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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants. I'm in our podcast studio presented by Hackensack

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Speaker 1: and Maritine Health. Keep getting better. We continue to refocus

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Speaker 1: in the draft with free agency in the books, and

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Speaker 1: we welcome in friends of the program, Ryan Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: covers the draft for CBS. Ryan, what's going on man?

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Speaker 1: Good to see you again, pal, Hey John, always good

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Speaker 1: to see you.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking it back earlier this morning getting ready

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Speaker 2: for the pod about how we were scurring around before

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Speaker 2: the sunrise and Muggil Alabama at four fifty five am,

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Speaker 2: and it would fast forward and we're thirty something days

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Speaker 2: into the draft. It happens fast. Man. You know we're

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Speaker 2: in the thick of it, and you know it's not

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Speaker 2: all sunshine and rainbows. But in the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: you know, their worst jobs to have for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes, just so fans understand, Ryan is not being over

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Speaker 1: the top here. The sun was not even close to

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Speaker 1: being off like it isn't like this like you would

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Speaker 1: see the sunrise starting. No, it was just nighttime when

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Speaker 1: if you would get to the conventions set there on

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Speaker 1: mobile right on the river, and interviews would start like

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Speaker 1: at five am. It was very very very very early.

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Speaker 1: I think I think I won the Kyle Lewis for

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Speaker 1: you of one of those mornings, right, I think he

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Speaker 1: started with me and and then he bopped over to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it was great because you were the first

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Speaker 2: guy they saw. You were the greeter, like you're the

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Speaker 2: Walmart greet You saw that, you got the first round

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Speaker 2: of players, and then as they worked their way down

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Speaker 2: the the car watch as it was, they warmed up.

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Speaker 2: H Yeah, that's always fun, man. I love doing that.

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Speaker 2: I love talking to the players. I love getting catch

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Speaker 2: up with you. And you know, we caught it. We

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Speaker 2: saw we were next to each other during practices. So

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Speaker 2: those are fun times and just a reminder of you know,

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Speaker 2: I love my job, but also you meet good people

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Speaker 2: and then you get to go through this process together

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Speaker 2: every year. It's like a it's our own version of

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Speaker 2: the draft calendar. Used to be, I would I would

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Speaker 2: market how many mock drafts I was doing, Sammy do

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Speaker 2: one every week and now thankfully they pull back on that.

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Speaker 2: So it's just when they get to see folks out

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Speaker 2: on the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, you better love it. If you're

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Speaker 1: scheduling the uber the night before for like four or

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Speaker 1: four am, and you're sending you along for three thirty am,

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Speaker 1: you better love it. And luckily both of us do.

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Speaker 1: And we're very blessed to be doing what we're doing,

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Speaker 1: all right, so we're kind of a much better feel now. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're going through these exercises right now on

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Speaker 1: on on CBS dot com and you know everything CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports dot com and everything you can do in there

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Speaker 1: with your pod. By the way, before you get started,

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Speaker 1: tell the folks where you can find the pod you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Still working with Ran obviously, what do you have going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? With the first pick wherever you gets your podcast YouTube,

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Speaker 2: it's a push now is as That's how most people

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Speaker 2: consume their stuff, So I would imagine your views and

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Speaker 2: listeners understand that. Yeah, Ran Carton the former Titans GM

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Speaker 2: and he was an evaluator in Atlanta Saint Louis slash

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Speaker 2: LA with the Rams San Francisco, and he is awesome

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Speaker 2: like he you know, is Rick's feeling before him, who

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Speaker 2: was amazing and Ricky I mean, and Ran is just

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Speaker 2: as amazing, just with a different insight. Uh, he's younger

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Speaker 2: than me, so that's a mix up from with Rick.

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Speaker 2: But it's great, man, We do it. We're doing it

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Speaker 2: all the time now because of the season we're in

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Speaker 2: and it's been it's been a ton of fun and

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Speaker 2: I've learned a lot from previously Rick and of course Ran,

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Speaker 2: So you know, if.

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Speaker 1: That's your cup of tea checks out. Yeah, And I've

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Speaker 1: texted back and forth with Ran. We had him on

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Speaker 1: preview in the NFL season back in August. He's going

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Speaker 1: to join us before the draft at some point, so

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Speaker 1: fans can stay tuned for that. Right here on the

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Speaker 1: gihnts that'll play. Yeah, he's what a good dude, and

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Speaker 1: obviously he has connection to the Giants' dad, Maurice obviously

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Speaker 1: gonna be fun having him on. Get that GM perspective,

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Speaker 1: all right, So Ryan, let's start here. What should the

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Speaker 1: Giants kind of be thinking about, in your opinion when

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Speaker 1: they pick five here when it comes to their needs,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to what's going to be available to them,

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Speaker 1: what should twenty thousand foot of view Giant fans be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think and I was talking about Buddy

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Speaker 2: was just saying to him, and I think it pertains

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Speaker 2: think the free agency informed a lot of the media's

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Speaker 2: a lot of movement with a lot of the holes

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Speaker 2: that we thought were going to be filled in the draft,

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Speaker 2: and now you have to sort of read between the

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Speaker 2: for these teams. Do the Jets still do our bell

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Speaker 2: Resa two? You know, they signed a ton of folks

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Speaker 2: remind myself. They brought in Isaiah Likely. I love that idea,

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Speaker 2: along with Theo Johnson. Calvin Austin was sort of the

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Speaker 2: wand Del Robinson replacement at a much cheaper rate.

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Speaker 1: Darnall Mooney too with them at wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney's there, and then they brought back some guys

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Speaker 2: back some guys along the oppositive line, it looks like

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Speaker 2: as well. So so here's the thing like, do you

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Speaker 2: want to think about Carnel take there? Like here, let

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Speaker 2: me ask you this because I'm still working through this,

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Speaker 2: and you let me know what Giants fans are on

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Speaker 2: their minds because you hear hear about it every day.

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Speaker 2: But I talked with Ryan about this yesterday because I'm

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Speaker 2: a huge Carnel tape guy. I think he's a top

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Speaker 2: seriously at six if you're the Browns. But if you're

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Speaker 2: the Giants, you have Malik coming off the ACL. Of

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Speaker 2: course you swar swapping out Wan Dell with Calvin number

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Speaker 1: You know, I've actually used that comp too, so I

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Speaker 1: think we're all on the same page on the Let me.

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Speaker 2: Follow up with this, then, would you take T Higgins

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Speaker 1: Know, I've asked other people that question, and I've good

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Speaker 1: for answers myself. Though It's funny. I've literally had this

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Speaker 2: Said he doesn't think he would take him in the

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Speaker 2: We see this all the time in free agency, where

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Speaker 2: teams overpay for a player they think is going to

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Speaker 2: be that fit. And if T Higgins is that guy,

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Speaker 2: and you have the time machine to do the draft

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Speaker 2: over again, and you take him in the top five

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Speaker 2: and you get the same production, No, okay, this guy

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Speaker 2: hasn't quite done that yet. You take T Higgins over

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior every day of the week. And so

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Speaker 2: I say all that to try to talk myself into

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Speaker 2: is Carnell Tape, We're worth bolstering an offense. You're continuing

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Speaker 2: to build around Jackson Dart if you don't think there

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that, and I love Caleb Downs

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Speaker 2: is more impactful right away than what Carnal might bring

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, and look, Mooney and Austin are

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Speaker 1: both on one year deals. Darius Layton's gonna be through

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Speaker 1: where obviously then you have the option if you want

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Speaker 1: to move on, you can move on. And you're only

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Speaker 1: just staring at Milieu neighbors. I mean, there's no one else,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Isaiah Odgens on a one year deal,

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Speaker 1: so certainly long term wide receivers in need. I guess

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Speaker 1: the question have for you, would you push that knee

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Speaker 1: find the best player. So do you then pivot to

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Speaker 1: a even to Jeremiah Love, do you pivot to a

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Speaker 1: sunny style? Do you pivot to a Caleb Downs The

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Speaker 1: guys that I think both of us probably have a

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, one hundred percent. And that's the math

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Speaker 2: we got to figure out over the next thirty days,

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Speaker 2: all these every thirty two, all of the thirty two teams,

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Speaker 2: and you know, Jeremiah Love. Is that too rich for

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Speaker 2: running back? No, it's not. And that's the answer. And

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Speaker 2: the question comes, well we have camp Scataboo and that

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Speaker 2: the follow up is, well, Camp Scattaboo has a style

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Speaker 2: in which lends himself to getting injured. So I could

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Speaker 2: be all in on that, and sadly, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: you like. Sunny styles would be a fantastic choice. He

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Speaker 2: might end up being a better player than Arviell Rees

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Speaker 2: if Rees is there at five. I just said, you know,

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Speaker 2: we don't necessarily need a edgerusher. I think you take

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Speaker 2: rbll Rees' special. Yeah, I agree with you. And Caleb

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Speaker 2: Downs he plays the position that maybe has been quotation

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Speaker 2: marks undervalued. But again, Durwin James and Kyle Hamilton fell

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Speaker 2: to the middle bottom half of the first round for reasons.

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Speaker 2: Kyle ran four to seven and Darwin just sort of

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Speaker 2: If those guys are there, knowing what you know, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna think about taking him. Caleb isn't that sort of player.

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Speaker 2: My comp for him has been and I ran this

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Speaker 2: spire or my coworker Brian mc fadden, who played for

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Speaker 2: the Steelers two thousand and five to two thousand and

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Speaker 2: nine and then came back into a twenty eleven I believe,

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Speaker 2: I said, Uh, he reminds me a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Troy Paula Molla mess like. No, But Matt Patricia, the

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Speaker 2: that he got some of those vibes from Caleb Downs.

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Speaker 2: So my point is that if that's who he is,

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Speaker 2: and if you get sixty five percent of Troy, he's

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Speaker 2: also worth the top five pick. So maybe the way

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Speaker 2: to look at this is class half full, John, like

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Speaker 2: the world is your oyster, if you're the Giants picking

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Speaker 2: at five, because there's gonna be a really good player

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Speaker 2: and you would imagine it's going to be hard to

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Speaker 2: mess it up.

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Speaker 1: Do you care how Caleb Downs tests when he does

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Speaker 1: is pro day stuff? Or maybe if you doesn't even

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Speaker 1: do it? Do you care about any of that?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I don't, in much the same way I

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Speaker 2: didn't care the Daysil of Boston didn't run at Washington,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think Jonah Coleman ran either at the

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Speaker 2: Washington pro day because his rand points out and it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, honestly, I think the biggest data with

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Speaker 2: it on like the heavy leg at wastepender, which is

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Speaker 2: Now people expect more, and in some sense that's good

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Speaker 1: It is all right, I want to hit a couple

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Speaker 1: little bit deeper into here Ryan, let's start it at

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Speaker 1: going back to your I think it's Top one twenty

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Speaker 1: So one guy that you have a lot higher than

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Speaker 2: don't care about that. I've seen him play. I know

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Speaker 2: but it is reality. Teams are gonna have to consider it.

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Speaker 2: He has short arms thirty one and two eight cents arms,

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Speaker 2: So you know, we'll have the Will Campbell's and the

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Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, but he is still my highest rated defensive

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a great run stuffer. You see how

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's absolutely right, because I remember back in

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Speaker 2: He's pretty young too, I will say this man, and

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Speaker 2: I feel terrible for Caleb Banks because he just can't

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Speaker 2: but that's going to be the concern. Can this young

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Speaker 2: the idea of him going to Kansas City at nine

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I mean he he has that my like

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you on Banks. You know, the health

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Speaker 1: you mentioned him, right, like, does he bring it every play?

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Speaker 1: And I think we just don't know the answer to

432
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,400
Speaker 1: that until he gets to the league.

433
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,480
Speaker 2: That's right, And you know, I always remind myself that

434
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,680
Speaker 2: these guys are twenty one, twenty two, sometimes twenty years old.

435
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,120
Speaker 2: And maybe Caleb Banks was taking plays off for any

436
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,280
Speaker 2: who knows, right, I mean, maybe his girlfriend broga with him.

437
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,399
Speaker 2: Maybe he got a bad, bad score, bad score on

438
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,680
Speaker 2: a test. Maybe he's tired. You know, I was upped

439
00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,119
Speaker 2: all sorts of nonsense in college, and thankfully there was

440
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 2: no Internet and no one cared. More importantly, huddle up,

441
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,280
Speaker 2: get in here.

442
00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,879
Speaker 3: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

443
00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,560
Speaker 3: middle with at the score great.

444
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,119
Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

445
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,399
Speaker 3: I don't know, but Citizen does makes sense of your

446
00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 3: money with Citizens Official Bank of Eli Manning.

447
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,399
Speaker 1: All right, now we get to our next group, and

448
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,560
Speaker 1: you talked about it. It's hard to find three techniques

449
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,280
Speaker 1: in this draft class. Right. It's a bunch of guys

450
00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 1: that I think are much better run stuffers than otherwise

451
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,200
Speaker 1: but I do think there's one in this next group

452
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,840
Speaker 1: that I do see some pass rush upside. And he's

453
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,959
Speaker 1: a guy that you weren't as high on on your

454
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 1: top one twenty five. So I'd like to talk to

455
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 1: talk to you about him, to see what your concerns are.

456
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,159
Speaker 1: I when I rewatched Kristin Miller again, I think it

457
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,199
Speaker 1: was last week, I did my summer scouting on him.

458
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,879
Speaker 1: I liked him coming into the year. I had like

459
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 1: a second or third round grade on him, and I thought,

460
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: he's look, there isn't a developed, really advanced pass rush

461
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: plan there, but I see the athleticism, I see the

462
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 1: get off. He's really good against the run. He could

463
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 1: take on double teams. He holds with the point of attack,

464
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: and I think of this next group, he's the one

465
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 1: guy that I could see really developing a pass rush

466
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 1: game to go along with that run stuffing ability that

467
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,400
Speaker 1: I think gives you a little bit more upside.

468
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,439
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, John, because he's just twenty one.

469
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 2: He'll be twenty two later this summer. But I watched

470
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: him early in the year and I was like, all right,

471
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: why are we talking this guy. I went back and

472
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 2: watched him, Like in December, I was like, Okay, I'm

473
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 2: seeing a little bit more and now I have like

474
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: a mid day two grade on him, so second third

475
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 2: round grade. And I think you have to be able

476
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 2: to sort of read between the lines sometimes with these players,

477
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 2: especially playing when they're younger, and especially playing a position

478
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,199
Speaker 2: where it's not clear what they're being asked to do.

479
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 2: And I know that he has told people that he

480
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,719
Speaker 2: was just doing what Kirby wanted him to do, and

481
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: there's more juice in the tank. I've also talked to

482
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: people that I've expressed that too, that said, yeah, but

483
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: when you get your opportunities, you got to dominate him.

484
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: So there's two sides to that coin. That said, I

485
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,959
Speaker 2: love the way. I love his hand uses. Whenever rewatch him.

486
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: He has a good swim move, good arm over. He's

487
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: powerful at the point of attack. Again, plays with heavy hands,

488
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 2: high motor guy, and that sort of gets to your

489
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 2: point about even when you're not involved in the play,

490
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 2: what are you doing? And that translates sometimes he plays

491
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: a little high and those are the issues I had

492
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 2: earlier in the season, and sometimes he struggles to get

493
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: off blocks. But again, if you have the tools physically,

494
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: and you have the mental makeup and you get the

495
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: right coaching, there's a chance you could be really good.

496
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,719
Speaker 2: And you're talking about him on day two here, we're

497
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: not talking about him as a top five picks. So

498
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: there's opportunity for growth and patients. Perhaps more importantly, because

499
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: a lot of times guys go in the first round,

500
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: we're expecting them to be the best version of themselves

501
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: and that takes some time.

502
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Georgia used them a lot on twist and stunts,

503
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: and not as the picker. They use them as the

504
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: come around guy rights as the looper. And to use

505
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: a three hundred and twenty pound defensive tackle as a looper,

506
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: I think it shows you what they thought of as

507
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: athleticism and his movement skills. So that's the guy I

508
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: like in that next group. And then to me, how

509
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: do you separate kind of the run stuffers from this group?

510
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna throw all these guys into the same bucket.

511
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: You can kind of move them around as you like.

512
00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: Daryl Jackson Florida State, dom Orange, Iowa State Lee Hunter

513
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: down in Texas A and m Right, how do you

514
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: see that kind of group of guys and and how

515
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: do you separate them at and and do you put

516
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: like a Chris McClellan into that group out of Missouri.

517
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a two week guy. I

518
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: see some pass rush juice with him. But how do

519
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: you kind of sort through that kind of run stuffing

520
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: Day two group of defensive tackles?

521
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: That's uh, I'm laughing because here's my here are my

522
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 2: Day two guys, Lee Hunter, Nick barred out of South Carolina,

523
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: and then Daryl Jackson, then Dom Orange, then Kristin Miller,

524
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 2: and then Chris McClellan. So you you just hit all

525
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 2: the like it's like we're reading of the same script.

526
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 2: And uh, that's pretty funny. And I say that as

527
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 2: someone who is not terminally online, so I try to

528
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: insulate myself from from sort of group think. And but

529
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm glad that a look at that. So two old

530
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 2: timers with no hair came to conclusions similar conclusions. But

531
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: you're right, So, uh, the point is that look at

532
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: Lee Hunter again. Another guy had to go back and watch,

533
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: and I have to make myself do that because if

534
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: you watch someone in September, they're gonna be probably a

535
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 2: different player than in late November. And a little older player,

536
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: and I didn't see as much in the past rush

537
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: as I wanted, so I have n't ranked a little

538
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: higher just because he's a little better run. So for

539
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: Darryl Jackson Junior, I'm actually higher on than most folks.

540
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: Rand is not a big fan of Daryl Jackson Junior.

541
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: He didn't test particularly well if I recall correctly.

542
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: He plays a little high too.

543
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: Darl Jamison, he plays a little high, And I've talked

544
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: to Ran about that, said, how do you coach that

545
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: out of someone's who's that size. I think he's six'

546
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: five without, looking but he's enormous and it's just one

547
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: of those. Things and that was something That Caleb banks

548
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: struggle with his. Lebb When cayle gets, low that's a

549
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: rap because he has so much power and, leverage and

550
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: that's just something you have to figure out can you

551
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: coach that out of a. Player Don marnes was another

552
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: guy THAT i thought got better as the season per,

553
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: progressed and their mixed opinions with teams on, him and

554
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: Then chris McClelland was A i do like watching guys

555
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: that weren't on my, radar and Then i'm pleasantly surprised

556
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: by their. Game and That's chris McClellan for, me my

557
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: com for him AS i look at, it he's six

558
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: y four thirty four inch. ARMS i, mean that's just

559
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: that's the guy in the. Building the Lab ali, McNeil

560
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: i've got some of. That, yeah so great hand, usage,

561
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: flashes quick quickness and lateral. Moves he can shoot the

562
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: a ga apps starting against the, run no surprise there

563
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: can sometimes struggle against double. Teams doesn't consistently get his

564
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: hands on the. Quarterback and that's the other. Thing remember

565
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: we used to talk about that last year With Sjamar,

566
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: stewart who's the edge rusher but, enormous got home a,

567
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: lot never got any. Sacks so and part of me

568
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: the glass half. FULL a part of me was, like,

569
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: okay but he's getting. There And ryan would, say, well

570
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: if he's not getting, sacks that's a huge problem because

571
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: you're not taking a guy in the first round who's

572
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: just you, know harassing the quarterback without touching. Him you

573
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: need something more than. That but my biggest knocks On,

574
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: chris AS i look at my notes, here is that

575
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: he was good in one on one, situations but he

576
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: struggled against double, teams which is the end of the

577
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: world just, depends you. Know it's sort of scheme, dependent

578
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: and he just didn't get to the quarterback. Consistently but

579
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: that's a recurring theme with his. Class but the guys you,

580
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: mentioned it's, funny that's sort of the ORDER i like them,

581
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: in and this is just going to be the teams

582
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: how they stack these guys based on what they're trying

583
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: to get at out of these.

584
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: Players i've gone back and forth on On Lee hunter

585
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of. Times, ryan to be honest with, you

586
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: he looks out of shape first and, Foremost like if

587
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: you look at, him it's like if he has gotten

588
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: a little bit better. SHAPE i THINK i do see

589
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: some quickness and juice as a pass, Rusher like he flashes.

590
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: It we saw him flashes at The Senior. Bowl you

591
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: see flashes of it on. Tape but then you saw

592
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: him test at The combine and again he he he

593
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: just doesn't look, like he doesn't look like he's in

594
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: the best shape of the, World and BUT i do

595
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: see potential. There he is really good against the. Run

596
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: so in that, way he's a safe. Player he's a

597
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: guy you can just plug in. There he's gonna be

598
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: really good against the. RUN i just can't decide whether

599
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: or not he can develop a pass rush game or

600
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: he just kind of is what he is in that.

601
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: Regard he's almost twenty, four AND i forgot about. THAT

602
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: i think the vertical was was historically not great.

603
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Twenty, yeah it was like oornches or something like. That

604
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: yet it was.

605
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: Bad, Yeah and, OH i remember looking this up BECAUSE

606
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: i think he weighed three eighteen and the only other

607
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: players at the defensive, line, yeah he weigh three eighteen

608
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: sixty three and a. Half the only players long with

609
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: the line in the last fifteen or twenty years that

610
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: had lower verticals were the big kid out of both

611
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: guys weigh three sixty. One was drafted out Of tennessey

612
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: to The steelers whose NAME i can't remember. Now now

613
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: there was the biggest nose tackle that The alabama had

614
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: in the last fifteen, years whose name also escapes. Me

615
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: BUT i think they were Both day three. Guys but

616
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: my point is, this they outweigh him by forty. Pounds

617
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: and it's funny AS i go through this looking at my,

618
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: notes here stout against the, run which we've established doesn't

619
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: win consistently early in the rep as a pass, rusher

620
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: which we've established doesn't have a lot of pass rush,

621
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: moves which isn't necessarily an indictment for a defensive. Lineman

622
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: but at twenty, four if you don't have, him now

623
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: are you ever going to get? Him AND i thought

624
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: when he was bull, rushing he often got stemied at

625
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: the point of, attack so he wasn't even winning with.

626
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: Power so, again HE'S i don't want to call him

627
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: a one trick, pony he's a one point twenty five

628
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: trick pony in that he's mostly run. Stuffer But i'm

629
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: with you with those. Concerns and he's a little older

630
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: than the other guys were talking, about so then you

631
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: have to figure, out you, know what his scheme and

632
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: if he's an old, job can you teach him new? Tricks?

633
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, No I'm i'm with, you all. RIGHT i want

634
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,400
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641
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: tait a, bunch SO i don't think we need to

642
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of jump on him. Anymore how do you kind

643
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: of group this next? Set Jordan, TYSON i think is very.

644
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: TALENTED i have a lot of concerns about the injury.

645
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: Stuff mkayle. Lemon. Uh he says to me he's kind

646
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: of a slock, Guy SO i don't know how you

647
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: want to pick a guy like. That Denzel boston is

648
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: very interesting to. Me Chris brazel is very interesting to.

649
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: Me Omar, Cooper casey conception own sort through that group

650
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: for me WHERE i wouldn't be surprised if anyone is

651
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: ends up being the best from that.

652
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: Group to be honest with, You, yeah so is five

653
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: to a half For. Carnell we talked about. That but

654
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: McKay lemons my wide receiver two you talk. About he

655
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: plays in the, slot primarily has. Returnability he can play.

656
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: Outside he's five eleven ran the four or five to

657
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: two to four four, seven depending on whose watch you

658
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: were looking at at his pro. DAY i don't care

659
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i love the way he plays. Slot, primarily and

660
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: my comp for him Is Amara Saint, brown which is an.

661
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: ORIGINAL a lot of people have that similar Comp amurai

662
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: ran four six SOMETHING i believe during the pre givet

663
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: process and that's why he filled to the fourth round in.

664
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: Part BUT i think he's a better college player Than

665
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: amorah was coming out OF. Usc, so knowing all, that, Yeah,

666
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: so knowing all, THAT i wouldn't take him top. Five

667
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: BUT i feel like he's a fifteen to thirty two

668
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: guy all day. Long, yeah me, Too, yeah and he

669
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: could go higher than. That SO i like him number

670
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: two because of the, toughness the ability to stay on the,

671
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: field and the versatility to a. Degree right, Now i'm

672
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: with you On Jordan. Tyson If Jordan tyson were, healthy

673
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: he'd be ONE a for. Me and it wouldn't even

674
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: it wan't be much of a, CONVERSATION i don't. Think

675
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: but he's had a serious knee injury back in twenty twenty.

676
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Two he's having soft tissue, stuff and while the soft

677
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: tissue stuff is less, serious you still can't. Play so

678
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna take a guy top ten and

679
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: then he can't get on the. FIELD i Love Denzel

680
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: boston didn't run in this pro. Day AS i, MENTIONED

681
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: i don't care about. That he's gonna probably be a

682
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: four or five to five. GUY i Think rand's com

683
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: for him was a good, one and that Was Michael pittman.

684
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: Junior he's gonna be a number. Two he's gonna be

685
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: a jump ball. Guy rand doesn't think he's as good

686
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: down the field AS i. DO i think he can create,

687
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: late late separation and at six three six two and

688
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: a half he's a high point. Machine he's not as

689
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: good As rome coming. Out rome had a fantastic final

690
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: Year roman Dun say At. Washington But denzel is sixty

691
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: three or whatever and had a punt return, Touchdown like

692
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: how often do you see? That you?

693
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Know WHAT i loved about, him AND i think what

694
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: if we got me even more excited about is that

695
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: his three cone drill matched. It he's very twitchy change

696
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: of direction wise for a tall. Guy you don't see

697
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: that very much from guys that are six three.

698
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: Plus, no that's, Right and one of my, mottos mostly to,

699
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: myself BUT i said out loud a lot for others

700
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: to enjoy is don't, Overthin like if the kid is,

701
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: good he's, good Right and you, know not to bring

702
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: drag ram back into, this but you Know Will levis

703
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: top five buzz a couple of years. AGO i just

704
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: didn't get it because the tape didn't say. That and you,

705
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: know maybe you can develop a kid and so on

706
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: and so. Forth but If denzel's out there Dominating big ten,

707
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: competition as it, were then it's probably good chance he

708
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: can do that at the next. Level doesn't mean he

709
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: has to be a top ten. PICK i think he's

710
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: the bottom half of the first round.

711
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: Guy and by the, way Dominating big ten competition with

712
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: a quarterback that missed him so many times when he

713
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: was open on tape it was some of the Most

714
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: it was so, frustrating And i'm, like oh my, gosh

715
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: people have said good things about This washington. QUARTERBACK i

716
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: don't understand he's Missing Denzel boston open all over the.

717
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: Place Was it was frustrating the hell out of.

718
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: Me that's a great, Point like he's a fantastic athlete

719
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: and fun to watch when he gets in the open.

720
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Field But Rama dunes had the great what's the Word

721
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: i'm looking? For he got to catch. Passes Michael Pinnick.

722
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Junior that's, right the great privilege WAS i was looking

723
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: for Because michael can spin it and he can put

724
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: it where he wants to put, it at least when

725
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: he's At. Washington Omark Cooper. JR i. LOVE i think

726
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: we're coming around to having more people talk about. Him

727
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: but his ability to do a little bit of. Everything

728
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: he can play slot but he's six feet so you

729
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: can't move him. Outside he can do. That and Then

730
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: Casey canzepsi OWN i think is a version Of Makai

731
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: lemon and they're pretty. Close AND i you, know if

732
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: you told Me casey went was rapped at, first JUST

733
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: i wouldn't necessarily be. Shocked and Then i'll say this

734
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: my next wide receiver After Omark Cooper. Junior and this

735
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: is a little controversy at least with my co host

736
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: on the, Podcast Ted, Hurst LIKE i know he's, raw

737
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: but some of the things he can do very few

738
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: people not Named George pickens can do and that intrigues.

739
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Me and he also did not look out of place

740
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: going against top corners at The Senior bowl, either WHICH

741
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: i thought was important for.

742
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: Him AND i talked to you about this at the

743
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: time where there was some buzz About Malchai fields And i'm, like,

744
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: Listen i'm sure he's a great young. Man just because

745
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: he caught one deep ball From Taylor. Green let's not

746
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: suddenly put him in the top forty and he ran

747
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: a four to six or, whatever and that's that's who he.

748
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: Is doesn't mean he's not A day two, pick doesn't

749
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: mean he's not gonna be. Good BUT i was, like,

750
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: okay let's how is he better Than Ted? Hurst WHICH

751
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: i didn't didn't make sense to me at the, time

752
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: AND i could be proven, wrong BUT i Thought ted

753
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: had a really Good Senior.

754
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: Bowl, Yeah ted certainly a better. ATHLETE i still Remember

755
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: fields telling me he swore to. ME i don't think

756
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: it was on. THERE i think it was off. There

757
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: he walked away from me at The Senior bowl and he, said,

758
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm gonna my four time into the four. Fours

759
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: AND i wasn't gonna argue with the. KID i was just,

760
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: like really in my, head LIKE i DON'T i don't see.

761
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: That but, okay for, YOU i have never talked to

762
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: an agent whose player wasn't gonna run in the four,

763
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: threes and more time than, not they'd run in the four.

764
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: Fives let me ask you About casey conception BECAUSE i

765
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: struggle with him a little. Bit ALL i did AND

766
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: i did my. Evaluation then it made the mistake of.

767
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: LISTENING i don't know what PODCAST i listened, to and they're,

768
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: like he's got all this, juice he's a putt, returner he's,

769
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: fast he's a big play. Guy and THEN i watched the.

770
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Tape RON i gotta be honest with. YOU i see

771
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: more of a, reliable middle of the field possession. Guy

772
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: THEN i see a guy that scares the hell out

773
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: of me with the ball in his. Hands what AM i? Missing, Yeah.

774
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: I'm laughing at your experience BECAUSE i Watched Ben road

775
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: freeling AND i liked him a, lot and THEN i

776
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: got caught up in the vortex of he's gonna be

777
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: a top five. Pick and THEN i just had, this you,

778
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: know the an eight need to push back even THOUGH

779
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: i do think he's a good, player but uh so

780
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: he's not a big. Target so that's one. Thing SO

781
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: i don't how how many guys that are five to

782
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: eleven are dominating as sort of exes or Even z's

783
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: that play outside had seven drops last, year so there's

784
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: the focus drop. Stuff and he was a little banged,

785
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 2: up but That i'm not gonna hold that against. Him

786
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: BUT i hear what you're. Saying Makaya lemon for me

787
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: is more. Reliable AND i don't know if more engage

788
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: the right, word BUT i could when you're talking about

789
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: taking someone in the first round that doesn't meet the

790
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: height weight. Requirements he's one ninety, sixties, fine but the

791
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: height requirements and you have plans for, him or you

792
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: have a need of a certain position and he doesn't

793
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: necessarily feel that. NEED i get the. TREPIDATION i think

794
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: he does have some. JUICE i think he has some legitiac.

795
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: Ability BUT i understand that not everyone's gonna love, him

796
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: and uh, YEAH i. WONDER i wonder how much of

797
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: that was of your perspective was jaded by the uh

798
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: the super hype.

799
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: And by the WAY i. HAVE i have a solid

800
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: second round great on. HIM i like him as a

801
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: player LIKE i think he's gonna be a good starting

802
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: wide receiving The National Football. LEAGUE i have to go.

803
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: BACK i have a bunch of guys that are on

804
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: my rewatch. List he's like the first. Guy WHEN i,

805
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: Finish i'm going to go back and try to rewatch

806
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: him and see where he's at to see WHAT i

807
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: think about. Him where do you Have Zacharya Branch because

808
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: he's another, guy he's super. Light he was the king

809
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: of the screen pass in college this, year, right AND

810
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: i was impressed by his route running in the drills

811
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: at the. COMBINE i thought he actually looked pretty. Good

812
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: he ran really well with you all expected him. Too

813
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: So i'm not gonna count that. Twice but how do

814
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: you see him in terms of his size and, yeah

815
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: what he was asked to do in. COLLEGE i kind

816
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: of have MY i think he's like my eighth. Guy

817
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: he is like elite second, round early third round pick

818
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: on him or something like. That BUT i just don't.

819
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: Know with all those, Things i've questions about how CONFIDENT

820
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: i would be picking him in the, top say like.

821
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 2: Forty, YEAH i have a early to mid day three

822
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: grade on.

823
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: Him oh, Wow and there you go.

824
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: Here so here's the thing THAT i THAT i try to,

825
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: do because if you watch these guys in the, vacuum

826
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: you'll fall in love real quick and then that can

827
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: sort of skew Your and you know this, Too, john

828
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: when you watch a ton of guys or two hundred

829
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: and fifty seven picks or. Whatever when you watch substantially

830
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: more than, that you're gonna, have you, know eighty five

831
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: guys with second round, grades so there's only gonna be

832
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: thirty two picks in the second, round.

833
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: So that you're, right you're. Right.

834
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah so so here's WHAT i. DID i watch him

835
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: AND i liked. HIM i liked him more this year

836
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: THAN i did last. Year twenty twenty four was AT

837
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: Usc but he's five eight and a. Half he's won

838
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: seventy seven and the first question you have to ask,

839
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: yourself even before you turn on his, games is how

840
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: many guys that size are? Successful THEN i watch, him

841
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: and he's, Versatile there's no doubt about. It he's, explosive

842
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about. It he ran the fourth three

843
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: five that you talked. About he's a body. Catcher so

844
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: now you're five eight and a, half you're a body,

845
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: catcher so essentially you have no catch radius on already small.

846
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: Frame AND i was talking to people At georgia about

847
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: him because they love this young. Man they say he's

848
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: the best teammate you could ever hope to, have and

849
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: he's a great human. Being BUT i kept coming back

850
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: To Calvin, austin Like Calvin austin is similar. Sized he

851
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: was a fourth round. Pick he had insane juice coming

852
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 2: out OF i think with The memphis, right AND i just, wondered,

853
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: like how were you gonna if he's a second round,

854
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: pick where are you gonna play? Him and is he

855
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: gonna be in the field sixty five seventy percent of

856
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: the snaps.

857
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: You, Say Calvin, AUSTIN i was thinking too too at

858
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: well a little bit to be out.

859
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: There you, go same, deal that's. Right AND i Think

860
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: tutu was what a second or third round? Pick something?

861
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: Crazy, SECOND i think the raants picked him in the

862
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: second round and.

863
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: There they just never could find the right fit for.

864
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: Him AND i don't know if that's just because he's

865
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: undersized or, whatever because he could certainly, fly AND i

866
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: just wonder what the fit is gonna Because calvin can

867
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: catch the ball away from his. BODY i didn't see

868
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: a lot of that until your other. Point you're just

869
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: throwing them slip screens and saying get after and do your,

870
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: thing which is a great thing to do for Zacharab,

871
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 2: Branch but how does that translate to the next level

872
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: when you're trying to you know trying to coordinate up an.

873
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: Offense if you want to know how to manage two

874
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: minutes of crunch time, Football i'm Your. Matt but if

875
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,920
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876
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,279
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877
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,840
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878
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879
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, No i'm with you on. That all. Right, now

880
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: let's go through kind of our either or scenarios. HERE

881
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: i want to see which ones you like. Better brefercious.

882
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,440
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884
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886
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: Com all, right we're gonna start with the first round.

887
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: Pick then we'll do one second round, there then we're

888
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: gonna do a. Combo all, Right, Ryan so let's start

889
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: with the first. Round you're sitting, there you can draft

890
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: Either Rvel reeves Or Caleb, downs and you're The New

891
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: York Football. Giants what do you? Do, oh.

892
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: Man, okay we're on the, clock SO i can't take

893
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: all day. Here all, Right i'm not gonna overthink. It

894
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: and we you, know you AND i have talked About

895
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: Tyler nuban AND i like him a lot coming, out

896
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: and all, Right i'm going to. Ourbell just let's just

897
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: take it an arbell and we'll move him. Around i'm

898
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: not just gonna have him off the. Edge we'll have

899
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: him pitch into THE a. Gap we'll have him doing

900
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 2: to play another. Apex he can play in the. Slide

901
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: we'll just move him.

902
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: Around, well it's, funny And, ryan you mentioned THAT i

903
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: was thinking about this the other day because if you

904
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: look at The giants, roster, right they don't have a

905
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: knee for an edge player this, year but they do

906
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: over a need for an off ball. Linebacker so what

907
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: if you put him next to you, Know Tremaine edmonds this,

908
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: year right next, year you, know Uh Kevon thibodau's on

909
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: a on his fifth year, option so he's on an

910
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: the contract next, Year mike mc Rather goldston is on a.

911
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: Contract that's that's gonna be. Up you need three edge

912
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: rushers and then you have two guys In reese And

913
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: carter that you can kind of swap back and forth

914
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 1: inside and outside in terms of how you put them long.

915
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: TERM i think it makes sense and this, Year, look

916
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: he was a great off ball linebacker last. Year just

917
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: play him off ball With Tremaine edmonds and you're gonna

918
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: get a lot out of.

919
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: Them.

920
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: YEAH i love that you mentioned, that because right they Have,

921
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: tremaine then you have a Dual carter who was an

922
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: off ball linebacker for much of his Career Penn. State

923
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: now you have you, know we're talking about moving to

924
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: positionless players on, defense, especially you got three right. Here

925
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: they can do whatever you. Want they're all similarly. Sized

926
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: it could get after an explosive. THAT i like. That all,

927
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: right there you. Go i'm GLAD i made the right.

928
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: DECISION i think you.

929
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: Did and by the, WAY i wanted to Say Vernon goldston,

930
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: THERE i knew that wasn't. True it Is Chauncey. GOLSTON

931
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: i just, dude when you really start getting deep for

932
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: the fans that don't get it as someone as a

933
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: couple of kids And i'm all over the, place do

934
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: you start learning about all these draft prospects every? Year

935
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: you forget names so easily it is. Unbelievable how many

936
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: like names THAT i should remember just have flitted out

937
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: of my brain over the last two. Months it drives me.

938
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: Nuts it's funny you say that BECAUSE i told you

939
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: we're doing these. S seven round drafts are all thirty two,

940
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: teams and by, god if you don't know the backup

941
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: center's name the first, time you were gonna hear about

942
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: it because you should know every single.

943
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Person are you do you really the backup? Center you

944
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: get heat over.

945
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah people like, like, oh he didn't know, so

946
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: and SO i was, LIKE i couldn't think of his.

947
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: Name but because i'm you, Know i'm a middle aged

948
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: man with two kids and have memory. Issues that's the.

949
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: Issue our lads dot com is the best, resource always

950
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: having it, open with the depth charts in front of,

951
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: you no question about. It all, right let's go to

952
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: round number. Two you're staring At Avian terrell And Brandon

953
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: cisa in the. Face so you're The New York Football.

954
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Giants what do you?

955
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: DO i Have terrell a little higher than c c

956
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: BUT i love them. Both i'll go av On terrell

957
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: in part because someone put this in my. BRAIN i

958
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: needed to flush.

959
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: It but post Jac.

960
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: Horn The South carolina corners have been sort of up and,

961
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: down so there's that, stigma and maybe that's the Shame beamer.

962
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: THING i don't. Know But Avi, onterrell we know that

963
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: the pedigree with his, brother and he gets. After he's

964
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: a little, undersized but he plays much better than. That

965
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: he's helpful in the. RUN i think he has good

966
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: ball skills on the outside vertical, route So i'll GO

967
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: avi On. TERRELL i feel better about A, vanterrell by the,

968
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: way Than Tay bank's coming, Out so for whatever that's.

969
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: Worth do you Think terrell is a slot or an

970
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: outside guy in THE?

971
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: NFL i think you can do. BOTH i think he can.

972
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: Play he's Not Devin, witherspoon but he has that sort

973
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: of versatility and that the size is less a concern

974
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 2: for me than it would. Be remember When Emmanuel forbes

975
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: came out and he made one sixty six and we

976
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: all convinced OURSELVES i was going to be, okay and

977
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: it wasn't. OKAY i THINK i Think Avian torell is

978
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: going to be, fine in part because he played a

979
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: pretty high level of The clemson. Consistently and then you,

980
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: KNOW i Think aja the bloodlines matter more than Sometimes

981
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: i'm willing to let.

982
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: On you, know it's, FUNNY i. DON'T i don't Think

983
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: terrell is an elite cover, player but he's just kind

984
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: of good at everything. Right he, tackles he, physical he's,

985
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: smart he is always where he needs to, be doesn't blow.

986
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: Coverages but that's WHY i don't have like a straight

987
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: up first round grade ON i kind of like an

988
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: endo the first top of the second round grade on,

989
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: them AND i think that would be a good fit

990
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: firm in that spot and a versatile piece that you

991
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: can trust to do everything pretty.

992
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: Well i'm with, you, Man it's funny that you know

993
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: you AND i are both as offline as one can

994
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: be given our, jobs and we have similar grades on these.

995
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 2: GUYS i have top of the second for, him AND

996
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: i literally have, him uh just ahead Of Brandon, ceesa

997
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: so they were neck and, neck so we're if you

998
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: can see What i'm, typing now tell me what.

999
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: Is, Well, Well i'll be. Honest in order to make

1000
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: this as difficult for you AS i, COULD i did

1001
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: go to your top one twenty five and try to

1002
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: get that close to each other as. Possible oh got

1003
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: make this up aut of. You here we, go here we,

1004
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: go part of. Me all, right here's the combination, now all,

1005
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: right first and second round picked. Together if you're The,

1006
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: giants would you rather walk away With Sonny styles And

1007
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: Emmanuel pregnon Or Rvel reese And Julian.

1008
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: NEIL i Think i'm going a we're not talking enough

1009
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: Abou Emmanuel pregnant the guard out of organ by way OF.

1010
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: Usc he is such a good, player AND i had

1011
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: him going in the first round of mock drafts back

1012
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: in the, fall and he's sort of gotten pushed down

1013
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: a little bit because of other, stuff but he is

1014
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 2: as solid as they. Come if your name is In Vigo,

1015
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: yoanne and there's obviously a need. THERE i know that

1016
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: The giants brought Back Evan, neil AND i think they

1017
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: brought by a couple of other interier offensive. Linemen BUT

1018
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: i don't think anyone thinks That Evan neil's gonna suddenly

1019
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: turn into what they were hoping, for especially. Inside so,

1020
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: yeah there's a.

1021
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Hole, there, Still absolutely there's a hole.

1022
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: There so And Sonny, styles we just talked about the

1023
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: versatility with the ar reel. REES i think you get

1024
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: that as. Well we talked To sonny the, combine and

1025
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: he talked about how it took him aout a year

1026
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: to figure out how to go from safety to, linebacker

1027
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: and Knowing I'm matt and how good he was last,

1028
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: season that just leads me to think he's bigger than

1029
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: Our Rel reese by the, way taller and heavier by

1030
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: four or five. Pounds he can come off the edge

1031
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: if you need him. To he can play in the

1032
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: slot if you need him, Too so he has that same.

1033
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: Versatility So i'll do that and take the guard because

1034
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: the idea is to Protect Jackson dart and give him.

1035
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: Weapons and you know you can have a great, defense

1036
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: but if your quarterbacks running for his, life that sort

1037
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: of defeats the. Purpose the other, THING i think it's

1038
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: important to, Mention i'm glad you're doing. THIS i think

1039
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: it's important to do the do you want this first

1040
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: second option or this for a second? Option, yea it is.

1041
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: Connected it is.

1042
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: Connected that's right BECAUSE i like Juliy, neil BUT i

1043
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: like the idea of the versatility that both those players

1044
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: the offense defense provides with that first.

1045
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: Option i'm with. You the one Thing i'm so struggling,

1046
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: With and THEN i got three more for you And

1047
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: i'll get you out of. Here If styles And downs

1048
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: are both there for The giants at, FIVE i honestly

1049
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: still don't know WHAT i would. DO i THINK i

1050
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: Lean styles right, now just BECAUSE i think that future

1051
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: middle Linebacker Fred warner type player is probably a little

1052
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: bit more valuable than the. Safety and the thing About

1053
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: styles and the WAY i like to think about if

1054
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: youre picking a guy in the top, five what part

1055
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: of the profile makes you nervous that the player could? Fail? Right?

1056
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: Right and, look because if you pick someone the top,

1057
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: five he turns out to just be a good, player

1058
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: not a great. Player you live with, that but you

1059
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: can't have somebody that, bust. Right and for the, RECORD

1060
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: i think both those players are very safe. PLAYERS i

1061
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: don't think either one's going to. Bust but With, downs

1062
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: at least the physical profile is to your, point he's

1063
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Not Kyle, hamilton, Right he's Not Derwin. James he's not

1064
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: that type of physical freak show Where styles has the.

1065
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 1: Brain his meetings with teams are, great he's an. Athlete

1066
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: the tape's good, physically like you can't find for me

1067
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: the whole For Sunny, styles where it's like this is

1068
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: HOW i think this guy might not make. It there's

1069
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: just he checks every Box downs almost. Does he's just

1070
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: not that elite, athlete which is WHY i think with

1071
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: along with the position, VALUE i think right NOW i

1072
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: would Lean styles slightly Over.

1073
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 2: Downs, yeah and the other. THING i, mean they're both

1074
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: incredible young. Men AND i remember talking to To Rix

1075
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: pale went about this a couple of years ago when

1076
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: he was doing some work With Ohio, state meeting with

1077
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: the players and talking him ABOUT nfl and all other.

1078
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: Stuff and he told me back, THEN i didn't know

1079
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: Who Sonny styles was because he wasn't on the DRAFT.

1080
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: Rdar yet he, said IF i were starting a company,

1081
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: TOMORROW i would Hire Sunny styles to be THE ceo right.

1082
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: Now like, that how impressive this young man. Is and

1083
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: then it physically he does all the things he. Does

1084
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: the other thing THAT i think is worth sort of

1085
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: pointing out is that you want to, build in my,

1086
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: mind at least from the front to the. Back so

1087
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: if you're The Cincinnati, bengals then you Draft Caleb, Downs

1088
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: he's gonna get let up because no one's rushing the.

1089
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: Past and that's Not Caleb downs's. Fault but you, know

1090
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: you Have Dexter, lawrence you have the guys were talking

1091
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: about off coming off the, edge and then you have

1092
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: an off ball linebacker to pair with The Tremaine evans or,

1093
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: whomever and who has the versatility to move. Around and you,

1094
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: know my Colleague Pete prisco pointed this out non stop

1095
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: over the last month or. So but the Sattle seahawks

1096
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 2: won A Super bowl two not know you Know Julian

1097
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: love quite. Well two guys are, safety not Two hall of.

1098
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 2: Famers but they, draft they signed two. Guys they stuck

1099
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: him in. There Kobe bryant they DRAFTED i, Believe, NO

1100
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 2: i don't know if they Drafted Kobe brant.

1101
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: Now either, way the point is that there are Two Kobe,

1102
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: bryant's AND i always get the Two Kobe bryant's. CONFUSED

1103
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: i forget which one got youefted by?

1104
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: Who, YEAH i think this is The Sauce gardner Teammate Kobe.

1105
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Bryant.

1106
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: Away the point is that the fact that we don't

1107
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: know tells us is, telling and it just that the

1108
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 2: front seven was what got home consistently For mike, McDonald

1109
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: AND i think that's how you you probably want to

1110
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: think about building your. Defense, yeah no.

1111
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: Question look At julie loves a small player like that's

1112
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: what makes him, special right that he you, know knows

1113
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: where to, be is always in the right. Spot so,

1114
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm with. YOU i think that's really. Important all,

1115
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: right let's jump to a. COUPLE i got three superlos for.

1116
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: YOU i want to give you and he though both

1117
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: of his love offline as much as we can give.

1118
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: Me who you think is the guy that you see

1119
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: people rank very high and, again not that it's not

1120
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: a good player and you just like the player or

1121
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: that they're wrong and you're. Right who's the guy just

1122
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: from your? Eye you watch, Them you hear what everybody

1123
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: else says about, him and you just can't see.

1124
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: It, Okay yeah, No and that's Not. FREELAND i Think

1125
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: Moroe feling's actually a good. PLAYER i just wonder if

1126
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: we're the hype train is a little too high form

1127
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: in a row AND i think his first round. Pick

1128
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: BUT i will go we talked about this, guy and

1129
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: But i'll go with. Another Jake golday is the guy

1130
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: That i've heard about Since september AND i watched virtually

1131
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: all his snaps AND i just don't think he's a

1132
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: first round. PICK i think he's a really good, player

1133
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 2: former edge rusher From Central. Arkansas he can play, inside

1134
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: sort of the same versatility we're talking about with The

1135
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: Ohio state. Players but he's a little stiff in space for,

1136
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: me and he doesn't move like A Jack, campbell for.

1137
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: Example he doesn't even move Like Drew. Sanders And i'm

1138
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: not making the white, guy white guy. Comparison i'm making

1139
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: the comparison of a former edge rusher who moved, inside

1140
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: who was a really good, athlete, comparison who was six

1141
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: or five AND i think he ran really, well was

1142
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: At alabama and couldn't play because some guy Named Will anderson.

1143
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: Junior so he went To arkansas and had a really

1144
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: good final season. There he was a third round. Pick

1145
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: Is Jake golday better Than Drew. SANDERS i don't think,

1146
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: So and you might feel, Differently john AND i be

1147
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: And i'm sort of alone on, this BUT i know

1148
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: that the, team some teams like, him and obviously the

1149
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: draft media considers him a. DARLING i just that's something

1150
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: THAT i couldn't wrap my brain, around and you, Know

1151
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: i've been proven wrong, before so hopefully has a story

1152
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: and long, career but that's just. SOMETHING i don't see

1153
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: him as the first round pick right.

1154
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: Now Jake goldey is someone that was born in the

1155
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: wrong era of. Football Jake golday need to be coming

1156
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: into the league in the late eighties and early nineties

1157
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: when you still had like that traditional outside strong side

1158
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 1: linebacker where you hit the line of scrim major taking

1159
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: on the tight end of the running. Game you're not

1160
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: asking him to be twitchy and running silent the. Sideline, yeah,

1161
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: YEAH i see him the same. Way he's a, long,

1162
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: big physical. PLAYER i do wonder about his ability to

1163
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: do all the things he need to do from a

1164
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: range perspective and from a twitch perspective in the middle

1165
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: of the. FIELD i don't disagree with.

1166
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: That, Yeah so we'll, see and we'll see how he's,

1167
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: Used and obviously usage. Matters BUT i think you're. Right

1168
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: he needs a neck roll and he NEEDS wor number

1169
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: fifty five and he'll be good to. Go all, right

1170
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: let's go.

1171
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: Opposite who's the guy that you watch and you cannot

1172
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: believe everyone else does not think he's better like you.

1173
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Do all, right let's see what we got. Here let,

1174
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: me let, me let me find a guy once would

1175
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: be one of.

1176
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: THEM i, guess uh, wait WHO i, said? Would oh, Yeah,

1177
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: Peter Peter. Woods that's, Right, yeah.

1178
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: All, right let's go With let's go With Kendall. DANIELS

1179
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: i don't know if you've seen. Him he was in

1180
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: The Senior bowl linebacker out Of, oklahoma let me double.

1181
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: Check but he's. Enormous like you talk about old school,

1182
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: linebackers he's old school linebackers in terms of how he's.

1183
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: Built six five two forty, two but he has thirty

1184
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: two and a half inch arms and he's a little,

1185
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: older he's twenty. THREE i love the way he played in.

1186
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: Space he can line up all over the. Place uh

1187
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: played in the, box played thirty six of his snaps

1188
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: in the, slot played ten percent of free. SAFETY i

1189
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: called him a game, wrecker excellent over field tackler in,

1190
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: space excels in man. Coverage and you, know we talked

1191
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: about the versatility of these players in the middle of the.

1192
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: Field that's sort of what you. Want he's sometimes out

1193
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: of control coming, downhill and we see that a lot

1194
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 2: with tor of guys coming from the second and third.

1195
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: Levels they're just trying to blow something up and they

1196
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: take bad angles. Occasionally and he's a little grabby sometimes

1197
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: in coverage when he's sort of on an island and.

1198
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: Whatever my comp for him was obviously much bigger version

1199
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: Of kyle dug or just that. Versatility But i'm way

1200
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: higher on. HIM i think he's ad A day two guy.

1201
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: In your top. Fifty, right he was in your top

1202
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: fifty on your one twenty.

1203
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: FIVE i THINK i do believe, so AND i don't

1204
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: Think i've come off of. That and sometimes it used

1205
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: to be WHEN i first started doing, THIS i WOULD

1206
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: i would, be you, know persuaded by group. Think, no

1207
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 2: like nobody we talk about. This nobody, knows even teams

1208
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: don't know how these players are going to turn. Out

1209
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: so if, you if you love, someone lean into. It

1210
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: SO i Love Kendl. Daniels hopefully you know he has

1211
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: no off field stuff that's going to blow up my.

1212
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: Face but BUT i love his game and he again positionless.

1213
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: Players he feels like one of those guys on defense

1214
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: and can come in and do a bunch of things for.

1215
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: You Kobe, bryant by the, way was The cincinnati oh

1216
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: safety and he was drafted by The seahawks and the

1217
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: fourth round in twenty twenty. Two thank, you and Now

1218
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: he is a safety for The Chicago, bears Replacing Jawan

1219
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: brisker in that.

1220
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: Group so there you, go there we. Go thank you

1221
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: for no.

1222
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Problem that loop final one for. You who's Your you're

1223
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: in a bad, Mood you're, cranky you're your kids just

1224
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: draw on the wall with permanent. Marker, uh they didn't

1225
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: want to go to school in the. Morning you're just

1226
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: in a bad. Mood what's the guy that you think

1227
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: might be A day three? Pick he just put on

1228
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: the tape and and it just makes you happy and

1229
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: you like watching him and it's just. Fun that's.

1230
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: Funny you, Know i'll be really bad mood if my

1231
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: fourteen year old was drawn on the.

1232
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: Wall so, SEE i still have a three year. Old that's.

1233
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: What, Yeah, YEAH i give you.

1234
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: Credit.

1235
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: Man that's a that's a that's a you're you're you're

1236
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: doing The lord's. Work i'm in the.

1237
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: Mix i'm in the.

1238
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: Mix you were in the thick of.

1239
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: It.

1240
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: OH i got a couple guys and they're both defensive. Linemen.

1241
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 2: Uh Jeffrey, imba you talked to him at The senior

1242
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: ball for messing. You he's He's, african but He's french

1243
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: speaking and he has a fantastic story. Man he is

1244
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: just so. Raw he's like twenty, seven but he is

1245
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: a rarely built human being and when he wants to

1246
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: take over, physically he can do. That he just has

1247
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: a long way to. Go and he told me his

1248
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 2: goal is to prove that players from overseas can excel

1249
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: without having to go through the international, program BECAUSE i

1250
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: guess there's some stigment to that WHICH i didn't know is.

1251
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: There maybe it's like a special exemption for a player

1252
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 2: to get on a roster and have an opportunity Is

1253
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: but he he's a fun story and a great young,

1254
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: man and the sort of THE i, mean you know,

1255
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: this but you get to hear the stories of kids

1256
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: who literally leave their families and travel thousands of miles

1257
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: to a country where they don't speak at the. Language

1258
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: they're all incredibly, smart so the academics aren't the. Issue

1259
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: it's just sort of the cultural and the language, barrier

1260
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: and then they find the sport and they just take

1261
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: off from. There and the other is my, Guy Skylar Gil,

1262
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: howard WHO i actually ended up writing a story about

1263
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: him after this is how impressive he.

1264
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: Was.

1265
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: JOHN i watched his tape ahead of the. COMBINE i

1266
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: didn't know who he. WAS i just know he played

1267
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: along the Text tech offensive, line a defensive line missed

1268
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: the second half of the season ankle, injury AND i

1269
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: turned that tape on and you talk about, smiling HE'S

1270
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: i think he measured six feet six feet two eighty

1271
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: plays in the, inside you, know zero to five or

1272
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Speaker 2: zero to. Four excuse. Me he was A division two

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Speaker 2: linebacker the way two thirty. Five he wanted to Play

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00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: division one, ball so he transferred TO, niu but they

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00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: wanted him to gain fifty, pounds so he gained fifty.

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00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: Pounds he is so twitched up it is. Crazy and

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00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: he has a pick six Against Kent state where he get.

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00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: It he gets the ball at midfield and the running

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Speaker 2: back For Kins state cannot catch, him like he is

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00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: just hoofing. It and he's a great. Story he worked

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Speaker 2: At FedEx for a bit in between transferring to N

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Speaker 2: iu and then got that offer to go To Texas

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Speaker 2: tech along with the obviously the eight million dollars defensive.

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Speaker 2: Line as the joke, is and if he if he

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00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: had not gotten, hurt maybe that season ends a little

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00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: differently for. Him but fun player, man and hopefully he gets.

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Speaker 2: DRAFTED i think he. WILL i hopefully gets drafted higher

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00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: THAN i have him, going which is like middle of

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00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: the day, three because he is just a juiced up

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Speaker 2: interior deef to the line and there's so much fun to. Watch.

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Speaker 1: YEAH i have not watched either of those guys. Yet

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Speaker 1: i'm going to go and put on the tape. Today,

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Speaker 1: yeah AS i try to sneak a peak AT Nc Double. Tournament, here,

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Speaker 1: right good stuff by, friend one more. Time tell the

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00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: folks the name of your podcast where they can find,

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Speaker 1: that and everything else you're doing FOR. Cbs.

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Speaker 2: YEAH i always loved talking To john even you, know

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00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: either here or when we see each other on the

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Speaker 2: on the. Road but with the first pick with my

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Speaker 2: Buddy Ran karth on Former TINES, gm AND i learned

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00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: a lot from him and if you like learning how

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00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 2: things kind of going behind the, Curtains ran is certainly

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00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: the guy to talk, to and we'll be doing it

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00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 2: every single. Day it feels like between now and the, Draft.

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Speaker 1: Ryan good, stuff my, friend talk soon and enjoy believe

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Speaker 1: it or, not just over four weeks, away which is

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00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: kind of insane when you think about, it but it

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Speaker 1: is one of Those thank, you my, Friend thank You.

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