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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this spin off episode

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Speaker 1: of dirt aiy zaigeist icon, which we're calling the iconograph.

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Speaker 1: Instead of looking at the zeike geyst through current events

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Speaker 1: on Monday mornings, we're looking at the zeitgeist through the

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Speaker 1: powerful pop culture horcrouxes is that are our icons. To

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Speaker 1: use these icons to create meaning, eating, to build identity,

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Speaker 1: to learn whether or not to have a cow.

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Speaker 2: This is the part I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, to learn whether or not to get bent, yes do,

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Speaker 1: and to learn that there's nothing in this world you

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Speaker 1: can't do if you are yellow with a unique silhouette.

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Speaker 1: See SpongeBob, the Minions, tweety Bird, pikachuw and our icon

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Speaker 1: this week. That's right, it's a Bard episode. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about Bartholomew Jojo Simpson born in nineteen eighty seven at

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Speaker 1: age nine and never got a day older, making him

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Speaker 1: the envy of people with Peter Pan syndrome. By the way,

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Speaker 1: everywhere Michael Jackson would go on to ghost write the

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Speaker 1: song do the Bart Man and use him in the

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Speaker 1: Black or White video, But yeah, never never aged perpetually

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Speaker 1: nine years old.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Bart Simpson is in the Black or White video.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he or at least he introduced the video on

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Speaker 1: Fun Talks, okay, and then he introduced it, which then

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Speaker 1: goes into McAuley Culkin doing an introduction to the video.

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Speaker 1: It's like double layers of Bart Simpson because I do

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Speaker 1: have a theory that McAuley Culkin is essentially live action

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Speaker 1: Bart Simpson like that. It was part of the same

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Speaker 1: Rascal Rascal mania. It was fucking Rascal Mania in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,

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Speaker 1: mister Miles Gras.

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Speaker 2: Everybody throw your four fingers in the air like you

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Speaker 2: a Matt Groening character.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Oh man, yes, unless you're on the cover

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Speaker 1: of one of the video games that was released in

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Speaker 1: Japan where they give him a fifth finger for Yakuza?

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Speaker 1: Was it Yukuza based?

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Speaker 2: I always actually one of the rumors, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because you you know, that's like a are you down

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Speaker 2: test for the Yukas. I was like, then lop off

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Speaker 2: a finger, show that you're so ashamed for your mistake.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, what happened to every canonically, that happened to

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Speaker 1: every single character in the world of the sentience, Miles,

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Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by a comedian, actress, musician, writer, writer on the new

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Speaker 1: Netflix show Strip Law, which looks very funny. Author behind

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Speaker 1: poems I wrote while taking a ship and cry for

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Speaker 1: me Argentina, my life is a failed child star. Please

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, The Hilarious, the Talented Tomorrow You're.

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Speaker 3: To short.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by Bart Simon himself. We've never we've never

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Speaker 1: done an Icon episode where the icon was in the

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Speaker 1: recording with us.

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Speaker 2: People who don't know, and damn just plugged her and

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Speaker 2: pinched her nose to do it and normally all over the.

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Speaker 4: Computer while trying to do something because in my mind

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Speaker 4: I was going to sound just like Bart Simpson, but

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Speaker 4: I sounded like one of Santa's elves when I did that.

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Speaker 1: In persons Bart, we are first of all, we're entering

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Speaker 1: new territory because up to this point we have had

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Speaker 1: a recurring question on these Icon episodes, which is, if

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Speaker 1: they were real and alive today, would they appear on

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Speaker 1: the Epstein List? Would they be in the Epstein Files?

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Speaker 1: This is our first icon who does appear in the

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Speaker 1: Epstein Files. Bart Simpson is in there. As we'll get

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Speaker 1: to Bart Simpson.

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Speaker 5: Shit.

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Speaker 1: Bart the Simpson is in there, as is his creator,

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Speaker 1: Matt Groening. But Bart himself shows up in there on

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Speaker 1: the flight logs uh no, and but like registered in

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Speaker 1: having to do with the Matt Groening story, we suspect actually,

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Speaker 1: I'll just get to it right now. Let's just get

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Speaker 1: to it right now. I'm not going to do the

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Speaker 1: local news thing and just keep more at eleven guys.

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Speaker 1: But basically this doesn't even Matt Groening was on the

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Speaker 1: Lolita Express had his feet massaged by Virginia Juice Free.

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Speaker 1: She's on the record being like his toes are nasty.

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Speaker 1: Also is on the record saying that he in thanks

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Speaker 1: for giving him world's nastiest foot. Rub drew her a

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Speaker 1: picture of Bart Simpson and Homer Simpson her two favorite characters.

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Speaker 1: And there are two. It is very cool. But they

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Speaker 1: are you know, filed as evidence in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: So he's like, thank you, Like are part of the

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Speaker 2: Was he accused of, like any anything aside from having

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Speaker 1: Uh? Not that we know of, Miles.

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Speaker 1: From like the child victims. There's a lot of wild

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Speaker 1: But it is a question that that we do ask

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, but let's put it in a vacuum.

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Speaker 2: Would Bart the character of the end in the University.

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Speaker 1: Of Slash forward to the future of Bart Simpson in

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Speaker 1: The Simpsons. He's usually not doing great. No, he's not.

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Speaker 2: He's not doing well enough to be hanging well to

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Speaker 2: be hanging with oligarchs, except for the episode where Lisa

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Speaker 2: was president, right, in which case he's a deadbeat who

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Speaker 1: He is probably going to give you. He's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: at least be approached. But my overall thought on Bart

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you guys, I'm gonna argue that he

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Speaker 3: gives Steve Bannon a little bit. Bart gives Steve Bannon

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Speaker 3: old Bart, older Bart.

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Speaker 2: Older Bart.

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Speaker 1: Visually, Yes, they are giving Steve Bannon in a way

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Speaker 1: that seems almost pointed manon this is you the fuck?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, in a vacuum, tough to say, but he

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Speaker 1: would be I don't know. We've done a lot of hypothetical,

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Speaker 1: you know, fictional characters. I'd probably put him somewhere between

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Speaker 1: Einstein and Miss Piggy, you know, on the likelihood to

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Speaker 1: Sherlock would definitely have been on there. We didn't get

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Speaker 1: to that in the episode, but Sherlock Holmes definitely just

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Speaker 1: based on he was so fond of himself, so sure

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Speaker 1: of his own bullshit logic. He definitely would have been

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Speaker 1: like hang, he.

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Speaker 2: Had like a special like microdose cocaine injection formula.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy high on drugs.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a seventy five percent of Bart.

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Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that's high. I mean he's in there, like

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Speaker 1: based on somebody who was on the fucking plane getting

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Speaker 1: just going back over the rise and not really fall

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Speaker 1: of Bart Simpson. The character. He's kind of a cross

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Speaker 1: between like a timeless icon who like never goes away,

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Speaker 1: does disappear like Arkle, Like I couldn't because he Bart

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Speaker 1: Simpson was a craze for like the three years of

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Speaker 1: The Simpsons. He was a merchandise and craze. He was everywhere.

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Speaker 1: He's on the cover of magazines like of Time Magazine,

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stone. It was just like it The Simpsons was

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Speaker 1: that show with Bart Simpson on. It was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the The Way Family Matters was the rkle Show. The

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Speaker 1: Simpsons was the Bart Show. And then it like, I

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Speaker 1: can't think of a similar cultural phenomenon where you have

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Speaker 1: someone who's like a breakout zeitgeist defining overnight sensation that

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Speaker 4: And when the fact of like Bart himself kind of

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Speaker 3: I feel like Bootleg Bart Bart took over too.

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Speaker 1: Oh Bootleg Bart was I mean Bootleg Bart was everywhere

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Speaker 2: Everywhere one of my favorite Instagram accounts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but just his overall trajectory of the first

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Speaker 1: a corollary. It'd be like if Beatlemania kicked off with

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Speaker 1: I Bart is not the Ringo of the Simpsons necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but like, yeah, he's not like the driving force behind

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Speaker 3: I would no, I mean that I was thinking about that.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, Homer is to Mes perhaps, or at least

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Speaker 4: he was the favorite to write because he's the funniest, he's.

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Speaker 1: Got the bighest jokes, He's got my favorite like indelible moments.

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Speaker 1: Bart even like my favorite Bart moments are like kind

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Speaker 1: of tangentially Bart, Like they're not driven like the Barton

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Speaker 1: Fink thing. Do you know the Barton Fink joke where

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Speaker 4: But like Bart leading Homer to do funny shit, Like

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Speaker 4: I just watched the Indiana Jones part where he like

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Speaker 4: it's like Homer chasing Bart through this like Indiana Jones

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Speaker 4: type situation, and like it's it's Homer that I'm always laughing. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think because like Bart is Matt graining right, like

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Speaker 3: That's him. Mh is why I think of him as

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Speaker 1: Right, So let's get let's get into the invention of

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Speaker 1: Bart the rocket ship, rise to fame, and then eventual

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Speaker 1: being supplanted by the dad who always abused him. Everyone's like, actually,

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Speaker 1: we like the guys always beating the shit out of you, Joe,

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Speaker 1: super problematic way Yeah, but yeah, you're right. Bart is

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Speaker 1: based on Matt Graining. He came up with the iconic

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Speaker 1: James L. Brooks, you know, famous movie producer. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I was young. But like, I mean, he made

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Speaker 1: going in. Matt Graeney was going in to pitch a

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Speaker 1: he's sitting in the lobby and he realizes he didn't

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Speaker 1: he draws in the lobby a cartoon family and is like, uh,

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Speaker 1: what are my parents' names and what are my sister's names? Homer, Margaret, Lisa,

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Speaker 1: and Maggie. Those are those are that's his family?

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Speaker 2: I no idea, Holy shit, because he wanted to keep

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Speaker 2: them the stupid bunny carrecs.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to keep the life in hell bunny rights.

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Speaker 1: The only he did he was like, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: that I'm fucking phoning this in. So so he changed it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He did bart as an anagram for Brett. He was like,

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Speaker 1: this kid's gonna be a little asshole. That's the one

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Speaker 3: So the rest of the family is the same names,

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Speaker 3: same names. Yes, my my husband's science teacher in elementary

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Speaker 1: Whoa actually yea Lisa when she was a science teacher.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't the president.

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Speaker 3: it was science rights.

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Speaker 1: Rad And I think she's she's.

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Speaker 3: but that's nuts, good.

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Speaker 3: Of it all, Yeah, I think a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: been on riddle In Like that's you know, that's how

434
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: people were dealing with that at the time. But definitely

435
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: neurodivergent in terms of coming up with Bart's design, Grain

436
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: And claimed that he made Bart like Mickey Mouse in

437
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: the sense that he would always be recognizable in silhouette,

438
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: which seems to have worked out pretty well for him.

439
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: He also credits the character Jimbo, which is a character

440
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: created by his old underground comics collaborator, Gary Panter, which

441
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: is this guy with like spiky hair, Jimbo is but

442
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: Gary Panter designed Pee Wee's Playhouse. So it's like just

443
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: these like cool sort of influences going back and forth

444
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: between these like visual artists geniuses. Grinning and Panther collaborated

445
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: on comics for punk zines undernames including The fuck Boys

446
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: the UK Boys, which I kind of appreci.

447
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: Wow, dude, that's okay, revolutionary number one fuck boy. To wait,

448
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: you're saying Jimbo the guy like the beanie wearing Jimbo

449
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: is the no here, let me pick a Jimbo. Is

450
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: that from like a pre one?

451
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: Right?

452
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: Or no? Jimbo, Like where's the beanie? He's like one

453
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: of like you know he hangs out with Nelson.

454
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: That's Jimbo. Oh yeah, he was always kind of hot

455
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: to me.

456
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: I just put his picture in the sidebar. That's what

457
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: he looks like.

458
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: What is that from?

459
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: That's from I don't know, but that's he said that.

460
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: That's like a version an image of a character named Jimbo,

461
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: who he said, influence the look of Bart Simpson.

462
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 3: Oh there's actually a Jimbo on this.

463
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: I see you or yeah yeah, yeah, we're still invention

464
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: saying this character Jimbo from a totally different that Gary

465
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: Pants created look like, gave him the idea of like

466
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: hair kind of going through the top of a flat head. Essentially,

467
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: they were they were homies, Yeah, there were. They were

468
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: the ferry boys.

469
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Gary, Gary Panter better be getting that boy, yeah, because

470
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: this is I would be like, yo, brot.

471
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: Gary Panter is like he said that, I think he's

472
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: being kind When people were like he said, you gave

473
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: him like design ideas for Bart, He's like, oh, I

474
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: couldn't be me, Like Gary, come on, man, there get

475
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: your check. Man. I hope you at least got paid

476
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: well for designing Pee Wee's playhouse. Yeah. Right, But I

477
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: also want to do a little color theory the yellow

478
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: First of all, there's this old character called the Yellow

479
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: Kid that I was not aware of. Do you know

480
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: the Yellow Kid? So he's in this bald child, presumably

481
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: an alcoholic because he's always he's always hammered in every picture,

482
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: but he is like Bart Simpson's age, no hair, always

483
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: wearing an oversized yellow night shirt. It looks terrible, looks

484
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: like he's dying. It's so early in the comics game.

485
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: His words are written on his shirt, So the words

486
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: he says are written on his shirt because they hadn't

487
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: really figured out word bubbles yet. But he is a

488
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: youthful anti establishment symbol packaged by the establishment itself for

489
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: mass consumption. The two papers he appeared in were the

490
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: bullshit factories that most specialized in sensationalism, and so they

491
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: were called the yellow Kid papers. That style of journalism

492
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: was originally called yellow kid journalism, and then that was

493
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: shortened to yellow journalism. So this character is where we

494
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: get the phrase yellow journalism from Wow. But he is

495
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: the first in this line of characters who are yellow,

496
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: and like people are just like cartoon characters that are yellow.

497
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: You've got the Simpsons, SpongeBob, Tweetybird, Pikachu, Flounder, Winnie the Pooh,

498
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: the fucking Minions.

499
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: Oh wow, holy shit. I never realized this. This is amazing.

500
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: Some people have pointed out it's just it makes sense

501
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: because it's the most visible color to the human eye.

502
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: It's you know, that's why taxis are yellow is because

503
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: like that there's something with it. So it says yellow

504
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: is the most visible color in the entire visual spectrum

505
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: because of how the cones in our eyes process light

506
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: and the the order in which the signal for red, green,

507
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: and blue light reach our brain. This is why taxis

508
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: and warning signs are yellow. Additionally, yellow also works well

509
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: for psychological reasons. Yellow is a warm color that most

510
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: often conveys joy and optimism. But then there's also something

511
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: about how it shows up on TV that makes it

512
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: work because like you know, our the normal visual color

513
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: spectrum is red, blue, yellow are the primary colors, but

514
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: with TV it's I think red, green and blue and

515
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: so yellow. Yeah, yellow becomes a complimentary color and it

516
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: like just looks extra good on TV for whatever reason.

517
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Damn. So that's that's something by just instinctively people that

518
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: I'd be so funny if mag graining is like, yeah,

519
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: I know how the shit's hitting your brain?

520
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I yeah, I think I think it's just

521
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: the minions thing is really like that's great because the

522
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: minions are just.

523
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: Like ideas like yellow. McDonald's is yellow.

524
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: Got a Sali loose shirt? Hell loose shirt looks like

525
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: he's based on the Yellow Kid, doesn't he.

526
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure, The Yellow Kid looks like like if

527
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: you see if you saw the Yellow Kid in real life,

528
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm calling CPS.

529
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that was the idea. He was like

530
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: in a he was a kid who lived in a

531
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: housing complex and was like very poor, and there are

532
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: always showing him with like a drink in his hand,

533
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: being like, here's to me, this child is an alcoholic.

534
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny?

535
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: You're about to be a ward of the State.

536
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: If I woke up in the middle of the night

537
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: and the Yellow Kid was sitting at the end at

538
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: the edge of my bed, I will slab it.

539
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: It's so close to the Yellow King, which is like

540
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember True Detective season one,

541
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: but that was like the creepy thing that they kept

542
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: referencing was like the Yellow King. And there's a lot

543
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: of stuff in like, uh, the old reference Yellow King,

544
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: like that's the thing that people call Satan and stuff,

545
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: which I'm just saying, this kid does not look that

546
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: far from that.

547
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: I have this little statue of Bart Simpson. I'm holding

548
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: it up and.

549
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: He's shitting, So that's a turn and the turt is

550
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: yellow too, which I don't.

551
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

552
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: I don't like that.

553
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: I got it in Spain.

554
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my favorite because it's like it's iconic,

555
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: like the little the Little Shitting Kid is like a

556
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: big Spanish iconography.

557
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I have one of Lionel Messi too.

558
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they make him.

559
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting. I wonder if Simpson shit is

560
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: canonically yellow.

561
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: It's not. There's no way.

562
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: It's definitely brown, like a Catalonian thing, which I think

563
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: is far like a Nativity scene originally, and then it's

564
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: just like a fun thing to buy Catalonia.

565
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: But the ship you mean, like like in the Simpsons cannon,

566
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: the ship is brown to me.

567
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Must be brown. Probably never seen it, right.

568
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: No, but we have seen Bart's dick.

569
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: We have seen Dick. We're going to get to that,

570
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: which we're gonna get weird, a weird echo of Like

571
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: my theory of why we were initially so obsessed is

572
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: that they were just like, what if we just did

573
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: some full frontal nudity. That way, we expanded the palette

574
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: of the Simpsons into the Simpsons movie in terms of development. Uh,

575
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Mike Reese has said that the writers were all Lisa's

576
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: who wanted to be Bart and so that's you know,

577
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: they were not cool kids, but like so they were

578
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: able to put their fantasies as being a bad kid

579
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: into Bart and that's why, like that character was so

580
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: fun for them to write about. Initially.

581
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: You might not know this, but I do wonder how

582
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: big the percentage of men was in that writer's room.

583
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: It was large. It was large. It was exclusively men.

584
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: So there there there's a big debate, like people being like, actually,

585
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: the real credit for the development of The Simpsons should

586
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: go to this guy Sam Simon, who is the head

587
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: writer in the first season and ran the writer's room.

588
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: And that episode The Flaming Mos where Homer gives Mo

589
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: an idea for a drink and then Mo just kind

590
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: of takes it and like cuts him out of it

591
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: is people say that that was like Sam Simon writing

592
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: about what happened with the origin of the show, but

593
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: he was going through a divorce during the early days

594
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: of the of The Simpsons.

595
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: Everything we Love is written by divorced men. Yeah, I

596
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: just this is like an underlying theory. I think I

597
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: have about so much stuff through a divorce writing it.

598
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: So, yes, he's going through a divorce during these first

599
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: seasons and the first episode of The Simpsons that airs

600
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: on TV is Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire that

601
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: is written by Mimi Pond, a woman who was a

602
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: freelancer and was never hired as a staff writer, allegedly

603
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: because Sam Simon didn't want any women around because he

604
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: was going through a divorce.

605
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: Just straight up, I have to respect that.

606
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the woman he was divorcing at that time, Jennifer,

607
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: that's the reason Jeffer Tilly's super rich. And she also

608
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: says that she's in the camp that she thinks Sam Simon,

609
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: who died pretty young of I think cancer, she thinks

610
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: that he had more to do with the development. And

611
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: she was like, we had this like thing where we

612
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: would imagine a kid because we never had kids, but

613
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: like we would imagine a kid running around, this imaginary

614
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: kid running around getting into Troy bubble. And that was

615
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: like Bart Simpson before he even like wrote him into

616
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: The Simpsons.

617
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out of Asian icon. Jennifer Tilly. By the way,

618
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: people don't know this is she really Asian? Yeah?

619
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, herms did not realize that Nancy Cartwright comes

620
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: in to read for Lisa. She's like, I'd actually rather

621
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: read for Bart, and she does, and no, literally nobody

622
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: else ever reads for it. They're just like, no, that's

623
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: that's Bart Simpson right there. And she's also the reason

624
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: we have to eat my shorts because that that was

625
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: an ad lib from her, who apparently it was like

626
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: a thing that they said in her high school marching band.

627
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny, like these are like seventies

628
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: slang that then are just like coming back as like

629
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: nineties slangs. The people are like, this is what the

630
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: kids are saying these days.

631
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: I was looking up how that phrase my shorts translates

632
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: to Spanish, and it it literally translates to multiply yourself

633
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 3: by zero. That's what I was hearing, which is basically

634
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: like Bart telling other kids to commit suicide.

635
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just to just keep.

636
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: It as eat my shorts. I don't understand why that

637
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: makes sense sense, freezing is that like?

638
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: Wait, so is that like the vibe you got from

639
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: Bart when you were a kid. He just Bart going

640
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: around being like, hey, kill yourself.

641
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it was too young to comprehend suicide.

642
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: But now looking back, I'm like, what, there was no

643
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: need to change the phrase eat my shorts could have

644
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: worked in Spanish?

645
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: Right is that a phrase?

646
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: Though?

647
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: Multiply yourself by z so somebody was like somebody, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, okay,

648
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: yeah weird.

649
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: That's dark.

650
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

651
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: So, don't have a cowman has been a phrase since

652
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: like the like first centuries, they used to British people

653
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: used to say don't have kittens as and don't give

654
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: birth the kittens. Karumba was first said by him on

655
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: the Tracy Ollman short the Art Museum. He's looking at

656
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: a nude portrait and kind of like a it's like

657
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: early character where it's like not quite his character. He's

658
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: like a little too horny. He's like he's looking at

659
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: the naked woman being like I krumba, which, by the way,

660
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: karamba is a euphemism for a carajo, which means penis,

661
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: so kind of makes sense. There's also this little piece

662
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: of like accepted wisdom that like some real Simpsons fans

663
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: will sometimes tell you where people will say and of

664
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: course he also says cowabunga and they'll say, ah, Bart

665
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: actually never says cowabunga. That's a that's an urban myth.

666
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: What you're doing is you're combining don't have a cow

667
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: and I karumba and making it cowabunga in your head.

668
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: He never said that shit is a thing that they

669
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: will say it's not fun and true. He said it

670
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: twice in the first two s.

671
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 5: And She.

672
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: The one of his most popular T shirts was him

673
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: surfing upside down on a wave saying Calibunga Man, which

674
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: was the one Bart Simpson T shirt I was allowed

675
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: to own. It was Calbuna Man. But it's it's such

676
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: a good story that like kind of have to say,

677
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: you have to just be like I want to go

678
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: with that.

679
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: Were you Were you not allowed? Like what's the deal

680
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: with you and The Simpsons? Were you not allowed to

681
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: watch it?

682
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: Or I was allowed to watch it? But I just

683
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember if it was a school

684
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: level thing or not, but I just remember that I

685
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to have the I'm Bart Simpson, who the

686
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: hell are you right?

687
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: Right right?

688
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Which was the only one that I really wanted because

689
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: it was like fucking cool.

690
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: For the first few months, I wasn't a I wasn't

691
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: allowed to watch The Simpsons because there was burping because

692
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: Barney burped and it's so funny to me because my

693
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: parents are sexual Devians who were talking about anal sex

694
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: at the table.

695
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: But we couldn't We couldn't watch it because there was

696
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: a burb.

697
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah you're talking about queves and ship but a burb.

698
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, like my dad describing the consistency of his diarrhea.

699
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: But we couldn't listen to a bird.

700
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: I was just looking on the Simpsons wiki, like the

701
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: different versions of each your shorts, so the the multiple,

702
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: the multipli yourself by zero. You were getting the European Spanish.

703
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 3: Version an apparently Spanish one.

704
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in the Latin American version. There were so

705
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: many ones. Uh did I say?

706
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: Was one's throw yourself into a ditch.

707
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's killing yourself. Yes, European Simpsons just kept telling

708
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: people to kill themselves In Japanese.

709
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: It was it was odd. It was still talking about

710
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: shorts or pants. It's uh, punts and the like. It's

711
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: saying just like, why don't you wear some pants? Which

712
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 2: is so odd?

713
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Hey, why do you wear some pants when you put

714
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: pants on? Bro?

715
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: Like?

716
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: What so confused? Brian the editor coming in asking a

717
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: good question. Do they air the Simpsons in Japan. I'm

718
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: just going to say, like I went abroad to Ireland

719
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: in college, and I would say the Simpsons was mostly

720
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: what was on that was like all there. Like it

721
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: was The Simpsons was on like twelve hours a day

722
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: in Ireland when I was over there, just like reruns

723
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: for days of the Simpsons. Like the Simpsons is so

724
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: fucking global. I think Brian was asking though about the

725
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: four finger thing, which yeah, I mean it was on

726
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: I willing to look the other way on that one.

727
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: It was on the cable channel like maybe two years

728
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: after it had come out, and I think maybe early

729
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: on they were editing it and then they're like, fuck, man,

730
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: we can't this is too much.

731
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we get into the Bartmania moral panic though, Tam,

732
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: the way that a little peek behind the Curtain for

733
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: list is the way that we go about kind of

734
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: finding guests for these episodes. As we send out a

735
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: list of icons that we're thinking about doing episodes on,

736
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: and we ask like, is there one that's interesting to

737
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: you or if not, like let us know, and you

738
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: be lined for Bart Simpsons. So I'm just curious to hear, Yeah,

739
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: what is your connection to Bart Simpsons?

740
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: Even over miss Piggy, who really I relate to a

741
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: lot more. You know, it's the nostalgia for me, and

742
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 4: it's also because I wanted to learn more, Like, yeah, okay,

743
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 4: I think I didn't want to come into this as

744
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 4: an expert, because I'll never be an expert on anything.

745
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 4: But I actually sat down to rewatch The Simpsons from

746
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 4: season one for this.

747
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: I know the best research, and that's what I wanted,

748
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: Simpson's research.

749
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm literally on season three, so slow. I started like

750
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: a month and a half ago.

751
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's still great.

752
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: It's still so much so bart So. The show launches

753
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: with an episode penned by a woman who will not

754
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: be hard to right in the writer's room.

755
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: Do we hear anything else about her? Like what came

756
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: just that?

757
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, sorry, I always like play this role

758
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: of kind of being a turd in the punch bowl

759
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: because everyone loves this show and I have to be like, yeah,

760
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: I wrote the first episode and I'm not allowed to

761
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: really take in any of that sucks. Sorry, I also

762
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: like the show. It's good, so yeah, shout out to

763
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 1: me me pool So bart Mania hits cover of Rolling

764
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Stone Time magazine again not to like tell these stories

765
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: that aren't true and like whiplash you, but there's this

766
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: one that I like. I think Matt Greening is like

767
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: profoundly full of shit in some ways, because there's a

768
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: story that he kept telling, like I ran across it

769
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: a couple times and everybody just completely buys it. But

770
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: here's the story. It's to illustrate man, Like this is

771
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: when he knew that The Simpsons had hit. In nineteen ninety,

772
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: Matt Groening arrived at his two bedroom cottage in Venice, California,

773
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: to discover the words home of Bart spray painted across

774
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: it in proud unmissible letters. Graening's first thought was, how

775
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: do they know I live here, which was followed quickly

776
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: by the realization they didn't. And that was an indication

777
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: of how popular his new show had become. That my

778
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: house could be targeted at random. What the fuck are

779
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: you talking about? Bro? This is this is every one

780
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: was just spray painting home of Bart.

781
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: They weren't you.

782
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: I was alive, then.

783
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: What the fuck are you talking about?

784
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 7: This is the precursor to the like Houston Loot Crew

785
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 7: or like this Black Rule graffiti.

786
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: We're like white people are like and I saw this graffiti,

787
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: and this.

788
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: Reminded me of three point eight weeks, myles, six point

789
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: eight weeks, Like what, they definitely knew you lived there,

790
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: you fucking.

791
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It was probably Mimi Ponds or whatever.

792
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: Yea me, but yeah, well again one of those anecdotes

793
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: like the Calabunga thing that like sounds cute because it

794
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: has a twist, and it's just like, that's not That's

795
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: not what happened, man, That's absolutely not true. Home of

796
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: Bart Dude. They were just spray paying that everywhere.

797
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: What what?

798
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: What?

799
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Mat?

800
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: I saw you out here at three a m. Last

801
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: night doing this?

802
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: No kind of a famous person.

803
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: Now, it wasn't me.

804
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: He paid someone.

805
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: Trying.

806
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like your trainer from the gym.

807
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: That's a sisty lamest Jesse Jesse Smut. He has his

808
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: Gold Gym shirt on it. That's Richard from Golds Gym Bro.

809
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: The show wasn't a massive ratings success at first the

810
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine ninety season. They were beaten by shows

811
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: like Chicken Soup and Dear John. Remember I don't remember either.

812
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 3: Of those, like I hadn't watch Chicken Soup.

813
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: But Simpson's Merch made seven hundred and fifty million dollars

814
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: by the end of nineteen ninety.

815
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: No fucks, seven hundred to seven million.

816
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: By the way, that's less than the Ninja Turtles and

817
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: new kids on the block. So they again, I mean

818
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: all shit I had too, I was I was barted out. Oh,

819
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: Bart and Ninja Turtles like all the shit I ever back.

820
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. The thing that happens them that is

821
00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: really beneficial is they keep being made an me Like,

822
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: they keep being kind of antagonized by increasingly uncool people,

823
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: so they like get to be the hero in this

824
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: like battle. So first it's like school principles are like

825
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: underachiever and proud of it. What are you talking about?

826
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: We should model good behavior and high standards. And this

827
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: becomes a big news story. J C. Pennies is like,

828
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: we will no longer print these shirts that are attacking

829
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: the souls of America. And then like schools who hadn't

830
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: even like they like had maybe one student show up

831
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: wearing a Bart shirt and like another one had two,

832
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: and like they get on the news being like, well,

833
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: we're fighting this battle, and so it just makes them

834
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: look like we so cool by comparedon like one school

835
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: superintendent suggested that Bart should quote start talking about achievement

836
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: rather than underachievement and send out an anti drug message.

837
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: I love that the fuck up. You know what's crazy too,

838
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: because slingshots got really popular around me because of Art Simpson,

839
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 2: because he had those on this badly fucking know, ye, dude,

840
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: I remember kids of my negh were fucking hurting themselves

841
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: real bad because they didn't realize how power like you'd be, Like,

842
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: let me do the sling shot and then you get

843
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: that real ship bad news. But again that was also

844
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: very simple.

845
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: Launchers came from the slingshot craze, right, and I almost

846
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: left my left, Yeah, almost took my eye.

847
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: That you that you went a secret for thirty years, Jack,

848
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: When you said that to me, that really made me

849
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: so sad for you for those thirty years that's had

850
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: his secret eye injury.

851
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: Just me and my cool older sister. Don't don't.

852
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: Grandma right, it was your grandma, that's right.

853
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, just being accused of being cool by increasingly lame people.

854
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Because we'll also get to Bill cosby targeting them and

855
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: then George H. W. Bush. But yeah, the shirts become

856
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: popular and also right away the bootleg Bart's kind of

857
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: take over the world. So you know, if schools hated

858
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: the Underachiever shirt, they must have really hated the shirts

859
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: with Bart flipping the bird and being crushed to death

860
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: in an ass crack. Do you guys remember the crack

861
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: kills one?

862
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: No. The thing that was so beautiful though, is like

863
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: it was embraced culturally everywhere. Like I remember, like at

864
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: my grandparents black church, they had like black bootleg Bart stuff.

865
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, black like chic character shit too, and everybody was like.

866
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: We're rocking black bootleg Bart. It was just like everyone's like, man,

867
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: make it whatever color you want, Okay, up to you,

868
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: because we're all fucking with Bart's.

869
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm seeing the crack now. Oh I

870
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: need see. I'm gonna go buy this. It's just so good.

871
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm putting somebody's in the chat. So we got crack kills,

872
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: we got if you don't like my attitude, dial one

873
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: eight hundred each shit. And then we've got him with

874
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: a Mandela shirt. Bwa black with attitude. It's a black thing.

875
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: You wouldn't understand, but it's like a black Bart Simpson

876
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: just incredible.

877
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: I like you got the parts shaped in his head.

878
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: There Mandela. The dude's my hero.

879
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: It is my hero man. But yeah, the entire subgenre

880
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: of like bootleg Bart shirts starring Black Bart included ones

881
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: where he's like commenting it was like kind of like

882
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: political cartoon. He like, there's one where he's like talking

883
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: about the Rodney King Riots, praising Nelson Mandela. There's one

884
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: where he's strangling colonial oppressors in Haiti, like Homer is

885
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: the white red coat and Bart is black, and it

886
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: says don't have a cow colonizer and Homer is being

887
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: choked by black Bart and it says Haitian revolution. The

888
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: day when Bart got really pissed off.

889
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 8: Whoa, that's fucking what is he supposed to be like

890
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 8: two songs overture or whatever? Yeah, I think so wow,

891
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 8: he's wearing the Yeah, he's wearing that outfit. Okay, bro,

892
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 8: I need this one.

893
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: I'm laughing. I just sent one that's Bert eat my sharts.

894
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are definitely a lot of them that are

895
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: uh are tiny fuppets coated for sure?

896
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 6: Yeah?

897
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and like this is.

898
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: I maybe you'll talk about it later, but like this

899
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: doesn't even get into porn territory.

900
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're not going. We weren't planning.

901
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: No, we don't have to.

902
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: We don't have a notebooked later.

903
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: That's right.

904
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: But man, yeah, I see a lot of bro there's

905
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: a lot of CG. Thick Marges out there.

906
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, margin, missus Carbopple.

907
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, is that a real thing.

908
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: I could only imagine tag teaming Marge and and yeah, goddamn. Yeah.

909
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: There's also highly offensive ones like a Rasta Bart that

910
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: had big red lips and like super offensive like character things.

911
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: And then there's also there's a Nazi who was making

912
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: Bart Simpson t shirt that Socks had to sue him

913
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: just being like like Nazi and proud of it.

914
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 6: Man.

915
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like the story where they're like they

916
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: get this guy, Tom Metzker to agree in court to

917
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: stop making Nazi Bart Simpson t shirts. I was, I

918
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: googled Tom that.

919
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: I was like, this.

920
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's definitely in the Trump administration. He died in twenty twenty,

921
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: so he does not work for the Trump administration.

922
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: But oh just only in spirit now, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

923
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, there was a whole thing where they

924
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: tried to take the you know, black Bart phenomenon and

925
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: like Fox was like they put a show on after

926
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: True Colors, and they had a like an adge where

927
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: it was like a black family and they had an

928
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: ad where one of the I guess Simpson's newscaster was

929
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: reporting that Bart and Lester Freeman were secretly long lost brothers.

930
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: So they were just trying. They were like, you know, hey, guys,

931
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: it's cool, right. Howard University's chairman of Afro American Studies

932
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: told The New York Times that Bart's popularity in the

933
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: black community was due to the fact that there's a

934
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: suppressed race in the cartoon that black people are picking

935
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: up on. He was like just so popular for like

936
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: all of the sudden, so like kind of took over

937
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: in a way that people were responding to and was

938
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: selling a lot of merch.

939
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 3: He's also easy to draw, so just like.

940
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: Yes, right, yeah, and like again that iconic silhouette, you

941
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: know who it's supposed to be, Like even if the

942
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: hair is different or you know, the skin color is different,

943
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: You're like, but that's Bart Simpson.

944
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: It's the hair or the hat, you know. Like, as

945
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: we have said, like the True icons, you kind of

946
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: do it is I need something going on up top right.

947
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: Not even a year after the series premiered, the Simpsons

948
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: released the album The Simpsons Sing the Blues, which included

949
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: the track do the bart Man, which there were rumors

950
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: of the time that the song had ghost written by

951
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, who is a huge Simpsons fan, and then

952
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: Grating has since stated that Jackson did co write the song,

953
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: but nobody could say anything because he was contractually forbidden

954
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: from writing for an outside label.

955
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

956
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: The song's actual writer, Brian Lauren or like stated writer

957
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: has been like, no, I actually wrote it. There. I

958
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: don't know what the fun Matt's talking about.

959
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: Is there any evidence aside from just graining and saying

960
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: that he was like, yeah, Michael Jackson helped work on it.

961
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: He he just kind of says, shit, it seems like

962
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: that's what I mean.

963
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: Like, so did he like if he's e been like

964
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: and they spraypainted in my house and he's like, yeah,

965
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson wrote that.

966
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: So Brian Lauren uh is like, he didn't write it.

967
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: He did sing backup vocals on it, come up with

968
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: the title, and insist that we include his name in

969
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: the lyrics because there is a part where he says,

970
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: if you can do the Bart You're bad like Michael Jackson. Okay,

971
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: so it's like he's kind of involved in it, right,

972
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: I would say, right. They did pull the Michael Jackson

973
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: season three episodes Stark Raving Dad, in which Michael Jackson

974
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: appears as a voice actor. They pulled it from circulation

975
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 1: after producers heard rumors that Jackson was using the show

976
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: to groom boys, so like.

977
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: Or from the document that was from the documentary.

978
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: That was from the documentary. Yeah, they pulled it like

979
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: at the time of the that everything started coming out, right.

980
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: It's interesting that guy Brian Lauren also just like worked

981
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 2: on a ton of Jackson stuff too, So that's interesting,

982
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: like for someone who like seemingly has collaborated with him

983
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: or Janet too.

984
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you guys own this cassette? I owned it

985
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: looking at it.

986
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the CD for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it

987
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 2: was I mean that was like that was that era

988
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: where you kind of had to have like all the

989
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Simpson stuff. Like I loved having the books and the

990
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: you know, shirts, CDs, the sheets totally.

991
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: Did you guys have what were the Simpsons the Bart

992
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: Simpson t shirts that you had, Because as I said,

993
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: I had the upside down surfing cowabunga T shirt.

994
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: I had one with him with a skateboard and I

995
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: think it was maybe don't have a cat. It was

996
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: a don't have a cow.

997
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

998
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: And then I had one that I remember when we

999
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: went to Tijuana. I had a wild bootleg one. I

1000
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: was like him with a sombrero. And then I had

1001
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: like a black Bart one. And those are the three

1002
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: I remember the most.

1003
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 3: I didn't have any. I feel like girls didn't wear

1004
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: Bart Simpson's shirts.

1005
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, or also because I lived in Argentina,

1006
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 4: you couldn't get it was inaccessible. But I remember my

1007
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 4: grandparents brought me a set of sheets with Bart Simpson.

1008
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: On them that I would wear the yellow you know.

1009
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I did have is I had

1010
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: the Air Simpson, Bart Simpson, Michael Jordan mashup where he's

1011
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: like done o king.

1012
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1013
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, I like basketball guys. Yeah, I mean that wasting

1014
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 9: to the world. That's why it was so fucking malleable.

1015
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 9: They do, like, oh you like to throw pottery, here's

1016
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 9: the fucking pottery, Bart.

1017
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: Sure, you know what I mean?

1018
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: Like maybe like everything, yeah.

1019
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: And it was like yeah, people were like I can't

1020
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: stop selling this shit man. They loved the knitting bart,

1021
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: they loved the beach part. Yeah, it's just a type

1022
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 2: of T shirt.

1023
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: And then so, in addition to being like banned by

1024
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of schools, George Bush at his least cool,

1025
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: like as he was about to just be the first

1026
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: person who was like defeated it as an incumbent for

1027
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: like not being cool in a presidential election. He just

1028
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: like got out cooled by Bill Clinton. He came in

1029
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: uh for It started with a nineteen ninety People magazine

1030
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: interview with Barbara Bush in which she criticized The Simpsons, saying,

1031
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: I watch it. It was the dumbest thing I had

1032
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: ever seen, and then in the same paragraph praise it

1033
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: she loves says she loves America's funniest home videos. The

1034
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: entire paragraph is she loves America's funniest home videos, but

1035
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: remains baffled after sampling The Simpsons. It was the dumbest

1036
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: thing I had ever seen. And it's a family thing,

1037
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: and I guess it's clean, but that James L. Brooks

1038
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: like they did a thing where like Marge wrote to

1039
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: her and was like, sorry that you were so offended

1040
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: by my family and Barbara Bush was like, I am

1041
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: glad you spoke your mind. I foolishly didn't know you

1042
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 1: had one. So she was like engaging but also still

1043
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: being kind of right. And then James L. Brooks said

1044
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: that he met her at a dinner and introduced himself

1045
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: as a producer of the Simpsons, and she was like

1046
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: so mean to him.

1047
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so funny too, like the with the Desert Store,

1048
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: like you're talking about George Bush, Like, I remember they

1049
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: got that there were teenage mutant Ninja Turtles desert Storm

1050
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: action figures.

1051
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like you.

1052
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 2: Knew they were really crazy. They were trying to crank

1053
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: up that machine to be like, hey man, that's normalizing

1054
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: for the kids too. And you still fuck because he

1055
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: didn't get the Simpsons, bro, you know what I mean?

1056
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: All I remember the Gulf War t shirts ever TK

1057
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: of Bart, bootleg Golf War, A.

1058
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: Lot of bootleg Gulf War ones, a lot really like

1059
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: problematic racist ones. One I just posted in the chat

1060
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: is mess with the Best Die, Like the rest is

1061
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: just Bart Simpson beating the shit out of Saddamus for

1062
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: some reason. But so then during the election, like George W.

1063
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: Bush says this thing at like a prayer breakfast where

1064
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: he says he wants to help families become a lot

1065
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons.

1066
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, the Waltons, you fucking door. Also fun to

1067
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: remember this is the guy the moral Conscious who ended

1068
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,479
Speaker 1: ended up grabbing a woman by the ass and saying,

1069
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: know who my favorite magician is David Kappa. Feel no,

1070
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: that was his last thing that he did on in

1071
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: the public eye before he died. And then there is

1072
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: eventually an episode where they well, first of all, they

1073
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: respond to that by saying showing that speech before an

1074
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: episode of The Simpsons, and then Bart saying, hey, we're

1075
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: just like the Waltons. We're praying for an end to

1076
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: the depression too. Because the Waltons were like a depression

1077
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: era show and they were shitting on George Bush's economy.

1078
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: I will say like they the Simpsons was like after

1079
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: the eighties, being an entire era of like we don't

1080
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: like to talk about like money, everybody's rich. Okay, let's

1081
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: just imagine everybody's rich. Like the Simpsons did have bills

1082
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: like before a lot of other shows, like they predate Roseanne,

1083
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: and you know, we talked about how that started happening

1084
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: on like family matters and stuff. But yeah, nineteen ninety six,

1085
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: the beef wasn't over. There's a season seven episode where

1086
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: Homer beats the shit out of George Bush and people

1087
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: like this, was this like a political attack and the

1088
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: writer said, it's not a political attack, it's a personal attack.

1089
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: Fuck that guy.

1090
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: That's awesome. They also shipped on The Cops so bad

1091
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:16,959
Speaker 3: in the entire show.

1092
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: Oh I know, I mean, yeah, have Wiggum be like

1093
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: basically a pig man.

1094
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pig man wigam pig man, pig em And

1095
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: then he so the Simpsons kind of took over, well,

1096
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: they took on The Cosby Show directly, like went opposite

1097
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: the Cosby Show, And people were like, Bill Cosby, what

1098
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: do you think of the Simpsons? And you know, I

1099
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: gonna believe this. He thought they were mean spirited and cruel.

1100
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: TV should be moving in a direction from the Huxtables forward,

1101
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: not backward. The mean spirited and cruel. I think this

1102
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: kind of programming is the edge and their excuses. That's

1103
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: the way people are today. But why should we be

1104
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: entertained by that? It was his take on the Simpsons. Okay,

1105
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: I get fucked.

1106
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: That's it's just like such a pull your pants up boy,

1107
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: that kind of tape bro doing our thing over here.

1108
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: So like again, just like making him cool is so

1109
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: much cooler, okay, judge. Yeah, he specifically took aim at Bart,

1110
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: blasting him as a bad role model and calling him angry,

1111
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 2: confused and frustrated man.

1112
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: And then he's going off. No, he didn't like, I

1113
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: can't get him as you like that one. And this

1114
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: is the quote from Matt Groening on on that quote,

1115
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 1: he said that sums up Bart all right. Most people

1116
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: are in a struggle to be normal. He thinks normal

1117
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: is very boring and does things that others just wished

1118
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: they dare do. And I was like, all right, that

1119
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: must be a misprint, and I went and looked and

1120
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: it's not. It's what the fuck is this guy with?

1121
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: What is with this guy?

1122
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: And does things that others just wished they dare do?

1123
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: Oh just wish they wish they wish. Not that's a

1124
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: double wish.

1125
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wait, do we know?

1126
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: Is he he's alive?

1127
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: Right? Matt Granning? Yeah, Yeah, he's alive.

1128
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 3: What's he up to? Not today?

1129
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: Still like works on Futurama and stuff, And I know,

1130
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: people who've like written for him and say he's like great,

1131
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: like really like a great boss. He just makes everybody

1132
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: rub his feet, but he draws them a little on

1133
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: them in Simpsons drawings. Unfortunately, there's no like Epstein drawing that.

1134
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1135
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: Image. Ever.

1136
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: I mean they did an episode flight.

1137
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did an.

1138
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: Episode where they were like, the world is run by

1139
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of weird people on an island, like weird

1140
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: rich billionaires on an island.

1141
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: So but like the idea of a secret island that

1142
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: predates Yeah, I feel like for a while, like an

1143
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 2: evildoer's layer.

1144
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: But sure one detail. So Nancy cart Wright, great performer,

1145
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: a big time scientologist, became a bit of a problem

1146
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: when she used the bart voice in a Scientology robocall

1147
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: that promoted one of their events that I do need

1148
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: to play for you guys, really clean. So she was

1149
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: promoting like some event that like she was involved in,

1150
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: and people were returning to their homes in Los Angeles

1151
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: and finding this message on their voicemail or on the

1152
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: on their answering machine.

1153
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: I already know, and Nancy cart right here we go, Hey.

1154
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 6: What's happening? Man? Just just kidding going up This is

1155
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 6: Nancy cart Right and this is a very special phone

1156
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 6: call to you. I'm now auditing on new OT seven

1157
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 6: and it's been a wow. Thirty first in the Grand

1158
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 6: Ballroom at the Hollywood and Highlands Center at six thirty pm.

1159
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 6: It's going to be a bloss Man.

1160
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: I will be there to.

1161
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 6: Face exactly the film presentation of Flags, the mecca of

1162
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 6: technical perfection. Well, if you can make it Man to

1163
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 6: confirm for the Flag event, please call it a eighty eight.

1164
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: Dude. She's doing.

1165
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: Here like the soul leaving her body every time she

1166
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: shifts over to the Scientology Anyways, attendance.

1167
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: God, I have to tell this story.

1168
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 4: It's kind of unrelated, but the other day I went

1169
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 4: to a birthday party that was supposed to be across

1170
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 4: the street from the Scientology Center. I was really drunk

1171
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 4: and it was my friends Joy's birthday party. But instead

1172
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 4: I went to the door of the Scientology Center and

1173
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 4: there was a guard there and I was like, I'm looking.

1174
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: For Joy and he was like, what, You've come to

1175
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: the place here for Joy.

1176
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 4: Joy's party And he was like, get the fuck out,

1177
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 4: and he kicked me out and I just went to

1178
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 4: the Scientology Center.

1179
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: Wow. I'm surprised they weren't like joy right this way

1180
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: this evening to bring me out.

1181
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, also, the Lisa Greening was made to Craig Bartlett,

1182
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: the creator of Hey Arnold.

1183
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 3: Oh heyld Yes, it wasn't Doug.

1184
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: But although it's funny because I was going down that

1185
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 2: rabbit hole, the guy who created Doug was also married

1186
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: to a woman named Lisa. But again, it's just that era,

1187
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: and there are only five names you could have.

1188
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: Those are the only names.

1189
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 2: Lisa, Karen, Joy, you know, Margaret. There it is.

1190
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: But they they did have like that. There are episodes

1191
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: that you know, poke fun at cults, like The Joy

1192
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: of Sect right with a distinctly l Ron Hubbard like leader.

1193
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 6: Uh.

1194
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: They almost took on scientology. There's an episode called Lisa

1195
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: the cyan topter in that they wrote and uh, they

1196
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: wrote it and then it was people were like, I

1197
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: don't know, man, we're gonna get fucking sued by them,

1198
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: and also we're gonna have to find a new bart

1199
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: and we never, like, hadn't anybody else read for that role,

1200
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: so maybe we just let it go.

1201
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Nancy Krt right now is always remember

1202
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: what we talked about her on the show, and she

1203
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: was like posting she was behind some weird ass like

1204
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:47,560
Speaker 2: anti uh like anti anti antidepressant billboards and ship around that.

1205
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's their whole thing. Like I do wonder

1206
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: like she must have been very conflicted about the Bart Simpson.

1207
01:08:59,120 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: You know.

1208
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: Anyways, this is kind of around the time when Homer

1209
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: becomes the show's most popular character. It's like season four

1210
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people pinpoint is the moment when the

1211
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: shift happens. Bart and Lisa are kind of front and

1212
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: center in the first episode, but then the subsequent Bart

1213
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: episodes are mainly about Homer as well, with Homer getting

1214
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the best moments, and season four is

1215
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: Marge versus the Mono Rail is often considered, you know,

1216
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: one of the best episodes, but it's also a point

1217
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: at which the tone shifts much more absurdist and it's

1218
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: less of like a uh, you know, Bart based sitcom

1219
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: with Right, you know, and it becomes more what the

1220
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: what we know the Simpsons as in the Golden Age.

1221
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: Just a side you know, you know who Nancy Cartright's nieces,

1222
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter. They really it's her step It's like her

1223
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 2: step brothers child related. They're not really, but that's her aunt.

1224
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 2: His names and Sabena Garpenter's aunt.

1225
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: Is its secret. I don't want to go too hard

1226
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: because it's just it's like very said. She joined Scientology

1227
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one after like you know, booking the

1228
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 1: gig and like the sientisence is happening, and she like

1229
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: says she explicitly did it to get married, which is

1230
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, Oh it's dark.

1231
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that scientology is just She.

1232
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: Said she had never had a boyfriend and like apparently

1233
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: thought l Ron Hubbard's cult was the best place to

1234
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: connect with eligible singles. Oh, she did marry a scientologist.

1235
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: They later divorced. She was engaged to another scientologist who

1236
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: died by suicide in two thousand and nine because of

1237
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: like some financial shit that he was tied up in.

1238
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: So it's just like just you know that thing.

1239
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: There's no story about people that involved in the church,

1240
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, and it all went well the

1241
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 2: whole time and started well, went well, and ends well.

1242
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, got exactly what they were looking for. But yeah,

1243
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: I mean the since the Simpsons movie is after the fact,

1244
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: after you know, he's at his peak, like a child

1245
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: star who's fallen on hard times. You know the pickup

1246
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: truck scene from Boogie Nights. He uh regains the spotlight

1247
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: by showing showing off his dick.

1248
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: Oh, that was like their attempt to bring him back.

1249
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: That's what I think. Bart was like, guys, come on,

1250
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: what will this make you love me again? And so

1251
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: and it did.

1252
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 3: It's so good. I just rewatched it.

1253
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 4: And what's funniest to me is they try the entire

1254
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,560
Speaker 4: time not to show his dick, so like it's like

1255
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 4: a cigarette covering it.

1256
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then yeah, yeah long, it's long.

1257
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 3: And it's like exactly what you would not that I'm thinking.

1258
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: I'm not is a little boys dick.

1259
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 3: It's fun perfectly proportioned, and that little ass is so cute.

1260
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: And then on American TV when they show it, they

1261
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: put a black bar over it that says European version

1262
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: only on the black bar. But yeah, I don't know

1263
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: it's I asked my kids, like, who do you know for?

1264
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: Like when I say the Simpsons, what character do you

1265
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: picture first? And it's it's Homer like even for that.

1266
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: My my son's nine and like he's still I was like, Okay,

1267
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: who do you picture next? He's like, I guess Marge,

1268
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: and then god damn man.

1269
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: If anything, Jack, that's a good sign. He looks up

1270
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 2: to you, Bro, that's right. I think that the father first.

1271
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: I think my mother.

1272
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of the abusive dumb father.

1273
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 4: If you had to pick a favorite, not of the

1274
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 4: core family, just like of the entire show, who would

1275
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 4: it be?

1276
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 3: Sorry, this is the worst kind of question to get.

1277
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: I love I love MO. I love Toldbooth will it

1278
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 1: or a fucking groundskey will? He has like given me

1279
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: some great moments. But I think I like Mo of

1280
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,560
Speaker 1: the best, just a lot of a lot of the

1281
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: darkness that was coming through. And the dubs, the suicide.

1282
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: Jokes are so funny.

1283
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, is one of the greats. How about you?

1284
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 3: Barney?

1285
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: Barney so good?

1286
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 3: Barney so good. I laughed the most with Barney.

1287
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

1288
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,879
Speaker 2: Barney's also I love because they're just like the alcohol

1289
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 2: alcohol like, he's just such a clown.

1290
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 3: He doesn't good though. They're like the talking like an alcoholic.

1291
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 3: It's just like it's so funny.

1292
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: And then probably like other ones is maybe I like

1293
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 2: the one carry he's just called old Jewish man. He's

1294
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 2: I know, he goes. I want some Tequito's. He's like

1295
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: one of those old guys, like in the chorus of

1296
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: old People. I was trying to figure out this guy's name.

1297
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 2: And it's just because Quimby conferred, like refers to an

1298
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Speaker 2: episode as old Jewish man loose gold, like I want

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Speaker 2: some Taquito's is one of my favorite stupid ass lines.

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Speaker 2: Are you looking to look it up? It's that? And uh,

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Speaker 2: I think also mister Burns too. There's some of that

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Speaker 2: mister Burns because not because like a lot of this

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Speaker 2: stuff involving him, and like it ends up touching on

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Speaker 2: class and all these other things that I think are

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01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 2: really I think some of the best parts sometimes about

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Speaker 2: the Simpsons and their depiction of him.

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Speaker 1: That's what George H. W. Bush really didn't like, because

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Speaker 1: that they were talking about class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I'm sure, I'm sure. Yeah, but anyone but any

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Speaker 2: of the old people, you know, like jazz.

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Speaker 1: Also alternative fuels to fossil fuels, right, nuclear power, although

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01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: they really fucked up nuclear power showing that fish with

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Speaker 1: three eyes.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I thought it was cool, man. I just think

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01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 2: that's cool man. I think that's cool man.

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Speaker 1: I heard Yeah, man, tam such a pleasure having you

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Speaker 1: on for this.

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Speaker 3: I could talk about this for four more No, four

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01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 3: more hours is too much.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I unfortunately so well, we could just pull up

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Speaker 7: porn Hub and see what they Yeah, where can people

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01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 7: find you?

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Speaker 1: Follow you all that good stuff?

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Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram at tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and Miles, where can people find you at

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01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: Miles of Gray?

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01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's where you go.

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Speaker 1: And that was our Bart Simpson's conversation, Bart Bart Simpsons conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back in a moment with the note where

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Speaker 1: I tell you all the stuff that I forgot to

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Speaker 1: tell Tam and Miles.

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Speaker 5: We'll be right back, all right, this is the notebook dump. No, no, no,

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Speaker 5: note book don't.

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Speaker 1: I will say a bit of housekeeping off the bat.

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Speaker 1: I have heard you on the fact that we haven't

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01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: had enough woman icons to this point. We definitely started

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Speaker 1: these first fifteen icon episodes out with a disproportionately high

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Speaker 1: number of men, encryptids and boy cartoons. In this case,

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: you will definitely find the overall numbers will even out

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 1: as we get to know twenty five and thirty of

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Speaker 1: these Iconograph episodes. But it's definitely a fair critique. It

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: was a weird ratio to start with, I should have

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: noticed it. It will be fixed in the fullness of time,

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I appreciate your patience. On to Bart, maybe

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01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: the best example we've had so far of a bunch

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01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: of amazing talent and icons coming together in a single icon.

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01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, Matt Grain gets the majority of the credit,

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01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: but Bart Simpson is a character who is written or

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01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,839
Speaker 1: shaped by, among others, James L. Brooks, like a giant

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Speaker 1: of modern popular culture, Oscar Winner, force of mainstream comedic,

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Speaker 1: like high brow success, Conan O'Brien as we'll talk about

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01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: in a second, even more. But you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the greats. He has a song in his first like

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Speaker 1: breakout Year, he has a song written by Michael Jackson. Yeah,

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01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: some icons get to be sort of filter feeders on

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01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: the best talent in the world, you know, not just

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Speaker 1: cartoon characters. With Bart, that's by design. You have a

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Speaker 1: show with a bunch of amazing talent from different sectors contributing.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we've also seen this with like Elvis,

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01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: obviously a filter feeder on these amazing songwriters and then

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01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: black artists whose songs he appropriates. Einstein has a bunch

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 1: of really talented mathematicians that he's talking to, and his

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01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: first wife helps him formulate a lot of his early

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01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: ideas and as a sounding board. But yeah, with Bart

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01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: and fictional characters, obviously it's by design. Miss Piggy had

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Speaker 1: a lot of great artists, as we talked about behind her,

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Speaker 1: But with real people, because of the design of our

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Speaker 1: brain and our addiction to understanding everything through stories with

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Speaker 1: singular protagonists, we sort of filter out the cumulative and

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Speaker 1: reinterpret it to be the achievement of one great person.

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Speaker 1: In terms of Bart's fellow Yellow King, the Yellow Kid,

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Speaker 1: first of all, if you look at a picture of him,

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Speaker 1: just as cursed as the Yellow Kids from True Detective

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Speaker 1: and the Robert Chambers short stories. But finding out about

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Speaker 1: him kind of blew my mind with how first of

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01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: all impactful he was, and then how completely I had

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01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: no idea he existed. No idea. First of all, that's

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Speaker 1: where they got yellow journalism from. As we mentioned in

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01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 1: the show, I thought that was a way of saying

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Speaker 1: that that type of journalism is cowardly. Historians also say

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01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: the Yellow Kid was the first example of modern merchandising,

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01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: with like puzzles and games. He also gave us speech bubbles,

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01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 1: the method of like writing the words a character is

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01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: saying in the panel, putting the words on his shirt

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01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: was the beginning of that. So yeah, like a lot

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Speaker 1: of really important things created by this character who just gone,

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01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: as far as like, I don't know, maybe you guys

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01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: can tell me, maybe I'm wrong and it's just me,

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01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: but I I had no idea, and it wasn't like

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01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 1: I found out about and I was like, oh, yeah,

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01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: that rings a bell nothing and then yeah, Bart was

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01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: created almost exactly one hundred years later. It truly is

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,560
Speaker 1: like there's a cursed yellow child who will arise and

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01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: obsess the zeitgeist for a couple of years and then

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01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: disappear every century. And when the next one arises, will

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Speaker 1: Bart be totally and completely gone. I'd guess yes, probably,

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01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: But I do think that's an interesting hypothetical question, maybe

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: a recurring one that we could bring to these icon

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Speaker 1: episodes is of the icons that we've covered so far,

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Speaker 1: which ones in one hundred years probably won't be completely gone.

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01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: I'd say the ones that are most likely to still

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01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: be around would be Santa Leprechauns probably sticking around. The

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01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: Gray Aliens. We'll see, but Dolly Parton, she'll still be alive,

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01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: so she'll she'll still be around Einstein. I'd imagine we

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01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 1: still know who Einstein is in one hundred years, and

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01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: maybe that's it. This is all I'm just citing these

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Speaker 1: from memory. I don't have the list in front of me,

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01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: but this is obviously all assuming a world in which

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01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: we still exist in one hundred years. But if we do,

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01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know. I'd be interested to

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01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: hear your arguments for who else might still be around.

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01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: I want to talk again about and I think I

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01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: talked plenty in the episode, but just the fake story

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01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: about Matt Groening finding house of Bart written on his

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01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: house and realizing that they didn't know it was his house.

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01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: This genre of fun anecdote with a twist that is

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01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: probably not true, but let's not let that ruin the

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01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: fun anecdote along with you know Bart Simpson never said cowabunga,

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01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: that's actually you inflating. Don't have a cow with I corumba.

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01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: These are great anecdotes that aren't true, but they're so good.

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01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: I want to come up with a name for this

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01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: genre of bullshit fact. I'm proposing me be JFK jelly donuts,

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01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: because I think the maybe the most famous one of

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01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: these is the fake anecdote that when John F. Kennedy

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01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: said ick ben ein bat Lennar, everyone laughed because it

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01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: translated to I'm a jelly donut. Didn't happen. Doesn't translate

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01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm a jelly donut. That was made up by a

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01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: spy novel, or it could be translated to that, but

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01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: everybody knew exactly what he was saying. I would love

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01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 1: to hear from listeners on a better name for that genre,

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01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: and also other examples of cool bits of trivia stories

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01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,919
Speaker 1: with a twist that aren't true, but they're so memorable

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01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,520
Speaker 1: they just get passed around. Did you guys know Einstein

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01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: failed math in elementary school? That's I'd say a JFK

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01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: jelly donut. Let's see mentioned that the first season of

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01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: The Simpsons was not a ratings banans and that it

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01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: was beat by a show called Chicken Soup. I did

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01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: a quick look into that show. The premise, a middle

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01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: aged Jewish man marries get this, a middle aged Irish

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01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: Catholic woman. Well, yeah, you can imagine the shenanigans in

1441
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: confusion that comes from a scenario like that only in Hollywood, folks,

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01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: Dear John. Another one that we mentioned is about a

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01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: man whose wife leaves him and gets his kids and

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01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: the house, and the divorce and hilarity ensues, I guess,

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01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: as he manages to not jump off the Brooklyn Bridge.

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01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: For four st rate seasons of TV. I think I

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01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: actually remember, like the intro to that one coming on

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01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: after I watched something else. Speaking of the first season,

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01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: I do remember buying the first season DVD and being

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01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: sort of disappointed by the episodes in season one, like

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01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: thrown by Homer's weird deep voice and his like open

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01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: child abuse of Bart, and then kind of lulled to

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01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: sleep by some very conventional sitcom plotting. I feel like

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01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: it wasn't until season four that things really start picking up. Actually,

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01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: when you look it up, people say that season four,

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01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: episode twelve is the first time that like structurally and

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01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: plot wise, things get surreal. That episode was written by

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01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: someone named Conan O'Brien and it was called Marge Versus

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: the Monoail. Yeah, I knew that was considered like one

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01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: of the great episodes. Didn't realize it was load bearing

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01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: in terms of introducing the surrealism that would go on

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01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,719
Speaker 1: to kind of be a Hallmark, and then David Murkin

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01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: came along as the showrunner head writer in season five,

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01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: and Homer got way dumber and the rest is history. Interestingly,

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01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: Bart actually became I think smarter throughout the course of

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01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: the show. The episode Bart is a genius in season one,

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01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 1: but he just cheats or like there's a clerical but

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01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: he's learned. Over the course of the show, He's learned

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01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 1: multiple new languages very quickly, including French, Japanese, Cantonese, Spanish.

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01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: And then there's the famous episode where he is medicated

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01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: with a new ADHD medication and that's the thing, Like,

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01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: it's basically the premise is, this guy's a genius who's

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01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: just like not able to get past his add without medication.

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01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 1: He takes his medication, becomes an amazing student, model citizen,

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01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: and then like paranoid that Major League Baseball is spying

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: on him, and everyone's like, uh oh, the medication is

1477
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: fucking him up. But it turns out he's right. He's

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01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: just the only one smart enough to realize that they

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01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: are spying on all of us, which must have been

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01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: a tough a tough episode for Nancy cartright who, as

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01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: we heard, was shilling for Scientology, which an organization that

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01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: extremely hostile for its psychiatric medication. So couldn't have left

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01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: that one all right. That is going to do it

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01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: for this week's episode. Next week we got another holiday cryptid,

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01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: the Easter Bunny with Brandy Posey, a weird one that

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01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: ended up being a lot more interesting than I expected,

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01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: So tune in for that one and we will talk

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01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: to you soon.