1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Native Landpod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 3: Thank you, Governor Shapiro for that warm wealth. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 4: But somehow a neighbor of mine, and I tell him 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 4: this when I see him, he says, you know, your 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 4: hair looks really nice like that. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 5: You don't have to wear a street. 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 4: And it was that conversation at sixty first in Baltimore 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 4: that gave me the confidence to try something new for myself. 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 4: And I had no idea at the time that there 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 4: would ever be an opportunity to change the law in 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 4: the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. And I'll tell you my mother 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 4: when I left the house at now, what's this law 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 4: really going to do? How is it going to really 16 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 4: help people? And how is it going to change things 17 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania? And I had to run because I. 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 5: Was a little late. 19 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 4: But Mom, if you're watching, this is going to help 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 4: people by making sure that wherever you work or wherever 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 4: you're applying for a job, they can't look at your 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 4: hair and size you up, not based on your qualifications 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 4: and all of the professional development you have and all 24 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 4: of your education. 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: They will not look at your hair and decide you 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: can't work here. 27 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 5: That's right. 28 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 4: They will not look at your hair and decide you 29 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 4: don't belong in this c suite. They will not look 30 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: at your hair and say you can't be in the boardroom. 31 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 4: So I don't know if the headlines get to Heaven, 32 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 4: but if they do, I hope my grandmother gets to 33 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 4: see this moment. 34 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 5: Welcome home, y'all. 35 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: It is an honor to be with you after the holiday. 36 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: I hope you ate well and we're able to find 37 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: something to celebrate in such a challenging. 38 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 5: Time in this country. This was one of mine. 39 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: Recently, the Kronacts just passed and was signed into law 40 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: by Governor Joshapiro in Pennsylvania right before the holiday on 41 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: November twenty fifth, and I am thrilled to be able 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: to have this conversation today with facts. 43 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 5: There's a lot going on out there. 44 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: Talking about this law and why it matters, and you 45 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: really need to be talking about hair discrimination, and yes, 46 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: we actually do. Case inpoint is one particular example that 47 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: struck my core. 48 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 5: In Texas. 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: There's a young man by the name of Daryl George, 50 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: and I want you to hear this story. 51 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 6: Seventeen year old Texas High school student Darryl George will 52 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 6: continue in school suspension Monday after his school says he's 53 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 6: in violation of their dress code for having dreadlocks. George 54 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 6: attends Barber's Hill High School near Houston, where the dress 55 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 6: code includes condition that boys' hair should not extend past 56 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 6: their eyebrows or below their ears. Darryl's mother, Darysha George, 57 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 6: has said that her son's been suspended since August thirty first, 58 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 6: when he was first told he needed to cut his hair. 59 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 6: It's the same week Texas has passed the Crown Act, 60 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 6: which prohibits employers in schools from discriminating and penalizing people 61 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 6: because of hair textures or protective styles such as dreadlocks 62 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 6: or braids. Texas is one of twenty four states that 63 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 6: have enacted a version of this law. The school has 64 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 6: argued that their dress code does not violate the law 65 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 6: because it does not mention length. They also say it 66 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 6: is designed to prevent distractions and still discipline and teach authority. 67 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 6: The George family argues the policy as prejudice against its 68 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 6: black students. 69 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: So in that story, you heard that at that point 70 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: twenty four states have passed their versions of the Crown Act. 71 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: Now after Pennsylvania signed their built into law that leaves 72 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: us at twenty seven states. I I want you to 73 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: hear from the creator, the strategists behind this very very 74 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: powerful work with this clip and then something right after morning. 75 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 7: I am doctor azilib Asamoa, and I am known as 76 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 7: the Crown Act Champion and scholar. If a smile does 77 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 7: not give it away, I am overjoyed to be here today, 78 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 7: especially to enact something that is so near and dear 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 7: to my heart, in the city where I. 80 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: Have lived and grown and not too far. 81 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 8: Away from my alma mater at some point, university that 82 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 8: helped prepare me to do the work I have done 83 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 8: since I left the nest. This public policy campaign is 84 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 8: my brainchild and a nationwide effort I have led since 85 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 8: twoenty eighteen. Determining it was necessary to change the law 86 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 8: to help redress the long standing and problematic practice of 87 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 8: racial discrimination in the form. 88 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 5: Of hair discrimination. 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 8: I subsequently developed the national legislative, social impact and coalition 90 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 8: building strategies for this movement because for too long, a 91 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 8: myopic notion of professionalism and Eurocentric standards of beauty have 92 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 8: perpetuated racial inequity and exclusion. 93 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: Too many black children have. 94 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 8: Been suspended and missed what should be valuable instruction time 95 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 8: because their hair worn in ways that are aligned with 96 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 8: their racial identity have been deemed a violation of school rules. See. 97 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: Too many black adults, as the Governor. 98 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 8: Shared, have been passed over for promotions, had offers of 99 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 8: employment rescinded, and even been fired for showing up authentically. 100 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 8: And with an undeniable correlation between the use of chemical 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 8: relaxers and the increased likelihood of developing uterine fibroids and cancer, 102 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 8: the cost of conformity is simply too expensive. This is 103 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 8: my baby, but even as a policymaker and architect, it's 104 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 8: something I am very clear I could not deliver on 105 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 8: my own and I genuinely could not dream of a 106 00:05:53,080 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 8: better team or I've been working with for decades, Senator 107 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 8: Benson Hughes. Because black men in politics matter. Yes, Yes 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 8: to my dear sister and service who I am thrilled 109 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 8: to call Madam Speaker, and to my sister and social action. 110 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: Better joining us now is doctor Azua b Is Samoa, 111 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: who is again the brainchild behind the Crown Act and 112 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: is joining us today. I also get to call her 113 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: sister've been proud of this work for so many years. 114 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: Azuauld talk about the path to fifty states. I know 115 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: we're at twenty seven, and you know it's just like 116 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: when somebody first gets married and their parents like so 117 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: when the kids coming right. So you got the real 118 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: fie in the losses Uh in Philadelphia, I mean in Pennsylvania, 119 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: but it was signed actually in a shop in Philly. 120 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: I know that that is close. It's so important to 121 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: you given your connection to the state. But talk about 122 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: where you see the path going forward, especially in the 123 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: age we live in right now. 124 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 8: Well, first, let me just thank you for lifting the issue. 125 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 8: It is because people talk about it that it is 126 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 8: so successful. As you shared, it is my brain child. 127 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 8: But as you saw in the clip, it is not 128 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 8: something that I can do alone. So I conceptualize the idea, 129 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 8: developed a national legislative, social impact and coalition building strategy 130 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 8: for the movement, and have been leading it since twenty eighteen. 131 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 8: A couple things are important. One it is the twenty 132 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 8: eighth state. I should note I to pass a version 133 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 8: of the Crown Act. And I say version because not 134 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 8: every state actually has the Crown Act. I get to 135 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 8: say which ones are and are not the chron Act 136 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 8: or a couple don't. But twenty eight states have outlawed 137 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 8: race based hair discrimination in some form or fashion, meaning 138 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 8: literally laws. It is important to note a couple of 139 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 8: things as well. We know that we don't have the votes. 140 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 8: I only deal in electoral politics because I can about 141 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 8: the implications related to policy. 142 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: So we got to work to. 143 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 8: Elect people who will support a Crown Act or a 144 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 8: reparations or whatever issue you know is important to a 145 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 8: specific demographic. 146 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: That is who we work to elect. 147 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 8: And so again, the connection between politics and policy needs 148 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 8: to be known and can't be understated. This is a 149 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 8: strategy that is local, state, and federal. I have not 150 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 8: yet been able to pass it in the United States Senate. 151 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 8: It is important to note that it has passed in 152 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 8: the House twice. I have to lift the black men 153 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 8: in the movement. Obviously this issue disproportionately impacts black women. 154 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 8: But the two people I actually spoke to about this 155 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 8: before it was introduced in any state anywhere was former 156 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 8: Congressman Cedric Richmond and Senator Corey Booker. So I gotta 157 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 8: always shout out the brothers as I did with Senator 158 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 8: Vincent Hughes, who's my senator back in Philly. 159 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: Local, state and federal. 160 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 8: Where you do not have the votes on the federal level, 161 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 8: we work on the state level, where we do not 162 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 8: have the votes in the state legislature to pass it. 163 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 3: We work at the local level. 164 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 8: My goal is to extend statutory protection to our hair, 165 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 8: explicitly categorizing hair as a racial characteristic, so that the 166 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 8: maximum amount of coverage is obviously enacted and so more 167 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 8: people are protected. As we saw on that clip, I 168 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 8: had a naturally curly do today why and next week 169 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 8: I will have Senegalese twists. So I am working to 170 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 8: protect and preserve our rights to rock our crowns how 171 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 8: we see fit. 172 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: And again I thank you for lifting this issue in 173 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: this movement. 174 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: I I'm thrilled to do it. You know, it's fascinating 175 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: that you said, you know, this is something that of 176 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: course disproportionately impacts us. That is why I wanted to 177 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: pull the clip of the young man Darryl George in Texas, 178 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: because it also impacts young men first to know, and 179 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: so one of the things that I think to your 180 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: point about you know, the variations in our styles. When 181 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: I was at CNN Azua, I had a conversation with 182 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the woman who was over contributors, and I had my 183 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: hair done my cousin just bringing them up in cornrows. 184 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 5: She wanted to see if she get the parts right 185 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 5: or something. So I had corn. 186 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: Rows when I went on air, and the number of 187 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: black women who were like, thank you, sis, you know 188 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: you're making such a statement, and I'm like, I didn't 189 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: even I. 190 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: Just you know, I'm just showing up. 191 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: Two weeks after that, they came up with a standards 192 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: document for me. And the standards document wasn't just about 193 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: my makeup like it is for my white counterparts. 194 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 5: It's about how my hair is going to be worn right. 195 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: It needed to be blown out straight, you know, silk 196 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: pressed type situation. And I was like, yeah, I'm not 197 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: doing that, y'all, not about to burn my curls out. 198 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 5: And also I reserved the right to wear brads. 199 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: It's little black girls who are watching on air right 200 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: that expect to see themselves reflected authentically, So. 201 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 5: I'm not doing that. 202 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: Ended up being it wasn't a huge thing, but it 203 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: was enough to have a conversation about, and that in 204 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: and of itself annoyed me. There are many of our 205 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: sister friends who cannot have that conversation and work and 206 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: it be okay. And to that point, I want to 207 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: play this particular clip from Megan Kelly. She had something 208 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: to say about with Michelle Obama said, has. 209 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 9: There ever been a more racist person? Lady, She's a racist. 210 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 9: That's what we've learned about Michelle Obama. It was a 211 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 9: slow reveal, like we started to learn. First we found 212 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 9: out she doesn't like America, and then we found out 213 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 9: on her show she doesn't like her husband, I mean 214 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 9: at all. Then we started to find out she's really 215 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 9: obsessed with herself, she's somewhat narcissistic, and then we found 216 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 9: out she's a racist. 217 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: She really can't stand white people. 218 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 9: Every problem in her life is as a result of 219 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 9: some white person who she imagines is judging her, Like 220 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,239 Speaker 9: we're actually spending time thinking about whether. 221 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: Her hair is curly or straight. I had to do 222 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: this for you, Michelle, on behalf of all whites. We 223 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 3: have better things to do, So get over yourself. 224 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 5: I mean, it's so delusional. 225 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: So I want your reaction to that, And then I 226 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: actually want to play the clip she's talking about where 227 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama dealt with this on her book tour. 228 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 8: Initial thoughts, So reverse racism not a thing. The lack 229 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 8: of education is very clear in that clip two. I 230 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 8: have better things to do than to address a nonexistent problem. 231 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 8: The policing of black bodies, the effort to control them, 232 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 8: is something that has existed for as long as we've 233 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 8: been here this go round, I should say, because we 234 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 8: know we came before Columbus, that's known for this audience. 235 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 8: But when they brought us here enslaved, they have desecrated 236 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 8: our hair, They have referred to our hair. 237 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 3: As fur and wool. 238 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 8: We know that the problem predates all of us alive, 239 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 8: because they created a law in Louisiana that required black 240 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 8: women to cover our hair. 241 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: Now, the claim was. 242 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, it's so unsightly. We know that's not true. 243 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 8: Your men are checking always have been. So to sit 244 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,239 Speaker 8: there and to suggest that people are making up problems, 245 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 8: and I do this voluntarily. I have been funding this 246 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 8: movement for years. This is my passion project. To suggest 247 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 8: that I am out here working on something that you 248 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 8: know is not a real problem is absurd, But again, 249 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 8: so is shit. 250 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: That's the full point in period so on that speaking 251 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: of the absurdity of it all, because there are white 252 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: people who have not only thought about it, but develop 253 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: policies to keep our particular hairstyles and all of the 254 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: creativity and beauty that comes with it out of boardrooms, courtrooms, 255 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: school school, classrooms, all of the things. But this is 256 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: what Michelle Obama had to say about our hair embrace. 257 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: Let me explain something to white people. Our hair comes 258 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: out of our head naturally in a curly pattern. So 259 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: when we're straightening it to follow your beauty standards, we 260 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: are trapped. 261 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 3: By the straightness. That's why so many of us. 262 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: Can't swim and we run away from the water. People 263 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: won't go to the gym because we're trying to keep 264 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: our hair straight. For y'all, it is exhausting, and it's 265 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: so expensive, and it takes up so much time. Braids 266 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: are for y'all, so we can work harder and focus 267 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: on the work. So why do we need an act, 268 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: an act of law to tell white folks to get 269 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: out our hair. Don't don't tell me how to wear 270 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: my hair, don't wonder about it, don't touch it, just don't. 271 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: So solandro the song about it don't touch my hair. 272 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: And she's not, of course, saying that we don't need 273 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: the law. She's saying that we shouldn't need the law. 274 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: I don't think the brains are for white people. I 275 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: ain't never been for white people for me, but I 276 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: disagree with some of this clip. 277 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 5: But I do want to hear from you, doctor Azua. 278 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 8: I think we are probably aligned and that I obviously 279 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 8: reject the notion of conformity. I take issue with these 280 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 8: Eurocentric standards of beauty that suggests that we must conform 281 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 8: or again not be you know, upwardly mobile. They're always 282 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 8: talking about bootstrapping, but then you you know, want to 283 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 8: impose policies that you claim are you know, race neutral. 284 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 8: But we know that that's not true, and so I 285 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 8: don't subscribe to the thought that I have to. I 286 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 8: do again, maintain the right to embrace the full versatility 287 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 8: of my hair. I can go from one to another 288 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 8: to another style all in the matter of a week, 289 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 8: which is why again I am fighting to protect and 290 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 8: preserve our right to do what we want to do. 291 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 3: With our crowns. 292 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 8: You mentioned something that's critically important as it relates to 293 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 8: the child I call my son Darryl George, who came 294 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 8: up here, by the way, never posted about it or 295 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 8: really talked about it publicly, but I wanted him to 296 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 8: feel the love because he was isolated. He was criminalized 297 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 8: for rocking his locks. It was enraging on multiple fronts. 298 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 8: There are so many violations with that school district level policy. 299 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 8: Because the Act, the actual Crown Act, is law in Texas, 300 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 8: so they have the accurate Crown A, not legislation inspired 301 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 8: by it. 302 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: But this school district sought. 303 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 8: To impose a rule that infringes on people's rights on 304 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 8: multiple fronts, including on the gender front. My dissertation is 305 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 8: on this topic. So when I speak, I speak with authority, 306 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 8: not just as a practitioner, but as a scholar. There 307 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 8: is no credible research that suggests that the way one 308 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 8: wears his or her hair is correlated with the ability 309 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 8: to be able to be a good student, citizen, friend, scholar. 310 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 8: So there's no research that suggests that that is the truth. 311 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 8: What we have seen, however, when people want to side 312 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 8: step or attempt to side step, they very clear law 313 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 8: is We've seen people then come up with things like 314 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 8: length the Crown Act is written properly. I work with 315 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 8: brilliant attorneys to conduct research to ensure that the language 316 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 8: could withstand, you know, any sort of jurisdictional scrutiny, and 317 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 8: the Crown Act is written properly, but we've seen them 318 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 8: use length as a proxy for race. So in that 319 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 8: particular school district, which is the same one we should note, 320 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 8: is the same school district that told DeAndre Arnold that 321 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 8: he could not participate and his graduation exercises because he 322 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 8: wore locks, which for him, given his father's identity, was 323 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 8: a great source of ethnic pride. We've seen, you know, 324 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 8: I think the world kind of collectively gasped, or at 325 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 8: least members of our community did, watching a boy because 326 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 8: the adultification of black children is a real thing in 327 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 8: New Jersey. Who was forced to make a decision nobody 328 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 8: really should have to make, but certainly no child, and 329 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 8: that was to either allow for his identity to be 330 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 8: attacked and his locks cut by someone with no regard 331 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 8: for them, or to forfeit a match he had actually 332 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 8: earned the right to participate in. We've seen it time 333 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 8: and time again. Faithefity sent home in tears because she's 334 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 8: rocking box braids, cooked twins. Massachusetts repeatedly punished in school 335 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 8: suspension because they're rocking braids. This is not an imaginary problem. 336 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 8: We have enough issues in this country that we don't 337 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 8: need to pretend that racial discrimination in the form of 338 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 8: hair discrimination is a thing if it is not. And 339 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 8: so I get so sick and tired of people saying 340 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 8: that's not a thing and bringing in their mullets and 341 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 8: their mohawks and what have you, when I am being 342 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 8: very clear that this is about racial discrimination, not hairstyles. 343 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 8: If you want to wrap a lime green mullet, rock out, 344 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 8: but that's not what the Crown Act is about. The 345 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 8: Crown Act is about identifying our hair as a racial 346 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 8: characteristic explicitly and to extend the statutory protection to natural 347 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 8: hair and protective styles, which we know include you know, 348 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 8: a lot's braids, twists, band two nots et cetera. 349 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: This notion. 350 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 8: That we are making up issues is problematic and in 351 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 8: the case of Daryl George, his rights were violated and 352 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 8: we continue to fight and will not stop until he 353 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 8: is made whole, at least to the extent that it 354 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 8: is possible, as it relates to him losing access to 355 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 8: what was supposed to be what we call faith, which 356 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 8: is a free and appropriate public education. 357 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 5: I love it, AZEA. I want to do this next. 358 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes the Megan Kellys of the world feel comfortable engaging 359 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: in the type of hateful discourse, misinformed discourse at that 360 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: not only about our hair, but about our personhood. She's 361 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: regularly attacking black women on her platform. As you said, 362 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: reverse racism is not a thing, but sometimes there are 363 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: black people on their side of the equation. I don't 364 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: even call it the isle anymore because I don't know 365 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: what it is now the math and math and over there. 366 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: So as some of them over there that decide that 367 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: we are the problem. And there is a black woman 368 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: radio host by the name of Kathy. I don't know 369 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: her last name, but she's a radio host in Pennsylvania, 370 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: and she had this to say recently about the Crown 371 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: Act and it passage. Nick is saying, we don't have 372 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: the video, but I know there's a video because I 373 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: maybe I pulled the wrong thing, but I'm gonna pull 374 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: this video up. But the point is Kathy on this 375 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: on this tweet, she went on with her full wig 376 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: and it respectfully looks bad. It's Kathy Burnett. She said, 377 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: black people like these because the supposed to be me. 378 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 5: I think it's us because I like horn. 379 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: So black people like these people, by the way, make 380 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: it difficult for black people like me. When white people 381 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: see me, they think they're talking to these black people here. 382 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: So instead of talking to me about CAPEX and bad investments, infrastructure, 383 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: real estate opportunities, they try talking to me about hair racism. 384 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: You people are stupid, and so I wanted to bring 385 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: this forward. This woman ran against doctor Oz in twenty 386 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: twenty two. She says she's a homeschool a veteran. Let 387 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: me just blow this up so you guys can just 388 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: see what we're talking about. This is Kathy, and that's 389 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: Kathy's wig there. So I don't know if this can 390 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: help you, But maybe if Kathy set herself free and 391 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: became black people like us, she wouldn't have to put 392 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: that electrocution wig on her head. So anyway, but there 393 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: are several Kathy's right, I mean, on their side of 394 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: the equation. There are people who believe that us standing 395 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: up for ourselves, looking for equitable outcomes in terms of 396 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: how we present that we're being problematic in some way 397 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: by not conforming to these standards. 398 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 8: The idea of we can't talk about multiple issues is 399 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 8: one that I obviously reject. Does that mean that, because 400 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 8: you know I've been working on the crin ex since 401 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, that I wasn't the senior advisor for Racial 402 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 8: Equity at the US Department of Housing and Urban Development 403 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 8: to these Secretary of Marshall Elphunge. 404 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: No, it does not. Does it mean that I didn't 405 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: draft a racial equity. 406 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 8: Framework for the federal government on behalf of President Biden? 407 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: No, it does not. Does it' mean that this is 408 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 3: my only issue? It does not. 409 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 8: The Crime Act is not my first, it is not 410 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 8: even my last. It has high name recognition, and it's 411 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 8: my baby, and I'm proud of it and I'm happy 412 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 8: to talk about it. But this notion that you know, 413 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 8: we can't fight for liberation on one front and you 414 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 8: know also care about other issues is one that I 415 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 8: simply just dismiss. Folks who seek proximity to whiteness that 416 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 8: is their own challenge. I am also a licensed therapist. 417 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 8: I invite her to reach out to me, because you know, 418 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 8: the whole idea of self hatred is very real, and 419 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 8: so if she's struggling with some sort of challenge. I'm 420 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 8: happy to talk about that. We know that there are 421 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 8: psychological harms that come as a result of being in 422 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 8: this society for some people, certainly as a result of 423 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 8: race based hair discrimination, economic impact of course, being fired 424 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 8: for promotions in a society where we know that there 425 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 8: are a racial and gender pay gaps, physical harm. I 426 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 8: talked about it a little bit in terms of, you know, 427 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 8: we'd have to probably go back and get at least 428 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 8: a master's degree in chemistry to be able to read 429 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 8: the ingredients on the back of a chemical relaxer, noting 430 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 8: that there are disparities that are not up for discussion 431 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 8: between the use of those relaxers and the increased likelihood 432 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 8: of developing uterine cancer and fibroid and we know who 433 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 8: disproportionately suffers from those This idea that we can't talk 434 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 8: about one thing because we have other issues. 435 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: We've been juggling multiple issues since. 436 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 8: We arrived here, and so anybody who wants to push 437 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 8: this whole reverse racism nonsense, which we know again is 438 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 8: not a thing. 439 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: You can't just make up your own definition. 440 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 8: People who seek to say, you know, I am more 441 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 8: than okay, Well, for some people is a political statement. 442 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 8: For others, it is an accessory. For some it's a 443 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 8: sense of cultural pride. But she certainly is not the 444 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 8: authority on what we should be talking about as it 445 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 8: relates to race based hair discrimination because clearly, again as 446 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 8: you've shown her, wig requires attention. 447 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 5: Oh not. 448 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: Yes, and that's not the only week some of them 449 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: look better than others. But I did invite kathy On 450 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: to have this conversation, so I can understand why she 451 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: doesn't believe that we can walk in che gum at 452 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: the same time, are. 453 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with you more. 454 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for your work 455 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: on the Crown Act and beyond for all the things 456 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: you do for us in so many spaces known and unknown. 457 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: We are very grateful for you, even for those that 458 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: don't know that they need your support like this is 459 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: the right ear. We are grateful. So I love you, 460 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: says I. 461 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, amazing day. 462 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 8: And you must keep fighting the good fight on all 463 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 8: the fronts that we do because we know that black 464 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 8: liberation requires our collective effort. 465 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 5: It absolutely does. I see some thank you, y'all. 466 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: That's doctor Azu will be a samoas she is the 467 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: creator of the Crown Act. 468 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 5: She corrected me. 469 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: It is not twenty seven states, it is twenty eight 470 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: now that have passed some version of the Crown Act 471 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: or have prevented racial discrimination by hair in those varying states. 472 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: We know that there's still work to be done, and 473 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: hair is just one of the challenges that black folks 474 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: are facing in this country. 475 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 5: So we will continue to five. 476 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: We will continue to inform on this podcast and everywhere 477 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: else we can. What I want you to encourage, what 478 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: I want to encourage you all to do, is to 479 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: please make sure you are staying informed of these issues. 480 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: You never know how something may have traumatically impacted someone 481 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: in your own neighborhood, on your own block, in your 482 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: own family, in your state. 483 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 5: If you don't find out. 484 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: We should not make these blanket assumptions that why would 485 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: they have time to do something as frivolous. 486 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 5: Or as trivial as the Crown Act. It actually is 487 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 5: a big deal. 488 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: And again I would encourage you to talk to some 489 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: of your sisters, some of your friends to see how 490 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: hair discrimination has impacted them in some way. Yes, there 491 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: had to be a Crown Act because there's racial discrimination 492 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: around hair type in this country. Yes, Solange had to 493 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: write a song about it called Don't Touch My Hair. 494 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 5: Yes, many of us, from. 495 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: People we don't know, have had our hair touched and 496 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: we don't know why they wanted to see how the 497 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: stuff felt. That is normally white people reaching out and 498 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: touching someone that did not ask to be touched, and 499 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: it's their hair. So yes, there are some things that 500 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: we need to address in this country because what gives 501 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: someone the right to violate your personal space, your boundary, 502 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: to even have your hair touched? 503 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 5: Right? 504 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama talks about being in the White House and 505 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: feeling like she couldn't get braids the entire time she's there. 506 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: There's a beauty standard this country has and we have 507 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: to deal with that too. Why is it that braids 508 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: aren't seen to be permissible in corporate America, in the 509 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: halls of Congress, right, or even on air on some 510 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: of your favorite networks. These are the types of conversations 511 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: that we absolutely should have. It should not be a 512 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: revolutionary act for you to wear your hair how you 513 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: want to wear a hair. So today, as you go forth, 514 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: I would encourage you all to do you the best way. 515 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: You don't how to be bold, to be beautiful, to 516 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: be bad Michael Jackson Bad. 517 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 5: Oh kids, look it up. 518 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: Because it's very, very important that we continue to exercise 519 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: and embody the power that is our God given right. 520 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: So until next time, y'all, welcome home. I'll see you 521 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: selling my co hosts. Native Lampard is a production of 522 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: Iheartrati in partnership with Reason Choice Media. 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