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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening

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Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now is what we've been trying

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Speaker 1: to get to for almost thirty years. From the stadiums

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Speaker 1: where athlete break barriers and set records. Caitlin Quark broke

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Speaker 1: the all time single game assists record. This is crazy

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Speaker 1: for rookies to be doing. Our discussions will uncover the

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Speaker 1: vital connections between these realms and the community we create.

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Speaker 1: In each episode, we'll sit down with athletes, political analysts,

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Speaker 1: and culture critics because at the core of it all,

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Speaker 1: how we see one issue shines the light on all others.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm your host, Carrie Champion. Hey everyone,

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Speaker 1: it is Carrie Champion, a Mistroll family. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports. Little housekeeping off the top. I want to

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Speaker 1: say something, this is so bizarre. First and foremost, I

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Speaker 1: want to say that we are heading into season five

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Speaker 1: of Naked Sports, and I want to thank you all

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Speaker 1: for being here for five seasons. I remember what the

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Speaker 1: podcast started as and what it has evolved into and

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Speaker 1: now that we are approaching season five, I think that

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Speaker 1: the world has changed. Not only my podcast has changed,

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Speaker 1: it's adjusted to the world. And it got me to thinking,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you all a question. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever started something, whether it be a relationship, a workship,

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Speaker 1: a job, a project, and in your mind it starts

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Speaker 1: off as something and then it ultimately changes because we

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Speaker 1: evolve as humans. And it made me feel like I

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Speaker 1: should share this message, the message of I think it's

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Speaker 1: okay for us to be able to change our minds

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Speaker 1: once we get new information that allows us to see

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Speaker 1: the project, the job, the person, the relationship differently. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: the different is good. Meaning if I'm in a relationship

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Speaker 1: and I feel this way about a person and then

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Speaker 1: I get more information that helps me understand why the

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Speaker 1: person behaves the way that they behave, that will allow

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Speaker 1: me I'm talking about me only to have empathy. And

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Speaker 1: so for Naked Sports, I started it off as just naked.

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Speaker 1: The idea of Naked was supposed to be me daring

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Speaker 1: it all, sharing my truth, interviewing people from different backgrounds

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Speaker 1: who wanted to have very intimate and honest conversations. And

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Speaker 1: the reality is is that when people come on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: They don't always want to have different conversations, and they

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Speaker 1: don't always want to be intimate, and they don't always

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Speaker 1: want to share all. You have to create an environment

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Speaker 1: for that, and we started Naked in the pandemic, so

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Speaker 1: you have to realize there was always this barrier. We

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Speaker 1: were zooming. Everything now riverside if you are a podcast

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Speaker 1: or everyone is a podcaster, But in that moment, we

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Speaker 1: people and see their reactions face to face and feel

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Speaker 1: their body language and energy. We weren't doing that when

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Speaker 1: we first started Naked at a different producer, and as

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Speaker 1: and that's why it came to Naked Sports. Obviously, sports

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Speaker 1: is how many people know me while working at ESPN,

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Speaker 1: idea was to take politics, culture and sport and put

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Speaker 1: Guess what politics, sports culture intersect. Just making it really easy.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example of a story that that

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Speaker 1: meets those requirements. Bad Bunny at the super Bowl? Are

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Speaker 1: y'all kidding me? Bad Bunny at the super Bowl? And

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Speaker 1: the right is up in arms saying they want to

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Speaker 1: from Americans. You know, and I know listen. I know

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Speaker 1: who listen to this podcast, and you're intelligent. You all

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Speaker 1: know that Bad Bunny is a US citizen. We all

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Speaker 1: point out and I've talked about this. The super Bowl

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Speaker 1: does not demand that you be an American citizen and

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Speaker 1: it's it's scary. And when Bad Bunny to Me was

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Speaker 1: announced as the headliner for this year's Super Bowl, I

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Speaker 1: thought to myself, genius yet again, another clever but not

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Oh, this this is genius considering

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Speaker 1: he's unapologetic about his heritage and his culture. He refused

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Speaker 1: to me about Bad Bunny is that he is not

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Speaker 1: I love it. Why must we be so ethnocentric? Why

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Speaker 1: but you can't criticize others who enjoy new things, are

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Speaker 1: curious about new music. The Bad Bunny Story is quintessentially

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Speaker 1: culture and entertainment and how they all intercept. Days after

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Speaker 1: trusted advisor of Donald Trump. President Donald Trump said, yes,

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Speaker 1: And with that being said, I so appreciate you for

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Speaker 1: being here for four seasons. People who have been lawyerful

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Speaker 1: season five. We're getting big names, big big big names.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully the interviews will be just as naked and honest,

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Speaker 1: right back in just a few moments. Congratulations to the

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas aces. These ladies. These ladies are special, this

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Speaker 1: twenty six season. Peep Peep, bp BP take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Angelies. I think it's will be right now.

429
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Speaker 2: Obviously, what was basketball is Scott rocketing, and it's important

430
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Speaker 2: for us to get who we want now, but not

431
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Speaker 2: just now, but for.

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Speaker 1: The future as well.

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Speaker 5: And it's really nice to have that may not be

434
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Speaker 5: playing for ten more years, but they are speaking for

435
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Speaker 5: us because they know how important it is right now.

436
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Speaker 1: So listen now, y'all not going want to hear this.

437
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Speaker 1: You're not definitely not going to hear this from me,

438
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, for sure. I gotta be honest

439
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: with you. If the players decide to walk away right now,

440
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: it could be detrimental to the growth that they have

441
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: experienced thus far. And I hate to have a scary

442
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: house mentality. I do not. I'm thinking business wise. I'm

443
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: thinking momentum. When you have momentum and you stop, it's

444
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: hard to find that same momentum that pushes you forward.

445
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm speaking from experience. I'm speaking from watching it happen

446
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: in the past, from previous lockouts that happened in the

447
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: NBA where players who were projected to go, you know,

448
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: top five in the draft didn't get the money they

449
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: were supposed to get because they were in a lockout,

450
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: and then they had to wait, and then there were

451
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: other players that were more exciting than them, it's happened.

452
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Speaker 1: I don't believe a lockout is the answer. I really

453
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Speaker 1: truly don't. We hear players say like, you know, angels like, look,

454
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Speaker 1: we're not afraid to walk away. They hope they better

455
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: not get a lockout. Players are not afraid. These women

456
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: are not afraid. That's also encouraging. Right, women are fearless,

457
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: very different than men. They really are in the sense of,

458
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Speaker 1: I really don't have anything to lose, so why not

459
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Speaker 1: fight for what I have? Right now? That's the mentality

460
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: a lot of these players have. Look, I'm making how

461
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: much money am I making? I make this, I make

462
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Speaker 1: more salary wise, I make more than in shooting a

463
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Speaker 1: commercial than I do from my actual salary where I

464
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Speaker 1: do my job job. When I do my job job,

465
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: my real job, it pays me less than my marketing deal.

466
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Speaker 1: It pays me less than the commercial that I just shot.

467
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Speaker 1: It pays me less than my shoe deal. So why

468
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: not go balls to the wall, right? Why not be

469
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: like yo, I'm gonna let it all hang out. Give

470
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Speaker 1: us our money. And when you say give us our money,

471
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: and this argument, I mean, this argument is far and wide.

472
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: I have this argument with a lot of players. Draymond

473
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: Green and I go back and forth. He's like, look,

474
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Speaker 1: the league ain't making no money. True, the league is

475
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: not a profitable league as of yet. Teams are valued,

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Speaker 1: you know, upwards up three hundred to four hundred to

477
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars. But is the league turning a

478
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: profit yet? No, it's not. But that does not mean

479
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: the players should not benefit. There are plenty of businesses

480
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Speaker 1: outside of the WNBA that aren't turning a profit. That

481
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Speaker 1: don't mean you don't pay your employees. Your employees still

482
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Speaker 1: got to get paid, and they should be paid their

483
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Speaker 1: worth and their value. If you want to continue to

484
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Speaker 1: watch this growth, this momentum, pay them. I don't. And

485
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Speaker 1: this is and this is for the men who listen

486
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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I don't think the women should be

487
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Speaker 1: getting forty million a year, like y'all like, come on,

488
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: it's a truncated season, it's different, it doesn't have the

489
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Speaker 1: same history, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But they

490
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Speaker 1: do need to get paid. Now. This article that I

491
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: am getting ready to share with you in terms of

492
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Speaker 1: assessing the WNBACBA negotiations from salaries, from salaries to salary cap.

493
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Speaker 1: It was written by a guy named Kevin Pelton, and

494
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Speaker 1: this is from ESPN. So Kevin says the headline for

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00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: any new CBA will undoubtedly be increased salaries for the players.

496
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Speaker 1: The last renegotiation boosted the maximum salary for stars from

497
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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen thousand a year in twenty nineteen

498
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Speaker 1: to two hundred and fifteen thousand and twenty twenty. So

499
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: essentially MAC salary is one hundred and seventeen thousand to

500
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen thousand now was in twenty twenty,

501
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Speaker 1: with the cap jumping by more than thirty percent, from

502
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Speaker 1: nine hundred and ninety six one thousand per team to

503
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: one point three million per team. Right, so that's a

504
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: lot of money. That's a lot of money for a

505
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Speaker 1: team to pay out all of its players, considering what

506
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: some people would say a sport that wasn't paying anybody.

507
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: But everyone's tired of that, and the women want to

508
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Speaker 1: make more money. One team source has said, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to paraphrase this, MAC salaries for players could reach

510
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: up to a million dollars. These ladies can make a

511
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Speaker 1: million dollars a year now, which would simply increase this

512
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: salary cap three hundred percent. That means each team could

513
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: possibly be spending four to five million dollars per roster. Right,

514
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: four to five million dollars in a roster. That doesn't

515
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Speaker 1: seem like a lot of money to me, It really doesn't.

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Speaker 1: You mean to tell me you have the Las Vegas

517
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Speaker 1: Aces and four of their players are getting mac salary,

518
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Speaker 1: which is a million dollars each. So that's four million dollars. Well,

519
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: what about the rest of the players? Right, they don't

520
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: get any money. That's why a million dollars doesn't seem

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00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: like a lot of money to me. It is a

522
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Speaker 1: lot of money, yes it is, but in comparison, I

523
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Speaker 1: don't want to hear these people say, you make a

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year, you should be happy. That's what

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Speaker 1: they deserve. That's what these say. Does Angel Wilson deserve

526
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: a million dollars a year? I think so. Does Stewie

527
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: deserve a million dollars a year? I think so? Does

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00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark deserve a million dollars a year? Does Angel

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00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: Rees deserve a million dollars a year? When I put

530
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: it in those terms, it makes perfect sense, it really does.

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Speaker 1: And that's what these players are asking for, and then

532
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: they're saying the league minimum would jump from that seventy

533
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Speaker 1: five thousand. We're hovers around seventy five thousand dollars a year,

534
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: it would hover to about two fifty. So if I'm

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Speaker 1: a rookie and I come into the league and I'm

536
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Speaker 1: coming out of college and I make two fifty, I

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Speaker 1: feel good. That's that feels fair to me. I like

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00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: to see these women win in the more money, the

539
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: more power, the more access, the more the more that

540
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: they are able to be more confident about who they

541
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: are because they know their value. Now they're not making

542
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: you will never see what what does Steph get two

543
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million? At one point, I don't know

544
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Speaker 1: in my lifetime if I'll see a moment where women

545
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: will be paid two hundred and fifty million dollars. And

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00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: the reason why that that's it's going to take some

547
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: time is because they don't. They do not, I repeat,

548
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: do not turn a profit the way that the NBA does.

549
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: They will eventually, but give them what they're worth right

550
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: now at least give them some incentive to play harder,

551
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: make more, create little WNBA stars who are at home

552
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: watching them, who want to grow up and say, Mommy,

553
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: I want to be a WNBA player. That's what's happening

554
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: right now. Little girls are watching them on television saying

555
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: I want to be a WNBA player, and I salute that.

556
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: I really truly salute that we're getting ready. And a

557
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: part of me here comes the feminists in me. There's

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Speaker 1: a part in my spirit that feels the reason why

559
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: we get so much pushback and the reason why we

560
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: hear so many people say they don't deserve more money,

561
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: and they use the excuse of the WNBA. Isn't turning

562
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: a prophet, no one's watching, it's not the same, etc. Etc.

563
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: Insert whatever excuse you want. Is because most people know.

564
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Once women know they're worth and their power, they're really unstoppable.

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00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: They turn into superheroes. And by that I mean they're advocates.

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Speaker 1: They fight for what's right, they speak up, they're not

567
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: afraid to say what's wrong. They want to change the world.

568
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Women just do that naturally. That's just who we are instinctively.

569
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Speaker 1: That's that mothering spirit that God has given us to

570
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: birth children to raise them right and to also see

571
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: a better world for the children that we have. Like

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00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: it just happens that way. It just does, whether you

573
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: have children or not. We just lean that way. That's

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Speaker 1: what women do. And they don't want to see these

575
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: women have the power. That's what I think. I think silently,

576
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: if you get inside someone psyche, we give them all

577
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: this money, they don't have too much power ring to

578
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: be able to shut them up, and they gonna think

579
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: they run the world. Men think like that. They'm gonna

580
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: tell you that out loud. A lot of men do

581
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: think like that, especially men in power. I'm not anti man.

582
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: I love my man, but I'm telling you so. With

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00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: that being said, these women are now looking at a

584
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Speaker 1: base salary that could hover at two hundred thousand dollars

585
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: somewhere upwards of two hundred thousand dollars a year to

586
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: a max of a million dollars. And I say, good

587
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: on you. You deserve. Still a long way to go,

588
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: but you deserve. And when I name players like Asia Wilson,

589
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: Chelsea Gray, Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark, it's hard to argue

590
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Speaker 1: that these women do not deserve max salaries. It really

591
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: truly is. It's insane. Yeah, Asia Wilson will go down

592
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: as one of the greatest of all time, not only

593
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: in this actual sport of basketball, but as an athlete,

594
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: because how superior she is. And if you tell me

595
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: she retires and the most she ever made was half

596
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: a million dollars, I want you to be appalled. I

597
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: want you to be offended. We should pay for that

598
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: greatness when we come back. What is next for women's sports.

599
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: I have a lot to say about that, not a lot,

600
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: but enough back in a moment. I'm curious, champion, and

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00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: welcome back to atlous In. Why see and what we're

602
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna do for you right now is you know, I'm

603
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: going to try to calm my nerves. Serena. You know,

604
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Speaker 1: I know I get to often interview you, but it's

605
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: a highlight of the career. I was thinking this when

606
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: you were giving Shelley Anne Fraser Price or Crown. I

607
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: thought to myself, I wonder what it feels like for

608
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Speaker 1: her to be in this moment. I'm curious when Alexis

609
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: came to you and said I'm thinking of doing this

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Speaker 1: one of a kind invitational and I really want to

611
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Speaker 1: highlight track and field. What was your input and or suggestions.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've learned don't doubt Alexis because he builds businesses.

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Speaker 1: And he makes a great and so we've seen what

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Speaker 1: he did with.

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Speaker 5: Soccer and so many other people that he believed in

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Speaker 5: and how it just changed their trajectory. And so when

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Speaker 5: he told me about wanting to build something in track

618
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Speaker 5: and field, I of course loved it. I supported it,

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Speaker 5: and then I thought, Wow, why hasn't this been done before?

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Speaker 1: So last week, by the time you hear this podcast,

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago, right two weeks ago, I was able

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Speaker 1: to host anchor on a live broadcast. Aflos NYC. Aflosh

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Speaker 1: In YC is a track and field invitational. It's a

624
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: live event that streamed on ESPN Air on Ion Network,

625
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: was streamed on YouTube and x and you name it.

626
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 1: And the event is to highlight the women of track

627
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: and field. It's sponsored and or created by Alexis Ohanian.

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00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: He is Serena Williams's husband, and Alexis shared he was

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Speaker 1: on a media tour, a blitz if you will, the

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Speaker 1: reason why he came up with this idea and why

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Speaker 1: he felt it was important to honor the women of

632
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Speaker 1: track and field. Take a listen, tell me about this vision.

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Speaker 1: To make it even more grand than what we've been

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Speaker 1: able to do here tonight.

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Speaker 3: You know, look, Carrie, the plan was always to build

636
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Speaker 3: a league. The plan was always let's build a Formula

637
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Speaker 3: One of track and field. I love Formula One.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It is a bunch of guys going around as fast

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Speaker 3: as they can from point at a point, be in cars.

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Speaker 2: That is awesome.

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Speaker 3: It's a great sport. What we're offering here is human

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Speaker 3: beings going as fast as they can from point at

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Speaker 3: a point, be jumping as far as they can from

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Speaker 3: point at eight point b. If that can't be as

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Speaker 3: big or bigger, I don't believe it. We see how

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Speaker 3: captivating the sport is during the Olympics. I want to

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Speaker 3: see what happens in between. I want to see Team

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Speaker 3: Nike versus Team Adidas, versus Team New Balance versus Team Puma.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we hope to bring the life next

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Speaker 3: year for our league.

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Speaker 1: The reason that I am highlighting this particular event not

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Speaker 1: only because obviously I was a part of it and

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Speaker 1: it was a great event to honor. It's the second annual.

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Speaker 1: The first year we did it, which was last year.

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Speaker 1: The first year we did it, it was beautiful. Gabby

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Speaker 1: Thomas was coming off of her Olympic year where she

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Speaker 1: won three gold medals and she was a superstar and

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Speaker 1: everyone wanted to have her attention. And she ran in

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Speaker 1: the event and she won, and she got a big

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Speaker 1: person a Tiffany crown. That's his thing. Each each winner

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Speaker 1: gets a Tiffany crown, literally from Tiffany. It's a crown,

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Speaker 1: a big crown they place on your head. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the value of the crown. I know it's expensive,

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Speaker 1: and I was trying to still them. They don't allow

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Speaker 1: you to do that. Side note, But what he is

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Speaker 1: doing is saying, I see your value. I think that

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Speaker 1: you women of track and field should be honored year round,

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Speaker 1: not just every four years when the Olympics come around.

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Speaker 1: And the investment in women's sports is so important because

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Speaker 1: we are on a bubble right now. Side note. Alexis

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Speaker 1: o'hanian was a co founder of Reddit, co founder of

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Speaker 1: Reddit okay, And so if he sees a value, if

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Speaker 1: he sees value in something, I trust and believe that

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Speaker 1: he knows that it's a billion dollar business, but it's

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Speaker 1: important to value it. I trust that so Athlos NYC.

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Speaker 1: Is just one of many franchises that we are starting

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Speaker 1: to see develop that suggests that we need more investment

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Speaker 1: in women's sports, because not only are the dollars there,

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Speaker 1: the fans are there. It's see I'm if you have money.

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Speaker 1: Anybody listened to this podcast, you had extra ten twenty

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars line around. Give it to me. No

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Speaker 1: invest in women's sports in any possible way. That would

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Speaker 1: be a solid investment. You know how people give you

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Speaker 1: stock tips. My tip would be women's sports. He did

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Speaker 1: this huge, one of a kind invitational tera Davis Woodhall,

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Speaker 1: who is obviously a superstar in track and field in

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Speaker 1: the jump long jump, and she is amazing. She was there.

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Speaker 1: She was the headliner. This year. We had Shelley Ann

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Speaker 1: Fraser Price, who is Jamaican Royalty, the sprinter. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you guys saw that meme that when viral.

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Speaker 1: She went to her kid's school and she ran against

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Speaker 1: the other parents and left them in the dust. She

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Speaker 1: is royalty track and field royalty Sonya Richards Ross is

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Speaker 1: on the broadcast with me. She's another olympian who is royalty.

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Speaker 1: He put together an all star event with people with

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Speaker 1: big names, and he invited big players to come and

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Speaker 1: sit and watch these women and then he had Sierra perform.

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Speaker 1: It was huge. I don't know how many millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars he has invested. He hasn't invested in this, but

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Speaker 1: it's paying off because we're starting to see people talk

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Speaker 1: about track and field in a way that we've never

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Speaker 1: done before. The future of women's sports is huge. And

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Speaker 1: there are people who will roll their eyes and be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of talking about women. It's boring. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. You're on a late train. You are on

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Speaker 1: the late train. You're gonna wish that you could have

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Speaker 1: been like one of these owners who bought a WNBA

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Speaker 1: team for three hundred thousand dollars and now it's worth

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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars upwards of two hundred million dollars. Fifteen

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Speaker 1: is low evaluation, right Can you imagine buying a team

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Speaker 1: for a million dollars an how it's worth, however much,

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Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars. I'm about to get the numbers

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Speaker 1: for the New York Liberty because it's crazy. The story

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Speaker 1: about let the New York Liberty is just a side note.

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Speaker 1: Has been evaluated cost in the beginning has been valuated

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Speaker 1: for so much. I mean I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: four hundred million now, But when the New York Liberty

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Speaker 1: was actually purchased, they bought that for oh gosh, oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness. I'm not even gonna put you the numbers

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Speaker 1: on here. This is disgusting. This is disgusting to think

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Speaker 1: how much they about the New York Liberty. For one second, here,

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Speaker 1: just making sure I get it all right. The cost

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Speaker 1: to purchase the New York Liberty in the beginning not

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Speaker 1: necessarily public, but the estimate was somewhere between twelve and

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Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars when they bought the team in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: That's still a lot of money, right to spend on

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Speaker 1: a team and have an investment. But fast forward to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. How much is the New York Liberty worth?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: How much is the New York Liberty worth? Now? I

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Speaker 1: bought that team in twenty seventeen, and eight years later,

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Speaker 1: the team is worth four hundred million dollars. Tell me

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Speaker 1: that's not an investment. Tell me that's not an investment.

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Speaker 1: I dare you to tell me you should invest in

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Speaker 1: women's sports. And I'm sure that twelve million dollars and

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Speaker 1: that's approximate, could be less, could be a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't just all their money. They probably got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people put some money together. We got twelve million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and buy this team. Eight years later,

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Speaker 1: it's worth four hundred million dollars. That's what alexis Ohanian

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Speaker 1: is doing with track and field. He's investing in that sport.

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Speaker 1: He has a vision to expand it. Now it's a

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Speaker 1: once a year event held in New York. He wants

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Speaker 1: to go to different cities and have different track and

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Speaker 1: field teams with different Olympians, so that these women can

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Speaker 1: get paid one and that they can also see their

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Speaker 1: value two and three. He can expand the sport. He

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Speaker 1: said his wife. I don't know if you ever heard

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Speaker 1: of her, Serena Williams, as I said earlier, she was

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Speaker 1: the first ever, the first ever to make tennis a

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Speaker 1: household name. Her and her sister made tennis a household name,

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Speaker 1: much like Tiger may golf a household name, meaning I

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Speaker 1: want to golf. I want to play tennis here in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about here in America. Yes, we've had our grades,

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Speaker 1: we've had our Andrea Agassi's We've had our pizza zampresses.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to tennis, we've had a lot of

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Speaker 1: stars in tennis, but in terms of reach changing the

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Speaker 1: face of tennis, Serena and Venus no questions asked. I'll

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Speaker 1: fight you. I'll take your wig off and fight you.

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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. I remember it like it was yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: was in high school. My teachers were watching golf in

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Speaker 1: the lunch room because this kid named Tiger Woods was unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: and they just they let us sit up there and

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Speaker 1: read a book until they came back to see if

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Speaker 1: he was going to win the Open. Tiger Woods have

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Speaker 1: my uncle playing golf. Uncle don't know how to play golf,

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Speaker 1: literally changing the face of golf, making sure that everybody

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Speaker 1: understands they too can be a part of it. And

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Speaker 1: so when you marry someone like that, of course and

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Speaker 1: you have two little girls, of course you want to

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Speaker 1: be involved in sports. And I say all that to say,

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Speaker 1: we're going a very long way in women's sports. This

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Speaker 1: whole podcast. I'm wrapping up season four with this because

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Speaker 1: I do understand that the future of women's sports is

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Speaker 1: big and bright. We have a few question marks with

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Speaker 1: the CBA agreement I hope the women do not strike,

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Speaker 1: but if they decide to lock out, that's their choice.

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Speaker 1: But moving forward, understand that we are on an upward

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Speaker 1: trajectory and what is happening is history, and if you

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Speaker 1: don't stop and pay attention to it, you'll miss it.

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Speaker 1: It'll pass you by. And it's so important. It's so

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Speaker 1: important because, as I started the podcast, sports is connected

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Speaker 1: to politics, is connected to culture, is connected to entertainment.

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Speaker 1: It's a through line. What happens on the court will

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Speaker 1: eventually affect what happens off the court and how we

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Speaker 1: live and how we move, especially for women. And if

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Speaker 1: you're a man listening and you you're like, I don't care,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. You have you get to have a daughter,

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Speaker 1: don't change your mind, change your mind. You're gonna want

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Speaker 1: her to have all the opportunities in the world and

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Speaker 1: the respect in the world, and not to be othered

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Speaker 1: and seeing just like everyone else and get fair chances.

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Speaker 1: That happens when we start to respect women in every field.

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Speaker 1: And it's happening right now. It's so exciting, it's so exciting,

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Speaker 1: it's so exciting, it's so exciting. As a journalist, I'm

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Speaker 1: honored I'm honored to say I remember when I remember

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Speaker 1: when people talked about women's sports and it would be

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Speaker 1: like the hottest ten athletes. You know, a blonde chick

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Speaker 1: was like waft skinny, and everyone thought that she was it.

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Speaker 1: No one talked about anyone's ability. It would be the

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Speaker 1: top ten hottest chicks in sports. Maybe every now and

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Speaker 1: again some athleticism was mixed in the conversation, but not

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Speaker 1: all the time. Congratulations to these ladies who are doing

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Speaker 1: the work. Congratulations to the fans who still support. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to you all for being a part of the conversation

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Speaker 1: because we do need to have different dynamics. We really

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Speaker 1: truly do. Please continue to subscribe, I please keep listening.

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Speaker 1: That is the only way we can do what we do.

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Speaker 1: I have to give many thanks to all of the

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Speaker 1: I can't even single out one. I want to give

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Speaker 1: thanks to my producers, Dwayne Jaquis. I want to give

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Speaker 1: thanks to my engineer, Bahid who sits here and hangs

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Speaker 1: out with me all day, Peaceful Kind. And to the group,

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Speaker 1: the special group that helped put together the making of

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Speaker 1: a Rivalry where we documented Angel Reese and Caitline Clark,

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Speaker 1: Arlene Santana, Olu again, Dwayne and Jacqueis and Dolly, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Dolly at Black Effect and Charlotmgne, Thank you, guys, charloat

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Speaker 1: Mane and God, thank you all for participating in helping

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Speaker 1: us and making sure that this was successful. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to Chanelle as well. I'm just really grateful that people believed,

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Speaker 1: because it's hard to have a passion and then tell

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Speaker 1: and believe with you. I honor that. I understand that

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Speaker 1: does not happen often, and I am truly truly grateful.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you all again, thanks for listening, and I'll

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Speaker 1: see y'all next season. Naked Sports written and executive produced

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Speaker 1: by me Kerry Champion, produced by jacqueses Thomas, Sound designed

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