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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis end Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show gets going right now and we have much

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Speaker 1: to discussed. You have another strike on a suspected cartel

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Speaker 1: drug vessel off the coast of Venezuela and the Caribbean.

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Speaker 1: This time around there are survivors. I think this was

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Speaker 1: an undersea meaning submersible like a It's like a submarine,

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Speaker 1: but just a few feet below the surface. That's my understanding.

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Speaker 1: So we will talk a bit more about what's going

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Speaker 1: on with this war, a real war on drug It's

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Speaker 1: not just a metaphorical war on drugs. This is real

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Speaker 1: war on drug stuff. And we'll talk to our friend,

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Speaker 1: former Davy Seal Dave Rutherford about this later on. He well,

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Speaker 1: he knows about special operations for sure. He's also a

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Speaker 1: host in the Clay and Buck podcast network, so we'll

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Speaker 1: have a conversation with him. We've also gotten Nicole Parker

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Speaker 1: in the third hour. She's a former FBI agent, and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to her about everything going on over at

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Speaker 1: the bureau, the Kombe indictment, and also, yes, the big

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Speaker 1: news story of the day today, which is the indictment

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Speaker 1: of former National Security advisor Bolton. So John Bolton is

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Speaker 1: now facing a whole lot of charges relating to transmission

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Speaker 1: of and retention of national defense information. This is going

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Speaker 1: to be already play. It's a case that has a

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Speaker 1: lot of people speaking about the politics involved, and they're

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Speaker 1: talking about this whole situation as though it is just

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Speaker 1: Trump doing things that he shouldn't be doing and trying

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Speaker 1: to settle scores. Okay, I read the indictment and it

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Speaker 1: primarily relates to John Bolton going home from his job

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Speaker 1: as National Security Advisor, where you see you can see

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Speaker 1: anything near the National Security Advisor, meaning you're cleared for

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Speaker 1: the most sensitive compartmented stuff, covert actions in foreign countries,

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Speaker 1: very sensitive collection methods, you know, you name it, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean the nuclear arsenal, whatever you want to know.

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Speaker 1: When you're NSA, you can know, and you are seeing

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Speaker 1: that stuff on a daily basis. Bolton was going home

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Speaker 1: Clay while he was serving as Trump's National Security Advisor

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Speaker 1: is bizarre behavior. And I would tell you that if

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Speaker 1: I had a friend in the national security world who said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I I mean, when I was at CIA, they said,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they brought it to me.

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Speaker 3: By the way, not having been in the CIA, it

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Speaker 3: Like when I would go home if I got a

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Speaker 3: be able to blow up bad guys in this province

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Speaker 3: that one, like no, you don't do that. Now they're

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Speaker 3: saying in the indictment that the stuff that.

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Speaker 1: He was relaying Clay would be classified up to the

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Speaker 2: So this is one of those things where.

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Speaker 3: It's almost not that complicated of a case to prove

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen there are eighteen counts brought in this indictment.

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Speaker 3: As soon as they realized that Joe Biden had classified documents,

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Speaker 3: Even though Trump had been the president to talk about

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Speaker 3: And then you remember when they found out that Biden

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Speaker 3: The idea that classified documents and having them was a

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Speaker 2: They just basically stopped.

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Speaker 3: And so I think they were smart enough to recognize

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Speaker 3: his own classified documents. But this was an investigation that

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Speaker 3: to a large extent, was taking place while Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: they found documents that are indicative of crimes being committed.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like everybody's lining up to argue this

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Speaker 1: I will tell you the Wall Street Journal, to my surprise,

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Wall Street Journal has been breaking with Trump on

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because the Biden administration dropped this probe, and

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Speaker 1: let's let's let this keep going. The defense though for

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be much way.

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Speaker 2: To really defend.

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Speaker 3: For your perspective, Trump's defense was I'm president, so I

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Speaker 3: can declassify anything. Now people try to argue against it.

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Speaker 3: But Bolton, as his positions, does not have that as

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Speaker 3: a potential defense. Direc there's no defense of he had

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Speaker 3: a skiff. This comes up in the indictment, a secure

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Speaker 1: In his home. And and he also got hacked by

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Speaker 1: that comes up in this too. This is all the indictment.

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Speaker 1: But he was allowed to have classify documents at his home,

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Speaker 1: as does your right to have any classified documents at home. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so what he's going to say is my recollections of

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Speaker 1: So clearly it's not classified information in some cases or

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Speaker 1: goes to what Komy did as well. Contemporaneous notes of

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Speaker 3: Right, so let me, let me, let me pause you there,

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Speaker 3: because I this is me putting on my lawyer hat.

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Speaker 3: If I can't take the actual classified documents out because

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Speaker 2: And let me explain if everybody out there listening.

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Speaker 3: If my yellow legal pad was stolen, which recited the

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Speaker 1: That is correct. The fundamentally the information is what is classified, correct,

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Speaker 1: It is not the marketing. And this came up with

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Speaker 1: the things that I wrote down were not actually classified

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I think the jury will be able to see.

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Speaker 2: This this I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Some have never been involved in a classified case, but

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Speaker 3: I don't understand how you could convict someone without showing

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Speaker 3: what was classified that the person had in their possession,

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Speaker 3: even though to your point, that further exposes national security

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Speaker 3: because twelve random people on a jury suddenly get the

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is where this is a little bit

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Speaker 1: like the pornography. I know it when I see it

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Speaker 1: classified to those who have held the clearance, you know

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Speaker 1: The fact that it's not Mark classified as he writes

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Speaker 1: Well, I think again, I think that what he was doing,

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Speaker 3: think about opening yourself up to the devast stating CounterPunch.

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Speaker 3: And I think Swollwell constantly gets knocked out by the

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Speaker 3: counter punch. I think what he's relying on, and I

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Speaker 3: think what a lot of these Democrats rely on is

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Speaker 3: no one sees the counter punch. All they care about

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Speaker 3: is the punch.

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Speaker 1: Well with Swowell, with the with what he's saying here.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the more people learn about healthcare, specifically Obamacare,

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Speaker 1: the more they realize it.

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Speaker 2: Is a disaster complete.

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Speaker 1: All the things that conservatives said about this, and I

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Speaker 1: was one of them fifteen years ago or roughly what

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Speaker 1: is it, thirteen years ago? Now, all the things that

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Speaker 1: we said about this true. It's not going to bring

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Speaker 1: costs down. It's going to make costs much worse. Illegals

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Speaker 1: will get access to care because you know, we'll get

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Speaker 1: access greed, we'll get their care paid for because of this,

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Speaker 1: and it's just going to destroy health insurance even more

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Speaker 1: under the pretense of it's making everyone's health insurance better

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Speaker 1: and cheaper, which was all I. But beyond that, there

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Speaker 1: are the arguments that someone can say to us, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know when they do these when they do these

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Speaker 1: ice raids, it's really upsetting to some people who are

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Speaker 1: illegals and they're not bad people, and it's and it

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Speaker 1: you know, they they're they're paying a price here, and

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Speaker 1: it's really sad. And to enforce the law, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: make some families cry over this one. And that is

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Speaker 1: a cost. Now, it's a cost that I am willing

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Speaker 1: for the government to bear. But that is a legitimate cost.

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Speaker 1: That is someone saying, you know, hey, you're really going

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Speaker 1: to make people upset by enforcing our immigration laws. And

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Speaker 1: there are going to be people that you know, emotionally

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Speaker 1: are going to pull on your heartstrings when they're deported.

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Speaker 1: Not talking about the gang members and the bad people,

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Speaker 1: but just in general. And you know, that's a real

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Speaker 1: cost that I say. Okay, our side says, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: we have to have sovereignty and we have to have laws. Clay,

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Speaker 1: neither you, nor I, nor anybody else is pro cancer,

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Speaker 1: and to make an argument like that is just childish.

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Speaker 1: It's just dumb and for swallwell to go there. That's

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Speaker 1: not a cost that we're in favor of, Like this

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Speaker 1: is that's not a real thing. But it's like calling

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Speaker 1: Trump voters and Nazis when Trump is the most popular

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Speaker 1: president from the standpoint of Israel in American history. Like

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Speaker 1: it's just it's not a real argument. It's fantasyland stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do think the question that Charlemagne asked

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Speaker 3: is one that the persuadable, reasonable universe of voters, which

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Speaker 3: let's be honest, is probably no more than twenty percent,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's ten percent, fifteen percent of American voters.

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Speaker 2: It's one that I think it's going to be very.

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Speaker 3: Difficult for Democrats to get past because if you will

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Speaker 3: lie to me about the most important question is the

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Speaker 3: president qualified to do the job or not? Then how

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Speaker 3: can I trust you to be honest with me on

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Speaker 3: any questions. And it's one that I think candidly is

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Speaker 3: a very real issue that Democrats are going to have.

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Speaker 3: And the closer you were connected to Joe Biden, the

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Speaker 3: more difficult it's going to be to distinguish yourself, whether

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Speaker 3: that's Kamala Harris, whether that's may Pete It's why I

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Speaker 3: think Gavin Newsom is actually going to benefit off of this,

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Speaker 3: because he can say, Hey, I was out in California,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know. I think if you were in the

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Speaker 3: cabinet with Joe Biden to the extent that media are

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Speaker 3: willing to ask you questions, I think it's going to

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Speaker 3: be difficult for you to argue that you weren't aware

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Speaker 3: of how much he cognitively declined.

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Speaker 1: This reminds me of the enormous luck that Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: had in running for the Democrat primary, which was because

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Speaker 1: he wasn't really in the game. He can say, no,

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Speaker 1: I think the Iraq War was a disaster and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't my fault, unlike Hillary. Now, was that because Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama was some genius who went against the current of

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Speaker 1: his time that was voting for the Iraq War. No,

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Speaker 1: but he was lucky, right, And you know, you take

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Speaker 1: the wins that are given to you. And the same

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Speaker 1: thing is true of Gavin Newsom because he wasn't involved

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Speaker 1: at all in the Biden Kamala administration. He is clear

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Speaker 1: of the stink of lying about Biden's dementia is not clear,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and I think Gavin would go I

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Speaker 1: think he'd go out.

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Speaker 2: I think he'd go after over that. I think so too.

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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of talk about the toxicity of

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Speaker 3: that relationship. I would just also point out that's how

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Speaker 3: Trump benefited too. Now, Trump was on the record as

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Speaker 3: being skeptical of the Iraq War in general, But the

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Speaker 3: first time that I really noticed Trump was in that

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Speaker 3: summer twenty fifteen debate when he called out George W.

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Speaker 3: Bush and Dick Cheney. Because now, I think most people

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Speaker 3: are aware that the Iraq War was a poor decision

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Speaker 3: and we should have never gone in the way that

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Speaker 3: we did, and we shouldn't have spent the money that

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Speaker 3: we did. I think that's general consensus view. In twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 3: that was not the consensus view for a Republican candidate

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Speaker 3: to be willing to utter. And I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people took note of that that Trump was willing

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Speaker 3: to criticize a bad decision that the Bush administration had made. Now,

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Speaker 3: did it partly help him go after Jeb Bush, who

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Speaker 3: was the establishment can ended it at that point in time,

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Speaker 3: the continuation of the Bush dynasty politically, yes, But I

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Speaker 3: think also Trump was right and nailed it bringing us.

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Speaker 1: Back here to the Bolton situation, the indictment of Trump's

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Speaker 1: former national security advisor, but both in big neocon, big hawk,

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Speaker 1: big interventionist, a very bad choice for Trump. Under NSA,

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Speaker 1: Trump admits that he made some beat. You go to

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Speaker 1: war with the army you have, and you run an

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Speaker 1: administration with the people that you know of who have

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Speaker 1: had these jobs at least the first time around. So

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Speaker 1: he had he had a learning curve, There's no question

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Speaker 1: about it. And here he is reacting to John Bolton's indictment.

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Speaker 1: This is cup one play.

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Speaker 7: It just indicted by a Brandur and Maryland. Do you

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Speaker 7: have a reaction to that.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that, you tell me for the first time.

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Speaker 5: But I think he's, you know, a bad person. I

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Speaker 5: think he's a guy. Yeah, he's a bad guy, too bad.

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Speaker 5: But that's the where it goes. That's the way it goes, right,

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Speaker 5: that's the way it goes. Well I want him, No,

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Speaker 5: I haven't. I haven't, But I just think he's a

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Speaker 5: bad person.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, you know one thing that I do want

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Speaker 1: to be. There's a lot of voices out there, Clay,

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Speaker 1: They're saying, oh, this is about reprisal. Or whatever. Hold

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Speaker 1: on a second. The law is the law or it's not.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you we actually got into this

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Speaker 1: thing on the right where, for example, with Hillary, Hillary

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Speaker 1: absolutely broke the law with the way that she was

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Speaker 1: conducting her emails and everything else. No question, there is

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Speaker 1: a specific recklessness continue you know, component of the statute

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Speaker 1: that she violated in the espionage back recklessness, right, So

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Speaker 1: what she did was absolutely reckless for a secretary of state,

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Speaker 1: there's no question. I mean, otherwise, there's no such thing

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Speaker 1: as reckless. But we said all for politics and whatever

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Speaker 1: Trump said this, we'll let it go. All is saying

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Speaker 1: I would not be okay with this administration. I don't

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Speaker 1: care who it is. I would not be okay if

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Speaker 1: I felt like the DOJ was fabricating crimes, you know,

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Speaker 1: or or pretending people did things, or pretending they violated

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Speaker 1: laws when they didn't. But if you're just enforcing the law,

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Speaker 1: why is that. It's the removal of special treatment that

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Speaker 1: we're actually talking about here. It's not getting bad treatment

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Speaker 1: because Trump doesn't like you. It's sorry, you actually broke

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Speaker 1: the law. True of Letitia James as well.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's also just a response to deciding that

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Speaker 3: Trump was going to be indicted in four different places.

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Speaker 2: They what I mean, that removed the.

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Speaker 1: Special treatment that he should have gotten as a former

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Speaker 1: president quote unquote special treatment, and they actually were fabricating

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Speaker 1: crimes against him. I do not believe that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the thing that happened in New York was completely insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and not only that, while they were prosecuting Trump

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Speaker 3: for everything, they had Joe Biden dead to write, and

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Speaker 3: Robert Hurr led him off because he said he didn't

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Speaker 3: have the mental capacity for a jury to convict him,

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Speaker 3: even though he was dead to rights on holding classified

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Speaker 3: documents and did not have the presidential privilege at all

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Speaker 3: because at that point in time he had been a

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Speaker 3: senator and vice president. But the fact that Robert Hurr's

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Speaker 3: decision was, yes, he committed crimes, but because his brain

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Speaker 3: is so broken, no jury would convict him. By the way,

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Speaker 3: he may have been right, but that was the guy

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Speaker 3: who was the president of the United States. So they

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Speaker 3: were even still letting Biden off under the pre existing

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Speaker 3: Hillary standards while throwing the book at Trump.

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Speaker 1: Is exactly right. And this is what is so essential

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Speaker 1: what you are seeing with Trump thus far, with whether

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Speaker 1: it's Letitia James or Komy or this is a we're

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Speaker 1: all going to be held to the same standard standard. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to have they can make up stuff. Again,

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Speaker 1: the New York thing was an absolute fabrication crime of crime.

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Speaker 1: Nothing wrong there. It was completely absurd. I can argue

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Speaker 1: on the other ones too that they're but you know,

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Speaker 1: the New York thing was just completely out of outrageous

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Speaker 1: and specifically the most outrageous I think. And now what

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Speaker 1: we're saying is okay, well, Democrats, when you actually break

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Speaker 1: the law, we're going to hold you accountable. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: don't see what the problem is. In fact, I think

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Speaker 1: there'd be a problem not doing this. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: what you're also recognizing is something we've talked about on

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Speaker 1: this program for a long time. If you bring your microscope,

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Speaker 1: if you bring your spyglass, and you aggressively investigate anybody,

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Speaker 1: there is a prosecutor who can make a case against them.

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Speaker 1: The amount of prosecutorial power that we have embedded in

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Speaker 1: single person out there with us right now you can

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Speaker 1: compliance with every You can write something down on your

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Speaker 1: books that you paid off totally legally, Clay, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden you're facing thirty seven felony counts.

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Speaker 3: Correct, They can't find a crime for any of you

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Speaker 3: out there. I really believe this if they investigated you

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Speaker 1: As they did Trump.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 1: meat for life.

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Speaker 4: Clay and Buck podcast, a new episode every Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get

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Speaker 3: your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to some of your reactions, such as AA,

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Speaker 3: I remember seeing this as I got ready for the show.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly what was said, but I do

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Speaker 3: know it was funny what we got here.

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Speaker 2: Podcast listener Jim.

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Speaker 7: Wisdom that sharks do not attack lawyers due to professional courtesy,

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Speaker 7: So if a shart ever approaches you, simply show him

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Speaker 7: your barcard. You should be.

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Speaker 3: Fine very well if you couldn't hear Jim very well.

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Speaker 3: There he was saying, lawyers don't attack sharks. Sorry, sharks

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Speaker 3: don't attack lawyers as a part of professional courtesy.

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Speaker 2: So yes, a little bit of humor there.

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Speaker 1: Well, dude, there is a lawyer joke, a shark joke,

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Speaker 1: and a dad joke all at the same.

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Speaker 2: Into one good that's a good, good job by Jim.

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Speaker 3: There we come back, Buck, Your home city of New

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Speaker 3: York is in serious trouble. The New York City Mayor's

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Speaker 3: race debate happened last night. So did, by the way,

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Speaker 3: the Virginia Attorney General debate. We got cuts from both

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Speaker 3: of those. Plus ourbuddy David Rutherford on the latest in Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: What should we know about what's going on there? All

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Speaker 3: that next