1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: This recording is taking place before the hearings that will 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: happen with the House Commission, so we will be covering 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: that in the next show. But I want to bring 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: to you today a conversation once again for our Pride 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: as a Riot series with my friend, activist writer, transactivist, writer, 8 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: advocate Tik Milan. You know, I have had throughout my 9 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: many many years as an activist, as an advocate, as 10 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: a policy wonk, have had a of hate relationship with 11 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: Pride and because of the capital list nature of it, 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: right what I'm finding and we're seeing it right now 13 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: with Juneteenth, Juneteenth becoming a federal holiday means that corporations 14 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: want to dig their hands into how they can make 15 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: money right off of the something that is about the 16 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: sanctity of our freedom as black people and the travesty 17 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: that Juneteenth, even as a holiday, needed to exist because 18 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: it was the last of the enslaved Africans that would 19 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 1: hear of their freedom. Right and now you have fucking 20 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: corporations turning around and making ice cream and T shirts 21 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: to sell back to the very communities that they extract from, right, 22 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: and so with pride. You know, I when I first 23 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: came out, I was so excited to attend, you know, 24 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: my first Pride per raid, my first Pride parties because 25 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, as a young queer person, and the times 26 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: are different now, but I just want to imagine, you know, 27 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: bring you back to a time and imagine what it 28 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: was like before there was marriage equality, before you saw 29 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, corporations lifting up rainbow flags, before you know, 30 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: you had politicians even uttering the world gay or lesbian. 31 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: You know, I grew up in a time where Donas 32 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: don't Tell was hailed as progressive, right. I grew up 33 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: in a time when you know, Ellen DeGeneres had lost 34 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: her job because she came out and said that she 35 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: was gay and on the cover of a magazine and 36 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: then you didn't hear from her for well over a decade. 37 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: So when that is the kind of imagery that's being 38 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: reinforced to you, you know, through acts of policy, through 39 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: your church, through your community. The whole idea around Pride 40 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: was to take you from a place of being invisible 41 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: to visibility, take you to a place where the world 42 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: is telling you that you should be ashamed of who 43 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: you are, of who you love, of your humanity right, 44 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: that you are an embarrassment and an abomination. You know, 45 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: the other day I said that there was a self 46 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: proclaimed Christian fascist mob that rolled up on a gay 47 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: bar in the gay neighborhood of Dallas, Texas, and that 48 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: one of those disgusting house members, Lauren Bobert, you know, 49 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: the one that wants to wheeld around her nine millimeter gun, 50 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: had the audacity to tweet and say that those kids 51 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't be at a you know, be at a drag bar, 52 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: be at pride celebrating with their families. They should be 53 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: at church. Bitch. I don't know if you haven't seen 54 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: what has happened to the church over the past twenty 55 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: fucking years. You mean, all of the pedophilia and actual 56 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: grooming that has been done at the hands of religious 57 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: figures who were given children as a way to guide 58 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: and love them and didn't. And then come to find 59 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: out that Lauren Boubert's own fucking disgusting ass husband serve 60 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: time in prison for what you ask, will let me 61 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: tell you. Come to find out he exposed himself to 62 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: a group of teenage girls at a bowling alley. Don't 63 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: believe me, go ahead and google it. So what comes 64 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: up for me is that these people who have the 65 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: audacity to tell queer people that we should be ashamed, 66 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 1: that we should be the ones that are kept away 67 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: from civilized society because we are the ones that are 68 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: harming children. Well, I want you to pull back the 69 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: fucking cloak, right and look under what it is that 70 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: these people actually stand for and who they stand with, 71 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: like the Matt gates Is of the world right, like 72 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Epsteins of the world Daily Coast has done. 73 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: I think maybe now they're in their forty part series 74 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: of sexual abusers, pedophiles and harassers that have been charged 75 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: and convicted within the Republican Party. So I say all 76 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: of that to say that we are at a time 77 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: going back to a really dark time in our society 78 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: where the LGBTQ community, particularly trans people, have been made 79 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: a target of the right, and we are being forced 80 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: during our Pride month and celebration to be worried about 81 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: our safety, to be worried about whether or not our 82 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: children are going to be able to be safe talking 83 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: about their families, their community, in their schools, right. And 84 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: so I have this love hate relationship with pride now 85 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: once again because I see the commodification of it right 86 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: without any of the integrity behind it. I see these 87 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: corporations that are so quick to rainbow up their websites 88 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: and you know, and their Twitter feeds and all of 89 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: these things, but then they give money to the Lauren Beaubert's, 90 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: the Donald Trump's and the Matt Gates is of the world. 91 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: So I'm like, you can't have it both ways. So 92 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: I would love it for all of us for pride 93 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: to go back to a space where it originated from, 94 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: which was there is the society at large that has 95 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: deep problem with people owning who they are and challenging 96 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: the fucking status quo. And because of that right, they 97 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: are trying to force us back into the closet, to 98 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: criminalize our very existence. And so this month, in speaking 99 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: with so many bold, brilliant queer people, I just want 100 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: to remind all of us, you know what pride is 101 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: really about. And sure it is about the fucking glitter 102 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: and the thongs and the music and the rainbows and 103 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: the good time, because that is our way of saying 104 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: fuck you to heteronormativity, of saying fuck you to those 105 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: who tried to coerce us right into believing that there 106 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: was something wrong with us. And so I want, as 107 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, we are seeing the continued commodification, the continued 108 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: assault against the trans community in general, right that all 109 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: of us, whether you are a part of the queer 110 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: community or an ally, used this month as an opportunity 111 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: to learn more right about our origins, to learn more 112 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: about how you can be and active ally. And it 113 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: doesn't just mean attending a Pride parade right or going 114 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: to a Pride event. It means that we are under 115 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: assault once again, that we are being placed with targets 116 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: on our back, stuffed and put back into a closet. 117 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: And so if you have a platform or in a 118 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: position of power to offer your voice, then please, please, 119 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: I urge you to do so. Coming up next, my 120 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: conversation with my friend, activist model author Tiq Milan. The 121 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: Damage Report with John Idarola is one of the most 122 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: popular shows on the TYT Network that serves as your 123 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: daily breakdown of the genuine threats and challenges facing our 124 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: country and world. 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New episodes every Tuesday, folks. 146 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: I am very happy to be joined on woke af 147 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: today by longtime friend, activist, speaker, writer all the amazing 148 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: Things Tique Milan Tique. We you know, are living in 149 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: extraordinary times. I don't even know some days where to 150 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: start with the interviews that I'm doing, but I want 151 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: to start with this. We know through the history of 152 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: our community that Pride began as a riot. Pride was 153 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: about black transwomen leading the charge to fight back against 154 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: police brutality in New York at Stonewall. And since the 155 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: inception of this fight of resistance, Pride has kind of 156 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: become personalized. It has become a part of the capitalistic 157 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: cog in the WHEELM what do you think about Pride 158 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: now versus what Pride began as. Yeah, I mean I 159 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: love Pride, I really do. I love Pride Month. I 160 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: love Pride Season. It's a great time for us to 161 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: get together as a community and to celebrate, you know, 162 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: how far we've come as as as as a community 163 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: as people, right as LGBTQ people. Anyway, it did start 164 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: off as a riot, and I think I think it 165 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: has lost some of that edge. I think, you know, 166 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: I really do love the celebratory spirit of pride, but 167 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: what really kind of pisces me off is how can 168 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: you get to exploit it all of the rainbows everywhere 169 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: of companies who don't give a damn about LGBTQ, people 170 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: who are not really invested in like diversifying their candidate pool, 171 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: who are not interested in making sure you have an 172 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: l LGBTQ people in positions of leadership and decision making positions, 173 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: and it's just kind of displacating and just it's just 174 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: turned into a product. Right, So that is kind of 175 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: disheartening that would start off as a protest and as 176 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of like our freedom song, our our our cry 177 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: for freedom and equality has turned into has been commodified 178 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: and packaged in rainbows, and it's being sold back to us. 179 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: But I think that is the nature of this country. 180 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: This is what we do, you know, and you know 181 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: that we see the for Juneteenth, we saw with you know, 182 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: Black Lives Cream Girl, and and they have place that 183 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: said it's the freedom for me girl, whose ideas that 184 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, there are no black people in the room 185 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: where they decided to do that. Right, So this is 186 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: kind of disheartened to see that that's happening with that 187 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: that has happened with Pride. It's going to continue to happen. 188 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, so with that being said, 189 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: so then what so then what do we do? So? 190 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: I think for those of us like you and me, 191 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: who are considered leaders in in you know, in our communities, 192 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: how can we leverage those privileges that we have, How 193 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: can we leverage our influence, in our power and our 194 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: leadership capabilities to make sure people don't forget that this 195 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: startoff has a fight, that this was a riot. So 196 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: we could celebrate, okay, but go ahead throw those punches 197 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: with a smile on your factually throw those punches, you know. So, 198 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: I think it's up to us as leaders in the 199 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: community to make sure that we don't forget where we 200 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: came from as as as a Pride community, and also 201 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: to lay out some better blueprints for the future of Pride. 202 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: When you see tiak all of the policy attacks that 203 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: are particularly being waged against trans youth in this country 204 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: in places like Florida and Texas and Tennessee and Oklahoma 205 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: and Mississippi, right, It's happening across the country. Yeah. Do 206 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: you think that this, unlike with marriage equality, which was 207 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: its own fight, do you think that these attacks, particularly 208 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: around don't stay gay right, trans kids can't participate in sports? 209 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that this will be the galvanizing force 210 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: or forces to get us back to the roots of 211 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: what pride was about our resistance or have we just 212 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: become too comfortable and complacent. I think we've become too 213 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: comfortable and complacent. I'm really it's I'm really scared about this, 214 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: all this legislation that's happening right now, particularly you have 215 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: like Roe v. Wade actually being on the chopping block, 216 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: and this the prescedent that that can set, and how 217 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: that's going to trickle down and then not for nothing, 218 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: even if the Supreme Court doesn't Even if if the 219 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: Supreme Court doesn't make these bad decisions, these the states 220 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: are already empowered to take away people's rights. And I 221 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: think people are really complacent, And I think there are 222 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: too many people in the queer community who are not 223 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: invested in the lives of trans people, particularly that of 224 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: black and brown trans people. Because they got their marriage equality, 225 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: they got their house alt of Fire Island and they're 226 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: having a good time. Um, and you know, and I 227 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: think what we have to understand it has to be 228 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: all of us or none of us. And the thing 229 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: that really that's that's like that's really frustrating about it 230 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: is that people can be people who are gatekeeping in 231 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: these organizations who are not necessarily who aren't really doing 232 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: the hard work and the nuanced work that needs to happen. 233 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: And that's why I implore people that are who are 234 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: allied that if they're going to donate time and resources, 235 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: donate your resources to grassroots organizations like I love the 236 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: Human Rights curR of Paign, and I love Glad, and 237 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: I love all these organizations that are doing this, but 238 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: they sucking in millions and millions of dollars and are 239 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: just on the surface. We have other organizations like the 240 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: Marster P. Johnson Project and Anti Violence Project who are 241 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: really like doing like groundwork, and those are the people 242 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: who need are funding and those are the people who 243 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: we really need to be listening to. But I think 244 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: just a lot of people are just really comfortable where 245 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: they're all where they are and are really comfortable with 246 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: like turning away from it. Turning away from it and 247 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, retweeting or you know, hashtagging or 248 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: whatever and calling that solidarity when it's just like performance. 249 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: Nobody's really ready to get their hands dirty, and it 250 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: feels like folks aren't really ready to get uncomfortable. And 251 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: the only people that are really doing it is us. 252 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: It's the black trans folks who are out here doing it, 253 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: in the black queer folks who are out here doing it. 254 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm tired, really, you know. It's it is really interesting 255 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about this a lot, which is 256 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: the fact that I don't think that within the LGBTQ community, 257 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: we've done a really good job of continuing to embrace 258 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: and the trans part of the community. I think that 259 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: these attacks are able to be waged at a statewide level, 260 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: at a national level because the trans community is low 261 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: hanging fruit. Oh yea, because we and so what do 262 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you where do you see the breakdown is that we 263 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: have had amongst ourselves that has allowed this kind of 264 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: set up to be what it is right now? Yeah, 265 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, how have we allowed this 266 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: to happen? Again? I think that folks are not necessarily 267 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: putting all the resources in time, to the organizations and 268 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: to the people who can really speak to this issue. Right. 269 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: But I also think it's it's bigger than the queer community, 270 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: because what's happening is this is sault on trans bodies. 271 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: Is because it's because we exist, transgender people, us being 272 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: self determined in our gender and us saying that we can. 273 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna live the way we want. We're gonna look 274 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: the way we want, despite what gender we're assigned with, 275 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: despite what our body parts are, despite how people say 276 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: masculine and femininity, if feminite supposed to look in the world, 277 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: when we do that, we are kind of just turning 278 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: patriarchy on its head. Makes the United makes America America? 279 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: Is it's patriarchy, which gives all of these old white 280 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: men all of their power. Is patriarchy, right, And so 281 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: what we are doing just by existing, we are we 282 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: are dismantling the patriarchy, just by existing in our skin, 283 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: and they can't take it. And that is something that's 284 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: bigger than the community. So it's not even it's not 285 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: necessarily just about the LGBTQ. This is an assault on 286 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: gender and trying to tell people, trying to legislate us 287 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: out of existence in order to hold on to this 288 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: like heteronormative nuclear family, this very white, absist kind of life, 289 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: and that's in us being in the world is saying 290 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: that that's not it, Like that can be some people's lives, 291 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: but it's not all of us. We really complicate the 292 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: human experience to the point where people just can't take it. 293 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: They can't take us because the thing is is that 294 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: you have people in power, and the only reason that 295 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: they are in powers because they're standing on the next 296 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: of us. The only reason people are in power because 297 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: they create this binary system of gender, these binary systems 298 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: of sexuality that are just power structures. These are made 299 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: up power structures, and we are chipping away at that 300 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: power structure and they would rather kill us than lose power. 301 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: That's what's happened. So I think it's bigger than just 302 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: the LGBT community. This is about This is about this country. 303 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: This is about just the power structures or the performance 304 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: and the performance of gender and what that looks like. 305 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 1: This is about talking about gender in a different way 306 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: and understated that gender is something that is self determined, 307 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: it's something that's not imposed. And I think if more 308 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: people understood that, I think the world would be a 309 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: better place. You know well understood that. It's you know, 310 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: the more people are that are understanding it, it's getting 311 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: really scary for those who don't. You know, I want 312 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: to dig into what you just said here because I 313 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: think that it was present in just the right way. 314 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: That gender is something that is not imposed, that you 315 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: don't impose your will on other people. And so when 316 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: we think about what we were taught and how we 317 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: were how we were subscribed to heteronormativity and to cist culture, 318 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: it is through this idea that men do this and 319 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: women do this. The biggest pushback that we hear from 320 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: the opposition, and I don't even want to call them 321 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: the opposition, because these people are truly evil. It isn't 322 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: just it isn't just like an opposition we have a 323 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: difference of opinion. You literally are trying to kill us. 324 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: So the thing that I want to say is that 325 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: the common refrain is that they don't want people just 326 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: doing whatever they want, right, that the desire here is 327 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: about it is about control. So can you connect the 328 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: dots for folks as to why if they are concerned 329 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: about Roe V. Wade which they should be because it's dead. 330 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: Why they should also be concerned about the pushback and 331 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: the assault on trans people and trans bodies and trans 332 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: lives because there is a connection there, because it's about power, 333 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: that's right, It's about power. The assault on trans lies 334 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: is a stepping stone to an assault on CIS lives. 335 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: So as all of us are none of us like this. 336 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: They know folks are our play and are playing chests 337 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: and other people are playing fucking Candyland. You know what 338 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like when they're assaulting trans people and this 339 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: is they're dismantling these rights as a way of controlling people, 340 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: particularly controlling women's bodies, as a way of creating more 341 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: power for men, and absolutely destroying and legislating trans people 342 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: out of existence. So all these things are happened with 343 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: trans people before we got you know, before somebody's built 344 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: the tea about Roe v. Wade. It was leading up 345 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: to that, so they're setting a precedent. You know, this 346 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: is this is very scary stuff that's happening, and people 347 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: have to be able to connect those dots. That's what 348 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Well, we all have to be fighting for 349 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: for for one another because if because one day they're 350 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: gonna come for you, the next day they're gonna come 351 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: for me. They're going to come for all of us 352 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: in order to keep power. So I think it's really 353 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: important for people to really be if they're involved with 354 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: what's going on with Roe v. Wade and are fighting 355 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: for that. They have to be fighting for the lives 356 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: of trains people. You have to be fighting for the 357 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: lives of black people, right this is about And that's 358 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: the thing, like change really happens when you start with 359 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: the needs of the people on the margins quote margins. 360 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: We start to get the needs of the people on 361 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: the margins, and you start to feel that up it 362 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: is going to trickle in. It's going to help all 363 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: of us. And I don't think that people understanding, even 364 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: like people who are organizing don't understand that people in 365 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: our government don't understand that it's really important to start 366 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: looking at what's happening in the trans community, what's happening 367 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: with black people, Listen to us fill these voids, see 368 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: what our nuanced needs are, and rest assure the culture 369 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: is going to elevate for everybody else. But people are 370 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: always starting at the center of the power and it 371 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: doesn't work like that because the power structure is just 372 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: going to keep just calling in everything to stay in power, 373 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: whereas folks who are on the margins, we're staying listen. 374 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: We are talking about how we can make things equitable quity. Yeah, 375 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: so that is like what is needed for all of us, 376 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: that we could all have an equal playing field. And 377 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: we are the ones that people need to be listening to, 378 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: but they're not, you know. And that's and that's the 379 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: connection here. And I don't think that people are necessarily 380 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: making you know, you have been able to both live 381 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: in the United States and outside of the United States, 382 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: and I want to get just your your your perspective 383 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: on what you have been able to see in other 384 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: places and the acceptance or lack thereof of trans people, 385 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: what we could potentially learn or not And are you 386 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: thinking this is a question that I'm asking in this 387 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: these interview series about leaving. I am definitely thinking about living. 388 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: I was just talking to my daughter's mother about that yesterday. 389 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: I was just in Coasta Rica for three weeks. That's 390 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: a month in Coasta Rica. A few a few years ago. 391 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: I was just down there recently thinking about buying some 392 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: property down there. Um, and my ex wife and my 393 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: daughter just moved down to Texas, which is really scary 394 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: from Toronto. Yeah, so they're in Dallas now. So but 395 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: when I was in Toronto and we were going through 396 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: our divorce and we you know, it was it was 397 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: a pretty like nasty, customy battle. But we're here now. Um, 398 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: I was really terrified that my transition is going to 399 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: be weaponized and they were gonna try to take my 400 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: child away from me, right. But but the courts in 401 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: Ontario and in Canada, they say they don't play that 402 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: at all. It was like, we do not do that here. 403 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: You'd be a trans has absolutely nothing to do with 404 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: your ability to be a father, like they like they 405 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: shut that down before I can even really get into it, 406 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: you know. And I really really respected that about how 407 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: they were legislating around with with trans folks and living 408 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: in Canada, It's just it is very different. It's very different. 409 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: It's not there. There isn't like this vicious, aggressive attack 410 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: against transfolks. I mean, you're gonna have people who are transphobic. 411 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: But for the most part, when I was in Canada, 412 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: the Canadian government, um, really had a better understanding of 413 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: the humanity of trans folks. There's tons of tons of 414 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: resources there, um and and and this is the thing 415 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, particularly black folks, we 416 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: need to start getting out of the United States. This 417 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: idea that the United States is the only place for 418 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: us is bullshit. This idea of the United States is exceptional. 419 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: That's a bunch of bullshit. I was just down in 420 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: I was just start of Costa Rica, and I had 421 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: a and I had an injury. You know, I got 422 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: an X ray for sixty dollars. Maybe get X ray 423 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: United States would cost some one hundreds and hundreds of dollars. 424 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: Like this, This country, ain't it right? They're they're they're 425 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: like playing in our faces right now. And I think 426 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: it's really important for us to kind of just on 427 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: a global scale, be looking at where are the other 428 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: places that we can go and stop believing it's like 429 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: drinking the kool aid that there are no other places 430 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: on this planet for lgbt to Q people or black 431 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: queer people, because there are. I was just in Costa Rica. 432 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: It's tons of queer people there. It's it's just it's nothing. 433 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: We're just living. It's just it's the powers in the 434 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: United States, and it's not The thing is the United 435 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: States in the in the in the form that it 436 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: is and where it's going is not sustainable. And it 437 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: does work. Two years father, I have a four year 438 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: old daughter. What it's going to be of this country 439 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: in thirty years when she's thirty four years old? What's 440 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: going to be here for my baby? Like, I don't know? 441 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: And it, you know, it's one of the things that 442 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: can keep me up at night. You know, I want 443 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: to switch gears because you have done and you continue 444 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: to do a lot of work on unpacking masculinity right, 445 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: understanding masculinity in both its value but also in its toxicity. 446 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: And I want to get your thoughts on what we 447 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: have seen or how I particularly Fox News and Tucker 448 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: Carl Simon have been weaponizing masculinity with these very fragile 449 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: white sith men, straight men who you know, believe that 450 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: testosterone levels are going down. And this is why I 451 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: need an a R fifteen And I got to tan 452 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: my balls and I got to do I mean, this 453 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: is actual like actual things documentary documentary. I use that 454 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: with air quotes that they have done and it's all 455 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: wrapped around this idea of replacement right and the idea 456 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: of the low birth rate. And so I want to 457 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: get your sense of how all of this is being 458 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: used and discussed. So you want to get I'm sorry 459 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: you went out a little bit. You said, you want 460 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: to get my sense of what now of how masculinity 461 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: is being talked about and how toxic masculinity seems to 462 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: be running rampant on these networks like Fox News and 463 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: with Tucker Carl sim Yeah, but it's desperate. Is this 464 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: looks so desperate. It's a desperate power grab. And here's 465 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: the thing. When I talk about masculinity, always talk about 466 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: an organic masculinity, a masculinity that is tethered to your spirit. 467 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: And what how masculinity has been defined is you are 468 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: a man because you are not a woman. You are 469 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: masculine because you're not feminine. You are a man because 470 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: of who you can't control, because of who you have 471 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: power over, because of who you're competing with. But when 472 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: you take away all of that, what is left of you? 473 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 1: And that's that's what's happening. Women are taking work with 474 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: women saying I don't need to heterosexual women, particularly, I 475 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: don't need to be married, married marriage is is a skim. 476 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't need to be married. I don't need a man. 477 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: I could do all these things on my own. So 478 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: men are like, oh, these you know the insults, like 479 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: oh these women they so independent? Then don't you know that? 480 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: Like like marriage is like marriage is the prize and 481 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: a lot of women are saying, no, it's not. And 482 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: these men don't know what to do, and they become 483 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: and they become repressed and become zetful, they become angry, 484 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: and they become violent. It is because the only way 485 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: they have ever been able to define themselves is in 486 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: relation to everything they can control and what happens. We 487 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: have more people who are self determined in their gender 488 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: and self determined in their life and take control over it. 489 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: That takes away control from them, there by taking away 490 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: their personhood because their humanity is based on control. And 491 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: that's the thing. And it's like men need to do 492 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: some soul searching, like just take this, take all of 493 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: that away, and just look inside yourself and define yourself 494 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: for yourself and for me, I think this is another thing. 495 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: I think being a healthy man for me when I 496 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: realize as a trans person, I was looking for all 497 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: of these I was looking for heterosexual men to tell 498 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: me how to be a man. Yeah too. I was 499 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: drinking the kool aid, and I was like, the way 500 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: these they I don't like this, like nothing the job. 501 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: And I had to really check myself and say, take 502 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, you forty years old, you've been in queer 503 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: community of fourteen. I was raised by butches, stone butches, 504 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: gay men in these communities, right, So like I got 505 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: my You know, I think I'm a good man. I 506 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: think I have a healthy masculinity. But my healthy masculinity 507 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: came from the blueprints that came from masculine women, and 508 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: that came from gay men and came from the queer community. 509 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: Watching how we did masculinity, you know, you know what 510 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Watching watching gay men love their their platonic friends, 511 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: watching people and if their own emotions, you know, Watching 512 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: watching butch women like they stand up and be nurturing 513 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: and take care of their families. AMBI providers and biing protectors. 514 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: Like I learned masculinity from from these folks here, you know. 515 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: And I think, and I think that that's important to 516 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: look at different modes masculinity, looking at different ways in 517 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: which it can exist. Because I think that heterosexual, heteronormative 518 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: sister or masculinity. I think it's sociopathic. I think it's toxic. 519 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: I think it's tell me, come on, sick, I really do. 520 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: There's a sickness there and I and it's and it's 521 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: just so bizarre. It's just so bizarre, you know, And 522 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. But that's but that's the thing. 523 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to start to define masculinity 524 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: outside of what we can't control. Men need to do that. 525 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: But then also, but the thing is the flip side 526 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: of that. In order to do that means you have 527 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: to be vulnerable. But here's the thing. What are ment taught? Mentaught? 528 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: Men are taught to be vulnerable. It's just a weak 529 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: and to be feminine exactly. So you can't. But the 530 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: thing is is that's a bunch of bullshit because actually 531 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: vulnerability is the other side of courage. Yeah, it's not 532 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: a bravery. You gotta be vulnerable enough. So you have 533 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: to be courageous enough to be vulnerable. You gotta be 534 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: vulnerable enough to be brave. They're saying, like, you can't. 535 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: These men, they can't win, they can't win. Last question, 536 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: for utake. We are in the midst of a culture 537 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: and political breakdown. Do you believe that there is an 538 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: opportunity for a breakthrough or this is just going to 539 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: be a breakdown and the pieces are gonna fall, the 540 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: people are gonna fall, and from that dust something else 541 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: will come. You know, I don't want to be a 542 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: Debbi downer, but I just don't. I don't see you know, 543 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: a breakthrough. If a breakthro's gonna happen, it's going to 544 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: happen after something really really bad happens, like you know, 545 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: like like this country is hard headed. You know, you 546 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: gotta really feel it, you know what I'm saying, So 547 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: something bad is going to have to happen, like worse 548 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: than what's happening now. I'm like, what is where? I'm like, 549 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Something bad it's about to happen. 550 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: We've had three mass shootings in three fucking weeks and 551 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: people still like people still. I want to get the 552 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: air of fifteen, Like it doesn't like this. It's just 553 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: like common sense, it's not that common and it's really 554 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: scary when when we don't have common sense legislation in 555 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: this country, where are we going here? You know? And 556 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: then and I was just reading this article to day 557 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: about how the sentis in Florida has like just jerry 558 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: mandering and re move things around to disenfranchise black voters. 559 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: This is just is happening all over like it's where 560 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: this the country is on the slippery slope downward now. 561 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: Even read an article and they said the United States, 562 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: there's a I guess there's an index where they rank 563 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: all of the countries, and I think it's the healthy democrats. 564 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: See it's the first time that we're not healthy, where 565 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: we're actually a backsliding democracy exactly. And it's it's we're 566 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: going downhill and this is going to go faster and 567 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: faster because people aren't really to do ready to do 568 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: the vulnerable or courageous work. And people want to hold 569 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: onto power. And if that means and if the few people, 570 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: a few of them will hold onto the power at 571 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: the expense of the rest of us. Yeah, And that's 572 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: just it like it is in our culture, Like it's 573 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: not I think it's even like passive legislation. But this 574 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: is like in our culture. And I don't know what 575 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: kind of breakthrough we need. I know, I think you 576 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: know what I think I think black folks, I think 577 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: we just need to lead. Yeah, I mean, in all honesty, 578 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: this is the consistent refrain that I'm hearing from black 579 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: queer people, that I'm hearing from black straight people, that 580 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm hearing from those that occupy different identities, marginalized identities, 581 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: are getting to the point where they're just like, yeah, 582 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm starting to do my research, figure out where I 583 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: can go, what kind of work I can do. If 584 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: we can all be remote, then I don't need to 585 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: be here, right Like, And so it's like, so that's 586 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, if I can be remote and 587 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm still pulling in a salary, I don't need to 588 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: live in violence, I don't need to live in fear, 589 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: And so what does that look like? And where can 590 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: I go? That's right, when you have the means, And 591 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: that's the thing, And that's privilege. Like having option is 592 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: a privilege, right, and so I think it's important if 593 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: we have options, then take and then take advantage of 594 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: those options. I know it's black lesbian couple that just 595 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: built a house in Mexico. They're out, They're gone. You 596 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm looking at buy a property 597 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: in Costa Ricos just talking to somebody other day, cheap, 598 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm out, Like it's yeah, if you can, if you 599 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: can leave, and then think about the ways in which 600 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: you could be in solidarity with those that that that can't. 601 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's saying that, you know, just leave. 602 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: I know that feels big and it could be like 603 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: hyperbolic for some people. It may if it seems doesn't 604 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: even seem like feasible. But that's because we have been 605 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: taught that this is our only option. But I think 606 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: people are realizing that we have other options. We have 607 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: the freedom of movement. If you have freedom of movement, 608 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: I employ you see the world, get your passport, see 609 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: the world. See if there's another place where you can 610 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: live a good and healthy life, like even like health, 611 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: like like our souls here are conscious, Like it's so 612 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: much anxiety, Like I'm anxious. I started going in therapy 613 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty because I was like, I don't know 614 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? You know what I'm saying, 615 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: Like this is like it's it's a it's a toxic 616 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: to our physical health, our spiritual and mental health. 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