Speaker 1: This doll in particular. I took her home and then
Speaker 1: a few days later walked in and it smelled like burning,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's weird. I couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: where it's coming from. And then the next day I
Speaker 1: looked in there was like a kind of like a
Speaker 1: scorch mark above the doll. Hello, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me on Kesha and the Creepies today. We're
Speaker 1: very special guest Amy Brunei, who is a paranormal investigator
Speaker 1: and has been for decades, way too long, very long
Speaker 1: time without aging myself. I'm like, so fascinated with your job.
Speaker 1: It seems like it must be a very entertaining profession. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's definitely a different you know. I
Speaker 1: I actually started out years ago. I was working as
Speaker 1: like a project manager for a health insurance company and
Speaker 1: just living in a cubicle and on the weekends I
Speaker 1: would go look for ghosts. Uh. You know, I'd go
Speaker 1: to I'd fly myself to like the scariest places in
Speaker 1: America and uh. And then one day I got asked
Speaker 1: to be part of the team on the show ghost Hunters.
Speaker 1: Because I knew the guys who were on that show
Speaker 1: and I was helping them with their podcast, and uh,
Speaker 1: I said yes, and then I never went home again.
Speaker 1: I was on the road for like seven years and
Speaker 1: three hundred episodes. Um. Yeah, so it's just been a
Speaker 1: really really crazy ride. But I've gotten like really philosophical
Speaker 1: about it, and you know, it's it's my perception of
Speaker 1: the paranormal has definitely changed throughout this journey. Like what
Speaker 1: part of your perception of the paranormal or supernatural has
Speaker 1: changed by doing what you do well? I think when
Speaker 1: I first started you, when I was first into ghosts,
Speaker 1: you know, I started being curious about spirits and entities
Speaker 1: and things as a child, and I read all these
Speaker 1: books by like Hans Holzer and stuff that had very
Speaker 1: defined ideas of what a ghost was. That it was
Speaker 1: someone who you know, was trapped here for whatever reason
Speaker 1: and you could just cross them over to the light
Speaker 1: and they would move on and everything would be okay.
Speaker 1: And uh. And then the more I investigated, and the
Speaker 1: more that I got out there into some of these
Speaker 1: really crazy locations, the more I realized that, you know,
Speaker 1: the second you start kind of humanizing a ghost, when
Speaker 1: you when you look at a spirit as though they
Speaker 1: are a living person standing in front of you and
Speaker 1: they need something or they want something, they're trying to
Speaker 1: communicate something. It becomes a lot less creepy and um,
Speaker 1: a lot more like like you're kind of a ghost therapist,
Speaker 1: like you have a mission at that point. And that's
Speaker 1: really where it's changed for me. The second that ghosts
Speaker 1: stopped being a novelty for me was you know, that
Speaker 1: was when it just became very real, like that could
Speaker 1: be someone I love, That could be me one day,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that people who naturally kind
Speaker 1: of pick up a vibe from people in person, even
Speaker 1: like like you say you have this like empathic nature,
Speaker 1: you're probably someone to who can pick up on when
Speaker 1: there is like an energy present that might need something
Speaker 1: or you know, and so it's it translates like that
Speaker 1: ability I think translates from not only the living but
Speaker 1: also to the dead. So, in all the investigating you've
Speaker 1: done and all the experience you have in this field,
Speaker 1: do have a specific like religious or spiritual thing that
Speaker 1: you think happens when people pass away? I did, and
Speaker 1: now I have encountered so many things like the second
Speaker 1: I think I haven't figured out like ghosts will throw
Speaker 1: me a curveball and completely you know, ruin whatever theory
Speaker 1: it was that I had. I do think that I
Speaker 1: think that there are spirits that will come and go,
Speaker 1: that will come and check in on us, people that
Speaker 1: we love that don't really have a fish old business
Speaker 1: here per se. But do you want to come back
Speaker 1: and just let you know that they're thinking about you?
Speaker 1: And then I also think there is that classic unfinished
Speaker 1: business that can be anything and that that they need
Speaker 1: help with. I mean, it could be as simple as
Speaker 1: you know, um I We've encountered spirits who died very
Speaker 1: tragically who had no really conception of the fact that
Speaker 1: they had passed away, or people who left things unsaid,
Speaker 1: or you know, people who are watching over the house
Speaker 1: that they built and they're upset that the way it's
Speaker 1: been kept. There's a spirit we found whose whose name
Speaker 1: was misspelled on his tombstone and he was upset like
Speaker 1: these just these little things that maybe don't keep them
Speaker 1: behind a hundred percent, but but it is a mission
Speaker 1: for them, like there is something that they want fixed.
Speaker 1: I have this theory that in this life you have
Speaker 1: to deal with your ship, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: ship that I do, But I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it, but I'm like, I just don't think
Speaker 1: there's an easy way out, Like if I leave this here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to deal with this in the afterlife
Speaker 1: or in my next life or something like that, because
Speaker 1: it just seems too easy of a thing to be like, no,
Speaker 1: it'll be fine. I really feel like the energy is
Speaker 1: neither created nor destroyed, so our energy or spirit moves on.
Speaker 1: And I just really believe I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: necessarily karma, but just that you have to be accountable
Speaker 1: for your actions. And you also just people are particular
Speaker 1: and people are funny, and I like the idea that
Speaker 1: that doesn't go away if you pass away, Like you
Speaker 1: still have your personality, you have your quirks, you want
Speaker 1: your name to be spelled right exactly. And you think
Speaker 1: about it too, like people who have the luxury of
Speaker 1: kind of being on their deathbed and knowing that they're
Speaker 1: going to pass away, like what do they do. They
Speaker 1: always want to see everyone, They always want to say
Speaker 1: last words. They you know, they start sifting through things
Speaker 1: that they want to make right. And so I think
Speaker 1: that it's it's an important lesson for us just in
Speaker 1: how we live that, like you said, like that ship
Speaker 1: doesn't go away, you know that at some point you
Speaker 1: will have to deal with it if it's really affecting you. UM.
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is relationships. A lot of
Speaker 1: it is you know, loved ones, UM. You know, watching
Speaker 1: over people that they've felt, you know, an affinity towards
Speaker 1: and things like that. Like it's there's always there's always
Speaker 1: something UM. And some of them just have issues that
Speaker 1: they were never able to work through in life and
Speaker 1: they continue trying to work through them and death. And
Speaker 1: again this is all theory and just of what I've encountered,
Speaker 1: Like I'll never say that this is absolutely what's happening,
Speaker 1: but it's what I feel. I love that though I'm
Speaker 1: so on board. I have a cat that I think
Speaker 1: is like one of my spirit angels, and I just
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, there are certain almost just spirits
Speaker 1: that I feel around and summer really positive and beautiful,
Speaker 1: and then occasionally I've had some stranger, less beautiful experiences
Speaker 1: and I'm like, is that just like a really angry
Speaker 1: person or do you think they're just really confused? Are
Speaker 1: they caught in this middle ground or they're just some
Speaker 1: I know this. I'm like asking you like you might
Speaker 1: know the answer to this, which you might, But are
Speaker 1: there just some people that just suck and they just
Speaker 1: suck as a ghost, they sucked as a person and
Speaker 1: they just suck? Or do you think people are inherently good? Uh? No,
Speaker 1: you're a right in my opinion, because people ask me.
Speaker 1: People are always afraid that you know, they're experiencing a
Speaker 1: spirit and they're like, it's a demon, it's something evil,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, are you sure they just weren't a
Speaker 1: jerk when they were alive, because you don't stop being
Speaker 1: a jerk just because you died, you know. And so
Speaker 1: there you have these spirits that I feel are angry.
Speaker 1: They were, they were awful when they were alive. It
Speaker 1: doesn't stop just because they died. They still want to
Speaker 1: make people miserable. Or you have like the completely misunderstood
Speaker 1: spirit who is desperate to get a message across. And
Speaker 1: then sometimes they can also come across as negative because
Speaker 1: they're so desperate they start doing really angry physical things
Speaker 1: like slamming doors and grab going on to you, was
Speaker 1: scratching you, like yelling, because they're completely desperate for some reason.
Speaker 1: So as an investigator. I have to kind of sift
Speaker 1: through those and go, Okay, am I dealing with just
Speaker 1: a jerk? Or am I dealing with someone who genuinely
Speaker 1: needs my help? And so when we go into these hauntings,
Speaker 1: even the most extreme ones, we have to go in
Speaker 1: with no judgment, Like we have to go in judgment
Speaker 1: free and just try to solve it. And like that
Speaker 1: can take days, months, weeks of trying to communicate with
Speaker 1: these spirits. And I'm not psychic, and so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to rely on you know, my my psychic friends and
Speaker 1: actual evidence and recordings. But you are, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: totally on track with that. Well how do you? Because
Speaker 1: I was watching your show Kindred Spirits, which I love,
Speaker 1: and you had like a blindfold on and I think
Speaker 1: something over your ears, and you were just kind of
Speaker 1: communicating what the spirit was saying. I was watching the
Speaker 1: one that was based on the Conjuring the movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: the episode so interesting, but it did feel like there
Speaker 1: was darkness. It felt like it could be kind of scary.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious what that process is for you to
Speaker 1: like go into a place knowing that dark things have happened, Like,
Speaker 1: what is that process? For you, how do you prepare
Speaker 1: how do you know how to connect all of that? Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot there because people ask a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: what do you do to prepare yourself for these moments?
Speaker 1: Are you? You know? Do you where crystal? Do you
Speaker 1: say a prayer? And I always go into a location
Speaker 1: like that, just knowing that I'm good enough, that I
Speaker 1: am strong enough that I don't need assistance from somewhere else,
Speaker 1: because the second that that thing gets taken away from you,
Speaker 1: if I'm relying on like a religious medal, for example,
Speaker 1: and say that I forget it or it gets taken away,
Speaker 1: suddenly I feel weaker. And so in my mind, I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that I feel like I
Speaker 1: can take on whatever just the way I am, that
Speaker 1: I don't need outside help, but that some people do
Speaker 1: like to like like I said, um do rituals say
Speaker 1: prayers bring crystals? And that's totally fine. Um, I just
Speaker 1: don't personally, but for things like that, like I had
Speaker 1: such a relationship with the parent family. So the Conjuring
Speaker 1: was based on a true story, and you know, what
Speaker 1: happened in that house for so long is um scary,
Speaker 1: but the movie is scary, But like what that family
Speaker 1: actually went through to me, seemed scarier in real life
Speaker 1: than what the movie portrayed. Which for people listening that
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, what were some of the things in
Speaker 1: the movie that actually happened? It is very like obviously
Speaker 1: the movies edited Beauty like I love that movie. It
Speaker 1: was edited very well, as directed very well. And um,
Speaker 1: you know they there's this part with like this clapping
Speaker 1: that seemed so scary in the movie. But I think
Speaker 1: that what's scary about the actual what actually happened is
Speaker 1: that it's real. Like you're watching the movie and you're like,
Speaker 1: this is a dramatization, But then when you actually talk
Speaker 1: to the parent family, they were just children living there.
Speaker 1: They were being attacked in their beds every night. They
Speaker 1: watched their mom be attacked by a spirit like and
Speaker 1: and so when you talk to them face to face,
Speaker 1: it becomes so much more scary than watching a Hollywood movie.
Speaker 1: I agree. I thought that your episode was much more
Speaker 1: terrifying and humanizing. Yes, and I love that movie. I
Speaker 1: love scary movies. And so those kids are now grown up,
Speaker 1: and do they still remember, like what was some what
Speaker 1: were some of the things that happened to them that
Speaker 1: they remember and how did they deal with that? So
Speaker 1: they remember a lot of it. Um, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's affected them for life. You know. It's it's like
Speaker 1: being in a bad family situation or something. You know,
Speaker 1: they had trouble at home and they had to live
Speaker 1: with that forever or you know till now. And um,
Speaker 1: and so they remember definitely. The big thing was I
Speaker 1: think they would hear like whispers while they were sleeping
Speaker 1: at night, Like they would hear like there was there
Speaker 1: was one girl, Cindy who was the most affected, and
Speaker 1: she kept hearing this voice at night. They would tell
Speaker 1: her like soldiers buried outside seven so just like a wall,
Speaker 1: like telling her all these things which are not true.
Speaker 1: Like you know, we've done all kinds of now, we've
Speaker 1: done all kinds of research, We've done all kinds of like,
Speaker 1: you know, none of that's not true at all. But
Speaker 1: but when you're you know, an eight or nine year
Speaker 1: old child hearing that, and when you're trying to sleep
Speaker 1: every night, you know, out of me and I'm yes,
Speaker 1: And they had to live with it every day. And
Speaker 1: so Andrea is the one I'm closest with. And um,
Speaker 1: she was the one that kind of rallied the troops
Speaker 1: and got them all back together in the house. But Cindy,
Speaker 1: when we got her there, she was the one who
Speaker 1: was the youngest and most affected, and she literally like
Speaker 1: she made it through the filming and the investigation, and
Speaker 1: then she was like, I'm never ever coming back here,
Speaker 1: and it was just too hard for even though not
Speaker 1: a lot happened in a paranormal way for her, at
Speaker 1: that moment, it was just too much for Like, I
Speaker 1: think it was enough for her to just go like
Speaker 1: set foot in there again and knew she could do it,
Speaker 1: and then she just doesn't need to go back. She
Speaker 1: closed the door. I got closure. Probably triggering to be
Speaker 1: in a house where someone goes to whispering at you
Speaker 1: when you're a child and get the fun out and
Speaker 1: maybe never returning. Yeah, I felt it. I felt it
Speaker 1: from her. I was like, yeah, you don't have to
Speaker 1: come back here. We're good. I think we've done this.
Speaker 1: But how you say you're like a spirit or ghost therapist,
Speaker 1: is that part of it is like trying to heal
Speaker 1: who was affected by the situation too, or is it
Speaker 1: more trying to understand what the spirit wants. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like I find us counseling, and I am not
Speaker 1: a licensed therapist by any stretch, but I do find
Speaker 1: us kind of counseling families and people who are affected
Speaker 1: a lot just because they I'm listening. You know, they
Speaker 1: are finally finding someone who's listening and who believes them,
Speaker 1: and so I believes them because I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of people could be dismissive because it is like supernatural.
Speaker 1: But I even sometimes don't know if that's the right
Speaker 1: word to use, because it's not supernatural. It's just we
Speaker 1: haven't figured it out how to explain it yet, which
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not there. You see it, you feel it,
Speaker 1: you hear it. It's there, but just because our brains
Speaker 1: can't quite comprehend how to explain it makes me feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of people would feel really dismissed by
Speaker 1: these stories, oh totally. And then you know, the other
Speaker 1: part of it too, is that sometimes like the family
Speaker 1: relationships and the dynamic in a home can affect the
Speaker 1: paranormal activity as well. You know, so not only are
Speaker 1: they not understanding it, but they're kind of affecting it
Speaker 1: in some way. You know, if there's turmoil in the home,
Speaker 1: if people aren't getting along, you know. That makes this
Speaker 1: like the spirits pick up on that for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: and it can actually increase activity depending on you know,
Speaker 1: how they relate to it. Maybe they've been there for
Speaker 1: for a long time, living happily, and this family moves
Speaker 1: in that won't stop fighting, and then the spirits suddenly
Speaker 1: want them to stop. It's like total dynamics. It's like
Speaker 1: a bad roommate situation, you know. Oh my god, So
Speaker 1: everybody should be pleasant because you might be bothering the
Speaker 1: ghosts that are haunting your home and they're just gonna
Speaker 1: fuck with you more. So like get it together and
Speaker 1: be nice. That's what I'm taking away from this conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we should all live by that anyway.
Speaker 1: Just assume someone's there who's going to be upset. Just
Speaker 1: keep it cool. Just especially a really old house. I
Speaker 1: feel like I come into contact with a lot of
Speaker 1: energy and most of it is so beautiful and just like,
Speaker 1: but then every once in a while, when you're like
Speaker 1: projecting your energy or opening it up, like you were saying,
Speaker 1: if you just find a spirit or a ghost that's
Speaker 1: just like manipulative in a jerk. What do you do
Speaker 1: with that how do you not let that affect you?
Speaker 1: You were saying, you just are strong in yourself, But
Speaker 1: have you ever had a time where it just really
Speaker 1: got to you. Yeah, definitely. I mean I think that
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just like meeting someone in real life.
Speaker 1: You know, like you could be at a dinner party
Speaker 1: and everyone's having a great time and then that certain
Speaker 1: person walks in who doesn't say a word, but suddenly
Speaker 1: the whole vibe changes just completely based on their energy
Speaker 1: and like they're a total downer or whatever. And it's
Speaker 1: kind of the same way I feel like with the
Speaker 1: spirit world, like I will meet meet um, you know,
Speaker 1: spirits or or feel energy that it's maybe not like
Speaker 1: negative in the sense that it wants to harm me,
Speaker 1: but is like manipulative, just like a live person could be,
Speaker 1: and you have to tackle it just like you would
Speaker 1: a live person. You're like, I can't let this person
Speaker 1: gets me, especially an energy that is fleeting or something
Speaker 1: like you're just passing through. You know, I've had that happen,
Speaker 1: you know, traveling a lot as well for filming and
Speaker 1: things like I'll be in a hotel that's old and
Speaker 1: gross and haunted, and you know, and there will be
Speaker 1: some bad energy there, something will feel off, and I'm like, great,
Speaker 1: I have to be stuck with this for a week
Speaker 1: or whatever, but then you have to move on from it.
Speaker 1: And I always like date, it sounds like dating, It
Speaker 1: sounds like day. It does like bad relationships. That's terrible.
Speaker 1: Ghost ruined me. But it's true though, and you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just applying the same rules to a dead
Speaker 1: person that you apply to a live person, and how
Speaker 1: you treat them or react to them kind of changes it.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I have this power and me like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put up with this from someone standing in
Speaker 1: front of me. I'm not going to put it up
Speaker 1: from it just because or put up with it just
Speaker 1: because I can't see this person. But it also can
Speaker 1: be scary in that sense you can't see them, you
Speaker 1: don't know what you're up against, you don't know what
Speaker 1: their motivations are. Um, you know, in a society right
Speaker 1: now that's so involved with the idea of positive thinking
Speaker 1: and and positive thought, and like, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you can infuse a space with like positivity, but the
Speaker 1: same goes for negativity, and so you have to kind
Speaker 1: of tackle that in a way, My god, how interesting
Speaker 1: do you subscribe to demons existing? Like, have you ever
Speaker 1: encountered something it's just like so dark you don't even know,
Speaker 1: like you don't want to work with it. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to touch it. I can't deal with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's extraordinarily rare. Like I've done this for over
Speaker 1: twenty years now, and I can probably count two or
Speaker 1: three times where I've encountered something that I felt was
Speaker 1: like I don't necessarily know that it's demonic, but I
Speaker 1: would call it that if that were what you know,
Speaker 1: if it was if that's the definition. But something just
Speaker 1: so negative, um that you know, I had to call
Speaker 1: in help, Like I you know, I actually have a
Speaker 1: really good friend who works with the Vatican who's a
Speaker 1: religious demonologist, and so whenever I have like even an
Speaker 1: inkling that there's something like that, I can call him.
Speaker 1: But it's it's very rare, like it's almost always something
Speaker 1: else or like I said before, something that is just
Speaker 1: a mean person in life. But I think I have
Speaker 1: I do believe in such things, but I always tell
Speaker 1: people that the odds of that are so low, and
Speaker 1: to just not assume, but just know that if you're
Speaker 1: encountering something that's negative or upset or mean. Odds are
Speaker 1: it's either misunderstood or was a mean person in life,
Speaker 1: which is a lot less daunting. Well, so what would
Speaker 1: be I'm like so curious about the demonic forces where
Speaker 1: you called the Vatican backup? Can I ask you about that?
Speaker 1: Like what happened? Uh? So that the last time it
Speaker 1: happened was so basically it was a dear friend of
Speaker 1: mine called me, and, Um, he had a pretty good
Speaker 1: feeling that something was going on with his sister, that
Speaker 1: she was somehow possessed and this has been going on
Speaker 1: for years, and so he finally called me to discuss this,
Speaker 1: and it was like the middle of the night. Um,
Speaker 1: I was home alone with my daughter who was like
Speaker 1: three at the time, two or three at the time,
Speaker 1: And so he calls and immediately, like the light start
Speaker 1: going on and off at my house. And so what
Speaker 1: one thing that you will learn about, like, uh, negative
Speaker 1: type entity or demonic type entity is that the second
Speaker 1: they feel like this person is reaching out to someone
Speaker 1: who's gonna be a threat, they will immediately try to
Speaker 1: get rid of that threat. Supposedly, listen, and so in
Speaker 1: this case, he's explaining to me, what's happening, and and
Speaker 1: he said, my lights are going on and off, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I have to go outside because my lights
Speaker 1: are going on and off. So his lights were turning on,
Speaker 1: and I did not clue him in at all. I
Speaker 1: very like purposely was like, I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: anything that's going on here because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: freak him out. And I was like, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So he goes outside and he continues talking and then
Speaker 1: he as he's talking, I hear my daughter crying upstairs,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's you know, it's the middle of
Speaker 1: the night. So I run upstairs, uh and she is
Speaker 1: fastest like not crying because she does not wake up.
Speaker 1: And and so at that point I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this thing is messing with me, like this thing is
Speaker 1: trying to threaten me. So I go back downstairs and
Speaker 1: I'm just talking with him the whole time, telling him
Speaker 1: his options, giving him my opinions, and then I feel
Speaker 1: something start grabbing onto my hair like as I'm talking
Speaker 1: to him. And then at the same time, I hear
Speaker 1: my daughter start crying again, and I go upstairs and
Speaker 1: she's fast asleep. And so we got through the conversation,
Speaker 1: and I knew that was the first time I've ever
Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, there's something that's trying to let me
Speaker 1: know that like it knows who I am and it's gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, make an issue for me. But so I
Speaker 1: immediately called my friend and um he he helped them
Speaker 1: the next day. But but yeah, that it was. It
Speaker 1: was exactly what he told me what happened, Like when
Speaker 1: he warned me about things like that. Um he literally
Speaker 1: said to me, like they will try to stop you
Speaker 1: and try to scare you, and you just have to
Speaker 1: stand your ground. And so I just I never ever
Speaker 1: even told the guy that I was talking to it
Speaker 1: that was happening. I just acted like it was a
Speaker 1: totally normal conversation. But that was that's insane. Yeah, again,
Speaker 1: extraordinarily rare. Twenty plus years of doing us have never
Speaker 1: had that happened before since, So just so, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: had I mean, I've had a couple of other strange
Speaker 1: account but that was the one where I knew unequivocally
Speaker 1: that I was dealing with something that was cruel and
Speaker 1: like it sounds like very ominous. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: to threaten your child. That was the weird thing, like,
Speaker 1: look crying, did your daughter remember any of it? Or
Speaker 1: she's a sleep all time? Oh no, she was just
Speaker 1: fast asleep. And I mean to tell her because right
Speaker 1: now she's like eight, and she loves like crawling through
Speaker 1: creepy places with me and looking for ghosts and stuff,
Speaker 1: and so I'm not gonna gonna ruin it for it yet.
Speaker 1: My first encounter with like an apparition or spiritter ghost
Speaker 1: was I always like would go to places and try
Speaker 1: to do the kind of like what you were saying
Speaker 1: you would do in the weekends where it's like for fun.
Speaker 1: So I'll be on tour with my band and my
Speaker 1: dancers and like the whole crew, and then we'll be
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee or whatever, and there's this beautiful w hotel
Speaker 1: we can all stay it with a nice clean pool,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nope, we're staying at the place where
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer used to live. And everyone's like, oh, great, awesome.
Speaker 1: Or like in Fort Worth there's like a haunted brothel
Speaker 1: and I've had people literally in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night they're like, you're fucking crazy. I'm sleeping in the bus,
Speaker 1: like the lights won't work. I'm out. But so my
Speaker 1: favorite thing is to play shows, play music, and then
Speaker 1: stay it haunted places whenever I can, like in whatever city,
Speaker 1: and it kind of is torture. It's kind of tortured
Speaker 1: to the people I work with, so apologies, but they
Speaker 1: have options, they could go somewhere else. It's just highly
Speaker 1: encouraged to hang out at the haunted place because more fun.
Speaker 1: But it is more fun. It is more fun. Just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, give me something weird, but I saw
Speaker 1: so I always wanted to see something or feel something,
Speaker 1: and then I saw an apparition of a woman, but
Speaker 1: instead of being scared, I felt sad for her. And
Speaker 1: I think that was the first time I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think this actually is a spirit or ghost or
Speaker 1: whatever the right terminology is, and I'm not terrified like
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to get like the ship
Speaker 1: scared out of me, and that wasn't the case. And
Speaker 1: so ever since then, I've been wholly fascinated with how
Speaker 1: to connect with the other side, because I'm sure we're
Speaker 1: just surrounded by spirits at all times. M Well, you
Speaker 1: humanized her, you know that. That was that moment where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this isn't a novelty anymore. This is
Speaker 1: a person and I feel her and there's something that
Speaker 1: she needs or she wants, you know, and that's that.
Speaker 1: It really does change your perspective on the whole idea
Speaker 1: of a haunting. It does go from like you know,
Speaker 1: spooky and fun to being like a belief system like
Speaker 1: in the afterlife. And and so yeah, it I think
Speaker 1: that a lot of people will go through that, especially
Speaker 1: when they've experienced a hunting for a while. You know,
Speaker 1: we've had There was one woman who that just written
Speaker 1: that story reminded me of where she She died in
Speaker 1: a train act, like a very sudden train crash. This
Speaker 1: train hit her and her three girlfriends coming back from
Speaker 1: a sewing bee in like nineteen twelve or something. And
Speaker 1: this poor woman, her spirit kept running for help in
Speaker 1: the old house that like lived that was next door
Speaker 1: to where she lived, and she kept appearing. This the
Speaker 1: woman who lived there. Now she just would wake up
Speaker 1: and this woman would be like help help, you know,
Speaker 1: every night, and so we had to basically help. We
Speaker 1: helped the spirit by by showing her her death certificate,
Speaker 1: like some part of her had no idea she was dead.
Speaker 1: And so we had to. We we printed her death
Speaker 1: certificate in the articles. We were like, this terrible thing
Speaker 1: happened to you, and we're so sorry. And we got
Speaker 1: these recordings of her and she was like death certificate.
Speaker 1: And then when we explained to her what was happening
Speaker 1: in the last word she said, she was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going home, and then she was never seen again, like
Speaker 1: she she didn't understand. That's so I feel like that
Speaker 1: what you're doing is so kind. You're you are like
Speaker 1: a ghost therapist. I love it. So I'm trying. It's
Speaker 1: all one gets nasty with me, and then the ginger
Speaker 1: comes out. Well the demons mostly really lovely, a couple
Speaker 1: of demons, and then just some like people that are
Speaker 1: angry about ship. I'm like you, yeah, it doesn't go away.
Speaker 1: Apparently when you die, Lifetime guys started out. Now, don't
Speaker 1: run for your problems. Do you think that there's like
Speaker 1: ever a point where do you think people come back?
Speaker 1: So I don't. I have not encountered it, like in
Speaker 1: a situation where I thought that was happening. But it
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, Like it's it's this idea that
Speaker 1: feels right to me in a way, and I think
Speaker 1: that there's a reason why people have kind of naturally
Speaker 1: subscribed to that theory over thousands of years. You know,
Speaker 1: there is that the fact that you have to grow
Speaker 1: spiritually from carnation to carnation, you know, our incarnation incarnation,
Speaker 1: and so it makes sense. I've not seen anything that
Speaker 1: made me wonder, like, am I dealing with someone reincarnated?
Speaker 1: You know? But I mean I've certainly had moments in
Speaker 1: life where I've been around something or experience something that really,
Speaker 1: you know, tugged it me in a way that didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily make sense, you know, and I'm like, is this
Speaker 1: something from like a past life? Is there a reason
Speaker 1: why I'm drawn to this? Uh? So, I I think
Speaker 1: I think there's something to it, and I just don't
Speaker 1: know how we prove it. And then I also wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, what do we what do we achieve by
Speaker 1: proving it too? You know, I think we should maybe
Speaker 1: just all kind of just subscribe to the idea that
Speaker 1: we might all be growing all the time. And I
Speaker 1: think that's a good theory to go with. I love
Speaker 1: that because even what you've said about like spirits and afterlife,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, okay, it just makes me want to
Speaker 1: sort my shop out now and then maybe in the
Speaker 1: next life of I sort a chunk out this lifetime,
Speaker 1: maybe the next life will be even more fabulous, and
Speaker 1: then maybe I'll be Yeah, not a jerk ghost. I'll
Speaker 1: be the funnest ghost in the entire world that I
Speaker 1: would TikTok at people on repeat until they literally go insane.
Speaker 1: I just want to, like a really helpful ghost, like
Speaker 1: earn my keep and whatever house I'm inhabiting, cleaning ever.
Speaker 1: The fact that you love to collect antiques and specifically dolls, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that. I'm all I
Speaker 1: love antiques obsessed And do you think that there's a
Speaker 1: way too before you bring it into your house, like
Speaker 1: to make sure you're not bringing an entity that you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want. Well, yeah, I'm not sure. So sometimes
Speaker 1: I feel like it's my duty to take in these
Speaker 1: haunted objects, like I think, I don't know, if you
Speaker 1: see behind me, I have it, Oh my god, creepy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a few of them up there. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of them, but those are some of the standouts.
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that don't like to stay put.
Speaker 1: I find them on the floor and here a lot
Speaker 1: but move around. Yeah, my daughter will not come in
Speaker 1: this room. She it's my office. Yeah, She's like like
Speaker 1: the rest of our house looks so normal. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like, and then Mom's office, So Mom's creepy office. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So um. So I feel like when I'm when I
Speaker 1: find these things, I feel kind of drawn to them
Speaker 1: in a way, and it's almost like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to have them for whatever reason. Uh. And
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't necessarily want to get rid of whatever
Speaker 1: is hanging onto them when I bring them home, as
Speaker 1: long as they weren't being you know, awful. But I
Speaker 1: have a lot of really creepy ship it in my house,
Speaker 1: and I have yet. I mean I have like I'm
Speaker 1: looking at a Victorian hair wreath that's like a memorial wreath,
Speaker 1: where like they would take their loved one's hair and
Speaker 1: turn it into like a wreath when they died. I
Speaker 1: have one of those. I have a spirit trumpet back
Speaker 1: here from seances in the eighteen hundreds, I have a
Speaker 1: spirit trumpet. Yeah. Like, um, mediums would use them. It
Speaker 1: was not true at all, but they would use them,
Speaker 1: and they would say that like ghostly sounds would come
Speaker 1: out of the like come out of the trumpet, but
Speaker 1: they it was like a magic a parlor trick basically.
Speaker 1: But it's old and I think it's kind of cool
Speaker 1: that was used in seances in the spiritualist air. And
Speaker 1: then I have, like all the dolls I have a
Speaker 1: really creepy teddy bear I have I have. It's like not,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of want to show them
Speaker 1: to you because okah, please, oh my god, show me
Speaker 1: all the creepy stuff. There's so much this is. People
Speaker 1: send me the things to like, oh that is so creepy.
Speaker 1: Holy ship that teddy very creepy. I told you, But like,
Speaker 1: people send me these things and I can't like get
Speaker 1: rid of it, Like I feel bad at like something
Speaker 1: this at some point, right, you could definitely get rid
Speaker 1: of that if you watched him giving you commission so
Speaker 1: creepy to send him to you. If he's a nice guy,
Speaker 1: you know whatever he seems okay, yeah, So but it's
Speaker 1: things like that, like I don't even know. I don't
Speaker 1: want to show you the other dolls you'll free, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I read you have one that has real human
Speaker 1: hair that comes out of it or something. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I did so that was the first, my first encounter
Speaker 1: with a haunded doll, and it was Um. I was young,
Speaker 1: I was like thirteen years old, and I used to
Speaker 1: go to the antique store like every normal thirteen year
Speaker 1: old and I would just, you know, peruse the place,
Speaker 1: and they had this released cree. The old doll was
Speaker 1: a boudoir doll, a bed doll, and had real human hair,
Speaker 1: which I love these dolls. I have one here now,
Speaker 1: but you can totally show me all your creepy stuff
Speaker 1: before you go, because I'm wildly curious. I'll show you before.
Speaker 1: But so anyways, this this doll in particular UM, I
Speaker 1: took her home and she like started setting fires, and
Speaker 1: so I suspect. So so what happened was I was
Speaker 1: drawn to this doll. I put her on layaway and
Speaker 1: every week I would bring my five dollar allowance until
Speaker 1: I paid off this doll or whatever, and brought her
Speaker 1: home and set her up on my shelf. And then
Speaker 1: a few days later walked in and it smelled like burning,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's weird, and I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out where it's coming from. And then the next day
Speaker 1: I looked and there was like a kind of like
Speaker 1: a scorch mark above the doll, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's really strange. It was very dangerous. I do not
Speaker 1: reckon meant, And so then I smelled it another day
Speaker 1: and came in and found literally her dress was smoldering
Speaker 1: that she was wearing it had like it was smoldering,
Speaker 1: and I was like, something is wrong with this doll.
Speaker 1: And uh So I had these two aunts who are
Speaker 1: both kind of kind of witchy and different, and um
Speaker 1: and we my my very psychic aunt, did like a
Speaker 1: seance and she said that this doll had some sort
Speaker 1: of attachment to it and um, so we tried to
Speaker 1: rid it of it or whatever. So I shoved it
Speaker 1: in my closet and it's your clothes. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was awful, I was, I I And then I
Speaker 1: think we ended up actually burning the doll. Years later,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what happened, but it was just
Speaker 1: like the worst it was. It was. It was scary.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've never encountered a fire producing doll since then.
Speaker 1: But that was again probably one of the things that
Speaker 1: to my interest in what I do. And maybe there
Speaker 1: had been some other rational explanation, but that's all definitely
Speaker 1: was smoldering on more than one occasion. Anything electronic about
Speaker 1: the doll, like mars or chords or wires. Now, she
Speaker 1: was just a booderard all from the twenties, like just
Speaker 1: an old doll. And she was not the wall like
Speaker 1: the wall she was up against. There was nothing there.
Speaker 1: There was no like, there were no candles, there was
Speaker 1: no incense like, there was no like electricity around her.
Speaker 1: It was just that doll. It was so strange. So
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it since. But that might
Speaker 1: be why I like them now. I feel like I
Speaker 1: owe her something because I like, alright, lady, you gotta go.
Speaker 1: I have a weird thing with antiques where I like,
Speaker 1: I cannot leave too. If I find them in two
Speaker 1: separate places in the world, I have to bring them
Speaker 1: back together. I like to think of myself as like
Speaker 1: reuniting like lost twin flame souls. So I have a
Speaker 1: bunch of weird matching things that I don't even necessarily
Speaker 1: like and or want, but they match, so they must
Speaker 1: be together. Well, I mean, I love it if it's
Speaker 1: the energy. If you think about an antique, like I'm
Speaker 1: super drawn to antiques, and it's there's so much energy
Speaker 1: infused and then whether or not it's like ghosts, it's
Speaker 1: just people have been around them for so long. People
Speaker 1: have cared for them, you know, think of all the
Speaker 1: things that happened around them over the time that they
Speaker 1: have been in existence. Like if there's something about antiques,
Speaker 1: like I really do think they hold energy, and I
Speaker 1: think certain people are drawn to that, Like I I
Speaker 1: love them, me too, and my mom too, Like where
Speaker 1: we go to flea markets pretty much whenever we're around
Speaker 1: each other, and just like it's it's like treasure hunting
Speaker 1: also to me, but yours is like a little creepier
Speaker 1: because like you want the creepy stuff, I feel no
Speaker 1: one wants it. So I feel like it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you're you're reuniting antiques, and I'm like taking in
Speaker 1: like the orphaned antiques. You're like fostering the demonic dolls.
Speaker 1: Dolls so creepy. So this is real creepy nightmare. Great,
Speaker 1: can't wait. This one's falling apart, like okay, And these
Speaker 1: ladies like to move, they like to move around, and
Speaker 1: you're just fine with that. This this is the one
Speaker 1: that really moves around. So I put everything on top
Speaker 1: of her. But that's this one. Why is she in
Speaker 1: a bridal gown? So this is a bed doll? This
Speaker 1: is this is a boudoir doll. She has real human hair. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is a boudoir doll? Is that like what you
Speaker 1: put back in the twenties. Yeah, it was like a
Speaker 1: big thing with like flappers and the twenties and stuff.
Speaker 1: They would put these on their beds like this. This
Speaker 1: was more for like adults. Was not like a kid doll.
Speaker 1: What do adults do with this? It was like decoration.
Speaker 1: I think she's creepy. I love her, sorry, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to me. And she's gorgeous. This one came from
Speaker 1: a haunted place. We investigated on Kindred and they could
Speaker 1: not give her to me fast enough. Her head's falling off.
Speaker 1: Her head is falling off. That is so creepy. So
Speaker 1: from wait, someone needs to look at this. One of
Speaker 1: you needs to look at this doll. Wait, look at this.
Speaker 1: If I had not taken this doll in, no one
Speaker 1: would have. So I'm doing no kidding. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: So that's her Okay, oh yeah, she had her. Okay,
Speaker 1: this one is awful. This one. That one looks like
Speaker 1: no offense. I don't want these. Yeah, back of the head,
Speaker 1: I think her hair fell out. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so they're no eyeballs creepy and think yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there's the sky here mine that looks like
Speaker 1: someone beat that baby doll, and like, I know, so
Speaker 1: this is I willingly bring these things into my house
Speaker 1: because no one else will YE love them that with
Speaker 1: like stray dogs that are just like really minging and
Speaker 1: kind of ugly. She'll just take the ones that nobody
Speaker 1: else wants in. But I would rather take in dogs,
Speaker 1: but I don't have the space, so I take in
Speaker 1: haunted dolls instead of Like I said, my daughter is thrilled.
Speaker 1: And if you saw there, like I am the most
Speaker 1: normal person in the world, that you would never guess
Speaker 1: that those were the kinds of things that I collected.
Speaker 1: I really have to or my occupation that you might
Speaker 1: not be the most normal person. I don't want to
Speaker 1: know what normal is, but judging by those do I
Speaker 1: have to disagree with you. Well, if you see in
Speaker 1: your travels, please send it to me. Oh fun, I
Speaker 1: got you. I see how you're like, I know the
Speaker 1: girl for this doll? Wait, I totally if you see Okay,
Speaker 1: if you see a lamp, it just is like mystical,
Speaker 1: the most magical mystical lamp in the world. That's what
Speaker 1: you can look for. Me that because I love lamp,
Speaker 1: and then I'll look for haunted, creepy assid baby dolls
Speaker 1: with human hair and or no eyeballs for you. Fantastic.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a great trade off. So fun,
Speaker 1: what a very very weak I'm glad we were able
Speaker 1: to bond on this. I love antiques and I love collecting,
Speaker 1: and I believe in spirits, so I mean, how could
Speaker 1: we not connect on that. I also read that pretty
Speaker 1: much like in your familial like in your blood, in
Speaker 1: your bloodline, like everyone kind of around you is into
Speaker 1: what would you call it, the paranormal. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that. So when I was growing up, even
Speaker 1: though a lot of my family is very religious. They're like,
Speaker 1: you know, hardcore Catholics and stuff, they still were very
Speaker 1: open to the idea of ghosts and spirits, so much
Speaker 1: so that like my parents never um, they never were
Speaker 1: like ghost don't exist, we lived in a haunted house.
Speaker 1: They talked about it very matter of fact that they
Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, sometimes they are ghosts. Haunted house
Speaker 1: growing up, I did, and so that was why I
Speaker 1: was never afraid of them. I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: ghosts or just something that happened sometimes. And so that's
Speaker 1: what really piqued my interest. I saw when I was
Speaker 1: eight years old, I saw an apparition standing outside our
Speaker 1: kitchen window of a man. And that kitchen windows on
Speaker 1: the second floor, there's no way someone could have been
Speaker 1: standing outside that window. And we found out later that
Speaker 1: there was a wrap around porch there, so there was
Speaker 1: a time where one could have been standing there, which
Speaker 1: is not in the eighties. And so, uh, I remember
Speaker 1: just seeing this man and just backing out of the
Speaker 1: kitchen and going to find my mom, like, mom, there's
Speaker 1: a strange man outside, you know it was And she
Speaker 1: explained to me that our house was haunted and that
Speaker 1: sometimes you might see a ghost and yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you know, eight years old, just okay,
Speaker 1: I guess that's what happens. So like they were fully
Speaker 1: into it, fine with it, knew it was. There, was
Speaker 1: not shocking, and it was like just part of the
Speaker 1: culture of growing up, as you might see weird stuff. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, we did have a couple of instances like
Speaker 1: we had a family that would come visit sometimes for
Speaker 1: like dinner parties and things, and um, that was the
Speaker 1: first time I realized the family or ghost real people.
Speaker 1: But something happened during a dinner they came over and um,
Speaker 1: they were talking about our ghosts. And there were we
Speaker 1: had two pretty major incidents while they were there, But
Speaker 1: the big one was we were talking about our ghosts
Speaker 1: and how they didn't believe in them, and then right
Speaker 1: then this picture came off the wall and crashed down
Speaker 1: onto the floor and they left immediately and they never
Speaker 1: set foot in our house again. I remember the mom like,
Speaker 1: so that's like the guys was like, oh really, bitches, yes,
Speaker 1: and so it was so and that was the first
Speaker 1: time I was like, oh, maybe this is scary to
Speaker 1: people because I lived with this every day. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the I remember the mom, she would just like come,
Speaker 1: her son would come over to play with me, but
Speaker 1: the mom would like go out on the lawn and
Speaker 1: be like, Alex, it's time to go home. She would
Speaker 1: never come up to the door. So in this dinner party,
Speaker 1: what was the other thing that happened? Were they just
Speaker 1: like they were skeptical. So yeah, so the first thing
Speaker 1: that happened was her son, Alex was he fell asleep
Speaker 1: on the couch at some point and so she looked
Speaker 1: back at him or she saw she thought she saw
Speaker 1: him going into the bathroom. She used the bathroom. So
Speaker 1: there was a little boy ghost in that house, a
Speaker 1: little blonde boy. And her son was a little blond boy.
Speaker 1: And so she was sitting at the table and she
Speaker 1: was like, where's Alex. He's been in the bathroom for
Speaker 1: so long. And her husband was like, Alex is asleep
Speaker 1: on the couch, sweetie. And she had seen what she
Speaker 1: thought was Alex walk into the bathroom and she was
Speaker 1: waiting for him to come out, and he did not
Speaker 1: come out, and that was her first like oh ship moment,
Speaker 1: you know. And then then the picture frame was the
Speaker 1: last came back. Yeah, they were done, but like your
Speaker 1: family was just fine with it. That's so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got so lucky. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: my my dad, it was kind of an amateur paranormal investigator,
Speaker 1: and so he would take me on ghost hunts. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, he was not like what I do now.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of her fun and so I
Speaker 1: think that was part of it, Like he saw that
Speaker 1: I had an interest in this, and so we would
Speaker 1: go investigate places. But he also used it as an
Speaker 1: opportunity to teach me history or teach me you know.
Speaker 1: It's like a learning opportunities, like, oh, she likes goes,
Speaker 1: let's go to this old fort or this old museum,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell her as haunted smart, very smart parenting.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. And then your ants are witches. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: so I have, um, these two aunts who are I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say, like, I think that they do practice ritual magic,
Speaker 1: and I just think they've always done it just kind
Speaker 1: of naturally, which I think is fair. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people do that. And so I grew up
Speaker 1: with them, um just kind of doing these rituals and things,
Speaker 1: and they're you know, they were the ones that especially
Speaker 1: in my aunt Roxy, who really just kind of um
Speaker 1: was the one who did the seance with the doll
Speaker 1: and everything. And they always remind me of the Aunts
Speaker 1: from Practical Magic. I don't know if you saw that movie,
Speaker 1: but they literally are those They are those two aunts
Speaker 1: in that movie, just like kind of all over the
Speaker 1: place and just doing their own thing. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: do remember my sister was sick in the hospital once
Speaker 1: and I walked in. They were doing some sort of
Speaker 1: like smudging ritual like over my sister with all these crystals,
Speaker 1: and the doctors were freaking out, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what we do. You know, but do would
Speaker 1: you consider yourself a witch? I would? I mean I
Speaker 1: believe very much in the power of intention, and I
Speaker 1: believe in energy and energy work, and um, I don't
Speaker 1: really put like a name on it. I just kind
Speaker 1: of operate under that idea that you know, everything I
Speaker 1: do and feel can affect others and other things, and um,
Speaker 1: so I'm a big believer in that. I do have
Speaker 1: a lot of very good friends who do a lot
Speaker 1: of like really great witchual ritual magic and um and
Speaker 1: our witches, and I love that about them, and so
Speaker 1: I call them in all the time and ask for advice.
Speaker 1: So I love that so interesting. I can't decide if
Speaker 1: I'm a witch or not. I don't know if. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to decide. But so I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: like into all of these things, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how to know if I'm a witch. I always thinking
Speaker 1: myself as witchy witchy, Yeah, totally like more descriptive. I
Speaker 1: guess I just like that's how I feel too, Like
Speaker 1: I'm just like open to bring it all, bring it
Speaker 1: all in. But I don't like, you know, the rituals
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I think you make them, like
Speaker 1: I think it really comes from the heart, Like I
Speaker 1: think it's what you do, what you mean. And maybe
Speaker 1: other like witches out there can speak to this better
Speaker 1: than I can. But I just feel like you do
Speaker 1: what feels right, and you know, you put that energy
Speaker 1: out there and whatever way you want to see if
Speaker 1: you want to visualize it, if you need a ritual
Speaker 1: to do that, Like I mean, that's the way I've
Speaker 1: always looked at it. I love that you said the
Speaker 1: power of intention because I think just in general, like spooky,
Speaker 1: creepy or just being a good person, I've always since
Speaker 1: I was like, I remember I kind of came to
Speaker 1: this conclusion at sixteen. I was like, oh, intention is
Speaker 1: like most important in terms of things, Like, yes, there's
Speaker 1: hard work and there's all these other things, but like
Speaker 1: the intention behind something is so important. So that's why
Speaker 1: I think, like the intention behind what the work you
Speaker 1: do is so interesting and I haven't really seen it before.
Speaker 1: There's so many ghosts, shows and movies, and I just
Speaker 1: think what you do is coming from this like compassionate,
Speaker 1: really like well thought out, intentional place. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: so like, was so thrilled to get to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm just such a fan of your work and
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I think is so special and I
Speaker 1: think it's important. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I
Speaker 1: think more people are seeing that side of it and
Speaker 1: I love it. So yeah, it's kind of like taking
Speaker 1: a little bit of the what you call it, like
Speaker 1: the novelty, which is obviously always always going to be
Speaker 1: novel when you can't explain something. But I feel that
Speaker 1: I feel that way about love too, like why I
Speaker 1: love and there's so many love songs, there's so many
Speaker 1: love stories, and why love is so intoxicating is because
Speaker 1: you can't explain why, and sometimes it comes out nowhere.
Speaker 1: You can't really see it, you can't grasp it, you
Speaker 1: can't really buy it, but it's there and you feel
Speaker 1: it and it exists. And so I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like the supernatural and paranormal is a little bit like that,
Speaker 1: where it's like it exists, I feel it, I see it,
Speaker 1: I know it's there, but like I can't grab it,
Speaker 1: which I love. I love that there are a couple
Speaker 1: of things in life that you can't purchase or like
Speaker 1: explain everything away about it. I think it keeps life magical. No,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I've always looked at what we do
Speaker 1: as magic, like there there's something magical about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I love that you see it that way as
Speaker 1: why I do because I don't always be people who
Speaker 1: see it that way. I've always tried to convince them.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's just the whole world is magical. There's
Speaker 1: certain aspects of it, like you said that you can't
Speaker 1: buy or purchase, you have to just feel it and
Speaker 1: experience it. And yeah, absolutely, I think that's why not
Speaker 1: everybody experience is the paranormal or the magical. My god,
Speaker 1: if my podcast could inspire one person to open their
Speaker 1: heart up to just a little bit of magic, that's
Speaker 1: like basically my goal in life, I think is to
Speaker 1: try to like magic, magic it up. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that especially right now, we need it. We need
Speaker 1: it in this world right now. We need Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: good for sure, that's magic with good intention. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: love absolutely, that's going to be my mantra today. Do
Speaker 1: you want to tell everybody who's listening where can they
Speaker 1: find you? Oh? Well, I'm on all the social media
Speaker 1: as at Amy BRUNEI A M Y b R, You
Speaker 1: and I and then Kindred Spirits is streaming on Discovery
Speaker 1: Plus we have five seasons on their bore to come
Speaker 1: and Um I have a book out called Life with
Speaker 1: the Afterlife Thirteen Truths I learned about ghosts um that
Speaker 1: talks about a lot of what we talked about, just
Speaker 1: kind of getting more philosophical about things and stuff. So
Speaker 1: that's a good start. I love that. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: everybody for listening. I hope you had fun hearing about
Speaker 1: all the creepy um dolls that Amy has and all
Speaker 1: the other like lily beautiful things that you have to
Speaker 1: say about supernatural and paranormal. Thank you for listening. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being on Cash and the Creepies.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me