WEBVTT - Fostering Demonic Dolls with Amy Bruni 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 This doll in particular. I took her home and then 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.760 a few days later walked in and it smelled like burning, 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:09.159 and I was like, that's weird. I couldn't figure out 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.640 where it's coming from. And then the next day I 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:13.280 looked in there was like a kind of like a 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:31.639 scorch mark above the doll. Hello, thank you so much 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.080 for joining me on Kesha and the Creepies today. We're 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.880 very special guest Amy Brunei, who is a paranormal investigator 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:45.280 and has been for decades, way too long, very long 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:53.000 time without aging myself. I'm like, so fascinated with your job. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:58.640 It seems like it must be a very entertaining profession. Yeah, 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.120 I mean it's it's definitely a different you know. I 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.680 I actually started out years ago. I was working as 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.920 like a project manager for a health insurance company and 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.679 just living in a cubicle and on the weekends I 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.080 would go look for ghosts. Uh. You know, I'd go 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.840 to I'd fly myself to like the scariest places in 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:21.000 America and uh. And then one day I got asked 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.960 to be part of the team on the show ghost Hunters. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.920 Because I knew the guys who were on that show 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.000 and I was helping them with their podcast, and uh, 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.880 I said yes, and then I never went home again. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.000 I was on the road for like seven years and 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.920 three hundred episodes. Um. Yeah, so it's just been a 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.920 really really crazy ride. But I've gotten like really philosophical 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.520 about it, and you know, it's it's my perception of 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.040 the paranormal has definitely changed throughout this journey. Like what 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.320 part of your perception of the paranormal or supernatural has 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.440 changed by doing what you do well? I think when 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.480 I first started you, when I was first into ghosts, 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.840 you know, I started being curious about spirits and entities 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.000 and things as a child, and I read all these 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.359 books by like Hans Holzer and stuff that had very 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.800 defined ideas of what a ghost was. That it was 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.320 someone who you know, was trapped here for whatever reason 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.160 and you could just cross them over to the light 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.440 and they would move on and everything would be okay. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.600 And uh. And then the more I investigated, and the 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.519 more that I got out there into some of these 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:31.000 really crazy locations, the more I realized that, you know, 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.200 the second you start kind of humanizing a ghost, when 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.440 you when you look at a spirit as though they 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.840 are a living person standing in front of you and 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.000 they need something or they want something, they're trying to 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:47.080 communicate something. It becomes a lot less creepy and um, 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.880 a lot more like like you're kind of a ghost therapist, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.840 like you have a mission at that point. And that's 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.799 really where it's changed for me. The second that ghosts 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.280 stopped being a novelty for me was you know, that 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.560 was when it just became very real, like that could 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.080 be someone I love, That could be me one day, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.160 you know. And I think that people who naturally kind 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.720 of pick up a vibe from people in person, even 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.480 like like you say you have this like empathic nature, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.160 you're probably someone to who can pick up on when 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.440 there is like an energy present that might need something 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.560 or you know, and so it's it translates like that 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.280 ability I think translates from not only the living but 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:30.840 also to the dead. So, in all the investigating you've 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.960 done and all the experience you have in this field, 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.600 do have a specific like religious or spiritual thing that 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.840 you think happens when people pass away? I did, and 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.320 now I have encountered so many things like the second 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.080 I think I haven't figured out like ghosts will throw 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.960 me a curveball and completely you know, ruin whatever theory 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.040 it was that I had. I do think that I 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.360 think that there are spirits that will come and go, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.680 that will come and check in on us, people that 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.560 we love that don't really have a fish old business 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.680 here per se. But do you want to come back 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.120 and just let you know that they're thinking about you? 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.880 And then I also think there is that classic unfinished 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:14.200 business that can be anything and that that they need 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.320 help with. I mean, it could be as simple as 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.520 you know, um I We've encountered spirits who died very 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.000 tragically who had no really conception of the fact that 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.960 they had passed away, or people who left things unsaid, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.880 or you know, people who are watching over the house 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.840 that they built and they're upset that the way it's 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.720 been kept. There's a spirit we found whose whose name 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.479 was misspelled on his tombstone and he was upset like 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.960 these just these little things that maybe don't keep them 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.800 behind a hundred percent, but but it is a mission 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.279 for them, like there is something that they want fixed. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.520 I have this theory that in this life you have 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.120 to deal with your ship, and there's a lot of 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.200 ship that I do, But I'm like, I don't want 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.000 to do it, but I'm like, I just don't think 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.240 there's an easy way out, Like if I leave this here, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.440 I'm gonna have to deal with this in the afterlife 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.320 or in my next life or something like that, because 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.359 it just seems too easy of a thing to be like, no, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.800 it'll be fine. I really feel like the energy is 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:18.240 neither created nor destroyed, so our energy or spirit moves on. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.480 And I just really believe I don't know if it's 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.080 necessarily karma, but just that you have to be accountable 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.520 for your actions. And you also just people are particular 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.600 and people are funny, and I like the idea that 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.560 that doesn't go away if you pass away, Like you 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.280 still have your personality, you have your quirks, you want 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.280 your name to be spelled right exactly. And you think 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.120 about it too, like people who have the luxury of 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.360 kind of being on their deathbed and knowing that they're 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.280 going to pass away, like what do they do. They 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.520 always want to see everyone, They always want to say 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.400 last words. They you know, they start sifting through things 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.200 that they want to make right. And so I think 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.520 that it's it's an important lesson for us just in 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.279 how we live that, like you said, like that ship 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.800 doesn't go away, you know that at some point you 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.440 will have to deal with it if it's really affecting you. UM. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.599 And a lot of it is relationships. A lot of 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.200 it is you know, loved ones, UM. You know, watching 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.320 over people that they've felt, you know, an affinity towards 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.680 and things like that. Like it's there's always there's always 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.760 something UM. And some of them just have issues that 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.400 they were never able to work through in life and 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.880 they continue trying to work through them and death. And 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.480 again this is all theory and just of what I've encountered, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.839 Like I'll never say that this is absolutely what's happening, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.680 but it's what I feel. I love that though I'm 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.120 so on board. I have a cat that I think 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.479 is like one of my spirit angels, and I just 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.279 feel like, you know, there are certain almost just spirits 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.480 that I feel around and summer really positive and beautiful, 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:52.719 and then occasionally I've had some stranger, less beautiful experiences 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.120 and I'm like, is that just like a really angry 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.800 person or do you think they're just really confused? Are 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.400 they caught in this middle ground or they're just some 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.720 I know this. I'm like asking you like you might 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.279 know the answer to this, which you might, But are 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.480 there just some people that just suck and they just 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.320 suck as a ghost, they sucked as a person and 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:18.000 they just suck? Or do you think people are inherently good? Uh? No, 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.840 you're a right in my opinion, because people ask me. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.240 People are always afraid that you know, they're experiencing a 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.720 spirit and they're like, it's a demon, it's something evil, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.480 And I'm like, are you sure they just weren't a 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.760 jerk when they were alive, because you don't stop being 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.120 a jerk just because you died, you know. And so 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:38.280 there you have these spirits that I feel are angry. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.160 They were, they were awful when they were alive. It 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.920 doesn't stop just because they died. They still want to 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:48.440 make people miserable. Or you have like the completely misunderstood 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.720 spirit who is desperate to get a message across. And 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.720 then sometimes they can also come across as negative because 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.280 they're so desperate they start doing really angry physical things 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.000 like slamming doors and grab going on to you, was 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:05.840 scratching you, like yelling, because they're completely desperate for some reason. 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.000 So as an investigator. I have to kind of sift 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.480 through those and go, Okay, am I dealing with just 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.480 a jerk? Or am I dealing with someone who genuinely 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.680 needs my help? And so when we go into these hauntings, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.960 even the most extreme ones, we have to go in 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.880 with no judgment, Like we have to go in judgment 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.000 free and just try to solve it. And like that 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.680 can take days, months, weeks of trying to communicate with 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.240 these spirits. And I'm not psychic, and so I'm trying 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.680 to rely on you know, my my psychic friends and 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:40.400 actual evidence and recordings. But you are, in my opinion, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.680 totally on track with that. Well how do you? Because 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.400 I was watching your show Kindred Spirits, which I love, 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.960 and you had like a blindfold on and I think 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.840 something over your ears, and you were just kind of 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.440 communicating what the spirit was saying. I was watching the 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.319 one that was based on the Conjuring the movie. Yes, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.320 the episode so interesting, but it did feel like there 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.760 was darkness. It felt like it could be kind of scary. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:09.960 I'm just curious what that process is for you to 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:16.400 like go into a place knowing that dark things have happened, Like, 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.800 what is that process? For you, how do you prepare 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.440 how do you know how to connect all of that? Well, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.400 there's a lot there because people ask a lot. You know, 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.160 what do you do to prepare yourself for these moments? 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.760 Are you? You know? Do you where crystal? Do you 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.760 say a prayer? And I always go into a location 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.520 like that, just knowing that I'm good enough, that I 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.520 am strong enough that I don't need assistance from somewhere else, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.760 because the second that that thing gets taken away from you, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.200 if I'm relying on like a religious medal, for example, 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.040 and say that I forget it or it gets taken away, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.840 suddenly I feel weaker. And so in my mind, I 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.800 just want to make sure that I feel like I 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.240 can take on whatever just the way I am, that 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.560 I don't need outside help, but that some people do 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.040 like to like like I said, um do rituals say 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.720 prayers bring crystals? And that's totally fine. Um, I just 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.120 don't personally, but for things like that, like I had 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.840 such a relationship with the parent family. So the Conjuring 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.320 was based on a true story, and you know, what 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.239 happened in that house for so long is um scary, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.920 but the movie is scary, But like what that family 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.960 actually went through to me, seemed scarier in real life 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.480 than what the movie portrayed. Which for people listening that 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.200 haven't seen it, what were some of the things in 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.600 the movie that actually happened? It is very like obviously 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.920 the movies edited Beauty like I love that movie. It 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.680 was edited very well, as directed very well. And um, 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.040 you know they there's this part with like this clapping 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.120 that seemed so scary in the movie. But I think 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:51.160 that what's scary about the actual what actually happened is 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.360 that it's real. Like you're watching the movie and you're like, 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.600 this is a dramatization, But then when you actually talk 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.400 to the parent family, they were just children living there. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.360 They were being attacked in their beds every night. They 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.160 watched their mom be attacked by a spirit like and 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.920 and so when you talk to them face to face, 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.680 it becomes so much more scary than watching a Hollywood movie. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.240 I agree. I thought that your episode was much more 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.240 terrifying and humanizing. Yes, and I love that movie. I 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.199 love scary movies. And so those kids are now grown up, 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.520 and do they still remember, like what was some what 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.600 were some of the things that happened to them that 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.000 they remember and how did they deal with that? So 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.200 they remember a lot of it. Um, you know, it's 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.560 it's affected them for life. You know. It's it's like 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.240 being in a bad family situation or something. You know, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.040 they had trouble at home and they had to live 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.199 with that forever or you know till now. And um, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.560 and so they remember definitely. The big thing was I 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.280 think they would hear like whispers while they were sleeping 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.679 at night, Like they would hear like there was there 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.880 was one girl, Cindy who was the most affected, and 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.640 she kept hearing this voice at night. They would tell 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.760 her like soldiers buried outside seven so just like a wall, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.760 like telling her all these things which are not true. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.360 Like you know, we've done all kinds of now, we've 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.640 done all kinds of research, We've done all kinds of like, 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.920 you know, none of that's not true at all. But 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.040 but when you're you know, an eight or nine year 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.480 old child hearing that, and when you're trying to sleep 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:21.800 every night, you know, out of me and I'm yes, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.040 And they had to live with it every day. And 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.600 so Andrea is the one I'm closest with. And um, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.240 she was the one that kind of rallied the troops 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.360 and got them all back together in the house. But Cindy, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.600 when we got her there, she was the one who 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.040 was the youngest and most affected, and she literally like 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.480 she made it through the filming and the investigation, and 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.400 then she was like, I'm never ever coming back here, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.760 and it was just too hard for even though not 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.280 a lot happened in a paranormal way for her, at 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.880 that moment, it was just too much for Like, I 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.640 think it was enough for her to just go like 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.960 set foot in there again and knew she could do it, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.160 and then she just doesn't need to go back. She 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.760 closed the door. I got closure. Probably triggering to be 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.840 in a house where someone goes to whispering at you 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.319 when you're a child and get the fun out and 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.480 maybe never returning. Yeah, I felt it. I felt it 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:14.760 from her. I was like, yeah, you don't have to 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.480 come back here. We're good. I think we've done this. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.080 But how you say you're like a spirit or ghost therapist, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.400 is that part of it is like trying to heal 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.120 who was affected by the situation too, or is it 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.440 more trying to understand what the spirit wants. It's kind 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.080 of like I find us counseling, and I am not 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.240 a licensed therapist by any stretch, but I do find 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.400 us kind of counseling families and people who are affected 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.160 a lot just because they I'm listening. You know, they 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.400 are finally finding someone who's listening and who believes them, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.320 and so I believes them because I feel like a 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.920 lot of people could be dismissive because it is like supernatural. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.760 But I even sometimes don't know if that's the right 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.640 word to use, because it's not supernatural. It's just we 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.520 haven't figured it out how to explain it yet, which 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.880 doesn't mean it's not there. You see it, you feel it, 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.400 you hear it. It's there, but just because our brains 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.760 can't quite comprehend how to explain it makes me feel 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.040 like a lot of people would feel really dismissed by 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.800 these stories, oh totally. And then you know, the other 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.400 part of it too, is that sometimes like the family 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.480 relationships and the dynamic in a home can affect the 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.000 paranormal activity as well. You know, so not only are 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.760 they not understanding it, but they're kind of affecting it 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.960 in some way. You know, if there's turmoil in the home, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.120 if people aren't getting along, you know. That makes this 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.840 like the spirits pick up on that for whatever reason, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.080 and it can actually increase activity depending on you know, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.920 how they relate to it. Maybe they've been there for 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.480 for a long time, living happily, and this family moves 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.880 in that won't stop fighting, and then the spirits suddenly 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.160 want them to stop. It's like total dynamics. It's like 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.320 a bad roommate situation, you know. Oh my god, So 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.640 everybody should be pleasant because you might be bothering the 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.040 ghosts that are haunting your home and they're just gonna 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.240 fuck with you more. So like get it together and 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.840 be nice. That's what I'm taking away from this conversation. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.640 I mean, I think we should all live by that anyway. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:17.800 Just assume someone's there who's going to be upset. Just 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:24.200 keep it cool. Just especially a really old house. I 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.000 feel like I come into contact with a lot of 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.640 energy and most of it is so beautiful and just like, 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.120 but then every once in a while, when you're like 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.720 projecting your energy or opening it up, like you were saying, 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.960 if you just find a spirit or a ghost that's 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.760 just like manipulative in a jerk. What do you do 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.200 with that how do you not let that affect you? 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.640 You were saying, you just are strong in yourself, But 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.760 have you ever had a time where it just really 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:54.880 got to you. Yeah, definitely. I mean I think that 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.360 it's just like it's just like meeting someone in real life. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.680 You know, like you could be at a dinner party 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.240 and everyone's having a great time and then that certain 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.200 person walks in who doesn't say a word, but suddenly 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.360 the whole vibe changes just completely based on their energy 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.360 and like they're a total downer or whatever. And it's 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.120 kind of the same way I feel like with the 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.000 spirit world, like I will meet meet um, you know, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:23.320 spirits or or feel energy that it's maybe not like 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.320 negative in the sense that it wants to harm me, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.560 but is like manipulative, just like a live person could be, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.960 and you have to tackle it just like you would 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.480 a live person. You're like, I can't let this person 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.760 gets me, especially an energy that is fleeting or something 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.040 like you're just passing through. You know, I've had that happen, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.160 you know, traveling a lot as well for filming and 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.880 things like I'll be in a hotel that's old and 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.440 gross and haunted, and you know, and there will be 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.160 some bad energy there, something will feel off, and I'm like, great, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:52.520 I have to be stuck with this for a week 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.600 or whatever, but then you have to move on from it. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.800 And I always like date, it sounds like dating, It 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:04.520 sounds like day. It does like bad relationships. That's terrible. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:09.080 Ghost ruined me. But it's true though, and you know, 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:13.000 and it's just applying the same rules to a dead 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.120 person that you apply to a live person, and how 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.040 you treat them or react to them kind of changes it. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:19.879 You're like, oh, I have this power and me like, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.800 I wouldn't put up with this from someone standing in 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.159 front of me. I'm not going to put it up 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.560 from it just because or put up with it just 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.440 because I can't see this person. But it also can 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.520 be scary in that sense you can't see them, you 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:30.919 don't know what you're up against, you don't know what 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.800 their motivations are. Um, you know, in a society right 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.520 now that's so involved with the idea of positive thinking 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.520 and and positive thought, and like, you know, you know, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.560 you can infuse a space with like positivity, but the 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.840 same goes for negativity, and so you have to kind 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.880 of tackle that in a way, My god, how interesting 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.400 do you subscribe to demons existing? Like, have you ever 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.520 encountered something it's just like so dark you don't even know, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.240 like you don't want to work with it. I'm not 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.720 going to touch it. I can't deal with it. Yeah, 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.680 so it's extraordinarily rare. Like I've done this for over 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.359 twenty years now, and I can probably count two or 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.879 three times where I've encountered something that I felt was 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.840 like I don't necessarily know that it's demonic, but I 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:16.920 would call it that if that were what you know, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.359 if it was if that's the definition. But something just 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.720 so negative, um that you know, I had to call 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.960 in help, Like I you know, I actually have a 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.879 really good friend who works with the Vatican who's a 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.719 religious demonologist, and so whenever I have like even an 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.880 inkling that there's something like that, I can call him. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.439 But it's it's very rare, like it's almost always something 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.080 else or like I said before, something that is just 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.359 a mean person in life. But I think I have 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.560 I do believe in such things, but I always tell 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.359 people that the odds of that are so low, and 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.480 to just not assume, but just know that if you're 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.800 encountering something that's negative or upset or mean. Odds are 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.280 it's either misunderstood or was a mean person in life, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.880 which is a lot less daunting. Well, so what would 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.040 be I'm like so curious about the demonic forces where 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.960 you called the Vatican backup? Can I ask you about that? 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:18.600 Like what happened? Uh? So that the last time it 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.560 happened was so basically it was a dear friend of 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.160 mine called me, and, Um, he had a pretty good 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.960 feeling that something was going on with his sister, that 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.119 she was somehow possessed and this has been going on 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:37.280 for years, and so he finally called me to discuss this, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.120 and it was like the middle of the night. Um, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.760 I was home alone with my daughter who was like 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.160 three at the time, two or three at the time, 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:51.480 And so he calls and immediately, like the light start 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.280 going on and off at my house. And so what 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.840 one thing that you will learn about, like, uh, negative 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.600 type entity or demonic type entity is that the second 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.080 they feel like this person is reaching out to someone 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.679 who's gonna be a threat, they will immediately try to 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:10.280 get rid of that threat. Supposedly, listen, and so in 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.600 this case, he's explaining to me, what's happening, and and 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.679 he said, my lights are going on and off, and 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.440 he goes, I have to go outside because my lights 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.639 are going on and off. So his lights were turning on, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:22.960 and I did not clue him in at all. I 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.400 very like purposely was like, I'm not going to say 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.159 anything that's going on here because I didn't want to 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:29.840 freak him out. And I was like, okay, go ahead. 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.000 So he goes outside and he continues talking and then 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.800 he as he's talking, I hear my daughter crying upstairs, 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:38.879 and I'm like, that's you know, it's the middle of 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:43.320 the night. So I run upstairs, uh and she is 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.280 fastest like not crying because she does not wake up. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.960 And and so at that point I was like, Okay, 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.080 this thing is messing with me, like this thing is 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.560 trying to threaten me. So I go back downstairs and 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.440 I'm just talking with him the whole time, telling him 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.439