Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2: Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death.
Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're going to talk about an influencer
Speaker 1: who discovered he had cancer after his daughter died in Utero.
Speaker 1: That tragic helicopter crash in New York City that was
Speaker 1: caught on film. A dead body left in a closet
Speaker 1: in a hotel room. That one's a real doozy, wrong
Speaker 1: lab results that led to an abortion. That one is
Speaker 1: probably going to you guys are going to hear me
Speaker 1: go on a rant about that. A dead fetus that
Speaker 1: was found randomly on a New York City street, and
Speaker 1: more So, First, let me for those of you who
Speaker 1: are watching this episode, I look a little different today
Speaker 1: because I have absolutely no makeup on because I got
Speaker 1: a biopsy on my face, which is just this random
Speaker 1: like dark spot next to my nose. So if you're
Speaker 1: watching this, just that's that's why I look like this.
Speaker 2: You just know you're finding everybody.
Speaker 1: It's not the ugly, it's just like I don't normally
Speaker 1: I put a pound of blush on in my face
Speaker 1: right now just looks like super white, and I look
Speaker 1: ill and I'm fine. I'll keep you updated on whatever
Speaker 1: those results are. But like, that's that's just what it is.
Speaker 1: So anyway, let's get let's get started on this case
Speaker 1: of the influencer who discovered that he had cancer after
Speaker 1: his wife was having a miscarriage.
Speaker 2: This one is so insane. Thank you to the listener
Speaker 2: that sent it in. As soon as she said it,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I have to look
Speaker 2: into this. So Sidney Raz he's a life hack influencer.
Speaker 2: He has over four point five million followers on TikTok
Speaker 2: over a million on Instagram. He shared that his daughter
Speaker 2: died in utero at twenty six weeks and after her death,
Speaker 2: he and his wife had to under genetic testing to
Speaker 2: see exactly what went wrong. And from the test, they
Speaker 2: found that the baby had this genetic deletion that could
Speaker 2: cause stomach cancer. Because of this, he scheduled in endoscopy
Speaker 2: and then he found out he had stomach cancer.
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy to think that his baby girl
Speaker 1: that was going to be born, actually saved his life.
Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, I mean, this is why I think DNA
Speaker 2: stories are so cool. Obviously, this is such a tragic
Speaker 2: thing that happened to him, and then on top of
Speaker 2: losing your child, you now find out you have cancer.
Speaker 2: But I feel like in this case, this ends up
Speaker 2: being best case scenario for him because he didn't have
Speaker 2: any symptoms, and his doctors were saying that they might
Speaker 2: have not discovered it for a couple more years, and
Speaker 2: by that point he would have been stage three or four,
Speaker 2: which could have been deadly. So let's first talk about
Speaker 2: what happened to the baby that the wife was pregnant with.
Speaker 2: Twenty six weeks is far along to lose a baby,
Speaker 2: so that's terrible.
Speaker 1: And they diagnosed the baby with having this condition hollow prosencephally,
Speaker 1: and basically what that is is that you know when
Speaker 1: you look at a brain and it looks like there's
Speaker 1: a giant crack down the middle, it's split into like
Speaker 1: a right and a left half. Yeah, well that doesn't
Speaker 1: form properly. And not only the brain, but the facial
Speaker 1: bones as well, and the fetus could sometimes look very
Speaker 1: very malformed. So sometimes when a baby has this condition
Speaker 1: very severe, they actually look like a cightclops, like there's
Speaker 1: one eye in the center of the head. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: two eyes that are fused very close together and It
Speaker 1: just depends on the severity of the condition as to
Speaker 1: what the fetus would look like in that situation. But
Speaker 1: they said that they noticed it. I guess they didn't
Speaker 1: notice it on ultrasound until twenty six weeks, which to
Speaker 1: me makes me think that it wasn't that severe, because
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something they would have caught earlier
Speaker 1: if it was that, if it was that severe. But possibly,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But lest anytime, I mean really, anytime
Speaker 1: you have a miscarriage so you don't know why it happened,
Speaker 1: you should always try to get genetic testing if you
Speaker 1: want to. But especially with later term babies like this,
Speaker 1: they don't you don't usually have a miscarriage later term
Speaker 1: as commonly, so they really want to see what's going on,
Speaker 1: just because if they want to try to have more children,
Speaker 1: they want to figure out what's happening. So they did
Speaker 1: this genetic testing on the baby itself, on the fetus
Speaker 1: that had died, and they found that this fetus had
Speaker 1: a deletion for this cd H one gene, which increases
Speaker 1: the risk for stomach cancer and breast cancer actually in
Speaker 1: females as well. So once they discovered this gene, this
Speaker 1: is a super genetic gene. This is the gene you
Speaker 1: think of, Oh my mom had stomach cancer, now I
Speaker 1: have it like something like that. So as soon as
Speaker 1: they saw that the baby had this mutation, then they
Speaker 1: were like, okay, well they got it from somewhere to
Speaker 1: be from the mom or from the dad. So the
Speaker 1: dad goes and gets an endoscopy done and they do
Speaker 1: a bunch of biopsies I think he said thirty plus
Speaker 1: biopsies on his stomach. And the reason that they do
Speaker 1: that and this cancer is so dangerous is because because
Speaker 1: it's called hereditary diffuse gastro cancer. So normally when you
Speaker 1: get gastric cancer stomach cancer, it forms a tumor that
Speaker 1: you could see that sometimes causes bleeding, and you could
Speaker 1: tell that it's there, so you could catch it earlier
Speaker 1: sometimes and you could see it on endoscopy when the
Speaker 1: doctor is looking with the camera on endoscopy. This one
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like grows diffusely, so like a
Speaker 1: carpet underneath there, and they can't really see it with endoscopy.
Speaker 1: So when they did his his stomach looked normal to
Speaker 1: the doctor, but they took biopsies and looked at thirty
Speaker 1: plus under the microscope, and one of them had a
Speaker 1: little small area of cancer. Now, if he didn't get
Speaker 1: that found right now, he would have presented when it
Speaker 1: was so late because of the way that it presents.
Speaker 1: It doesn't present as a tumor, like I said, so
Speaker 1: by the time he started showing symptoms and problems from it,
Speaker 1: he already would have been like a stage three or
Speaker 1: a stage four cancer, which just has such a worse prognosis.
Speaker 2: So remember we had a case of this in the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in my book Nicole an Jemy's Anatomy, we
Speaker 1: had a case, a similar case of a twenty two
Speaker 1: year old woman and her grandmother died from stomach cancer.
Speaker 1: And then they figured out that the grandmam had this gene.
Speaker 1: They decided to test the whole family.
Speaker 2: She had it.
Speaker 1: She got fifty stomach biopsies taken and the same thing
Speaker 1: they told her, they found a small area of cancer.
Speaker 1: So it seems really extreme. But the treatment for this
Speaker 1: kind of cancer is to take out a person's entire stomach.
Speaker 1: So what happens because he's pretty young, So what happens now, Like,
Speaker 1: how did they replace it?
Speaker 2: How does it guess when you don't have.
Speaker 1: So your GI system starts at your mouth, and then
Speaker 1: you have your esophagus, which is a tube that goes
Speaker 1: into your stomach, and then the stomach starts pouring the
Speaker 1: food that's partially digested into the small bell. So they
Speaker 1: remove the entire stomach and they send it to pathology.
Speaker 1: These specimens are actually kind of a bitch when we
Speaker 1: get them because, like I said, you can't see the
Speaker 1: tumor that great, especially in ones when we get them
Speaker 1: when the patient had this gene and they haven't even
Speaker 1: had a tissue diagnosis of cancer. We have to look
Speaker 1: at a lot of it under the microscope, and the
Speaker 1: stomach's freaking huge to look at all of it under
Speaker 1: the microscope like that. But anyway, so they cut it
Speaker 1: at the top, which is the bottom of the esophagus,
Speaker 1: and then they cut it at the bottom of the stomach,
Speaker 1: which is the top of the small bell, and they
Speaker 1: just kind of I mean, it's just the GI system
Speaker 1: from mouth to aenus is just a giant like tube
Speaker 1: hoose essentially, So they just cut out a section and
Speaker 1: they reattach it. So the esophagus then just dumped directly
Speaker 1: into the small bal so there's different things that you
Speaker 1: have to change the way you eat because you don't
Speaker 1: have the stomach and the stomach acids breaking down the food,
Speaker 1: so you're having chewed food go right into the small bow.
Speaker 2: So you have to.
Speaker 1: Really you can't eat like bigger chunks of food. You
Speaker 1: really have to chew your food a lot more and
Speaker 1: you have to just have smaller meals. But he he
Speaker 1: really should live a full life with no complications aside
Speaker 1: from just having to change.
Speaker 2: The way that he eats. I mean, again, I'm going
Speaker 2: to reiterate, this is such a tragic thing that have
Speaker 2: occurred to them. But at least he figured this out. Now,
Speaker 2: well he could, you know, kind of come back from
Speaker 2: this and it wasn't an ultimate death sentence, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really it's really cool that you know, science is
Speaker 2: able to do this. I mean, when you test positive
Speaker 2: for this gene mutation, you have an eighty percent chance
Speaker 2: of developing some cancer. So even if you test positive
Speaker 2: for the gene, they recommend you take your stomach out.
Speaker 2: And for women, it's even more difficult because you have
Speaker 2: a sixty percent chance of developing lobular breast cancer, which
Speaker 2: is not the typical breast cancer that we usually talk about,
Speaker 2: but it's it's a type of breast cancer. So that's
Speaker 2: why this genetic it's very important to know when you know,
Speaker 2: when you go to the doctor and they.
Speaker 1: Ask you, did anybody in your family have cancer or anything,
Speaker 1: it's like really important because it could it could save
Speaker 1: your life. And it's it's also very odd too because
Speaker 1: it kind of has nothing to do with why this
Speaker 1: fetus even died. It's just it just so happens that
Speaker 1: they found that. So they still they still don't even
Speaker 1: really know like why the fetus developed this condition, which
Speaker 1: is which is a bummer, but at least it saved
Speaker 1: his life. Well maybe they have the answer, but that
Speaker 1: they're not publicly sharing something else that they found in
Speaker 1: the testing. I think, like I think he was, you know,
Speaker 1: just trying to be open with his audience about what
Speaker 1: he had to get done. And I assume their recovery
Speaker 1: is not easy from this at all. So he's probably
Speaker 1: going to be out of commission for a while. And
Speaker 1: you have people that are going to wonder where you are,
Speaker 1: and so I think when you have a big following
Speaker 1: like that, it's just best to tell them what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's cool.
Speaker 1: For awareness because just a lot of people don't really
Speaker 1: know about it, and we know that that doctors always
Speaker 1: aren't the best at communicating things with people. So it's
Speaker 1: just always good to know when you have people in
Speaker 1: your family that have cancer to always find out like, hey,
Speaker 1: can this happen to me too?
Speaker 2: Is this something that's genetic? Yeah, all right, let's move
Speaker 2: on to this helicopter crash. So last Thursday afternoon, this
Speaker 2: insane video came out showing this helicopter crashing into the
Speaker 2: Hudson River. This is so disturbing because you see the
Speaker 2: I guess it's what the fuselage of the helicopter and
Speaker 2: then the blades just totally separate in the air. So
Speaker 2: think of how scary that must have been for everyone
Speaker 2: inside of it. I know, and I was.
Speaker 1: Saying to you that whether you believe in God or not, whatever, like,
Speaker 1: you have to see that these past couple, especially the
Speaker 1: one that happened in DC and now this one, you're
Speaker 1: just like, thank God that this happened over the water
Speaker 1: and only the people that were involved in the crash
Speaker 1: were the ones that were killed. Because when you look
Speaker 1: at this video and you see this giant helicopter falling
Speaker 1: from the sky. Just imagine something like that happening only
Speaker 1: a few, you know, miles away, not even miles, but
Speaker 1: just right within the proximity of New York City and
Speaker 1: busy Manhattan and all those people walking down the street.
Speaker 1: To think about a giant propeller from a helicopter just
Speaker 1: flinging towards you on the street. I mean, it's it's terrifying.
Speaker 2: Well that or the aircraft itself. Yeah, that had hit
Speaker 2: a skyscraper or a neighborhood, that would have been catastrophic.
Speaker 2: Then you add in the fear of people don't know
Speaker 2: what happened for a while, and then there's fear of
Speaker 2: terrorism and everybody has lnkering PTSD from nine to eleven there.
Speaker 2: You know, this could have been really so much work. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean it just it just sucks.
Speaker 1: I my parents and my sister and brother recently went
Speaker 1: to Grand Canyon last year and they told me that
Speaker 1: they were going on one of these helicopter tours. And
Speaker 1: I said to my mom like, I'm like, are you
Speaker 1: fucking nuts? Why would you do that? And She's just like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And I swear something happened that they
Speaker 1: couldn't go like there, their bus was late or something,
Speaker 1: and they showed up a couple of minutes later and
Speaker 1: they're like, we can't wait, sorry, and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: should really take that as a sign as a sign,
Speaker 1: I was like, mom, that saved your life whatever. Like
Speaker 1: I just I I never want to be on a
Speaker 1: helicopter unless I'm getting metavaced because like I'm about to
Speaker 1: drop that or something. I don't know, but I understand
Speaker 1: that people are in them all the time, and it's
Speaker 1: just I don't know, they just I don't like them
Speaker 1: ever since Kobe Bryant. I'm like, yeah, no, thanks, yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: I'm the same exact way as you.
Speaker 2: Obviously, you guys make fun of me all the time
Speaker 2: because I don't want to do like anything like that
Speaker 2: at all. But helicopters are what we have to tell
Speaker 2: them the latest one.
Speaker 1: Oh. So we're we're going on this cruise to Bermuda, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like like trying to figure out because I've
Speaker 1: never been on a cruise and I've never even really
Speaker 1: been to another country.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: But I'm just kind of like, well, when the cruise
Speaker 1: lands there, Like, can I just like go rent a
Speaker 1: car and wet and gave and I the kids could
Speaker 1: go drive around. And Maria's like, you can't leave the
Speaker 1: proximity of the of the boat, and I'm like, Maria,
Speaker 1: it's it's Bermuda, dude, It's.
Speaker 2: Not like I don't know any going into Like I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about Bermuda. And I was under the
Speaker 2: assumption again you think I'm gonna get like murdered by
Speaker 2: the drug carteller. It's not even murdered. Like some of
Speaker 2: these islands have like crazy like wild animals and stuff,
Speaker 2: and that's why they tell you not to leave the resort. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I'm very naive to the landscape of Bermuda. But it's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. But no, I don't want to go.
Speaker 2: I'll just stay. Yeah, So then me and my sister like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe we'll go snorkeling, or maybe we'll go in this
Speaker 2: cave and stuff.
Speaker 1: And Marie is like, I think, just ell stay safe
Speaker 1: on the boat.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to leave.
Speaker 1: Like, could you imagine being in Bermuda and not like
Speaker 1: wanting to explore the whole island.
Speaker 2: Because you're deathly afraid of everything, all right, just want
Speaker 2: a pedia Colada on the beach and I want everybody
Speaker 2: to leave me alone. Anyway, on the helicopter, there was
Speaker 2: a family of five who were tourists from Spain and
Speaker 2: the pilot, unfortunately, all of them are pronounced dead due
Speaker 2: to the crash. Now the FAA is saying that this
Speaker 2: company has to suspend all of their flights. What I
Speaker 2: thought was interesting was I saw this article on CNN
Speaker 2: today that they the director of operations for this helicopter
Speaker 2: company had voluntarily suspended all of the flights. And then
Speaker 2: apparently the CEO of this company fired that guy and
Speaker 2: said he had no authorization to suspend the flights. So
Speaker 2: now the FAA has said, quote the immediate firing of
Speaker 2: the director of operations raises serious safety concerns because it
Speaker 2: appears mister Roth, who's the CEO for tal, mister Costello
Speaker 2: who was the director for making the safety decision to
Speaker 2: cease operations during the investigation. I do think that's concerning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so why why, like why would and and it's
Speaker 1: so tragic too, It's not just like oh people, you know,
Speaker 1: people die whatever.
Speaker 2: Everyoney's life is. Well, didn't you hear his quote, he said,
Speaker 2: these are machines. They break like did no told like?
Speaker 1: But Siah and and listen to an extent, He's right
Speaker 1: like it it's a machine and it broke. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem the pilot seemed like he was. He was like
Speaker 1: legit and trained. And I mean, listen, we don't need
Speaker 1: the investigation. We saw with our own eyes what happened,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: But like, did it break because there wasn't routine maintenance
Speaker 2: and it wasn't being checked out?
Speaker 1: Or was it truly just a freak? Gags? Regardless of
Speaker 1: what happened. Okay, a mom and a dad and their
Speaker 1: children died like recreationally trying to over New York City
Speaker 1: to celebrate the mom's birthday and then one of the
Speaker 1: kid's birthday. The kid was turning eight the next day. Okay,
Speaker 1: have some heart and be like, you know what, We're
Speaker 1: gonna take off for a little while and try to
Speaker 1: figure out what happened instead of just wanting to make
Speaker 1: money right away. And what person in the right mind
Speaker 1: is doing this after that happened, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just can't even see it. I think this investigation
Speaker 2: is gonna be tough because they said that this helicopter
Speaker 2: didn't have a black box or flight recorders, and they
Speaker 2: said no onboard video recordings, camera recordings have been recovered,
Speaker 2: or any other information like that. So I think they
Speaker 2: are going to have a difficult time finding out exactly
Speaker 2: what happened unless they have people working there that like
Speaker 2: are gonna come forward about possible issues or whatever.
Speaker 1: But that's a stretch, so you just don't know. So
Speaker 1: dol they So they got the bodies, they found, the
Speaker 1: bodies brought, they're gonna bring them to the medical examiners
Speaker 1: to get autopsy. I'm sure they're already autop seed at
Speaker 1: this point. Her brother had to travel from Spain to
Speaker 1: come identify his sister's body, along with her husband and
Speaker 1: their children. So how terrible is that? It's so horrible.
Speaker 1: It's so horrible. So they're going to determine how the
Speaker 1: people died, If they died in the aircraft itself, when
Speaker 1: it was in the air still, or when it hit
Speaker 1: the water, if they died from drowning, or you know,
Speaker 1: like they'll figure out what happened. Blunt damage, probably a
Speaker 1: combination of some of these things. So I'm sure they'll
Speaker 1: release that at some point when all the testing comes back,
Speaker 1: but freaking terrible, guys, we have hit over one million
Speaker 1: downloads and we are celebrating because of it. So initially
Speaker 1: we were having a giveaway contest just to let you
Speaker 1: guys know that how thankful we are. And we had
Speaker 1: all of these prizes, including a copy of my book
Speaker 1: and a year to the Grossroom and some other prizes.
Speaker 1: And since we've had so many submissions and they've all
Speaker 1: been so great, we decided that there still is going
Speaker 1: to be that one grand prize, but we're also going
Speaker 1: to give away a couple more signed copies of my
Speaker 1: book to some of you who are making submissions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so next Tuesday, we're going to announce four winners.
Speaker 2: They will be emailed, of course beforehand that they've won
Speaker 2: the prize, and you have until this Friday to submit
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Speaker 2: this one is extra disturbing for me. So there's a
Speaker 2: new lawsuit filed against University of Maryland Medical Center because
Speaker 2: it was discovered that a pharmacist working there had used
Speaker 2: a special software to hack into their computers and used
Speaker 2: it to download information to stock his female coworkers. All right,
Speaker 2: so let's be more descriptive of what happened here, because
Speaker 2: this is what it should freak everyone out. Apparently, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I didn't even know this was a possibility,
Speaker 2: and I know Gay warns me about it all the time,
Speaker 2: but I don't really I always plow them off. But
Speaker 2: he was able to break into their eye cloud accounts
Speaker 2: and into their personal computers at their house, and into
Speaker 2: their cameras at their house, and was able to like
Speaker 2: see them having sex with their husbands and seeing nude
Speaker 2: pictures they were sending to their husband or something over
Speaker 2: the eye cloud like this. It was up to eighty
Speaker 2: people he was spying on throughout the course of years.
Speaker 2: And that's what's scary to me.
Speaker 1: That he was able to change a button on cameras.
Speaker 1: You know, when the camera's on, sound like he's tearing
Speaker 1: the light off. So yeah, the little green light was on.
Speaker 1: You didn't even know your camera was on. And it's
Speaker 1: just like all of us have cameras on our doorbells
Speaker 1: and in our house and on our computers and things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: And remember Gabe.
Speaker 1: Used to say to pull like he used to like
Speaker 1: put a piece of tape over the camera, used to
Speaker 1: he still does it, and we were just like, dude,
Speaker 1: you are so paranoid. And he's like, people could look
Speaker 1: through your cameras and we're like, well, how.
Speaker 2: If it's not on? Well, isn't this what like Edward
Speaker 2: Snowden whistle blue about our government that they were doing
Speaker 2: that to people.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just so freaking scary that that
Speaker 1: somebody has access to all your shit like that.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and like scary.
Speaker 1: Like why if you're that good, Like why are you
Speaker 1: using it for something like that? You should open your
Speaker 1: own computer company or software company or something.
Speaker 2: It's just so weird. Well, these seem to be the
Speaker 2: type of people that get recruited by the FBI because
Speaker 2: they're such good criminals that they were. They're like, we
Speaker 2: actually need you because we need to learn how criminals
Speaker 2: do this. So, I don't know, this is incredibly disturbing.
Speaker 2: It seems first of all, he's been doing this for
Speaker 2: eight years and they believe he's targeted at least like
Speaker 2: minimum eighty of his female coworkers. So at first he
Speaker 2: was accessing their social Security numbers and I guess their addresses,
Speaker 2: And then eventually he figured out he could get into
Speaker 2: their personal eye clouds, so then he was getting nude photos.
Speaker 2: So then it when he figured out the camera component
Speaker 2: of this, he was spying on either women at his
Speaker 2: job changing or breastfeeding their children. And then eventually he
Speaker 2: was hacking into their systems at home so he would
Speaker 2: see them having intimate moments with their significant others and
Speaker 2: all this horrible stuff. I'm really curious how they figured
Speaker 2: this out exactly, Like who figured out he was doing it?
Speaker 2: And how did this guy have the time at work
Speaker 2: to do all of this without anyone noticing for almost
Speaker 2: a decade.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I did, you know what, though, I
Speaker 1: do think it's a little weird that you would have
Speaker 1: cameras like in your bedroom and stuff like.
Speaker 2: Not well, not cameras if you have a computer in
Speaker 2: your bedroom or your iPhone. Oh yeah, that's a camera.
Speaker 2: It's not like people just have security all over. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, this is fucking scary. It's really scary to me.
Speaker 2: In classic Edward, You're not Edward Twilight, Charles Colin the
Speaker 2: serial killer. Allegedly the hospital or the medical center has
Speaker 2: known about this since last year and they did fire him,
Speaker 2: but of course he's just pushed him onto another facility.
Speaker 2: So as of this article we're referencing, he was still
Speaker 2: actively working pharmacist at another medical center. And only the
Speaker 2: women that were contacted by the FBI know they were
Speaker 2: victims of this, So there are some women that don't
Speaker 2: even know they were targets of his.
Speaker 1: I don't understand, Like, I just don't understand why he's
Speaker 1: not in prison.
Speaker 2: I don't know and there's no qual charges. Why. Clearly,
Speaker 2: if the FBI is interviewing women, they have enough evidence
Speaker 2: to know that he's done this, So how are they
Speaker 2: filing this? How do they have enough evidence to file
Speaker 2: this lawsuit but not enough to get him charged.
Speaker 1: I don't under I just really don't understand it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like, obviously you want to you want you're gonna
Speaker 1: sue the guy. Like what is suing a person going
Speaker 1: to do? He's a pharmacist, he's not, he's not he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a shit ton of money like that.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think they're suing him. I think they're
Speaker 2: suing the Medical Center for not having high enough security
Speaker 2: that they should have that allowed him to do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that for sure, if somebody if
Speaker 1: that's happening at work, and especially if they knew it
Speaker 1: they and they were just like brushing it under the rug.
Speaker 2: This scares the shit out of me. I will be
Speaker 2: following Gabe's footsteps and putting the little cutout posted note
Speaker 2: over my cameras. I think they even make special phone
Speaker 2: cases to do it. It's so terrifying.
Speaker 1: I it no, it's it, like seriously is because then
Speaker 1: like if he could see stuff through the camera, then
Speaker 1: they're like listening to you in your house too.
Speaker 2: Well, Instagram's already listening to you in your house.
Speaker 1: That that is definitely true. But what is the newest
Speaker 1: thing that was popping up we were talking about recently?
Speaker 1: So we know, we all know I have my Mezza thelium,
Speaker 1: my ads, but I had I had a totally new
Speaker 1: set of ads last week that I was like, this
Speaker 1: is ridiculous because I think it was something I just
Speaker 1: said to you in passing, Well, do.
Speaker 2: You want to hear something crazy that happened?
Speaker 1: So I got like some targeted ad for a Phillies
Speaker 1: hat and I liked it, and then I ordered it
Speaker 1: and I got it and it was like not the
Speaker 1: right color.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm going to return it.
Speaker 1: But before I decided to return it, I took a
Speaker 1: picture of it and I sent it to my brother
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't like, I don't really like
Speaker 1: the way this looks.
Speaker 2: Do you want it?
Speaker 1: Because if you don't want it, then I'm going to
Speaker 1: return it. And he said no, So fine. Gabe wasn't
Speaker 1: even home at all when all this went down. So
Speaker 1: then like last night, he sends me a picture of
Speaker 1: the hat and he's like, oh, you might like this hat,
Speaker 1: and it's the same hat, and I'm just like, this
Speaker 1: is outrageous. If it's it's not like it's like a
Speaker 1: very weird Phillies ha, it's like not the traditional one
Speaker 1: that And I'm just like, are we all somehow connected
Speaker 1: that It's like that picture was taken in this house
Speaker 1: of that or something was from that place from this house.
Speaker 2: It's just weird. I think it is starting to connect
Speaker 2: it or it figures out who's in your household, because
Speaker 2: half the reals, Ricky sends me or vice versa, where
Speaker 2: like we already saw that earlier today, so you're getting
Speaker 2: fed the same as that content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and out of the millions and billions of videos
Speaker 1: on Instagram, you're like, how are we both individually seeing
Speaker 1: like the same video exactly when it doesn't even have
Speaker 1: like crazy views or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel horrible for these women. It's
Speaker 2: such an invasion of privacy. It's worse than having somebody
Speaker 2: like peeping in your window, because they're in your house essentially,
Speaker 2: and you don't even know it. It's such an invasion
Speaker 2: of privacy. Yeah, and it's scary because you're just like,
Speaker 2: when you're in your house, it's your safe space. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't think that people are listening and watching you, no, exactly,
Speaker 2: but anymore today you just never know. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: So in Key Largo, Florida, the family of this forty
Speaker 2: three year old woman had called police because they hadn't
Speaker 2: heard from her in a couple of days, which wasn't normal.
Speaker 2: So police figure out that at some point she met
Speaker 2: up with this guy at a local hotel. He ended
Speaker 2: up staying tonight, but checked out the next day and
Speaker 2: went about his day. Apparently, when he checked out, the
Speaker 2: cleaning people saw that there was a bloody sheets and
Speaker 2: towels stuffed in a trash bag, but didn't think to
Speaker 2: contact police, so they just threw it out and didn't
Speaker 2: say anything. Then they cleaned the room. They let another
Speaker 2: family check into the room they stayed overnight, checked out
Speaker 2: the next day, and by the time police get involved.
Speaker 2: At this point, they go back in the room and
Speaker 2: find the woman stuffed in a closet where the air
Speaker 2: conditioner was. So these people had no idea they were
Speaker 2: staying in a hotel room with a dead.
Speaker 1: Body, right, And when you stay in a hotel room,
Speaker 1: you don't normally, I mean, obviously you would open a closet,
Speaker 1: but I guess some of them have a I don't
Speaker 1: know why one would have an air conditioning closet, but
Speaker 1: I guess some of them might have.
Speaker 2: No, that's not true. One of the hotel rooms that.
Speaker 1: We stay in when we go to Cape May is
Speaker 1: like an older building, and I think that there's a
Speaker 1: hot water heater in one of the doors. I never
Speaker 1: looked in there, but I remember opening it and looking
Speaker 1: in there, so I could totally see. I guess how
Speaker 1: something like that could happen. Oh my god, could you imagine?
Speaker 1: Because my kids When we go into a hotel room,
Speaker 1: they open and explore every single inch of the hotel room.
Speaker 1: They just want to know, like this is different from
Speaker 1: where we live. We open every drawer, we want to
Speaker 1: see what everything is. Could you imagine if kids or
Speaker 1: something opened the door and saw a dead woman that
Speaker 1: was beat to death in the closet.
Speaker 2: No, I really can't. And then I have to ask,
Speaker 2: like did that not smell? Because even if she was
Speaker 2: killed that morning, it's hours later, it's Florida. I know
Speaker 2: she was next to an air conditioner, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Not in a day.
Speaker 1: It might have smelled like a little off, but not really.
Speaker 1: I mean just being there a day. If if it
Speaker 1: was like a normal room temperature room, or even the
Speaker 1: air was on it, it doesn't have to smell.
Speaker 2: In a day like that.
Speaker 1: And like I said, like how many times if you've
Speaker 1: been in a hotel room where it like there's like
Speaker 1: a weird smell and you're just like, oh whatever, Like
Speaker 1: a pair of a lot of people don't really know
Speaker 1: what the smell of a decomposing body smells like. I
Speaker 1: feel like everyone should because at least everyone smelled either
Speaker 1: a dead animal or like rotted meat, even if you
Speaker 1: throw it in your trash can and open your trash
Speaker 1: can and it stinks so bad, like it has a
Speaker 1: very specific smell to me, of like a decomp smell.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Like who knows. Do you think
Speaker 1: they tell the family what happened? Or you just see
Speaker 1: this article and you just hope it wasn't you. These
Speaker 1: people have no idea, and like they might not even
Speaker 1: see the article because I feel like I found this
Speaker 1: on like a more I mean, maybe the story just
Speaker 1: came out, but this was on like a smaller local news.
Speaker 1: It's not like from CNN or anything, so they might
Speaker 1: not ever know. I mean I hope they do, and
Speaker 1: I hope they come forward and say, like how would
Speaker 1: you even know?
Speaker 2: It's just it's just messed up, all right. This twenty
Speaker 2: eight year old woman in her fiance, they had been
Speaker 2: trying I have a baby for a while and they
Speaker 2: ended up breaking up because it was too much frustration.
Speaker 2: So they were only broken up for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: and in that time she had slept with somebody else,
Speaker 2: so they get back together.
Speaker 1: So let's stop right there already, Like she already sucks, right,
Speaker 1: like you're trying to start a family with somebody, and
Speaker 1: you break up because you're stressed out about it, So
Speaker 1: the solution is to go have sex with somebody else.
Speaker 2: Well, how do you know she broke up with him?
Speaker 1: She said they broke up because of stress and aggravation
Speaker 1: from inability to conceive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what if he said, I don't want to
Speaker 2: do this anymore still, like three weeks?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 2: No, all right, Well, you're not going to be in
Speaker 2: the popular opinion with this one, because when most people
Speaker 2: break up with each other, they don't like, wait a while.
Speaker 1: So if you really think, if you really like, if
Speaker 1: you're with somebody that you're planning on marrying and that
Speaker 1: you love, you're not having sex with somebody else like
Speaker 1: a couple of days after you, guys break up.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Well I don't think I'm in the minority.
Speaker 2: With that, but listen, I would not, but most people do.
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna be like in the unpopular
Speaker 2: opinion about that. And you don't know why they broke up,
Speaker 2: so let's chill out with me. I do know why
Speaker 2: they broke up.
Speaker 1: It said because of stress and aggravation from their inability
Speaker 1: to conceive.
Speaker 2: But you're saying that if she broke up with him
Speaker 2: and that was the love of her life, why is
Speaker 2: she gonna go sleep with somebody like you don't know
Speaker 2: she broke up with him, He might have broke up
Speaker 2: with her, and then she was like, fuck you, I'm
Speaker 2: sleeping with somebody else. Yes, no, that's that's weird, Okay,
Speaker 2: So your judgment aside. She they end up getting back
Speaker 2: together after a couple of weeks, and then she gets
Speaker 2: pregnant right away and she fears that it might be
Speaker 2: the hookups baby. So behind her fiance's back, this is
Speaker 2: where I could agree she's wrong. Instead of telling her
Speaker 2: fiance what happened, that she slept with another person, she
Speaker 2: meets up with this guy behind his back and has
Speaker 2: not one, but three paternity tests to see if this
Speaker 2: guy is the baby's dad. So two of the first
Speaker 2: two tests were inconclusive. So then they find it another
Speaker 2: place and do another fraternity test, and then she goes
Speaker 2: for it and has a gender reveal party with the
Speaker 2: fiance and everything. This whole time he's thinking it's his kid,
Speaker 2: and then she gets a call from the place that
Speaker 2: says they are ninety nine point nine to nine percent
Speaker 2: certain that the hookup is the baby's dead.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I love that you just think that this
Speaker 1: is the wrong part about it. I mean, it gets
Speaker 1: it gets way worse. So then so then she has
Speaker 1: to tell the guy, Okay, this isn't your kid, this
Speaker 1: is this guy I slept with his kid. And then
Speaker 1: she gets an abortion because of it, and she was
Speaker 1: over twenty weeks pregnant, so she decides.
Speaker 2: I'm not keeping this kid.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get an abortion, right and I don't. They
Speaker 1: don't really weren't really clear on like if her and
Speaker 1: her fiance decided that that's what they should do, like who,
Speaker 1: like what made them decide, But regardless, she gets the abortion,
Speaker 1: they stay together, and then a couple months later, she
Speaker 1: gets a phone call that, oh, we're sorry, there was
Speaker 1: a lab error. And in fact, that guy isn't your
Speaker 1: baby's father. The guy that you're at who's your fiance,
Speaker 1: is actually the father.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying the part that you're taking of it,
Speaker 2: that she's suck with somebody after getting broken up with
Speaker 2: is like the least problematic part of this entire equation.
Speaker 2: It's the fact that, like, she's not being honest with
Speaker 2: her fiance. She's going behind his back and doing something
Speaker 2: and then you immediately result to getting an abortion. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: If you were trying so hard to have a baby,
Speaker 2: and even if it was the other guy's baby, you
Speaker 2: should still go forward and have it and then if
Speaker 2: your relationship last, it lasts, and if it doesn't, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just well and listen, like this is this
Speaker 1: is exactly why there's people who are against abortion because
Speaker 1: of like assholes like this that shouldn't have children. To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, like it, it definitely is a
Speaker 1: thing that should be available for women, but like this
Speaker 1: to me is like an abuse of it. And it's
Speaker 1: just it's just completely ridiculous. And once you hear the
Speaker 1: more things like so now she's saying that she wants
Speaker 1: to sue the company and she wants them to be
Speaker 1: held accountable, and it's just like, dude, you fucking suck. Lady,
Speaker 1: Like she she sucks as a person on so many levels,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I think she sucks because she's
Speaker 1: you know, not being honest with the fiance and obviously,
Speaker 1: if something like that happened, you're not gonna want to
Speaker 1: come forward necessarily.
Speaker 2: I just don't think she treated it the correct way.
Speaker 2: And I think jumping to an abortion, while it's every
Speaker 2: woman's right to have that if they want to, it
Speaker 2: was just rather extreme. And she even said after she
Speaker 2: started the process of it, she regretted it and she
Speaker 2: tried to backtrack, but they were like, it's too late. Listen.
Speaker 1: Like, I've been real open with that. When Gabe and
Speaker 1: I were dating that we broke up a lot because
Speaker 1: it was just like, like all this stuff and the
Speaker 1: last thing I was thinking about was ever just trying
Speaker 1: to bang it out with somebody else. When you're like
Speaker 1: in love with someone and you're trying to like figure
Speaker 1: things out and stuff, you just don't go out and
Speaker 1: have sex with somebody.
Speaker 2: That's your experience, So chill.
Speaker 1: It is my experience, That's what that's That's why I'm
Speaker 1: staying my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're being aggressive about it. Just simmer down.
Speaker 2: The problem is not that she slept with somebody else necessarily,
Speaker 2: like it's it's the fact that the subsequent series of
Speaker 2: events that occurred afterwards. The company should be responsible in
Speaker 2: some capacity for having inaccurate results and not relaying that
Speaker 2: information for a couple of months, but they should not
Speaker 2: be responsible for her deciding to get an abortion because
Speaker 2: of that, because this is such a weird situation. It's
Speaker 2: just such a weird situation. I think she should have
Speaker 2: just told the fiance, like, listen, I thought we were
Speaker 2: done for good and I had sex with somebody else
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's his kid, but I just
Speaker 2: want to make sure before we go forward with this,
Speaker 2: instead of sneakily trying to tell him it was her
Speaker 2: baby while she thought it might have not been his baby,
Speaker 2: and then you ended up losing him anyway. So and
Speaker 2: now you you've lost your child that you work so
Speaker 2: hard to can and now you don't have the fiance.
Speaker 1: Well that's that's what is really is mind blowing, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, Okay, so you were having a
Speaker 1: hard time getting pregnant and then you finally did and
Speaker 1: you were just like like it. It's so incredibly gross
Speaker 1: and selfish. It like makes me like feel so uncomfortable
Speaker 1: inside to hear about this story. And now what like
Speaker 1: she's just gonna stay with this guy and then they're
Speaker 1: just gonna make another kid and then that live happily
Speaker 1: ever after. It's just gross, like you shouldn't ever be well,
Speaker 1: they're telling people that this is okay at all. They're
Speaker 1: not together anymore, so, like it's it's idiotic that she
Speaker 1: even did it to beget so they're not together now
Speaker 1: because they were together when they called and said it
Speaker 1: was actually his baby.
Speaker 2: She got the abortion, and so I guess at that
Speaker 2: time he found out that it wasn't his kid. But
Speaker 2: then they stayed together, and then a couple of months
Speaker 2: later when the place found out they made a lab
Speaker 2: error and alerted her that the fiance was actually the
Speaker 2: kid's dad, then they broke up because he was probably
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 1: He was finally like kid, he was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: finally saw that was the final straw.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with this. I think if you want
Speaker 2: to get an abortion, that's you're right. I think this
Speaker 2: story is just ridiculous, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of fetuses, so this woman was just casually
Speaker 1: walking down the street in Brooklyn and then came across
Speaker 1: fetus on the ground. So ems said that the fetus
Speaker 1: looked like it was about sixteen weeks, which is four
Speaker 1: months pregnant. According to all these pregnancy websites, it says
Speaker 1: that the baby would be about the size of an avocado.
Speaker 1: It's you know, we've got sixteen week fetuses all the
Speaker 1: time in surgical pathology, and I would say you could
Speaker 1: put it in your hand and it would fill up
Speaker 1: your hand. It's pretty decent size. If it was sitting
Speaker 1: on the street, any person in the world would know
Speaker 1: what it was because it's very recognizably human at that point, arms, hands, fingers, toes, toenails, eyelids,
Speaker 1: the whole. You know, it looks like what you think
Speaker 1: of as a fetus. So they have a crime scene
Speaker 1: set up they're gonna show. What they'll do is they'll
Speaker 1: send it to the medical Examiner's office. The autop see it.
Speaker 1: They'll see if there was any evidence of trauma. I
Speaker 1: would say that it's more than likely that someone had
Speaker 1: some kind of a miscarriage and it just I don't
Speaker 1: know if they were outside when it happened, or I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened that it ended up on the sidewalk,
Speaker 1: But I would say that it's more than likely not
Speaker 1: like a crime per se. What do you think I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything else.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 1: Unless I just think it's a product of a miscarriage.
Speaker 2: I think We see this a lot of times in
Speaker 2: young people that get pregnant by accident and they don't
Speaker 2: know what to do and they can't tell anybody, So
Speaker 2: that then that's how this ends up happening, where you're
Speaker 2: finding them like in the trash and everything. I have
Speaker 2: a question though, when it says that the fetus is
Speaker 2: four months old, like, this is not a four month
Speaker 2: old baby, it's a fetus that is four months developed, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I would think, like sixteen weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't really know, because I obviously,
Speaker 1: like I didn't see the scene itself. I don't know
Speaker 1: if there was a placenta, was there blood, was it
Speaker 1: just a fetus on because just like obviously if you
Speaker 1: have a miscarriage at sixteen weeks, it's like you don't
Speaker 1: have a perfectly clean fetus coming out by itself without
Speaker 1: a lot of blood and the placenta and the other
Speaker 1: products of conception. So that would imply to me that
Speaker 1: it was moved from wherever however it left the mom's
Speaker 1: belly at that point. So I mean that's kind of
Speaker 1: the investigation they're gonna have to do. But like you said,
Speaker 1: like and this this could just happen too. Like if
Speaker 1: you if you have a miscarriage at your house, I
Speaker 1: mean you don't you don't have to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: I think that you should just to get checked to
Speaker 1: make sure it all came out. But like sometimes if
Speaker 1: you're four months along and it comes out like the
Speaker 1: things sizable, like what, you can't flush it down the toilet,
Speaker 1: Like what do you? I don't know what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to do with it. I actually think that we had
Speaker 1: a story that, remember, some woman had a miscarriage and
Speaker 1: she I don't know if she tried to flush it
Speaker 1: down the toilet or whatever she did, but she got
Speaker 1: in trouble for it that of like disposing of a
Speaker 1: human remains or something like that. And I don't really
Speaker 1: know like what the proper thing is, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: it varies from state to state.
Speaker 2: But like if you were if you were eight.
Speaker 1: Weeks pregnant or nine weeks pregnant, had a miscarriage, you
Speaker 1: would just like flush it down the toilet and nobody
Speaker 1: would even think that you were committing a crime or anything.
Speaker 2: So well, I think I think it depends where you
Speaker 2: live who considers that to be a problem. But I
Speaker 2: think just in a lot of these cases, it's like
Speaker 2: people don't know what to do with it. I feel
Speaker 2: like in the past, we've had people even right back
Speaker 2: to us that they had a miscarriage at their house
Speaker 2: and they keep the fetus in like their freezer, and
Speaker 2: it's like this way of mourning. I mean, obviously that's
Speaker 2: really intense for some people, but like some people need
Speaker 2: that to grieve and to heal. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: because like I don't know what I would do in
Speaker 2: that case of like preserving it if I didn't keep it,
Speaker 2: because like I don't think i'd want the reminder constantly.
Speaker 2: But I understand why people would do it if they
Speaker 2: need that to mourn. It's difficult. It's yeah, you can,
Speaker 2: you can too.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people bring fetal remains to the funeral home to
Speaker 1: have a burial and everything. I mean, it just depends
Speaker 1: on what people want to do in that situation. So
Speaker 1: I mean again, like, hopefully we hear more about this
Speaker 1: and they tell us like, Okay, it came from here
Speaker 1: or whatever. They can depending on if if it wasn't
Speaker 1: that decomposed or whatever, they could possibly do DNA on
Speaker 1: it and try to figure out who the parents are.
Speaker 1: I don't know, crazy story. I just can't imagine looking
Speaker 1: at that. Well, you know, one time, this makes me
Speaker 1: think of something. So one time I was in surgical
Speaker 1: pathology and someone had a miscarriage. And I would say
Speaker 1: it wasn't sixteen weeks, but I'd say it's more like
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen weeks. Someone had a miscarriage and we
Speaker 1: got a specimen that looked like it was pulled out
Speaker 1: of the trash and it was literally a Rita's water
Speaker 1: ice bag with pops you know, the you know the
Speaker 1: popsicles that you buy at the store or the yeah,
Speaker 1: the popsicles you buy at the store that are like
Speaker 1: liquid and you put the box in the freezer and
Speaker 1: they freeze, and two of those empty wraps like stuck together,
Speaker 1: and there was a dead fetus stuck to all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. Like someone threw it in the trash. And
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was the woman that had
Speaker 1: the miscarriage drew it in the trash and then decided
Speaker 1: to bring it into the hospital or whatever, But all
Speaker 1: I know is I got a big pile of trash
Speaker 1: with a dead feet as stuck to it. So what
Speaker 1: possibly happened in that case is that like you have
Speaker 1: the miscarriage and you're just like so trying because it
Speaker 1: could be traumatizing to see that obviously, and just not
Speaker 1: really knowing what to do and then maybe like calming down,
Speaker 1: calling the doctor them telling you maybe to bring it
Speaker 1: into the hospital or something.
Speaker 2: But it was brought into us like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just think in most of these cases, people don't know
Speaker 2: what to do. And I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: situations where people do get pregnant or they don't know
Speaker 2: they're pregnant, and then something like this happens and they
Speaker 2: freak out and they don't know what to do with it.
Speaker 2: So I think that would more so explain what happened.
Speaker 2: All right, our last story talk about medical schools that
Speaker 2: are planning to stop using kidavers. How do you feel
Speaker 2: about this? Obviously, I think it's a terrible idea. It's
Speaker 2: interesting because recently I did an autopsy and there was
Speaker 2: a medical student there. This was probably like more last year.
Speaker 2: There was a medical student there that was seeing his
Speaker 2: first autopsy and he looked like he was going to faint.
Speaker 2: The people have a very certain look to them when
Speaker 2: they're about to just like go down right I've seen
Speaker 2: it a lot of times. You've seen it with me.
Speaker 2: This guy's like white as a ghost.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at him and I'm kind of and
Speaker 1: and at this point, I don't usually see it from
Speaker 1: medical students or even medical because I don't know if
Speaker 1: he was a medical student or resident. But he was
Speaker 1: like like towards the end of stuff that he was doing.
Speaker 1: So usually when you see people have that reaction, it's
Speaker 1: somebody that's seeing this stuff for the first time. And
Speaker 1: you don't expect to see that in people who are.
Speaker 2: Through their medical school and.
Speaker 1: Through their residency, because obviously they've seen a lot of it.
Speaker 1: And I said, like, what's going on, and he's just like,
Speaker 1: this is just it's just a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, is this your first autopsy
Speaker 1: and he's like he's like, yeah, well I've never seen
Speaker 1: a dead body before, so it's just a lot for
Speaker 1: me to handle. And I was like what And he
Speaker 1: said he went to medical school school during COVID and
Speaker 1: they just didn't have gross anatomy lab because it was
Speaker 1: shut down because of COVID, right, And I'm just like, so,
Speaker 1: you went through all of medical school and you didn't
Speaker 1: dissect a body. And he was like no, and my
Speaker 1: mind is like blown. I'm like you, you're like a
Speaker 1: fake doctor. You can't even be a doctor right now.
Speaker 1: How could you do that without even it's like it
Speaker 1: just should be like against the wall or something.
Speaker 2: You know. To me, that's something you can't really get over.
Speaker 2: As a person that gets really squeamish with stuff like that,
Speaker 2: I think like it would be really hard for me
Speaker 2: to get over something like that, like even with a
Speaker 2: bunch of exposure therapy and everything. And to think this
Speaker 2: person that's been in bed school for ten years and.
Speaker 1: No, they're not in med school for ten years by
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination, but they're in med school
Speaker 1: for four years and he was towards the end of
Speaker 1: it or a resident already.
Speaker 2: So regardless, like, if.
Speaker 1: You're going to be graduating and you're going to be
Speaker 1: a doctor that's taking care of patients, like you can't
Speaker 1: have that thing.
Speaker 2: You just can't. It's literally impossible. I'm saying, there you
Speaker 2: getting over it, Yeah, but I don't want to say
Speaker 2: that because there are people there is getting over it.
Speaker 2: I think that the first.
Speaker 1: Time that you see a dead body in your entire life,
Speaker 1: because you have to think, like medical students are young kids.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're like in their early twenties, right, they might
Speaker 1: not even have been to a funeral before. This is
Speaker 1: literally the first time they're seeing a dead person, to
Speaker 1: see an autopsy, as that first experience is, it is
Speaker 1: a lot because it's so gruesome and it's just a
Speaker 1: lot to process.
Speaker 2: I've seen lots.
Speaker 1: Of people that kind of are like weird, including I
Speaker 1: even think including myself, Like I feel like I played
Speaker 1: it off kind of cool, but the very first time
Speaker 1: I saw it, I was just like, how is everyone
Speaker 1: in this room just totally cool that there's like a
Speaker 1: dead person gutted laying here right now and everybody's like
Speaker 1: talking about what they're going to eat for lunch. Like
Speaker 1: it's a very weird thing to experience and get used to.
Speaker 1: And I think people can. I don't think people like
Speaker 1: you can, but there are people that just are shocked
Speaker 1: initially just because of what it is. But that's why
Speaker 1: I think that it's it's so ridiculous that that's part
Speaker 1: of the whole point of the cadaver situation, is that
Speaker 1: you could just get comfortable around a dead body because
Speaker 1: if you're a physician. In most fields, you're going to
Speaker 1: come across that at some point or definitely during your training.
Speaker 1: Even if you're a dermatologist, you're going to see things
Speaker 1: that are disturbing, you know, like any dimatologists.
Speaker 2: I think see some of the most deserving things. But
Speaker 2: I think even when you're touring a school and you're
Speaker 2: considering it, they should expose you to that if it's
Speaker 2: part of the major you're looking to go to. Because
Speaker 2: I remember when I was sixteen and we went to
Speaker 2: University of the Science Is to look at the pharmacy program,
Speaker 2: and I was really into the chemistry component of it.
Speaker 2: And as soon as they brought us in that little
Speaker 2: room and they're like, this is where we practice giving injections,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm good, I'm out. I don't want
Speaker 2: to do this, which is absolutely ridiculous, but I know
Speaker 2: this about myself, and then I didn't waste all this
Speaker 2: money going to school for something that I can't get over.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's crazy that.
Speaker 1: We had that with one of the girls in my
Speaker 1: PA class too, honestly, that she just like whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the whole point is, though they have all I know
Speaker 1: that they have like all this awesome technology they have,
Speaker 1: like three D visualization and augmented reality and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but it's just not ever going to
Speaker 1: be the same as sticking your hands in a body
Speaker 1: and just seeing. One of the things with cadavers is
Speaker 1: you could have five in front of you and all
Speaker 1: other anatomy looks kind of different because of anatomic variation,
Speaker 1: and it's just not something you're going to get from
Speaker 1: a computer thing. You're not going to be able to
Speaker 1: touch and feel what it feels like. And like I understand,
Speaker 1: some fields of medicine are a little bit more like
Speaker 1: family medicine or something like that, that you're not really like,
Speaker 1: you're not doing surgery, You're not going to have your
Speaker 1: hands inside of somebody like that, especially pathology or dermatology
Speaker 1: like things that you're going to actually need to like
Speaker 1: touch and feel to see what.
Speaker 2: Things are like.
Speaker 1: But I still think that it's I think that it's
Speaker 1: just a terrible idea because ultimately every one of these
Speaker 1: people that are graduating are going to have to work
Speaker 1: on a real person and that's really the only way
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to do it and to
Speaker 1: see a lot of it. I've already been kind of
Speaker 1: against how much work they've been taking off of some
Speaker 1: of the residents in pathology, especially because just the you
Speaker 1: just get better the more you see. It's just like
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper gets better at baseball because he plays. He
Speaker 1: practices and practices and practices. It's just like it's the
Speaker 1: same as acting with medicine. You just get better the
Speaker 1: more that you see. And the only way that you're
Speaker 1: going to see like real life is because like these
Speaker 1: programs are just like AI. They're not always right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, They are not always giving you
Speaker 1: what you would see, and it just it just is
Speaker 1: terrible for your critical thinking skills and all that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's concerns with the kidavers, and I understand
Speaker 1: that because because of the shadiness that goes along with
Speaker 1: that whole entire field, and I guess that's why they're
Speaker 1: going away from it more. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: more because of that or because of just the money
Speaker 1: that it costs for it. I mean, you have to
Speaker 1: have special labs for cadavers, you have to have employees
Speaker 1: that take care of the cadavers, because you can't they'll
Speaker 1: dry out and they'll get all gross and moldy and stuff,
Speaker 1: so there has to be people that know how to
Speaker 1: take care of them. And you know, it's not very
Speaker 1: regulated a lot like from when you donate your body
Speaker 1: to science, it's pretty regulated, but then once people get
Speaker 1: the body, it's not as regulated. And I think our
Speaker 1: body was like five thousand dollars for PA school and
Speaker 1: we shared it and it was awesome. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's just something I don't know. I personally think there's
Speaker 1: just something that you have to do. But whatever, I
Speaker 1: guess that will be. We'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's move on to Questions of the Day.
Speaker 2: Every Friday at the at mother nos Death Instagram account,
Speaker 2: you guys could head over to our story and ask
Speaker 2: us whatever you want. First. On a recent episode, you
Speaker 2: said that you believe vitamins and supplements are a scam.
Speaker 2: What do you think about all the recommended vitamin for
Speaker 2: bariatric surgery patients? Well, I don't know if I act
Speaker 2: like if I think that they're a scam one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: like I think they definitely have a place for some people.
Speaker 2: And I told you guys, like my little one has
Speaker 2: had to get some treatment for she had to get
Speaker 2: some infusion for her bone issue, and the first time
Speaker 2: she got it done, she was supposed to do so
Speaker 2: she's supposed to take thumb's which would be like a
Speaker 2: calcium supplement for a couple of weeks before she gets
Speaker 2: it done. And here I was giving them to her
Speaker 2: every day and she was hiding them, and I found
Speaker 2: like a pile of film in her room after she
Speaker 2: got it done. But when she got the infusion of
Speaker 2: this medication, she was in so much pain in her
Speaker 2: bones and I couldn't figure out why. And the doctor
Speaker 2: was like, well, did she take to calcium And I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: she did, I don't know, But then I found all
Speaker 2: of them that she didn't take. So the second time around,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, obviously I have to sit here
Speaker 2: and like watch her chew every one of these and
Speaker 2: she did, and then when she got the treatment, it
Speaker 2: was like it was like she didn't have any issues
Speaker 2: at all. So like that calcium supplement worked for her
Speaker 2: in that specific instance. And I just think a lot
Speaker 2: of times, like when you're watching TikTok or Instagram or
Speaker 2: something and all these people are like, oh, you have
Speaker 2: to take magnesium for this and you have to take
Speaker 2: like what are some examples Because of my like perimanopausal symptoms,
Speaker 2: there was like all these supplements I took and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I was just kind of like, Okay, this didn't
Speaker 2: do anything. I took them for months and like I
Speaker 2: stopped taking them, and it like a lot of it's
Speaker 2: a scam, honestly. But if your doctor is recommending that
Speaker 2: you take them prior to bariatric surgery, I think you
Speaker 2: should because usually prior to getting that surgery, you go
Speaker 2: on a fasting type diet that might leave you a
Speaker 2: little bit your nutrients a little bit lower than they
Speaker 2: would be if you were eating regular food, and they
Speaker 2: want to make sure that your your vitamins and are
Speaker 2: healthy when they do the surgery. So I think they
Speaker 2: definitely have a purpose, But you know, I just think
Speaker 2: that sometimes it's a scam. All of these companies that
Speaker 2: sell My husband, honestly, he's famous for it. He's like
Speaker 2: taken this Gommy and this gummy, and I'm just like
Speaker 2: I should just go in the bathroom right down and
Speaker 2: count how much money he spends a month on some
Speaker 2: of these things, like this is this beat one, and
Speaker 2: this is this this greens one, and all this, and
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like, is this really doing anything
Speaker 2: for you? I don't really know. I'm surprised Lubert didn't
Speaker 2: want to take the thumbs because of all things you
Speaker 2: could take, they taste kind of like candy, so so
Speaker 2: she wasn't. I don't I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that they taste like sweet tarts kind of
Speaker 1: or something. They're just like one of those kinds of candies.
Speaker 1: So she figured out I bought her like after that,
Speaker 1: like all the different flavors, and then she fingured out
Speaker 1: that she liked the Pina colada ones.
Speaker 2: So now like she takes them without a problem.
Speaker 1: It just was I don't even know if she was
Speaker 1: not taking it. I feel like she was just taking
Speaker 1: it to be like I'm not taking it because you
Speaker 1: said I should or whatever. But but then she learned
Speaker 1: her lesson. Oh she learned her lesson. And I'm like
Speaker 1: all like naive because I think, oh, I've been doing
Speaker 1: the right thing the whole time.
Speaker 2: I mean, she was nine.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe she's kind of at the younger
Speaker 1: age to like trust that she was doing it. I
Speaker 1: just I didn't even think a kid would ever argue
Speaker 1: about taking Tom's honestly.
Speaker 2: All right. Next, tips for getting accepted into a competitive
Speaker 2: PA program.
Speaker 1: I think that you have to have some kind of
Speaker 1: experience usually that sticks out. Of course, it's really hard
Speaker 1: right now, Like if you walk in and you're like, oh, well, hi,
Speaker 1: I volunteered at the Medical Examiner's office for a summer, like,
Speaker 1: obviously that's going to put you ahead.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if.
Speaker 1: You could do that stuff anymore, because I'm hearing more
Speaker 1: and more that people aren't letting people in turn like that.
Speaker 1: So but I'm sure there's some places that still do that.
Speaker 1: Just any kind of experience you can get that makes
Speaker 1: them know that you kind of understand what the field
Speaker 1: is and you know for sure you want to do
Speaker 1: this and you're ready to do this.
Speaker 2: That's all I could say. All right. The last one's
Speaker 2: for me. Was there ever a time growing up where
Speaker 2: you didn't want to look or style like your mom?
Speaker 1: Wasn't.
Speaker 2: I just talking to the kids about this in the
Speaker 2: car because they said something about a haircut, and I said,
Speaker 2: at least you didn't have to have matching haircuts with mommy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's when you were like five, so we used
Speaker 2: to have matching haircuts. When I was a little kid,
Speaker 2: which was crazy because it was like the late nineties,
Speaker 2: early two thousands, So it was either like a pixie
Speaker 2: cut or that really short, like flared out what would
Speaker 2: you even call that? Look? They're really short but flared
Speaker 2: out at the bottom.
Speaker 1: Oh, just like it's kind of like retro, like a
Speaker 1: flip like bob, Like a bob that's flipped out.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, but it was like really short. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know what it's called anyway. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think we have similar styles naturally, but also very different.
Speaker 2: You typically like to lean into like the lacy, more
Speaker 2: victorian lady look, and I wear like more grandma crochet
Speaker 2: knit type of things. I wear a lot of different colors.
Speaker 2: You definitely don't. You have a very specific color palette.
Speaker 2: I try to stick to the color palette and that's
Speaker 2: the background for the show, But in everyday life, I
Speaker 2: wear oranges, green, green, and ore, the ugliest colors ever.
Speaker 1: For you.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's funny because the kids, like obviously, when you have kids,
Speaker 1: you dress your kids how you how you what you like.
Speaker 1: So I always dress the kids in like like when
Speaker 1: they were younger, like skinny jeans and Doc Martins and
Speaker 1: T shirt.
Speaker 2: You know, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And as they're getting older, like I don't ever put
Speaker 1: my opinion as far as that goes too strong on
Speaker 1: because I hate the way that they dress now.
Speaker 2: It's just they're just.
Speaker 1: Like very trendy with the ugs and the crocs and
Speaker 1: the this, and you know, like they always have this
Speaker 1: like certain style stuff that I'm kind of like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's not one hundred percent what I would choose
Speaker 1: as being like cool, but like what what one thing
Speaker 1: that really bummed me out was when like Lillian always
Speaker 1: had the coolest hair ever. She had like that like
Speaker 1: side the side shaved on her head and the long hair,
Speaker 1: and she has really good hair. Both my kids actually
Speaker 1: have really good hair. Not Maria, well, no, I Maria has. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she got my heart.
Speaker 2: My hair's good now because I figured out like the
Speaker 2: perfect shampoo product thing with the bright tool. But before
Speaker 2: it was like crazy you were You're just like blessed
Speaker 2: with my terrible hair.
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, so Lilian, uh, Lilian recently, like I
Speaker 1: guess it was last year or two years ago, decided
Speaker 1: that she was going to start growing the shaved side
Speaker 1: out and I was just like no, Like I was
Speaker 1: really just like didn't want her to do it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, everybody thinks your hair is so cute,
Speaker 1: and I love your hair and it's so cute. But
Speaker 1: she was just like, yeah, but I want I want
Speaker 1: something different. So now it's just like basic whatever.
Speaker 2: She likes it.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of like, Okay, I try to help
Speaker 1: her do it and stuff, but a part of me
Speaker 1: died that day.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're ridiculous. No, I mean I don't
Speaker 2: know it today. It's like, you know, I try to
Speaker 2: be on brand when we're doing work related events with
Speaker 2: the whole vibe we go with. But I my style
Speaker 2: is not too far off from hers. It's just a
Speaker 2: little different color wise really, And like I wear more jeans,
Speaker 2: like regular jeans, not black jeans, and you and I
Speaker 2: wear jellies of what jellies? Yeah, I know you have
Speaker 2: that cute pair of jellies I have. I have.
Speaker 1: I have one pair of blue jeans and when I
Speaker 1: wear them, like I wore them last week and I
Speaker 1: just was like, oh, I feel gross in these.
Speaker 2: I have to take them off. Yeah, Like you're crazy
Speaker 2: about that, Like you'll get jeans that don't have a
Speaker 2: black or gold button though of silver, and you're like,
Speaker 2: I can't wear these, which is ridiculous. I just don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm like a crazy person. What can I say? Whatever?
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