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Speaker 1: I'll tell you too. She never told me anything about

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Speaker 1: the murder. She finally said the word killed, and I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. It sounded like she was

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Speaker 1: a pretty nice girl, and she piped up she was

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Speaker 1: a perfect girl.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a true crime author and the

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Speaker 2: host of tenfold More Wicked On exactly Right, And this

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Speaker 2: season is called the Echo of Murder because it's about

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Speaker 2: the murder of a young woman with so much potential,

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Speaker 2: who felt so much pressure to be perfect, and how

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Speaker 2: everyone in her family for generations has been impacted by

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Speaker 2: her death.

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Speaker 3: I was a teenager before he ever even spoke of that.

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Speaker 3: It's like it was a deep secret in his past,

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Speaker 3: and he did not speak of that.

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Speaker 4: I think one of the side effects for Dad was

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Speaker 4: that family became everything. He would never ever abandon the

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Speaker 4: family for any reason whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: This is a story about one man's lifelong obsession with

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Speaker 2: his babysitter's murder.

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Speaker 5: My dad saw this as me really important. He had

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Speaker 5: been fascinated by this case, and I don't think he

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Speaker 5: understood why, and I don't think I understand why.

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Speaker 2: What did he tell you about this case?

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Speaker 6: He mentioned it once in a while, but that was

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Speaker 6: about all until he got on this obsession with it.

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Speaker 2: This season is about a legal defense that's offensive and humiliating,

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Speaker 2: and it's still used today to attack the victim.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's an old country thing about Texas that

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Speaker 5: in a murder case, you know, you want to prove

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Speaker 5: the person needed killing.

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Speaker 2: But most importantly it's about a family who still feels

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Speaker 2: the pain from one woman's death almost one hundred years later.

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Speaker 7: There's that whole thing of like how trauma can be

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Speaker 7: written into your DNA. We have a Simon's family curse.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kate Winkler Dawson and this is season six of

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Speaker 2: tenfold More Wicked. Season six of Tenfold More Wicked premieres

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Speaker 2: on Monday, April twenty fifth on Exactly Right. Subscribe now

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