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Speaker 3: Welcome in, everybody, Glad you're with us. Lots to catch
Speaker 3: up on over the last week. Right now in Indianapolis,
Speaker 3: the NFL Combine is underway, which means information is flying.
Speaker 2: Around the NFL.
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on across the board, whether it's
Speaker 3: from a fron office standpoint, from a draft standpoint, scouting players, coaches,
Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff is kind of happening all at
Speaker 3: the same time in Indianapolis, and we're gonna break it
Speaker 3: down for you as we go along here over this
Speaker 3: next hour. But before we get into any of that,
Speaker 3: the biggest news of the week after we were last
Speaker 3: on the air, Zach Martin is expected to retire the
Speaker 3: seven time first Team All Pro, time total All Pro,
Speaker 3: and first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: I would like to say forward.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been three Cowboys in franchise history that
Speaker 3: have had seven first.
Speaker 4: Team All Pro?
Speaker 6: Who are they?
Speaker 4: Comedies?
Speaker 7: Randy White pretty Good, Bob Lily and Zach Martin, the Manster,
Speaker 7: Mister Cowboy and the Gold There you go, and the
Speaker 7: first two were what they were, first ballot Hall of Famers.
Speaker 4: So next top Canton, Yeah, next top Canton.
Speaker 3: For Zack Martin, it's just a matter of win, not
Speaker 3: if his career comes to a close. We kind of
Speaker 3: alluded to it a little bit last week, and there
Speaker 3: was a feeling around the building that it was done.
Speaker 3: Missed the final seven games due to injury, and it
Speaker 3: kind of it felt like it was the right time
Speaker 3: to ride off into the sunset. The offensive line has
Speaker 3: some depth that they can work with behind him. They
Speaker 3: played well without him up front, not the same as
Speaker 3: strengthened prime Zach Martin, but still it was a bummer
Speaker 3: to see that his career is coming to an end
Speaker 3: because it was a hell of a career to watch.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we've been talking about it for the large majority
Speaker 7: of last season because you know, just more and more
Speaker 7: as it went on, you saw what used to be
Speaker 7: a resident iron man in Zach Martin. I mean, it's
Speaker 7: not so long ago that we could point at Zach
Speaker 7: Martin and know that every single snap, every single week,
Speaker 7: that he would be on the field, And just over
Speaker 7: the past season plus, I'd say, his body just started
Speaker 7: to kind of not let that be the case anymore,
Speaker 7: and his play suffered because of it. And unfortunately, we
Speaker 7: saw a situation where you know, Zach went down with
Speaker 7: the season ending ankle injury and brought Kaffman, to his credit,
Speaker 7: was able to come in and stabilize things. But if
Speaker 7: you're talking about losing Zach Martin and gaining stability. That
Speaker 7: tells you where he was in the career. So incomparable career,
Speaker 7: I cannot think Zach Martin enough for what he did
Speaker 7: for this organization. I hate that it's another legend going
Speaker 7: out without some jewelry, but it doesn't in fact, not
Speaker 7: only in the Zach Martin era, but it ends that
Speaker 7: particular era when we're talking about Tyrone Smith, Zach Martin,
Speaker 7: Travis Frederick, Frederick having retired to the GPS, GBS. So yeah,
Speaker 7: it was time, most certainly. And like you said, Josh,
Speaker 7: next stop is Canton for sure.
Speaker 8: I mean when I think of Zach Martin, I always
Speaker 8: think of the draft party that was at at and
Speaker 8: T Stadium.
Speaker 6: I was at that draft party.
Speaker 4: Were you really?
Speaker 6: I was at that draft party.
Speaker 8: And I remember the crowd at the time our pick
Speaker 8: was up. We were on the clock. Everyone's chanting not
Speaker 8: Zach Martin, Johnny Football. And I was there like no, please, no,
Speaker 8: And Zach Martin's name was announced and there was a.
Speaker 6: Flutter around the room.
Speaker 8: The room, being at and T Stadium was like who's that?
Speaker 8: But ended up being one of the greatest Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 8: ever of all time. I will never forget that moment
Speaker 8: when we drafted him, feeling confident about like, Okay, we
Speaker 8: like what we have here. Let's build behind a great
Speaker 8: quarterback that we already have and protect him. To me,
Speaker 8: the legacy of Zach Martin, will I mean for that
Speaker 8: to happen before I started working here, and then for
Speaker 8: my very first season to be the Zach Martin hold
Speaker 8: out at camp time? You know, tis a flat circle,
Speaker 8: at least personally for me, obviously.
Speaker 2: The his.
Speaker 6: Legacy speaks for itself, it really does.
Speaker 8: And seeing him out there each and every week knowing
Speaker 8: confidently he's not going to get a holding call and
Speaker 8: he's going to play his ass off right us.
Speaker 2: Another ridiculous stat you drive what is the stats? So
Speaker 2: repeat it?
Speaker 5: Repeat it?
Speaker 3: For the number of first team All pros, I outlined
Speaker 3: that earlier seven number of accepted holding penalties throughout his
Speaker 3: what was it eleven year seven, the same amounts of
Speaker 3: first team not just all pros. He actually had more
Speaker 3: All Pro nods than he did except hold hold penalties,
Speaker 3: but first team All Pro nons He had the exact
Speaker 3: same number.
Speaker 2: Seven.
Speaker 8: Insane and his legacy speaks for itself. Like I said,
Speaker 8: next up Ken obviously, but it is interesting to see
Speaker 8: how the offensive line is going to change now with
Speaker 8: the with Zach Martin moving on.
Speaker 9: I think that this most recent year was a transition
Speaker 9: piece for them, and I think, you know, how he's
Speaker 9: going out is obviously not the way that he wants
Speaker 9: to go out, but honestly, I think it's more beneficial
Speaker 9: for the Cowboys organization. But in terms of what he's
Speaker 9: been to this organization, you guys have already hit on it,
Speaker 9: and you guys already touched on everything. He's an amazing
Speaker 9: human being, first and foremost great family man. You know
Speaker 9: what he did on the field, what he did for
Speaker 9: his teammates, and what he did for this offensive line.
Speaker 9: For all these years, you always knew that you have
Speaker 9: one solid piece that you never had to worry about.
Speaker 9: And whenever you can have somebody on your team that
Speaker 9: you don't have to be concerned about whether or not
Speaker 9: they're going to come prepared, whether or not they're going
Speaker 9: to come with their right mindset, and whether they are
Speaker 9: going to deliver in terms of performance, is that you know,
Speaker 9: he is that guy. He has been that guy for
Speaker 9: the Dallas Cowboys and he will get rewarded for that.
Speaker 9: And to ensure that everybody going forward, forever and ever
Speaker 9: will always remember who he was in the league standard.
Speaker 8: I'll just say I'll be the first to say, you know,
Speaker 8: you're welcome on Talking Cowboys whenever you're ready to be
Speaker 8: an official host.
Speaker 7: Of Bigger Cheer, A bigger cheer A large human that's
Speaker 7: this chair can fit.
Speaker 2: Nate Newton.
Speaker 6: First first dips on on Zach Martin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we called it. He's gonna be there's gonna be
Speaker 3: an extra mind right here if he wants it. I
Speaker 3: don't see Zach as that type of personality. What do
Speaker 3: you mean, He's not Jason Kelsey's.
Speaker 2: He would.
Speaker 3: I think it's more likely he would go into coaching
Speaker 3: than it would be broadcasting, and I don't think either
Speaker 3: one of them is possible.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna just family, hang family, family, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think which is I think the testament to who
Speaker 3: he is as a person and what he's done throughout
Speaker 3: his career to kind of earn that that point. So yeah,
Speaker 3: whatever he ends up doing next, h we certainly wish
Speaker 3: him the best. And I think there's going to be
Speaker 3: an official announcement at some point because all of this
Speaker 3: is reports and that he had told the team, and
Speaker 3: that was kind of the initial stuff. There will be
Speaker 3: an official announcement. And another thing to keep in mind,
Speaker 3: there will be a cut because his contract is still there.
Speaker 3: And even though he's a what is it an exclusive
Speaker 3: rights free agent or one of those, he's got void years.
Speaker 2: He's got a void year.
Speaker 9: How does that work in regards to the cap? Do
Speaker 9: you guys know when somebody retires, what does that do
Speaker 9: to their contract? Because it's not like just cutting somebody.
Speaker 3: Right, the rest of that guaranteed money is on your cap.
Speaker 2: And spread out over those foid years.
Speaker 7: I believe it would save you actually cap space because
Speaker 7: it's treated like a pro rate. Yeah, so you don't
Speaker 7: take the entire the entirety of the remaining hit as
Speaker 7: a one time so amateurize, right exactly, So.
Speaker 3: Over time, Like like you said, there's but there will
Speaker 3: be a cut first off, So don't be alarmed whenever
Speaker 3: it says like it pops up and there's a bleacher.
Speaker 4: Don't do it though, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Uh, there's a bleacher report not notification that Cowboys showed
Speaker 3: ten time pro bowler, I mean and seven times first
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna do it. Don't click on it.
Speaker 2: It's stupid. Don't click.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shut like it, just don't.
Speaker 2: Don't les procedural procedure part of it.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, and Isaiah, you kind of
Speaker 3: alluded to this earlier, what's.
Speaker 4: Next for the Cowboys offensive line?
Speaker 2: Where do you go?
Speaker 10: Pa?
Speaker 2: Here? I mean, I think we've been hearing some murmurs.
Speaker 9: You know, don't know anything until obviously these guys start
Speaker 9: stepping on the field for OTAs and the draft is
Speaker 9: done and free agency kind of goes through. I don't
Speaker 9: think you have a full understanding. But in regards to
Speaker 9: who we currently have on this roster, it's sounding like, yeah,
Speaker 9: I says, sounding like, sounding like, sounding like they like
Speaker 9: Hoffman potentially at the center position, and they're planning on
Speaker 9: moving Cooper b B to the right guard position. That's
Speaker 9: what I'm hearing again, it's all rumors. We don't know
Speaker 9: until they step on the field and we see us
Speaker 9: a ball snapped. But if they were to do that,
Speaker 9: that makes sense because they were trying to teach Cooper
Speaker 9: b B to play center and that's not his natural position.
Speaker 9: Now obviously there's a void that was not there originally.
Speaker 4: If Zach Martin it wasn't in the car.
Speaker 2: It wasn't there before.
Speaker 9: So now if he does walk away from the game
Speaker 9: of football, now there's a large See what I did there,
Speaker 9: There's a large void there at the right guard position.
Speaker 9: So I can move now Cooper BB to his more
Speaker 9: natural position, and I could put the Brahma bull with
Speaker 9: his hand on the bar replay.
Speaker 7: So I'll read to you guys, because Stephen Jones and
Speaker 7: Tommy Yarsh is in Indie right now. He beat us
Speaker 7: by a couple of days. He's doing sensational work. He
Speaker 7: spoke with Stephen Jones and Stephen Jones.
Speaker 2: Yeah man.
Speaker 7: Stephen Jones basically echoed a sentiment that Connor Riley told
Speaker 7: us in availability early last week. This is a quote
Speaker 7: from Connor Riley, which if you don't remember, he is
Speaker 7: now the former offensive coordinator and offensive line coach of
Speaker 7: one Kansas State University. Which is what did Cooper BB? Yeah,
Speaker 7: there you go, Manhattan, and we ain't talking about New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, little apple, right, the little one right, And I quote.
Speaker 7: I think one of the best things about Cooper BB
Speaker 7: is his versatility. He was a two time All American
Speaker 7: at guard for Kansas State, started some games at tackle
Speaker 7: and right guard dot dot dot. He gives us an
Speaker 7: opportunity to find the best fit for everybody up front.
Speaker 7: End quote, this is Connor Riley, your new offensive line coach,
Speaker 7: previously an offensive line coach for Cooper BB, basically letting
Speaker 7: you know that they're going into the OTAs and mini
Speaker 7: camp and training camp looking for the best five up front.
Speaker 7: So as we have this conversation, Cooper BB is still
Speaker 7: the center, but it does sound like to your point, Isaiah,
Speaker 7: that could change.
Speaker 2: It's a very fluid situation.
Speaker 7: You might see brock Hoffman go over the center, but
Speaker 7: it's also contingent upon what does or does not happen
Speaker 7: in free agency, what does does not happen with the
Speaker 7: NFL draft. But you love to hear this from Connor Riley,
Speaker 7: heard it from Clayton Adams. You're hearing it echoed by
Speaker 7: Stephen Jones. Cowboys are no longer going into this situation saying, well,
Speaker 7: you know, no matter what, he's going to be here,
Speaker 7: he's going to be here. I think the only places
Speaker 7: I'll say plural, we had three places. No, Ter Steele
Speaker 7: is at right tackle, yep, we know, Tyler Smith is
Speaker 7: at left guard and I'll go ahead and say Tyler
Speaker 7: Guidon is left tackle because Tyler Smith is right guard.
Speaker 7: So as far as center versus right guard is concerned,
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be a battle in Connor
Speaker 7: Riley and Clayton Adams. They're going to figure out what
Speaker 7: the best front five looks like.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love what fans have been warning for
Speaker 2: so long.
Speaker 8: Sure, well, I alluded to the question last week, and honestly,
Speaker 8: it wasn't because of the Zach Martin, the lingering Zach
Speaker 8: Martin future that was not in the cards for me.
Speaker 8: I was genuinely curious before Zach Martin is not going
Speaker 8: to be here? Yeah, does twelve sound like a or
Speaker 8: does offensive line sound like a pick?
Speaker 6: They would make it twelve. This is before all of
Speaker 6: this happened.
Speaker 8: And now I'm like, okay, well, this kind of seems
Speaker 8: like that is a clear indication to me that it's
Speaker 8: a spot you look at.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 3: I think if the right player is there at twelve,
Speaker 3: they'll take him there. But I don't know if there's
Speaker 3: that right player in this draft. If any other draft
Speaker 3: across the board, I think I would say Dallas in
Speaker 3: this same scenario because I completely agree with you. I
Speaker 3: think in this scenario, you would say, let's build for
Speaker 3: the future. Let's build around Guid and let's build around Smith,
Speaker 3: Let's build around bb and we'll have four guys up
Speaker 3: front that we are very confident in, and then we'll
Speaker 3: figure out.
Speaker 2: The fitth spot.
Speaker 3: I guess Terren Steele would probably be that odd man
Speaker 3: out there in terms of value draft picks and value
Speaker 3: of youth moving forward. Whereas this year, I'm looking at
Speaker 3: this offensive line class, and we've talked about this a
Speaker 3: couple times on the Draft Show. There's just something that's
Speaker 3: not clicking for every one of these top offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: Now there's a couple of them, but those couple of
Speaker 3: them probably aren't gonna make it to twelve because they
Speaker 3: don't have any red flags on them.
Speaker 2: But if it's a red.
Speaker 3: Flag from a medical or a size or a position
Speaker 3: fit or whatever, it ends up being twelve might not
Speaker 3: be right.
Speaker 2: Face man, We can.
Speaker 3: Make that if it turns out that we need Kelvin
Speaker 3: Banks or somebody Will Campbell or some of these other
Speaker 3: guys whoever it ends up being up front. I think
Speaker 3: there's ten in the top ten picks of this NFL draft.
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be one or two offensive lineman
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have your pick of the third or
Speaker 3: fourth fifth best offensive lineman in this draft class. But
Speaker 3: if you were to compare that to the twenty two
Speaker 3: to twenty three, twenty four draft class, I think your third,
Speaker 3: fourth fifth best offensive lineman in this class would probably
Speaker 3: be more like eight, nine ten in those other classes.
Speaker 2: It's just this.
Speaker 7: I'll make mine quick and I'll throw it back to you, guys.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't go offensive line at number twelve. I just wouldn't.
Speaker 7: And I don't think that the Zach News changes that
Speaker 7: for me because that's where I was standing before Rick
Speaker 7: was expected to retire, and now that he is expected
Speaker 7: to retire, my needle doesn't move as far as would
Speaker 7: I go. You know, offensive line at twelve, No in
Speaker 7: this situation, and Kyle lays it out perfectly. When it
Speaker 7: comes to this class, I would be much morefortable in
Speaker 7: a trade back situation. If your hell bent on getting
Speaker 7: an offensive.
Speaker 4: I'm down for them.
Speaker 6: We talked about that last week.
Speaker 7: I think I would trade down, get more picks, and
Speaker 7: then go oil. I wouldn't just go outright at number
Speaker 7: twelve for oil. I'm reserving number twelve for an Ashton
Speaker 7: Genty if he's there, or a top shelf wide receiver
Speaker 7: if he's there, and you just know that if you
Speaker 7: move back.
Speaker 2: You're going to lose that on that guy.
Speaker 7: But offensive line, I think that because I've seen what
Speaker 7: brock Hoffman can be, I'm comfortable enough to kind of.
Speaker 2: Sit tight there.
Speaker 7: So either it's a trade back situation or it's something
Speaker 7: that you address in the second round.
Speaker 8: But I think it also lends itself to choosing the
Speaker 8: best player available at twelve regardless, because there are positions,
Speaker 8: There are positions in need all over the board, across
Speaker 8: the board.
Speaker 6: For the Dallas Cowboys, J Stee's on YouTube says.
Speaker 8: Leave bb alone, put him at center. He's got a
Speaker 8: full season at center. Man, what are we doing often
Speaker 8: is a good backup?
Speaker 4: I'm kind of in that camp.
Speaker 9: But why speak on it, because I just think I
Speaker 9: don't believe that a natural position for him at the
Speaker 9: center position.
Speaker 3: He was better than Hoffman at center, okay, and that's
Speaker 3: where I'm at. Okay, he was better than haff Minute,
Speaker 3: So so then why swap is why?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 9: Why mess with I like Bebe's frame better for gard
Speaker 9: I like him better at guard.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know that.
Speaker 9: If I'm going to have a Brahma bull in this
Speaker 9: kitchen right five office alignment, I want him at center.
Speaker 2: I want broadcast center.
Speaker 9: I want I want that mentality at center because that
Speaker 9: person touches the ball every single play. That person is
Speaker 9: going to be the point on every single play. Versus
Speaker 9: having that person offset to one side or the other.
Speaker 2: That's just me.
Speaker 3: If you're just talking about like glass eater aggressive mentality. Yes, okay,
Speaker 3: you had that with Tyler Biadash and it didn't necessarily
Speaker 3: work out.
Speaker 2: He's working out somewhere else, true, but.
Speaker 4: It didn't work out here.
Speaker 6: A question though, what was Brock Coffin's worst game last year?
Speaker 2: I would have to go back, I wanted to.
Speaker 8: I want to say it was the Philadelphia probably probably,
Speaker 8: And you would have put him at the center against
Speaker 8: a team like that twice a year.
Speaker 9: Listen, this coaching staff that we're now having place, these
Speaker 9: guys are supposed to be jedis when it comes to
Speaker 9: the old question would be this, and this is the
Speaker 9: question the Cowboys would have to answer in this scenario
Speaker 9: is the career And they had to answer this for
Speaker 9: Tyler Smith.
Speaker 7: Is the career for Cooper BB. Does it have a
Speaker 7: higher ceiling at guard than at center? Because if it's
Speaker 7: at guard, then I'm with you putting him at guard,
Speaker 7: and then maybe you draft your center if brought Koffman,
Speaker 7: if you need an upgrade over.
Speaker 2: So it's the way you view the set, it's the
Speaker 2: way you view that.
Speaker 7: If you think that his ceiling, being Cooper BB, is
Speaker 7: higher at center, then you leave him there and you
Speaker 7: leave brockoff in at guard.
Speaker 2: I think that's the crux of what the argument is going.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna I'm gonna literally put the trust in this
Speaker 9: on these coaches.
Speaker 2: I'm literally in considering who we're talking about, Connor Riley
Speaker 2: and Clayton Adams. I'm let's let them cook. Listen.
Speaker 9: I can have an opinion all day long, but I
Speaker 9: think those guys have a good idea. If they're coming
Speaker 9: in and it sounds like they're moving Cooper BB to
Speaker 9: right guard, then I have full confidence that that's the
Speaker 9: most advantageous position for him and the offensive line.
Speaker 3: So just going back to the conversation of Hoffman and
Speaker 3: where he might fit specifically, let's just go to PFF
Speaker 3: because we don't have the film in front of us
Speaker 3: right now, but Pro Football focus over thirty nine pass
Speaker 3: blocking snaps against Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: That was his worst graded game.
Speaker 3: He gave up three pressures, he gave up one sack,
Speaker 3: one QB hit, and two penalties in that matchup. It's
Speaker 3: a lot one game and thirty nine snaps he gave
Speaker 3: up basically six different things that went wrong. Now that
Speaker 3: snap he took all sixty.
Speaker 2: At right guard. Took it all at right guard.
Speaker 4: So that goes back to your point.
Speaker 3: His best graded game of the year was against Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: where he only allowed one hit one QB hit along
Speaker 3: the way over, Let's see, it was thirty six pass
Speaker 3: blocking snaps and those were all at center, So something
Speaker 3: like that could play a factor.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I said, I'm looking forward to the coaching.
Speaker 9: Like I really believe that most fans, Okay, this is
Speaker 9: no shots fire, It's just just an observation don't put
Speaker 9: enough emphasis on development and the coaches' roles that they're
Speaker 9: supposed to play an organization, and for this team and
Speaker 9: coach Settenheimer to have brought in two O line specialists,
Speaker 9: two people that that's what they do.
Speaker 2: Right, your officive coordinator and now your officive line coach.
Speaker 9: That is their wheelhouse, like, that's where they feel most confident,
Speaker 9: and they said they can be better than you at anything.
Speaker 9: They're both gonna say coaching old lineman, that's awesome to
Speaker 9: have both of those resources on one team like that. Yeah,
Speaker 9: you might have three. I'm looking forward to seeing now
Speaker 9: players and what we've seen, right, we can go back
Speaker 9: and look at what they've done. And if you have
Speaker 9: somebody like a brock Hoffman who's an absolute dog, right,
Speaker 9: which is what they're at. Every coach that's spoken on
Speaker 9: offense side of the ball has talked about the mentality.
Speaker 9: He talked about the physicality. I'm just I'm talking about him.
Speaker 9: I'm talking about the character of this an identity of
Speaker 9: this offensive line going forward, violence, right, all those things right?
Speaker 9: You want that he has that naturally or ornately has that?
Speaker 9: Develop it now? Develop it?
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: You talk about people that people are ready to write
Speaker 9: off right now, like Terrance Still people are ready to oh,
Speaker 9: let's move on from Terryce Steell. We know Terry still
Speaker 9: ain't no punk, right, ter Terres still ain't no punt.
Speaker 2: That one thing we know.
Speaker 4: About him that because he was maybe initially and know
Speaker 4: t Stilly.
Speaker 9: Has never been a punt he Stilley always wanted to
Speaker 9: smoke right, always want to I.
Speaker 3: Think back to the one game against what was it
Speaker 3: twenty one? Was it Washington where he got he was
Speaker 3: he was kind of off to the side and somebody
Speaker 3: got into him off It might have been Martin, It
Speaker 3: might have been Zach Martin that got into him. I
Speaker 3: don't have to go back and do my research, but
Speaker 3: I'm going back to twenty one where it was a
Speaker 3: rookie season, just kind of getting into it, trying to
Speaker 3: work it, or that was the second year. Then he
Speaker 3: he didn't let it happen again. At that point, sometimes
Speaker 3: you got to talk him from Sometimes, yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 2: Learn from there and move on.
Speaker 9: Well, from that point, he never had any question marks
Speaker 9: about his willingness and his dog mentality.
Speaker 2: Develop them right.
Speaker 9: I'm looking forward to seeing how these guys come along,
Speaker 9: because where they're at now is not where they're going
Speaker 9: to be when the season starts. If these coaches are
Speaker 9: masters at developing players, the one aspect that you can't
Speaker 9: control is a willingness. I can't control your will to
Speaker 9: want to get better. If you have that work ethic
Speaker 9: will determination mentality. If you have all that, now it's
Speaker 9: on me to go ahead and help that flourish.
Speaker 7: And now I was going to say, the question becomes,
Speaker 7: is brock Hoffman just a stellar backup center or could
Speaker 7: he be an actual consistent starting center, because I think
Speaker 7: that it could go when it comes to Cooper BB.
Speaker 2: The beauty of Cooper BB is that he's.
Speaker 7: Proven himself a starting center, even in year one after
Speaker 7: a transition, He's proven that he can get better and
Speaker 7: better and he can be probably.
Speaker 2: A pro Bowl center in this league.
Speaker 7: But he could probably be an all pro right guard,
Speaker 7: which would make him a definitive successor to Zach Martin.
Speaker 7: And if that's the case, you you don't really have
Speaker 7: to sell me on moving him the right guard.
Speaker 2: I'm finally even.
Speaker 7: Him at center if that's what they choose to let
Speaker 7: Clayton Adams and Connor Riley.
Speaker 3: I might have been in the plans from the from
Speaker 3: the beginning though. If this Cooper Bebe is our third
Speaker 3: round draft pick, we'll put them where we can use
Speaker 3: him now and then when Martin's done, move over.
Speaker 2: And then you put him at right guard if that's
Speaker 2: your plan.
Speaker 7: But then I look at broad coffin and I say, okay,
Speaker 7: exclusive rights free agent this year, they're going to keep
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Speaker 7: on for the future at center. You use it an
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Speaker 6: I don't have any doubt that they will address offensive line.
Speaker 2: It's just that that early.
Speaker 7: That where they address, because where they address it will
Speaker 7: dictate if brock Kaufman is going to be a starter
Speaker 7: on this.
Speaker 4: Office and how they address it when we come back.
Speaker 3: Stephen Jones had some choice words throughout his Combine week
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Speaker 3: We've talked about that a couple times as well. Actions
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Speaker 3: I think this week you'll see some when we come
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Speaker 3: covering the combine for us this week. Doing a great
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Speaker 3: a beast off the plane and working yesterday.
Speaker 4: Actually he was working before he was on the plane.
Speaker 3: He had an interview we'll talk about this draft, uh
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Speaker 3: He had an interview with Alfred Collins, the defensive tackle
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Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
Speaker 6: It was a longhorn, to be fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I think it's a little bias in little a
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Speaker 3: It's both bias and then a little bit of connection
Speaker 3: to because I think he knew one beforehand, so they
Speaker 3: were able to kind of through it, but it was people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Tommy does know people, that is true. So one of
Speaker 3: the big things that came out of yesterday, which of
Speaker 3: course the drills don't start until later Thursday's the first
Speaker 3: day of drills, and.
Speaker 2: I'll be there to morrow. Patrick, you had to do
Speaker 2: talking cowboys in the morning, That's what okay?
Speaker 3: So uh, anyways, exactly skipped responsibility. Combine starts for drills
Speaker 3: on Thursday. But the entire league is out there except
Speaker 3: for Patrick.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 3: The thought process is now where this is where all
Speaker 3: that information is coming from. And Stephen Jones was a
Speaker 3: big thing in that information pool yesterday. What were some
Speaker 3: of the takeaways Patrick from Stephen Jones yesterday that kind of.
Speaker 2: Perked the ears of Cowboys Nation. Well, let's see, should
Speaker 2: I be selectively aggressive? And yeah, selectively? All right, let's let's.
Speaker 4: Le's not gonna be all in this off season?
Speaker 2: Unfortunate?
Speaker 4: Is that going to be this freaking thing?
Speaker 7: Based on how does the video reacted to it? So
Speaker 7: I'll read it, go ahead, all right, So let me
Speaker 7: this is uh Stephen Jones yesterday he was asked about
Speaker 7: the approach this season. This offseason and he said enough, well,
Speaker 7: we're going to look at everything we can. We're going
Speaker 7: to be selectively aggressive. There are there are things in
Speaker 7: this league you can have a certain amount of resources
Speaker 7: they allow you to have. We'll look at that. But
Speaker 7: we're going to improve this team. We're going to expect
Speaker 7: to have success next year, which is this year. And
Speaker 7: then of course, out of that Parson parceled everyone ran
Speaker 7: with a selectively aggressive portion of it, which is unfortunately, Kyle,
Speaker 7: that is going to be this year's all in version
Speaker 7: of all. But you know, Stephen Jones when he talked
Speaker 7: about free agency and just how they're going to approach it, uh,
Speaker 7: he also volunteered the thought process of a draft participal,
Speaker 7: not draft, but potential trade. He was like trades. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he brought that up unprovoked. So trade is going to
Speaker 7: be a possibility for the Cowboys. What does that look like?
Speaker 7: It does not look like Michael Parsons. Let me just
Speaker 7: say that right now. What does that look like outside
Speaker 7: of Michael Parsons?
Speaker 3: Jonathan Mingo, you already trade?
Speaker 4: Oh wait, yeah, we already.
Speaker 2: Why would you bring up that?
Speaker 7: Sorry, the fourth round pick is still trauma to be
Speaker 7: like they did that huh, they did that.
Speaker 2: You're not even on the draft show either, geez.
Speaker 7: So what does that look like as far as the
Speaker 7: potential trade getting someone in here? What assets might be
Speaker 7: required to do that? Who are they looking at going
Speaker 7: after an outside free agency? Will know that here. In
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks or so, once legal tampering begins,
Speaker 7: we'll see exactly how selectively aggressive the Cowboys are going
Speaker 7: to be, because routinely they do not they're not players
Speaker 7: in the first week of free agency. They try to
Speaker 7: let those overpays pass and then get the tertiary rounds.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're not even acts. Yeah, we'll see if that.
Speaker 6: If that changes, we'll seeing well about.
Speaker 7: Dante's doing much better though they're both doing well. We'll
Speaker 7: see if that changes. So the Cowboys are looking to
Speaker 7: be more aggressive in free agency, be it selective or
Speaker 7: however you want a word that they're going to talk
Speaker 7: with Oh soo Diggi Zua his agent. That's one of
Speaker 7: the biggest keeps. You got to figure out how to
Speaker 7: keep Osa in the building. I don't think it's a
Speaker 7: franchise tag situation, but I hear that transition tags not
Speaker 7: off the table at eighteen million dollars.
Speaker 2: We'll see, but the fact that they're it is hefty.
Speaker 7: The fact that they're even entertaining that possibility lets me
Speaker 7: know exactly how badly, lets me know how badly they
Speaker 7: want to keep Agent double O nine to seven. In
Speaker 7: the building they talked about Stephen Jones did talked about
Speaker 7: definitely wanting to keep Jordan Lewis not breaking news. We
Speaker 7: know that they want to keep Jordan Lewis, and they're
Speaker 7: going to have conversations with the Marcus Lawrence's agents at
Speaker 7: the Combine as well. So those top two defensive linemen,
Speaker 7: as far as I'm the current roster, Cowboys are going
Speaker 7: to start those talks. And Michael Parsons it sounds like
Speaker 7: the Cowboys are as open to as he is to
Speaker 7: trying to get a deal done sooner than later. Love
Speaker 7: what Stephen Jones said about the difference between the Ceedy
Speaker 7: Lamb negotiation, the Dak Prescott negotiation, and the Michael Parsons negotiation.
Speaker 7: When you're negotiating with Dak Prescott, you were playing the market.
Speaker 7: When you negotiate with Citie Lamb, you were playing the market.
Speaker 7: You had Justin Jefferson out there. What does that look like?
Speaker 7: When does that fall when it comes to Michael Parsons,
Speaker 7: you you don't have that to contend with this year.
Speaker 7: It's it's Michael Parson's world as far as that market is.
Speaker 6: Those leaves don't need to fall.
Speaker 2: Come on, all in leaves falling, come on, rama can
Speaker 2: get route. So I don't know. I doubt that it
Speaker 2: will happen before free agency is route ear Ruth, I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: I rute, I hate you.
Speaker 7: It's it's we would love for the Michael Parsons still
Speaker 7: to happen before free agency so that cap money can
Speaker 7: be freed up for spending.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you don't know that it's going to happen?
Speaker 2: Yes or no? Is it going to happen Micah? Yes,
Speaker 2: before free agency?
Speaker 4: Before free agency?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No no no yes, Now before training camp ask me
Speaker 3: that before, Now ask me before training camp.
Speaker 2: I think that's fifty to fifty.
Speaker 14: That's right around where you would expect it both before
Speaker 14: before training camp. I think it would be before practices
Speaker 14: start a training camp. I mean I could see it
Speaker 14: as I could see it as like a Trayvon thing
Speaker 14: where like they get out to Oxnard and then they
Speaker 14: sign it, like when they get their same kind of
Speaker 14: thing where it was like very.
Speaker 7: Start legal tampering. It is March tenth, then March fourteenth
Speaker 7: is going to be sie fifteenth, fifteenth?
Speaker 2: Will it?
Speaker 9: Will Michael Parsons get his new contract before March fifteenth?
Speaker 2: Yes? No? No? Yes?
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 2: I would like to say yes? But are you do
Speaker 2: you know what? Okay?
Speaker 9: Yes, They're going to be selectively be aggressive and signed
Speaker 9: Michael Parsons before so that they know what they're dealing
Speaker 9: with and what they can't can't go get.
Speaker 7: I think they'll pull the other triggers that by them
Speaker 7: time they'll pull the deck trigger restructure, they will pull
Speaker 7: the CD trigger restructure to go ahead and get the
Speaker 7: money on the books right then, which then allows them
Speaker 7: the time to maybe go to O t A's early
Speaker 7: summer negotiating this deal.
Speaker 2: Because this be accomplished, I think they I think I
Speaker 2: think it happened.
Speaker 9: I don't feel great about it, but there's a number
Speaker 9: of reasons why I believe that they It's advantageous for
Speaker 9: the Cowboys to pull that trigger. Obviously, well not even
Speaker 9: just the salary cap right obviously, understanding what money they're
Speaker 9: going to have to play with going into free agency.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of big time free agents. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of iraids for that.
Speaker 4: Because it sets the table.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it allows you to do that.
Speaker 4: Do I think it's going to happen?
Speaker 9: Understood, But they also want him to be here for OTAs.
Speaker 9: They also want him to be here for voluntary workouts,
Speaker 9: all those.
Speaker 2: Things you need, you want.
Speaker 9: I don't want to say you have to, but you
Speaker 9: would like to incentivize him to get there and put
Speaker 9: him in a position.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I got.
Speaker 6: A bar real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 8: Not only does it set the table, but it actually
Speaker 8: gives you more food to invite more people. Yes, you
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. So yes, I think the quicker
Speaker 8: you're able to get it done. Obviously you're going to
Speaker 8: have you need folks to come in, free agents to
Speaker 8: come in before training camp. We don't need to do
Speaker 8: this whole rigamarole again.
Speaker 9: Or if you have a brand new coach, you have
Speaker 9: a the last thing you want to be dealing with
Speaker 9: is his contract. Of the contract of the you know,
Speaker 9: arguably the most dominant player at that position.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: The other guy is up for trades.
Speaker 9: Right, So you started talking about why do we want
Speaker 9: to start this offseason.
Speaker 2: Do we want to start this off season with contract talks?
Speaker 9: No, I don't want to start this season with contract talks.
Speaker 9: Do I want to start this off season not knowing
Speaker 9: how much money I have to go get be selectively aggressive?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 9: Do I want to start this off season not knowing
Speaker 9: what our salary cap position is going to be. No,
Speaker 9: these are all things that you can literally nix. You're
Speaker 9: in control of your environment that you're creating for this
Speaker 9: new coaching staff. Set them up, set this organization up
Speaker 9: for success by knocking it out. You already said you're
Speaker 9: not competing, You're not waiting on nobody. You're you are
Speaker 9: in negotiations with that person individual. There's not waiting on
Speaker 9: nobody else to set the market, go make it happen.
Speaker 7: He's already told you, and he's made it public that
Speaker 7: he is willing to take less to make sure that
Speaker 7: this deal gets done and that there are more people
Speaker 7: that can come to the table and eat.
Speaker 2: So I love the way you put it.
Speaker 7: You're competing against yourself right now, which should make for
Speaker 7: much easier and more efficient.
Speaker 2: It should grease the wheels, right So there's.
Speaker 9: No reason to wait at this I guess what I'm
Speaker 9: getting at Isak.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no reason why you would wait.
Speaker 9: There's no beneficial reason as to why you would wait
Speaker 9: to get Michael Parsons.
Speaker 6: Do we have all things to be aggressive about? Select this?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 7: We've seen DeMarcus Lawrence Dak Prescott on multiple occasions held
Speaker 7: DeMarcus loans and multiplications, and now CD Lamb on his
Speaker 7: first occasion of a second contract negotiation where it was
Speaker 7: always reactive, reactive, reactive, But then we saw them break
Speaker 7: rank and get proactive with a guy like Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 7: Pull a Trayvon Diggs this time, break your usual and
Speaker 7: make this happen fast.
Speaker 3: Since we're setting the table and since we're since we're
Speaker 3: serving some food for free agency, it's time to break bread.
Speaker 2: Everybody, let's go, let's start.
Speaker 3: Let's start breaking bread and breaking down the bread so
Speaker 3: that way we can dish it out to Micah Parsons
Speaker 3: and everywhere else across the board. All right, when we
Speaker 3: come back, I want to hear about Isaiah's combine experience.
Speaker 4: The former player in.
Speaker 3: The room has a very interesting thought process when it
Speaker 3: comes to the NFL combine. Plus, we've got some interesting
Speaker 3: how about the intel after this from Isaiah's time at
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Speaker 3: Kyle Yellmans, and on this panel we have a Super
Speaker 3: Bowl Champion.
Speaker 4: His name is I didn't want to stand back?
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, sorry, did neither did I? Uh?
Speaker 3: Super Bowl Champion, Emmy Award Winner Isaiah Standback. Some would
Speaker 3: say he's pretty intelligent when.
Speaker 2: It comes to the game of football.
Speaker 3: Times but you, uh, We've got something for you. When
Speaker 3: did you go to the combine? Two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: So the seven NFL combines, we're almost twenty years away
Speaker 3: from that. You guys have like a class reunion coming
Speaker 3: up around.
Speaker 2: That's a long time ago. Where are they now?
Speaker 3: So two thousand and seven Isaiah's in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: He's hanging out. He's doing a bunch of things.
Speaker 3: He's a lot of interviews, a lot of interviews, a
Speaker 3: lot of medical checkups as well that you've talked about
Speaker 3: extensively on this program before.
Speaker 2: A lot of tests, a lot of tests.
Speaker 3: Including one that's an IQ test. It's called the wonder Lick.
Speaker 3: If you've never heard of it before. It's a test
Speaker 3: that most teams. It's pretty standard across.
Speaker 2: The base of the league.
Speaker 3: It's given to these players, these draft prospects and then
Speaker 3: handed out to each of the teams, and the scouts
Speaker 3: then use it to kind of see where the general
Speaker 3: cognitive ability is for these players in math, vocabulary, and
Speaker 3: then reasoning. So they've got a couple different categories here.
Speaker 3: It was used by the Navy during World War Two
Speaker 3: to determine candidates for pilot training and navigation, and now
Speaker 3: it's you used to determine who's good at football. So
Speaker 3: some of the highest wonder Lake scores in NFL history,
Speaker 3: how about pack Mick Mickinally it was this guy, the
Speaker 3: pat that I'm talking about as a punter. Kevin Curtis
Speaker 3: was one of the highest wide receivers he got a
Speaker 3: forty eight. It's on a scale of fifty. By the way,
Speaker 3: forgive me if I'm wrong. Byron Jones, did he not score?
Speaker 3: Ryan Fitzpatrick quarterback was a forty eight the lead, bud,
Speaker 3: Come on, man, varying the lead. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Go to well to the very bottom, the very.
Speaker 3: Bottom air force. That's sure average score. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: was getting there, he said Patrick.
Speaker 2: Uh So.
Speaker 3: The lowest score was actually a former Cowboys draft pick,
Speaker 3: Morris Claiborne, got a four.
Speaker 4: And there's even an asterisk on there like it's it
Speaker 4: could be.
Speaker 2: He explained why.
Speaker 3: He was later diagnosed with a learning disability, so that
Speaker 3: that plays a factor into it. But there's some other
Speaker 3: ones on there that were Darren Davis, Oscar Davenport, Frank Gore,
Speaker 3: Vince Young. These are all guys that scored under a
Speaker 3: six in that. So we for the first time are
Speaker 3: going to divulge Isaiah Stamback wonder Licks scoring. He's never
Speaker 3: heard the number, he doesn't know what it is, and
Speaker 3: we're going to try.
Speaker 4: And rank it against some of the others.
Speaker 3: We're gonna see if it's above or below the average
Speaker 3: Wonderlick score from some of these other individuals, both by
Speaker 3: position and then by normal everyday job titles. So we've
Speaker 3: got like engineer and cashier, bank teller, nurse, some of
Speaker 3: these different things along the way. Beamer, Yes, sir, you
Speaker 3: have the one bullet.
Speaker 5: And it is a twenty three right in the middle.
Speaker 4: You were wonderfully average.
Speaker 5: Wow average, all right? Average for a quarterback?
Speaker 4: Me okay, so bady okay.
Speaker 3: So who's the average score by a quarterback is twenty six,
Speaker 3: So you're three points below the average. But you played
Speaker 3: a lot of wide receivers, saying, so you played wide out.
Speaker 3: The average twenty for a wide out, so you're three
Speaker 3: points above the average receiver.
Speaker 4: How about right, let's compare you.
Speaker 5: What can he do in life?
Speaker 2: Life?
Speaker 4: You are an electrician.
Speaker 6: None wrong with that, wrong, nothing wrong with that's money
Speaker 6: right there.
Speaker 2: That's a solid job.
Speaker 3: That's a really good a dispatcher, like a like a
Speaker 3: police and EMT dispatcher.
Speaker 7: And good under stress like you're just after those guys
Speaker 7: on those solar panels, see that right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, you're just a tad underqualified to be a secretary.
Speaker 6: Could have been charger money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The librarian was twenty seven seven.
Speaker 4: Librarian they read a lot part of it.
Speaker 3: It was a okay, you're also even with nurse, you
Speaker 3: could probably be a nurse.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 4: Twenty three is the average score from a nurse.
Speaker 3: Some of the ones that are below all the time
Speaker 3: bank teller, cashier, firefighter, mechanist, those are all below you. Firefighters, Yeah,
Speaker 3: above you are teacher, reporter, yeah, executive accountant, programmer. And
Speaker 3: then the highest at least that's on this list is
Speaker 3: like a systems analyst, and that's a thirty two. So
Speaker 3: that's that's like the highest everyday person they score.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that I'm average twenty three.
Speaker 5: The source text me. He goes, he must have been cheating.
Speaker 3: He got a twenty selected average.
Speaker 2: Bro, I don't even remember those tests.
Speaker 3: You don't remember like any of your questions or anything
Speaker 3: you remember like taking them.
Speaker 2: I do. What was the process, Like, oh, bro, I
Speaker 2: don't remember that specific one. I mean we did a
Speaker 2: lot of brain analyzation. Uh.
Speaker 9: They tested us on everything. It felt like you were
Speaker 9: doing SAT times ten. It was just it was one
Speaker 9: of those things where you were going through it. You're
Speaker 9: like like for what, like why right? You know what
Speaker 9: I'm saying, Like like you don't remember, which is why
Speaker 9: you don't remember taking it again because I'm not a
Speaker 9: test taker at that I mean, I stressed out about tests,
Speaker 9: so like I even got a twenty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that whole process was weird. I mean
Speaker 2: you that leading up.
Speaker 9: To the actual physical aspect of the combine that's at
Speaker 9: the end of your week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everything else is really a blur. It really is.
Speaker 9: Like all the test taking, it was a lot, man,
Speaker 9: It's a lot of stuff that you had to do.
Speaker 9: The medical for me at that point in time was
Speaker 9: really where my mind and emphasis was at because I
Speaker 9: couldn't do a lot of the physical stuff. I was
Speaker 9: coming off of surgery that to remove screws out of
Speaker 9: my foot, so by uh doctor's orders, I wasn't supposed
Speaker 9: to do any physical activity.
Speaker 2: I was literally still my foot was still swollen.
Speaker 9: So getting you know, poked and prodded on by doctors
Speaker 9: and you know, imagine being in the middle of all
Speaker 9: room at a hotel and you know, they have a
Speaker 9: table and literally all the doctors they come out. You
Speaker 9: walk out there and they announce your name and like
Speaker 9: all right, Isaiah stand bag you know, boom boom quarterback.
Speaker 9: You know, University of Washington and all right, have Adam
Speaker 9: and literally all these doctors get up from their tables
Speaker 9: and they walk out there and they all start like
Speaker 9: poking and grabbing on you and any injury that showed
Speaker 9: up on your on your list. They're literally trying to,
Speaker 9: you know, get you to show pain. Does this hurt?
Speaker 9: Does this hurt?
Speaker 2: No? Does this bother you? And I'm like, I just
Speaker 2: got out of.
Speaker 9: Surgery, bro bro it all hurts, But like you can't
Speaker 9: show that, right, So, like you're trying not to show
Speaker 9: any sign of weakness while they're analyzing you, because anything
Speaker 9: can hurt you if you WinCE, if you blink, if
Speaker 9: you like anything, right, like, they're gonna get you for it.
Speaker 9: So that portion sucked standing out there, you know, in
Speaker 9: your toonies, in front of a bunch of people with clipboards.
Speaker 9: You know, it's sitting in bleachers that doesn't not necessarily
Speaker 9: the most comfortable thing in the world, sitting in the
Speaker 9: pod little pod you know for body fat analysis, putting
Speaker 9: a little scoop of scoopa hat on. There's a lot
Speaker 9: of things like that, but a lot of the conversations
Speaker 9: that you have behind the scenes that that was the
Speaker 9: stuff that you remember, you know the jokes, and you
Speaker 9: know youre trying to make fun of the situation. It's
Speaker 9: a high stress situation that you really have no control over.
Speaker 3: If you have any friends that you still like talk
Speaker 3: to from combine times, I know what happens.
Speaker 4: It's like a it's like a weekend at camp.
Speaker 6: Right, the people you were hanging out with.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean we I mean I was in the
Speaker 9: quarterbacks room for the most part, right, So, I mean
Speaker 9: we had myself, John Beck, Troy Smith, Brady Quinn in
Speaker 9: no way wow quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: So, I mean there's a lot of conversations going on,
Speaker 9: and then you get to the physical aspect, and I
Speaker 9: couldn't do a lot of the things that I wanted
Speaker 9: to do because I was coming off with surgery. The
Speaker 9: fact that I was even invited to the combine after
Speaker 9: having played just six games of my senior series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 4: It's trying to make you feel I feel like it
Speaker 4: was twenty nine.
Speaker 2: I was frustrated because I wanted to do the forty.
Speaker 9: Like I had ran track and became the fastest quarterback
Speaker 9: in the nation, so I wanted to show that and
Speaker 9: I couldn't. Right, I would have I actually text my
Speaker 9: track coach this morning. I was like, hey, coach, with
Speaker 9: my one hundred time, you know what would I have
Speaker 9: ran in the forty?
Speaker 2: He was like, you know, mid four threes? I said,
Speaker 2: all right, that'd have been nice to Yeah, that had
Speaker 2: been nice to have run. But you know, I threw.
Speaker 9: I wasn't supposed to against doctor's orders because I was like,
Speaker 9: there's no way that I'm going to be on this
Speaker 9: platform and not show something.
Speaker 2: So we need to dig up some old throwing footage.
Speaker 2: I'm on it. Yeah that should be fun, but no
Speaker 2: great experience all in all. But it's fast. It's a
Speaker 2: fast week, man. It's in the meetings.
Speaker 9: I mean they try to tire you out your meetings
Speaker 9: until over, you know, past midnight.
Speaker 2: Depending on who you are.
Speaker 9: You have a lanyard that on the back of the
Speaker 9: lanyard that has every day and then at a certain
Speaker 9: time what you're done with all your testing for the day,
Speaker 9: after you have dinner, it's like, Okay, you got to
Speaker 9: meet with this team at this time, this team at
Speaker 9: this time.
Speaker 2: And you're literally going room to room meeting with all.
Speaker 9: These teams and coaches and front office execs, and it's stressful.
Speaker 4: Man, do you remember your bench You remember how you benched?
Speaker 9: Yes, I didn't hit it enough. I was frustrated. That
Speaker 9: was a whole situation.
Speaker 4: Would you guess over or under?
Speaker 2: His wonders? Oh, you know it already. What do you know?
Speaker 2: What are you over look over under?
Speaker 4: The twenty three of the Wonderlick score for his bench press.
Speaker 6: Four forty five is right there, buddy, he said he
Speaker 6: was frustrated.
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, I was very frustrated. I should hit more.
Speaker 2: I'm still going to say over.
Speaker 3: Another quarterback beat him though it was it was under.
Speaker 3: It was twenty two give you, but it was close.
Speaker 3: It was a close one. The uh beamer, you said,
Speaker 3: another quarterback, and he's pretty mad about it.
Speaker 4: We talked about it this morning.
Speaker 5: Brady Quinn twenty four?
Speaker 4: What Brady Quinn beat you in the bench?
Speaker 9: G I Joe bro That's what I literally call him.
Speaker 9: He's a walking g I Joe figuring.
Speaker 3: No, I'm done, He's a walking He's a specimen.
Speaker 2: He's a physical specimen. For sure.
Speaker 4: He was damn for you in the end.
Speaker 7: Yes, by the way, Melvin in the chant said that
Speaker 7: you were a beast on matten and kick return.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's there's that four to three speed.
Speaker 4: We know and love Matt and knew, Yeah, Mad and New.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I did.
Speaker 5: I did do some research here. I got buried churches.
Speaker 16: If you guys want any of the wonder lick, I
Speaker 16: don't have his wonderleg score. I do have forty time though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 4: Four sixty nine?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 16: He was nineteen reps on the bench, nineteen on Bitch Baby,
Speaker 16: thirty six vert and ten to one broad she waited
Speaker 16: sleek two, twenty two lean.
Speaker 9: I mean, hey, listen, anything over fifteen on bench presses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's legit.
Speaker 2: That's legit.
Speaker 4: So what Josh does on a regular basis, bro, that's legit.
Speaker 6: I told him I was like four forty five, do
Speaker 6: like four of them?
Speaker 2: Four solid? After it? I like it?
Speaker 16: All right?
Speaker 2: We got it.
Speaker 9: Larry Elliott I had one hundred and was it like
Speaker 9: seventy three or someone crazy like times twelve?
Speaker 7: Larry Allen? I mean did he hit on bench at
Speaker 7: one point? His doing it with one hand because he
Speaker 7: was like, what am I even here for?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 16: Actually, we talked about this with Chris Hall the other
Speaker 16: day and he said his his combine wasn't great because
Speaker 16: he was coming off a peck injury, I believe.
Speaker 6: So it was that great.
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 5: The Pro Bowl he like shattered it.
Speaker 2: It was like forty three times. Yeah, insentive, stupid.
Speaker 3: All right, that does it for us here on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 3: Hope you had some fun. We'll be back. We're gonna
Speaker 3: break down what happens in the drills on the combine.
Speaker 3: Does it affect how the Cowboys are gonna draft? At
Speaker 3: twelve and there after that? Uh Isaiah's WONDERLA scores at
Speaker 3: twenty three is interested twenty two his forty was a
Speaker 3: four six nine.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: What is that insulting to say that?
Speaker 2: It's about four to three? Guys?
Speaker 4: What are you saying here?
Speaker 2: Don't you put that on me? What are you saying?
Speaker 2: Very charged? He wasn't a speed guy. He was a hitter.
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