1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast wants to see you be brave. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Round the League Podcast. 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas and I'm joined by room 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: filled with some heroes, Chris Westling and Gregg roseatal What 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: up boys? Last day here without Cessler. He'll be back 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: from vacation next week. We miss him. Yeah, I was 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: just thinking, miss Marks. There is a hole there. There's 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: literally an empty seat in the studio and we haven't 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: missed Mark. He'll be back, And I got a feeling 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: Mark living for a week in the desert and Pump 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Springs with his family, reading Jack Carouac, doing Mark Sessler 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: type things will come back to the show re energized. 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: I got a feeling about that. I do too, And 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: I feel like the news room, you know what we 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: miss Nobody is down there telling harmless lies constantly. Mark 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: is an expert fibure um. By the way, speaking of 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: Jeff Darlington, he was on the show on Wednesday. Spoke 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: about the vocal coach that Greg and I both eavesdropped 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: and listened in on some of the ridiculous sounds. Here's 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: one of the sounds that Jeff made haw So that's 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: what we're working with, and we, you know, had some 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: fun with it, mocked it a little bit. Our boss 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: John Marvel rolls over to the A T L quadrant 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: today and what does he say? Greg? He let us 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: know just ironically, right before he listened to our podcast 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: which had Jeff on it, and we talked about that 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: he had just been part of a conversation that he 28 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: was signing up the Around the League crew for vocal 29 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: lessons with Arthur Joseph is his name, right, and not 30 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: only lessons, but we're not getting the one on one treatment. 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: This is where it's clear we're not that important. It's 32 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a group session. This is really happening. Yeah, 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: I feel like trying to change us fundamentally, and I 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: like who we are West. I would I would literally 36 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: be crestfallen if your voice changed in any way. I 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: was thinking the opposite that if anyone could use Arthur Joseph, 38 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: it would be me. I immediately thought we should get 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: cameras in there to document this. Greg didn't seem crazy 40 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: about the idea. I want to know what literally being 41 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: crestfallen would be like. What does it? What does that 42 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: look like? Well, it's hard to explain. Maybe maybe I will. 43 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 1: I'll explain it to you during the vocal exercises when 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: they come um, jerk, let's see. All right, So we 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: got a big show today, We have a we have 46 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: a great guest coming up later. Wes and I. We 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: actually spoke to Joe Hayden, star cornerback for the Cleveland Browns, 48 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: and spoke to him on Thursday. Well, we'll play that 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: back for you guys. Will put that a little later 50 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: in the show. We're gonna talk about uh, some of 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: the top receiver duos based on a post that Chris 52 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: Westling wrote on Wednesday. Um, but before that, and we 53 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: might have a little special secret surprise for the listeners. 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: Longtime listeners will like the end of the show. So 55 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 1: if you're one of those listeners that gets disgusted by 56 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: our behavior and takes on the football world within you know, minutes, 57 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: and then you shut it off and go about your day. 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: You mow the lawn or you pick up your your 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: child from daycare, don't do that. Stick with the show. 60 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: Good surprise, But before any of that, the gold standard 61 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: behind the glass, how are you, buddy? Doing great. You 62 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: look rugged in your hipster shirt today. I like it. 63 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: App Can we do some news alright? So we'll start 64 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: with Chris Johnson. This has been something we knew was 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: coming for weeks and weeks and weeks, and now it 66 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: is official. Chris Johnson has been released by the Tennessee Titans. 67 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: The running back and former two thousand yard rusher is 68 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: now primed and ready to hit the open market. We 69 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: have a post up on the Around the League page 70 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: for potential landing spots. Also, West, you wrote a h 71 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: you started a Chris Johnson tracker. You're all over this 72 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: Chris Johnson situation are So what are you tracking right now? Chris? 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Well, I'm tracking. We already have 74 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: the potential landing spots where we thought he might go 75 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: before he was released, But since he's been released, now 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: we have reports of which teams are interested, which teams 77 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: have talked trade with the Titans. So the Jets appear 78 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: to be leading the charge. They've been the team all 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: along that have been reported the most is interested and 80 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: maybe probably having the highest level of interest, and it 81 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: seems like the Falcons might be right behind. Despite a 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: report a few days ago that they didn't have any interest. 83 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Adam Schefter says they were one of the teams among 84 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: the four including the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets that talk 85 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: trade with the with the Titans, and none of those 86 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: teams wanted to trade for Johnson because he was making 87 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: eight million dollars and you could have negotiated that down. 88 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: But why not just wait until he gets cut? Do 89 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: you think Johnson's gonna get a contract worthy of a 90 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: true starting and running back? I think he will beat 91 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: the two point eight million dollar annual average that the 92 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: running backs already signed him free agency have have combined average, 93 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: So I will say I think he will just barely 94 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: surpass like four million annually. So one year's four million, 95 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: two million, two years eight million or three twelve millions. 96 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: So a guy that's sharing the ball, but maybe the 97 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: one a in that tandem. And I could see that 98 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: with the Jets. I know you, what would you be 99 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: excited about Chris Johnson Ivory combination? Yeah? Of course I 100 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: think Johnson is not the end West. I thought you 101 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: did a good job breaking down what Chris Johnson is 102 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: and what he is not in a uh in your 103 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: post on the potential landing spots, But what he still 104 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: is is relatively young. He's not thirty years old. I 105 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: think he's turning twenty nine this year. Um, he's durable, 106 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: and he's been not anything close to the two thousand 107 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: yard guy, but he's still He's an above average running back. 108 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: And if you put him in the backfield with Chris Ivory, 109 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: who I believe to be another above average running back, 110 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: especially if he could stay healthy, then you have an 111 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: above average backfield. Is he above average? Is Chris Johnson 112 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: above average in any way other than running in a 113 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: straight line? I tend durable. Those are two important I 114 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: tend to agree with it. I've had some debates with 115 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: people on on Twitter that I think when he came 116 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: to the league he had insane lateral agility. He could 117 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: stop and start and move side to side like no 118 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: running back I had seen since Barry Sanders, and I 119 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: don't think he has that anymore. I saw a damning 120 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: stat today that in two thousand and nine he had 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: twenty two runs over twenty yards. Last year he had 122 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: five runs over twenty yards. Right they they throw him 123 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: the ball, It's not like they didn't get him out 124 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: in space sometimes and it would be him on a 125 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: screen or some sort of run where he gets to 126 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: the outside and it would be him and would be 127 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: some safety you never heard of, and it'd be one 128 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: on one in the open field and then has nothing 129 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: to do with your offensive lineman and he'd get tackled. 130 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: He's been doing that for a few years now. He 131 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: gets he gets what's blocked. You think of guys like 132 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: plotters as guys who get what's blocked. If there's four 133 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: yards there, they get it. That's kind of what Chris 134 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: Johnson is. He doesn't make people miss. Sometimes he gets 135 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: minus four yards, right. I mean, yeah, obviously you could. 136 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: You could look at the tape and see that he's 137 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: had the last couple of years has not been the 138 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: same guy. But I think he's one of those players 139 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: that you know he's healthy. He passed his physical with 140 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: the Titans today, so any issues with the knee, you know, 141 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: they didn't wave him with a failed um physical situation. 142 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: So this guy, you're gonna get a healthy running back. 143 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy if you put him 144 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: in the right setting, he'll have one of those little 145 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: rejuvenation periods to his career. I wouldn't be surprised if 146 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: he was turned into a Pro Bowl player again, if 147 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: he gets the lands on the right spot. Let me 148 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: throw five spots out there that Chris going off your 149 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: track or what we have right now? The Jets, Cowboys, Giants, Falcons, 150 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: and Rams. What's the best spot for Chris Johnson. I 151 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: tend to think the if you're talking about like for 152 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: his stats, Yeah, just to kind of continue his career. 153 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: And I thought that Cowboys would be the best if 154 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: you removed DeMarco Murray from the equation, I think out 155 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: of that group, I would say the Falcons, I'd say 156 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: the Cowboys underrated offensive line. Murray always gets hurt, You're 157 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: playing on national TV all the time. I could see 158 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: that working out pretty well. It just seems like a 159 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones signing, doesn't it. Yeah, it does. And I 160 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: think he's more likely to be out of the league 161 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: in two years than he is to make another Pro Bowl. 162 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he will be out of 163 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: the league. But if I was choosing one or the there, 164 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: I don't think there's much of a chance he's I'll 165 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: side with Dan on this one. That's not is that assessor, 166 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: I guess it is. I think there's some chance that 167 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: a change of scenery does him. Well, that's my prediction. 168 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: I would I would take you up on a sandwich 169 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: on that. Well, you know, with me, it always uh, 170 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, playing up to cultural stereotypes here. It always 171 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: comes back to the money. And Chris John said got 172 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: a lot of money the last three years. And running 173 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: back is the toughest position in the NFL to keep 174 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: going year after You gotta want it, you gotta He's 175 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: never was a guy that broke tackles, but that's a 176 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: position that you gotta really want it. You gotta be hungry. 177 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: And as you get older, and he's had a lot 178 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: of carries, even though he's not that old, you gotta 179 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: really want to stay in the league. You really gotta 180 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: want it to be a great running back. I don't 181 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: know if he wants it anymore. He got his cash. 182 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: He'll prove me wrong. I'll prove all you're wrong. He 183 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: got his money. I like. I like that you don't 184 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: think anything of the man's character and you're not hiding it. 185 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Ne that thing open and I didn't say that. Um 186 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: alry Moving on, Mike Williams traded from the Tampa Bay 187 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: Buccaneers to the Buffalo Bills on Friday. Of course, Williams 188 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: is a you know, talented wide receiver, but plenty of 189 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: off the field issues have kind of marred his NFL career. 190 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: Signed that big deal with the Bucks last year, and 191 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: now they move him off to the Bills. Greg you 192 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: wrote in r Around the League post that you believe 193 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: this is a win win, win win deal for both sides. 194 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: It's a great deal for both sides. The Buccaneers avoid 195 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: a big cap hit that they would have taken by 196 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: getting rid of Williams, and it sounded like they wanted 197 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: to right they they thought the off field stuff basically 198 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: was too much. He missed all these team meetings. When 199 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: they first drafted him, he did not have a long lease. 200 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: They told him, look, if you have any problems, then 201 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: they give him a big contract, and suddenly he becomes 202 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: a problem. So they avoid any cap hit because they 203 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: got to trade him, and Bills get him for only 204 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: one point eight million in two thousand and fourteen. Next year, 205 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: that goes all the way up to six point eight million, 206 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: but they could cut him then. So it's a one 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: year tryout at a low cost for a pretty talented player. 208 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: He's returning home to Buffalo, so it makes sense there 209 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: and reunited with Doug Maron who coached him in college. 210 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: Ends up being in pretty odd scenario there. He quit 211 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: the team and I think after Maron suspended him at year. 212 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: He he was suspended earlier in their run together, and 213 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: then he was facing another suspension after some type of 214 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: car accident that he was involved in, and he chose 215 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: to walk away from the team knowing that a suspension 216 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: was coming. That was in November two thousand nine. But Maron, 217 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: they released a statement today the Bill as a press release, 218 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: and Maron basically said the that that was all kind 219 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: of water under the bridge. It was in the past, 220 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: and he you know, he thinks highly of Williams and 221 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: his ability to regain his form as quote a productive 222 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: player in the National Football League. Why did they always 223 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: do that? Come out? We know it's the NFL. That's 224 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: It's an interesting receiver trio there, Robert Woods, Mike Williams, 225 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: and Stevie Johnson. That's pretty good, shabby. I like Robert 226 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: Woods still the number one. That's like three number two receivers, 227 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: but that's not a bad thing to have. Yeah, this 228 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: is a pretty interesting roster If E J. Manual looks 229 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: nothing like he looked last year, that's a small issue. 230 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go out on a limb. I'm 231 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: gonna use some analysis, put my analysis hat on. That 232 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: could be bad. I mean, if c. J. Spiller comes back, 233 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: he had the high Uncle sprain last year, he could 234 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: be one of the most explosive backs in the league. 235 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: I think Greg loved what their defense did last year. 236 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: I really liked it too. They might miss Mike Petton, 237 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: but they have some interesting piece Plus they got T. J. 238 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: Graham and Marky's Goodwin. You know, as these four five 239 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: receivers now that can just run down someone who breaks 240 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: out a baton during the game. Do you do you 241 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: think that Mike Williams will do enough that they would 242 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: keep him in two thousand fifty. That's why I liked 243 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: the move for Buffalo. There's really no downside a sixth 244 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: round pick for a guy who should be a starter 245 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: right away. Why not? I lost my faith in Mike 246 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: Williams um after he signed that contract. Him couldn't stay 247 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: out of trouble, and I never believed he'd play it 248 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: down for the Buccaneers this season. But he's essentially playing 249 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: for that contract again now, because if he doesn't perform 250 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: this year, he'll probably have to settle for you know, 251 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: substantially lower contract if he gets a job. I'm my 252 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: biggest issue is what you said about e j Manuel. 253 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: It's you know, he's not gonna be able to do 254 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: anything if the quarterback isn't productive, and I don't know 255 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: if it's a great spot for any wide receiver um 256 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: for ej Manuel to be there. I was not sold 257 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: on the guy. It's not always a good idea to 258 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: return home if you tend to get in trouble. How 259 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: would you feel if Kenny Britt went back to New 260 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: Jersey hanging out all the time, and we keep saying 261 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: get in trouble. And to be specific, you know he 262 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: was arrested in December. I think it was criminal trespassed 263 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: and he was involved in something recently, whereas others stabbed him. 264 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: I don't even consider that as a as an off 265 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: the field issue. Who knows what happen certainly is off 266 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: the field issue. Tom Brady is not getting stabbed in 267 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: the thigh. Even even Lovey Smith said we would never 268 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: cut a guy because basically his brother went off the 269 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: handle and did something a little. Let's speak with the 270 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: letter of the law. The bigger issue is allegedly stabbed him. 271 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: Relax trying to lawsuit here. The bigger issue to me 272 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: was the report that he faced two hundred thousand dollars 273 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: in fines for skipping team meetings regularly. How much after 274 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: he was he just never turned up. Yeah. Basically the 275 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: report was that after he injured his hamstring last year 276 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: in November December, he just was like, I'll see you 277 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: guys and was not at the program. Are Basically that 278 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: shows a level of immaturity, and that is getting that 279 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: big contract and acting like it doesn't matter anymore, you know, 280 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: to the end, what's more likely if you had a 281 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: hamstring injury and Gregg Siano was your coach, would you 282 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: more likely that you would show up or just skip 283 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: down altogether? You're skipping town. Yeah, I don't know if 284 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: I want to. I wonder if they collected that two 285 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: dollars a lot of money, a lot of I'm a 286 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: feeling the Players Association might have got involved in that one. 287 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: One last note on williams rick Stroud of the Tampa 288 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: Bay Times, Do I have that correct? Tweeted today Mike 289 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: Williams apparently never saw the Bucks trading him. Two weeks ago, 290 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: he paid thousand cash straight cash homie for the house 291 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: he had been renting in a villa, which is like 292 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: an upscale community in Tampa. I believe, um. I am 293 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: this to Chris Wesling, who responded to me has the 294 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: ability to drop a cool million because he can catch 295 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: a pig's bladder. I don't. I'm not one of those 296 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: people who rants rants against athletes for the money they make. 297 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: But as a person looking for an apartment in Los 298 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: Angeles right now to rent, yes, it it. It really 299 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: hit home what I can afford versus what Mike Williams 300 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: can afford. It'd be nice just to be able to 301 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: not worry about credit or anything and just pluck down 302 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: a cold nand the man wants a raise, he wants 303 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: to wear cash, and no matter what, you're not gonna 304 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: be able to buy a million dollar house in cash. 305 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: This is West's d Jackson January move right now in 306 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: the studio cash homing alright moving forward. Pete Carrol in 307 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks have agreed to a contract extension. Carol 308 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: had one season left on his five year thirty five 309 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: million dollar contract that has now been extended through two 310 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. Obviously, this is a no brainer for the 311 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: Seahawks for Pete Carroll, it's a great set up for 312 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: the coach. The team is obviously happy with the results. 313 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: In a way, we go, we don't know how much 314 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: any of these guys make. The top coaches, We don't. 315 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll find out what Carol makes. But thought Sean 316 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: Payton was number one and it was around seven million 317 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: a year. But wouldn't it Would it surprise you to 318 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: find out that Bill Belichick's making fifteen million a year? 319 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: It would not. I have no idea what he makes 320 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: Carol would be worth. There's no salary cap on coaches, 321 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: is there? No? And uh, who's done a better job 322 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: than Pete Carroll over the last four years. He took over, 323 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: as he would say, a program that didn't have a 324 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: lot going for it essentially built it from scratch to 325 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: what we consider the best roster in the entire NFL. 326 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: I had a hard time watching that press conference and 327 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: just seeing that John Schneider right now, he's on top 328 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: of the world. Yeah, it reminds me of the Uh. 329 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: If you guys ever seen the movie The way we 330 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: were with Robert Redford and Barber Strikes were under forty, 331 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: so we Robert Redford plays a character named Hubble Gardner, 332 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: and he's he's a he's an athlete, writer in college, 333 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: and he writes. Uh. He starts a story by saying, 334 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: in a way, he was like the country he lived in. 335 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: Everything came too easily to him, but at least he 336 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: knew it. That reminds me a little bit of John 337 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: Schneider right now. Everything's coming so easily to him, and 338 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't wish any ill. He does a great job, 339 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: but it just seems like life isn't this easy? What? What? 340 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: What the heck is going on? Do you want to 341 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 1: feel better? He does have a regrettable photo around the 342 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: internet which he's shirtless holding a championship belt in a clubhouse. 343 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: Even then, what's wrong with that? That's just fun. His 344 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: body was pretty good, not a bad body for a 345 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: general manager. He's just having fun. I don't know why 346 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: he had to take he He was essentially hired by 347 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. I read an interesting article this week. I 348 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: think it was in the Seattle Times. How you know 349 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: when they hired Carroll, they were wary of Mike Holmgren 350 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: and how he had all the power, but Carol want 351 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: at all the power. And so they said, well, you 352 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: can have final control, but we're gonna give you a 353 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: list of four guys that you can meet with, and 354 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: you have to pick one of those four guys to 355 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: be your general manager to work with. And so Carol 356 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: met with the four. He chose Schneider. He had no 357 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: relationship with him. He obviously made a great choice. Carol 358 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: is one of the best talent evaluators in the NFL 359 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: in terms of coaches, players, GMS, everyone and you know 360 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: who knew it first. The New York Jets hired sixteen 361 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: games to bring in Rich co Tight stuck with him 362 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: for longer than one season. No, Rich, you had to 363 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: get co Tight. He was on the market. You gotta 364 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: acta him down. Yeah, you gotta lock that one down. 365 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: Moving on, restricted free agent safety Raphael Bush has signed 366 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: an offer sheet with the Atlanta Falcons. Bush has been 367 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: with the Saints, who tendered him at the lowest level 368 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: in March. Uh, which leaves it open for him to 369 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: be swiped away. Uh. West, I know you are a 370 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: fan of Bush. Tell me what you think about this. 371 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: I think as long as we've been watching the current 372 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Falcons regime, I felt like they needed toughness on defense. 373 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: They need a backbone. Anyone who saw Raphael Bush in 374 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: the playoff game against the Seahawks had to like what 375 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: they saw. I mean, knocked Harvin out of the game 376 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: with a brutal hit, knocked Golden Tate senseless, senseless to 377 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: the point that Tap made no impact again the rest 378 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: of the game. Two huge hits in one game, and 379 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: I heard Bush talking about and He's like, look, I 380 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: wanted to set a physical tone. I gotta like that. 381 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: It was surprising to see Rafael Bush, of all people, 382 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: sign a restricted freed intendent. But then I started thinking 383 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: about it. The Saints they don't have a lot of 384 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: salary cap space because they signed Jaris Bird at safety 385 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: by True or Foss. We're talking Rafael Bush just to 386 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: throw that in there, to throw what fired fired? Uh Finally, 387 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: Colt McCoy, you know we're just talking on Wednesday on 388 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: the podcast that Cult McCoy. You know his next job 389 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: could be as an assistant coach in Texas with the 390 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: with his old college team, but no, put that on hold. 391 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: He has signed a contract a one year deal with 392 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins, where presumably he will be behind both 393 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: r G three and Kirk Cousins. But perhaps the Redskins 394 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: might still be trying to trade Cousins. We don't know. 395 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: But Colt McCoy still in the league. Now, it's great 396 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: news for the Sessler family. Yeah, you know what, speaking 397 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: in the Sessler family, whenever a player that you know, 398 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: someone from the A t L team names their their 399 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: son after a player, they need to we need to 400 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: get him on the phone. If he's not in the studio, 401 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: so the gold standard. Can we ring up Sessler? I 402 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: think he I think he's still in the desert. Who cares. 403 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: We'll just call him and see if he wants to 404 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: pick up. And if he doesn't pick up, maybe he's 405 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: completely disconnected from the football world, and we could, you know, 406 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: leave him a voicemail letting him know that Colt McCoy 407 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: lives here. We go, thank you for facilitating this called center. 408 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna pick up. Mark never picks 409 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: up his phone. Plus the reception. I feel like in 410 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: the desert, they might be I think he's got a 411 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: tall surveys in his hand. Carolak no novel, noe around you. 412 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: You have reached the voicemail box. Mark, what's up? It's 413 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: the Around the League team. Hey, podcast, just wanted to 414 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: call say hello, Hope you we miss you. We really 415 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: haven't been the same without you. But we want to 416 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: let you know. Colt McCoy assigned with the Redskins. All right, buddy, 417 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: call us back. I wanted. I thought, Wes, you didn't 418 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: even jump in there. I thought I'm gonna jump in. 419 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: I thought we're gonna keep it tight and keep it right. 420 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to what should we call 421 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: him back? I'll send him a text now. I feel bad. 422 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: I thought I thought Greg was just handling it and 423 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: then we were gonna move on. Mark, nos, I miss 424 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: and we have a mind meld. That's true. It's true. 425 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look, if he named his kid after Courte McCoy, 426 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: he would want to know this. He probably doesn't. He 427 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: hasn't followed it. If if Ellis Burks, for instance, somehow 428 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: signed with another team, I would want you guys to 429 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: call and tell me that why named my daughter after 430 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: Ellis Burke? For at three year old outfield? All right? 431 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: Before we get to Joe Hayden, wanted to touch on 432 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: Chris Westling's post this week on the NFL's best wide 433 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: receiver duos. West I know you wrote something similar similar 434 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: post late last season, but that was when there were 435 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: some injuries and guys missing time, so the list looked 436 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: a little different. Now we have everybody healthy, end new 437 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: editions around. So how do we want to do this? 438 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: Should we just kind of go first, go down the 439 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: list and then Greg, why don't you jump in and 440 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: take down west for one of his UH rankings? Alright, 441 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: so he's got Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffrey in Chicago 442 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: at one, Julio Jones and Roddy White UH falcons to 443 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate with the Lions at three 444 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: interesting Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb, but the Packers Pierre 445 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: Garson Dishon Jackson, with the Redskins fallbed by Andre Johnson 446 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins at number six. Did Marius Thomas and 447 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: West Welker at seven, Lara Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd at eight, 448 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: t Y Hilton and Reggie Wayne at nine, and rounding 449 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: out the list A J. Green and Marvin Jones at ten. 450 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: Greg your thoughts. Oh, I think the Bears are unquestionably 451 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: number one. You can't argue with that. I like Julio 452 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: and Roddy number two. I thought, I'm not really sure 453 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: what we have in Roddy White right now, but fair enough, 454 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: I guess I just have. My biggest problem is that 455 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: aid DeAndre hiw Ppkins is involved in this at all, 456 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle with Andre Johnson. That seems odd 457 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: to me. And then I don't know about Calvin Johnson 458 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: and Golden Tape. I hear you, they're good as it do, 459 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: but wouldn't you rather have Nelson and Randall? Maybe you 460 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: know Calvin Johnson is that good Golden Tape? I do, 461 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: but Calvin Johnson is the best, and I don't think 462 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: it's closed. Was it hard for you to put Garson 463 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: in Deshaun Jackson below Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb? This 464 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: created a bit of a stir in our newsroom. It 465 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: wasn't hard at all, because I think Jordy Nelson is 466 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: one of those players that UH allows you to see 467 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: who's watching football in the NFL. Anyone who watches Jordy 468 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: Nelson knows he's one of the best receivers in the NFL, 469 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: and anyone who claims he's not just asn't watching the games. 470 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: Would you take Nelson over Garson and DeShawn individually. Yes, 471 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: I think he's the best of any ever in that group. 472 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: And I know we disagree on this, but I'd rather 473 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: have Randall Cobb than to Shawn Jackson. I don't see 474 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: Eric Decker and Jacobe Ford on this list. What happened 475 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: just in oversight? A lot of work, a lot of 476 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: man hours sum early mornings. Yeah, I clearly I'm remiss. 477 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what is this. DeAndre Hopkins at number six, Well, 478 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: I'm ranking based on two thousand fourteen, not two thousand thirteen. 479 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: Why why are we assuming that he's gonna improve a lot? 480 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: He seemed like the type of guy that was a 481 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: little bit lost. And I know he has the physical skills, 482 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: but everything that you heard about him behind the scenes, 483 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: learning routes, all that was. I don't know. It wouldn't 484 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: surprise me if he took a step back. He's a 485 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: spectacular talent, and he had Matt Shob and case Keenum 486 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: thrown to him last year. I'm taking to Marius Thomas 487 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: and West Welker over that. I might take to Marius 488 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: Thomas over Andre Johnson for two thousand fourteen. Anyways, Oh, 489 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: I would take to Marius Thomas over Andre Johnson, but 490 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: i'd take DeAndre Hopkins over Wes Welker by that much. Wow, 491 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: I don't like what I saw from Wes Welker after 492 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: to concussions. You're listening, I think you should look West 493 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: Welker by a large amount. I think you should look 494 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: at Welker stats after the two concussions last years. It's potentially. Yeah, 495 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: I think there's potential for Welcer to to really fall off. 496 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: I kind of get a vibe, have a bit of 497 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: assessler that could happen this year. I don't want it to. 498 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: Don't root for injuries, nothing like that, But I don't 499 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: know how much Welker has left. How about you have 500 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson all the way up there at number three 501 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: and Golden Tate, who's you know, a fine enough receiver, 502 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: but you don't give Dez Bryant the same respect as 503 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: being so good that he gets on the list, carrying 504 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 1: with whoever was with him. Science Williams isn't a bad 505 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: player and a huge desk Bryant Fham for ever since 506 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: he's come into the league. Good point by Dan Hands, 507 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: is there Golden Tate much better than Terence Williams. Terrence 508 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: Williams has potential, but I need to see him do it. 509 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: I give me if if you're if I'm buying them 510 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: by the duo, give me a Dez Bryant, Terrence Williams 511 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: over and a J Green Marvin Jones. I'll do it. 512 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: That's on the list. That's fair. I think from six 513 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: from six to all the guys listened to on honorable mention, 514 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: there's not much separation there. I agree. I like Dez 515 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: and Terence Williams better than Hilton and Wayne as well, 516 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: better than Johnson and Hopkins for sure. Who's up there 517 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: at six? I mean, Terence Williams is fine. I don't 518 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: think there's much of a difference between Golden Tate, your boy, 519 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: and Terence Williams. Golden Tate's just a guy that's on 520 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: teams that's gonna start and he's okay. But there's guys 521 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: like that all over the place. Well, if you don't 522 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: like guys who catch the ball at a better rate 523 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: than anybody in the NFL and make more tacklers miss 524 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: after the catch than anybody in the NFL. Then you're 525 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: not gonna like Golden Tate Torch. Here's here's my fearless prediction, 526 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: Pierre Garcona, Deshan Jackson will be number two on this 527 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: list next year. Wow, because West, we're gonna We're gonna 528 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: have you do this every month for the rest of 529 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: your time with the NFL with this list. All right, Well, 530 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any chance of that happening. And 531 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't think Deshaun Jackson gets to bring Chip Kelly's 532 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: offense with him to the Redskins. You know what other 533 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: tandem is gonna be higher on this list? A sneaky 534 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: duo here once Carson Palmer gets a little protection from 535 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: Jared vel Deer and Michael Floyd is the breakout guy 536 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: that you apparently think DeAndre Hopkins is. Fitzgerald has a 537 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: rejuvenated year that could be in the top three. I 538 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: do think Hopkins is a better talent than Floyd. I do, yes, 539 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: I think Hopkins is a spectacular Hopkins is a spectacular talent, 540 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: and I think Fitzgerald could have a bounce back season. 541 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: He was playing through the hamstragging injuries last year, but 542 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: he just hasn't really been an a league playmaker the 543 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: last couple of years. And it gets to the point where, 544 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: and I love Lara fitz Sheldon is a player, but 545 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: it gets to the point where you wonder, if you know, 546 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: after some truly great years and he's a Hall of Famer, 547 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: that every year there will be a hamstring or something 548 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: that's holding him back if his body. Though he's been 549 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: around forever, a year and a half younger than Andre Johnson, 550 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: I think maybe two years to full years, but one 551 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: of my favorite players in the last decade. I don't 552 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: want to see him not not being elite. Well, I'm 553 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: looking forward to Dez Bryant running through the rest of 554 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: the NFL like a man who's angry because Wesseling disrespected 555 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: him so bad. I don't think there's anyone writing about 556 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: football pop up des Bryant as much as I have 557 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: since he's been in the elite. Alright, I like that 558 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: you're in on Dez Bryant. Bryant, Yeah, you got there. 559 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: I think the media has been unfair to Dez Bryant 560 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: more than they've been unfair to any player over the 561 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: last half decade. That would be a good. Uh. We 562 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: should write these ideas down when we come up with him. 563 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: The media was too unfair to list. We need a 564 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: better title. But that's a that's a great We've got 565 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: a colonel of an idea. I like it. Well, let 566 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: me just say that I agree with you, guys. I 567 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: would not be surprised that dez Bryant, if des Bryant 568 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: Terrence Williams are as high as number five on this 569 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: list by the end of the year. Okay, alright, I 570 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: like that. I think between four, between four and five 571 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: there's a bigger gap than between five and the Honorable Mansion. 572 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: It's rare to see Wesselen back down so easily, but 573 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: we just the Bunsen burner. You could smell it in 574 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: the air as a sulfur. We need a better numbering 575 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: system than one through ten. We need we need decimals 576 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: or tears or something. Alright, moving on, um, As I 577 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: said earlier on Thursday, Chris Wesley and I sat down 578 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: with the great Joe Hayden of the Cleveland Browns, and 579 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: here is our interview with him. All Right, we have 580 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: a very special guest in studio. I promised the special 581 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: guests and we have a Superstar West. I'm not afraid 582 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: to say it. I'm gonna say I'm gonna put super 583 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: in front of Star. He is the quarterback for the 584 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. He is Joe Hayden. Joe was going on, 585 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: how you doing, Welcome to the Around the League podcast. 586 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: I know you're obviously probably a big fan of the 587 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: show's big honor. I would think, right, definitely, pleasure pleasure, 588 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: um no, So it's great to have you here. Joe 589 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: we we um we do we talk about when we 590 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: talk about the positions the cornerback. You're right at the 591 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: top of the list, and I just want to start 592 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: but saying, as you are a leader of this brown 593 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: one of the leaders of this Brown's franchise, what have 594 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: your thoughts been about their free agency? Let me let 595 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: me just go down the list real quick. You got 596 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: you've imported Dante Whittner or Hittner. What are we doing 597 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: with that as a hitting or a witness? He's going 598 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: with him. I'm a support him support. I don't know 599 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: about that. Carlos Stansby m also in the house now, 600 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: and then you have Ben Tait and Andrew Hawkins on offense. 601 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: What do you think um. Actually, you know when when 602 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: we let go, when when we couldn't figure out what 603 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: was going on with t J and the part of 604 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: ways with the Quail, you know, they went and filled 605 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: those positions out and I'm happy. I'm happy with a 606 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,719 Speaker 1: hitting her because I know that he's gonna bring up 607 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: He's gonna bring a mentality to defense the same way 608 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: that we had with t J. But he's he's a winner, 609 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, and he coming from San Francisco, he knows 610 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: how to win. He knows what it takes. And I'm 611 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: really happy just to just to get him in the 612 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: locker room and just get that whole, that whole feel out, 613 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, saying I want to I want to know 614 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: how a winner feels in the NFL, just being to 615 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: have him a part of the team. And I will 616 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: Ben take we needed a big spider of the learning 617 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: back position. That's something that we've been missing. And uh, 618 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: I think with Dion Lewis getting healthy, that's gonna help 619 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: us out a whole lot too. And slot receiver Walkins 620 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: and then we have a lot of draft picks, so 621 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: I know, I just can't wait for I can't wait 622 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: to see what we do with that. So the next 623 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: step is taking care of you. Right, How's how's that going? 624 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: Any any update on the talks we're talking, We're still 625 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: in we're still negotiations. It's going good. It's it's all positive. 626 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: It's all positive. I'm curious because if I was Joe Hayden, 627 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: which I'm not. For the record, I'm not Joe Hayden, 628 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: you don't dress nearly as nicely. And Joe keeps the 629 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: streak going. Every time we have a guest in here, 630 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: they dress seven and fourteen percent better than the guys 631 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: that are in the podcast studio. It's you keep the 632 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: streak alive. Congratulations. Um, But if I'm Joe Hayden and 633 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: you're twenty four years old, right, you've established yourself as 634 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: a star cornerback, your contracts up at the end of 635 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: the season, is it fair to say, let's say you 636 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: go through the season without a new deal, do you, 637 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: in your mind feel like you want to see or 638 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: need to see progress from this organization because it's had 639 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: to be a tough run since coming into the league, 640 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: all this losing. Do you feel like you need to 641 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: see this organization going in the right direction before you 642 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: recommit for a multi year deal. You know that. That's 643 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: what we're working on now, you know, Um, just just 644 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: the the whole thing is, I've been in the league 645 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: honestly now, I've been in leag for four years and 646 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: I've been putting my blood, sweat, tears out there and 647 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: uh and we haven't been we haven't been successful, and 648 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of regime changes. There's been a 649 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: lot of those things going on. So we do have 650 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: talks as far as moving forward, what's going to happen, 651 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: because you don't you don't have that much, you don't 652 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: have that long in the league to pay your best 653 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: ball and too you know, put your best foot forward. 654 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: So that would definitely have those talks and that that 655 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: definitely comes into consideration because you want to win, I mean, 656 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: and the money and everything. It's so it's good, I mean, 657 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it's great. But at the end 658 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: of the day, when you're you're playing, when when people 659 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: tell you play for the Browns and they and they 660 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: they chuckle, that his home because you go out there 661 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: every day and grind and work and and and the 662 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: owners and the new coaching staff and everybody knows that. 663 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: So the way that I see Alex Mack and with us, 664 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: we we want to win and they know we want 665 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: to win, and we have to definitely start making some 666 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: making some steps moving forward. Is there something working maybe 667 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: in the Browns favor because we know they want to 668 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: keep you that maybe you want to see this through, 669 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: like you don't want to leave this team after four down, 670 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: four or five down years. You want to be part 671 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: of it where they're the Browns are gonna people aren't 672 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: chuckling him. Yeah, the thing definitely, I mean, that's that's 673 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, I've I've been in here, I 674 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: put I've put it, I'm putting in work. I've been 675 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: putting in the work since I first got here. And 676 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: I'm not just going to run away to go somewhere else. 677 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: And you know that's that's not what I'm about. That's 678 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: not what I stand for. I want to be here 679 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: when it changes because that city is ready for a winner. 680 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: You know, were the Browns fans are some of the 681 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: best fans in the league, I say, and I want 682 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: to be there when we do start winning and we 683 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: could well turn Cleveland out. Is there any of their 684 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks coming out in the draft that you have 685 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: your eye on any like any one guy that you're like, 686 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 1: let's get that guy. No, I know you're not gonna. 687 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that honestly. Honestly, I really don't. I mean, 688 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: if I could pick one, I really just I just 689 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: want us to get no matter what however they handle it. 690 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: We know we have a lot of draft picks and 691 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: a lot of things like that. So I'm just sitting 692 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: back and just waiting until after the draft to when 693 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: we see the squad and we know who we have, 694 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: because whoever, we we have so many picks that we 695 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: just I just want to get the right guys at 696 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: the right spots. And that's I mean, that's all I 697 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: want to just want to know who we have, so 698 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: when we go on the training camp, we know who 699 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: donna who donna how to battle with. But this is, 700 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, this is a quarterback league. Obviously in one 701 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: of the big issues since two thousand tens, you guys 702 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: have not had that stability. I gotta think that you're 703 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: pulling for them to finally lock down that franchise guy. 704 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: So you're not looking at all with this class or 705 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: Johnny Football. George Bush sitting there in his little his 706 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: little cart there with his wife walking dogs. You're not 707 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: interested in anything. I don't know. I watched every throw. 708 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: I watched every throw and minds else. Pro Day, me 709 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: and my Day we were locked in. We had and 710 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: we had NFL and at work on locked all the 711 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: way in. Um we that that that's definitely something I'm 712 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: worried about. What I know we I honestly have have 713 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: faith in Brian Horror too, because when he was there, 714 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: he had us three games winning straight in the row 715 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 1: and that he and he had went out with injury. 716 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 1: So if he gets healthy, I know we're gonna draft quarterbacks. 717 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: I just want it to be competition. I want Holier 718 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: to be able to compete against another rookie quarterback, whoever 719 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: we do bring in, and whichever one of those end 720 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: up winning the quarterback I'm behind him a hundred percent. 721 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to be a I wanted to 722 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: be a fight to be the starting quarterback for our team. 723 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: Sure and uh, when Darrell Reeves was available h a 724 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: few weeks ago, did you let your mind go there 725 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: that maybe he could come to Cleveland. Know when he 726 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: has a history with coach Patton, that would have been sick, 727 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: That would have been sick, you know. But with honestly, 728 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: the thing, I just I'm just waiting because I know 729 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: with with Mr Hasling, he his goal is to win. 730 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: You could tell by the way he's been running the 731 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: team now, the way the decisions he's making with the 732 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: general managers and everything like that. So I mean, I 733 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: he has my hundred percent support because I know his 734 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: his best interest is in the Browns and to make 735 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 1: us win now. So whatever he does, I haven't I'm 736 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: good with it. Alright, Joe, can you tell us a 737 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: little bit about the Foundation for the Undefeated? Oh man, 738 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm out here to the supporting undefeated Undefeated. Um, it's 739 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: it's a really good organization. When we're linking up with 740 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: the Special Olympics, and um, the Special Olympics is really 741 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: close to me because you know, my my little brother, 742 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: he's a Special Olympic athlete and it just it just 743 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: touches my heart to go see him out there. He 744 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: can't really play football, and I have four I have 745 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: four younger brothers. Three I'm playing college ball, and my 746 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: my youngest brother, he he really he wants to do 747 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: when he comes out there. He he's our biggest supporter. 748 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: So I'll go watch him play Special Limpics basketball, Special 749 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: Limics track ball, And I'm just anything. Those kids are 750 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: so special, man, those they did, the looks on their 751 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: faces when out there because Pete and having a good time. 752 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean, anything I can do to support it. And 753 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: Undefeated does a great job just trying to raise money 754 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: and awareness. So I mean it's it's it hits home 755 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: for me because of my little brother. So man, I 756 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm just doing whatever I can't help them raise money. 757 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: That's a great cause. You could find more out find 758 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: more about The Undefeated at ww dot The Undefeated dot org. 759 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: Joe Hayden, best of luck to you this year and 760 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: getting the Browns back on track and making the chuckles dissipate. 761 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 1: Best of luck to all of your younger brothers. Appreciate. 762 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: All right, that was great. What did you think about 763 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: that interview? Greg? I think Joe sounds like a nice guy. 764 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: You didn't hear it. I just made that up. He wasn't. 765 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: He was yet it's very amicable, like a genuine good, 766 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: nice dude, easy to root for, basically, that on what 767 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: you guys told me. And had the best shoes I've 768 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: ever seen in this studio. Very well dressed, and it 769 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: sounds like he was legitimately wants to stay with the Browns, 770 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: and the Browns gotta make sure they get that right, 771 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: because is uh, you know, he is a great player. 772 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: And I did think it was interesting that he he 773 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: did do some thinking when the rivus rumors floated out 774 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: about pairing up in the in the secondary. That that's 775 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: interesting to me. That imagine if they were together, what 776 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: that could have done. That would have been a great experiment. 777 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: Has there ever been two cornerbacks that good together in 778 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: a secondary Mike Haynes and Lester Hayes. There you go, 779 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: just went way back machine on me. And he was, 780 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Hayden was legitimately frustrated and wanting to change 781 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: that everything that goes along with the Browns. You were saying, 782 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: even even off the air as he was walking out 783 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: the door. Basically, yeah, no, he he doesn't like the 784 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: fact that people chuckle when when the Browns get referenced 785 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: when he mentions that he's with the Browns, and he 786 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: wants to be part of changing that. So it will 787 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: be interesting to see if they get that right, because uh, 788 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: you know, it's a hard organization to trust. Nobody wants 789 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: to be a laughing stock thing You're Charlie Brown exactly. 790 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 1: I think I think we're ready for the special. Yes, 791 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 1: all right, we promised you a special guest. Bonker's sacks 792 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: is backers. What's up? Good to be back? Thanks to 793 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: the gold standard. Who didn't slam the door in my 794 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: face when I walked through the doors. The thing that 795 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: I love right now is I was expecting car Ridge 796 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: to come through the doors and sit in the studio 797 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: with us, but she chose to put on the headset 798 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: and stay behind the glass. Was that on purpose? Hey? Rich? 799 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: Behind the glass? I thought you were taking the next 800 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: step leaving the producer, now your talent. You're on air. 801 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: You know, do you want to symbolically put down the 802 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,720 Speaker 1: headset and come sit in the chair here? I don't. 803 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: I want to stay behind the glass. I love my position, 804 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: Kay Rich. So I know you know this because we've 805 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: been in contact with you. You are in the office periodically. 806 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: Um that you have a quite a following for the 807 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: Around the League podcast. A lot of fans have been 808 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: asking us, tweeting at us where's Kay Rich? Some in 809 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: a creepy manner, some in a caring matter, and and 810 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: Where have you been, k Rich? What is going on 811 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: with you? Well? I am back. I left for a 812 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: little bit a little while. I have a show that 813 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm hosting on time when a cable called get Fit. 814 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: What is that about? It's about me busting people's behind 815 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: to get them off their chairs and getting them to 816 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: befit like these NFL players that we're talking about. It 817 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: was just inspired by Gregg getting out of his chair exactly. 818 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: You put two and two together, perfect, And that's what 819 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: That's where I've been. But I'm hoping to be back 820 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: a little more during the regular season. Oh great, did 821 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, ky Rich that at the NFL owner meetings 822 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: last week Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal went for a 823 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: jog together through an area park. No, they didn't together together. 824 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: How did that work out for you? Greg? It was great? 825 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: We uh we left healthy and happy and knowing each 826 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: other a little better when did so? How can you 827 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 1: watch this show if you're in southern California? Yeah, tune 828 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: into Channel three four Monday nights eight thirty pm to 829 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: see my face not behind the glass. But if I'm here, 830 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm always behind the glass. That's not changing. It would 831 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: be crazy if every one of our producers went on 832 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: to host their own exercise show after they're gone here, 833 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: like what would the Zach exercise shows? So the gold 834 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: Standards like the next Richard Simmons. The gold Steadard is 835 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: already dealing with a lot of expectations and now not 836 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: only and the gold standard. K what you should know 837 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: has done an excellent job while you've been away. He's 838 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: really hitting a home run. To use a baseball analogy, 839 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: that means you're doing well. Um, but now you must 840 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: now you must also uh found found some type of 841 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: fitness show on a on a cable network. It's gonna 842 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: be all soccer. Look they're trading the headset. Now this 843 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: is symbolic as well. Yeah. No, I mean I'm thinking 844 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: Zoomba is much more suited to my personality. Um, we 845 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: don't know what that. I don't know. Do you know 846 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 1: what zoomba is? Oh, it's all the it's all the 847 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: raj as they say, Um, it's great. Uh, it's like aerobics, 848 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: like Brazilian aerobics. Almost Freddy Freddy listeners that have subscribed 849 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: in the last couple of months, which we appreciate you. 850 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: K rich was our original producer and really her voice. 851 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: I think is a big reason why we grew so fast. 852 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: I mean, because people always requested k rich to just 853 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: say certain things. What was her? She had a catch though? 854 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: What was that again? We're gonna throw it back. Friday 855 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: inserts the ways of an older woman comment here, listen 856 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: to that. That's some real soul. We're just gonna keep 857 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,959 Speaker 1: this music playing as we exit. Ka rich always here, 858 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: thanks for stopping. Thank you for stopping by. You know 859 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: you're always welcome. Gold Standard, don't be intimidated. No, keep 860 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: that music playing, please, we've got to play that out. Um. 861 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: So yes, thank you, Thank you to k Richard. No, 862 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: maybe we'll take a picture together. We'll put it up 863 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: on the A t L page to show that this 864 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: actually happened. We'll get gold Standard involved as well. Um, 865 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: thank you for listening the picture. Yeah, the league podcast 866 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: isn't It's just it's the structure of the picture taking. 867 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: That's all sat. Uh. We will be back on Monday 868 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: as well, Mark Sessler. We look forward to that. Uh. 869 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: And until then, this is Dan Hansens signing off for 870 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: the mail Man, the Boss, the gold Standard behind the 871 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: Glass and also k rich until Monday. Friday, all right,