or it goes the other way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you look at now there was a free

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Speaker 2: the end of the game. I don't you know. The

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Speaker 2: one thing about the Kings is they always they feel

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Speaker 2: if almost you just if you put Jordan Pool on

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Speaker 2: the Kings, it would it would literally be the guy.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like the Warriors always just have one

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Speaker 2: more three, one more shooter, and that's the difference. And

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Speaker 2: over the course of the Kings building this puppy, they

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 1: He's been great in every game. This is an out

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Speaker 2: You make a mistake out there, it's a layuper a

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Speaker 2: If you don't people that don't get him, you don't

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Speaker 2: get the game. Like anybody know. Everybody knows that Darren

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Speaker 2: I watch Draymond and I think he should open a

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Speaker 1: They've been running a ton of steph high pick and

427
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Speaker 1: roll as this series has progressed, Like there was a

428
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Speaker 1: play at the end of this game where Andrew Wiggins

429
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: made a floater. Steph runs the high pick and roll,

430
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: they trap him. He makes the drop off pass to Draymond.

431
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: He's rolling down the basket. Looney and Wiggins kind of

432
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: mess up. They both cut, and you never want to

433
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: both cut because now you're getting in each other's way.

434
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: It's better for one guy to cut, one guy to

435
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: state the three point line. And Draymond like hangs in

436
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: the air and just waits barely for Wiggins to kind

437
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: of break open and hits him in stride, and Wiggins

438
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: makes the floater, and I'm like, man, that was kind

439
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 1: of an impressive play. In traffic and the short role.

440
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: They like having the ball in his hands. He can

441
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 1: disrupt guys below the rim defensively. He can disrupt guys

442
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: above the rim defensively. Tap out rebounds is a big one.

443
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,959
Speaker 1: There'll be like a ball in the air and he

444
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: knows he can't go get it, but he'll just run

445
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: up and just tap at it and just keep it

446
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: alive for some one of his guards to come in

447
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: and make a play. I thought he was magnificent down

448
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: the stretch this game. Defensely, I also thought Steph did

449
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: a pretty decent job and a couple of switches against

450
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: Darren Fox. Steph is an underrated athlete from the standpoint

451
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: of his physical profile. We always think of him as

452
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: a small guarden. But he's like six ' three and

453
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: he's pretty strong. Like he's actually got a good amount

454
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 1: of weight to him, and a big play there at

455
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: the end, like when Darren tried to attack him on

456
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: the final possession, Like he'll get out and bump and

457
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: knock him off of his ground a little bit. Or

458
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: when he gets down, he'll bump him a little bit.

459
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: Understanding that's allowed in the postseason, Like he just he

460
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: can hang in those matchups a little bit. I thought

461
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: as a team, the Warriors hawking to loose balls down

462
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: the stretch was a big part of why they ended

463
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Speaker 1: up coming out on top. I will say this though,

464
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: and I wonder what your opinion is. You know, I'm

465
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: a big believer that the regular season is a good

466
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: indicator of how a team's going to perform in the postseason.

467
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: They got a little sloppy down the stretch that they

468
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: backed back turnovers. There was that Jordan Poole attempted pass

469
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 1: to Klay Thompson in the quarter that Malie Clark Grabb did,

470
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: and then there was the illegal screen from Kaman Mooney.

471
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me because all season long, they've

472
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: been just a little sloppy in those situations compared to

473
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Speaker 1: previous seasons, and it almost burned them tonight. And so

474
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: I really do think that's something that they better sharpen

475
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: up if they intend to make a longer playform and

476
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: certainly to win this series.

477
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: I think Jordan Poole's game is a little sloppy. It's

478
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 2: a little loose. It's a lot of one handed stuff

479
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: by the rim. I think Clay's had a very good

480
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: regular season. You can put Clay in spots offensively where

481
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: he's uncomfortable with the ball a little bit. You know,

482
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: he's a classic catch and shoot guy. They are, I

483
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: thought Sacramento I almost tweeted this. They had about six

484
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: turnovers today and they all came at the worst times. God,

485
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: the Kings had like I mean, they both had about

486
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: the same number of turnovers. They had way too many,

487
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: but the Kings came at bad times, like they trail

488
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: by three. Now it's six. You know they can take

489
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: a lead. Stuff comes down hits a three. Now they

490
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: trail by four. The Kings had a lot of opportunities

491
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: in this game. They're gonna look at film on the

492
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: way home and that's that Mike Brown and that staff

493
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: are going to be like, we gave this game away.

494
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: They may have had six to eight turnovers with opportunities

495
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: to like extend a two point lead or take a lead,

496
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: and they failed on so many of them. So I

497
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: kind of feel like Sacramento almost ended the Dynasty, and

498
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna look at that film on the

499
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: way home and they're gonna think, we just gave one away.

500
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: We just gave a game away. They outplayed Golden State early,

501
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: too many turnovers. They're a tough out man, they are

502
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: the Baby Warriors. They are a tough out and they're

503
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: really smart. As I said at the start of this,

504
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: I just feel like they need another shooter and they'll

505
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: probably get that in the draft or you know, somewhere

506
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: in free agency.

507
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: I actually think if they upgrade the Sabonus position at

508
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: any point, they could be super dangerous because like the

509
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: unsung heroes of this series have been well, I say unsung.

510
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: The real heroes of this series have been Malik, Bunk

511
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: and Deer and Fox and the simple fact that nobody can.

512
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: Malik's been good in this whole series. And it's funny

513
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: because the Lakers couldn't afford to keep him. But that's

514
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: the only reason he's not a Laker right now. He

515
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: was one of the rare bright spots last year, just

516
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: an excellent shot creator that can beat people off the

517
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: dribble and knock down threes. He just he played so

518
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: well that the Lakers were financially incapable of retaining him.

519
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I actually think the Warrior are

520
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: the Kings deserve to be slight favorites right now. They've

521
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: played well enough, and they have two games at home.

522
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: It's pretty simple that said, these games are going to

523
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: reach a fever pitch of intensity and drama and stakes,

524
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: and so I still lean. I still lean Warriors just

525
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: because they've There's look, if it's Game five and it's

526
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: one hundred to one hundred with three minutes left, there's

527
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: no doubt that the Warriors will be more comfortable in

528
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: that situation, simply because they've fight in those situations before,

529
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: the same goes for a game seven again, the Kings

530
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: should I bet you they were positive in the locker room.

531
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: I bet you they feel good in their film session.

532
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: They should feel confident. But I think these games are

533
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: going to get even more sweaty palms, even more high drama,

534
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: and I just trust the Warriors a little bit more.

535
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: What was your take on that Lakers blowout of the

536
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: Grizzlies yesterday? Do you think it's Do you think the

537
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: real matchup is more like the first quarter or more

538
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: like the last three quarters?

539
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: Well, I think the Lakers. I think we both chose

540
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: the Lakers. I think they're better. I always felt there

541
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: was two things that were true about Memphis. They were

542
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: they're deep, and they're inexperienced. And I'm not saying depth

543
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: and experience are everything, but it's they feel like they

544
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: need another score. To me, you know, jaw was sensational,

545
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: but I just feel like they need another dependable score.

546
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you really don't want somebody scoring forty five

547
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: points in a playoff game, don't. I mean that's just

548
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's in awe of Ja Moran. It's like,

549
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: you know, you can go back to the Kobe stats,

550
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: like the Lakers were awful when he scored over thirty

551
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: five points, right, and so you know, Jos starts playing well,

552
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: he plays downhill and it's fun, it's magical. But I

553
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: just I never I mean, listen, they were a two seed,

554
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: the Lakers were seven, and I felt was you know,

555
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: I sit on the air, I said, if I say

556
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: it on the air, I believe it. I'm like, I

557
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: think the Lakers are gonna win this series. They were

558
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: a forty three win team. Right. When's the last time

559
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: a forty three wins seven seed? You take him over

560
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: a two seed?

561
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: A film, and.

562
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: Memphis is one of the Yeah, and Memphis is one

563
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: of the best home teams in the league. So I

564
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: just don't. I don't feel and we're seeing it with Cleveland,

565
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: by the way, you know, you really young have some depth,

566
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: but Garland and Mitchell, I mean, the Knicks aren't even

567
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: getting a good series from Julius Randall. He's not playing well.

568
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: And so I just don't feel like I think Sacramento,

569
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: regardless of I think Sacramento is really close to being

570
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: a championship team, like a player away. I don't. With Memphis,

571
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: I don't always love I feel they're a little less

572
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: mature than Sacramento, a little chippier, a little less self awareness.

573
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: Their stars had some problems. The King Star is like

574
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: Steph mature. So it's not that I don't buying a Memphis,

575
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: but I really never bought into them as a championship team.

576
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: I really don't. In fact, if you told me the

577
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: two really young teams in the NBA, I like, I

578
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: would say, it's Sacramento in Cleveland. Cleveland's been disappointing. Like

579
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: these playoffs, basically, Jason, nothing surprised us except Cleveland. I mean,

580
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: that's the only series where if you'd have told anybody, yeah,

581
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: Julius Randall, good game one, doesn't do anything and they

582
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: lead three to one, that would be a surprise. I

583
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: think almost everything we're seeing, including the Lakers Grizzlies, we

584
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: all kind of expected. We trusted Lebron in a d

585
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 2: over the last three weeks. They just won a lot

586
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: of close games, and they won a lot of games

587
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: against for the same reason they're winning this one.

588
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I one hundred percent agree. I like the

589
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: I actually did pick the Knicks to win that series,

590
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel super confident about it, and like

591
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: that particular series, to me, is just a great example

592
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: of versatility. In the playoffs, the Cavs can only run

593
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: pick and roll. They can't do anything else. That's they

594
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: have to run their pick and roll offense and if

595
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, they fall apart. The Knicks have the

596
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: ability to attack in a bunch of different ways. As

597
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they've run more than twice as

598
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: many ISOs as as Cleveland has. And the problem is

599
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: is a lot of times in the playoffs it becomes

600
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: matchup hunting and Julius Randall and Jalen even though Julius

601
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: Randall hasn't played well, Jalen Brunson and Julius Randall feel

602
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: way more comfortable attacking mispatches in different spots on the floor,

603
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: which allows them to kind of play different styles as

604
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: the game shifts. But you're right, it's been pretty. It's

605
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: been pretty kind of like chalk, I guess you could

606
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: say down the line, except for that Milwaukee Bucks Miami

607
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: Heat series, which is entirely based on Giannis. And I

608
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: don't even unless Yannis doesn't play in game four, I

609
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: just don't. I just am not paying. The Miami Heat

610
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: are tiny. They're tiny and Milwaukee's gonna win Game five.

611
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: In Game seven, They're gonna probably win Game four to

612
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: and win this Yeries. Like I just I'm not worried

613
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: about that unless Yannis is in some sort of serious

614
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: injury situation. I'm glad you said that about Memphis because

615
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: I actually agree. I don't think they're close either. A

616
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: couple things. The only position I think that they have really,

617
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: the only spots that I feel really good about, like

618
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: really good about, are Jared Jackson in jaw. Desmond Baine

619
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: has been bad in almost every playoff game that he's played,

620
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: especially over the last couple of years. He struggles mightily

621
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: to create his own shot off the dribble, and guys

622
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: are good at chasing him over those screens to lessen

623
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: the quality of the shots, and he can't make it.

624
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: Like like Austin Reeves has soundly outplayed him in this series.

625
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. The Grizzlies have severe limitations

626
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: in shot creation and off ball offensive skill. I was

627
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: talking with the Buddy yesterday about this, Like what scares

628
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: me for the Lakers is they can get lazy, and

629
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: you saw that, Like I tweeted right after the first

630
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: quarter yesterday, I'm like, just get ready for them to

631
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: do the bare minimum to try to win this game,

632
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, like the whole game. The whole game, it

633
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they got back to eleven, I guess

634
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: we should start trying again. They get it up to sixteen, seventeen,

635
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: and then they'd have three bad possessions in a row

636
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: and to be a ten, and we're like, all right,

637
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: call time out. All right, let's go get control of

638
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: this game again. Like I I think the Lakers are

639
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 1: so much better than the Grizzlies. I think that people are.

640
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: But to your point about the arrogance, the way Joe

641
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: was acting in that fourth quarter, like oh, I've got

642
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: these guys Like I'm like, they're not even playing anymore.

643
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: They're jogging back in transition. They're barely guarding you. In

644
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: the first quarter, you couldn't even get a clean look.

645
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: He shot two for ten on two point shots before

646
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Like they they have figured out the

647
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: job pick and roll because Jared Vanderbilt Anthony Davis have

648
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: taken away his floater and they've shut off the rim

649
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: on him. They've they've they've kind of figured that out. Memphis,

650
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: to me, so has so far to go. But with

651
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: the Lakers in their lapses in execution and effort, what

652
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: freaks me out for them? There is Sacramento in Golden

653
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: State because Memphis is a young athletic team that loves

654
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: to play fast, but they're unskilled, like remarkably unskilled compared

655
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: to other NBA teams. Yep, Sacramento and Golden State love

656
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: to play fast and they are super skilled, like at

657
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: every position. So like they will those teams if they

658
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: have those same brief lapses in judgment and effort in execution,

659
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: the Lakers will get run off the floor by the

660
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: Warriors and Kings. So like it's good, it's weird. I

661
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: feel so confident that the Lakers are going to beat

662
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: the Grizzlies, but I am so hesitant to pick them

663
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: as a team that can make a real run because

664
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: they just have that. It is part of their identity.

665
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: As soon as they start to feel even remotely comfortable,

666
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: Lebron and Anthony Davis go, how can I start conserving

667
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: energy and it's gonna be something that gets them beat?

668
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I mean I I also think that

669
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: the question we asked about Memphis all year, because Jaw's

670
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: not a great shooter. He's a great athlete, he's got

671
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: the floater, he finishes at the rim. If you take

672
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: the rim away, you take a chunk of his field goal.

673
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's the Westbrook. He's a he's a

674
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: better shooter than Westbrook. But if you took the rim

675
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: away from Russell Westbrook, he can have really bad nights

676
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: and it gets into his head really fast. Even great shooters.

677
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: I mean, lebron for a big chunk of his career

678
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: like didn't like bigs around the basket because if he

679
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: lost confidence in his three, he could always beat guys

680
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: off the dribble score and get back into it. And

681
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: so Lebrono was like like his Bosh and his Kevin loves.

682
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: You know, stay clear, I didin'k at this point in

683
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 2: his career, he shoots threes, makes him misses them, nothing's

684
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: in his head. He's kind of graduated last couple of years.

685
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: But Jaw's not a great natural shooter. So if he's

686
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 2: not hitting the three and the rims closed off, you're

687
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: not beating people on floaters and mid range jumpers. And

688
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: so I think when I look at this team all

689
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: year my takeaway was, well, if you shut jaw down

690
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: a little bit and make him shoot forty one percent.

691
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: Who's the second dependable score? There isn't one, and they

692
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: just don't have one. I mean it's Malik Monk's having

693
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: a better series than I thought he would have. But

694
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: when I say the Kings need another score, they don't

695
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: need another great score. They need about a sixteen point

696
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: a game score. I mean you could put it like

697
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: a I don't know if he'd fit, but like a

698
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: Dennis Shredder, just another you know, somebody that's a better shooter,

699
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 2: but kind of a sixteen point a game kind of player. Think.

700
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: I think the Grizzlies need another star, you know, like

701
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: like an Anthony Davis to be a title team. I

702
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: don't think they're particularly close. I don't think they're terribly mature.

703
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: As you said about Brooks, self awareness is not a strength.

704
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: They're just deep. They're deep and energetic. There's a ton

705
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: of energy. Yeah, and that's what they are. Deep physical teams.

706
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: I mean, the reason the Pistons won championships is Isaiah

707
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: is one of the most underrated stars of our lifetime.

708
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: Lambert could hit outside shots. I mean that team had

709
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: streaky shooters. You're Vinnie Johnson's you know, that was the

710
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: bad Boys team. I don't think Memphis is close to

711
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: his gift. But is that team offensively? And this is

712
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: the offensive era? That was a defensive era. So I

713
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: just I think I think they're a star away. I

714
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: don't think they're a player away. You could give me,

715
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: you could give me a good shooter off the bench

716
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: for Sacramento, and I'd be like, all right, if you

717
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: told me they want two championships in four years, I'd

718
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I see it. I don't think Memphis

719
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: is close to that. I really don't.

720
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean, like the reality is is when

721
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: like John Morant, when they shut off the rim, literally

722
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: nobody else feels comfortable creating a shot other than Jared Jackson,

723
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: who's had a decent series barreling his way to the

724
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: rim and just running through guys. But we talked about

725
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: this after Game two. But how like you can manufacture

726
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: wins in the NBA if you have rim protection and

727
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: just play hard. You know, we talked about that a

728
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: lot in that particular show, Memphis at Memphis Exactly. Memphis

729
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: wins a shit ton of regular season games. Why because

730
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: they're huge. It's like Brandon Clark, Aaron Jackson, Steven Adams,

731
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: just relentless offensive or relentless offensive rebounding, and just defensive

732
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: physicality on the perimeter. They play super hard and physical.

733
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: And then John Morant against regular season coverages when teams

734
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: are like, oh, it's a Tuesday, we got Memphis tonight,

735
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: let's just run our base drop coverage and we'll just

736
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: see how it goes, you know, whereas in the playoffs

737
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: they scheme so much harder towards you know, helping off

738
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: of Dylan Brooks and ducking underpicks so that John can't

739
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: get ahead of steam and little things like that, and

740
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: like that. That's just the reality is, like you need

741
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: to have an extra gear you can get to in

742
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: the postseason. And it's almost the opposite for Memphis because

743
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: Desmond Baine goes down a level. Dylan Brooks actually tries

744
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: to shoot more when he can't make them. John Morant, Yeah,

745
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: he made all the threes when they were down twenty

746
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: and there was absolutely no pressure to make or miss.

747
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: But it's a little different when it's like you're down

748
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: twenty seven to thirteen in the early second quarter and

749
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: they're daring you to shoot and you don't have that,

750
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: and like it's a totally different game when the pressure rises,

751
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: in the stakes rise, That's why those pull up jump

752
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: shots stop falling in those environments. So yeah, I agree,

753
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: I think I think Memphis, I mean, it's been coming

754
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: for a while with how confident they've been, but I agree.

755
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: I think I think the move is they need another

756
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: legitimate shot creator, a guy who can put the ball

757
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: on the floor and consistently generate offense against the set defense,

758
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: exactly what they hoped Desmond Bane would be, which you

759
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: can't be unfortunately.

760
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, I think we're seeing in these playoffs,

761
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: you know, cross your fingers on Giannis and Embad's health.

762
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: There's one real upset, and that's been the Knicks, who

763
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: plays so well at home with that crowd. I mean,

764
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, like the Chase Center gives the Warriors

765
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: like four to five points. I mean, it just does,

766
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: like I feel like Madison Square Garden gives the Knicks

767
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: like four to five points. Especially an effort team. They're

768
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: not a terribly skilled team, they're long, they're aggressive, effort teams.

769
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: They just play with so much energy and they've got

770
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: you know, they've got a lot of like young guys

771
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: on that team.

772
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: So.

773
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: The Necks are going to be I'm surprised they're beating

774
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: the Calves, but that's about the only I mean, once

775
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: you go to seven games in the first round, you

776
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: play your way out of upsets. I mean, if the

777
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: next beat the Calves, then they are the better team. Clearly.

778
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: They're also you know, they've had rebound advantages. As I

779
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: watched that game, I think to myself, why was I

780
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: so badly fooled on Cleveland? Like I said all year,

781
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: I thought, man, they match up. I saw them play

782
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: Boston twice. I saw two times they played them. I

783
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: thought they matched up great. They're twitchy, they're good on

784
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: the wings, they got good looks. I'm like, man, they

785
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 2: match up with Boston really well, and they may get

786
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: beat in five games by the neck. So I'm like,

787
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: why was I so badly fooled on it? Like Garland

788
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: hasn't delivered. I don't know the answer, But to your point,

789
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: some teams you get away with stuff in the regular

790
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: season and then you just hit a complete ceiling. And

791
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: maybe Cleveland's that team. But I have been fooled by

792
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: the Calves because Julius Randall outside of Game one. I mean,

793
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: what do you give him today eleven? I mean, just

794
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: I don't even know if he scored that money. He's

795
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: just not He hasn't been effected.

796
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: To rhythm off the angle, for sure, off the ankle.

797
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: The Calves are the perfect example of that regular season

798
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: ceiling team like tons of improtection, spam, pick and roll, like,

799
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: and you play hard and you have a great home crowd, Like,

800
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: if you do that, you can win forty plus games

801
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: in the NBA. But like, the main reason why I

802
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: was never a big believer in Cleveland is they were

803
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: literally one of the worst spot up shooting teams in

804
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: the league. Like, they're off ball guys like that three spot,

805
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: whether it was Evan Mobley standing in the corner, if

806
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: it's Isaacacorro, or if it's you know, Lamar ste or

807
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: if it's you know, Chatty Osmon or whoever it is,

808
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: whoever that guy is has been a disaster, like all

809
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: season long, And so it becomes can Darius Garland and

810
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell make a ton of extremely difficult pull up

811
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: jump shots and they just have it. The Knicks have

812
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: completely shut down their pick and roll offense, they have

813
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: not had a counter that they can go to. Meanwhile,

814
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: the Knicks can play a bunch of different ways, and

815
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: they have a ton of skill off the ball. Josh

816
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: Hart very skilled, a manual quickly, very skilled. Quintin Grimes

817
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: very skilled. So they have when they're when you send

818
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: extra bodies to Jalen Brunson and to Julius Randall, he's kicked.

819
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: They're kicking to just better players. They're they're kicking the

820
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: better players, and it is a team sport at the

821
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: end of the day. Last thing I'll say about the Knicks,

822
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: like Jaleny they took a bet on Jalen Brunson, such

823
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: a big bet that they got cheap with Donovan Mitchell

824
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: let him go, which if you ask them, they'll say,

825
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: we like Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunston is like a legit

826
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: star player in this league. I have a hard time

827
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: thinking of a comu in recent NBA history because there's

828
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: not many players who play like him. But he's flat,

829
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: he's a he's a like. He's an assassin like competitor

830
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: who targets your worst fence. He's been just going at

831
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: Cheddy Osmond every time he gets a chance in this series.

832
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Super comfortable working from every spot on the floor, like

833
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: the Nick's got a good one in Jalen Brunson. And honestly, Colin.

834
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: Also has leadership skills. You know, classic Villanova guy, stayed

835
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: in school multiple years, was coached hard, had to play defense.

836
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: You know, Villanova doesn't recruitly recruit you if you won't

837
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: play defense. So like he comes in, Villanova doesn't always

838
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: have the most skilled players, all grown ups, no squorely guys,

839
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: just like they're all Michale Bridges. Right, he's your classic

840
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: Villanova guy. Ceilings a little lower, although it's not that low,

841
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: but you're getting an adult, you get it. You got

842
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: really high functional basketball intelligence. Uh sets up plays if

843
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: you watch jay and over the course of a season,

844
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: and I don't you know, I watch a lot of

845
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: Sixer Celtic games because I get on the treadmill at

846
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: four thirty Pacific and that's my time to watch it.

847
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: And so I watch a first half of a lot

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Speaker 2: of NBA games, and I saw so many Sixers Celtic games.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things you know with Brunson is

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Speaker 2: there's a very legitimate argument that in terms of most

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Speaker 2: valuable Player, which he won't win because these bigs have

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Speaker 2: rebounds and blocks and stats. He's as valuable as any

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Speaker 2: player in the league to a team like he is.

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Speaker 2: You take him out of the Knicks, it's not even

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Speaker 2: the same team. They don't move as well, they don't

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Speaker 2: shoot as well. There are so many good guards, so

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Speaker 2: many good guards, and most of the ones we love.

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Speaker 2: The Foxes, the Staffs, the Jalen Brunson's man, they're they're

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Speaker 2: very quarterback heal, like they really under they're really adults.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's they all kind of know when to

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Speaker 2: turn it on, when to pull it back. I mean

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Speaker 2: stepf will hoist up a couple of shots and you

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Speaker 2: kind of just roll your eyes at it. But when

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Speaker 2: I when I watched Brunson, he's in such control. He's oh,

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Speaker 2: and I think a lot of that Jason. It's the

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Speaker 2: Villanova in him. You know, Villanova is going to make

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Speaker 2: you play defense. They're not gonna let you be squirrely.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of ISO stuff at Villanova, and you

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Speaker 2: can see it in him. He's just totally and he

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Speaker 2: led that Villanova program right like it's such a structured,

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Speaker 2: you know, transfer portal world. You know in a one

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Speaker 2: and done world, Villanova is like this bedrock of stability

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Speaker 2: and old school college basketball, and you can see it

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Speaker 2: the way he plays like New York doesn't phase him yet,

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Speaker 2: not all. But he is the point He's like Walt Fraser.

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Speaker 2: He's the point guard of the Knicks. He was built

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Speaker 2: to be the point guard of the next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they churn out adult basketball players. I actually said

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Speaker 1: in my series preview that I thought that Jalen Brunson

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Speaker 1: had a chance to outplay Donovan Mitchell in large part

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Speaker 1: on execution, because Donovan Mitchell just has just a tiny

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Speaker 1: bit of that Westbrook like, Oh, I'll just shoot five

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Speaker 1: possessions in a row, you know what I mean. Jaylen

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Speaker 1: Brunson is so much more methodical in his approach and

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Speaker 1: as much more making reads. As a basketball fan, I

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Speaker 1: have thoroughly enjoyed his rise. I actually do think if

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Speaker 1: Julius Ryndall can figure things out, that they'll give the

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Speaker 1: Bucks or the Heat a good fight in round two

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Speaker 1: as well. The Knicks are on the way up. It's

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Speaker 1: very exciting.

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