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Speaker 1: have certain deadlines within which they must must get the

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Speaker 1: material done. Yeah, I mean I have experienced the same myself.

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Speaker 1: And John and I just finished our first novel. I've

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Speaker 1: told you about this years ago, but taking me five

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Speaker 1: years to finish this thing. But it's about the the

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Speaker 1: serial killer on the US aircraft carrier. So I've already

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Speaker 1: got some some interest on the on the film for that.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, I'm going into it eyes

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Speaker 1: wide open, at least at least on let's go around,

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Speaker 1: you know you have to do because you know the thing,

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Speaker 1: everybody's got their own agenda. Everybody's get their own thing

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Speaker 1: that they want, and I appreciate that the business, you know,

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Speaker 1: it just well. So no surprise on the climate of

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Speaker 1: California wearing on you. I really don't miss it one bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad I have the Puerto Rico New York connection.

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Speaker 1: the climate of San Diego for me when there's not

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Speaker 1: a hurricane barreling down? But what else is on the horizon? Man?

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Speaker 1: Before we before we wrap up, is there anything else

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about? Yeah, well, you know my

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Speaker 1: my my young adult fiction series which did extremely well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that, that Camp Dollar series,

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Speaker 1: but I just finished Camp Dollar two point oh. Trigger

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Speaker 1: Mechanism is what it is, and it's a young adult

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Speaker 1: you know, basically designed for young men and women twelve

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Speaker 1: to Eighteen's got a real, real good message as far

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Speaker 1: as patriotism and essentially adopts young kids to go into

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Speaker 1: various like you know, agency positions at a young age

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Speaker 1: and become you know, kind of superheroes, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. And within this world that's created there and

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Speaker 1: it's called Camp Valor, and essentially the camp is run

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Speaker 1: by guys and it's kind of like a mini Seal

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Speaker 1: team but if you will, and they go through all

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Speaker 1: the same exercises, weapons, swimming, getting in shape, all these

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Speaker 1: different things and then fight bad guys. You know. Within

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Speaker 1: was Camp Out scenario and did extremely well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the first book popped up to number six out of

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Speaker 1: what four million now at five million on on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: so that was a real good hit right there, you know,

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Speaker 1: it just it just went right up. And then now

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Speaker 1: the second one we're going to it's just almost done

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Speaker 1: and we're working with Residus over there, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Mark is really excited about it all. So Marx gradd

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Speaker 1: he understands the y A market as well, because I've

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Speaker 1: done a couple of Yre books of them, and he

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Speaker 1: just knows what he's doing. Not to mention he's one

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Speaker 1: of the probably the best editors in the business and

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Speaker 1: just a good dude. Like I just genuinely love Mark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a great guy you know in in the Same Minds,

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Speaker 1: and I really like those guys to work with them,

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Speaker 1: you know, now I've had I don't I guess it

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Speaker 1: worked with most of the major publishers. But I really

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Speaker 1: find Same Minds to be a great place, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they really found a home for Campbell and I'm really

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Speaker 1: looking forward to spending this one out and once again,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got people in l A talking, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be the next you know, this and

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Speaker 1: that and everything else that actually happens, it happens. All

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Speaker 1: I can dictate is my writing. That's you know, I

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Speaker 1: can't help that. Yeah, no, it sounds cool, man. It's

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Speaker 1: very like X menish, which is pretty cool. All right. Brother, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the last minute jump in. But I'd love

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Speaker 1: to have you back, you know, before the end of

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Speaker 1: the year, and appreciate the catch up and and the

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Speaker 1: and the straight talk as always. Yeah, I'll be out

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Speaker 1: there and you keep you going in a general role

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Speaker 1: there in Gotholam City and you know I'll come up

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Speaker 1: there a yeah. Yeah, I look forward to a brother. Alright, Scott,

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Speaker 1: take care of man. All right. I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the time with Scott. It was good to catch up.

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Speaker 1: Sorry for the connection issue, but we dealt with it.

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Speaker 1: Scott's a great guy. Like I said, We've known each

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Speaker 1: other almost ten years now. I end up meeting Scott

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Speaker 1: through my friendship with Chris Kyle and those of you

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Speaker 1: that that nowhere don't know, but Chris and I I

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Speaker 1: released The Red Circle, I think a month prior to

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Speaker 1: American Sniper coming out, so we both had books out

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Speaker 1: in the market and we're both kind of having this

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Speaker 1: conversation about many of the issues Scott and I were

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Speaker 1: talking about on this show. And then I ended up

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Speaker 1: meeting Scott McEwen through Chris, and then Scott and I

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Speaker 1: just became became good friends. Um, every time I go

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Speaker 1: out and fly yaks with my group of ex military

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Speaker 1: fighter buddies, yes, Scott God always comes over the hangar

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Speaker 1: and has a beer and a catch up. But it's

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Speaker 1: been probably at least over a year since I had

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Speaker 1: had a good proper catch up with Scott. But it

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Speaker 1: sounds like he's up to some cool stuff. I look

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Speaker 1: forward to keeping you guys posted on on my projects,

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Speaker 1: Steel Fear, which is actually based on a true story,

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Speaker 1: but it's about the Serial Killer on Aircraft Care. So

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Speaker 1: as soon as we we get that book sold into market,

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Speaker 1: hopefully our our friend Mark Resident, we'll we'll pick it

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Speaker 1: up at St. Martin's Press. But all I'll make sure

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Speaker 1: and give some some early looks at the manuscript to

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Speaker 1: the audience like I always do, and then just update

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Speaker 1: you guys. We are in the process of building our

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Speaker 1: super site. So essentially, you know, over the seven past

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Speaker 1: seven years, we've had all these different websites and podcast

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Speaker 1: and you guys know, we started the Great Club a

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Speaker 1: few years ago, but it has been all over the place.

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Speaker 1: So what we decided to do is build a supersite

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Speaker 1: to house all the content, all of our commerce in

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Speaker 1: one place. So starting end of October beginning of November

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Speaker 1: will la buch of the news site and we'll have

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Speaker 1: the domain name for you guys, but all the content

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Speaker 1: will be free. We'll have one member kind of paid

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Speaker 1: member portal portal. It's called the Team Room, uh, and

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Speaker 1: there's some cool stuff in there for you guys. But

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Speaker 1: the the idea behind the team Room is it will

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Speaker 1: have all of the kind of early looks, so you

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Speaker 1: get looks at manuscripts before they become books, videos, before

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Speaker 1: they hit the mainstream site, long form editorial some really

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Speaker 1: cool chat forms in there for for our membership, so

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Speaker 1: we're excited about that. I think it's a good business move.

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Speaker 1: Plus what was happening before was even if you're a

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Speaker 1: software listener, you may not have known all the the

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Speaker 1: other activities on the content side of the business. So

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Speaker 1: now it'll all live in one place. The site will

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Speaker 1: have podcasts, all of our video, all the gear, all

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Speaker 1: the news in one spot, plus the cret club and

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Speaker 1: and and the store which will have lots of merchandise

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Speaker 1: and some new software radio stuff and there if you

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Speaker 1: guys to check out for the holidays. But anyway, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the state of the union. The guys on

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Speaker 1: the content team continue to do a great job and

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Speaker 1: why I talked to Nick who runs our our editorial team,

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Speaker 1: Nick Kaufman. And hopefully you guys will hear on Software

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Speaker 1: Radio a few more of the regular content contributors. We'll

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Speaker 1: be jumping on to to kind of fill in and

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Speaker 1: co host, so more stuff for you guys in the future.

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Speaker 1: But I hope you enjoyed this show and the straight talk.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's tough to deal with a lot of

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Speaker 1: this stuff in the community, but I think on the

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Speaker 1: on the positive side, finally, you know, ten years later,

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Speaker 1: we're starting to see some some changes and doing stuff

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Speaker 1: that I think is going in a positive direction for

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Speaker 1: the seal community and really the broader community of SOCOM

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Speaker 1: and in the special ops world. So it's good to see.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't come without some scar tissue for me personally, but

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Speaker 1: it is what it is. And I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: enjoined this episode and we'll see you next week on

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Speaker 1: software Radio out here, you've been listening to self rep Radio.

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Speaker 1: New episodes up every Wednesday and Friday. Follow the show

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