1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:14,685 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello. Oh my god, dude, I'm digging 2 00:00:14,685 --> 00:00:17,765 Speaker 1: out my emergency pack of cigarettes right now. Oh jeez, 3 00:00:18,205 --> 00:00:20,485 Speaker 1: I am like on the edge of my seat, Like, 4 00:00:20,645 --> 00:00:23,405 Speaker 1: what is going on. I'm like I was supposed to 5 00:00:23,445 --> 00:00:26,005 Speaker 1: go to tennis today. I'm walking around just like pacing 6 00:00:26,045 --> 00:00:32,925 Speaker 1: like a caged animal. Hey, guys, I know that we're 7 00:00:32,925 --> 00:00:35,965 Speaker 1: in the middle of season three, but as many of 8 00:00:35,965 --> 00:00:39,645 Speaker 1: you may have already heard, after sixteen years, there has 9 00:00:39,725 --> 00:00:42,445 Speaker 1: finally been an arrest in connection with the murder of 10 00:00:42,485 --> 00:00:46,005 Speaker 1: Rebecca Gold. That's the case that we covered in season one. 11 00:00:47,925 --> 00:00:49,765 Speaker 1: For those of you who have been following the Hell 12 00:00:49,805 --> 00:00:53,685 Speaker 1: and Gone podcast, you'll remember that it all started in 13 00:00:53,725 --> 00:00:57,725 Speaker 1: a small town in the Ozarks just over two years ago. 14 00:00:58,125 --> 00:01:01,405 Speaker 1: I was sitting in Mountain View, Arkansas, in the satellite 15 00:01:01,445 --> 00:01:05,285 Speaker 1: office of the Arkansas State Police investigator, who was at 16 00:01:05,285 --> 00:01:09,365 Speaker 1: that time in charge of Rebecca's case. I looked at 17 00:01:09,365 --> 00:01:12,725 Speaker 1: the shelf and saw the binder with Rebecca's name on it. 18 00:01:13,445 --> 00:01:17,805 Speaker 1: There was literal dust on that case file. Rebecca was 19 00:01:17,845 --> 00:01:21,525 Speaker 1: twenty two years old when she disappeared on September twenty, two, 20 00:01:21,525 --> 00:01:26,165 Speaker 1: thousand and four. A week later, her body was found. 21 00:01:27,045 --> 00:01:30,885 Speaker 1: I've been obsessed with this case for years. My dad 22 00:01:30,925 --> 00:01:34,645 Speaker 1: and sister live in the area, and because my sister 23 00:01:34,725 --> 00:01:37,965 Speaker 1: and Rebecca's sister are close friends, I heard about the 24 00:01:38,045 --> 00:01:43,845 Speaker 1: murder shortly after it happened. Years dragged on, the case 25 00:01:43,925 --> 00:01:47,245 Speaker 1: remained cold, and I never could get past the fact 26 00:01:47,565 --> 00:01:51,165 Speaker 1: that in such a small town, no one was ever convicted. 27 00:01:52,205 --> 00:01:54,285 Speaker 1: This is the case that led me to get my 28 00:01:54,325 --> 00:01:59,325 Speaker 1: PI license and began my true crime obsession and ultimately 29 00:01:59,765 --> 00:02:03,605 Speaker 1: the first season of Hele Gone. We're still waiting for 30 00:02:03,645 --> 00:02:07,165 Speaker 1: the Arkansas State Police to reveal more details, but in 31 00:02:07,205 --> 00:02:10,365 Speaker 1: the meantime, we wanted to share what we know so far. 32 00:02:12,125 --> 00:02:16,765 Speaker 1: On November seventh, twenty twenty, the Arkansas State Police announced 33 00:02:16,765 --> 00:02:19,765 Speaker 1: that forty four year old William Miller was arrested in 34 00:02:19,805 --> 00:02:23,365 Speaker 1: connection to the two thousand and four murder of Rebecca Gould. 35 00:02:23,885 --> 00:02:27,005 Speaker 1: Law enforcement have stated that William or Billy, as he's 36 00:02:27,045 --> 00:02:31,605 Speaker 1: commonly known, was arrested in Lane County, Oregon, after the 37 00:02:31,645 --> 00:02:35,045 Speaker 1: State Police special agent assigned to the case learned that 38 00:02:35,085 --> 00:02:37,965 Speaker 1: he'd returned to his home following an extended stay in 39 00:02:37,965 --> 00:02:42,445 Speaker 1: the Philippines. The Arkansas State Police news release read quote 40 00:02:42,925 --> 00:02:45,845 Speaker 1: a Texas man visiting Izard County in two thousand and four, 41 00:02:46,245 --> 00:02:49,685 Speaker 1: has been arrested and charged with murder first degree in 42 00:02:49,725 --> 00:02:53,485 Speaker 1: connection with the death of Rebecca Christian Gould, whose body 43 00:02:53,525 --> 00:02:57,165 Speaker 1: was discovered sixteen years ago on a hillside off Arkansas 44 00:02:57,285 --> 00:03:01,925 Speaker 1: Highway nine south of Melbourne End quote. So, who is 45 00:03:02,045 --> 00:03:06,765 Speaker 1: Billy Miller? The police announcement regarding the US describes Billy 46 00:03:06,845 --> 00:03:11,125 Speaker 1: as a Texas man visiting Izzard County, which kind of 47 00:03:11,125 --> 00:03:13,285 Speaker 1: makes it sound like he was just passing through town. 48 00:03:14,125 --> 00:03:16,965 Speaker 1: But we quickly discovered that he does have a connection 49 00:03:17,005 --> 00:03:22,205 Speaker 1: to the area. Billy is Casey's cousin. Casey was Rebecca's 50 00:03:22,245 --> 00:03:25,085 Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time she went missing, and she was 51 00:03:25,085 --> 00:03:28,605 Speaker 1: staying at his house when she was murdered. His trailer 52 00:03:28,765 --> 00:03:32,805 Speaker 1: in a remote wooded area near Guyon was the crime scene. 53 00:03:32,965 --> 00:03:34,965 Speaker 1: I've had the chance to talk to some of Billy's 54 00:03:34,965 --> 00:03:38,645 Speaker 1: family members and coworkers and learned that around the time 55 00:03:38,685 --> 00:03:42,205 Speaker 1: of Rebecca's murder, he was living in Texas. He had 56 00:03:42,245 --> 00:03:46,085 Speaker 1: a family there and, according to reports, three children, but 57 00:03:46,845 --> 00:03:51,485 Speaker 1: Billy left the country shortly after Rebecca's murder. Several years ago. 58 00:03:51,725 --> 00:03:54,165 Speaker 1: He went to the Philippines, where he met a local woman, 59 00:03:54,485 --> 00:03:58,405 Speaker 1: got married and had a baby. On social media. There 60 00:03:58,405 --> 00:04:01,765 Speaker 1: are posts of him with his children. He appears to 61 00:04:01,805 --> 00:04:05,845 Speaker 1: have been living there ever since. For several years, he 62 00:04:05,885 --> 00:04:08,965 Speaker 1: worked on an offshore oil field platform off the coast 63 00:04:08,965 --> 00:04:13,005 Speaker 1: of Malay in Equatorial Guinea. Some of his coworkers and 64 00:04:13,085 --> 00:04:15,925 Speaker 1: family members have reached out to me. They said they 65 00:04:15,925 --> 00:04:18,965 Speaker 1: were shocked and I can't imagine what they must be 66 00:04:19,005 --> 00:04:22,605 Speaker 1: going through right now. Though some of his former coworkers 67 00:04:22,645 --> 00:04:26,965 Speaker 1: did describe him as odd. For example, he was caught 68 00:04:26,965 --> 00:04:30,245 Speaker 1: with a coworker's phone and, according to my source, was 69 00:04:30,285 --> 00:04:34,365 Speaker 1: allegedly going through their photos. It's the type of behavior 70 00:04:34,405 --> 00:04:37,685 Speaker 1: that can seem a little strange, but nothing that could 71 00:04:37,685 --> 00:04:41,805 Speaker 1: suggest the horror that would follow. We were told by 72 00:04:41,805 --> 00:04:44,605 Speaker 1: a source close to Billy that after COVID hit, the 73 00:04:44,645 --> 00:04:47,845 Speaker 1: borders to the Philippines shut down, so he came home 74 00:04:47,885 --> 00:04:51,605 Speaker 1: to where his mother lives in Cottage Grove, Oregon. He 75 00:04:51,685 --> 00:04:54,605 Speaker 1: is reportedly told co workers that he bought a ranch 76 00:04:54,645 --> 00:04:57,405 Speaker 1: in Oregon and that he wanted to move his wife 77 00:04:57,405 --> 00:05:02,285 Speaker 1: and family from the Philippines there. So maybe he thought 78 00:05:02,285 --> 00:05:07,805 Speaker 1: the case was over for good. When we started working 79 00:05:07,845 --> 00:05:11,125 Speaker 1: on Hell and Gone, our goal was always to try 80 00:05:11,165 --> 00:05:14,685 Speaker 1: to use the podcast as an investigative tool. We wanted 81 00:05:14,725 --> 00:05:17,085 Speaker 1: to help move the case forward in any way that 82 00:05:17,125 --> 00:05:20,605 Speaker 1: we could, and our only goal was to get justice 83 00:05:20,645 --> 00:05:25,045 Speaker 1: for Rebecca. As you know, the Arkansas State Police said 84 00:05:25,125 --> 00:05:28,685 Speaker 1: this was an open investigation, so we had zero access 85 00:05:28,725 --> 00:05:31,325 Speaker 1: to the case file. We had to create our own, 86 00:05:32,005 --> 00:05:34,725 Speaker 1: and in the beginning we had very little to go on. 87 00:05:35,845 --> 00:05:39,325 Speaker 1: Based on the evidence, we developed a working theory that 88 00:05:39,365 --> 00:05:42,205 Speaker 1: the killer was someone with a connection to the house. 89 00:05:43,485 --> 00:05:45,605 Speaker 1: For me, this wasn't just the fact that the killer 90 00:05:45,645 --> 00:05:48,365 Speaker 1: would know where the trailer was. As we discovered in 91 00:05:48,445 --> 00:05:53,245 Speaker 1: season one, this was an extremely remote location. Whoever was 92 00:05:53,285 --> 00:05:57,165 Speaker 1: involved with killing Rebecca knew where the cleaning supplies were 93 00:05:57,765 --> 00:06:02,005 Speaker 1: and felt brave enough, possibly in broad daylight, to stick 94 00:06:02,045 --> 00:06:05,645 Speaker 1: around and clean up the crime scene. But possibly the 95 00:06:05,685 --> 00:06:08,205 Speaker 1: biggest clue to me was the fact that the bloody 96 00:06:08,285 --> 00:06:12,645 Speaker 1: sheets were found in the washing machine. We're waiting to 97 00:06:12,685 --> 00:06:15,405 Speaker 1: see if the police release any more information that could 98 00:06:15,405 --> 00:06:19,085 Speaker 1: explain what Billy's connection to the home could be. Because 99 00:06:19,125 --> 00:06:22,125 Speaker 1: of the timeline, which we explored in depth in season one, 100 00:06:22,885 --> 00:06:25,285 Speaker 1: we also believed that there could have been more than 101 00:06:25,325 --> 00:06:28,925 Speaker 1: one person involved in the cleanup. So if Billy did 102 00:06:29,085 --> 00:06:32,365 Speaker 1: kill Rebecca and or clean up or move her body. 103 00:06:33,165 --> 00:06:36,645 Speaker 1: Why did he do it? No information has been released 104 00:06:36,685 --> 00:06:41,405 Speaker 1: at this time about a potential motive. We know from 105 00:06:41,405 --> 00:06:45,605 Speaker 1: Rebecca's autopsy that she was struck once or possibly twice, 106 00:06:46,085 --> 00:06:49,325 Speaker 1: something that we always believed suggested that someone was in 107 00:06:49,365 --> 00:06:53,725 Speaker 1: a rage and that this murder was deeply personal. Since 108 00:06:53,765 --> 00:06:56,765 Speaker 1: the ASP have made no comment on Billy's connection to 109 00:06:56,765 --> 00:06:59,845 Speaker 1: the murder, We don't even know if Billy and Rebecca 110 00:06:59,885 --> 00:07:02,525 Speaker 1: knew each other, but he may have popped up in 111 00:07:02,565 --> 00:07:06,885 Speaker 1: the podcast and the fifth thatp was of season one. 112 00:07:06,965 --> 00:07:08,925 Speaker 1: We talked to a source who told us that they 113 00:07:08,965 --> 00:07:11,765 Speaker 1: had seen a man with olive skin or a tan 114 00:07:12,045 --> 00:07:16,245 Speaker 1: and black hair around on the weekend before Rebecca disappeared. 115 00:07:17,125 --> 00:07:19,645 Speaker 1: Our source told us that they saw the guy drive 116 00:07:19,725 --> 00:07:22,085 Speaker 1: up to Casey's property with a woman in the car. 117 00:07:22,925 --> 00:07:25,205 Speaker 1: The guy then got out of the vehicle, which the 118 00:07:25,245 --> 00:07:29,005 Speaker 1: source described as a small blue car with Texas license plates, 119 00:07:29,045 --> 00:07:32,685 Speaker 1: and did some weed eating around the property. Our tipster 120 00:07:32,845 --> 00:07:35,245 Speaker 1: told us that Rebecca came out of the house and 121 00:07:35,325 --> 00:07:38,405 Speaker 1: briefly spoke to this unknown man, and that she seemed 122 00:07:38,445 --> 00:07:42,885 Speaker 1: fine and went back inside. We did try to locate 123 00:07:42,925 --> 00:07:46,485 Speaker 1: this person, and the general description did seem to match 124 00:07:46,525 --> 00:07:50,845 Speaker 1: Billy but it also matched several other people who knew Rebecca. 125 00:07:51,765 --> 00:07:54,365 Speaker 1: With nothing more to go on, we hit a dead end. 126 00:07:55,325 --> 00:07:58,005 Speaker 1: But now I wonder could the mystery man at the 127 00:07:58,045 --> 00:08:03,125 Speaker 1: trailer have been Billy. A new investigator has been assigned 128 00:08:03,125 --> 00:08:06,925 Speaker 1: to Rebecca's case, Mike McNeil of the Arkansas State Police. 129 00:08:08,365 --> 00:08:11,925 Speaker 1: Please contact Mike if you have any information about Rebecca's case. 130 00:08:13,005 --> 00:08:17,725 Speaker 1: He can be reached at Mike dot McNeil at ASP 131 00:08:18,125 --> 00:08:22,765 Speaker 1: dot Arkansas dot gov. That's m I k E dot 132 00:08:23,165 --> 00:08:29,045 Speaker 1: mc n e I l L at ASP dot Arkansas 133 00:08:29,205 --> 00:08:35,005 Speaker 1: dot gov. Since season one wrapped, we haven't stopped working 134 00:08:35,085 --> 00:08:38,165 Speaker 1: on this case, and there have been many others helping 135 00:08:38,205 --> 00:08:41,445 Speaker 1: with a fight to get justice for Rebecca, including local 136 00:08:41,525 --> 00:08:44,725 Speaker 1: journalists George Jared, who he worked with in season one 137 00:08:44,965 --> 00:08:47,205 Speaker 1: and who has been following and covering this case since 138 00:08:47,285 --> 00:08:51,725 Speaker 1: day one, and Jennifer Buckoltz, a private investigator who has 139 00:08:51,765 --> 00:08:57,485 Speaker 1: devoted countless hours to solving this case. So what happens next? 140 00:08:58,365 --> 00:09:02,525 Speaker 1: According to a local newspaper, The Baxter Bulletin, Billy is 141 00:09:02,605 --> 00:09:08,205 Speaker 1: fighting extradition to Arkansas. So now Arkansas officials need to 142 00:09:08,205 --> 00:09:11,645 Speaker 1: file a governor's warrant, also known as an extradition warrant 143 00:09:11,805 --> 00:09:16,405 Speaker 1: to facilitate his transfer back to Arkansas. This could take 144 00:09:16,445 --> 00:09:21,565 Speaker 1: some time, according to some estimates, between thirty and sixty days, 145 00:09:22,165 --> 00:09:25,485 Speaker 1: so once again we have to wait to see if 146 00:09:25,485 --> 00:09:28,965 Speaker 1: he eventually stands trial, to see what evidence the ASP have, 147 00:09:29,765 --> 00:09:32,645 Speaker 1: and to see if there will be more arrests. So 148 00:09:32,765 --> 00:09:36,005 Speaker 1: for now, me and the team, along with everyone else 149 00:09:36,165 --> 00:09:39,925 Speaker 1: including George, Jennifer and many other reporters who've worked on 150 00:09:39,965 --> 00:09:43,525 Speaker 1: this case, will continue to search for answers and work 151 00:09:43,565 --> 00:09:48,165 Speaker 1: together to reveal the full story. But until then, enjoy 152 00:09:48,245 --> 00:09:51,645 Speaker 1: the rest of season three and revisit season one if 153 00:09:51,645 --> 00:09:54,925 Speaker 1: you want to follow our complete investigation into Rebecca's murder 154 00:09:54,965 --> 00:10:38,605 Speaker 1: from the beginning School of Humans