1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: This is Seahawks Stories fiftieth season edition, presented by Emerald 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: City Athletics. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: Welcome, this is the Seahawks Stories fiftieth season edition. I'm 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Paul Moyer along with Dave Wyman, broadcasting from the Seahawks 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: Podcast Studio, presented by Sony, an official partner of the 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks. And they we have some that's pretty special. 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: And when I say special often I mean somebody who 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: had an influence in your life, and not just an 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: influence temporarily, but you know, twenty thirty years later, and 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the great and late Chuck Knox and 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about some knoxysms. I've been thinking 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: about this segment for a while. It's been exciting. I 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: got to be around Chuck for nine years. Seven is 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: a player and two as a coach. Really fortunate that 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: he gave me an opportunity when I got injured my 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: last year and he said, hey, we want to get 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: you on our coach and staff and see if it's 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: something you want to do. So I was really blessed, 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: and I think about even today, Dave, I still use 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: the noxysms when I coached youth football. I do it 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: in my business for our employees. I'm gonna throw the 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: first one out because there's so many of them. There's 23 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: actually a book I know, our producer Nasa went and 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: grabbed some of the noxim there's actually a paperback of 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: all of his sayings there. But the one that I 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: still do all the time is it's better to be 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: thirty minutes early than one second late. Chuck was big 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: on beyond time, be professional, and I thought his noxysm 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: was to teach us as men how to become men 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: because we're young, right, We're twenty one, twenty two years old, 31 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: coming out of college and now you're in an NFL 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: with a paycheck and responsibilities. And I still do that 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: one to our employees. I said, hey, you know, you 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: don't walk in one second late. It's disrespectful to everybody. 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: I do remember one player. I'm not going to call 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: him out. He's actually he's no longer with us, and 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: you were marry. He's always has a smile on his face. Actually, 38 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna call him that. It was Nesby Glasgow and 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: Nesby when he would walk into my meetings I was 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: coaching at the time, and he would come in and have. 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: A cup of coffee, always with the coffee. 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: Cup of coffee, smile, and he was always late and 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: I go, yes, I go, it's better to be thirty 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: minutes early than one second late. He never quite got 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: that one. But just your thoughts, man, I know we're 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: going to go through a bunch of these naxism but 47 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: maybe some of your faves. 48 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, first of all, I would say, other than 49 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: my own father, he had the biggest influence on me 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: as far as a older male role model. Chuck everything 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: that he said was so pure. And I remember I 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: wrote I wrote an article about Chuck in nineteen ninety. 53 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: I think I was heard, of course, and so I 54 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: was writing for the paper and that it was a 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: Seahawk like magazine or something like that. And one of 56 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: the things I said about Chuck was that he was 57 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: like the Mona Lisa that like, wherever you stand, it 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: looked like he was looking at you. And then whenever 59 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: he made an example, you swear he was talking about you. 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: You just you're like, oh, man, do I do that? 61 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: And you know that that kind of like just being 62 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: aware of, you know, being a professional, and you know 63 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: that he taught me so much from that. But Yeah, 64 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: the I was never late for one single meeting in 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm late all the time now, but back then, man, 66 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: I was. I remember breaking every law you could break 67 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: to get to a meeting that Chuck was going to be, 68 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, of course speaking at to get there on time, 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: because he just instilled that in you. And so, yeah, 70 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: there are so many different things. But one of the things, 71 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: you know that kind of relates to the whole mona 72 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: Lisa thing. You know, you always thought he was looking 73 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: at you. You always thought he was talking about you. 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: And he would always go this guy over here, he 75 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: thinks he's watching film. He's not, man, he's just watching 76 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: the game. I'm like, is that me? I think he's 77 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: talking about me. 78 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: They know I didn't watch film last night. 79 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he would always be like, this guy over here, 80 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, that's probably me he's talking about. 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: He would just. 82 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: To elaborate on that because he would come out to 83 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: practice and he would wear his baseball cap and it 84 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: was it was down just low enough and it was 85 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: kind of shadowed so you couldn't see necessarily his eyes, 86 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: and he would overlook the whole team as we were 87 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: stretching and every player thought he was looking at him. 88 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 89 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: And what's for those who don't know, Mona Lisa, what's 90 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: the one Disneyland ride where the ghost one mansion. You know, 91 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: when you go in through there and you start to 92 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: go to the next level or whatever after the you 93 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: know you're in the cart ride, and that they have 94 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: that one pitcher that and any painting that looks at 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: you the whole way and follows you. I was thought 96 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: that that was Chuck Knox. But Chuck also commanded respect. 97 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: I mean when he walked in the room, the place 98 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: went silent. Yes, you know, and it's you know, I 99 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: think probably Mike Holmgren had that as well. You know, 100 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: just a couple of things before that, you know, on 101 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 2: Chuck Knox. You know, he spent nine of his twenty 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: two seasons coaching. I was a huge Ram fan before 103 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: he went to Buffalo, and then my first year he 104 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: came from Buffalo to Seattle in nineteen eighty three. It 105 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: took us to the playoffs for the very first time 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty three. Four times we went to the playoff. 107 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: When he left, he was the winning his coach in 108 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: Seahawks history at the time. Four time Coach of the Year. 109 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: I believe at the time that was the only coach 110 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: who had ever had that. He'd taken four different teams 111 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: to the playoffs, never got to the super Bowl, which 112 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: is a bummer because he would be in the Hall 113 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: of Fame. He was that successful of a coach and 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: he was. Eventually he was inducted to the Seahawks Ring 115 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: of Honor on September twenty fifth, two thousand and five, 116 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: which was was awesome. But he he had this this 117 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: command when he walked in a room and he was 118 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: dressed and peccable. You know, he always had the sweater. 119 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: Everything was was was was dry cleaned and tight. And 120 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: I remember the way he would wear his rings. 121 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of the yepig diamond. 122 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: Always had the Rolex type of gold watch. When he 123 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: was an l A Ram coach, you know, he was 124 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: pretty well connected with those guys, I mean, the stars, 125 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: you know, probably the old Frank Sinatras of the world. 126 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: You know, knew about Chuck Knox. So whenever we went 127 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: into play the Raiders at the time when they were 128 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: in LA Chuck would spend a little more time away 129 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: from the team and come to the he would come 130 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: to the late team meeting feeling pretty good. You know, 131 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: he liked a couple of Scotches there at at the 132 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: time too, So but you know, I just want to 133 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: go through some of these these favorite quotes. I threw 134 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: my again, the one I still used. Yeah, what's the 135 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: one you still use today? 136 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: You know, I think, don't tell me how rough the 137 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: water is. Just bring the ship in. Yeah, and there's 138 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: lots of different some people say boatduh, but yeah, it 139 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: to me that was all encompassing, right, like everybody is 140 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: going to experience hardships. So but just just get it done, 141 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, don't sit around and don't complain, basically is 142 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: what he was saying. And I remember real quick one story. 143 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: I remember one of my favorite moments in the NFL, 144 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: because you didn't if Chuck came over to you to 145 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: talk to you, it was usually a problem. Yeah. And 146 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: I remember when I got I got traded to the 147 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, I failed the physical, I came back 148 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: and then I played well in nineteen eighty eight, and 149 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: about halfway through I was walking past him in the 150 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: hallway and I'm like, oh, please, please don't recognize me, please, 151 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, I was just afraid that you know, he 152 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: was going to say something negative or whatever, and you 153 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: never wanted to hear from Chuck. Uh. And he said 154 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: to me, I am so glad that that worked out. 155 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: You know, you're staying here and you're playing great football. 156 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: And I was like, that was That was one of 157 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: my favorite moments in the NFL, just getting that kind 158 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: of praise from Chuck because he didn't give it out 159 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: a lot, and when he did, it was it was special. 160 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: It was memorable. 161 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't call out players. He did what you said. 162 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: He would talk about a moment and everybody thought that 163 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: he was talking about you, right, you know, from a 164 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: negative standpoint, he usually would he would pray. He didn't 165 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: give praise for doing your job. He gave praise for 166 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: extraordinary performance, right, And and he would and he wanted 167 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: to create an environment that you wanted to make place. 168 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: He wanted to be a part of that. I kind 169 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: of had the same experience, Dave. I mean, I end 170 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: up coaching with him, and I tell the story I 171 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: go so. I think he spoke to me four or 172 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: five times in my career. One of them was nineteen 173 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: eighty three, my first year, he walked up to me 174 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: says welcome to Seattle. You know, nice to have you. 175 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: And I was like, I was starstruck as Chuck Knox. 176 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: I grew up an La Ran fan, you know, down 177 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: in Orange count I mean, he was the guy. And 178 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: then in nineteen eighty four, we were playing preseason. I 179 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: knew it had made the team and stuff, and it 180 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: was the last preseason game. There's a guy that came 181 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: across the middle and I kind of just wrapped him up. 182 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: I didn't really hit him, and he said, hey, you 183 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: know what you're here now right. It was like two 184 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: days later when we got back to camp and I 185 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: said coach, and he goes, you're here to hit people, 186 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: you know. You know, don't don't let me say that again. 187 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: I okay, gotcha. Nineteen eighty eight, we're playing Houston Warren Moon. 188 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: I intercept a pass in the end zone, and you know, 189 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: we ended up winning the game kind of partly because 190 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: of that. And he walks up me and goes, hey, 191 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 2: that interception couldn't have come at about it time. And I'm thinking, wow, 192 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: I remember when I had the interception. And this is 193 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: again you wanted his praise. They had the film of 194 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: me going down the sideline right past him. I can't 195 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: rewinded it to see if he was excited, and he was. 196 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 197 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: But and then finally I was nineteen eighty nine, I 198 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: had basically needed to retire because of my neck. They said, hey, 199 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: you've had a great career. He goes, I think you 200 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: should retire, and how would you like to join our 201 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: coaching staff? And I'm like, huh, you know, I mean 202 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: that was that was interesting. I got to know him 203 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: much better when I was a coach guy was around 204 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: him a lot more in meetings and stuff, and he 205 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: was a great mentor. You know another one that I God, 206 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: there's so many great ones out there, Dave. You know 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: these are famous people. You're gonna Seahawk fans can remember 208 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: some of these play the hand or dealt that was. 209 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: That probably is the one that sums it up. Yeah, 210 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: the best. They'll complain the same thing, same messages. They'll 211 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: tell me how rough the water is. The other one here, 212 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: and this is probably my favorite, is if football were easy, 213 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: then everybody could do it. And he would uh, he 214 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: would expand on that one, you know, and he would 215 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: say every once in a while, he'd say, hey, if 216 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: this game was easy, there'd be so many suckers parked 217 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: outside the Kingdome wanting to play football that you know, 218 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: you couldn't get a parking spot if it was easy, 219 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: you know. And that that, you know, I thought, was 220 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, his way of saying, hey, look, I know 221 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: I know it's hard, but look that's that's the way 222 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: it is in the NFL. This is the best of 223 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: the best. 224 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, there's there's a couple that run together. But 225 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: I again, he has a six piece and he would 226 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: always really emphasize the p part. He is say, proper 227 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: preparation prevents piss poor performance. And if you go through 228 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: there another one that was tied into because people say 229 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: they're ready, but are they prepared? They're ready for everything, 230 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: but prepared for nothing, right, And it was kind of 231 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: that everybody wants to be good, you know, everybody wants this, 232 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: but you know you got to go out and do it. 233 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: I mean you got to be prepared for it. I 234 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: mean uh, And it was really big again, be professional, 235 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: complain about nothing. You know, do the very very best 236 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: you can be. You can't just be ordinary in this game. 237 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: I know you're looking at some of these days. 238 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was just going through some working will 239 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: wishing won't was was always a good one. I love 240 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: that part of it. But yeah, they were just so 241 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: like fundamental. Yeah, these uh, these you know, they can 242 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: be used in you know, in parenthood and everything. And 243 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: I remember a couple of times my kids would say, yeah, 244 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: this isn't football, you know, and I'm like, yes, it is, 245 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: damn it. It's kind of like, I mean, parenting and 246 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: you know all the things that you know your your 247 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: job after after football is uh yeah, these things all apply. 248 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: I mean, they're just universal. There's so many good ones. 249 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: Practice does not make perfect, perfect, practice makes perfect. And 250 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: this one sticks and I hear it still from former players. 251 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 2: What you do speak so well, no need to hear 252 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: what you say. That was a big a rookie one, 253 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: but it was basically, man, don't talk, go out and 254 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: get it done. He hated that. I mean, he didn't 255 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: like the grand standing. And I would say, look, ninety 256 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: eight percent of us, man, we were intimidated by Chuck Again. 257 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: He walked in the room. You wanted his praise, You 258 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: were worried, you know, about being scolded. I only had 259 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: to go up to his office one time. 260 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: I was. 261 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: It was a good excuse why I was late, but 262 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: I missed a morning meeting, the only one I ever missed, 263 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: and then another one where I was a few pounds overweight, 264 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: and he said, hey, now you know what's going on 265 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: with that? And I'm like, well, I'm at six percent 266 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 2: body fat. I don't know what else to do. And 267 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: they didn't understand it back then. But you were so 268 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: fearful going up those stairs having to deal with them. 269 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: But then he had his guys who were not afraid 270 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: of them. I mean Kenny easily, Jacob Green, Dave Craig, 271 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: probably Steve Large, but I think Dave, Jacob, and Kenny 272 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: he really, you know, made them the leaders of the 273 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: team and felt, I think he could confide in them. 274 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: But these knoxisms, man, they stand a test of time. 275 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: You can go through again. There's hundreds of them. And 276 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: he repeated him often. He knew that you had to 277 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: hear things over and over. It's just like a repetition. 278 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: Always say you got to have, you know, whatever amount 279 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: of repetition to get where you're not thinking about it anymore. 280 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: And he did that with this also. And I don't 281 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: know if I brought it up earlier or not, but 282 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: when I talked with him about being a coach and 283 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: what he worked hard on. One of the big ones 284 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: was his morning meetings and the night before game his speeches, 285 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: and every morning he said he would spend two three 286 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: hours preparing for his morning talk with the team. He 287 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: wanted everybody on the same page. If you remember Dave. 288 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: He would go through the offense what the offense needed 289 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: to do. He would do with the defense what they 290 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: needed to do, and it was to say, look, this 291 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: is what we need to do to come together. You know, 292 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: maybe offense, we got to run the ball. Here's what 293 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: we've got to emphasize. Defensively, here's what we got to emphasize. 294 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: Special teams. And then he would do a motivational speech 295 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: and he spent hours on it. And so for anybody 296 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: they would say, hey, you know, how do you be 297 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: a great coach and things? Those are the thing? Man, 298 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: It's THENX systems. Man, it's just you got to go 299 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: and put your time into it to become the very 300 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: very best you can be, even if it's sitting in 301 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: front of your team for the five hundredth time, how 302 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: do you make that special? And I always got fired 303 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: up dated I know some guys went like, ah, you 304 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: know after a while, he never once that they did 305 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: not fire me up. 306 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you know that my rookie year, the very 307 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: first meeting ever when he walked in the room and 308 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: everybody just went dead silent. I was looking around like, 309 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: I've never seen that before. But I think another thing 310 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: that I think helped me become a man in the 311 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: NFL because your kids, you know, you're coming out of college. 312 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: And you know I mentioned earlier I got traded to 313 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. I had, you know, one of 314 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: the best agents in the NFL, which was Marvin Demoth, 315 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: and so you know, I've been talking to him and 316 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: they which we'll get into, uh, you know, when they 317 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: got Brian Bosworth, but you know, I was drafted to 318 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: come in and replace Keith Butler and so then they 319 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: got boz and so you know, my agent said, you 320 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: need to go into Chuck's office and talk to him 321 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: and tell him that you want to be traded. And 322 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, what have you met Chuck? And so I 323 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: did it. I went in there and I just you know, 324 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: I was very respectful and he I was surprised that 325 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: he just he listened and he's like Okay, well I 326 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: understand and you know, and then they end up trading me. 327 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: I failed the physical. They send me back a year later. 328 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: Chuck tells me he's glad that that that didn't go through. 329 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: But that was a part of growing up and becoming 330 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: a man for me, because I had to go into 331 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: and look Chuck in the eye and tell him I 332 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: want to be traded. That was That was tough man. 333 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: That took a lot to that would be. 334 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: I don't honestly dat I don't know if I could 335 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: do it back then, you know, I don't know if 336 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: I could do it today. I mean, he was. He 337 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: really was that intimidate, even though he's such a nice 338 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: guy when you got him away from football and maybe 339 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, maybe a cocktail. But when I was coaching, 340 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: I mean, he just he would let his guard down 341 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: every once in a while, not often. I mean, you 342 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: want some intimidating meetings going into you know, the nights 343 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: of the round table, we would have our own room. 344 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 2: Chuck was always at the head of the table. Same thing. 345 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: We're all laughing, and his coaches, he walks in the room, 346 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 2: pen drop, everybody shut up. No one really challenged him. 347 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: Rusty A little every once in a while, George Dyer 348 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: would do it as well. Almost nobody else Joe Vic could, 349 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: but he never did. He knew his place, and yeah, 350 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: it was just it was I've never been around somebody 351 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: like that where you know. Again, I think it was 352 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 2: orchestrated as well. He wanted that type of aura because 353 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 2: when he would finally, you know, everybody's talking in the 354 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: you know, you got sixty guys in a room, it's 355 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: everybody's joking around, it's loud. And then down the corridor 356 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: you could, you knew because it started to get quiet, 357 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: and then he would have kind of an entourage come 358 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: with him. He never was by himself, right, And then 359 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: he'd walk in the room and usually the coaches they 360 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: would start to spread out. And yeah, there was some 361 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: some intimidating times, man, But what a great coach. He 362 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 2: really was a fantastic coach. He really was a great 363 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: coach before he became a head coach. He was a 364 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: great offensive line line coach. 365 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I remember used to put his hat 366 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: on backwards and get down there and teach offensive line play. 367 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: And but yeah, I mean he just he was very consistent, 368 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, And that's one of the messages you have 369 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: to have as a as a coach, you have to 370 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: be you have to treat every player the same. You 371 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: have your standards. Another one for me, and I used 372 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: this a lot when I was parenting, don't piss in 373 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: my face and tell me it's raining. I love that one. 374 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of crude, but like, yeah, I 375 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: mean that that is just don't bs me. Come on, 376 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: you and I both know that this is this is 377 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: BS what you're telling me, So let's not embarrass one another. 378 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: And uh, you tell me the truth. 379 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to speak real soft so you can listen 380 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 2: real hard. 381 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: You know. 382 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: There's the other thing about it. He was innovative. You 383 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: know when it was ground chuck when I first got there, 384 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: and then my my second year in eighty four, we 385 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: lost Kurt Warner the opening game of the season and 386 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: we became you know, Eric Coriel, you know overnight. I 387 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: mean we were throwing the ball all over the place 388 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: with Chuck, and so Chuck would adapt. There was Dave, 389 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: you remember this too. There's a lot of coaches that 390 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: just do the same thing over and over, and that's 391 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: why he wanted to try and make it at least 392 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: sound different or feel different. That's where he worked so 393 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: hard in the morning speeches. But he was about winning. 394 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: He was very competitive. They had an NFL deal. I 395 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 2: don't know if it was Jenny Craig or whatever, but 396 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: it was to lose weight for charity, and they took 397 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: you know, probably the ten most popular coaches at the time. 398 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: I think Joe Gibbs was one of them, and then Chuck, 399 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: and Chuck won it. I mean, he lost so much 400 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: weight it looked kind of eerie. 401 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he. 402 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: Was everybody says there competitive, but there are some guys 403 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: you go, oh, that he's competitive. 404 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: He was going to win. 405 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: He was gonna And so now let me fast forward, 406 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: you know, a few years or may actually it might 407 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 2: have been backwards for you, because I think this was 408 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: probably like nineteen ninety or ninety one. But nineteen eighty eight, 409 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: we're playing the Cincinnati Bengals in the playoffs and they 410 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: have the first real, no no huddle, hurry up offense, 411 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: and so they wouldn't let you substitute on third down defensively, 412 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 2: and so we're going to the playf Luckily, we had 413 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: a week off because we had won the division that 414 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: year and Chuck had a game plan. He said, Hey, 415 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: we're going to get our personnel on to match their personnel. 416 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: And the way we're going to do it is, we're 417 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: going to have Joe Nash and I'll let you tell 418 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: the story. You know it better, but Joe Nash and 419 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: for those who don't remember, we're going to tell the story. 420 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: And for those who do, it's to bring back some history. 421 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: He would have to fake an injury. And then partly 422 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: because Joe, we could get him off the field and 423 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: put in another pass rusher or another defensive back to 424 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: match up with their third down package. And there's nothing 425 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: in the rules against it. I mean, he couldn't call him, really, 426 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: you're faking it, because fake an injury and so you're 427 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: faking it would be it would be a problem. And 428 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: we did that almost every time, and Chuck was the 429 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: reason for it. He wanted something that we could combat 430 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: what they were doing. He thought what they were doing 431 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: was pushing the rules, and he was going to push 432 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: the rules back. And it worked. Now. The funniest one, though, 433 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: was when Joe was on the other side of the 434 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: light of scrimmage and he went down late and they 435 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: had to crawl himself over so they would see him. 436 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: Huh. 437 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: But I mean it was just some of the funny 438 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 2: or innovative things Jack did. 439 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: Well. I remember poor Joe Nash because everybody in the 440 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: stadium hated him, right and they knew that he was 441 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: up to something. But I remember one one hand up 442 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: was Joe and two was Boogie. Well there was Joe 443 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: was a free agent and Boogie was the first round 444 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: draft choice Jeff Brian I'm talking about. And yeah, Chuck 445 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: couldn't get that second arm up in the air because 446 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: I think Boogie only did it once. Yeah, but Joe 447 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: it must have been like nine or ten times. 448 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: It was pretty much time. 449 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, he found a loophole you 450 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: know too, because it really wasn't really you couldn't match 451 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: up like you said. So, yeah, that was that was interesting. 452 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: Another one I think I told this when when I 453 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: first got in here about he talked about play like 454 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: the guy has his hand in your back pocket. Yeah, 455 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: so we had we had like a thud drill, meaning 456 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna take on the blocker and then you're gonna 457 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: get to the running back and you're gonna you're gonna 458 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: let up. You're just gonna kind of tag him off. Well, 459 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: we had a running back, Tommy Age, who was just 460 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: running through everybody, making everybody look bad. Right, So finally 461 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: I go up and just blast him and knocked him 462 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: on his butt. And Chuck comes over to me and goes, hey, 463 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to get something done here, Dave. 464 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: This is thud tempo blah blah blah. And I go, Chuck, 465 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: he's got his hand in my back pocket and he 466 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: didn't say a word. 467 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 2: I loved it. 468 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he did. And he he's like kind 469 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: of shook his head, turned around, walked off and didn't 470 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: do it again. But yeah, I mean I think he 471 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: understood that. And I thought he really appreciated the fact 472 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: that his little quips that that he had were kind 473 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: of coming back at him, you know, and that was 474 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: just the way of explaining, hey, he's making us look bad. 475 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think he appreciated that. 476 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: I think he appreciate anybody who because he was uncomfortable. 477 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: I remember when I was coaching, I was in a 478 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: room all alone with him. She would have he would 479 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: get a little uncomfortable and say, where's Joe. You know, 480 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: he's very comfortable Joe Vett. I remember one time Jovid said, Hey, 481 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: you got to go pick Chuck up at the airport, 482 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm not picking chuck up at the airport. 483 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 2: I got to drive the whole way. What am I 484 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: going to talk to him about? This is when this 485 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: was my first year coaching, and he was again had 486 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: that intimidation. So my first year coaching, I got I 487 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: running the Scout team. Yeah, the first two years until 488 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: I took over as the position coach, and yeah, you've 489 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: got a book of all the plays, and you've got 490 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 2: to get all the Scout team players and you got 491 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: to count them. And I'll never fore. I had one 492 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: time I had ten guys and they broke the huddle 493 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: and they were missing some many. He goes, Paul, get 494 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: it right, get it right, and I'm like what. But 495 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: he was such an attention to detail, and his point 496 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: to that was, Hey, you got to go meet with 497 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: the Scout team. Here's what we're going to be doing. 498 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: You got to coach him up. I mean, he gave 499 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: me his book. He wrote a book, and he made 500 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: sure I read the book. So he knew philosophy. And 501 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 2: I've never been around a coach that I believe we 502 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: were going to win. When he thought we were going 503 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: to win, he just instilled that confidence. Again. This is 504 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four. We're playing the Raiders and or beat out. 505 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: We don't have a running back, we can't run the ball. 506 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: We've got I don't remember who's playing, Bramowitz or somebody 507 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: at tackle. They've got Howie Long and Alzato and they 508 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 2: got everybody. We can't block anybody. And he had a 509 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: game play. He said, we're going to run this ball 510 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: fifty times. We're gonna run it every I think we 511 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: threw it, you know, nine times, got sack six. I 512 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: mean it was one of those crazy ones. We won 513 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: thirteen to seven or thirteen to six. But he talked 514 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: about what we were doing, that game plan, how we 515 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: were going to beat them, and every guy believed it. 516 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 2: And I thought that was his greatest strength. I mean, 517 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: he was just a master motivator. He was innovative. For 518 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: people thought he wasn't as ground Chuck. No, he was 519 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: we're going to find a way to win. And he 520 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: wasn't afraid to say I made a mistake. In nineteen 521 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 2: ninety we went to the run and shoot, don't remember that, Dave. 522 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: But we tried to run and shoot. We practice it 523 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: all off season, all through camp. We played the Chicago 524 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: Bears the opener. I think my memory is not perfect, 525 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: but close enough, and we lay an egg and the 526 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: next week is we're going back to our old offense, 527 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: and we did and it was okay. 528 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 529 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 2: So special guy though, a special guy, great coach, and 530 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: you know, probably should be in the Hall of Fame. 531 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: But you know, to be in the Hall of Fame, 532 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: you you got to get those Super Bowls and he 533 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: just couldn't quite get there and win one, which was 534 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: which was unfortunate. But this NFL season feels every play, 535 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: every hit, every moment. 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Remember he talked about 543 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: the lobby player, the guy that you know, and every 544 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: once while Chuck would get sort of like cartoonish almost 545 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: where he would like puff his chest up and walk 546 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: around with this weird strut. And you know, he's basically 547 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: talking about a guy who looks good coming off the 548 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: bus but can't play a lick, you know, kind of 549 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: the looks like Tarzan plays like Jane type of type 550 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: of comment. And so yeah, and every every once in 551 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: a while he'd turn his hat around or imitate somebody. 552 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, there were some times that and I remember 553 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 1: it being truly funny. It wasn't like I was laughing 554 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: because I was afraid Chuck would get mad at me 555 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: or anything, but yeah, he was. He could have his 556 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: light moments every once in a while. And and everybody, 557 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: you know, those guys, I mean, I remember, by the 558 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: time I got in there, guys like you, Paul and Joe, 559 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 1: Nash and Jake, you know, those Bogie those guys had 560 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: heard all of those stories. Yeah they've heard all of them, 561 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: but they always bought in. And yeah, I don't I 562 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: don't ever remember, you know, guys sitting around, you know, 563 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: Dogg and Chuck. You know, No, I don't remember people 564 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, And and if you did, you made sure 565 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: it was quiet and nobody heard it, but I don't. 566 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember anyone really. I mean, it was just 567 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: such a consistent message that he had that everybody it 568 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: made sense to everyone. 569 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he really was a father figure. There was some 570 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: there were some that said, you know, it's tired of 571 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: hearing that crap, you know whatever, And you know, those 572 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: guys usually weren't around long. And he had his favorites. 573 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: Excuse me, he definitely had his favorites. It was Jeff Brian. 574 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: He it was you know, the night the Night meetings, Boogeyman. 575 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: But he always wanted boogie to like he would chuck 576 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: again if you had a couple of scotches, particularly down 577 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: in LA he would want reinforcement. Boogie right, you know, 578 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: kind of that in that right boogie and boogie yep, 579 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: and he would boogie, would just smile, you know, he 580 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: had a big grin on his face. And it was 581 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 2: a great group of guys, a great great coach and staff. 582 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: And those are some pretty good memories.