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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose. I am so

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Speaker 1: grateful for our community here at the number one health

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Speaker 1: a guest who has a really unique experience of life.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I love. I love learning about people

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Speaker 1: who've come from different backgrounds, different walks of life, taken

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Speaker 1: Idina Menzel, a powerhouse multi hyphenet, a singer, an actress

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Speaker 1: Adina rose to fame for her role as Maureen in

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Speaker 1: right now she's out talking about her children's book Loud Mouse,

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Speaker 2: Doing this, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so grateful to meet you and so happy

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Speaker 1: to get to spend this time with you. I know

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Speaker 1: you've had a long day. We're just talking about. You've

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Speaker 1: I'm just coming as well three days ago, and so

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Speaker 1: You said, do you have many dreams? But then one

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Speaker 2: that dialogue in your head, that's sabotaging.

433
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went to public speaking drama schools since I

434
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: was eleven years old, and so I've been in public

435
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: speaking is now the majority of my life, and so

436
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: there is I know exactly when I think I messed

437
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: the lineup or didn't quite get that message across right,

438
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: and I'll be over analyzing it. I used to do

439
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: a lot more earlier days, but then you realize no

440
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 1: one even noticed any percentage of that. But I love

441
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: your ABC grading.

442
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I could do that with life.

443
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it's a good tool for life.

444
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that.

445
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: Mom, I'm not going to get it all right, you

446
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: know today, and my son's gonna be angry with me.

447
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: But that's okay. But I'm really hard on myself about

448
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: that stuff. I'm hard on myself in general. I'd like

449
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 2: to so give myself a break.

450
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, how did you How do you think

451
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: you were able to give yourself a break on stage?

452
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: Because that's obviously in one sense. I mean, I'm sure

453
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: and I'd love to hear this as from a mother's perspective,

454
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: but and I don't want to assume either way. But

455
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you may say that actually being a mother

456
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: to one child is actually more pressure than performing in

457
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: front of thousands of people.

458
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: And when I became a mother, I found perspective. Obviously,

459
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: I became less self absorbed. I realized that my son

460
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 2: has a fever tonight. I want to snuggle with him,

461
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: take care of him. I don't want to worry that.

462
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't care if I get sick. Yeah, I got

463
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: a big show tomorrow. What happens if I get throat

464
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: or something, Well, it's too bad. I'm not going to

465
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: sleep in the other room. That's just not going to

466
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: be I just have to be with them. So then

467
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: I'd wake up the next day, didn't get a lot

468
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: of sleep worrying about my kid. I'm on stage. What

469
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: can I do? I'm doing the best I can. I'd

470
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 2: have the best shows, yeah, you know, because I just,

471
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, lower the expectations of myself and for myself.

472
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: And that's really it changed my life in a lot

473
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: of ways. When you have something that you care about

474
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: way more.

475
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you think it's going to take?

476
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: I love what you said there, and I think everyone

477
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: can relate to that. I think anyone is listening right now.

478
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: If you're a mother, you definitely feel if you're not

479
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 1: a mother, you'll feel it like the idea of I

480
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: just need to be a bit easier on myself, Like

481
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: I think most people are very self critical, h most

482
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: people who even come across as confident or even arrogant

483
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: or often insecure and dealing with something internally.

484
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: So I'm not an expert and no, not an expert.

485
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm just intrigued as to how you think you get

486
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: to like what well.

487
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: And I also I'm not a shamed to say my

488
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: public assisians probably don't say that, but I take you know, prozac,

489
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: and I have help, and I yeah, because there are

490
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: some days where I just I'm you know, people expect

491
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 2: me to let it go and I can't, you know.

492
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: So I'm doing the best that I can. But being

493
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: in the moment, being present, you know, it's just the

494
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 2: hardest thing to do. It's like what we aspire to

495
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 2: do as artists, actors, singers to you know. It's it's

496
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: so weird because the greatest moments I have when I'm

497
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: performing are usually moments I can't even remember because they

498
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: I transcend it in some way, you know, but trying.

499
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: But that's not being present then, you know, and that

500
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: you know, you can meditate, you can do all these things,

501
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: but it's trying to achieve just one moment where I

502
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: felt like I'm here in my body, understanding this without

503
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: judging myself, without criticized. And so I don't I don't

504
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: have the answers. I just I give myself things to

505
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: try to stay in the moment, you know, whether it's

506
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: very clinical, just think about the lyrics, think about breathing,

507
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: think about getting Walker to school tomorrow, or focusing on

508
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: the person in front of me and trying to change

509
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: them in the scene or the song. You know. But

510
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: sometimes it's just it's really hard. I can't get out

511
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: of there. In other days I can.

512
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think that ABC grading is you've already

513
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: You've already come up with the perfect But it's what

514
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: you said. It's like, that's that is the way we

515
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: all need to think. How you started thinking about the stage,

516
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: you think about our life network. I think it's a

517
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: great it's a great method.

518
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: And I also have an incredible husband who was an actor.

519
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: His life changed and he became he's a clinical director

520
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: of uh An impatient facility in California has two houses recovery,

521
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: alcohol and drug recovery and also mental illness and so

522
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: he thinks I'm just like a piece of cake all

523
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: the time, which is really nice to come home and

524
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: think He's like, what that mood is fine, that's nothing,

525
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: you know. So that's given me some perspective too. He

526
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: just thinks all my neuroses is like normal and he

527
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: can handle he can handle it. I'm not too much.

528
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm not too much for him.

529
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. That's a really special Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah, no,

530
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that's that's a beautiful thing to have

531
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: in your life. Yeah, And I think it's I think

532
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: that's true for pretty much. I often think with relationships

533
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: and with my wife, I I if I sat there,

534
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: I could easily reel off reasons why I think she's

535
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: annoying or frustrating or whatever. Maybe, like that's easy. I

536
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: think anyone could do that if they've been longer long

537
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: enough with someone. But if I stop to think about

538
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: the things that are special about her and unique about her,

539
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: and the thing that she does that no one else

540
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: could do, all of a sudden, it's like all those

541
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: other things seem so insignificant and irrelevant, And I think

542
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: it's so easy to amplify those small, irrelevant.

543
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: And my life is too short. I'm gonna get he's

544
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: gonna I mean, he gets on my nerves so much

545
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: when we travel because I'm traveling all the time. I

546
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: know how to wear my I don't wear shoes with laces.

547
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: I get through the security, I know how to do it.

548
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 2: If something changes, I can go get another flight. I'm

549
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: moving and grooving. He walks too slow. He doesn't have

550
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: that aggressive traveling attitude. And I'm like, oh, and then

551
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: I realize, why am I you know, he's sweet? Why

552
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: is this getting on my nerves that life's too short? Yeah,

553
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: he's when it comes down to it, he's an incredible

554
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: father and my son, and he's there for me whenever

555
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: I need him, and he really sees me, sees my soul,

556
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: and so so those little things are so silly.

557
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I feel like we all pair up

558
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: with someone who's exactly the other way. Like I'm probably

559
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: more like you in that sense as you describe that,

560
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: just like you know, I'm like, I want to get

561
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: to the airport three hours early and figure everything out,

562
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: and like I don't like rushing. I don't like being late.

563
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: And my wife's like, you know, just like she's having

564
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: to run to the the what do you call it,

565
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: the terminal? Like run to the yeah, the gate, sorry,

566
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: the gate, Yeah, run to the gate. And I'm like,

567
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to live like this, And she loves

568
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: the pressure and whatever it may be. So, but I

569
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: feel like we always pair up with people like that.

570
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: But with your dreams earlier you said that, she's like,

571
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, dreams for the future. Like, what are the

572
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: dreams now, Like, how have your dream shifted? You changed,

573
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: or what's left? You said elusive? Some of the dreams

574
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: are still elusive. You said that's the word.

575
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: Well, now talking to you, they seem so trivial. Well, professionally,

576
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: there's things. I want to be a better performer, a

577
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: better artist. I want to work with people that I've

578
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: always looked up to. I want to work with some

579
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: more people like that that teach me stuff. I want

580
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: to create more original music. But my son is mixed.

581
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: He's uh, he identifies as black, and I see him

582
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: as a black thirteen year old boy, little man. That's

583
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: kind of where a lot of my focus is, I

584
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: think lately, is I don't want my whiteness to be

585
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: something that I know people say, you're the mom he's

586
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: going to love you, but he's super smart and intuitive,

587
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: and there's going to be things that I can't understand

588
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: for him because I'm not in his skin. And I

589
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: find myself preoccupied with that a lot, like how can

590
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: I be so close to him, be the one that

591
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: he can come to for everything? If I can't totally

592
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: understand all that because I just haven't lived it, How

593
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: can I educate myself? How can I be better in

594
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: that way? And as he's getting older, he's becoming more

595
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: and more aware of the society that he lives in

596
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: and the chaotic world he lives in, the violence, the racism,

597
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: and I just want to be someone he can come to,

598
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: you know. So I'm probably overthinking a lot of that,

599
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: but that's a lot where my energy goes to, just

600
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: how can I really be better in that way for him?

601
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think my parents felt that

602
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: way when I was a kid, for different reasons completely,

603
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: but I was mine was probably not as smart or

604
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: as intuitive as your son sounds, but I was highly

605
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: rebellious and I was getting involved in all the wrong

606
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: places and circles, and my parents didn't raise me that way,

607
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: and they, you know, they did only thing everything right

608
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: and they were loving.

609
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: And why were you pushing back?

610
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: I think I was. I think I've always been like

611
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: a thrill seeker, Like I've always deeply wanted a purpose.

612
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know that word at that at thirteen, Like

613
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: I just thought thrill meant excitement, and almost like doing

614
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: well in school and getting good grades like didn't feel

615
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: like enough. I was like, that can't be the goal

616
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: of life, to do well at school, Like, that can't

617
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: be it.

618
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: You got to live.

619
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: There has to be yeah, like what does it mean

620
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: to live? Right? What does it mean? And And I

621
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: feel like it's really interesting because that age at least,

622
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: and whenever I'm working with someone or whenever I hear

623
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: about that, I always feel like that's the age when

624
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: kids kind of like start going off in their own journeys,

625
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: in their own directions. And one thing that my dad

626
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: did that I think was a game changer because I

627
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: realized that at that point, no matter what my parents said,

628
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to listen to it, no matter what

629
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: they said. And I think a lot of parent of

630
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: your job, Yeah, yeah, and yeah, exactly right. And I

631
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: think every child, everyone who's been a child, everyone has

632
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: that experience of yeah, I didn't listen to my parents

633
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen, and then I think every parent

634
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: has that experience of my kids don't listen to me

635
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: from like thirteen to twenty one maybe, and then my

636
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: dad started giving me books of people's lives, of people

637
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: that he thought I'd be inspired by based on my ambitions,

638
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: my rebellion. But at that time it started to be

639
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: people like Malcolm Max and Martin Luther King, and then

640
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: later on I read Einstein, and then I was also

641
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: reading people like that that I was interested in as

642
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old kid, like David Beckham and so

643
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: I was into soccer or doing the Johnson because he

644
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: was in WWE, and so I was reading Malcolm X

645
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: on one side and David Beckham on the other. But

646
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: it was really fascinating to me because it was almost

647
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: like those people could talk to me at that time

648
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: in a way that my parents never could, because they

649
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: had lived experiences or things that for some reason, you know,

650
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: connected with me and resonated with me in a way

651
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: that even if my parents said the same things, it

652
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: would never have connected. And I wonder, hence you writing

653
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: a children's book, which is where my direction's going. It's like,

654
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by who the voice is your son needs

655
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: to hear right now at this time in his life.

656
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I it's no.

657
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it ever is your parents, not because

658
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: our parents are wrong. Like there's that famous quote. I

659
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: don't know who said it, but it's the day you

660
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: realize your parents were right. Your kids are telling you

661
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: that you're wrong exactly, and you know, it's one of

662
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: those moments like now I'm so grateful to my parents

663
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: and I can see everything. I'm thirty five and I'm like, okay, yeah,

664
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: I value everything my parents did and they tried their best.

665
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: But in those times, I find like finding the voices

666
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: of other people that feel like your voice to you,

667
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: that he could hear it from someone else feels like,

668
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, it feels like I'm wondering this children's book.

669
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: Was that a way of communicating to like, what was

670
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: the Yeah, what was the purpose behind it?

671
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: I want him to hear that message. My son's pretty confident.

672
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: So I think the book comes from my interaction with

673
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: so many young people through all the projects that I've

674
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: been a part of, and these multi generational projects, you know,

675
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: of really seeing lots of young people inhibit themselves on

676
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: scorn their unique qualities, and I relate to that because

677
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: that's how I was. My son's pretty sure of himself.

678
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: So hopefully that's good. I mean, because I think we

679
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: all as parents project, you know, all the stuff that

680
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: I need to work on and myself. When you have

681
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: a kid that comes like glaring back at you, you know,

682
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: he's okay with the spotlight, you know. So I don't

683
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: know if this book is necessarily written for him to

684
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: help him, because he teaches me. I you know, I am,

685
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: he said, he said, Mom, when I get my braces

686
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: off and I and I go through puberty, this is

687
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: going to be no stocking. He means that with the

688
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: girls everything. So it's like I just need to take

689
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: a lesson from my son, you know. So I think

690
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: the book comes from I wrote it with my sister,

691
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: first of all, who I'm very close to, Kara, and

692
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: and she's a teacher, an elementary school teacher, a writer,

693
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: and also specialize in literacy at school. So I wanted

694
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: to write it with her because she's a pro, and

695
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: she understood me better than anyone else in the world

696
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: understands me. She's the closest person to me. She's younger,

697
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: but she's the wiser, she's the older soul. And it

698
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: was the two of us writing lists together because we

699
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: experienced it as sisters. I was always loud and singing

700
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: and taking up all this space, and she was always

701
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: am I supposed to know what I want to do

702
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: at the age of seven, you know, I don't know

703
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: what I want to do. And so we've been really

704
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: exploring all of those that's so old issues, I think.

705
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: So that's more for those kids that are just a

706
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: little bit hesitant to kind of allow people to see them,

707
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: you know, and allow themselves to be vulnerable and take

708
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: a risk.

709
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's fascinating. Yeah. I have a younger sister

710
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: and we became we're still extremely close. She's like my

711
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: best friend. She knows everything about me, and I know

712
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: everything about her, and she's I almost treat it like

713
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: a little child. She's only five years younger than me.

714
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: To me, that's I remember holding her when I was

715
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: five years old and she was this tiny, little bay.

716
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

717
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: It's one of those, like, you know, very special memories

718
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: of kind of seeing her grow up and feeling old

719
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: even though I was old. But it's interesting, like I

720
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: think with siblings, it's it's fascinating to hear that that

721
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: difference also of being okay with one being loud and

722
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: one being silent, and noticing how neither of those strengths

723
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 1: or weaknesses. Although I think it's often imprinted that someone

724
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: is loud is more confident and.

725
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 2: Is more right, and that's totally a contradiction, at least

726
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: in me. I mean, if you saw me at home,

727
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of quiet, and people that meet me,

728
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: they say, oh, you're actually really soft spoken, and so

729
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: the big the girl with the big voice and singing

730
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: to the rafters is definitely part of me. But I

731
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: think we all have these different sides. And then my sister,

732
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: who is very soft spoken. She's the one that when

733
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: I went to watch her teach, she was a TA

734
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: back in Boulder at See You, and she didn't know

735
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: what she wanted to do. And I was like some

736
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: neuroscience classes and she was a TA and I sat

737
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: in the back and watched her and she was unbelievable,

738
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: so charismatic, so on her voice, so engaging. The students

739
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: loved her, and I said, this is your thing, Like

740
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: you got to teach, you know, so our voice emerges

741
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 2: in many different ways, and I think it's a little

742
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: bit a misconception that someone like me, who knows how

743
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: to produce loud sounds and hit the back row, is

744
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: necessarily comfortable in her own voice in my own life,

745
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: because especially given that mantle to always sing, let it

746
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: go to kids or defy gravity, it's like, oh, you know,

747
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm not always that example. I mean, I have those

748
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 2: days where I can't get out of bed myself and

749
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: I have to find my voice as well. And it's

750
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: so I hate for people to think that there's this

751
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: perception of me that I'm fearless because I'm not.

752
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, And it sounds like this book is

753
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: also of finding your voice, because yeah, you're playing so

754
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: many other voices.

755
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: Yes, well yeah, I mean it's it's autobiographical and a

756
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: too Little Mouse, too little mice away, But I love

757
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: that you chose a mouse to really yeah, because the

758
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: mouse feels is so small. But when she sings, she's

759
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: the joy and the sound of her voice. When she

760
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: decides to share it with the class instead of just

761
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: keeping it to herself at home, she ends up becoming

762
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: a huge, huge, huge mouth and now everybody can see

763
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: her and hear her, and that invites a lot of scrutiny,

764
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: a lot of accolades, but a lot of different things,

765
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: you know, And that's I think that's what happens with

766
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: all of us when we allow ourselves to be seen.

767
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: I'm always finding I'm always intrigued by people who play

768
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: lots of voices. And as you said, like, I think

769
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: everyone's always searching for their voice in life because they

770
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: forget that their early voice was so informed by their parents,

771
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: and then their later voice was so informed by friends,

772
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: and then our voice is just always a mix of

773
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: other people's noise. And then I wonder for you, do

774
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: you ever feel like you've rubbed off on the voices

775
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: of your characters? Your characters' voices rub off on you,

776
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm always fascinated by people who play people for

777
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: a living, Like how that.

778
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: That's what I was saying before checking the egg. How

779
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: much am I bringing to something that then the writers

780
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: are inspired by what I'm bringing? And how much is

781
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: the part sort of finding me?

782
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: Which characters do you think? Which characters do you think

783
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: rubbed off the most on you? In a.

784
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: Each one was like a gift at the time, you know,

785
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: like the Rent stuff was really it was a celebration

786
00:40:52,000 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: that character was unafraid, sexy, money, just an excuse for

787
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: me to really be all those things. And then when

788
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: Wicked came along, I was definitely more insecure and needing

789
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: to sort of allow myself to not be afraid of

790
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: my own anger and my larger than life qualities, you know,

791
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: So that one was really art imitating life. You know,

792
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: so different things.

793
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a beautiful Yeah, No, there's there's wonderful.

794
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: It's just so's it's just so much. Yeah, it's so

795
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: much more when you're playing someone deeply, it's so much

796
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: more deeper than just a character right.

797
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: Now, and then you live with that how many shows

798
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: a year?

799
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well, that's even more than a movie, right,

800
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Like even more than a TV show a movie. It's

801
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: like this character is.

802
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've had two instances now with Rent the movie.

803
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: We did it ten years after we left. I left

804
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: the show and then had this sequel to Enchanted, Disenchanted

805
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: coming out now, and that's fifteen years later. And it's

806
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: kind of fun to revisit a character years later because

807
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: it's just you see how like life is informed you're

808
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: who you are and how you approach the character. Now

809
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: it's really I find it really fascinating to go back

810
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: and see that if I threw caution to the wind

811
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: a lot. I didn't have as much process when I

812
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: was younger, just kind of like was raw and in

813
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: the moment and spontaneous and in the moment. But the

814
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: older I've been getting, the less in the moment I

815
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: am because the more you're aware of how far you

816
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: can fall, you know, and you get in your head.

817
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Yeah, what's something that you feel

818
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: you used to value that you don't value anymore, Something

819
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: that was important to you that's become less and less important.

820
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Hmm. I was going to say being liked, but having

821
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: people care about what people think, But I think I

822
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: still care about what people think.

823
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was asked, I was asked this question,

824
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: and that's where I started to involve in my interviews.

825
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: And it was probably one of the only questions that

826
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: made me stop and think, like you had to, you know,

827
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: most questions you're just talking. And then my answer to

828
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: it in the moment, without thinking about it, in like

829
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: seven seconds of thinking about it was being understood. I

830
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: think I realized that ninety nine percent of the world

831
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: would never be able to understand anyone fully. I don't

832
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: think it's actually possible. And I think the pressure we

833
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: put on ourselves to try to understand someone fully rushes

834
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: the process of understanding them half And so like that

835
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: feeling of oh, I understand you, Like even we just

836
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: want to be able to say that, and we want

837
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: to be able to say that so quickly.

838
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: I'm saying about my son, Yeah, I will never yeah,

839
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: be able to be all those things to him exactly. Yeah,

840
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: live in a white woman's body and my background and

841
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: where I've come from, and just because he came from

842
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: my womb, I think the carte blanche to understand his emotion,

843
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: you know. So that's very frustrating, Yeah, and I need

844
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: to just accept that.

845
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and accepting it just Yeah. I think for me,

846
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: it was like I realized that even if someone does

847
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: understand you, they won't understand you in the way you

848
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: want them to understand you, right, even in wanting to

849
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: be understood, like you're talking about trying to understand someone else,

850
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: but even I think all of us crave to be understood.

851
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: When we say.

852
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: Something we're really seeing, like someone really gets me exactly.

853
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: And I found even the people that really get you

854
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: don't really they don't they get me.

855
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: They do.

856
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: My closest friends really get me. But even then, there's

857
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: a part of you that only you get and no

858
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: one will ever know. And that's and being at peace

859
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: with that has been very good for me. If you

860
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: could create one law that everyone in the world had

861
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: to follow, what would it be.

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Speaker 2: It would just be to mind your own business, stop

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Speaker 2: worrying about what other people are doing, and live your

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Speaker 2: own life.

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Speaker 1: That's a great one. I love that it didn't Mazelle. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: if you have been listening or watching, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Make sure you share what you learned,

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Speaker 1: what you took away, any reflections, any questions that you've

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Speaker 1: had tig us both on Instagram, on TikTok, on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: all the platforms that you know that we're on right now.

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Speaker 1: And of course, the book loud Mouse is available. We're

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Speaker 1: going to put the link in the show notes so

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Speaker 1: you can order it as well. You can read along.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm going to be ordering a ton of

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Speaker 1: copies for my nieces and nephews.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a refrain in it, so there's a

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Speaker 2: song I wrote that I love that that goes along

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Speaker 2: with that, and you don't have to sing it.

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Speaker 1: Like I definitely will not sing it.

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Speaker 2: Just start.

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Speaker 1: I never don't see it, but I'll be ordering them,

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Speaker 1: ordering the book for my nieces and nephews to share

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Speaker 1: it with them as well. I know that it's probably

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to do is to sit

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Speaker 1: down and read it to your child. And I don't

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Speaker 1: have two kids on my own yet, but when I

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Speaker 1: do it with nieces and nephews or you know, my godsaid,

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Speaker 1: it's like one of the most fun, fun bonding experiences.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to that. Yeah, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Megan Trainer on breaking generational trauma and how to be

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Speaker 1: confident from the inside out.

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Speaker 2: My therapist told me stand in the mirror naked for

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Speaker 2: five minutes. It was already tough for me to love

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Speaker 2: my body. But after the C section scarf with all

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Speaker 2: the stretch marks, now I'm looking at myself like I've

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Speaker 2: been hacked. But day three, when I did it, I

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Speaker 2: was like, you know what her thighs are cute,