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Speaker 1: now she's like eight, and she loves like crawling through

431
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: creepy places with me and looking for ghosts and stuff,

432
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: and so I'm not gonna gonna ruin it for it yet.

433
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: My first encounter with like an apparition or spiritter ghost

434
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: was I always like would go to places and try

435
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: to do the kind of like what you were saying

436
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: you would do in the weekends where it's like for fun.

437
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: So I'll be on tour with my band and my

438
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: dancers and like the whole crew, and then we'll be

439
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee or whatever, and there's this beautiful w hotel

440
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: we can all stay it with a nice clean pool,

441
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nope, we're staying at the place where

442
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer used to live. And everyone's like, oh, great, awesome.

443
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: Or like in Fort Worth there's like a haunted brothel

444
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: and I've had people literally in the middle of the

445
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: night they're like, you're fucking crazy. I'm sleeping in the bus,

446
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: like the lights won't work. I'm out. But so my

447
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: favorite thing is to play shows, play music, and then

448
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: stay it haunted places whenever I can, like in whatever city,

449
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: and it kind of is torture. It's kind of tortured

450
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: to the people I work with, so apologies, but they

451
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: have options, they could go somewhere else. It's just highly

452
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: encouraged to hang out at the haunted place because more fun.

453
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: But it is more fun. It is more fun. Just like,

454
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, give me something weird, but I saw

455
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: so I always wanted to see something or feel something,

456
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: and then I saw an apparition of a woman, but

457
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: instead of being scared, I felt sad for her. And

458
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: I think that was the first time I was like, oh,

459
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: I think this actually is a spirit or ghost or

460
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: whatever the right terminology is, and I'm not terrified like

461
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to get like the ship

462
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: scared out of me, and that wasn't the case. And

463
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: so ever since then, I've been wholly fascinated with how

464
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: to connect with the other side, because I'm sure we're

465
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: just surrounded by spirits at all times. M Well, you

466
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: humanized her, you know that. That was that moment where

467
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this isn't a novelty anymore. This is

468
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: a person and I feel her and there's something that

469
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: she needs or she wants, you know, and that's that.

470
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: It really does change your perspective on the whole idea

471
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: of a haunting. It does go from like you know,

472
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: spooky and fun to being like a belief system like

473
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: in the afterlife. And and so yeah, it I think

474
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: that a lot of people will go through that, especially

475
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: when they've experienced a hunting for a while. You know,

476
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: we've had There was one woman who that just written

477
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: that story reminded me of where she She died in

478
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: a train act, like a very sudden train crash. This

479
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: train hit her and her three girlfriends coming back from

480
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: a sewing bee in like nineteen twelve or something. And

481
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: this poor woman, her spirit kept running for help in

482
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: the old house that like lived that was next door

483
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: to where she lived, and she kept appearing. This the

484
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: woman who lived there. Now she just would wake up

485
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: and this woman would be like help help, you know,

486
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: every night, and so we had to basically help. We

487
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: helped the spirit by by showing her her death certificate,

488
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: like some part of her had no idea she was dead.

489
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: And so we had to. We we printed her death

490
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: certificate in the articles. We were like, this terrible thing

491
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: happened to you, and we're so sorry. And we got

492
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: these recordings of her and she was like death certificate.

493
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: And then when we explained to her what was happening

494
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: in the last word she said, she was like, I'm

495
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: going home, and then she was never seen again, like

496
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: she she didn't understand. That's so I feel like that

497
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing is so kind. You're you are like

498
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: a ghost therapist. I love it. So I'm trying. It's

499
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: all one gets nasty with me, and then the ginger

500
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: comes out. Well the demons mostly really lovely, a couple

501
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: of demons, and then just some like people that are

502
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: angry about ship. I'm like you, yeah, it doesn't go away.

503
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: Apparently when you die, Lifetime guys started out. Now, don't

504
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: run for your problems. Do you think that there's like

505
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: ever a point where do you think people come back?

506
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: So I don't. I have not encountered it, like in

507
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: a situation where I thought that was happening. But it

508
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, Like it's it's this idea that

509
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: feels right to me in a way, and I think

510
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: that there's a reason why people have kind of naturally

511
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: subscribed to that theory over thousands of years. You know,

512
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: there is that the fact that you have to grow

513
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: spiritually from carnation to carnation, you know, our incarnation incarnation,

514
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: and so it makes sense. I've not seen anything that

515
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: made me wonder, like, am I dealing with someone reincarnated?

516
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: You know? But I mean I've certainly had moments in

517
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: life where I've been around something or experience something that really,

518
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, tugged it me in a way that didn't

519
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: necessarily make sense, you know, and I'm like, is this

520
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: something from like a past life? Is there a reason

521
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: why I'm drawn to this? Uh? So, I I think

522
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: I think there's something to it, and I just don't

523
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: know how we prove it. And then I also wonder,

524
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, what do we what do we achieve by

525
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: proving it too? You know, I think we should maybe

526
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: just all kind of just subscribe to the idea that

527
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: we might all be growing all the time. And I

528
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: think that's a good theory to go with. I love

529
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: that because even what you've said about like spirits and afterlife,

530
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: it's like, well, okay, it just makes me want to

531
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: sort my shop out now and then maybe in the

532
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: next life of I sort a chunk out this lifetime,

533
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: maybe the next life will be even more fabulous, and

534
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: then maybe I'll be Yeah, not a jerk ghost. I'll

535
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: be the funnest ghost in the entire world that I

536
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: would TikTok at people on repeat until they literally go insane.

537
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: I just want to, like a really helpful ghost, like

538
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: earn my keep and whatever house I'm inhabiting, cleaning ever.

539
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: The fact that you love to collect antiques and specifically dolls, yeah,

540
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that. I'm all I

541
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: love antiques obsessed And do you think that there's a

542
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: way too before you bring it into your house, like

543
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: to make sure you're not bringing an entity that you

544
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want. Well, yeah, I'm not sure. So sometimes

545
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it's my duty to take in these

546
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: haunted objects, like I think, I don't know, if you

547
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: see behind me, I have it, Oh my god, creepy. Yeah,

548
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: there's a few of them up there. I have a

549
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of them, but those are some of the standouts.

550
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that don't like to stay put.

551
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: I find them on the floor and here a lot

552
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: but move around. Yeah, my daughter will not come in

553
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: this room. She it's my office. Yeah, She's like like

554
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: the rest of our house looks so normal. And then

555
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, and then Mom's office, So Mom's creepy office. Yeah.

556
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: So um. So I feel like when I'm when I

557
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: find these things, I feel kind of drawn to them

558
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: in a way, and it's almost like I feel like

559
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to have them for whatever reason. Uh. And

560
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't necessarily want to get rid of whatever

561
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: is hanging onto them when I bring them home, as

562
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: long as they weren't being you know, awful. But I

563
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: have a lot of really creepy ship it in my house,

564
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: and I have yet. I mean I have like I'm

565
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: looking at a Victorian hair wreath that's like a memorial wreath,

566
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: where like they would take their loved one's hair and

567
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: turn it into like a wreath when they died. I

568
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: have one of those. I have a spirit trumpet back

569
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: here from seances in the eighteen hundreds, I have a

570
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: spirit trumpet. Yeah. Like, um, mediums would use them. It

571
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: was not true at all, but they would use them,

572
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: and they would say that like ghostly sounds would come

573
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: out of the like come out of the trumpet, but

574
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: they it was like a magic a parlor trick basically.

575
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: But it's old and I think it's kind of cool

576
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: that was used in seances in the spiritualist air. And

577
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: then I have, like all the dolls I have a

578
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: really creepy teddy bear I have I have. It's like not,

579
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of want to show them

580
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: to you because okah, please, oh my god, show me

581
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: all the creepy stuff. There's so much this is. People

582
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: send me the things to like, oh that is so creepy.

583
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: Holy ship that teddy very creepy. I told you, But like,

584
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: people send me these things and I can't like get

585
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: rid of it, Like I feel bad at like something

586
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: this at some point, right, you could definitely get rid

587
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: of that if you watched him giving you commission so

588
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: creepy to send him to you. If he's a nice guy,

589
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: you know whatever he seems okay, yeah, So but it's

590
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: things like that, like I don't even know. I don't

591
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: want to show you the other dolls you'll free, Okay,

592
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: So I read you have one that has real human

593
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: hair that comes out of it or something. Okay, So

594
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: I did so that was the first, my first encounter

595
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: with a haunded doll, and it was Um. I was young,

596
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I was like thirteen years old, and I used to

597
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: go to the antique store like every normal thirteen year

598
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: old and I would just, you know, peruse the place,

599
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: and they had this released cree. The old doll was

600
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: a boudoir doll, a bed doll, and had real human hair,

601
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: which I love these dolls. I have one here now,

602
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: but you can totally show me all your creepy stuff

603
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: before you go, because I'm wildly curious. I'll show you before.

604
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: But so anyways, this this doll in particular UM, I

605
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: took her home and she like started setting fires, and

606
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: so I suspect. So so what happened was I was

607
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: drawn to this doll. I put her on layaway and

608
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: every week I would bring my five dollar allowance until

609
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: I paid off this doll or whatever, and brought her

610
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: home and set her up on my shelf. And then

611
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: a few days later walked in and it smelled like burning,

612
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's weird, and I couldn't figure

613
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: out where it's coming from. And then the next day

614
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I looked and there was like a kind of like

615
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: a scorch mark above the doll, and I was like,

616
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: that's really strange. It was very dangerous. I do not

617
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: reckon meant, And so then I smelled it another day

618
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: and came in and found literally her dress was smoldering

619
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: that she was wearing it had like it was smoldering,

620
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, something is wrong with this doll.

621
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: And uh So I had these two aunts who are

622
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: both kind of kind of witchy and different, and um

623
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: and we my my very psychic aunt, did like a

624
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: seance and she said that this doll had some sort

625
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: of attachment to it and um, so we tried to

626
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: rid it of it or whatever. So I shoved it

627
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: in my closet and it's your clothes. Oh my god.

628
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 1: It was awful, I was, I I And then I

629
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: think we ended up actually burning the doll. Years later,

630
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't even know what happened, but it was just

631
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: like the worst it was. It was. It was scary.

632
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've never encountered a fire producing doll since then.

633
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: But that was again probably one of the things that

634
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: to my interest in what I do. And maybe there

635
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: had been some other rational explanation, but that's all definitely

636
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: was smoldering on more than one occasion. Anything electronic about

637
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: the doll, like mars or chords or wires. Now, she

638
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: was just a booderard all from the twenties, like just

639
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: an old doll. And she was not the wall like

640
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: the wall she was up against. There was nothing there.

641
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: There was no like, there were no candles, there was

642
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: no incense like, there was no like electricity around her.

643
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: It was just that doll. It was so strange. So

644
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it since. But that might

645
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: be why I like them now. I feel like I

646
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: owe her something because I like, alright, lady, you gotta go.

647
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: I have a weird thing with antiques where I like,

648
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: I cannot leave too. If I find them in two

649
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: separate places in the world, I have to bring them

650
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: back together. I like to think of myself as like

651
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: reuniting like lost twin flame souls. So I have a

652
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: bunch of weird matching things that I don't even necessarily

653
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: like and or want, but they match, so they must

654
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: be together. Well, I mean, I love it if it's

655
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: the energy. If you think about an antique, like I'm

656
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: super drawn to antiques, and it's there's so much energy

657
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: infused and then whether or not it's like ghosts, it's

658
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: just people have been around them for so long. People

659
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: have cared for them, you know, think of all the

660
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: things that happened around them over the time that they

661
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: have been in existence. Like if there's something about antiques,

662
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: like I really do think they hold energy, and I

663
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: think certain people are drawn to that, Like I I

664
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: love them, me too, and my mom too, Like where

665
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: we go to flea markets pretty much whenever we're around

666
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: each other, and just like it's it's like treasure hunting

667
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: also to me, but yours is like a little creepier

668
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: because like you want the creepy stuff, I feel no

669
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: one wants it. So I feel like it's kind of

670
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: like you're you're reuniting antiques, and I'm like taking in

671
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: like the orphaned antiques. You're like fostering the demonic dolls.

672
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: Dolls so creepy. So this is real creepy nightmare. Great,

673
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: can't wait. This one's falling apart, like okay, And these

674
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: ladies like to move, they like to move around, and

675
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: you're just fine with that. This this is the one

676
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: that really moves around. So I put everything on top

677
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: of her. But that's this one. Why is she in

678
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: a bridal gown? So this is a bed doll? This

679
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: is this is a boudoir doll. She has real human hair. Okay,

680
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: what is a boudoir doll? Is that like what you

681
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: put back in the twenties. Yeah, it was like a

682
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: big thing with like flappers and the twenties and stuff.

683
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: They would put these on their beds like this. This

684
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: was more for like adults. Was not like a kid doll.

685
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: What do adults do with this? It was like decoration.

686
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: I think she's creepy. I love her, sorry, I'm not

687
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: trying to me. And she's gorgeous. This one came from

688
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: a haunted place. We investigated on Kindred and they could

689
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: not give her to me fast enough. Her head's falling off.

690
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: Her head is falling off. That is so creepy. So

691
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: from wait, someone needs to look at this. One of

692
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: you needs to look at this doll. Wait, look at this.

693
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: If I had not taken this doll in, no one

694
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: would have. So I'm doing no kidding. Oh my god,

695
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: So that's her Okay, oh yeah, she had her. Okay,

696
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: this one is awful. This one. That one looks like

697
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: no offense. I don't want these. Yeah, back of the head,

698
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: I think her hair fell out. I don't know. It's

699
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so they're no eyeballs creepy and think yeah,

700
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: and then there's the sky here mine that looks like

701
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: someone beat that baby doll, and like, I know, so

702
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: this is I willingly bring these things into my house

703
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: because no one else will YE love them that with

704
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: like stray dogs that are just like really minging and

705
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: kind of ugly. She'll just take the ones that nobody

706
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: else wants in. But I would rather take in dogs,

707
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: but I don't have the space, so I take in

708
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: haunted dolls instead of Like I said, my daughter is thrilled.

709
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: And if you saw there, like I am the most

710
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: normal person in the world, that you would never guess

711
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: that those were the kinds of things that I collected.

712
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: I really have to or my occupation that you might

713
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: not be the most normal person. I don't want to

714
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: know what normal is, but judging by those do I

715
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: have to disagree with you. Well, if you see in

716
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: your travels, please send it to me. Oh fun, I

717
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: got you. I see how you're like, I know the

718
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: girl for this doll? Wait, I totally if you see Okay,

719
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: if you see a lamp, it just is like mystical,

720
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: the most magical mystical lamp in the world. That's what

721
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: you can look for. Me that because I love lamp,

722
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: and then I'll look for haunted, creepy assid baby dolls

723
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: with human hair and or no eyeballs for you. Fantastic.

724
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a great trade off. So fun,

725
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: what a very very weak I'm glad we were able

726
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: to bond on this. I love antiques and I love collecting,

727
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: and I believe in spirits, so I mean, how could

728
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: we not connect on that. I also read that pretty

729
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: much like in your familial like in your blood, in

730
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: your bloodline, like everyone kind of around you is into

731
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: what would you call it, the paranormal. Yeah, I mean

732
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: I think that. So when I was growing up, even

733
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: though a lot of my family is very religious. They're like,

734
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, hardcore Catholics and stuff, they still were very

735
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: open to the idea of ghosts and spirits, so much

736
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: so that like my parents never um, they never were

737
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: like ghost don't exist, we lived in a haunted house.

738
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: They talked about it very matter of fact that they

739
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, sometimes they are ghosts. Haunted house

740
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: growing up, I did, and so that was why I

741
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: was never afraid of them. I was just like, oh,

742
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: ghosts or just something that happened sometimes. And so that's

743
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: what really piqued my interest. I saw when I was

744
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: eight years old, I saw an apparition standing outside our

745
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: kitchen window of a man. And that kitchen windows on

746
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: the second floor, there's no way someone could have been

747
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: standing outside that window. And we found out later that

748
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: there was a wrap around porch there, so there was

749
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: a time where one could have been standing there, which

750
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: is not in the eighties. And so, uh, I remember

751
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: just seeing this man and just backing out of the

752
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: kitchen and going to find my mom, like, mom, there's

753
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: a strange man outside, you know it was And she

754
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: explained to me that our house was haunted and that

755
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: sometimes you might see a ghost and yeah, and so

756
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you know, eight years old, just okay,

757
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: I guess that's what happens. So like they were fully

758
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: into it, fine with it, knew it was. There, was

759
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: not shocking, and it was like just part of the

760
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: culture of growing up, as you might see weird stuff. Yes,

761
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we did have a couple of instances like

762
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: we had a family that would come visit sometimes for

763
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: like dinner parties and things, and um, that was the

764
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: first time I realized the family or ghost real people.

765
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: But something happened during a dinner they came over and um,

766
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: they were talking about our ghosts. And there were we

767
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: had two pretty major incidents while they were there, But

768
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: the big one was we were talking about our ghosts

769
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: and how they didn't believe in them, and then right

770
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: then this picture came off the wall and crashed down

771
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: onto the floor and they left immediately and they never

772
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: set foot in our house again. I remember the mom like,

773
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: so that's like the guys was like, oh really, bitches, yes,

774
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: and so it was so and that was the first

775
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: time I was like, oh, maybe this is scary to

776
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: people because I lived with this every day. But yeah,

777
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: the I remember the mom, she would just like come,

778
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: her son would come over to play with me, but

779
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: the mom would like go out on the lawn and

780
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: be like, Alex, it's time to go home. She would

781
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: never come up to the door. So in this dinner party,

782
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: what was the other thing that happened? Were they just

783
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: like they were skeptical. So yeah, so the first thing

784
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: that happened was her son, Alex was he fell asleep

785
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: on the couch at some point and so she looked

786
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: back at him or she saw she thought she saw

787
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: him going into the bathroom. She used the bathroom. So

788
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: there was a little boy ghost in that house, a

789
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: little blonde boy. And her son was a little blond boy.

790
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: And so she was sitting at the table and she

791
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: was like, where's Alex. He's been in the bathroom for

792
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: so long. And her husband was like, Alex is asleep

793
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: on the couch, sweetie. And she had seen what she

794
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: thought was Alex walk into the bathroom and she was

795
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: waiting for him to come out, and he did not

796
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: come out, and that was her first like oh ship moment,

797
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: you know. And then then the picture frame was the

798
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: last came back. Yeah, they were done, but like your

799
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: family was just fine with it. That's so cool. Yeah,

800
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got so lucky. Um, you know,

801
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: my my dad, it was kind of an amateur paranormal investigator,

802
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: and so he would take me on ghost hunts. Um.

803
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: You know, he was not like what I do now.

804
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: It was just kind of her fun and so I

805
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: think that was part of it, Like he saw that

806
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: I had an interest in this, and so we would

807
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: go investigate places. But he also used it as an

808
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to teach me history or teach me you know.

809
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: It's like a learning opportunities, like, oh, she likes goes,

810
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: let's go to this old fort or this old museum,

811
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: and I'll tell her as haunted smart, very smart parenting.

812
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: That's really cool. And then your ants are witches. Yeah, no,

813
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: so I have, um, these two aunts who are I

814
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't say, like, I think that they do practice ritual magic,

815
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: and I just think they've always done it just kind

816
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: of naturally, which I think is fair. I think a

817
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: lot of people do that. And so I grew up

818
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: with them, um just kind of doing these rituals and things,

819
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: and they're you know, they were the ones that especially

820
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: in my aunt Roxy, who really just kind of um

821
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: was the one who did the seance with the doll

822
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: and everything. And they always remind me of the Aunts

823
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: from Practical Magic. I don't know if you saw that movie,

824
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: but they literally are those They are those two aunts

825
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: in that movie, just like kind of all over the

826
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: place and just doing their own thing. But yeah, I

827
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: do remember my sister was sick in the hospital once

828
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: and I walked in. They were doing some sort of

829
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: like smudging ritual like over my sister with all these crystals,

830
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: and the doctors were freaking out, and I was like, oh,

831
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: this is what we do. You know, but do would

832
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: you consider yourself a witch? I would? I mean I

833
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: believe very much in the power of intention, and I

834
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: believe in energy and energy work, and um, I don't

835
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: really put like a name on it. I just kind

836
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: of operate under that idea that you know, everything I

837
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: do and feel can affect others and other things, and um,

838
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: so I'm a big believer in that. I do have

839
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: a lot of very good friends who do a lot

840
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: of like really great witchual ritual magic and um and

841
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: our witches, and I love that about them, and so

842
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: I call them in all the time and ask for advice.

843
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: So I love that so interesting. I can't decide if

844
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: I'm a witch or not. I don't know if. I

845
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: don't know how to decide. But so I'm like, I'm

846
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: like into all of these things, but I don't know

847
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: how to know if I'm a witch. I always thinking

848
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: myself as witchy witchy, Yeah, totally like more descriptive. I

849
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: guess I just like that's how I feel too, Like

850
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: I'm just like open to bring it all, bring it

851
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: all in. But I don't like, you know, the rituals

852
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I think you make them, like

853
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: I think it really comes from the heart, Like I

854
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: think it's what you do, what you mean. And maybe

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00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: other like witches out there can speak to this better

856
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: than I can. But I just feel like you do

857
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: what feels right, and you know, you put that energy

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00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: out there and whatever way you want to see if

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00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: you want to visualize it, if you need a ritual

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00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: to do that, Like I mean, that's the way I've

861
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: always looked at it. I love that you said the

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Speaker 1: power of intention because I think just in general, like spooky,

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00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: creepy or just being a good person, I've always since

864
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I remember I kind of came to

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00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: this conclusion at sixteen. I was like, oh, intention is

866
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: like most important in terms of things, Like, yes, there's

867
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: hard work and there's all these other things, but like

868
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: the intention behind something is so important. So that's why

869
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: I think, like the intention behind what the work you

870
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: do is so interesting and I haven't really seen it before.

871
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: There's so many ghosts, shows and movies, and I just

872
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: think what you do is coming from this like compassionate,

873
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: really like well thought out, intentional place. That's why I'm

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Speaker 1: so like, was so thrilled to get to talk to you,

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00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: and I'm just such a fan of your work and

876
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I think is so special and I

877
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: think it's important. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I

878
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: think more people are seeing that side of it and

879
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: I love it. So yeah, it's kind of like taking

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00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of the what you call it, like

881
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: the novelty, which is obviously always always going to be

882
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: novel when you can't explain something. But I feel that

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00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: I feel that way about love too, like why I

884
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: love and there's so many love songs, there's so many

885
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: love stories, and why love is so intoxicating is because

886
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: you can't explain why, and sometimes it comes out nowhere.

887
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: You can't really see it, you can't grasp it, you

888
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: can't really buy it, but it's there and you feel

889
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: it and it exists. And so I kind of feel

890
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: like the supernatural and paranormal is a little bit like that,

891
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: where it's like it exists, I feel it, I see it,

892
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: I know it's there, but like I can't grab it,

893
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: which I love. I love that there are a couple

894
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: of things in life that you can't purchase or like

895
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Speaker 1: explain everything away about it. I think it keeps life magical. No,

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. I've always looked at what we do

897
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: as magic, like there there's something magical about it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I love that you see it that way as

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Speaker 1: why I do because I don't always be people who

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00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: see it that way. I've always tried to convince them.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, there's just the whole world is magical. There's

902
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: certain aspects of it, like you said that you can't

903
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: buy or purchase, you have to just feel it and

904
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: experience it. And yeah, absolutely, I think that's why not

905
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: everybody experience is the paranormal or the magical. My god,

906
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: if my podcast could inspire one person to open their

907
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: heart up to just a little bit of magic, that's

908
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: like basically my goal in life, I think is to

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Speaker 1: try to like magic, magic it up. I don't know

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00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: what that especially right now, we need it. We need

911
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: it in this world right now. We need Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: good for sure, that's magic with good intention. Oh my god,

913
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Speaker 1: love absolutely, that's going to be my mantra today. Do

914
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Speaker 1: you want to tell everybody who's listening where can they

915
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Speaker 1: find you? Oh? Well, I'm on all the social media

916
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: as at Amy BRUNEI A M Y b R, You

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Speaker 1: and I and then Kindred Spirits is streaming on Discovery

918
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Speaker 1: Plus we have five seasons on their bore to come

919
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: and Um I have a book out called Life with

920
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: the Afterlife Thirteen Truths I learned about ghosts um that

921
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: talks about a lot of what we talked about, just

922
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: kind of getting more philosophical about things and stuff. So

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Speaker 1: that's a good start. I love that. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: everybody for listening. I hope you had fun hearing about

925
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: all the creepy um dolls that Amy has and all

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Speaker 1: the other like lily beautiful things that you have to

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Speaker 1: say about supernatural and paranormal. Thank you for listening. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being on Cash and the Creepies.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me