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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Thursday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. I am coming to you. I'm traveling.

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Speaker 1: I just wrapped up a panel that I moderated on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the Harvard Kennedy School. I'm not a I

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Speaker 1: long time Maybec News political reportner Britney Shepherd, former DNC

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Speaker 1: chair Jamie Harrison, and former Republican Congressman from Illinois Rodney

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Speaker 1: Davis and we basically did a mid term preview. In fact,

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Speaker 1: many of the things I talked about there you've heard

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Speaker 1: me talk about here. But it is, it is. It

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Speaker 1: was interesting to hear sort of what people feel like

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Speaker 1: they have to say publicly. And I say that, and

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Speaker 1: I think that you know you you know, no partisan

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Speaker 1: needless to say, Rodney Davis, who works the Chamber of Commerce,

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Speaker 1: he sort of acknowledged that there are some there are

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Speaker 1: some concerns that the Republican Party is being remade a

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Speaker 1: party that is not as appealing to the Chamber of

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Speaker 1: Commerce Republicans as it once were. And Jamie Harrison acknowledged

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Speaker 1: plenty of problems that the Democrats have and speaking to

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Speaker 1: rural America. But anyway, you won't be surprised by this,

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Speaker 1: but that you know, those Harvard students a pretty smart

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Speaker 1: in there. So my thanks to the wonderful hosts at

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Speaker 1: the Harvard Kennedy School and the Institute of Politics. There

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Speaker 1: are a lot of this is sort of the original

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Speaker 1: IOP and there are a lot of it. They've been

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Speaker 1: a great model for Institute of Politics all around the

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Speaker 1: country on that. So my thanks to there. But that

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Speaker 1: is why I'm not in the home studio. But it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean I don't have that. I have some truncated

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Speaker 1: show for you. Actually just the opposite. I have a

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Speaker 1: few things I want to get to and in fact,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the midterms. I know we've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of crazy stuff happened this week, right the Pam

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Speaker 1: BONDI Epstein hearings. You know, I'm not going to do

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Speaker 1: what everybody starts does these days, which is say, you know,

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Speaker 1: congressional hearings are all theater. Yes they're all theater, but

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Speaker 1: the theater can matter if there's a SoundBite that lives

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Speaker 1: I wish that more members of Congress figured out how

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Speaker 1: And it was bizarre to hear Pam Bondi pushed back

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Speaker 1: But you know, Bondi's credibility issues are pretty she's accumulating

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Speaker 1: it's not been a good good week for the Justice Department.

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Speaker 1: Janine Piro tried to get a grand jury. You know, infamously,

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Speaker 1: That's upholding your oath. So it I think the decision

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Speaker 1: The public's paying attention, and ultimately, you're going to have

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Speaker 1: always figure it out. Okay. The question is how much

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Speaker 1: That's what our history shows. And I'm confident we're going

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Speaker 1: how to be have a democracy that's more responsive to left,

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Speaker 1: Trust the voter here. And I think that decision by

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Speaker 1: Epstein files. Right when she first got there, it was

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Speaker 1: they want to redact more. They're afraid of certain things.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of protecting of Donald Trump here,

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Speaker 1: even though again it's it's interesting. There seems to be

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Speaker 1: plenty of semi exculpatory things for Trump in these files, right,

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Speaker 1: to be awfully nervous about it. Is it to any

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Speaker 1: That is a recipe for a midterm flip. The question

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Speaker 1: He shared with me some numbers and reminding me that

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Speaker 1: the Union out of fifty states their statewide GDP. And

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Speaker 1: it's all due to these tariffs and what it's done

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Speaker 1: to the farm economy, and soybean's essentially sitting there and

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Speaker 1: not being bought by the Chinese in Michigan, none of

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Speaker 1: the the tariffs that they've put on these auto parts.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got Trump deciding he may pull out

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Speaker 1: of his version of NAFTA that he calls the USMCA.

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Speaker 1: Just completely pull out now, you know, as I remind

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Speaker 1: people all the time, with Trump, follow what he does.

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Speaker 1: More than following. You should follow what he does, not

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Speaker 1: always what he says. He says a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: He talked about pulling out of the USMCA before, and

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Speaker 1: he ended up signing a new deal. But that would

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Speaker 1: be yet another gift to Democrats in an election year

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Speaker 1: if he totally up ends both the Texas and Michigan

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Speaker 1: economies and other economies by blowing up the USMCA. It's

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Speaker 1: a fair question to ask yourself. Does Donald Trump care

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Speaker 1: about the Republican future of the Republican Party. I have

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Speaker 1: contended here he does not. If there is no president,

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Speaker 1: no Republican president elected after him, and while he's alive,

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Speaker 1: he will see that as a victory, not as a disappointment.

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Speaker 1: If he can make it clear that the only person

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Speaker 1: that can win as a Republican is Donald Trump, he'd

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Speaker 1: rather have that than to see the party grow. There

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Speaker 1: is a selfishness to him. He's got this huge financial

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Speaker 1: they wore chest that he's put together, all these different

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Speaker 1: slush funds. Is he actually going to how much of

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Speaker 1: it is he going to be willing to spend in

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Speaker 1: the midterms. Is he going to spend it to help

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Speaker 1: elect Republicans or is he going to spend it in

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Speaker 1: order to focus on his grievances? Right? I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at all the money he's wasting against Thomas Massing in

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Speaker 1: order to deal with a great events. Or look what

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Speaker 1: he's done in Louisiana. Now that's a safer way if

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Speaker 1: he wanted to punish Cassidy. I politically understand why he does.

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Speaker 1: But he's lucky that had John Bell Edwards, the last

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Speaker 1: Democrats to win statewide in Louisiana, decided not to run

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Speaker 1: for Senate. Now, I think it would be a big

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Speaker 1: uphill battle, but that could have thrown that race into itsizzy.

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Speaker 1: It is already hard enough for elected Republicans, and then

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Speaker 1: the icing on the cake this week. If you're an

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Speaker 1: elected Republican incumbent member of Congress, House or Senate and

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Speaker 1: you're trying to make the case to voters re elect

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Speaker 1: that because we've got this great agenda. Donald Trump said no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I want no legislation passed this year. He said no

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Speaker 1: to doing another reconciliation bill, which is an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: use your congressional majorities to get more of your agenda through.

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Speaker 1: He says, And oh, but I got everything I wanted

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Speaker 1: from the one big, beautiful bill. Well that's good for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That's a terrible message of your incumbent member

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Speaker 1: of Congress. Yeah, okay, you did that. What else are

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Speaker 1: you gonna do? How come you didn't do anything this year?

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Speaker 1: What what are these tariffs doing? He is making it strategically,

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Speaker 1: forget just take your politics out of it a second. Strategically,

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Speaker 1: Republicans have an opportunity to put together, you know, a

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Speaker 1: party line bill of some sort. You know, maybe they

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Speaker 1: could put some stuff in there that that creates difficult

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Speaker 1: votes for Democrats, but they don't know how to do

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Speaker 1: politics one on one sometimes, and you have amateur hour speaker,

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Speaker 1: you know, which is why you've seed like it is

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Speaker 1: it is. You know, if you if you gave John

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Speaker 1: Thune truth serum and ask him what kind of partner

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson is? I think he would say, Mike Johnson's

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Speaker 1: a nice guy who's way in over his head and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump doesn't care. And the message he's sending by

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Speaker 1: no Reconciliation bill when he said no to doing another bill,

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Speaker 1: which a bunch of Republicans wanted to do, is I

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Speaker 1: really don't care about you. I don't care. If you

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Speaker 1: have nothing to run on, you just should just keep

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Speaker 1: running on the one big, beautiful bill. Okay, look, he

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Speaker 1: got a good job report this week. By the way,

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Speaker 1: somebody ought to investigate. There's been some it's really bizarre.

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Speaker 1: And this is a little bit of an aside, but

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Speaker 1: Peter Navarro went on TV two days ago and said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: this job's report. You know we're gonna you know, don't

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Speaker 1: be prepared. This won't This may not be the best

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Speaker 1: first jobs report. We've had a lot of deportations, it's

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Speaker 1: having some there's some haywire. And then somebody made a

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Speaker 1: lot of money on Calshi making a prediction that the

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Speaker 1: jobs report was going to be a good job report.

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Speaker 1: Somebody I'm gonna asked the question, are their administration officials

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Speaker 1: that are saying certain things in public to move the

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Speaker 1: prediction markets one way so they can cash in on them,

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Speaker 1: or their friends can cash in on them another way.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, I'm just saying, first of all, this

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Speaker 1: needs to be looked at. I mean literally, Peter Navarrow

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Speaker 1: went on TV downplaying that this wasn't going to be

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Speaker 1: a good jobs report, and it did affect the Calshie numbers.

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Speaker 1: If you watch, if you go back and look at it,

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Speaker 1: go look at the at the line, and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden the number to go over the forecasted

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Speaker 1: number to make your bet. Somebody made some money either

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Speaker 1: hedging Peter Navarro prediction or they knew damn well what

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Speaker 1: was going on. And this is why, folks, these prediction markets,

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Speaker 1: when somebody knows the answer are extraordinarily corruptible. They're going

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Speaker 1: to be corruptible. Whether it's as silly as you know

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Speaker 1: what you know, how long will the Caroline Levitt press

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Speaker 1: briefing be the fact that you're allowed to bet on

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Speaker 1: that seems like something that shouldn't be allowed or excuse me,

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Speaker 1: predict when you when you see something like this with

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Speaker 1: the jobs report, where literally Peter Navarro win on Fox

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Speaker 1: Business to downplay it certainly sounded as if he already

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Speaker 1: knew in fact some of us. You know, you saw

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Speaker 1: what he said, and you're think, oh, I guess they're

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Speaker 1: trying to get ahead of what they think is going

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Speaker 1: to be a bad jobs report. Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: why is it leaking out? Now? Why do this many

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Speaker 1: people know about it. It's supposed to be embargo, it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be aft. You're not supposed to be able

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Speaker 1: to move markets like this, But then it turns out

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Speaker 1: to the exact opposite. I'm just asking questions. Let's just

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Speaker 1: say a lot of other people need to be asking

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Speaker 1: questions on this one. But it was a good job number.

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Speaker 1: It's a good jobs report. That's it. Maybe if it's sustainable,

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Speaker 1: and maybe Republicans then run on more money in people's

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Speaker 1: pockets if it indeed actually gets stay in their pockets.

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Speaker 1: I think the concern I would have as an incumbent

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Speaker 1: Republican is that when these tax rebates come and their

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Speaker 1: tax refunds are there, that people are frustrated that this

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Speaker 1: incredible new refund all had to go to paying for

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Speaker 1: health care, higher electric bills, and higher food costs, and

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Speaker 1: the refund disappears even faster than the refund they got

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Speaker 1: a year ago. And how's that going to make them

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Speaker 1: feel by June or July, are they going to love

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Speaker 1: this economy? Then the point is what Trump has done

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Speaker 1: to congressional Republicans is he's basically said it's either that

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Speaker 1: or the party's doomed. Either. The big tax rebates that

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Speaker 1: come to people are cite the electorate so much that

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Speaker 1: it secures that makes people feel better, and that somehow

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Speaker 1: this antagonism against Trump starts to dissipate. Call me skeptical,

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Speaker 1: but the bottom line is the biggest impediment right now

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Speaker 1: for congressional Republicans to keep their majorities is their own president.

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Speaker 1: He is standing in the way, and if Democrats win

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Speaker 1: the Senate, they might only have Donald Trump to think

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Speaker 1: considering how he's missed, how he's made the map harder

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Speaker 1: for his own party, it's quite the feat. But again,

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Speaker 1: if you know Donald Trump, well cares more about Trump

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Speaker 1: than he does the Republican Party. And it's something all

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Speaker 1: Republicans need to be thinking about because many of these

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Speaker 1: folks are going to get elected and in theory, be

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Speaker 1: in office long after Donald Trump's running the party. So

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Speaker 1: the point is you see more Republicans willing to vote

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Speaker 1: against him in Congress, more Republicans willing to come out

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Speaker 1: against them, and there's a reason he's making their life harder.

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Speaker 1: He's making their life a lot harder. All Right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna pivot to Paul Reikoff because you know, he's making

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Speaker 1: a pitch for independence and basically supporting a lot of

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Speaker 1: independent candidates running for state wide office but also running

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Speaker 1: for local office. And you've heard me say, look, you

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Speaker 1: know you've got to figure out how to win the middle.

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Speaker 1: But the question is what is the middle? And can

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Speaker 1: you be of the middle? And I bring this up

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Speaker 1: because I find it interesting what happened in Japan over

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Speaker 1: the week over last weekend where the new Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: basically she got she she ended up with essentially veto

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Speaker 1: proof majorities in her legislature, and she ended up they

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Speaker 1: her coalition did even better than they thought, right, And

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Speaker 1: what's interesting is that she was able to defeat what

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Speaker 1: was a centrist coalition right that Centris for Form alliance

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Speaker 1: was basically a shotgun wedding in Japan between the Constitutional

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party and the Komu Okay and it was sort

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Speaker 1: of center left center right was trying to trying to

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Speaker 1: be a moderate alternative and we've seen this. This happened

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Speaker 1: in Israel and for a brief period of time, a

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Speaker 1: sort of mode, a coalition of the others, right, everybody

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Speaker 1: who didn't like Bbie got together and they were able

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Speaker 1: to beat Babe. But the problem is they couldn't do

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Speaker 1: anything after that. And it is a reminder, and I

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Speaker 1: vacillate myself on this, right, which is when people call

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Speaker 1: themselves independent, are they also calling themselves centrist or moderate

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Speaker 1: or are they simply saying, hey, no, I'm independent, all right,

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Speaker 1: you can't put me in any box. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: I don't say independent because I'm only in the centrist box.

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Speaker 1: And the fact is the centrist coalitions who have tried

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Speaker 1: to sort of beat back a populist or beat back

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Speaker 1: up populasty have struggled. Right, We've seen it in this country. Right,

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Speaker 1: You've got a coalition of AOC and Liz Cheney wanting

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Speaker 1: to get rid of Donald Trump and trump Ism. But

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Speaker 1: what the hell does this opposition to Trump stand for

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Speaker 1: other than not being for Trump, right, being anti Trump?

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Speaker 1: And so I think the real challenge, and Paul and

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Speaker 1: I get into this a little bit. I think the

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Speaker 1: real challenge for this movement of independence, because, as you know,

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Speaker 1: I like I think the parties are hurting us more

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Speaker 1: than they're helping us right now. I think the country

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Speaker 1: would be better served either if we had no parties

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Speaker 1: or we had four national parties. Trying to fit everybody

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Speaker 1: into two parties is quite difficult, right, you know, It's

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Speaker 1: like going to the store T shirt store and finding

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Speaker 1: out the only choices are, you know, extra small and

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Speaker 1: extra large, and you're like, I wear something somewhere in

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Speaker 1: between there. I absolutely think our politics would be easier

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Speaker 1: to understand and we'd have more successful coalition politics is

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Speaker 1: if we were correctly in our four parties, where there

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Speaker 1: were no party could ever get control on their own,

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Speaker 1: they had to work with one of the other three parties.

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Speaker 1: But this is the world we're in, and it is

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Speaker 1: and I think that it's a fair debate, and I

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Speaker 1: like I say, I vacillated the political You know, political

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Speaker 1: science will tell you that if you're in the if

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Speaker 1: you're sort of in the mushy middle, you're not going

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Speaker 1: to please anybody. And yet if you alienate the middle,

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Speaker 1: that's how you lose races. Right, So the question is

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Speaker 1: is it better to try to appeal to the middle,

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Speaker 1: or to force the middle to come to your side

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Speaker 1: because they just can't stomach the other side. And what

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Speaker 1: is a more durable governing coalition. I think we've seen,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Cold War era allowed both parties to

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Speaker 1: be more centrist once and because there was the concern

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Speaker 1: about security and security of the country and nuclear war

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Speaker 1: and war with the Soviets, and so it sort of

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Speaker 1: it it's the public sort of was comfortable sort of

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Speaker 1: staying in between the thirty five yard lines. Once that

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Speaker 1: independent candidates running, particularly in South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, Mississippi

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Speaker 1: some questions, ask Chuck. First question comes from Kevin. He says, hey,

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Speaker 1: I've heard on your podcast and others that Biden quote

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Speaker 1: failed at the border while Trump succeeded. But that framing

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Speaker 1: feels overly simplistic. Isn't Congress responsible for immigration policy? Biden

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Speaker 1: campaign on the issue. Appreciate your centrist approach. There's said

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Speaker 1: centrist word again, right, incrementalist approach is what I would prefer, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: But thank you. I appreciate your centrist approach. But I

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Speaker 1: hope future coverage gives more nuanced scrutiny to both sides. No,

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Speaker 1: it's look what the failure at the border, though, was

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Speaker 1: not allowing Look Congress. This issue with the with Congress

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Speaker 1: is five five presidential five president presidential administration. Right. George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush tried to do it No. Five and it blew

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Speaker 1: up in his face. Barack Obama tried to do it

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Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, with the Gang of Eight John McCain

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Speaker 1: part of that, but John Baynor decided not to put it.

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Speaker 1: John Bayner has said he regrets not putting that comprehensive

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Speaker 1: immigration reform package on the floor of the House. Now,

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Speaker 1: the reason he didn't do it then is it he

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Speaker 1: thought it would cost him as speakership well as he

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Speaker 1: going to eventually cost him as speakership. And that's why

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Speaker 1: he has some regret that he just didn't go for broke.

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Speaker 1: Back then, we saw a near miss DACA for the wall.

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Speaker 1: Back in twenty eighteen, Schumer and Trump were I guess,

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Speaker 1: semi negotiating. Seemed like maybe there'd be some movement, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I take it as a Pollyannish approach because

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Speaker 1: cannot do. You're not gonna get immigration reform done unless

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Speaker 1: both parties have skin in the game, and it just

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Speaker 1: it's that was the issue I think with Biden. But

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Speaker 1: what it really was was the enforcement right, not not

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Speaker 1: but if you talk to people that worked in Biden's DHS.

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Speaker 1: They will tell you they feel like their hands were

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Speaker 1: then there was a new chief of Staff in the

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Speaker 1: Porter in Chief Jay Johnson and his deputy Alimi Orcus,

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Speaker 1: who would become Biden's DHS secretary. Working with a guy

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Speaker 1: like Tom Holman. By the way, we're keeping the border

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Speaker 1: Biden became president, because Miller scoured the public health emergency

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Speaker 1: down completely using the public health emergency over COVID to

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Speaker 1: do it. You know, as I've said, he basically kinked

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Speaker 1: the public health emergency is now mitigated. Well, what happened

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Speaker 1: was it served as a magnet, and so folks saw

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Speaker 1: it as well, Trump's not letting anybody in. We better

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Speaker 1: perception that he had a porous border. That was the policy.

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Speaker 1: What did they do when they needed to tighten things up?

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Speaker 1: The point is is that they could tighten things up

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Speaker 1: if they chose to. Now, this was this was the

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Speaker 1: impact of the interest groups and there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of Look, I understand the empathy that many of these

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Speaker 1: certainly you had a Biden West wing led by run

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Speaker 1: And that's why I can tell you my sources that

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Speaker 1: When the approach that Jay Johnson used in during Obama's

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Speaker 1: second term to keep the border under control, not to

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Speaker 1: the border and order to the asylum system. Yes, ultimately

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Speaker 1: this is all on Congress, but my god, Congress is

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Speaker 1: at the root of all of our problems. Right. Congress's

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Speaker 1: inability to take control of the of tariffs are why

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Speaker 1: we're all paying more money at the grocery store. Congress's

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Speaker 1: inability to do any accountability on the Trump administration is

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Speaker 1: why paid to play is now the only way to

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Speaker 1: do business in Washington. And yes, Congress's inability to do

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Speaker 1: to add more and to try to bring some order

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Speaker 1: to modernize our immigration system is why this is essentially

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Speaker 1: resort here. So I totally understand your frustration, Kevin. But

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Speaker 1: that is why when I say that Biden failed at

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Speaker 1: the ultimate failure. But Biden's West wing did not did

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Speaker 1: not let DHS do the basics that could have minimized

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Speaker 1: some of that chaos that many of us saw at

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Speaker 1: the boarder. Next question comes from Scott's c and Placidus,

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Speaker 1: Quick question, do you think one reason Christy Nome is

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Speaker 1: still in Trump's orbit is that he has his site

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Speaker 1: set on Mount Rushmore, hasn't set it directly, but would

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Speaker 1: just don't think she has any role over that, but

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting theory, and certainly that's how she used

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Speaker 1: what Mount Rushmore would look like if they added a

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Speaker 1: fifth profile there. No, I think it is it is

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Speaker 1: Corey Lewandowski, and I think it's more of there was

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Speaker 1: Do you want somebody pissing on your ten or pissing

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Speaker 1: I'm batching this a little bit. And my apologies for

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Speaker 1: the terrible visual mom. I know you don't love when

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Speaker 1: I do some of these more shall we say, visually

858
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable metaphors. But the point being is if he cuts

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Speaker 1: Nome loose, that also means he will cut Corey Lewandowski's

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Speaker 1: first campaign manager loose. And Corey's a knife fighter. You

861
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Speaker 1: know he's not going to go down quietly. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's you know why is Kimberly Gilfoor an

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Speaker 1: ambassador Greece even though she's no longer the fiance of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump Junior. Because he doesn't want somebody filling themselves

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Speaker 1: with grievance, perhaps becoming good sources for people like me.

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Speaker 1: And in the first term, all the firings he did,

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Speaker 1: all those you know, where no staffer ever felt safe,

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Speaker 1: he ended up creating a lot of sources for a

869
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Speaker 1: lot of reporters. And so I do think the number

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Speaker 1: one thing that keeps Christy Nome's job safe is her

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Speaker 1: relationship with with her with with Corey Lewandowski, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not when I say relationship or professional relationship. I know

873
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Speaker 1: all the rumors that are around and all that stuff,

874
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: but the point being is I don't think Trump and

875
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Speaker 1: I think that some in the Trump White House don't

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Speaker 1: want a Corey Lewandowskia Christy Nome available to air dirty laundry.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Alex Why, and he writes, Hey,

878
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Speaker 1: I just finished listening to your recent podcast on sports betting.

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Speaker 1: I've been a fan of yours for at least past

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Speaker 1: decade and generally mische me press thank you. I'd love

881
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Speaker 1: to hear a deeper conversation on wealthy athletes and actors

882
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: endorsing industries that often harm people, like gambling, crypto and

883
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Speaker 1: insurance companies. My own experience with State Farm after the

884
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Speaker 1: line of fire showed how some companies actively hurt customers,

885
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Speaker 1: and it maybe question why high profile figures lend them credibility.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all the thoughtful work you do, Go pack, go

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Speaker 1: Alex Why, Well, it's interesting and look at somebody who's

888
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Speaker 1: wants you know, certainly needs advertisers to support what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: I want to keep everything free forever, all of you

890
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Speaker 1: whatever I'm doing, but I do try to make sure

891
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Speaker 1: that i'm you know, I certainly make sure I'm comfortable

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Speaker 1: with the companies. I'm a I'm going that you want

893
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Speaker 1: to associate themselves with me, and vice versa. I think

894
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Speaker 1: it's a I wonder if you're going to see some

895
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Speaker 1: athletes express regret in the next few years, just like you.

896
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Speaker 1: I think had some actors quietly realize that, you know,

897
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Speaker 1: what they did with Crypto and FTX was a bad luck. Right.

898
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Speaker 1: As many of you know, I've not been quiet about

899
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Speaker 1: my about my interest in the In the TV show Fallout,

900
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Speaker 1: one of the Walter Groggin's character, he plays you know,

901
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Speaker 1: sort of two timelines, right, and there's the pre the

902
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Speaker 1: pre sort of destruction of Earth as we know it

903
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Speaker 1: and the posts sort of the post apocalyptic Earth. And

904
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Speaker 1: in pre apocalyptor Earth, he's the spokesperson for the company

905
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Speaker 1: selling UH, selling access to these UH to these pods,

906
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Speaker 1: right that you know, these these pods that you would

907
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Speaker 1: live in, you know, these whatever they call them, and

908
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Speaker 1: you can see, you know, that's almost part of the storyline,

909
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Speaker 1: is it develops you can see as discomfort he's wondering

910
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Speaker 1: am I am I aligned with the wrong company? Am

911
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Speaker 1: I am I misleading people? Am I a spokesperson for uh,

912
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Speaker 1: essentially the Evil Doer? And it turns out, yes, he

913
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Speaker 1: was the spokesperson for the the Evil Doer. Look, I

914
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Speaker 1: think in this day, I believe we're entering a moment

915
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Speaker 1: where there's going to be you know that this is

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Speaker 1: a it's that the most unpopular figures in America are

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Speaker 1: going to be the corporate CEOs and the and the

918
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: big companies. Right now, you know, we're already we're we're

919
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Speaker 1: already only like our politicians, like people like me and

920
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: the media. I think business leaders are next, and and

921
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Speaker 1: you're starting to see it. But it's a it's a

922
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Speaker 1: it's a fair question. And I do think this conversation

923
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Speaker 1: on sports gambling, particularly mobile sports gambling, is one that's

924
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Speaker 1: going to get more traction because I do think the

925
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Speaker 1: more the the most effective conversation to have with the

926
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Speaker 1: public about sort of big tech is sort of the

927
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Speaker 1: harm how big tech is preying on our most are

928
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Speaker 1: on sort of the most on some of our most vulnerable,

929
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Speaker 1: right kids, young adults and older adults. And I think

930
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Speaker 1: that everything you're describing sort of the success of those

931
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Speaker 1: industries in many ways is uh is their banking on

932
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Speaker 1: essentially a lot of people that can't afford to be gambling,

933
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Speaker 1: to be gambling, and it's you know, it's a bummer

934
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Speaker 1: because like I said, I enjoy I enjoy gambling, but

935
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Speaker 1: I can afford to lose I don't. It was always,

936
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Speaker 1: you know, you're always taught, don't gamble any don't gamble

937
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Speaker 1: any money you can't afford to lose. Uh. And and

938
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Speaker 1: I think we all need to do a better job

939
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Speaker 1: of expressing that to folks, particularly younger people, particularly you know,

940
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Speaker 1: in your in your family orbit reminding people of that

941
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Speaker 1: all the time, not just some of the time, and

942
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Speaker 1: not just you know, uh once or twice at the end.

943
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Speaker 1: Thanks to speed up legal legal ease that says call

944
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Speaker 1: one eight hundred New York Hope or whatever it is,

945
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Speaker 1: you know, if you've got a gambling problem, perhaps they

946
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be just I can't tell you how many podcasts

947
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Speaker 1: where I noticed they put they put all of it

948
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Speaker 1: now at the very end of the podcast. They don't

949
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Speaker 1: do it during the gambling at itself. The fact that

950
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Speaker 1: that's allowed is probably it's probably a mistake there, but

951
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Speaker 1: it's a fair question. And I wonder if celebrities will

952
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Speaker 1: start to be a bit more discerning on at least

953
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Speaker 1: some of them, probably the higher profile celebrities. Some people, Hey, look,

954
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Speaker 1: you know, everybody's got a price. We all do. Don't

955
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Speaker 1: think you you know, some of you may say, not me,

956
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Speaker 1: We all do. Maybe our price is super high and

957
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: it takes over, you know, and you know, but everybody's

958
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Speaker 1: got a price, all right, Jim for Michigan. With Democrats

959
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Speaker 1: pulling out record low approval, could the best strategy for

960
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Speaker 1: holding or flipping seats be for moderates to follow Dan

961
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Speaker 1: Osborne's lead and run as independence. As Joe Manchin pointed out,

962
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Speaker 1: the party label alone can be disqualifying in red states.

963
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Wooden candidates like Shared Brown, Mallory McMorrow, John Asso, James

964
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Speaker 1: Salarico's stand a better chance this way, especially when party

965
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: in I think sometimes turns on them unfairly. Jim from Michigan, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's certainly what I thought in places like it was

967
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Speaker 1: one of the questions I put to Rob sand when

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Speaker 1: he was on this podcast. He's the likely Democratic nominee

969
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Speaker 1: for governor in Iowa. Uh And I think that, you know,

970
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: while he's been a Democrat and elected as a Democrat,

971
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Speaker 1: if he ran as an eye, I think it's a

972
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Speaker 1: virtue signal that would probably help him in that race, right,

973
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: But it does get you know, I do think there

974
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Speaker 1: is a brand issue, and I do think independent can

975
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: have a halo effect, but it is you know, I

976
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: think that you know, the biggest challenge in it when

977
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Speaker 1: it comes to this growing independent movement is so you

978
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: heard Paul say it, right, You've sort of where twenty

979
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: seven percent d twenty seven percent are essentially forty five

980
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Speaker 1: to forty six percent independent. But if you put those

981
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Speaker 1: forty six percent of independence on an ideological spectrum, you'd

982
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Speaker 1: have about half of them would call themselves would probably

983
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Speaker 1: be self described moderates, but about a quarter would call

984
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Speaker 1: themselves conservative, and about a quarter would call themselves liberal.

985
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Speaker 1: And so, you know, would I like to see an

986
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Speaker 1: independent candidate run more as a constitutionalist and saying, look,

987
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: this is more about restoring congressional authority, restoring the representative

988
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: part of the representative democracy. You know, it's now sometimes

989
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to motivate voters on process right, voters at

990
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're all, you know, one

991
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: of the other things that I say I've learned all

992
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: the time, is what is this little thing taught me?

993
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: We're all a little bit narcissistic because we all think

994
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: what's happening around us is important enough to share. But

995
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: it also means we're all sort of looking what's the

996
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: benefit to us, And it's been hard to translate how

997
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: a function in Congress will eventually be a benefit to you.

998
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: And so running is the person that's going to pledge

999
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: to actually restore Article one in the Constitution. It's not

1000
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: the sexiest message. And at the end of the day, people,

1001
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's like when when Kamala Harris

1002
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: closed on the democracy message, right rather than an affordability

1003
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: message at the end of her presidential campaign. You know,

1004
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: I remember talking with some voters who said, look, I

1005
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: care about the democracy, but you know, I don't have

1006
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: the luxury to worry about it. In addition to worrying

1007
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: about paying the paying the grocery bill. You know, I've

1008
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: got the luxury to be frustrated and outraged about the

1009
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: current situation we're in because I don't have a trauma

1010
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: at my house that I'm dealing with, or or an

1011
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: unexpected healthcare bill or something like that, And I think

1012
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Speaker 1: that that's what's made I think that's what makes appealing

1013
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: as an independent very difficult, because you almost feel the

1014
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: need you've got to criticize both parties. Then you come

1015
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: across as both sides are and it's just it's, you know,

1016
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Speaker 1: I think it's more doable for governors. And I say

1017
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Speaker 1: it in that I do think that I think you'll

1018
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: when you hear this, you'll have already heard my little

1019
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: rant about how I do think that you'll see in

1020
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Speaker 1: a South Dakota. Yeah, an independent center candidate is going

1021
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: to be more appealing than a Democratic Senate candidate. You know,

1022
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: the question is can Democrats expand their brand to in

1023
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: such a way that it's perfectly normal for them to

1024
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: have guys like Joe Manchin. Look, the Democratic Party of

1025
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties was that way, and you know,

1026
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: arguably they're even and you know there was both parties

1027
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: were a little more ideologically diverse when I was younger,

1028
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: and that lack of perceived ideological diversity is what's driven

1029
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: so many people to say, you know what, I'm an independent.

1030
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: I can't associate with them with the Democrats because they've

1031
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 1: both been defined. Their brains have been defined by their extremes. Right,

1032
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: the Republican Party has been defined by MAGA and Trump.

1033
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: Democratic Party is more defined right now by its progressives

1034
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: than it is by its moderates. And so I think

1035
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: that that's you know, can can a party successfully rebrand

1036
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: itself as ideologically diverse without coming accus across as a

1037
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: mush or a squash? And I think that's been a

1038
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Speaker 1: huge challenge. Last question comes from Dakota. He goes, hey,

1039
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Speaker 1: I always appreciate your thought takes. What about my unthoughtful takes?

1040
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: The coda? All right, I don't always share the unthoughtful ones.

1041
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: Utah Republicans recently passed a lot to expand the state

1042
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, already filled with chop appointees to protect jerrymandered maps.

1043
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: Doesn't that class with Governor Spencer Cotts and disagree? Better

1044
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: image and he just another politician playing a centrist? Could

1045
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: this open the door for Democrats to make their own

1046
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: moves on court packing? The fact of the matter is

1047
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: the answer to what you're saying is yes, right, which

1048
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: is what opened the door for Democrats to go harder

1049
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: on jerrymandering. Texas decided to open the door in jerrymandering.

1050
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is where I as sort

1051
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Speaker 1: of somebody who sees himselves more as a political reformer

1052
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: than anything else. If you're going to try to force

1053
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: me to sort of saying, what activist role would you

1054
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: want to play outside of journalists, and it would be

1055
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Speaker 1: political reformer. Right, We've got and you've heard me rant

1056
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: about these various reforms. I think, you know, we should

1057
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: truly have a judiciary that is filled with referees, So

1058
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Speaker 1: we should probably you know, Spring Court justice probably should

1059
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: need seventy five votes to get confirmation. If you truly

1060
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Speaker 1: want a justice that is not that is as neutral

1061
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Speaker 1: as you can possibly find, make them get seventy five

1062
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Speaker 1: votes and you're and you're likely to have something like that.

1063
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Speaker 1: So yes, if they do this and a Spencer Cox

1064
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Speaker 1: right who sort of then you're going to see others

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Speaker 1: try to do But this is not healthy for our democracy.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think Look, I look forward to speaking

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Speaker 1: with Governor Cox pretty soon. I'm hopeful to get him

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Speaker 1: on one of my shows, either the podcast or a

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Speaker 1: new sphere in the fairly near future. I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 1: him about this because I think you're right. I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's sort of like, do we have anybody that

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Speaker 1: wants to you know, look, I'll take an ideologue left

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Speaker 1: or right if you still will put the Constitution first.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's let's just say, I expect

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Speaker 1: better out of Spencer Cox. I need to learn more

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Speaker 1: about this, about this idea of expanding their state Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: But I think one thing we've learned in politics is

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Speaker 1: that both parties are copycatters, and when one does it,

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Speaker 1: the other is going to do it. And that's been

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Speaker 1: you know, one of my big concerns that Democrats decide,

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Speaker 1: if you can't beat Trump, join them, and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: they'll do They'll find their own billionaires and they'll find

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Speaker 1: their own pay to players, and we're going to have

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Speaker 1: this like, okay, you purged everybody from this board. We're

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Speaker 1: going to purge everybody from this board. And you did that.

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Speaker 1: You know, eventually it's going to make government even more

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Speaker 1: dysfunctional than it appears now if we continue down this road.

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Speaker 1: So you know, like I said, I'm trying to be realistic.

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Speaker 1: I know, trying to create a campaign message that's about

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Speaker 1: political reform and fairness ain't sexy but it is something

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Speaker 1: we need, which is why I think. Fine, that's the

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Speaker 1: role I'll play. That's what you know, that's what I

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Speaker 1: will continue to use my podcast to do. All Right,

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Speaker 1: that's good this week for questions on this front. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I got to take this next question because it's from Bloomington, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why I have to take the

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Speaker 1: question from Bloomington, Illinois, because that's where my mother was born.

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Speaker 1: In Bloomington, Illinois. I've my grandfather had a family business

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Speaker 1: that he started in Bloomington, Illinois, clothing store there. So Bloomington,

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Speaker 1: So this next question comes. It's greetings from Bloomington, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: It's very smart by Lucas to lead with the Bloomington

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Speaker 1: Illinois so it ended up sneaking a sixth questionnaire. He says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: as a public school teacher and proud Army veteran, I'm

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Speaker 1: increasingly concerned that too many schools are failing our students

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Speaker 1: and that's a real threat to our democracy. What can

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Speaker 1: be done to modernize education for today's world? Also, why

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Speaker 1: isn't there more momentum around creating some form of mandatory

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Speaker 1: national service to help American see each other as fellow

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Speaker 1: citizens and not strangers. Thanks Lucas well. I hope you've

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Speaker 1: heard the conversation I had with rom Emmanuel earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: because we we went deep on education. I think I

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Speaker 1: was at a an off the record setting with a

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Speaker 1: former cabinet secretary and a former governor, a Democrat who said,

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Speaker 1: you know who was talking about all the different things

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Speaker 1: that Democrats need to sort of speak a little more

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Speaker 1: truth to power, and one of them was lamenting the

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Speaker 1: fact that we've not really done We've not you know,

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Speaker 1: the public the basic design of America's public school system

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01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: hasn't changed in one hundred years. That we've not modernized it.

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Speaker 1: We've not you know, you know, when I was just

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Speaker 1: finished in college, I think most people thought we were

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Speaker 1: going to have, you know, that the public school system

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Speaker 1: was going to expand from K through twelve to K

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Speaker 1: through fourteen, meaning that there was going to be some

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Speaker 1: form of a thirteenth and fourteenth grade. Maybe we would

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Speaker 1: call it the first two years of communities, maybe be

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Speaker 1: community college, whatever it was, but that there was going

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Speaker 1: to be a that we were going to essentially add

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Speaker 1: two years to the public education system. Maybe it's college credits,

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Speaker 1: technical credits, and we never did right, We never got full.

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Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, I look at the

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Speaker 1: school system I grew up in in Miami Dade and

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Speaker 1: I think Miami Dade County, and it is turned into

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Speaker 1: a four tiered school system that is as follow as

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Speaker 1: you got the private schools and you have the wealthy

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Speaker 1: have access to that, you have charter schools and magnet schools,

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Speaker 1: and that takes parents to know how to navigate and

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Speaker 1: how to figure out which one works best for their kid,

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Speaker 1: and the application process and how to get into a

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Speaker 1: magnet or how to you know, how to qualify for

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Speaker 1: a magnet, or how to get accepted into a charter,

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Speaker 1: which is a quasi application process. And then the fourth

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Speaker 1: tier is just if you if you can't get into

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Speaker 1: a magnet or a charter or a private, you're just

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01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: stuck with whatever schools left. And those schools what I've

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01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: never understood. And my old high schools turned into one

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01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: of these where they didn't become a magnet, and it

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01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: just sort of deteriorated over time. The schools in that

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Speaker 1: were that became magnet schools for something, maybe for the arts,

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01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: maybe for stem, maybe for they've even had one for

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Speaker 1: like you know, meteorology and coding, all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: Having those magnet schools rose the success rate of the

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Speaker 1: entire school system, of the that entire school And I

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01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: do think the magnet system, of all the different experiments

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Speaker 1: has been was the one that was open to everybody. Right.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't fully gaming the system, but it was a

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Speaker 1: reminder every school should be a magnet for something. Every

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Speaker 1: school should have a specialty in something. There's also this

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Speaker 1: issue of age, right, which is you know, there's there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more there's a lot more research that indicates

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Speaker 1: everybody learns at different paces, and some people need fifteen

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Speaker 1: years to get through twelve years of school and some

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Speaker 1: people maybe need ten years to get through twelve years

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Speaker 1: of school. But we've not, you know, we continue and

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Speaker 1: certainly the socialization matters a lot, and there's plenty of

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Speaker 1: studies that indicate that you know, that's that also can

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01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: be stunting, right if you if people aren't with their

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01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: peers every step of the way, But we created you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's held us back into figuring out how

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Speaker 1: to you know, if the goal is like what's the

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Speaker 1: best way to teach kids hard stop? Right, and you

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Speaker 1: know whether it's Look, Rom Emmanuel I thought put it

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Speaker 1: pretty well, and he said, you know, the Republican answer

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Speaker 1: in education has simply been gout the public school system

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Speaker 1: and just go vouchers and let people decide on their own,

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Speaker 1: you know, essentially, let a market sort of decide which

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Speaker 1: are the good schools and which are the bad schools.

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Speaker 1: And he said, and the Democrats gave up on accountability, right,

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Speaker 1: They pushed back against teacher testing, push back against student testing.

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Speaker 1: And now you're starting to see maybe student testing is back.

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Speaker 1: That Rom sounded like he missed No Child Left Behind,

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Speaker 1: which was a famous Bush initiative that he passed with

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Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy. But for whatever reason, education has fallen off

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Speaker 1: the national conversation. And I know that obviously, in education

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Speaker 1: is one of those issues that are yes, we all

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01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: know it's locally controlled, but it is an important issue.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the top three issues for most people

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Speaker 1: under the age of fifty they got kids in school.

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Speaker 1: Usually in that matters. In fact, I think one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why Republicans have made inroads with Latinos is

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Speaker 1: you do any poll of Latinos and usually the top

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Speaker 1: two issues are the economy and education in some order,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats basically for the last fifteen years have just

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Speaker 1: stopped talking about education nationally. Rob and I talked about

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Speaker 1: this on my podcast earlier this week. Republicans are the

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Speaker 1: ones talking about it, you know, And I think it

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Speaker 1: explains why you've seen Latinos be open to supporting Republicans,

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Speaker 1: because Latinos have been more open to school choice. They

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Speaker 1: want good education, whatever it takes. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like, what's the best energy policy all of

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01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,799
Speaker 1: the above, what's the best education policy all of the above.

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Speaker 1: And I think ultimately that's what we all want to hear. Now.

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Speaker 1: As for your national service, and count me in, I've

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Speaker 1: you know, I think mandatory national service. I think when

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Speaker 1: you look at the incredible devotion Israelis have for their citizenship,

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: they all have to serve, right for two years, they

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: basically have a mandatory national service. It and look, they

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01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: have messy politics, but it does create an identity. And

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Speaker 1: I think when we had the draft, uh sort of

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Speaker 1: forced national military service if you will, for many basically

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Speaker 1: for you know, my generation is the first one that

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Speaker 1: didn't get didn't have to deal with a mandatory draft. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: my father did my grandfather did, my grandfather's, my great

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Speaker 1: grandfather all ended up drafted or eligibly drafted. Now, no

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Speaker 1: one's saying we should go back to a military draft,

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Speaker 1: although I do think that sharing that, but mandatory national

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Speaker 1: service where you have Right America and Blue America kids

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Speaker 1: and from both of those areas working together, maybe in

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Speaker 1: a rural school, maybe in an urban school, maybe cleaning

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Speaker 1: up a river, maybe helping to build housing, maybe to

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Speaker 1: work at a food kitchen, whatever it is, but service

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Speaker 1: to the country. Look, I think citizenship when you go

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Speaker 1: to Israel, When you visit Israel. Remember the first time

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Speaker 1: I went to Israel, it really hit me that citizenship

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Speaker 1: was active there. Whatever you whatever your opinion is about

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government, Israeli citizens, they take their citizenship seriously

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Speaker 1: because you know, they got to keep their head on

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Speaker 1: a swivel. I do think national service would help us

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Speaker 1: collectively value our citizenship more citizenship. There's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of work that comes with it, not a lot, but

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Speaker 1: a little bit. And if you know, ultimately, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like I say this to if you don't like

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Speaker 1: what you know, it's on you. Ultimately, everybody plays a

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01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: role here. You can't hope some politician bails, you know,

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Speaker 1: fixes this problem, or some celebrity or some member of

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01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: the press. It's going to do your job. You gotta

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Speaker 1: do do the job. And I do think national service.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to see who's who are the big advocates

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Speaker 1: for national service. George W. Bush was I don't think

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Speaker 1: Trump thinks about it. Wes Moore is doing a pilot state,

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Speaker 1: basically a National service like project. You know, essentially in

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Speaker 1: exchange for National service, you get two years of free

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Speaker 1: college something like that. Right, you do what you do.

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01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: You know, that's you give to the country, country gets

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Speaker 1: back to you, sort of almost a GI bill for

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Speaker 1: the country. And yeah, I think it would lessen polarization.

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Speaker 1: It's not a full depolarization, but I think it would

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Speaker 1: lessen polarization. But here's the most important thing, Lucas. My

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Speaker 1: favorite question of the day came from somebody from Bloomington, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: It's going to make my family very happy. Smart question,

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01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: pro very patriotic question, very important question, touching a lot

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Speaker 1: of nerves. And I looked, there's no This is why

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Speaker 1: I'm always an advocate of military veterans running for office,

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Speaker 1: because I think they understand the importance of the first

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Speaker 1: hand they've gotten, They've seen the importance of just and chip.

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Speaker 1: They've also they they serve with people that are liberal, conservative, red, blue, rural, urban, black, white, Hispanic,

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Speaker 1: jew Christian, Muslim. You get my point, and all of

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Speaker 1: them have each other's back, and if they don't, they

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Speaker 1: all get hurt. Right, So you know it better than

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Speaker 1: most being an Army veteran, Lucas, so you get it.

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Speaker 1: But we all need to get it better. And I

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Speaker 1: think national service, you know, it is is a I

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Speaker 1: think it's something we need now more than ever because

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01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: of this, you know, sort of the lost faith we've

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Speaker 1: had in each other, lost faith we have in our democracy,

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Speaker 1: and maybe this is a way to a way to

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Speaker 1: take a step to try to repair it. Well with that,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a much better note to end on. Look,

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Speaker 1: it's the big light sports weekend. I will just say

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Speaker 1: here I am I'm I love the Olympics. My friends

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Speaker 1: at the Gold Zone. I love the Gold Zone. This

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Speaker 1: is the you know, man, I love when the Olympics

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Speaker 1: are in Europe because you get up in the morning

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Speaker 1: on the East Coast Saturday morning, by the way, you know,

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Speaker 1: I get up early, no matter what, because I've got

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Speaker 1: dogs that are going to get up no matter what. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I'm getting up early, get that coffee going, and

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Speaker 1: the Olympics are off and there's active stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: And what I love about the Gold Zone is, look,

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Speaker 1: I you know, the sappy stories are nice and all

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Speaker 1: of this, and I know some people love the sort

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Speaker 1: of the soap opera of the Olympics. I like the competition.

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Speaker 1: And what's great about the Gold Zone is they go

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Speaker 1: to competition and it's not always just follow the Americans.

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Speaker 1: They just wherever there's a gold medal competition happening, they

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Speaker 1: take it to it. So you end up getting to

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Speaker 1: see a variety of sports. So look, I know there's

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Speaker 1: no football and we're all pining. You know, some of

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Speaker 1: us are going to be bummed out about that. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, the Olympics are terrific. And the technology,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the ability to follow these skiers now and

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff and all the different camera angles

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Speaker 1: that you have and the GoPros, it's unbelievable. It's an

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Speaker 1: incredible experience to watch on TV these days. In fact,

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Speaker 1: it's scary that it is. The Olympics are much better

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Speaker 1: to see, and I think on TV than they are

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Speaker 1: in person, unless you have a family member competing, it's

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Speaker 1: that good. And hey, we're two weeks from March Madness beginning,

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Speaker 1: so you got to start thinking about those brackets. You

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Speaker 1: got to if you want to try to do well,

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Speaker 1: you got to start watching some of these. And we're

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Speaker 1: getting We're in the heart of conference season, and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing more fun than watching a ranked team go on

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Speaker 1: the road try to win a conference road game. Because

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Speaker 1: the toughest thing in sports, I think the toughest thing

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Speaker 1: at all of college sports is to win a conference

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Speaker 1: road game. And I don't care how good you are

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Speaker 1: and how bad the team is, it is there's nothing

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Speaker 1: like going into an enemy arena. The crowd gets fired up,

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Speaker 1: students just want to storm the court. I do think

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Speaker 1: my friends at the University of Miami didn't need to

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Speaker 1: be storming a court after beating North Carolina. You should

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Speaker 1: expect to beat North Carolina at home. So I do

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Speaker 1: think we're court storming a bit too much. But I

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Speaker 1: know I've got plenty to watch this weekend, So whether

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Speaker 1: it's a couple of great college basketball games or the

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Speaker 1: Gold Zone, that's how I'm going to be spending my

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Speaker 1: sports weekend. Yes, I'll miss a little bit of football,

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Speaker 1: but you know I've got my side house of lun

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Speaker 1: sports cards to keep me busy as well. So with that,

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Speaker 1: I'll see in seventy two hours