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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk all about the policy prescriptions of the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration. We're not going to hear anymore about Operation

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Speaker 1: We're talking right now about jockeying amongst Republicans. Bloomberg Sound

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Speaker 1: On the Insiders, the influencers, the insiders fighting has commented

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Speaker 1: again and again that he will unite the country. Who

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Speaker 1: moderate detectors. The House has been voting for this stimulus

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Speaker 1: package basically for months. Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surreley

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio Infrastructure Eve. We check in with Congresswoman

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Speaker 1: Jan Schakowski, Democrat representing Illinois ninth Congressional District, on the

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Speaker 1: eve President Joe Biden Infrastructure Unveil. And my name is

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Speaker 1: Kevin Currelian, the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg of Radio. Accompanied by the All Star Policy

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Speaker 1: Panel with Bloomberg Politics contributor Rick Davis. We begin tonight

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Speaker 1: with the big story President Joe Biden today, uh saying

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Speaker 1: essentially that it's time for there to be infrastructure, and

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Speaker 1: in doing so, he signed the Paycheck Protection Program Extension

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Speaker 1: Act into law. Here's the President just before the bill signing.

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Speaker 1: Without somebody signing this bill today, there are hundreds of

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Speaker 1: thousands of people who could lose their jobs and small

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Speaker 1: family businesses in white close forever. And as you know,

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Speaker 1: a small business is the backbone of our economy and

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Speaker 1: representing almost of all employees in America. Meanwhile, Senator Senator

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell rather uh well, he had a lot to

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Speaker 1: say about the government spending on the eve of President

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Speaker 1: Biden's unveil of what summer, saying could be three trillion

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Speaker 1: dollars worth of infrastructure and a proposal that he's set

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Speaker 1: to unveil tomorrow in Pittsburgh. Of his sitting the mckessen

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Speaker 1: vaccine distribution Center in Bullock County, Kentucky. Here sent up

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Speaker 1: an already leader Mitch McConnell talking or criticizing the American

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Speaker 1: Rescue Plan. Take a listen to the sound on this.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a spending spree that the country

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Speaker 1: you did not need. And I would remind you that

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Speaker 1: even after what we did last year, our national debt

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Speaker 1: became the size of our economy, which hasn't happened since

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Speaker 1: World War Two, and now we've added two trallon dollars

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Speaker 1: more to it. I want to welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: program congress Woman Jan Schakowski, a Democrat representing Illinois ninth

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Speaker 1: Congressional district. This district is anchored in Chicago's North Side,

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Speaker 1: including much of the area bordering Lake Michigan. Congress, something

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Speaker 1: great to have you on such an important day. You

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Speaker 1: just heard it from McConnell. He says it's too much money,

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Speaker 1: we can't afford infrastructure. Well, you know, we didn't hear

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Speaker 1: that from Mitch McConnell when they passed with through reconciliation,

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Speaker 1: meaning that they only needed fifty votes as well to

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Speaker 1: UM add two trillion dollars to the debt with attack cut.

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Speaker 1: That went to the wealthiest Americans. UM, and that was

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Speaker 1: just fine. About two thirds of it went to the

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Speaker 1: top one percent of Americans. Now that we're actually helping

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Speaker 1: our economy, helping ordinary people, putting people back to work,

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Speaker 1: helping our small businesses in particular. Now, oh, they're so

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Speaker 1: worried about all this depth that is coming up and

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you most people, about seventy five plus percent

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Speaker 1: of the Americans are really loving this UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Rescue Act, the American Rescue Plan that that Joe

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Speaker 1: the depths of despair and UH and deprivation. And now

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Speaker 1: we're moving on to not just uh now to recovery

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Speaker 1: and and so we're going to have a bill that

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Speaker 1: that infrastructure that is desperately needed as well in our country. Okay, Congress,

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Speaker 1: but truthfully, I mean, do you expect that President Biden

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Speaker 1: is going to outline how he plans to pay for that,

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Speaker 1: because I mean even I talked to Democrats who want

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Speaker 1: especially in the middle class. They're worried about their taxes

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Speaker 1: could also reduce some of the UM military budget, which

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Speaker 1: I think is is usually bloated. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: certainly going to talk about what this is going to

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Speaker 1: Are you at that stage yet where you've looked at

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Speaker 1: to support the legislation. Well, I'm not there. I mean

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Speaker 1: sure there are certainly people who would be happy about that,

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Speaker 1: This is a negotiation. UM. You know, we have negotiated

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Speaker 1: um all of these bills. Now there is a chance

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Speaker 1: all right. And back in two thousand and fifteen, Congress,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off, and I really

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Speaker 1: It's it's right. He may turn out to be the

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Speaker 1: When I want to pick up on the bipartisan nature

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Speaker 1: and this is my twelfth term now, UM and infrastructure

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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: And so, uh, this this is what got the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration in a fix with Republicans on Capitol Hill. Last

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Speaker 1: thing they wanted to do was spend more money on

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Speaker 1: amtrack and other rail services that are that are subsidized

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Speaker 1: already by the government. And and so, now, as you

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Speaker 1: rightly point out, on the eve of pivoting over to

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Speaker 1: a big trans or big infrastructure bill, um, do we

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Speaker 1: really want to be doing a victory lap on amtrack?

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a bit of a mustache, but uh,

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Speaker 1: you know it's where the victory lap on the American

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Speaker 1: Rescue Plant intersected into the rollout of the new infrastructure bill.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Centator Baggage. I know you want to come

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Speaker 1: in here. Yeah, I would see this. You know, first off,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm from Alaska. We don't know what amtrak is. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what my point exactly, we have a railroad

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Speaker 1: that only works in Alaska. But uh saying that, uh,

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Speaker 1: important piece. But put that aside. I think the bigger

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Speaker 1: issue is and I think you're you know, is that

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Speaker 1: the right message? Is that the right thing they should

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Speaker 1: have said? You know, that was a small clip out

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Speaker 1: of a larger speech. But put that up the side

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Speaker 1: here and just think about what's gonna happen tomorrow. You

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Speaker 1: see the market responding and people there's pent up demand

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Speaker 1: for all the work that needs to be done in

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Speaker 1: this economy for our infrastructure. May maybe programmatic things like

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Speaker 1: the highway bill, or the air traffic or the air

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Speaker 1: bill or the water water bill, all those things are important.

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Speaker 1: But where else are they gonna put money in non

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Speaker 1: traditional what I call programmatic uh formula programs where I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a huge demand. I think the

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Speaker 1: idea of trying to figure out how you get Republicans

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Speaker 1: or there's one thing you know I do in the

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Speaker 1: Senate in my days as a mayor, of Republicans like

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Speaker 1: one thing like I liked, and that is building stuff

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Speaker 1: and infrastructure, and that's about jobs, about people working. It's

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Speaker 1: good for the economy and as a long, longer trickle effect.

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Speaker 1: The question will be, will Senators suddenly have amnesia and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: my gosh, we can't spend this money despite the fact

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Speaker 1: they funded when they did the DOC fix unfunded on

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Speaker 1: no money to support it. When they did the tax increase,

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Speaker 1: no money to support it, or the tax decrease, no

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Speaker 1: money to support that. So you know, this is the

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Speaker 1: classic DC thing. Now at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: you know there's gonna be a strong effort to get

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Speaker 1: Republicans on board with the infrastructure because it is something

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Speaker 1: that I know a lot of Republicans talk about. But

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Speaker 1: the American people, if you look at the data on

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Speaker 1: the bill that just passed, they didn't care Republicans support

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Speaker 1: it or not. What they cared about was are you

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Speaker 1: giving me a check? Am I getting my shot? Am

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Speaker 1: I going to be able to get my kids back

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Speaker 1: in the school? What this will do will be very

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Speaker 1: simple if they do it right, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: they will yet, but if they do it right and

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Speaker 1: they put this money in the projects I can get

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Speaker 1: on the ground fairly quickly. The American people are just

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Speaker 1: gonna be happy that there's work, there's activity, and they

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Speaker 1: will see it and they will forget about the inside

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Speaker 1: doult way by that what's partisan what's not, because the

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Speaker 1: result will make the decision for them. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at the data. Forties some per cent of Republicans and

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Speaker 1: the population supported the bill that just passed, and no

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Speaker 1: amtrack too much because I also take the Amtrak from

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Speaker 1: DC to Philly when I where I go home, where

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Speaker 1: I get off at Biden station. If I can convince

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Speaker 1: one of my one of my relatives to pick me

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Speaker 1: up in Delaware, and uh, I gotta say the way

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Speaker 1: they can keep the balance, especially those workers in the

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Speaker 1: cafe cart which has been closed because of the COVID

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Speaker 1: massive skill. I have no idea how they do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm baffled, especially with the coffee, the way they juggled

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Speaker 1: at it's it's really a tort of force. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to a White House Press Secretary Jen Saki said

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Speaker 1: today earlier today previewing President Biden's speech Suffer tomorrow about

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Speaker 1: the concerns on the infrastructure plan. Here's the sound on

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Speaker 1: this from Sakum making an investment in America, not just

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Speaker 1: modernizing our roads or railways or bridges, but building an

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Speaker 1: infrastructure of the future. So some of it is certainly

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Speaker 1: infrastructure shove already projects. Some of it is how do

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Speaker 1: we expand broadband access. Some of it is ensuring that

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Speaker 1: So there you go. I mean a lot riding on

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Speaker 1: that speech tomorrow, and we will cover it every goal.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you there's been meetings here just about

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Speaker 1: how we're going to cover it and everything going on.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna have every single angle covered coming up.

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Speaker 1: We talked to US China relations, plus the World Health

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Speaker 1: Organization weighed in on wuhan just exactly how did that

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Speaker 1: virus emerge. I'm Kevin Sereley. This is Bloomberg. This is

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Sound On with Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kevin Surreally, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. All Right, we're here with the All Star

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Speaker 1: Policy Panel. Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributor and Mark Beggat's

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Speaker 1: former Alaska Senator. Strategic consulting advisor, Brown Steing hired Farber

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Speaker 1: Intructive tweaked the prey tag down to two and a

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Speaker 1: quarter trillion dollars for President Biden's price tag on that

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Speaker 1: speech tomorrow that he is delivering on infrastructure. But we

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Speaker 1: turned out to US China relations because the World Health

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Speaker 1: Organization's Peter ben em Barrack said at a press conference

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Speaker 1: that there wasn't any proof or evidence that the labs

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Speaker 1: would have been involved in ruhan in a league or

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Speaker 1: came from. Take a listen about the World Health Organization

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Speaker 1: how to say today? It looks like we don't. Nobody

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Speaker 1: has been able to pick up any any firm arguments

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Speaker 1: or proof or evidence that these labs or any of

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Speaker 1: these labs would have been involved in a in a

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Speaker 1: in a lab league accident. Meanwhile, the United States signed

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Speaker 1: a joint statement expressing shared concerns about the World Health

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Speaker 1: Organization team's report on the possible origins of COVID nineteen

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Speaker 1: and White House Press Secretary Jen Saki said during her

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Speaker 1: briefing today that she echoed the administration's concerns. She said

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Speaker 1: that the White House has a team of experts studying

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Speaker 1: the World Health Organization's report. Here she is it lacks

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Speaker 1: crucial data information, it lacks access, it lacks transparency. It's

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Speaker 1: certainly we don't believe that in our review to date

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Speaker 1: that it meets the moment, it meets the impact that

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Speaker 1: this pandemic has had on the global community. So Rick,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's very remarkable to see how the

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Speaker 1: World Health Organization during the fourth quarter of the campaign

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Speaker 1: and the lead up to election day was a contentious

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Speaker 1: political Panada, for lack of a better phrase, where you

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Speaker 1: had Democrats and and than candidate Biden uh saying that

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Speaker 1: there needed to be increased funding for the World Health Organization,

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Speaker 1: and now you have a deeply skeptical President Biden raising

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Speaker 1: concerns about the narrative that the World Health Organization is

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Speaker 1: putting out for the World's review. Yes, Kevin, I mean

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Speaker 1: the politics created a black and white situation where Biden

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Speaker 1: had to be for rejoining the w h O and

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Speaker 1: because Donald Trump had pulled the U S out of it,

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Speaker 1: have reforms, but doing it in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: pandemic was a big topic. What's interesting about this report

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Speaker 1: out a lab based leak of this virus, the head

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Speaker 1: of WHO has basically said, look, we can't rule that out.

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Speaker 1: He's come out and said, wait a minute, we just

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Speaker 1: don't have any information about that. We weren't given access

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Speaker 1: to raw data, we weren't given you know, transparency, and

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna we're gonna continue to investigate that option.

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Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, I think this

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Speaker 1: just believed that they were gonna they were gonna whitewash

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Speaker 1: the entire investigation into where this virus came from. I

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Speaker 1: ago when this thing started. Senator Baggage, do you agree, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: do know this, uh that you know we've had the

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Speaker 1: a huge credit because they did something that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people said they couldn't do and get as many

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Speaker 1: vaccines out as quickly as possible. But to the China

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Speaker 1: US and Alatka's kind of unique. Right. We just had

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Speaker 1: the discussions here in Anchorage a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: think the Biden administration is going to continue to kind

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Speaker 1: of raise the flag on, maybe on this issue or

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Speaker 1: trade or manipulation. You picked the issue. I think the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration sees that China is one of those places

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Speaker 1: where they can play tough but also recognize there has

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Speaker 1: of many issues. And I still agree on that. I

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Speaker 1: of the virus. The good news is we have vaccines

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Speaker 1: produced in record time that if people would just take them,

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Speaker 1: we could actually curb very quickly. The World Health Organization

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Speaker 1: really stepped in it because so you've got this one

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Speaker 1: You know that the international community in the United States

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Speaker 1: is lambasting and saying that it's just you know, faulty data.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got the Director General tatris At how Tom

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Speaker 1: the international team of scientists determined that a leak is

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Speaker 1: the least likely hypothesis, it still requires further investigation. Rick Davis,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the World Health Organization, what is it.

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Speaker 1: You've got a report out there that says one thing,

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Speaker 1: an as as a unified organization. Well, first of all, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: kudos to you for being able to pronounce that name,

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Speaker 1: because that is not job. You are all pro uh

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Speaker 1: I mean, we still have issues with you know, them

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Speaker 1: not giving it straight from the chin. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: we've seen the politicalization of these institutions throughout the United States,

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Speaker 1: but we have to really remember that that's been going

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Speaker 1: going to get proper information. I think that the Biden

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Speaker 1: the origins of this IRIS that they've done all the

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Speaker 1: Biden Press Secretary did a good job of pushing back

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Speaker 1: in a very diplomatic way. But you know, this is

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Speaker 1: not the end of this story. And I think that

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing is a little bit of the laundry

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Speaker 1: being washed at the w h O is to how

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Speaker 1: they actually get information out to the public. So Ted

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Speaker 1: this is. You know, the facts have been laid out

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Speaker 1: in terms of the UH, in terms of the dates

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Speaker 1: in which China did not allow there to be World

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Speaker 1: Health Organization scientists allowed into wuhan allowed into the lab

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Speaker 1: in question UH. And I think it's a pretty neutral

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Speaker 1: statement to say that folks are wondering why the Communist

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Speaker 1: enter into China, uh, instead of waiting till when they

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Speaker 1: Then you've got the current Secretary of State Tony B. Lincoln,

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Speaker 1: has quote real concerns about the methodology and the process

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Speaker 1: of the report, including this is important. The Chinese government

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Speaker 1: quote apparently helped to write it end quote. So this

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Speaker 1: is not a part as an issue as it Senator Baggage,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the one of the areas where

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Speaker 1: Health Organization and the Communist Party of China's relationship to

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Speaker 1: the World Health Organization. Right, yeah, you know, you're right

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Speaker 1: on I mean, this is you know, when you it's

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Speaker 1: rare to see bipartisan issues. This is clearly one and

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of the m O for China, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they do anything that brings up World review,

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Speaker 1: less is better for them. Right. They don't want people

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Speaker 1: to know what they're doing, even it doesn't matter what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. They just don't want people to know what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. Maybe on this issue around UH, the virus

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Speaker 1: or anything else. And it's because the more information you learn, uh,

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Speaker 1: to some extent you see, the more repressive government it is.

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Speaker 1: And how they you know you said it. They answer

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Speaker 1: was in your statement, why don't they do it? Is

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Speaker 1: Chinese communist government. You just answered your own question, and

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Speaker 1: that is they need to control every bit of information right,

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Speaker 1: long or indifferent. And that's because how they control their people.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't like a reporter or a blogger getting

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Speaker 1: a call from a source and having to issue a correction.

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Speaker 1: What's at stake here? This is the global narrative, is

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Speaker 1: it not. We talked about big tech earlier and misinformation,

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Speaker 1: but this is a global narrative for for history in

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Speaker 1: many ways. Yeah, it's a global narrative, and uh, it's

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Speaker 1: very important to the health and well being of the

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Speaker 1: entire globe. And so I think that when you see

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Speaker 1: trying to manipulate the public opinion to not be the

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Speaker 1: ones who are responsible for the virus. And gardless of

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Speaker 1: what happens, um, they're going to be at the center

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Speaker 1: of this controversy for a long time to come. Really

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Speaker 1: such an important story the world Health Organization, that report

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Speaker 1: that came out, the interfighting squabbling amongst officials at the

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Speaker 1: World Health Organization, and the United States response again joining

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Speaker 1: that joint statement expressing shared concerns with other countries about

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Speaker 1: the legitimacy of that World Health Organization report. Really important

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