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Speaker 1: My wife hasn't cared about our marriage for years. I

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Speaker 1: want a divorce. Do it, do it, make it happen.

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Speaker 2: Don't let your dreams be dreams. Turn them into reality.

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Speaker 1: That's what they say.

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Speaker 2: That is what they say.

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Speaker 1: I thirty five male, have been married to my wife

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Speaker 1: thirty seven female for seven years, and we were together

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Speaker 1: another three before that. We had a daughter, five female.

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Speaker 1: On the outside, our marriage appears by the way. This

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Speaker 1: comes from Keith Salamander fifty nine oh six on the

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Speaker 1: a slash Okay Storytime Severed it Oh. She and I

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Speaker 1: own an ice house with a good school district, have

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Speaker 1: a great kid in Both work full time. Her job

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Speaker 1: requires her to do some travel and wants her in

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Speaker 1: the office three days a week. My job does not

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Speaker 1: pay as well, but I work completely remote and spend

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Speaker 1: a lot of time talking to taking my daughter to

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Speaker 1: soccer or doctor's appointments, as well as keeping up around

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Speaker 1: the house. Before anyone asks, this is not a way

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Speaker 1: gain issue. I am active and fit and my wife.

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Speaker 2: Is the same.

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Speaker 1: For the past four years or so, my wife has

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Speaker 1: shown basically no interest in our marriage and acts more

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Speaker 1: like my roommate than partner. We have basically no romance

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Speaker 1: or intimacy. When I say intimacy, I know some people

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Speaker 1: will jump to spicy sleep, but to me, intimacy means

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Speaker 1: acting like a couple. Handholding, kissing, cuddling, and obviously spicy sleep.

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Speaker 1: None of those are really things my wife wants to

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Speaker 1: do and makes it painfully obvious that she isn't interested.

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Speaker 1: Before she and I were very much an amazing couple.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Kimberly Vaughn says, don't let your wife stop you from

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Speaker 4: finding your girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: True, move on, move on?

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Speaker 3: On? I mean, at what point I think you have

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Speaker 3: to have a conversation about it, but you can. I

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Speaker 3: think it is totally fine to say, hey, this doesn't this.

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Speaker 4: Is not giving me the Yeah, dude, I was listening

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Speaker 4: to a divorce lawyer on TikTok and they were basically

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Speaker 4: explaining that love is loaned, uh, and that at a

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Speaker 4: lot of times people don't realize how much they love

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Speaker 4: a loan that you give someone or that you receive,

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Speaker 4: and it didn't give a moment.

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Speaker 2: You could just go away if you don't water or

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Speaker 2: what was that one saying.

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Speaker 1: If you don't hand back interest that loan.

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Speaker 3: Also, it's like I think that you you lose you

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Speaker 3: lose love in two ways, not investing in the relationship

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Speaker 3: and then not investing yourself. Yeah, you can't have to

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Speaker 3: invest in both.

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Speaker 1: And those are wise work.

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Speaker 2: Damuel Donner Sam.

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Speaker 4: Hey coaches. Coaches don't play bro.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but he has played. I have played.

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Speaker 4: He's just on the bench right now. He's resting.

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Speaker 2: I am I am resting resting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes players get injured and then they go out again

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Speaker 4: and have an MVP run.

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Speaker 2: That's true. I am gonna have an m VP run.

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Speaker 4: You are Paul George, my favorite basketball player.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thanks.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes players don't play for years and then they

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Speaker 3: And sometimes players get injured and then you know, get

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Speaker 4: Or Michael Jordan got hurt his second year in the NBA,

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Speaker 4: and Jay.

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Speaker 1: Of course do Anyway, my wife also shows no interest

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that you even do it to yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: equal opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Our last anniversary, she said she needed to cancel the

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Speaker 2: Paul's cheating.

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Speaker 1: I think she's cheating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't go to that little intimacy and not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's cheating.

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Speaker 3: Either cheating or if she's going depression or I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but bodies start changing when you get older.

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Speaker 2: How old are they thirty five and thirty seven, that's

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Speaker 2: not old enough to change. No, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I bought this up to my therapist, who suggested couple's

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Speaker 1: saying there's nothing wrong with me. I don't need therapy.

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Speaker 2: I have made.

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Speaker 1: Multiple suggestions to here for how we can possibly improve

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Speaker 1: don't see what five year old wouldn't want to go

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. A romantic getaway for just her and I.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm too.

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Speaker 1: Busy at work, or can't we just spend time together

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Speaker 3: A Shala says it's giving cheating, but let's see it

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Speaker 1: Sheila doesn't want to run to any conclusions.

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Speaker 2: Very temp her to Sheila, very tempered, but we'll see. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So I gave up trying to initiate anything with her

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Speaker 1: and recently began looking for an out. I watched my

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Speaker 2: By really quick, really quick.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you have that conversation before?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: All right, you know how like that you know that

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Speaker 3: like uh that that saying where a marriage should never

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Speaker 2: You've heard that. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I honestly think there should be a rule for divorce

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Speaker 2: Well you should be a surprise, just like they should

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Speaker 3: But I feel like I feel like in this situation,

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Speaker 2: But freakin' cutting you the only thing off camera.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like I feel like if I was

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Speaker 3: cro as Jibby Lee says, but I'm not. And if

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Speaker 3: I would say that, and then if things don't change,

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Speaker 3: then surprise with the divorce papers. Propose the divorce papers.

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Speaker 1: Reverse proposal, reverse proposal, unproposed.

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Speaker 3: I stick by it that you should people should know

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Speaker 3: divorce is coming, but not the hour that you serve

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Speaker 2: Is it gonna come? Who knows?

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Speaker 3: Wait, someone says Sophia. Someone gives Sofia another mic.

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Speaker 2: Is it? Is it just me? Or some of her

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Speaker 4: You just She'll just need to talk into the mica.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you talk, but if you talk here, you can.

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Speaker 1: What if I so that way, if I turn here,

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Speaker 2: Ye, just make sure to talk in the direction. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I recently confronted my wife when our daughter was at

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Speaker 1: leaving her, since I feel as though I don't matter

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Speaker 1: to her and our relationship is never a priority to term.

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Speaker 1: I told her I have an exit plan and if

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Speaker 1: going to file for divorce and full custody.

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Speaker 2: Yoh, that's great, Yeah, which is kind of what we said,

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Speaker 2: kind of go did Okay, never mind, he did exactly

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Speaker 3: Think in this case, I mean, he's like, he's prepared

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Speaker 3: it's not a Haidie Browning says Sam. I disagree, especially

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Speaker 3: that's a different scenario than what we're dealing with here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think for the ultimatum in this case makes sense

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Speaker 1: If not, I'm leaving, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 4: And ninety one percent of the audience thinks that she

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dang, let's go. People are here with us today.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and forty five price way, why.

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Speaker 1: Did she and I got into a big fight where

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that he's blindsiding her because he

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Speaker 2: She has changed them.

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Speaker 3: Changed them. He's not giving her divorce papers. He's saying, Hey,

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's a less ultimated way that he could change it,

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Speaker 3: This isn't working for me. Is there anything that you

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Speaker 4: The response like that you just pulled the trigger already

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Speaker 2: With the response that she's giving yeah, or are you

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Speaker 3: I would give her a minute because she may be

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Speaker 1: I told her, I don't want our daughter to see

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Speaker 1: So Reddit, am I the A hole for what I

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Speaker 1: I have brought up my concerns about our marriage to

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Speaker 3: There is an edit. I would say he is not

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Speaker 3: the the a hole. Kimberly Fine says she's manipulative. Do

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Speaker 3: you think she's being manipulative?

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Speaker 1: I think could be she's saying, oh, well, you're you're

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Speaker 1: an a hole and you're being manipulative for serving me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll fix it.

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Speaker 4: I'll fix it two weeks later, same thing.

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Speaker 3: To be fair, it is hard for people to like

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Speaker 1: Shoy not right for the relationship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah fix Mack says he's just expressing his truth, just

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Speaker 1: Truthful. But I don't think that's the case. Here there

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Speaker 3: What I don't like about this, yeah, is it feels

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Speaker 2: How do you not like feel guilty terrible about yourself?

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Speaker 1: I think that's the thing though, because I'm like when

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Speaker 2: A manner of they probably don't don't have.

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Speaker 1: Slyly Toe says, you have to lie and not let

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Speaker 1: Now with the sale of our house, I will be

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Speaker 1: According to the lawyer, we can have everything wrapped up

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Speaker 2: Excenter time. Just tap by profile that beach today, is it?

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like with like the fantasy character, just

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Speaker 2: He finally goes back to the Shire. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: I'm going to surprise her with a trip to Disney

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Speaker 2: I underworld two different surprises. Which is better world? Really?

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Speaker 1: The bathroom stating should I really want to make her

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Speaker 3: I said it first, right now, and we put it

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Speaker 1: Actually, we just put it on the reruns.

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Speaker 3: My son cheated on his pregnant wife and told me

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Speaker 3: he's not prepared for what I'm about to do.

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Speaker 2: John, What do you think is gonna happen in this one?

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Speaker 6: I think you know what I'm calling a plot twist.

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Speaker 2: Angel.

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Speaker 6: I'm all in, Angel.

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Speaker 2: You know I want to see this.

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Speaker 3: I think this cheating on his pregnant wife he needed

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Speaker 6: Ope.

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Speaker 7: He did it because someone was like, I will literally

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Speaker 7: give you a million dollars to bring your entire family

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Speaker 7: I'm calling he Hey, that's basically OnlyFans, man, That's what

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Speaker 6: It's possible, Browney, It's.

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Speaker 3: Possible OnlyFans lifting families out of poverty since whenever that

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Speaker 3: to his high school sweetheart, Olivia twenty six female. Fake name, guys,

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Speaker 3: so don't try to look her up for five years now.

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Speaker 3: Two weeks ago was my son's birthday. He went out

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Speaker 3: she insisted they go have fun. She's a cool wife

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Speaker 3: like that. She's like, honey, go yeah, stay home with

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Speaker 3: the babies, go go with the full community college friends.

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Speaker 6: I love community college friends.

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Speaker 7: Like he couldn't have just said like his, like his friends,

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Speaker 3: I feel like, uh op, he is like already just

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Speaker 6: Barely educated gang of miscreants.

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Speaker 2: I guess, I guess this is the mom so her her.

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Speaker 6: Son, her son.

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Speaker 7: I was saying, like his, like his, my son's gang

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yes I correctly gendered. Aha.

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Speaker 3: I told my son to cancel the trip and stay

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Speaker 3: So I insisted she stay with me so she can

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Speaker 3: You know, the son going out for a little birthday

449
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 3: chabang and the daughter or the wife is staying at home.

450
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: It's all gonna be fine. Everything is going to turn

451
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: out perfectly perfect.

452
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: After my son got home from his trip, I could

453
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 3: tell something was off.

454
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 6: Oh God.

455
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 3: He wouldn't accept any drinks I offered him, refused to

456
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 3: kiss Olivia. Instead, he gave awkward hugs and was overall

457
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: incredibly cautious.

458
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: Cautious. Something seems to miss John. I don't know what.

459
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: Maybe it's something happened on the boy's trip.

460
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 7: He's nervous about surprising them with the million dollars he

461
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 7: won doing the only.

462
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 3: Things, of course, Yes, yeah, that OnlyFans money came in hot,

463
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 3: pulling the family out of poverty, one, one bang at

464
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 3: a time. I asked him over and over why he's

465
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 3: acting so strange, but he beat around my questions and

466
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 3: went home with Olivia. Throughout the following week, Olivia would

467
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 3: tell me more of my son's odd behavior. He moved

468
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: into the guest bedroom, refused to eat any of her meal, refused,

469
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 3: any kind of intimacy, et cetera. I love also how

470
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 3: the mom knows all of this, Like yeah, dude, like

471
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 3: Olivia's like talking to her is like yeah, you know,

472
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 3: like your son won't.

473
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 2: Bang me like you used to.

474
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 6: I'm trying to bone mama. He won't do here.

475
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: Trying to just I'm trying to get these twins a

476
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 3: little mixed up, you know, get to the little mix,

477
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 3: the mix the belly a little bit with his magic spoon.

478
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 6: Listen, they say you get strange cravings when you're pregnant.

479
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: Whenever I spoke to my son about it, I got

480
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: one word answers or he would ignore me completely. This week,

481
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: he came home in tears, clutching a folder filled with

482
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 3: visibly crumpled papers. After calming him down, he told me

483
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: that on his birthday trip, his college friends hooked him

484
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: up with multiple workers. These community college buddies are really

485
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 3: soub the air people workers.

486
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 6: They're they're they're building a pergola for the new babies.

487
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly.

488
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 3: They're working on his uh on his vacation home where Wow,

489
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: they were having their little boy's trip. Apparently my son

490
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: never used protection with any of them and didn't think

491
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: anything of it until things started burning.

492
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: Oh my, oh god, what a burning thing.

493
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: It tastes like a firing ring bow bow wow desire phararned.

494
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: Who a ring of fire? Oh? So why would you

495
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: not use any protection?

496
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 5: Like?

497
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: First of all, what kind of friends are you having

498
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: that they're getting workers for you when your wife is

499
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 3: seven months pregnant with twins?

500
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: And what kind of guy are you to not use

501
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: any protection? It's just like double stupid, bro oh double stupid.

502
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 6: So painful, physically painful.

503
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: No one else is painful. The two sdis This guy

504
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: contracted GONNERIEA and HPV. I was blunt and why he

505
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: was telling me and not his pregnant wife with twins.

506
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: That's when he begged me not to tell her about

507
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 3: this and let it stay between us while he treated

508
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 3: his infections down below.

509
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 6: Are you kidding me?

510
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: What do you think the mom's gonna do? What do

511
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: you think? What do you think? Oh he's gonna do?

512
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 7: Oh my god, dude, I mean you know it would

513
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 7: be so bad as if you know, there's so many

514
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 7: stories where like the mother in law is like evil.

515
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 7: This is actually like assault of the earth mother in law.

516
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 7: So she's she's definitely gonna tell you think so maybe

517
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 7: it breaks a marriage?

518
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, honestly, Yeah, let's see.

519
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 3: I flat out and told him no, and that if

520
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: he wasn't going to tell his wife, I will. He

521
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: then got angry, shouting and crying, saying how I'm going

522
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 3: to rip his family apart before it even started because

523
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: I refuse to let him have any fun.

524
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to.

525
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: Play with workers. I'm just trying to do a little

526
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Speaker 3: Bob the Builder. You know, can you do it?

527
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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, back to the episode, he.

562
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 3: Accused me of favoring Olivia and wanting to separate him

563
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: from his children as I did to his own father.

564
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: Damn. So that's generational trauma. Coming to next.

565
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: I have to call in my neighbor who am I'm

566
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: close with, to help escort my son out of my

567
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: home and let's just say that son is no stranger

568
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: to escort services.

569
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: Oh, baby, I did.

570
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 3: Find the papers he brought and they were not medical

571
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: results and they were bank statements. Anyway, I'm thinking about

572
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: how this will hurt Olivia and possibly her twins by

573
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: telling her, and maybe my son is right, So please

574
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: help me find a way to do this with minimal

575
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: damage to my dear family. So, John, I'm gonna tell

576
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 3: you right now there is an update, but I want

577
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: your predictions.

578
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 6: She has to tell, she's going to tell, she's going

579
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 6: to tell.

580
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's see.

581
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: In one of my comment replies, I said that Olivia

582
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 3: would be with me until labor and another for the weekend.

583
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: She was going to say the last couple of months,

584
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: but my son convinced her he'd take care of her. Well,

585
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: Olivia is here and she did want to talk about

586
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 3: my son's behavior. As many guests, she does think something

587
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: is going on and confronted my son about it.

588
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: Oh.

589
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: He did not take the accusations well, and a fight ensued.

590
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 3: Things got heated before I arrived to pick up Olivia,

591
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: and when she got in my car, I could see

592
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 3: her arm had a large hand mark on it. She

593
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: was hysterical, and it broke my heart seeing her cry

594
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: so hard. All I could do was pull over in

595
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: a parking lot and hold her as she sobbed in

596
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 3: my car. She told me that she was sure he

597
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: cheated again. Yes, again. Apparently he cheated on her multiple

598
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 3: times in the past. First when they first began dating.

599
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: She forgave him, and then he promised he'd never do

600
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: it again. He then again cheated with one of her

601
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: bridesmaids during his bachelor party. I asked why she never

602
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: told anyone or left him. She said, I didn't want

603
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: to lose my mom and my husband at the same time.

604
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 3: Oh God, that effing broke me. I felt like I'd

605
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: failed her, detect her or notice how he was hurting her.

606
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: I saw them as a picture perfect couple, high school

607
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 3: sweethearts with a set of twins to match. I just

608
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: held her and told her how sorry I was for

609
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: being so blind. All she did was sob I can

610
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: still hear it echoing in my head. I got her

611
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 3: some of her favorite fast food on her way down,

612
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: drew her a bath where she is now, I can

613
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: hear her sniffling and quietly sobbing in the bathroom. I

614
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: feel so lost. My son has blocked my number after

615
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: I took Olivia with me, and honestly, I think it

616
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: was a smart move because I can't trust what I

617
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: would say if I speak to him. I've never felt

618
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: this way before. I don't know what I'm feeling towards

619
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: my son, but I can't call it love or patience

620
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: or care like I'd always had, and that breaks me.

621
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: I feel like my little family is crumbling and I

622
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: can't hold it together. I won't be telling Olivia the

623
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: news tonight in a way I think she already knows.

624
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: Thank you for all your advice.

625
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 6: Damn yeah, damn bro. Should we ask to people?

626
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: Are there any angels? Are there any angels in this story?

627
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: What would you do?

628
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: This situation is if you were ope? You know, answer

629
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: the comments? But John, what do you think?

630
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: Oh? Man?

631
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, we we get a lot of

632
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 7: clear cut a holes, you know, and this is this

633
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 7: is by far easily a clear, clear clear cut a hole.

634
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. The son, the sun, yes, uh? Yes, Like the

635
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 2: wife is ahole?

636
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: The wife no, actually, the pregnant, the twins, twins?

637
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 6: Yeah? How dare you not support your father?

638
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

639
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 6: My gosh, the being in the womb is no excuse.

640
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, like, dude, just like the sheer audacity

641
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 7: of this guy, like what did he what did he say?

642
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 7: Like you would the fact that you would ruin our

643
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 7: relationship over me just having like a little a.

644
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 6: Little fun and like, you know, oh my goodness.

645
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 7: The one thing I will say is I think probably

646
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 7: uh Op and her I guess would be daughter in

647
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 7: law are the angels in this scenario because his wife

648
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 7: was massively patient with him, like yeah, like giving him

649
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 7: a past many times that he didn't deserve.

650
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 6: And then the mom.

651
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 7: You know, it seems like the mom is trying her best,

652
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 7: and I totally can understand where she would have like

653
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 7: rose colored glasses about the.

654
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 6: Situation and be like, oh, like high school sweethearts.

655
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 7: But I love my son's bride to be as a daughter,

656
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 7: you know, the twins, like all the things I can

657
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 7: I do understand where she could.

658
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 6: Have developed those rose colored glasses.

659
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 7: So I don't necessarily know if I can fault the

660
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 7: mom truly, And you know she told her, you know,

661
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 7: she came forward with the truth. She didn't try to

662
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 7: protect the sun, So I don't know that's my take.

663
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I would say, like, I think

664
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: what's really good is the mother isn't trying to protect

665
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 3: the sun like we said, Like yeah, like so many,

666
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: so many moms would just like instantly side with the

667
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: son or try to protect But I think, like Op,

668
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: he's really trying to look out for who's actually being

669
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: hurt here. Yes, and and that's and that's her, her

670
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: daughter in law. But man, this sucks so much, This

671
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: sucks so much. She should, you know, tell the daughter

672
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: in law, but you know, maybe after like a little

673
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: you know, after maybe tomorrow, like after she's in the

674
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: bath and stuff.

675
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 7: But right because she basic basically what happened was like

676
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 7: she did she didn't she straight up tell her?

677
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: Did she just basically infer based upon him? She No, she.

678
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: Inferred, like it's not it's not like like she didn't

679
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: confirm confirm it like the daughter in law already kind

680
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: of knows.

681
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 6: But yeah, but yeah.

682
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: Basically OP can confirm it but hasn't yet. Damn bro,

683
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: Like this is this is a rough one for sure,

684
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: But we would love to know what you guys thought.

685
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: What do you do in this situation?

686
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 7: My father is forcibly inserting himself into my therapy sessions.

687
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: Okayop, this is okay. Ope.

688
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: I'm Samuel's daughter and I'm John Fry and we tell

689
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: the funniest stories on the internet.

690
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 7: So sam let me ask you, like if you can

691
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 7: remember what's like the biggest like argument or disagreement or

692
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 7: like friction that you that you've had between your dad.

693
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: I remember one time my dad got really mad at me.

694
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: I can't remember about something, and I was like it

695
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: was probably about like cleaning up around the house or

696
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: something like that, and I said something like I used

697
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: to think you.

698
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Were a god and now I know you're just a man.

699
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: And I was like eleven or something. That's amazing, Oh

700
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: my gosh, and uh uh.

701
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's the one that comes

702
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: to mind. Did you use that exact line? You know?

703
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: It was it was like it was like basically that

704
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: exact line, right, It was, I mean something.

705
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 6: To be like my superhero and now you're just a

706
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 6: mad I.

707
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: Think I used I used god in man. I was

708
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: I was a very philosophical, very.

709
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Speaker 6: Eleven year old.

710
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 7: Good I was not philosophical at all as a live

711
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 7: year old. Oh my goodness, Wow, that's funny.

712
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

713
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Speaker 7: I think I was trying to remember yeah, Like I

714
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 7: think one time when I was like, I mean young,

715
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 7: like maybe five or so. I was a pretty well

716
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 7: behaved kid for the most part, but there was a

717
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 7: few instances where I acted out. And I remember like

718
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 7: there was like my legs were too short to you

719
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 7: know how you could like kind of sit and like

720
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 7: press your feet against door to like keep someone from

721
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 7: opening it. I was too short between the distance from

722
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 7: like that wall and the door, like my feet couldn't reach.

723
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 7: So I remember getting a little chair and then pressing

724
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 7: my feet on the chair as hard as I could

725
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 7: so he couldn't open.

726
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Speaker 2: They I don't want you, But I mean.

727
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: Did he hold him back. I think he was just like, Okay,

728
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna let you deal with it. I think

729
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: it was like at first he was trying to go in,

730
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: and then after like two seconds, he was like, I'm

731
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: just gonna let him tire himself out of like deal

732
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 3: with this situation later. But you know, they're not Those

733
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: aren't great situations, I would say, but they kind of

734
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: pale in comparison to the situation that we're about to

735
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: get into.

736
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 7: To that let's hear it, my father is forcibly inserting

737
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 7: himself into my therapy sessions.

738
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Speaker 3: Do you don't want your father forcibly inserting anything into anywhere?

739
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 7: Oh good gravy, you do not, Oh goodness, So god,

740
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 7: I sixteen female, have pretty much been shoved into therapy

741
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 7: despite my wishes. I understand that therapy is supposed to help,

742
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 7: but I just don't think it's for me. I also

743
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 7: think my feelings may change one day, perhaps when I

744
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 7: start adulthood officially, which is such a funny, like sixteen.

745
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: Year old essentially adulthood?

746
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: What is official adulthood? Eighteen?

747
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's when you're like not a minor anymore.

748
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: I don't feel like an official adult. I also don't

749
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: feel like I.

750
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: Feel like a little child.

751
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 7: Still, definitely for some a lot of needed context about me.

752
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 7: I've lived with my father and disabled sister for a

753
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 7: few years now after my mom pretty much left us

754
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 7: and chose drugs.

755
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: I'm not really torn up about it.

756
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 7: We never saw eye to eye, and she pretty much

757
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 7: just liked to play video games and leave messes, which

758
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 7: is also like what, like I feel like a kid

759
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 7: would do. Yeah, you know, the biggest issues I have

760
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 7: gone through since she's left are these one. Since mom

761
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 7: left there are even less funds for basic needs. We

762
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 7: all have some form of disability in my family, and

763
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 7: I don't know how much each of us makes, but

764
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 7: all the money goes towards the house. I'm not allowed

765
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 7: to have a job because of my age and because

766
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 7: my disability would be taken back by the government.

767
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: I guess, so it seems like.

768
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: Actually does happen. Sometimes disability actually encourages people to not.

769
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 7: Work right right, Yeah, and especially like I guess she's

770
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 7: a minor, so that there's probably extra like implications around that. Two,

771
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 7: Because my mom left, I have to take care of

772
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 7: my severely disabled sibling by bathing her, changing her adult diapers,

773
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 7: and even making sure she doesn't.

774
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: Eat things that she's not allowed to.

775
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 7: I feel like I've taken my mom's place, and my

776
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 7: dad keeps blaming me for every little thing my sister does.

777
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 7: That's awful, Like she's doing all the work as a

778
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 7: sixteen year old, and you're like blaming her for things

779
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 7: that the disabled a year old can barely take care

780
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 7: of themselves, like for real, Like that would be insane.

781
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, I'm tired all the time, failing in

782
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 7: school and have no desire to really do anything. I

783
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 7: used to be a very motivated overachiever, but ever since

784
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 7: the separation, I zone out constantly and just daydreamed the

785
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 7: hours away. I feel like I lost a part of

786
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 7: me that I'll never get back. Wow, this is sad. Yeah,

787
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 7: it's really intense. I also have depression, ADHD and anxiety.

788
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 7: A few months ago, not long after Thanksgiving, my dad

789
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 7: told me that I have to go to therapy place

790
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 7: near my school every Tuesday. I was not happy about this,

791
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 7: but had little choice. Talking about my problems does not

792
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 7: get rid of them, so why bother?

793
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: I thought, although, therapy can be good, so maybe that's

794
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: a good thing.

795
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 7: I would agree, but you know, op is a little

796
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 7: bit of a you know, the teenager mindset. I would

797
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 7: say here, school is awful, home is awful. Life sucks

798
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 7: and won't get better, especially with this pandemic. So I

799
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 7: start going, and then I began opening up more and

800
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 7: more about my feelings and my sadness. Without going into

801
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 7: too much detail. I told my therapist about my lack

802
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 7: of motivation and the separation, and then I talked about

803
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 7: life at home. I didn't go into heavy details, but

804
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 7: I did mention I'm cleaning up after my siblings and

805
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 7: I feel like my dad doesn't even love me. Well,

806
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 7: a couple of days or so after my appointment, there

807
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 7: was a visit from Child Protective Services.

808
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh what.

809
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 7: They wanted to talk to me and my dad, and

810
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 7: they asked a lot about my sister and well, my

811
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 7: dad put two and two together and knew that somehow

812
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 7: it was my faults. And when CPS left, I was

813
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 7: grounded until further notice. He sold my phone and Nintendo

814
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 7: three DS to a pawn shop and told me I

815
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 7: was not allowed to leave my room except for school

816
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 7: and bathroom breaks, and canceled Christmas.

817
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: Oh my, this is prison insane, like cancel Christmas?

818
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: See fur real.

819
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 7: He told me that I made him look bad and

820
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 7: put the family at risk. I could have made him

821
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 7: lose custody of my sister and me. But I was

822
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 7: told not to talk about the lives or problems at

823
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 7: home or I would regret it. Yeah, so it's like,

824
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 7: go to therapy, but don't talk about any actual problems

825
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 7: in your life. Like, just go to therapy and say

826
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 7: everything's fine. I attend school, I drank water like literally.

827
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 7: I actually felt like I was in the wrong for

828
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 7: telling my therapist of all these problems. I questioned if

829
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 7: I actually lied or not, but I know I didn't.

830
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 7: I didn't talk about the good stuff because not too

831
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 7: much of that was happening. I was very angry and confused.

832
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 7: I couldn't trust myself not to cause the child perspective

833
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 7: services to come back again. So at my next therapy appointment,

834
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 7: I just shut down and didn't divulge anything. I felt

835
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 7: bad about it, but what else could I do. I

836
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 7: didn't want to put my family at risk. Well, I

837
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 7: guess I went about it wrong because she told my

838
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 7: dad that I was not talking to her. And now

839
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 7: for the past month, my dad has been sitting in

840
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 7: on the appointments with me. So he's basically like, all right,

841
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 7: you're not going to talk. I'm gonna just freaking show up.

842
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: How is that helpful?

843
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 6: Also, like therapy is so private, like.

844
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially when like the dad is causing most

845
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: of the problems in the therapy exactly.

846
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

847
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: Maybe like a virtual therapy, Yeah yeah, they do talk

848
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: space talk space for us.

849
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 7: He even makes me leave the room and go to

850
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 7: some toddler toy room nearby so he can chat one

851
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 7: on one with the therapist. I never know what they

852
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 7: talk about, but it makes me feel like he's trying

853
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 7: to make my therapist.

854
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: Believe him over me. I feel completely.

855
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 7: Violated, like I have no sen I'm also frustrated at

856
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 7: everything and feel like blowing up on anyone who upsets me.

857
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 7: Is this normal? I didn't mean to get Child Protective

858
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 7: Services involved. I didn't even know that anything I could

859
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 7: have said would have made them get involved. I'm not

860
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 7: mad at the therapist, because I do think she was

861
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 7: genuinely worried about me. But ever since he inserted ourselves

862
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 7: in our appointments, all she has really done is listen

863
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 7: to him and make suggestions whenever she can get a

864
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 7: word in. That is, he rants and rans and rants,

865
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 7: and I'm not allowed to call him out on any

866
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 7: of it. He'll do things like extend my grounding and

867
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 7: not even let me use things like catch up and

868
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 7: mayonnaise a dinner ridiculous. He has taken everything from me

869
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 7: except my bed and my blanket. I know this is

870
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 7: a lot to unpack. I just don't think it makes

871
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 7: sense without all the context. Currently borrowing a friend's old

872
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 7: phone and using the public Wi Fi across the street

873
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 7: to Texas because my father.

874
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 6: Also shut the Wi Fi off.

875
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 7: Oh my God, also borrow my friend's Ready account with

876
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 7: their permission and for the sake of remaining anonymous.

877
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: This show is sponsored by Betterhelp. Oh yea John.

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00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,120
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00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,840
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888
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,080
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