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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pizipia, and

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Speaker 1: today it's all about value. That's right. You don't need

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Speaker 1: to shop at the Whole Foods necessarily to win a

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Speaker 1: fantasy championship. No, No, we can find some guys with

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Speaker 1: some really good, great values for you, and of course

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about those players in the early rounds,

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Speaker 1: the mid to late all that stuff with two of

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Speaker 1: my favorite people, Jake Seeley from the Athletic pat Fitzmorris

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Speaker 1: my Patty Cakes. And of course subscribe here to the

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel Fantasy Pros because this is what we do here.

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Speaker 1: We talk fantasy football twelve months out of the year,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days, and it feels like

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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days. Sometimes I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that I feel like every day is just a

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Speaker 1: gift when I get to hang out with these two

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Speaker 1: and talk ball. So today, gentlemen, value is always a

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Speaker 1: difficult thing because you struggle with it even at the

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Speaker 1: grocery store. Right, you go to the grocery store and

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Speaker 1: you find something that looks like a good value, you

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Speaker 1: take home that frozen pizza. Next thing, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not exactly what you thought it was going to be.

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Speaker 1: The cardboards a little you know, kind of a feeling

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Speaker 1: of taste, and the crust is not what you want

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Speaker 1: it to be. The cheese maybe not quite as melty,

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Speaker 1: the sauce is not what you expected it to be,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bland. So, Jake, what is it about

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Speaker 1: values that really stick out to you when you're looking

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Speaker 1: for the fantasy equivalent? Because sometimes values present themselves, but

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Speaker 1: sometimes they leave a bad taste in your mouth. And

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Speaker 1: this was the longest I could possibly go for a

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Speaker 1: bad metaphor.

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Speaker 2: I know you're really stretching that one.

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Speaker 1: I did, and I feel like I saved it at

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Speaker 1: the end. It was really bad, but saved it in

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Speaker 1: the last minute, pulled it around a little bit there.

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Speaker 2: So I will say it's trying to find It's easy

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Speaker 2: the players that have ceilings that there's a gap from

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Speaker 2: where they are beating drafted to where that gap is

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Speaker 2: where that ceiling can hit. Obviously, the risk comes with

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Speaker 2: a lot of these players because we're not talking about first, second,

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Speaker 2: are very small, you know, like, Okay, maybe somebody can

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Speaker 2: finish as RB two, but if he's being drafted at

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Speaker 2: the end of the first round, like cool, Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: is a ceiling. But we're looking for those players that,

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Speaker 2: whether by what we've talked about on other shows, breakouts,

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Speaker 2: team changes, offensive changes, whatever it might be, where you're

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Speaker 2: getting rounds different value. And again, a lot of it

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Speaker 2: comes with risk because they aren't they're not top three.

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Speaker 2: There are top three rounds of draft picks because there's

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Speaker 2: risks associated, there's scenarios that we don't know. But that's

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Speaker 2: what we're really looking for, basically, to put it in

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Speaker 2: the return on investment, we're looking for the biggest returns

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Speaker 2: on investment we can find.

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Speaker 1: Fitzy, Sometimes they often find that the values lie within

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Speaker 1: the veterans, you know. Often, you know, we get kind

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Speaker 1: of bored with certain players that we know we're just good,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like in a lot of drafts, some

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Speaker 1: of the veteran players can get pushed to the side

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Speaker 1: a little bit and underappreciated. And that's something that I

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Speaker 1: always pay attention to. In redraft leagues too. You know,

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Speaker 1: everyone's always looking for the big thing, you know, that

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Speaker 1: next thing that's going to crack and when you a league.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes those things disappoint. But yeah, there's the veterans

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it that Scott Pinowski calls those guys

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Speaker 3: the rul of Banya's All Stars, the guys who just

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Speaker 3: dependably give you twenty five home runs and ninety RBIs

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Speaker 3: a year. And there are equivalents in football, guys who

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Speaker 3: just you know, punch in, give you their consistent numbers

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Speaker 3: punch out. And maybe because they sort of their ceiling

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Speaker 3: as cap they are what they are, they're less sexy

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Speaker 4: But there is a.

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Speaker 3: Value to that sort of high floor, baseline production that

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Speaker 2: Shout out to the teen percent of the people who

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Speaker 2: got that wrong roll of back already got it.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, go watch Fantasy Pro's MLB. Go subscribe to

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Speaker 1: that channel if you likes in baseball. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Ralvan Is, we were just talking about him on the

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Speaker 1: show because I was I was comping a young player

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Speaker 1: to him that was coming up through the miners. Age

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Speaker 1: thirty four was the real breakout season for him, so

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Speaker 1: anything's possible for y'all out there too. Just remember Roll

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Speaker 1: of Banya's didn't really start becoming great th thirty four,

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right, Let's get to some of these names,

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Speaker 1: piece of content here on the channel. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: some early round values. Now this is a little trickier

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Speaker 1: because obviously some of these players are still pretty big names.

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Speaker 1: But Pat, I want to start with you here because

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Speaker 1: despite the fact it's a crowded backfield in Arizona, you

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Speaker 1: still think Jeremiah Love is coming at a value. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about why and maybe also the expectations of when

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Jeremiah Love, because I think that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a crowded backfield, Joe, but I do think

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Speaker 3: it's a crowd of guys standing around the coffee maker

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Speaker 3: waiting to get Jeremiah love his coffee and flavorite the

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Speaker 3: way he wants.

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Speaker 4: Like he's going to be the guy.

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Speaker 3: You don't spend a number three pick on him and

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Speaker 3: only to have him share time with James Connor and

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Speaker 3: Tyler Algier So, and I think the crowd is part

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Speaker 3: of what's keeping his ADP down or his ECR. Last

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Speaker 3: half point ECR. That and the fact that he went

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Speaker 3: to a bad team. But man, so, I just look

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Speaker 3: at the historical precedent here with highly drafted first round

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Speaker 3: running backs. So from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: there were eight such running backs guys selected with top

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Speaker 3: twelve overall picks in the draft over those eleven years,

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Speaker 3: Todd Gurley, Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 3: b John Robinson, Jamior Gibbs, and Ashton Genty. Those eight

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Speaker 3: running backs in their rookie years averaged fourteen one hundred

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Speaker 3: And I think the worst output of any of them

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Speaker 3: some pretty good pass catching production. He was RB eleven

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Speaker 3: worst fantasy finish I think was gent last year, who

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Speaker 3: might have been RB thirteen I believe, which is where

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Speaker 3: Love is drafted now. So you're drafting Love, I think

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Speaker 3: potentially at his floor. And as far as the argument

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Speaker 3: that the Cardinals were terrible, those eight running backs drafted

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Speaker 3: with top twelve picks from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: the winning percentage of the team that drafted those guys

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Speaker 3: terrible teams too, and those running backs did just fine.

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Speaker 3: So I know there's a few of rookie running backs

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Speaker 3: But I think Love is a value where he's being

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of draft capital put into him

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Speaker 1: as well. By the way, speaking of the coffee Creamer

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Speaker 1: situation here, wondering what do you think Jake Seely is

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Speaker 1: with the coffee creamer. You think he's a French vanilla guy,

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Speaker 1: hazel nut drinking that nasty stuff. I knew. I knew

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Speaker 1: that was gonna be as like he doesn't even draft

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Speaker 1: and drink coffee.

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Speaker 4: What's your what's your morning pick me up?

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Speaker 1: Jake?

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Speaker 2: I don't mean anything.

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Speaker 3: I'm super Oh my god, you just spring out of

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Speaker 3: bed without any any pick I'm.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not a person. I've just never needed like

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Speaker 2: I drink water in the morning to rehydrate, and then

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Speaker 2: I have energy drink throughout the day. But I've never

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Speaker 2: needed that.

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Speaker 1: Like Derek Brown people. You ever the energy drink.

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Speaker 2: Folks, No, I know it's mixed in here with my

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Speaker 2: protein drink and then gatorade essentially, but I don't drink gatorade,

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Speaker 2: but that's throughout the day.

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Speaker 1: It's quite a it's quite a concoction he got there.

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Speaker 2: I know this is what last me the entire day.

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Speaker 1: Now to get off my lawn, Jeremiah Love for a moment.

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Speaker 1: Give me your thoughts on him, old man, because to

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Speaker 1: Fitzy's point, I mean, the talent is they are the

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Speaker 1: draft capitals there. Everything presents itself. It's just a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a crowded situation, and ironically it's Tyler Algier

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Speaker 1: again who could be the villain in this situation, just

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Speaker 1: like it was for Bijon in his rookie year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the fact that we're actually starting with

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Speaker 2: a disagreement between Fits and me. It's not usually normal

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Speaker 2: that we're on up size.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: I actually think his spot is fair at thirteen because

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Speaker 2: that's where I would put him because of all those

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Speaker 2: is last year with Genty, and I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: play recency by because I will argue with Fits on

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Speaker 2: this with him is the fact that he's right, and

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Speaker 2: probably Genty is what's clouding this a lot too. It's

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Speaker 2: not just the backfield, but everybody saw what just happened

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Speaker 2: with Genty and are like, man, they're going to see

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Speaker 2: this all over again. But I think that's the real

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Speaker 2: concern is because he was rby seventeen in points per game,

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Speaker 2: and those are running backs that played at least eight games.

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Speaker 2: That's not even like oh one running back snuck in

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Speaker 2: with like a twenty point performance. So you have RB

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Speaker 2: seventeen points per game, RB thirteen overall, five rushing touchdowns

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals offense. I agree with him is the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's not as terrible as people might make it out

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Speaker 2: to be, but it's still a team that only ran

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Speaker 2: for nine touchdowns last year. The Raiders were only ran

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Speaker 2: for five. Genty had all of them. So I just

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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of issues where you just brought up.

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Speaker 2: The other part that I was going to loop in

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Speaker 2: there is that are all nine touchdowns going to go

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Speaker 2: And the second part of it is I just feel

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Speaker 2: like the Cardinals hopefully I say this hurts for fantasy,

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Speaker 2: but I'm hoping they're smart and they don't destroy Jeremiah

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Speaker 2: Love his rookie season because they aren't contenders and they're

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Speaker 2: looking forward to similar what we're hearing from Aaron Glenmoth,

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Speaker 2: Breese Hole and the full Backload committee is because they're

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Speaker 2: looking forward like you're not contending this year, don't destroy

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Speaker 2: your best asset in his first season, similar to the

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Speaker 2: Giants was Saquon Barkley. So I understand everything that Pat

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Speaker 2: is saying. And talent aside, like Jeremiah Love is top

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Speaker 2: ten talent likely as soon as he steps into the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But I just think with all those scenarios, I think

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Speaker 2: thirteen is fair. I'm not gonna put him down at seventeen,

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Speaker 2: but I think his twelve thirteen ranges I'm probably going

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Speaker 2: to keep him there myself. So I'm not quite as

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Speaker 2: high on to start things out.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about another running back, because early

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Speaker 1: Pat. You know a lot of these players when they

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's totally fair. The football phrase business

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Speaker 3: decisions does not apply to camp Scatter. He is not

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Speaker 3: I think Skataboo is a reasonable value. ECRs got him

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Speaker 3: think that's totally fair. The leap of faith is with

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Speaker 1: And he's a rhythm value guy, Pat too, Like he's

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Speaker 1: Not every back is like that. Cam'scada was one of

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Speaker 1: those guys. All right, let's move on to the next

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Speaker 1: guy on your list here, Pat, because yesterday we did

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Speaker 1: it out Tailgate NFL or a YouTube channel where we

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Speaker 1: did our little bold prediction. We talked about Brendon Soorsby.

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Speaker 1: We had a great show, lots of fun Andrews said

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Speaker 1: Let's just go chill out the show pretty much pretty much.

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Speaker 1: But one of my bold predictions was Colson Loveland not

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Speaker 1: only leads the Bears in all receiving yards and receiving

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Speaker 1: it looks like you're starting to see that same thing

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Speaker 3: What a perfect lead in because that fits nicely the

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Speaker 3: now we're seeing Brock Bauers and Trey McBride go mid

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Speaker 3: actually be pretty close to McBride and Bowers. Well maybe

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Speaker 4: Higher for Redraft this year, and that sort of it.

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Speaker 3: could conceivably be the number one target on their own

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Speaker 3: And we kind of saw it with Loveland down the

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Speaker 1: The thing I look about Loveland more than the other two,

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Speaker 1: think craft you can make a great argument for being

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Speaker 1: I feel like he's got the of all of those guys,

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Speaker 2: That's my argument, and you're not wrong. And if anybody

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Speaker 2: that saw I think we did a show last week

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Speaker 2: out Loveland as the number one. But I think that's

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Speaker 2: is I didn't even.

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Speaker 1: Need all those spreadsheets. I just knew. I just knew.

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Speaker 2: Miss Fancy, he knew after I told you that last

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Speaker 1: No, I was said the same thing where I said it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, it's funny you say that, Joe,

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Speaker 1: because I've done seventy four hours of map comes to

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Speaker 4: You got it wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's seventy four hours of manipulating the math. So there

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Speaker 2: you go. That's ah, this is my personal touch. The difference,

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to do more on a per

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I mean nitpicking these differences here, so I

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Speaker 2: have no problem with love them being the conversation at

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Speaker 2: saving something for later, because I actually think there are

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Speaker 2: for later. But Loveland's in play here. The biggest concern is, like,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to feel like a broken record at this point, Joe,

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Speaker 2: because we've done it on so many shows. Is the

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Speaker 2: fact that let's remember we're talking about it, You're talking

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Speaker 2: and be like, oh, I gotta get love. And if

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Speaker 2: you kind of blew up any chance of getting what

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Speaker 1: That is fair. That is fair, All right, Jake, Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about one more early round value guy. Jayden Daniels,

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Speaker 1: brilliant rookie season Rookie of the year, you know, breaking

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Speaker 1: the wheel there at QB, rushing, rushing for touchdowns, giving

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Speaker 1: Year two, obviously marred by injury, went from quarterback five

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Speaker 1: a little bit shorter than they should be. It's not

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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden you're looking at a

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Speaker 2: It feels like, which is kind of weird to me, Like,

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Speaker 2: I get the injury risk, but we've played the injury

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Speaker 2: risk game with Lamar Jackson and other running quarterbacks. But

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Speaker 2: The fact he was twenty point six Fantasy points per

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Speaker 1: He's QB five.

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Speaker 2: By the way, twenty point six last year would have

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Speaker 2: which sounds like they're keeping him in check to a degree,

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Speaker 2: but they kind of are in that facet. But with

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Speaker 2: David blow taking over, you're also going to get all

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Speaker 2: the mix of what worked with Kingsbury. But oh, by

435
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Speaker 2: the way, let's use some more eleven personnel, Let's use

436
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Speaker 2: some more shotgun pre snap motion, all these things that

437
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Speaker 2: work in the NFL that have been proven for the

438
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Speaker 2: past couple of years. There's a reason why some of

439
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Speaker 2: these guys have now head coaching jobs, like in New

440
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Speaker 2: Orleans and with the Raiders and all this type of

441
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Speaker 2: stuff because they're using all these concepts that Bloo looks

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Speaker 2: to be implementing for the Commanders to maximize Jenden Daniels

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Speaker 2: in this offense. The biggest question obviously is maximizing the

444
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Speaker 2: passing game with potentially Antonio Williams as your number two.

445
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Speaker 2: Still room for that to change, but even so, we

446
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Speaker 2: only need mid three thousand yards, we only need mid

447
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Speaker 2: twenty touchdowns. And if he runs and stays healthy another

448
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Speaker 2: big question mark. Maybe that'll be theme of my guys,

449
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Speaker 2: just stay healthy. It's the fact that he still has

450
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Speaker 2: top five upside. I would take him as the fifth

451
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Speaker 2: quarterback off the board because there's still the potential that

452
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Speaker 2: what we were doing this time last year, Joe and

453
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Speaker 2: I say we as in everybody it was oh, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you know, Jalen Hurts was still in the

455
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Speaker 2: conversation at that point. But everybody's like, who's the potential

456
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Speaker 2: that gets the number one spot? And everybody's like, oh,

457
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Speaker 2: Jaden and Daniels could do it if he builds off

458
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Speaker 2: his rookie season and now nobody wants him. I just

459
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Speaker 2: don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Fitcy, where are you at with Jadan Daniels going into

461
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Speaker 1: this year, do you see him as a value or

462
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Speaker 1: because quarterback is deep, you're just saying, yeah, I recognize

463
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Speaker 1: what he could be, which is a top five guy.

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Speaker 1: But this quarterback group in single QB leagues is deep

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Speaker 1: enough where I don't even need to chase it necessarily.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm probably going to be doing my shopping

467
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Speaker 3: in that sort of mid tier quarterback, the low end

468
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Speaker 3: QB one group, like with a guy I'm going to

469
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Speaker 3: talk about next. But I do have Jade Daniels ranked

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Speaker 3: QB four ahead of Joe Burrow, and I know Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrow is ahead of Jade Daniels, and it's all about

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Speaker 3: the running, Jake, where do you have Daniels? How do

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Speaker 3: you have him ranked VSA V Burrow and Drake May.

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Speaker 2: So it's funny that I have Drake Man in front

475
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Speaker 2: of him, and then my brain I said it where

476
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Speaker 2: I said take them five, I meant to say top five.

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Speaker 2: I actually have them at four, have Burrow at five.

478
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Speaker 2: So I go, Alan May, Jackson, Daniels, Burrow are my

479
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Speaker 2: top five?

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Speaker 4: Oh you maynhead of Jackson?

481
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Speaker 3: Okay, I switched those two, but otherwise our top five

482
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Speaker 3: I switched.

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Speaker 2: Those when aj Brown or got traded to them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I do think the commanders at

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Speaker 3: some point they're going to bring in someone, whether it's

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Speaker 3: Ayuk or maybe they bring Maryland. I don't yeah, the

488
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Speaker 3: Maryland guy bringing back to the region.

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Speaker 1: Everyone says Digs. I keep saying Keenan Allen. I want somebody.

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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen had a pretty good season last year and

491
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Speaker 1: then like you know, wear and Terror of the Year

492
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Speaker 1: kind of caught up with him. I want somebody's a

493
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Speaker 1: little bit more right I get in out of the

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Speaker 1: locker room than Stefan Diggs.

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Speaker 2: If I'm the commander there, I guess what you're saying

496
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent there, Like I wonder just who has

497
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Speaker 2: more left between Dicks and Allen would be my only

498
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Speaker 2: concern because you already.

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Speaker 1: Have more left, but he also has more left in

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Speaker 1: terms of things that can go crazy.

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Speaker 4: Both Samuel out there to.

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Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs is an experience. No, no, no, I don't

503
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Speaker 1: think that's yeah, And that's the same point I by Yuke,

504
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Speaker 1: I think got you. I put in the same bucket

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Speaker 1: with Diggs, which is just like it feels like a

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Speaker 1: lot give me Keaton Allen, who I know is gonna

507
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Speaker 1: be solid in the locker room. I know, is you know,

508
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Speaker 1: gonna be a good person for a young quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Can we get is Tyreek Dunn like or is he

510
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Speaker 2: gonna like like.

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Speaker 1: He's in the same bucket with the other guys. The

512
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Speaker 1: problem children, like you know, is that I don't know

513
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Speaker 1: how much you want to deal with that stuff right now,

514
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Speaker 1: especially after coming off the year you are where everything

515
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Speaker 1: was a disappointment for the Commanders last year. Erck'son again.

516
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Andrew twice in the show. He's not

517
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Speaker 1: even on it. But he brought up an interesting point,

518
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Speaker 1: which was another one of his bold predictions, was about

519
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Speaker 1: that Aaron Glenn is not the first guy fired, that

520
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Speaker 1: it might be Dan Quinn this year. And you look

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Speaker 1: at the schedule of the Commanders, man the first six

522
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Speaker 1: games are rough and they got an early buy too,

523
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Speaker 1: Like it is a rough start, and I don't I

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Speaker 1: think think when's a good football coach, So I don't

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Speaker 1: want I.

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Speaker 2: Was seeing what the latest news on Tyrik Hill is.

527
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Speaker 2: There's two things actually within the last twenty four hours.

528
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Speaker 2: Is that he's hanging out in Kansas City, which is

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Speaker 2: made people raise their eyebrows.

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Speaker 1: Not shocking.

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Speaker 2: And then there's an article that says the Commanders should

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Speaker 2: take the risk on Tyrak Hill. Those are legit two

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Speaker 2: things in the past twenty four Did you write one

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Speaker 2: of those two things? I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're fantasy. We don't write those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: Like I just I just went I just went online.

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Speaker 1: It looked. It turns out there's this fascinating article in

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Speaker 1: the Athletic that somebody astutely pointing out something and it

540
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Speaker 1: turns out Jake wrote it. You know, it's just the worst.

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Speaker 3: While we're touting the Athletic, I'll just mention that, like

542
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Speaker 3: they could use more fire about power Because on the

543
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Speaker 3: Athletic Football Podcast with Robert Mays and his crew, they

544
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Speaker 3: were ranking the offensive weaponry around each quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I was in chicagra Well doing that.

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Speaker 3: The Commanders sixteen sixteen sixteen NFC TAM.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We actually before they went on the show, I

548
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Speaker 2: was having a debate with the producer of whether the

549
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Speaker 2: Commanders or the pan were going to be the bottom

550
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Speaker 2: team because it was talent. Take the quarterback completely out

551
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Speaker 2: of the conversation, just pure talent who has one through sixteen,

552
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Speaker 2: and if you're looking at it without the quarterback, it's

553
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Speaker 2: like pretty much McMillan and question marks and then McLaurin

554
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Speaker 2: and a big question. So yeah, commanders re laxed, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, everybody, Before we move to the mid round talent,

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Speaker 1: sure that when you're ready, you're going to make the

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Speaker 1: right pick every single time. All right, Next up here

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Speaker 1: the mid round, guys, So pat, let's start with yours here.

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Speaker 1: You got the actually, you know what, let's do both

570
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Speaker 1: of yours because they're kind of tied to each other.

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguar guys, Trevor Lawrence, Parker Washington. Now, some people

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Speaker 1: who might nameless on this program here on this channel

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Speaker 1: have said that Trevor Lawrence could be MVP this year.

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Speaker 1: I'm not that person. I don't think anybody here is.

575
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Speaker 1: But one of our colleagues has already said that, go

576
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Speaker 1: find out who on the Tailcate Show. But Trevor Lawrence

577
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Speaker 1: obviously finished the year very strong in this offense. You're

578
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Speaker 1: taking Travis Chan out of this offense. So now the

579
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Speaker 1: run game, I think it's a little bit more suspect

580
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Speaker 1: than it was heading into last year, which I think

581
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Speaker 1: was a very key point of success for that Jaguars

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Speaker 1: offense and Trevor Lawrence as well. And then you had

583
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Speaker 1: the late season surge of Parker Washington, and I feel

584
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Speaker 1: like I'm landing where you are, FITZI, where you know,

585
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Speaker 1: people are trying to rehash Brian Thomas a little bit.

586
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Speaker 1: People are trying to say, well, Jacoby Myers is, you know,

587
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Speaker 1: the more veteran presence talent. But I feel like they

588
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Speaker 1: kind of just showed you their hand last year, and

589
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Speaker 1: we just don't want to believe it because it's not

590
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Speaker 1: the guy that we want it to be. But it

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Speaker 1: feels like it might just be Parker Washington after all.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about these two Jaguars and why you

593
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Speaker 1: think both of them are potential big values this year.

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Speaker 3: I think part of it is I now want to

595
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Speaker 3: put Liam Cohen in the same class of offensive schemers

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Speaker 3: with Sean mcvaigh and Kyle Shanahan, Like I think he

597
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Speaker 3: belongs there.

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Speaker 1: Where you just that's a big class there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And those guys mcveah and Shanahan have kind of

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Speaker 3: been cheat codes for quarterback efficiency in recent years, and

601
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Speaker 3: we've seen that with Rock Party. I mean, my goodness,

602
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Speaker 3: the former mister irrelevant in the NFL draft, and look

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Speaker 3: what he's become. Trevor Lawrence early on last year, while

604
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Speaker 3: he was trying to digest the Liam Cohen offense, kind

605
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Speaker 3: of stunk in the early weeks of the season. But

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Speaker 3: then over Yeah, so over his first ten games, two

607
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen passing yards a game, one point one

608
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Speaker 3: touchdown passes, six point four yards per attempt, which is,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Bryce Young zone. But over his last

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Speaker 3: seven regular season games, two hundred and sixty five passing

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Speaker 3: yards a game, two point six touchdown passes a game,

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Speaker 3: eight point four yards per attempt a one oh eight

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Speaker 3: point six passer rating like he just got it. Oh

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Speaker 3: and by the way, he was providing all this rushing

615
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Speaker 3: value nine touchdown runs last year some good yardage too,

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Speaker 3: so by the end of the season he looked like

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Speaker 3: one of the elites at quarterback. And who's to say

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Speaker 3: he can't be that over the full season in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six. But he's got really good pass catching weaponry

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Speaker 3: two with Parker Washington, who I'll get to in a minute, BTJ,

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Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers, Travis Hunter is a wild card, Brenton Strange

622
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Speaker 3: a pretty good pass catching tight end. So yeah, and

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Speaker 3: as you said, Joe, they might not lean on the

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Speaker 3: running game as much now that they don't really have

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Speaker 3: a proven go to guy in the backfield. So I

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Speaker 3: think things are set up pretty well for Lawrence to smash.

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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be my most drafted quarterback in

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Speaker 3: redraft leagues this year because he's going like sort of

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Speaker 3: as a back end QB one and I think he's

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Speaker 3: more like a mid range QB one with high end

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Speaker 3: QB one upside.

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Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna call tell me right now,

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Speaker 1: Cake Seely, which is just by Trevor Lawrence. Ignore all

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Speaker 1: the icing. I know, I know the drill. It's only June.

635
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Speaker 1: I've already been trained hers. I know. Well. I like

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Speaker 1: to think that I'm partially responsible for that shirt.

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Speaker 2: You said the candles and I did, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I like to think that when I see you

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Speaker 1: in a couple of months at Flex in New York,

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Speaker 1: that you're going to hand me an extra large version

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Speaker 1: of that shirt so I can wear it. That's what

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Speaker 1: I would very much like extra large. Lock Now, man

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Speaker 1: to swoo bro, I get no sense in man, But

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Let's let's talk about just damn.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I just you know, whatever, just is

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Speaker 1: what it is at this point. So talk to me

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Speaker 1: about Parker Washington, because I already know your feelings are

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Speaker 1: about terror, Lawrence, and I think the Washington one is

649
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: the This is the game. I feel like every fantasy

650
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: analyst is going to be playing from now until Labor Day.

651
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Which is Here's why I'm the smartest person in the

652
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: room about the Jaguars Wide Receiver room. And I'm just curious,

653
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: if you've got to, you know, put your money on

654
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: one of these horses, which one he put it on?

655
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, no, I was gonna yeah, I I already

656
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: know you are, FITZI, yeah, exactly, And I followed Joe

657
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: is that he was high and he's telling me in

658
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: Parker Washington. He's coming back around to you on Parker

659
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: Washington fits. I caught it. I caught it, So we're

660
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: on the same page. The Trevor Lawrence, you know what,

661
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: the MVP thing. I don't think it's absurd. I wouldn't

662
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: bet on it, but I mean, he was on pace

663
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: that second half of the season to be Baker Mayfield

664
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four with more rushing and rushing touchdowns.

665
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: So if you got fifty combined touchdowns and forty five

666
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 2: hundred yards plus the rushing, like I could see it.

667
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: But that's a lot to ask, Like do you really

668
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: think Trevor Lawrence can sustain that over seventeen games, Which

669
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: is a big question. But I wanted to bring that up, Joe,

670
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: because that's part of the Parker Washington thing. I do

671
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: have Parker Washington ahead of the other two. I know

672
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: they're talking about Brian Thomas Junior being healthy, which I

673
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: want to pull my football back up. It's hidden back here.

674
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: My Brian Thomas junior side of football is so excited

675
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: when he was a rookie. But the problem is is

676
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: they're also talking about connecting d connecting deep connect No,

677
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: I don't want Brian Thomas only running twenty yards downfield.

678
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: That's what killed them at the end of last year

679
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: because of the hit rate of catching those. And then

680
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: the opportunities for Trevor Lawrence is he's not even looking

681
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: there because he's already made his first read to Parker

682
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: Washington or his second read the Jacoby Myers, and then hell,

683
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 2: Brenton Strange gets mixed in there, and then Brian Thomas

684
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: is out there with a thirteen percent target share, Like

685
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to see that. Hopefully that Brian Thomas

686
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: is healthy and it comes around. But that's where I

687
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: come to it is right now I have Parker Washington,

688
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 2: They're they're tightly grouped together. But I'm also okay with

689
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: taking the cheapest one. But let's take it full circle

690
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: and go back. What if Trevor Lawrence throws for forty

691
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: four hundred and forty five hundred yards and thirty five touchdowns.

692
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: Guess what all three are benefiting, So it's okay, and

693
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: then you just kind of take the cheapest one anyway.

694
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: So, FITZI, I know your guys Parker Washington, because I

695
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: already started off the segment where we said we tied

696
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: these guys together. I want you to make your case

697
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: for Parker Washington. Now that Jake kind of like took

698
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: his little Trevor Lawrence sidebar and all the other stuff

699
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: that he's done. There is Parker Washington. You know. I

700
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: think the guy that people just push aside because they

701
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: don't want it to be him and they wanted to

702
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: be somebody else. And where are you at here with this?

703
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: Because I can't think of another reason why it's not

704
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: Parker Washington except for that fact.

705
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's people cling to draft capital Joe and BTJ

706
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: is the former first rounder and Parker Washington is the

707
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: former sixth rounder. But Parker Washington last year, if you

708
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: include the playoff game, he had almost one thousand yards

709
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: nine hundred and fifty four and down the stretch man.

710
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: Final four games of the season for the Jaguars, including

711
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: that playoff lost to the Bills, averaged six point five

712
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: catches and one hundred and thirteen point five yards per

713
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: game with three touchdowns in those four games. And Parker

714
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: Washington is just good man, not that big a guy,

715
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: but he was actually, like I want to say, fourth

716
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: in contested catches among wide receivers last year. Like, this

717
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: guy is just good And I feel like Trevor Washington

718
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: or Trevor Trevor Wah, Trevor Lawrence.

719
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 1: That's their relationship name. It's like benfit Trevor Lawrence. I

720
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: like that.

721
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: It seems like Trevor Lawrence tends to favor his slot

722
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: receivers and tight ends more so than his outside receivers.

723
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: And although Parker Washington and Jacoby Myers are sort of

724
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: interchangeable on the slot, Parker Washington did play about half

725
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: his snaps in the slot last year. So I just

726
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: think he's set up really well. And right now he's

727
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: got I think a mid to late eighth round ECR

728
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: that seems like a steal.

729
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: What do you like better? Do you like Trevor Washington

730
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: or Parker Lawrence? Oh?

731
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: You hate my smashups? Come on, dude, I do, I do.

732
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: But when you guys do it Parker Parker Lawrence sounds

733
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: a little more because you make him into something that's untenable.

734
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: It's like you make it into Park Washington, Lauren.

735
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: I don't. It's first lame last name.

736
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: Yes you do.

737
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

738
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 5: Don't.

739
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: Look at the article.

740
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: It's first lame, last name swapped. I don't mix them together.

741
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: Nice try, Joe doesn't.

742
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Really I'd rather not. All right, let's go to Jake's

743
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: guys here. We got to the Jaguars out of the way.

744
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about two rookies here on Jake's list, first

745
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Genarium Price and then Jordan Tyson. So let's start with

746
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Geniumgeri and Tyson, the jendarian Tyson as you'd like to

747
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: call him. So Price obviously another guy with first round

748
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: draft capital, albeit at the very end of the first round,

749
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: certainly a pathway to a lot of playing time. Do

750
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: you feel like this is a value now that is

751
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: going to pass by at some point as people continue

752
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: to look at that roster, that team, the identity of

753
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: that team and the missing pieces from that running back room.

754
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Or do you think it's actually gonna hold as we

755
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: get closer and closer to draft season on Price.

756
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's good to Hodor Man, it's gonna hold,

757
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: and I think that. Yeah. The problem is is, like

758
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't think people are understanding that even if the

759
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: split stays, is what has Kenneth Walker done? Like last

760
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: year was actually a disappointment for Kenneth Walker over his

761
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: first three seasons, especially if you look at it from

762
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, two twenty eight

763
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: and two nineteen rushing attempts on the ground, twenty seven

764
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: to twenty nine receptions. He's not a big receiver for

765
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: the Seahawks offense. Twelve point six fantasy points per game,

766
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: twelve point nine fantasy points per game. The biggest thing

767
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: that really hit him hard last year was all of

768
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: a sudden, zach Scharbona became the goal line rusher. And

769
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: that's where the real downturn came from. Is because you

770
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: look at Kenneth Walker in that seven eight nine rushing

771
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: touchdown range and it dropped off precipitously and it was

772
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: like charbon Ay at twelve and Sharbone's probably not playing

773
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: this year, maybe shows up in December, but it's Price

774
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: and Emmanuel Wilson, and Emmanuel Wilson's a nice complimentary backup piece.

775
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: He's not the lead that Price can be. And I

776
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: say all that to say is I'm leaning into this

777
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: role kind of still staying the same because Price isn't

778
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: a big pass catcher, but he is raheem Mostert style.

779
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: He has a stretch zone which works really well here

780
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: and can just hit those gaps and bust through, especially

781
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: getting those goal line touches. So even if he gets

782
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty two hundred and thirty touches and

783
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: only a handful of receptions in the twenty department, if

784
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: he's going to be scoring those touchdowns that are still available,

785
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you combine the two of them Charbonne and

786
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: Walker from last year, you're talking, you're pushing almost twenty

787
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 2: touchdowns on the rushing department. I don't think he's gonna

788
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: get those. But if he got nine ten, I mean

789
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: he's going to finish close to the top fifteen running back,

790
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: if not push the back end of the RB one tier.

791
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't spend that and I wouldn't call for that,

792
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: And I think that's why he should hold and stay

793
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: right here as a mid low RB two, which is

794
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: actually really nice value for what he can bring with

795
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: with there's still plenty of ceiling for it to actually

796
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: return your investment.

797
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: All right, Pretty good argument. There. What about you, Fizzy,

798
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: do you think the price is going to stay the

799
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: same for Price going into this year.

800
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be real sensitive to what

801
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: the reports are coming up out of training.

802
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: CAMPI yeah, I could see that too.

803
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

804
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: So I mean, if everything is glowing and there's a

805
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 3: nice drum beat, I could see him moving way up.

806
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: If it's kind of vague in their reports, oh, it

807
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: might be as much Emmanuel Wilson as jad Aaron Price.

808
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: I could see the price being a little depressed on

809
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: Price once we get to mid to late August when

810
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: we have the bulk of our drafts.

811
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: So I don't really know.

812
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: I think Jake and I've talked about him on a

813
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: lot of shows, and I think the best case for

814
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: him is that it does seem like Jenarian Price is

815
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: perfectly suited to the outside zone stuff that Seattle likes

816
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: to run, and reportedly it's gonna be a lot of

817
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: basically the same running scheme as it was last year

818
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: under Clint Kubiak.

819
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 4: I just I don't know what the true talent is.

820
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: On Jenarian Price, because we basically got him as a

821
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: college backup behind Jeremiah Lovett Notre Dame and I don't

822
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: know about sharbon Ay. All of a sudden, we're getting

823
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: some and I know to fade injury optimism, but we're

824
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: getting some pretty rosy reports about when sharbon A could

825
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: come back. I mean there's even someone suggested week one,

826
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: which just seems preposterous. Yeah, so yeah, I'm I'm fading

827
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: that talk. But I do worry that maybe sharbon Ay

828
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: comes back near the end of the regular season and

829
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: kneecap Shdian Price a little in the most important weeks

830
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: of the fantasy.

831
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: Switch you did there, that's the biggest fear.

832
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Jordan Tyson because obviously this

833
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: is a player with enormous talent. He flashed out of

834
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: the college level and now it's a matter of converting

835
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: it over to the NFL. And look, the Saints are

836
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: a team that I'm picking to win that division. I

837
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: think they're the one this year that kind of surprises

838
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: people and comes out of nowhere, and like this year's

839
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: version of the Patriots. I don't think they get to

840
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: the super Bowl necessarily, but I think they make the

841
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: playoffs and I think they actually have a good chance

842
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: to win that division. I think large a part because

843
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: of solidifying that run game a little bit. If you

844
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: have a lave and then you can add in a

845
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: guy like Jordan Tyson, that gives Tyler Schuck a lot

846
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: of weapons to work with. Jake.

847
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does. And I think that Tyson's actually

848
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: a really good compliment around alongside a Lave for what

849
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: they can do in this offense. Tyson I brought this

850
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: up before. I don't remember if I was on this show,

851
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: but a lot of like some of the Garrett Wilson

852
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: similarities and also the Garrett Wilson SIMILARI is actually in

853
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: the negative department coming out of college where they kind of,

854
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: like Garrett Wilson, started to get a lot better than

855
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: recent the past two years. But Tyson is the same

856
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: thing when Wilson came out, as they kind of like

857
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: get messy in their routs. They kind of just kind

858
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: of get squirrely out there because they are so talented

859
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: that they're not very precise and they still try to

860
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: find these gaps, which you know, you add that precision level.

861
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: I always bring up Marquise Lee from way back in

862
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: the day, and Markuise Lee like took so much time

863
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL to hit because he just took it lazy,

864
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: And I don't think Tyson's taking it lazy. I'm just

865
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: saying that that's that same kind of the talent is

866
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: so good that they're not really precise. But all that

867
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: being said, if you threw Garrett Wilson alongside Chrystal Lobby

868
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: in this offense, and I think that's the upside of

869
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: Tyson here is the excitement comes from Ken Shook. Just

870
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: do what he did the second half of last year

871
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: and take it ten percent better, even maybe twenty percent better.

872
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: Twenty percent better, I mean, and this offense starts passing

873
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: more of like a fifty five sixty percent or fifty

874
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: five to fifty six percent of the time versus like

875
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: almost a fifty to fifty split. I mean, you can

876
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: say Shook passing for close to four thousand yards thirty touchdowns,

877
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: and if so, it's going to benefit not just a

878
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: lave repeating last year, but that set an option that

879
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: they haven't had for the past couple of seasons. And

880
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: why they traded for Devon lee Vale last year and

881
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: tried to make him a thing is that Tyson could

882
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: put up one thousand yards and six seven touchdowns, probably

883
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: leaning more on the reception reliance than a lave, But

884
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean he could be a top twenty five receiver.

885
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: And that's why again this whole theme team theme today

886
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 2: being what's the upside potential here? Who if somebody's pretty

887
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: much been drafted as the second or sometimes even third

888
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: rookie wide receiver. As a wide receiver three fitz, he.

889
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Talked to me about Jordan Tyson because I know the

890
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: knock on him as the injuries, but I was coming

891
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: back to the same point. Yes, he did have some injuries,

892
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: one of which was the collarbone that he reinjured, so

893
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe just never healed right the first time. So I

894
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: just I think that's a little overrated. To me. I

895
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: always like when rookies land out situations like this where

896
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: they don't have to be the guy right out of

897
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: the bat. I think you will get to make a BUKA.

898
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: Last year in the first six weeks when Mike Evans

899
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: was healthy and Baker Mayfield was healthy, how good he was.

900
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: To me, That's the key a lot of times for

901
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: success of the young wide receivers. That's why I like

902
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: McKayle Lemons so much, and that's why Tate I think,

903
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: although I think he might be the best one of

904
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: the three. It's a little concerning situation for me because

905
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: there's kind of that need for him to be the

906
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: alpha out of the gate. But I don't see that

907
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: being the case necessarily for Tyson. Do you see that

908
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: to be a potential pathway for him to have early

909
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: success this year?

910
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem like it's a really nice spot.

911
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: Like you said, Joe, he wanted the Carnel Tait pressure

912
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: of being the number one guy, and maybe Carnell Tait

913
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: as a result, see some of the top corners on

914
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: each team he faces every week, whereas Tyson might not

915
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 3: get that. Tyson gets to be a complimentary guy. He's

916
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: got another good guy alongside him with a lobby. He's

917
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: got a terrific play caller, and Kellen Moore, a respected

918
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 3: blay caller who also likes to go at a fast

919
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: paced which doesn't hurt because that sneaks and a few

920
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: extra plays every week. I think it is a really

921
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: nice setup. I like him a lot. I don't worry

922
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: about injuries like the collarbone thing. There are some reports

923
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: about his hamstring that are a little troubling that will

924
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: have to monitor.

925
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: But if he's full.

926
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: Go in training camp. Yeah, I totally buy Jake's upside

927
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: case for him.

928
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on here, boys, to the late

929
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: round guys, the guys that could really pop and win

930
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: you a league in terms of their value and return

931
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: on investment. We see it happen every year off the

932
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: waiver wire, but we also see it in late rounds

933
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: and maybe there's some guys out there we can even

934
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: wait for the waiver wire. We just draft them with

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Speaker 1: some of the late round guys here, Pat, Let's start

967
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: with you on this one here, Xavier Worthy. I know

968
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: expectations were high for the big, splashy, explosive plays, but

969
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: everything just kind of fell apart for the Chiefs last

970
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: year and then eventually the health of Patrick Holmes was

971
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: that death Now of that offense, Rushie Rice, host of problems.

972
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: We know that can Xavier Worthy somehow carve out enough

973
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: of a role here in twenty twenty six to be

974
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: a fantasy difference maker.

975
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: I think he could be a difference maker if Rice

976
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: were to miss any time. And we know Rice has

977
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: not been the most durable fellow in recent years, and

978
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: he is coming off this knee injury, and I think

979
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: Worthy could be at least flex caliber even with Rice playing.

980
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: And right now, worthys ECR is one hundred and twenty

981
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: third overall, so he's going outside the first ten rounds.

982
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: Like we already saw half of an excellent season from

983
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: Worthy in his rookie year, and granted there was no

984
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: Rishi Rice around for that, but over a ten game

985
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: stretch from Week eleven of twenty twenty four through the

986
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, and I'm going to leave out the Chiefs

987
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: regular season finale that year because they rested their starters.

988
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 3: Worth he played one snap, but over the ten game

989
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 3: stretch sides week eighteen were the averaged five point eight catches,

990
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: sixty seven point nine receiving yards a game, and had

991
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: six touchdowns, So he was basically producing at an eleven

992
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yard pace ten touchdown pace over that stretch.

993
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: Then last year, he collides with Travis Kelcey the friendly

994
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: Fire in the season opener against the Chargers, dislocates his shoulder.

995
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: Only missed a couple of games, but like some people

996
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 3: have suggested, he just wasn't right for the whole season,

997
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 3: And I kind.

998
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: Of buy that.

999
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: It's a small dude trying to play with a busted

1000
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: up shoulder, So I just think he's getting sort of

1001
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: punished for the season he had last year when we've

1002
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: already seen like the best of Xavier Worthy or at

1003
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: least you know, the best of it for half his

1004
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: rookie season, and it looked really good. So man, for

1005
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: that kind of price, I think he's kind of a

1006
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: sneaky value.

1007
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Jake, were your thoughts on xavior Worthy. We know he

1008
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: has the explosive playmaking ability, but in terms of like

1009
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: the steady target presence or you know, being able to

1010
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: divert some of that big playability into fantasy points, it's

1011
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: been a little non existent I think to start his career.

1012
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even if it hits, I'm actually okay with

1013
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: it because the value is so depressed. I don't off

1014
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: part of that is disappointment he's turning into a post

1015
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: type sleeper. If part of it to Patrick Mahomes injury

1016
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: question mark this team as a whole, But I really

1017
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: think it comes down to I'm with fits on this

1018
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: one worthy of the investment because even if it's inconsistent,

1019
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: let's go back to the best of Hollywood Brown, Like,

1020
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: it's okay if they're a wide receiver. Three is Devonte

1021
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: Smith at times throughout the past two seasons. I'll go

1022
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: back to Deshaun Jackson's the one we always reference, like

1023
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: it's fine that at the end of the year they're

1024
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: a wide receiver thirty or twenty eight and you knew

1025
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: you were getting this roller coaster. But that's okay because

1026
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: their wide receiver three is Xavier Worthy, is not going

1027
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: to be seventeen straight games of consistency, and there's very

1028
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: few wide receivers that can do that anyway. But if

1029
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: you just understand that if he does hit and has

1030
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: that potential and you're along for the ride, you're going

1031
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: to enjoy those big weeks where he's scoring, like the

1032
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: twenty points. You're just gonna have to take those four

1033
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: point weeks on the chin and they're all right.

1034
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: Let's move on to one of your guys, Jake in

1035
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: the late rounds here. Player thats have talked about a

1036
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: lot on this program already. And if you're not gonna

1037
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: go with one of the big time tight ends, and

1038
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them this year, Isaiah Likely does

1039
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: certainly seem like you can make a case for him

1040
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: being heavily involved in this offense. So let's hear your

1041
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: case on Isaiah Likely's path to being potentially a league

1042
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: winner in twenty twenty six.

1043
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: This is what I tey is way earlier when Fitz

1044
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: said that the three that lead their team in targets

1045
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: being Loveland, Bowers, and McBride, I think there's three more

1046
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: that could, including likely, Fannin and Warren, and I would

1047
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: say that those other three have like the odds are

1048
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: in their favor. I think there's a legit chance that

1049
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: all three of those, including likely, could be because we

1050
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: all keep hearing these news about Malik Neighbors and then

1051
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: we see them out playing charity charity games, and it

1052
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: looks like he's walking on a half of a leg.

1053
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: And so whether he is one hundred percent for week one,

1054
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: week four, week six, whatever it might be. Even if

1055
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: Neighbors at some point gets to one hundred percent and

1056
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: at that point is clearly the number one, as he

1057
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 2: should be, likely being the number two is likely. Let's

1058
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: just put it there, like there's a reason Harball brought

1059
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: him in and they've already talked them up and they've

1060
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: already made plays this all season and everything we've heard,

1061
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: and this is the positive time to go back to

1062
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: something else Fit said earlier. It's not just best shape ever,

1063
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: it's not just injury optimism. Everybody's making plays, they're catching

1064
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: versus air, like Andrews says, is like everybody's doing great things.

1065
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 2: But what have we heard from the Giants camp? Likely

1066
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: looks amazing Slayton looks iffy, Malchaia Fields hasn't done anything yet,

1067
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: and just going down the list and the only people

1068
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: they're talking about in the passing game seems to be

1069
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: likely so far. So if you told me he gets

1070
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten, one hundred and twenty, targets one

1071
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty to be amazing, But even like one

1072
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: oh five to one ten and he gets and I'm

1073
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: throwing out this line for a very specific purpose, eighty

1074
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: eight hundred and six. You know what, eighty eight hundred

1075
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: and six gets you at tight end an average of

1076
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: the past ten years of tight end five. So that's

1077
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: the upside for Isaiah likely.

1078
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 1: Pot. I keep hearing a lot of people talk about, well,

1079
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: Harball brought him with it and all that stuff. Hardbo

1080
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: had him for a couple of years, and we didn't

1081
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: see a whole lot of Isaiah, likely necessarily or at

1082
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: least as much as we thought we could have seen.

1083
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: So a lot of Mark Andrews time in and time again,

1084
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: and all that stuff and trying to make that work

1085
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: despite some of his limitations and some of his healthy

1086
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: issues as well. So I get it. I understand he

1087
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: brought him with him but I also remember when they

1088
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: were together in Baltimore and it being frankly a little

1089
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: disappointing and underwhelming. Even when Mark Andrews wasn't available, Isaiah

1090
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: Likely wasn't exactly running away with that job.

1091
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: Right, And you would have hoped he would have smashed

1092
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 3: whenever Andrews was right, and he did have some good games.

1093
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 4: With Andrews out.

1094
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: But I'm a little vexed by that too, Joe, and

1095
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not sure where to put Likely in

1096
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: my rankings. I'm curious, Jake, where do you have him

1097
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 3: in relation to Travis Kelcey and George Kittle?

1098
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: Yea in front of Travis Kelcey, behind George Kittle.

1099
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, yeah, right now, I've got Likely behind

1100
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: both those guys, but I'm not sure if that's the

1101
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: right call. And of course, tight end ten, yeah, I'm

1102
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: ad eleven. The one game, of course, that I can't

1103
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: get out of my mind, and the possibility, like what

1104
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: if we saw this or something like it over a

1105
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: full season is that twenty twenty four season opener against

1106
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: the Chiefs when Isaaa Likely looked like Tony Gonzalez and

1107
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: was just making plays all over the place and almost

1108
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: had another touchdown catch. I think it would have been

1109
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: what his third in that game or second maybe second

1110
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: where he couldn't get the second foot inbounds, like last

1111
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: play of the game for the Ravens to try to

1112
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: win that game. But he was a monster in that game,

1113
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: just an absolute monster. What if we see something like

1114
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: that over a full season? In that case, Yeah, he's

1115
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: way undervalued.

1116
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 5: You know.

1117
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: I actually pulled up the numbers of likely without Mark

1118
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Andrews over the years, and they're not as bad as

1119
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: I maybe wanted to portray. But then I dug a

1120
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: little deeper into the game log of them. I found

1121
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: it on stat muse, which was actually pretty interesting. A

1122
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: bulk of it came in one game where he was

1123
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: eight for thirteen with one to oh three, Like that

1124
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: is a big Like that one to oh three accounts

1125
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: for four you know, out of the four hundred and

1126
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: fifty three total yards and nine games was one game

1127
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: was one oh three. So again, like, I just feel

1128
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: like I'm hopeful. I'm with Jake. I think if you

1129
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: miss out on the tight end runs or they're going

1130
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: too early for you and you don't like the structure

1131
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: of your roster, in that situation at you know, with

1132
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: those those guys early because you miss out on running

1133
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: backs for wide receivers. I think it's an interesting approach,

1134
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: but I definitely don't think it's a lock either. But

1135
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: then again, nobody does. That's why it's a late pick.

1136
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: So I should shut up move on to the next person.

1137
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: So let's do that. Let's move on to Jonathan Brooks,

1138
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: another guy who's getting a ton of hype this offseason.

1139
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: Guys had two ACL tears in the same knee. That

1140
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: always scares me a bit. Fitsy. I know, Jonathan Brooks

1141
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: is becoming a very buzzy player right now, but he's

1142
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: still very cheap. And I do understand Chewba Hubbard's injury

1143
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: last year, plus Chewba Hubbard being a guy that's been okay,

1144
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: not exactly a world beater necessarily, there's certainly a path

1145
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: for Jonathan Brooks to have value in twenty twenty six.

1146
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 4: There is.

1147
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 3: And let's talk about those knee surgeries. And I'll tip

1148
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: my hat to Jeff Mueller Muller. I think it's mueller

1149
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: twitter injury doc sort of, and he has written about

1150
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: this and how maybe the first repair of Brooks's acl

1151
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: was not done particularly well and was a little flimsy,

1152
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: and it sort of took him a long time to

1153
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: recover from that, and then he gets hurt almost right

1154
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: away after coming back. But then they brought in a

1155
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 3: different specialist to do the surgery the second time around.

1156
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: They use something called, I guess, a double bundle technique

1157
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: that is supposed to improve the lateral stability and just

1158
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: make it a stronger overall repair. So it was kind

1159
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: of like not only a repair, but a revision surgery.

1160
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 4: And they're pretty.

1161
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 3: Confident that they've got it right this time, and they

1162
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: gave him an extra long time to recover, held him

1163
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: out the entire twenty twenty five season. Now by the

1164
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: time the season starts, it's going to be like twenty

1165
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 3: months since the last time he played. And I just think,

1166
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: based on what we knew about him as a prospect,

1167
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: what we saw from him at the University of Texas,

1168
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: if we get peaked Jonathan Brooks, not much doubt of

1169
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 3: my mind that that's going to be better than what

1170
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: the peak of Chewba Hubbard is. And Chewba Hubbard is fine,

1171
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 3: and he had that good season in twenty twenty four,

1172
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: but then you know, he got usurped and replaced basically

1173
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: by Rico Dowbell last year average three point eight yards

1174
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: per carry. I just think Cuba's sort of a replacement

1175
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: level NFL back, just sort of an average guy, whereas

1176
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: Brooks could be a lot more than that. And right

1177
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: now I've got chewba I think, one spot ahead of

1178
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: Brooks in my rankings. It's probably only a matter of

1179
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: time before I change that, even if they say Chew

1180
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 3: is going to be the starter to open the season,

1181
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: because I don't think he holds off a healthy Jonathan Brooks.

1182
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: All right, Jake, would you take Jonathan Brooks or would

1183
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: you try to dabble in the Washington backfield because they're

1184
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: not that far apart from each other in terms of

1185
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: expert consensus ranking both.

1186
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: Why not both? I mean, if given the choice, looking

1187
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: at the pedigrees of all of them, I would take

1188
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: Brooks just straight up if I couldn't have everything there

1189
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: that I wanted, because it is Brooks. There's a reason

1190
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: that I was thought so highly coming out of college and

1191
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: he had These injuries are frustrating, but we've seen this before,

1192
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: how Nick Chubb blew up both his knees and it's

1193
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: come back. And I'm not calling him Nick Chubb and

1194
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: necessarily that he's going to get to that level. But

1195
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: I just think the upside of a healthy Brooks, whether

1196
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: or not we even see a cube of one hundred

1197
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: percent or falter in his own right, whichever way it goes,

1198
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: I think there's enough talent with Brooks that he could

1199
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: take over period. If it's the Brooks we used to know,

1200
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: which that's the big question. Go tier you everybody, somebody

1201
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: we used to know.

1202
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: There you go. I knew it was Kevin. All right,

1203
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: let's talk about the last guy on the list here

1204
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: for the first.

1205
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

1206
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for us, having buddy, thanks

1207
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: for hanging out with us. Uh No, we're going to

1208
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: talk about him. We're going to talk about him because

1209
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: the first ten weeks of last year he was QB five.

1210
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: And if you want to take a late QB, why

1211
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: not take a show of Daniel Jones coming off the surgery,

1212
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: because my goodness, it was really good. The Colts were

1213
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: really good. They were leading the AFC at the time,

1214
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: they were the number one seed before the injury all

1215
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of just destroyed everything there. I'd like to see

1216
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more wide receiver help. But then again,

1217
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: Shane Stiken, I think is a good offensive mine. I

1218
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: think if you're talking about maybe even super flex leagues,

1219
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: Jake Daniel Jones is a really intriguing value this year.

1220
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: And that's really what it comes down to, is even

1221
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: as your second quarterback, as your last pick in your draft,

1222
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: the obvious question is the injury. The obvious question was

1223
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: the injury going to affect his running. But the thing

1224
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: is is like, if he is close to one hundred

1225
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: percent running, I never needed and never will ask and

1226
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: never expect Daniel Jones to be a very good passing quarterback.

1227
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: That's just not who he is. And that's okay because

1228
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: he can be good in the short to intermediate part

1229
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: of the game, which Tyler Warren helps, Josh Downs helps.

1230
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: We saw Alec Pierce when he does unleash the deep

1231
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: Bowl of how he could connect on that. And I

1232
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: know Alec Pierce has another dimension to this of whether

1233
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: or not he's going to be one hundred percent for

1234
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: the start of the season. But if everybody is healthy.

1235
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: You brought up the numbers with Daniel Jones, and a

1236
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: lot of it has to do the fact that he's

1237
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: still going to run, not like he did that one

1238
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: season with the Giants with seven hundred and seven, but

1239
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: he offset that by a little bit less running and

1240
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more throwing better in the offense for

1241
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: the Colts than he was with the Giants. So you

1242
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: get that balance. I don't expect top five. I don't

1243
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: even expect top ten, but back end QB one conversation

1244
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: if a lot of things break right. But the thing

1245
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: here is he's free, like you don't need to worry

1246
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: about it. And the biggest part is like this disclaimer

1247
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: for this group was who could score one hundred and

1248
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: fifty points. I know I'm kind of cheating by leading

1249
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: towards the quarterbacks, but the big thing here is that

1250
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: he could score two hundred and fifty points plus and

1251
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: b QB twelve thirteen on the year. So even if

1252
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: you take a gamble at quarterback and you want to

1253
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 2: take a second gamble and a single quarterback, I'm okay

1254
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: with that. Super flex absolutely, this is how you win

1255
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 2: super flex if Daniel Jones for me, and super flex

1256
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: is the perfect look. I went wide receiver healthy, I

1257
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: missed the quarterback run or heavy, and I missed the

1258
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: quarterback run. I have to start taking shots, and I

1259
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: understand that Daniel Jones could blow up your entire season.

1260
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 2: But if he stays healthy and you wait, non quarterback,

1261
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: He's the type of quarterback in super Flex.

1262
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: They end up winning leagues with pretty good argument they're fitsy.

1263
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: Anything to add here with the Daniel Jones.

1264
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: Wing, He was in mid range QB one when the

1265
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: Colts got off to that eight and two start. He

1266
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: wasn't the turnover machine he has been in some years.

1267
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 3: He wasn't taking as many sacks. Maybe he could get

1268
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 3: back to that, but we always know Daniel Jones's value

1269
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 3: is sort of tied to his mobility.

1270
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 4: What sort of mobility does he have?

1271
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: Another storyline to watch closely in the training camp in

1272
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: the preseason.

1273
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, I know you're probably sick of me

1274
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: and Jake, But in case you're not sick of Pathfits

1275
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: Morris and no one can ever be sick of Pat.

1276
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: You can always check out more Pat fitz Morris over

1277
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: in our discord fantasypros dot COM's last chat. He and

1278
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: Worm and Bogman will be doing some fun amas over

1279
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: in their channels right now on every Tuesday, the first

1280
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: Tuesday and third Tuesday of every month, so check that

1281
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: out again on our discord. So the first thing there Yesterdayesday.

1282
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: That's right, I saw the notifications. Join the discord, get

1283
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: the notifications, all that stuff be part of the show.

1284
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: It's a good time. Get your questions answered there, talk

1285
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: to the guys about all your values and clearly show

1286
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: here's the good news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm traveling, so this is the last show in June.

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Speaker 2: You will see me. So there you go. You get

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Speaker 2: your reprieve from seeing Jake for the rest of them month.

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Speaker 1: Thank god, thank God, save travels.

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Speaker 5: Jake.

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Speaker 1: Seely Halfitz Morris, I always love you the most. That'll

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Speaker 1: do it for us. But the story of the game

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Speaker 1: goes on for Jacob Pat I'm Joey P. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Kids.

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