1
00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:08,959
Speaker 1: Previously on. After the uprising, I'm pretty sure Dalos County

2
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,959
Speaker 1: discovered that the crime actually happened in the city, so

3
00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,920
Speaker 1: that the city took over an investigation.

4
00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a lot more to it than I

5
00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,880
Speaker 2: can even begin to tell you.

6
00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,240
Speaker 3: They followed me every wile tho my mom told me,

7
00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,919
Speaker 3: he said, they don't feel me. If they do, he said,

8
00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,960
Speaker 3: don't you, but they can see nothing different. The people

9
00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,040
Speaker 3: at this traffic stop are FBI Special Agent at US,

10
00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,560
Speaker 3: Deputy Marshall, and a police sergeant in addition to the

11
00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,519
Speaker 3: uniform officers who are apparently making me stop. And that

12
00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,640
Speaker 3: tells me that it's a task for I got.

13
00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,959
Speaker 4: Ahold of our detective and essentially the suspect.

14
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,479
Speaker 5: We applied for warrants on his disease.

15
00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,440
Speaker 4: His case never got issued. However, I do see mister

16
00:00:50,479 --> 00:01:08,240
Speaker 4: Irvin is deceased, and I don't know when he passed away.

17
00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,160
Speaker 2: What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand

18
00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,240
Speaker 2: jury deciding not to indict off.

19
00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,800
Speaker 6: The nine year old Darren Seals was murdered before his

20
00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,199
Speaker 6: killer set his car on fire.

21
00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,840
Speaker 2: Once they put out the flames, they discovered Seal's body

22
00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,440
Speaker 2: inside with a gunshop.

23
00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,760
Speaker 7: You want a gun on me, am I am I

24
00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,680
Speaker 7: foot your older brothers ferguson BD, grab me by my heart,

25
00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,520
Speaker 7: slam me.

26
00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,000
Speaker 8: Out the car.

27
00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,959
Speaker 7: He says, you might want you might want to pick

28
00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,240
Speaker 7: your enemies better.

29
00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,840
Speaker 9: The way down stat brace, stay out of the way,

30
00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,960
Speaker 9: run a jack, stay with that ak.

31
00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,320
Speaker 10: Don't let Jones love in.

32
00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,880
Speaker 11: The city of don I gotta dang.

33
00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,760
Speaker 12: I got in there, Wait up because I ain't.

34
00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,360
Speaker 10: Got here with a sun.

35
00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,640
Speaker 12: Yeahs a wig gag.

36
00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,520
Speaker 11: Watch your homeboys and watch you get with.

37
00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,320
Speaker 1: The music we just played was from the Bottom Boy

38
00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,400
Speaker 1: song Can't Go. The verse was performed by Anthony Irvin

39
00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,840
Speaker 1: aka Kilo. The music video is available on YouTube, and

40
00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,320
Speaker 1: if you watch it, you'll see that it begins with

41
00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,120
Speaker 1: Darren driving in his jeep with a young woman by

42
00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,760
Speaker 1: his side. Ironically enough, Kilo's verse ends with him singing,

43
00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,399
Speaker 1: watch your homeboys and watch the one you kick with.

44
00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,600
Speaker 13: So his uncle had a recording studio, and look used

45
00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,960
Speaker 13: to go down there into his uncle's recording studio.

46
00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,200
Speaker 10: When he was younger.

47
00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,760
Speaker 13: He started out singing gospel. The whole family sung gospel.

48
00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,720
Speaker 1: This is Kilo's grandmother, Peggy McNutt. As an adult, Kila

49
00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,280
Speaker 1: lived with her from time to time, so she was

50
00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,839
Speaker 1: aware not only of his efforts to establish himself as

51
00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,880
Speaker 1: a rapper, but of the many incidents of violence in

52
00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,840
Speaker 1: his life. Note that when she speaks about him, she

53
00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000
Speaker 1: calls him by the nickname little Aunt. Aunt is short

54
00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,640
Speaker 1: for Anthony, and as that was his father's name, he

55
00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:32,640
Speaker 1: was Little Aunt.

56
00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,440
Speaker 13: She got shot twenty one past what at that time

57
00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,400
Speaker 13: at was living with me. His mother had put him

58
00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,520
Speaker 13: out of the house in twenty sixteen. His mother had

59
00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,120
Speaker 13: a boyfriend that didn't wan't look at there, so she

60
00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,520
Speaker 13: put look Aunt out.

61
00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:52,560
Speaker 10: Now.

62
00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,400
Speaker 13: I told her, maybe you should think about this. Only

63
00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:57,960
Speaker 13: thing out on the street.

64
00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,720
Speaker 10: Is death or jail. That's just the He got shot right.

65
00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,760
Speaker 13: There between your eyes. That might kind of look like

66
00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,760
Speaker 13: he was a cross that but when he they released

67
00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,240
Speaker 13: them from the hospital, that's when he started to stand

68
00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:13,640
Speaker 13: with me.

69
00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,760
Speaker 1: Kilo was shot on several different occasions. His grandmother had

70
00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,240
Speaker 1: a hard time keeping track of these events and placing

71
00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,160
Speaker 1: them chronologically. Looking through available police reports, we can see

72
00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,760
Speaker 1: that one of the incidents in which Kilo was shot

73
00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,680
Speaker 1: in the leg actually happened on the evening of September sixth,

74
00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,719
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Yes, that is less than twenty four hours

75
00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,919
Speaker 1: after Darren's body was found. It's an event that's hard

76
00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,760
Speaker 1: to decipher by just looking at the police report, but

77
00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,120
Speaker 1: Kilo and another man, markwan Lee, both end up shot

78
00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,880
Speaker 1: at the same location in Castle Point, basically at the

79
00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,920
Speaker 1: same time, but they go to the hospital separately, and

80
00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,120
Speaker 1: then they both tell the police that they have no

81
00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,200
Speaker 1: idea who it was who shot at them or why. Again.

82
00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,080
Speaker 1: Peggy's memory of these shootings is fuzzy, but she does

83
00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,159
Speaker 1: remember that there was once an incident wherein several agents

84
00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,120
Speaker 1: who she didn't believe for local police, came to her

85
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,520
Speaker 1: home looking for Kilo.

86
00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,120
Speaker 13: First of all, I would not open the door to

87
00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 13: just anybody, not even the damn police. Okay, because the

88
00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,719
Speaker 13: police did come here, so it wasn't the city police.

89
00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,279
Speaker 13: I don't know what kind of police needs was. I

90
00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,800
Speaker 13: don't think they was police up because they had on

91
00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:38,279
Speaker 13: black So my guys, see, those ain't police. He said,

92
00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,520
Speaker 13: those are fans.

93
00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:39,960
Speaker 12: Coming for him.

94
00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,520
Speaker 13: I said, well, why would the FAIX come for him.

95
00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,159
Speaker 1: Kilo was killed on April nineteenth, twenty twenty. He was

96
00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,799
Speaker 1: shot around six thirty pm, though he didn't die until

97
00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,480
Speaker 1: later in the evening, when he was in the hospital.

98
00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,080
Speaker 1: His grandmother says he was able to call her from

99
00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,919
Speaker 1: the first hospital he was taken to.

100
00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,479
Speaker 13: He's talking to me and telling me, Grandma, you don't

101
00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,719
Speaker 13: have to come down here. They tend to transfer me

102
00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,520
Speaker 13: to board. What did he sound like?

103
00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,320
Speaker 3: He sound like hisself.

104
00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,480
Speaker 13: He didn't sound like he was in distressed. That's why

105
00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,000
Speaker 13: of I didn't worry about it. That's why of I

106
00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,320
Speaker 13: didn't go down there. So we was very calm that

107
00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,440
Speaker 13: everything was gonna be off. And then all of a sudden,

108
00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,680
Speaker 13: they said he passed. And I'm like, well, how could

109
00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,159
Speaker 13: he pass when.

110
00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,360
Speaker 14: I just got them talking to him.

111
00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,080
Speaker 13: He was popping normal. He wasn't talking like I'm heard granted,

112
00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,800
Speaker 13: come on down here to see about me. Come get me, granny,

113
00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,520
Speaker 13: come help me, none of that.

114
00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,320
Speaker 1: Did he ever tell you who he thought was.

115
00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,040
Speaker 10: Shooting at him?

116
00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,479
Speaker 13: No, he never told me and I never knew. And

117
00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,240
Speaker 13: let's just how that went.

118
00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,800
Speaker 1: If you remember an episode two, teft Poe told us

119
00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,880
Speaker 1: that he heard Darren was killed by a rapper who

120
00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,120
Speaker 1: himself had been murdered in twenty twenty that describes Kilo

121
00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,640
Speaker 1: also said that this rapper was killed in retribution for

122
00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,120
Speaker 1: Darren's murder. We wanted to know if that was true,

123
00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,280
Speaker 1: and fortunately for us, we were able to get the

124
00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,920
Speaker 1: report from the Saint Louis County Police that details the

125
00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,840
Speaker 1: investigation into Kilo's murder. It's ninety seven pages long and

126
00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,760
Speaker 1: it contains a lot of information. Interestingly, the first officer

127
00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,280
Speaker 1: on the scene was flagged down by a man named

128
00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,720
Speaker 1: Marcus Hines, who was trying to load Kilo's body into

129
00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,880
Speaker 1: a car to get him to a hospital. Kilo was

130
00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,520
Speaker 1: reported as having been unresponsive. Taking this fact with what

131
00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,800
Speaker 1: his grandmother Peggy said about talking to Kilo on the

132
00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,600
Speaker 1: phone when he was in the hospital, we have to

133
00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,240
Speaker 1: presume that Kilo was revived by medical staff before he

134
00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,760
Speaker 1: ultimately passed away. Anyway, according to Marcus, he had been

135
00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,320
Speaker 1: inside the house where the shooting took place when he heard

136
00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,000
Speaker 1: arguing outside and then gunshots. Even when outside to see

137
00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,560
Speaker 1: what was going on and found Kelo bleeding on the lawn.

138
00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,520
Speaker 1: The home didn't belong to Marcus, and Marcus said he

139
00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,080
Speaker 1: didn't know the full name of the person whose house

140
00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,600
Speaker 1: it was. Detectives who arrived described a blood trail from

141
00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,040
Speaker 1: near the front of the home to the backseat of

142
00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,560
Speaker 1: a car in the driveway, which they found consistent with

143
00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,960
Speaker 1: the story Marcus told of trying to get Kilo into

144
00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,480
Speaker 1: a car so he could get him to a hospital.

145
00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,040
Speaker 1: On the ground were four spent nine millimeter bullet casings,

146
00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,679
Speaker 1: as well as bullets and parts from a broken pistol magazine.

147
00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,920
Speaker 15: What initially alerted police to the shooting was a system

148
00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,520
Speaker 15: of microphones that are present throughout the area that automatically

149
00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,600
Speaker 15: call police if there are gunshots. This system is called

150
00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,240
Speaker 15: shot spotter, and apparently the shot spotter had indicated that

151
00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,560
Speaker 15: there were shots fired both inside and outside of the house,

152
00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,079
Speaker 15: so police entered the home. There was no one else there,

153
00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,360
Speaker 15: but they did find four more spent shell casing just

154
00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,200
Speaker 15: inside the door. They also found another pistol an electronic

155
00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,560
Speaker 15: scale in plastic bags, which they believed indicated that the

156
00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,880
Speaker 15: house was used to sell drugs. As police were canvassing

157
00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,440
Speaker 15: the neighborhood, the owner of the house where Kilo had

158
00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,720
Speaker 15: been shot came home. Her name is Latasha McPherson, and

159
00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,440
Speaker 15: when police asked her if she knew Kilo, she said

160
00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,240
Speaker 15: yes and that he was quote Satan's seed. She said

161
00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,360
Speaker 15: Keilo was not welcome in her home because he was

162
00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,760
Speaker 15: always pulling guns on people and trying to rob them.

163
00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,720
Speaker 15: While police were investigating, an anonymous caller reported a black

164
00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,720
Speaker 15: Pontiac had been abandoned just up the street at a

165
00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,720
Speaker 15: dead end. Police found the car and had it towed.

166
00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,040
Speaker 15: The car belonged to a young man named Troy Doyle Junior.

167
00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,120
Speaker 15: Troy actually returned to the crime scene and stood outside

168
00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,280
Speaker 15: of the police caution tape. He identified himself and voluntarily

169
00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,280
Speaker 15: went to the police station to give a statement. Marcus,

170
00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,800
Speaker 15: the man who was trying to load Kilo's body into

171
00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,520
Speaker 15: a also voluntarily went with the police. Their testimonies are long,

172
00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,840
Speaker 15: so we'll try to condense them to the most necessary facts.

173
00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,480
Speaker 15: We don't have audio of Marcus, but reading from the report,

174
00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,679
Speaker 15: we know that he said he was cooking food when

175
00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,520
Speaker 15: two cars arrived at the house, one being Troy Doyle's Pontiac,

176
00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,640
Speaker 15: the other a Dodge Durango that remained parked on the street.

177
00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,079
Speaker 15: He said Kilo exited from Troy's car, as did another

178
00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,079
Speaker 15: black man. He says it sounded like Kilo had sold

179
00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,800
Speaker 15: a broken firearm to the other man. He says that

180
00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,360
Speaker 15: these men argued as they approached the house. Then there

181
00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,640
Speaker 15: were gunshots and the other man got back into Troy's car,

182
00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,520
Speaker 15: which drove off towards the dead end. The Durango parked

183
00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,440
Speaker 15: on the street also fled. We do have audio of

184
00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,480
Speaker 15: Troy Doyle Junior's multiple statements to the police. Across it.

185
00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,680
Speaker 15: You can hear his story change. You can also hear

186
00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,679
Speaker 15: how detectives work him for details using a variety of tactics.

187
00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,079
Speaker 15: In his first interview, Troy is being questioned by detectives

188
00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,920
Speaker 15: Matthew Levy and Jason Whiteside of the Saint Louis County Police,

189
00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,040
Speaker 15: and Troyce starts a statement by claiming that he was

190
00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,200
Speaker 15: in Castle Point that day looking for someone he called

191
00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,120
Speaker 15: lawnmower man to help him clean the rims of his car.

192
00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,160
Speaker 14: What did who were you doing today?

193
00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,720
Speaker 9: Welcome to the morning, my plan to get my car

194
00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,320
Speaker 9: claimed today?

195
00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,600
Speaker 14: Do you usually have one person you go to up there?

196
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,200
Speaker 10: Yes, sir, who do you go to? His name is Mark.

197
00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,720
Speaker 10: I called him lawnmower man.

198
00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,720
Speaker 14: Lawnmore man. Hey, where'd you pick them up?

199
00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:26,840
Speaker 11: Bag?

200
00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,600
Speaker 10: When I picked him up? I picked them up off

201
00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:29,800
Speaker 10: of Duke And.

202
00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,800
Speaker 14: Where were you guys heading from there? Well?

203
00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,160
Speaker 9: I was gonna go back to his house and let

204
00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,800
Speaker 9: him watch my corn his driveway at his mom's house.

205
00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,200
Speaker 9: But then that's when he hit me with we might

206
00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,160
Speaker 9: not be able to do it there, so I was

207
00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,960
Speaker 9: gonna go on castle to my uncle Joe.

208
00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,199
Speaker 10: House to see what we can do with there.

209
00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,280
Speaker 9: So then we just with riding and talking, went up

210
00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,040
Speaker 9: on castle, went to was the dead and the castle

211
00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,240
Speaker 9: one of shots and stuff went off.

212
00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,240
Speaker 14: May remember how shots here?

213
00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,520
Speaker 10: I know I heard at least three.

214
00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,439
Speaker 15: Troyce said he found lawnmower Man and just happened to

215
00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,080
Speaker 15: be driving by the house where Kilo was shot and

216
00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,600
Speaker 15: hearing the gunfire, that he ditched his car at the

217
00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,320
Speaker 15: dead end out of fear and ran away, heading for

218
00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,360
Speaker 15: his nearby uncle's house. When asked, Troyce stated it was

219
00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,320
Speaker 15: only him and lawnmower Man in his car. He claimed

220
00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,880
Speaker 15: he didn't know Kilo beyond him just being a guy

221
00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,280
Speaker 15: from around the neighborhood.

222
00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:20,840
Speaker 14: Did you see anybody at that point?

223
00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:21,240
Speaker 13: No?

224
00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:26,320
Speaker 9: Sorry, I panic jumped out of my car, took out Ronnie,

225
00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,760
Speaker 9: I did, say, Anthony laying down. I ran path like

226
00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,400
Speaker 9: I say, I panic and I ran in a wall

227
00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,000
Speaker 9: through about the house that I shows one on four

228
00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,840
Speaker 9: block of Calful.

229
00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,280
Speaker 6: So he ran back down, Yes, sir, towards it, Okay,

230
00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,240
Speaker 6: to your uncle's house.

231
00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,320
Speaker 14: One thing though, quick, do you know Anthony?

232
00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,200
Speaker 10: I know him from the neighborhood. Okay, what do you

233
00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:50,480
Speaker 10: know about him? Not too much? Not too much, he'd

234
00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,040
Speaker 10: just be out out there.

235
00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,720
Speaker 14: Okay, back in for second try. When you're driving, you're driving,

236
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,720
Speaker 14: and Longerman marks where is he in the passenger seat?

237
00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,880
Speaker 14: Is there anybody else in the carman?

238
00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,560
Speaker 15: After their first interviews, both Marcus and Troy voluntarily gave

239
00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,440
Speaker 15: DNA samples and were released. When Troy's car was searched,

240
00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,680
Speaker 15: police found four cell phones in a Duffel bag containing

241
00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,200
Speaker 15: many plastic bags of marijuana. When police brought Troy in

242
00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,720
Speaker 15: for a second interview, his story began to drastically change.

243
00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,000
Speaker 15: He starts off saying again that he was driving with

244
00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,000
Speaker 15: lawnmow Man, that they passed the house where Kilo was shot,

245
00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,480
Speaker 15: and that he saw Kelo standing alone in front of

246
00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,800
Speaker 15: the house before he heard the shots. The lead detective

247
00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,359
Speaker 15: in the case, Detective Christopher bray Miller, joins the questioning

248
00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,720
Speaker 15: and with Detective Levy, begins to add new details, telling

249
00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,880
Speaker 15: Troy that witnesses had seen Keilo getting out of his car,

250
00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,960
Speaker 15: and it soon seems to become apparent to Troy that

251
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,920
Speaker 15: his initial story isn't going to hold.

252
00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,200
Speaker 2: I have a few problems with this because one, at

253
00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:53,680
Speaker 2: that time of the.

254
00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,360
Speaker 14: Day, there's several people outside.

255
00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,280
Speaker 2: Okay, there was more than one witness who said they

256
00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:00,360
Speaker 2: seen Anthony out.

257
00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,400
Speaker 14: Of your vehicle. When's less time Anthony.

258
00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,800
Speaker 10: Was in your He was in my vehicle earlier yesterday.

259
00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,040
Speaker 10: I took him to the Conico.

260
00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,760
Speaker 14: Just you and Anthony in the car. Yes, so he

261
00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,240
Speaker 14: was right in the passenger seat.

262
00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,800
Speaker 6: So how you're gonna explain if Anthony's DNA comes up

263
00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,600
Speaker 6: somewhere else in your carb sized passenger seat.

264
00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,120
Speaker 10: I mean, he didn't been in one car more than once, okay,

265
00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,240
Speaker 10: but he didn't been in the flight and its call.

266
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,480
Speaker 6: Okay, but I'm talking about fresh DNA. How are you

267
00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,640
Speaker 6: gonna explain that, Troy? Here's the thing, man, We're giving

268
00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,480
Speaker 6: you an opportunity here to get ahead of something.

269
00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,480
Speaker 14: Okay, it's whether or not you want to take it.

270
00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,720
Speaker 6: He just told you Anthony's death. Do we either of

271
00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,720
Speaker 6: us think you shot him? No, I don't think you

272
00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,600
Speaker 6: shot him. But do we think Anthony was in your car?

273
00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,120
Speaker 6: Think and shit went bad? But you got to start

274
00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,040
Speaker 6: talking to us now, because if you're going to.

275
00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,880
Speaker 2: Be a witness to this homicide, where you're going to

276
00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,920
Speaker 2: be a suspect of this homicide, and that that's what

277
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna come down too, because in the state of

278
00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,080
Speaker 2: Missouri there's come something called felony murder where if you're involved.

279
00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,480
Speaker 6: In a felony crime and somebody dies as a result

280
00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,640
Speaker 6: of that pelony crime, you can be held accountable of that.

281
00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,440
Speaker 10: I was involved in no crime. Okay, Okay, going to

282
00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:14,560
Speaker 10: commit no crime.

283
00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,120
Speaker 14: That's fine. But why was Anthony in your car today?

284
00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,560
Speaker 14: You got to start talking to.

285
00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:18,840
Speaker 9: Us, Troy.

286
00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,200
Speaker 10: Anthony was in more car. Like I say, this is

287
00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,320
Speaker 10: not in ordinary.

288
00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:22,800
Speaker 14: What do you do?

289
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,840
Speaker 10: I come over there? He gets in one car?

290
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,240
Speaker 11: Okay?

291
00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:26,760
Speaker 14: Why did you pick up with Anthony today?

292
00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,400
Speaker 9: I picked up Anthony today, take him to Knicco. After

293
00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,720
Speaker 9: we came back from Connaco. He asked me to drop him.

294
00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:32,280
Speaker 10: Off on Cassle.

295
00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,760
Speaker 14: Okay, who else was in the car?

296
00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,280
Speaker 10: It was me and himmore Man and who else?

297
00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:37,440
Speaker 12: That's it?

298
00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,840
Speaker 6: No, we all waitnesses up there, Troy, Who damn street

299
00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:41,760
Speaker 6: has doorbell cameras?

300
00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,480
Speaker 2: And where you went parked your car?

301
00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,640
Speaker 14: I don't know if you've ever paid attention over there.

302
00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,880
Speaker 14: I mean there's cameras.

303
00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,920
Speaker 2: Shine right right down that alley or right down that

304
00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,960
Speaker 2: little street at the dead end.

305
00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,560
Speaker 15: You just heard Detective Bray Miller tell Troy that the

306
00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,160
Speaker 15: street is home to many cameras, implying that Troy should

307
00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,400
Speaker 15: just fess up to what happened because they have it

308
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,280
Speaker 15: on video. In truth, detectives did go door to door

309
00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,960
Speaker 15: asking residents what they saw or heard that night, and

310
00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,120
Speaker 15: of those who did have doorbell cameras and who cooperated

311
00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:16,440
Speaker 15: with the police, their cameras actually captured nothing of the shooting. Further,

312
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,640
Speaker 15: no one in the neighborhood claimed to have seen anything.

313
00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,480
Speaker 15: Several residents said they heard shots, but that was all.

314
00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,800
Speaker 15: So when detectives are making these statements to Troy about

315
00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,640
Speaker 15: witnesses and cameras, they're hoping he will himself come forward

316
00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,400
Speaker 15: with facts that they themselves do not yet have. And

317
00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,000
Speaker 15: it works.

318
00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,720
Speaker 10: He said, I did not know what was finn hat.

319
00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,400
Speaker 14: That's fine. Then let's let's see a girl man talk.

320
00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,320
Speaker 14: Who else was in your cover?

321
00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:46,960
Speaker 9: Me?

322
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,760
Speaker 10: Lah more Man and Wolby Woby. Your name is Lamara

323
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,479
Speaker 10: join Lamark Joiner.

324
00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:00,480
Speaker 15: Und Lamont's joiner, or woob, as troy called it, was

325
00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,040
Speaker 15: apparently riding in the car when the men arrived at

326
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,760
Speaker 15: the house, where an argument ensued. When the detective asked

327
00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,600
Speaker 15: what the argument was about, Troyce said that there had

328
00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,000
Speaker 15: never been a plan to kill anyone. He said he

329
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,240
Speaker 15: would never drive someone to do something like that.

330
00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,520
Speaker 9: I think I would leave my car here, it had

331
00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,639
Speaker 9: my phone in here, this car race through to me,

332
00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,200
Speaker 9: all this in my name? Take this gap, period of

333
00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,000
Speaker 9: kit or whatever, you know whatever. I'm not that smart,

334
00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,760
Speaker 9: but I'm not that dumb neither. You know I'm not

335
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,560
Speaker 9: that dumb neither.

336
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:27,560
Speaker 14: So where do you guys find home?

337
00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:28,000
Speaker 3: Moore Man?

338
00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,400
Speaker 10: Where do we find lotmore Man? I picked lotmar Man

339
00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:30,920
Speaker 10: up on Douke.

340
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:31,240
Speaker 16: Okay?

341
00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,000
Speaker 14: Where did he get in the car? Or which seat

342
00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:33,680
Speaker 14: he got in?

343
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,520
Speaker 10: The pathage decide?

344
00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,000
Speaker 14: Okay? And then what happened?

345
00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,399
Speaker 10: And then we went up on castle?

346
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,000
Speaker 16: All right?

347
00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,600
Speaker 6: I have a little bit of problem with the seating,

348
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,280
Speaker 6: but we'll get to that a minute. What happened when

349
00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,080
Speaker 6: he got up on Cansel?

350
00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,320
Speaker 10: When we got up on castle and let Anthony out?

351
00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,159
Speaker 10: And who else got out him?

352
00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,960
Speaker 9: And will be I guess got out the car because

353
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,600
Speaker 9: he was trying to get Antonio to tell me to

354
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,840
Speaker 9: get back in the car, to calm.

355
00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,480
Speaker 10: Him down or whatever.

356
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,680
Speaker 14: What do you mean to calm him down?

357
00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,359
Speaker 10: Because basically he I guess he was. He was getting heated.

358
00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,160
Speaker 9: Why for whatever the word, Troy, Why because the guys

359
00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 9: that won't care they don't like him up there?

360
00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,520
Speaker 14: Okay, what happened between those two?

361
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,760
Speaker 10: It wasn't really nothing that happened that day.

362
00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,920
Speaker 9: I'm getting someone previous didn't happen with Oh, with Antonio

363
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,560
Speaker 9: and a guy they'd probably there was up there. So

364
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,280
Speaker 9: those guys up there already felt some type of way

365
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,080
Speaker 9: about Antonio already, So.

366
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,159
Speaker 10: I was already telling him.

367
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,160
Speaker 9: I'm like, oh, guy might be labing and smelling, which

368
00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,320
Speaker 9: but they really don't care for you really, So Antonio

369
00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,359
Speaker 9: had something of he liked to be like a debo

370
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,040
Speaker 9: kind of sort of type of person.

371
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,560
Speaker 15: When Troy says that Kilo was a debo type of person,

372
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,280
Speaker 15: he's making a reference to the character from the movie Friday, who,

373
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,360
Speaker 15: using his formidable size, bullies everyone in the neighborhood, stealing

374
00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,879
Speaker 15: from them at will. This seems to line up with

375
00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,560
Speaker 15: the statement made to police by the homeowner Latasha McPherson,

376
00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,200
Speaker 15: the one who called Kilo satan seed.

377
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,919
Speaker 9: He had the type of attitude if he felt like

378
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 9: he was a little skirt or just maybe a little bit,

379
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,520
Speaker 9: he fees off of it. So those guys looked better.

380
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 9: They showed him a little bit of weekends, as I

381
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,639
Speaker 9: can say. So he was thriving off of it. But

382
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 9: I guess today where he normally go do? I guess

383
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:12,920
Speaker 9: today it just came to.

384
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,159
Speaker 14: White woolle shooting?

385
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 10: What behoo?

386
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:18,439
Speaker 14: Who shot him?

387
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:19,360
Speaker 16: I have no clue.

388
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,160
Speaker 10: I didn't see nobody should woobe that shoe?

389
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,440
Speaker 14: You know Woob didn't shoot?

390
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,720
Speaker 2: You tell me that both of these guys get out

391
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 2: of the vehicle. You hear gun shots. There's only those

392
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 2: two out there, nobody else, just those two. Lemon gets

393
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 2: back in the car with you. You're just leaving that

394
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,320
Speaker 2: one part out where.

395
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 14: Yeah, I see him.

396
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 2: I think it's honestly because you don't want to snitch,

397
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,639
Speaker 2: but you're you're gonna end up walking yourself into a

398
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:45,440
Speaker 2: homicide case.

399
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 10: You see, Anthony and Lamont didn't get out together.

400
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 14: I know, I know, but Anthony's up there with a gun.

401
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,880
Speaker 6: Lamont gets out to go confront Your buddy gets out

402
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:53,680
Speaker 6: to go confront him.

403
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 14: I have a very hard time believing you go, I'm

404
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 14: not gonna watch this.

405
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,360
Speaker 9: It makes no sense to me because, like I said,

406
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 9: this is not antonio first time doing it.

407
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 14: I get that. But he has a gun and your

408
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 14: boy's getting out of the car to confront him.

409
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,640
Speaker 10: And he wasn't going to confirm him.

410
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 9: He was going to get him to basically tell him

411
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 9: like to stop. Like you know, he was trying to

412
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 9: save him from doing from doing anything crazy. It's basically

413
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 9: and you see what happened. He was trying to save him.

414
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 9: And as it is my friend, his daughter, mother, and

415
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 9: my family of first cousins like this, I would I

416
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 9: would never do nothing like that. I would turn anybody

417
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 9: in if I seen him shoot him. I don't have

418
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 9: no problem with that. I'm telling you the truth. I

419
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 9: did not see that man get shot. I would tell

420
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 9: I don't have no problem with that. I honestly thought

421
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 9: to somebody in that house that did that to him,

422
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 9: And I was just thinking if if his camera's on

423
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 9: the house, the camera's on the house, gonna show.

424
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 10: We'll be shooting him in that front yard.

425
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, we wanted your version of with the camera show,

426
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 6: you know, what I'm saying, because cameras can show a

427
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 6: lot of things, but the camera can't show would use

428
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 6: some Joe.

429
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 14: We're gonna walk out, man, room, put you back in

430
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 14: and figure out what we're gonna do. But that's it.

431
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 14: That's it. Is there anything else before we walk out?

432
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 14: This is it? I canna keep bringing you back?

433
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 2: Can man?

434
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 10: It's a little no. Listen, it happened, and I'm asking

435
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 10: is there anything else?

436
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 14: Before we walk out? Also will include the interview.

437
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 15: We'll be side of the story after the break.

438
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: Now back to the show. On April twentieth, the day

439
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: after Kila was shot, Lamont's Joiner aka Wiobe, was arrested

440
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: without incident at his sister's house. As fate would have it,

441
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 1: As police were leaving that arrest, they saw Troy Doyle

442
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: Junior's car on the road. Though he'd been released after

443
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 1: giving his last statement, police now had an arrest warrant

444
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: for him, so they pulled his car over, only to

445
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: find that he wasn't in it. The car was being

446
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: driven by a relative of Lamance's, Shattia Joyner, who said

447
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: she borrowed the car from Troy. An officer asked to

448
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: see the key ring in her hand, which had connected

449
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: to it a screw top device, inside which the officer

450
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: found three small bags containing what he believed to be fentanyl.

451
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: When police went to arrest lamonts Joiner under suspicion of

452
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: murdering Kilo, a special agent from the FBI named Owen

453
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: Cunningham came along. The report states that several of the

454
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: officers who participated in the arrest were driving unmarked task

455
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: force vehicles, but all specifics are redacted. Taken together, it

456
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: appears as though the presence of the FBI is explained

457
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: by the fact that a task force of some kind

458
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: was interested in Kilo's death. Was this a drug task

459
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: force a gang task force? In episode six, Mike Jerman,

460
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: examining the FBI documents on Darren, suggested a task force

461
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: was responsible for pulling Darren over. Is this the same

462
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: task force that is working the Kilo case? And how

463
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: does the presence of these agents connect to the stories

464
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: Kilo's grandmother told about agents searching for him when he

465
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: was still alive. In questioning, Lamont's played dumb, claiming he

466
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: didn't know why his name had even come up in

467
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 1: a homicide case. Most of his interview sounds something like

468
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: this where your name has come.

469
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: Up in our investigation about what I did, will do.

470
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 14: So, yeah as how I did it? Yeah, well, I

471
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 14: want to get into it with you. I'll you about

472
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 14: the case.

473
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 11: We asked what because I'm like, I don't know, like

474
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 11: this is my first time. I know, y'all take my

475
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 11: back my hand.

476
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 7: I don't know way, I just go like what I done,

477
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 7: like what they said I done, Like I won't see

478
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 7: what I done, like I don't know what's wrong, Like

479
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 7: I don't know what to like.

480
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 11: I ain't trying to run around.

481
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 14: I just don't know.

482
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 7: I just don't know what's going on. I'm looking at you.

483
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 7: I don't know what's going on long like that's why

484
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 7: I'm sokingn fused, like what's going on?

485
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 11: Like my name? I called her something because my name

486
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 11: is something. Don't mean you know what I'm saying. I

487
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 11: just want to know what Woos is more than you

488
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 11: guys will figure out when you to talk back before.

489
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 7: That's that's why I'm asking him, like I don't want

490
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 7: to say nothing. I don't know what's going on, Like

491
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 7: I'm wanna ask you, like what I don't know?

492
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: Detective Bray Miller gets to the point and asks Lamon's

493
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: if he knew Keilo.

494
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 14: You know the name Anthony Urban? What's the nickname?

495
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 5: Uh?

496
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 14: I guess she has a fount your little I.

497
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 11: Don't I swear so I don't know nobody. I swear

498
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 11: promise you, guys, I'm looking at you going nobody named Anthony?

499
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 7: Nothing?

500
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 11: Okay?

501
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: It's just where were you at last night? Around six pm?

502
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 11: I was my people, was my cousin.

503
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 14: Who's your cousin? Uh?

504
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 11: Troy? Who goes with you? Guys? It's just it was us,

505
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 11: just you and Troy?

506
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 14: Uh?

507
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 11: And we were dropping we drop something?

508
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 7: Uh?

509
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 11: What's the off a lord's name? Don't I don't know

510
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 11: him like that?

511
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 14: You were dropping him the crew?

512
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 11: I don't know him. What's his nickname? H? Kelo key Loo?

513
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 2: Okay?

514
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 14: You were dropping him off?

515
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 5: Word?

516
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 14: Where'd you drop him off?

517
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 17: At?

518
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 11: Uh Castle?

519
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: Already it's looking bad as Lamont starts off by claiming

520
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: not to know Kelo, at least not by the name Anthony,

521
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: and then he stumbles as he admits that Kelo was

522
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: in Troy's car with him. The detective show Lamont's a

523
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: picture of Kelo, so you you know this.

524
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 11: Is joan, Oh yeah, why why yeah?

525
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 14: Why Yeah? That's Kelo right.

526
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, but well I'll let you know I don't.

527
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 10: Deal with him.

528
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 14: I ain't never deal with him.

529
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 11: I ain't he ain't no situating me. I don't know

530
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 11: what this man got going. You know what I'm saying.

531
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 11: I don't know what this man got going. Said, I

532
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 11: don't know. I don't know what this man had going on.

533
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 14: Let me let me, let me let me back up

534
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 14: a little bit.

535
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so you guys pull up on Castle to drop

536
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: key low off.

537
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 14: Right, Okay, did you ever get out of that car? No,

538
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 14: you didn't get out of that car. No, what if

539
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 14: Troy said, you got out of that car?

540
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 11: No, I ain't got no call. And Troy said, I

541
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 11: got the call.

542
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: It is not in the day.

543
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 11: In the day, y'all gonna find um. Yeah, they said,

544
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 11: I didn't. I know in that I know, I ain't

545
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 11: got no call. Toy toy lin, I ain't get out

546
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 11: on call.

547
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: Despite his story, the detectives have already been told by

548
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: both Troy Doyle and Marcus Hines that Lamontz got out

549
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: of the car with Kilo, and after pressing him on

550
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: it several times, they also got Lamentz to finally admit

551
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: that there was a fourth person in the car with them,

552
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: but he said he didn't know the man.

553
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: How many people were in that vacshet it was it

554
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: was just it was just me.

555
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 11: It was just us, just you three.

556
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 14: There was nobody else in that vac sheet.

557
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 11: What was really good? That's it?

558
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 14: It was a good just you three as nobody else.

559
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 11: I don't know they, dude, I don't know him like this.

560
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 14: And I thought there was something else in the back set.

561
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, but we go to school.

562
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 11: I don't know them, you can see. Got excuse me,

563
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 11: that's about sir. I respect. I don't know them people, Sir,

564
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 11: I don't hang I just going to school, he said.

565
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 14: Dropping them all.

566
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: I want to make sure I get this right. You

567
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: guys pull up. There's Troy driving, you in the front

568
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: passenger seat and Keilo in the back sheet with another guy.

569
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 14: You don't know. You guys pull up, Kelo gets out

570
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 14: of the car.

571
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: You guys, hear gun shots and you guys drive off,

572
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: park the car, get out and run right.

573
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 7: There was a pending the dropped panting, I don't we

574
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 7: don't know, we don't know what shots and we don't

575
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 7: know what's her while we stayed up for while?

576
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 11: We why we take him up while we know what.

577
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 7: While we were taking it as some bullshit, Let me

578
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 7: ask you me, I'm sorry, let me ask you what

579
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 7: what was?

580
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 11: What we why we go like we don't know?

581
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 10: We don't know what what.

582
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: Over the whole interview, Lemons denied ever getting out of

583
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: the car with k and insisted that he was not

584
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: his killer. Both Troy and Lamont were booked for armed

585
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: criminal action and murder in the second degree. The next day,

586
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: police from the Mystery Task Force, along with the FBI's

587
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: Special Agent, went out to find lawnmower man, whose name

588
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: they determined to be Marx Bartley. They found him walking

589
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: down a street pushing a lawnmower. When approached, Mark started

590
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: rambling about a shooting. Marx voluntarily went to the police

591
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: station to be interviewed. He told police that on the

592
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: day of the shooting, he'd been outside when Troy's car

593
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: approached him. Kilo was in the car and he started

594
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: demanding that Marx cut his grass for him. Marx went

595
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: on to claim that Kilo was a bully and that

596
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: the word on the street was that Kilo had told

597
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: some local drug dealers that they needed to pay him

598
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: if they wanted to do their business. Marx called it,

599
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: quote some sort of an extortion thing. He said Kilo

600
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: told some older drug dealers to quote cut him in

601
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: or cut it out, and that he tried to pull

602
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: the same thing on another set of dealers and that's

603
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: what got him killed. Interestingly, Marx told police he was

604
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: not the fourth man in the car that night. He

605
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: said he was never in the car with Kilo. According

606
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: to Marx, the fourth person in the car, the one

607
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: that Lamont claimed in his interview that he didn't know,

608
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: was another member of the Joiner family, who police figured

609
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: out was Joshua Joiner, Lamont's brother. Police arranged a photo

610
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: lineup to be viewed by Marcus Hines, the man who

611
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: was found trying to help Kelo into a car. Police

612
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: wanted Marcus to identify Lamont's as the man he saw

613
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: in the yard that night, but it seems at some

614
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: point the police gave up after Marcus continuously refused to

615
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: meet to view the lineup. Now Here, something even stranger happens.

616
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: An entire year goes by. Why I can't really say,

617
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: but after a traffic stop on April eighteenth, twenty twenty one,

618
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: Lamont's brother Joshua join her is finally arrested and brought

619
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: in for questioning regarding the killing of Kilo. More after

620
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: the break. Now back to the show, yo.

621
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: That ben both by and mir him he was hot

622
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: and killed over on a castle last year. To my

623
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: understanding that you were in a vehicle when has happened

624
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: in the bank seat, you in the back seat, Okay,

625
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: just walking through what happened that day?

626
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 8: Man, Look when they picked me up and I was

627
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 8: coming over to give him marijuana.

628
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: In a sort of confusing way, Joshua basically describes that

629
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: there was an argument going on that seemingly took place

630
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: inside the house. He says that when and Lamont were

631
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: outside again in the front yard, Kilo was heated and

632
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: Joshua got out of the car to try to calm

633
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: Kilo down, but ultimately got back in the car when

634
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: he wouldn't let me ask you.

635
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 14: This what was the argument about? I can't see the

636
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 14: brin tell you what was the argument about? Because I

637
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 14: don't I heard they had been so favorite like this.

638
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 13: Did you have the same man?

639
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 10: He got?

640
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 14: He was telling him the same.

641
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 8: Thing without them to bringing their zone. That's what I'm saying.

642
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 8: You didn't see you, correct, Yeah, I ain't. I know

643
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 8: he ain't had no bone.

644
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 11: We don't.

645
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 10: When I got in.

646
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 11: They called at guns than they for. I understand that,

647
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 11: my brother and all of them, but.

648
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 14: Kevin on Bun on this ship.

649
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: Man.

650
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 14: It was just we were just in the wrong place

651
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 14: at the.

652
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 11: Wrong time, that's all it.

653
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 14: Wash. See, you think somebody in the outs out of here.

654
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 11: I think somebody in an outside.

655
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: After running through his version of events, Joshua ultimately says

656
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: he thinks someone inside the house shot Kilo, which Detective

657
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: bray Miller tells him doesn't align with the fact that

658
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Keilo was shot in the yard. In their discussion, there

659
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: is a really interesting statement that the detective makes offhand.

660
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 8: My brother told him come on, and then he did.

661
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 8: He looked at the day seam or brother told me

662
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 8: like Tillian, come on. But I can't tell no dame

663
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 8: of the.

664
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 14: Company, can't you, man? And I know this kind of lang,

665
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 14: but I know how he is. I've dealt with every years.

666
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Detective bray Miller is referring to Kilo when he says

667
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: that he's no angel and that he's dealt with him

668
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: for years. Finally, the interview ends with a detective explaining

669
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: to Joshua, what is going to happen.

670
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: Nextly said, and then I'll ready presenticates to the procyan

671
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: Urny's office sometime this week.

672
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 11: And then after this, dude, ain't you ain't gonna talk

673
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 11: to me no more or none of that.

674
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 14: Te Hey already give it to Brocky and Hurdy to

675
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 14: review the case.

676
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: And they think there's evidence against you for the murder,

677
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: then then they'll talk to you again.

678
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 11: But you knowing, I ain't doing no being honest, you

679
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 11: know I ain't doing though.

680
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 14: Yeah, but I finally I know I believe that there's you.

681
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 8: Think you think that my brother did be.

682
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 11: Wow?

683
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 14: Yeah?

684
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 11: Wow?

685
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 14: You know because your brother's saying you weren't even there.

686
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 14: You know that he didn't know who the other person

687
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 14: in the vehicle was. It plain dumb on it?

688
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 8: Well, why is he like he don't because he don't

689
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 8: like to be in the whole.

690
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah about a situation like that and look bad when

691
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: you like, especially when there's a body, you know what

692
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

693
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 8: So, yeah, I feel like I got enough evidence from my.

694
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 14: Brother to say it's leaning that way.

695
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 11: Yeah.

696
00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, it's definitely leaning that way.

697
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: And then another strange thing happened, namely nothing the cases

698
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: of Troy Doyle Junior, Lamont's Joiner, and Joshua Joiner were

699
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: all immediately moved to Saint Charles County, which is adjacent

700
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: to Saint Louis County. Why was this done because of

701
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: a conflict of interest? As it turns out, Troy Doyle

702
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: Junior is the son of Troy Doyle Senior, a longtime

703
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: lieutenant colonel serving in the Saint Louis County Police Department,

704
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: who at the time in question, was serving as the

705
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: director of the Justice Services Center. In March of twenty

706
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: twenty three, Troy Doyle Senior was sworn in as the

707
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: new chief of Police for Ferguson. What we can see

708
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: from the documents we've been able to get from Saint

709
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: Charles County is that the attorney in charge of the

710
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: case is Carrie Sullivan. We see that in October of

711
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, so about six months after police arrested Lamont's

712
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: and six months before they would arrest Joshua, Carrie reaches

713
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: out via email to Detective Bray Miller to ask him

714
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: to show the photo line up to Mark Spartley aka

715
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: lawnmower Man. Bray Miller responds, telling her that he wants

716
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: to talk with her about the case, either over the

717
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: phone or in her office. We have had many, many

718
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: issues getting local agencies in Saint Louis to comply with

719
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: Missouri's state transparency Sunshine laws, and to this point in

720
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: our document request to Saint Charles County for records in

721
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: this case, we only got two emails back, the one

722
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: we just mentioned and to second one sent by the

723
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: Saint Charles attorney a few months later, requesting an update.

724
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 15: In his response to that email, Detective bray Miller is

725
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 15: a bit coy referring to a person as quote the

726
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 15: one we talked about instead of by name. Context allows

727
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 15: us to presume he was referring to Joshuajo. After all

728
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 15: of this, the interviews with every witness, the gathering of evidence,

729
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 15: the moving of the case to a nearby county, and

730
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 15: off the book's meetings with that county's attorney, nothing ever happened.

731
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 15: Lamont's Joiner was not charged with murdering Keilo and Troy

732
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 15: Doyle Junior and Joshua Joiner were not charged with anything

733
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 15: relating to the case either. All we have to explain

734
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 15: why these three men were never subject to criminal charges

735
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 15: is a copy of a warrant application refusal sent a

736
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 15: detective Bray Miller from Saint Charles County. It states that

737
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 15: warrants to arrest Troy and La Monts are being refused

738
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 15: for the following reason quote unable to determine shooter beyond

739
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 15: a reasonable doubt witnesses, uncooperative, lack of physical evidence to

740
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 15: determined shooter without eyewitness testimony. This warrant refusal was sent

741
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 15: out on March second, twenty twenty two, nearly a year

742
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 15: after the arrest in questioning of Joshua and two years

743
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 15: after Keith those killing. The sparse return of documents to

744
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 15: our requests on this case from both Saint Charles and

745
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 15: Saint Louis County is troubling. We have the audio you

746
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 15: heard of Lamont's and Joshua Joiner because Saint Charles County provided.

747
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 14: Them to us.

748
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 15: But when we got the videos of Marx Bartley and

749
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 15: Marcus Hines, the files were non functional. There were zero

750
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 15: bytes in size and existed only as unplayable file names,

751
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 15: and there was no video given.

752
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 10: To us at all.

753
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 15: Troy Doyle Junior. Producer John Duffy got on the phone

754
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 15: with Katie Rickerson, the manager of the Saint Charles County

755
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 15: Prosecuting Attorney's Office, to ask about this.

756
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 17: You tried to get me those video files. Did they

757
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 17: work for you?

758
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 4: Uh?

759
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 12: No, they did not. If we would have needed them,

760
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 12: we would have researched how to play them and whatnot.

761
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 17: And then you said you didn't have one at all

762
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 17: for Troy Doyle Junior. Ye, did you guys get rid

763
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 17: of it or were you never given one?

764
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: Do you know?

765
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 12: I sent you everything we had, so if I didn't

766
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 12: give it to you, we never got it.

767
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 17: I guess my confusion is because you gave me a

768
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 17: letter that said that St. Charles County didn't have the

769
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 17: evidence necessary to move forward on trials with any of

770
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 17: these men.

771
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 14: But then it would be.

772
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 17: Weird that you were given either no evidence for some

773
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 17: of the men like Troy Doyle Junior, or evidence that

774
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 17: didn't work Like where the.

775
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: Word the I mean?

776
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 12: You always have a right to put in a request

777
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 12: to Saint Louis County or the Saint Louis County Police

778
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 12: Department to see what they have.

779
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 15: Okay, the Saint Charles County Prosecuting Attorney was responsible for

780
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 15: bringing Keilo's killers to justice, but seemingly they weren't provided

781
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 15: with all of the video evidence they would need to

782
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 15: go forward with a case. Was this failure to provide

783
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 15: all the video testimony to Saint Charles County an intentional

784
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 15: move made by someone in Saint Louis County who was

785
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 15: trying to protect Troy Doyle Junior on behalf of his father,

786
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 15: or was it an innocent mistake. If so, what explains

787
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 15: the total failure to prosecute at least Lamont's joiner for

788
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 15: shooting Quilo. The email that we read from Saint Charles

789
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 15: County Prosecuting Attorney's office that said they didn't have enough

790
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 15: evidence without witness testimony makes it seem like they couldn't

791
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 15: have just subpoened Marcus Hines to testify in court. At

792
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 15: the end of the day, we did this deep dive

793
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 15: into Kilo's murder to see if it looked like he

794
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 15: was killed for his possible role in Darren's death or

795
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 15: if there was possible crossover with any of the players.

796
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 15: The one link we found seems to be Troy Doyle Junior,

797
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 15: who is cousins with Bottom Boys member LP, which we

798
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 15: were able to determine by looking at Facebook. The effort

799
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 15: to collect information on Keilo's death was riddled with hurdles

800
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 15: placed before us that took months to clear, and Darren's

801
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 15: case was even trickier, with simple information such as his

802
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 15: medical examiner's report being kept behind lock and key. That's Sherry, Hey, Sherry,

803
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 15: this is Reynovishlsky. I got three Sunshine requests with you.

804
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, thanks to calling.

805
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 15: This is Sherry Luter from the Saint Louis County Prosecuting

806
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 15: Attorney's Office. You heard her at the end of episode

807
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 15: six telling us that Anthony Irvin was recommended for prosecution

808
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 15: as Darren's murderer. I'm calling her so that she might

809
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 15: talk to the Medical Examiner's office and tell them that

810
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 15: it's okay to give us their report on Darren.

811
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 16: We got a response from the Medical Examiner's office that

812
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 16: they couldn't share the autopsy because just this week they

813
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 16: said that it was an active investigation by the Prosecuting

814
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 16: Attorney's office. I'm curious if they contacted you about Darren

815
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 16: Seal's and you were like, no, no, no, we're moving ahead

816
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 16: on something with that or.

817
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 5: Oh, Darren Steel, how do you spell it?

818
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 15: It took her a minute to find Darren's case in

819
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 15: her computer system, and she actually had to find it

820
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 15: by looking up Anthony Irvin.

821
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 13: MM.

822
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so here's Darren Stields.

823
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: And the reason that.

824
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 5: I couldn't find it before is because we have His

825
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 5: name is dr.

826
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 17: E n not want Oh wow, okay, so that's and we.

827
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 5: Also don't have there's no information in our system on

828
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 5: this man except an adress. Like, we don't have a

829
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 5: social we don't have a data birth, we don't have

830
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 5: a race, a gender, a high to weight. There's nothing

831
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 5: in here about this victim except an andress.

832
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 15: After talking with Sherry, we were able to convince the

833
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 15: medical examiner to give us Darren's autopsy report. It describes

834
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 15: that his body was on the floor of the passenger

835
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 15: seat in his jeep. His lungs had no soot in them,

836
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 15: so he was dead before the fire started. And the

837
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 15: bullet that killed him it was fired into his face.

838
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 15: It entered through his teeth on the lower left side,

839
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 15: pierced his tongue, and traveled upward into his skull, where

840
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 15: it was lodged but still So many questions remained, and

841
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 15: as we scratch at them, so many new questions come

842
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 15: to the surface. This why did the prosecuting attorney have

843
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 15: no basic information about Darren in their computer system? And

844
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 15: if Kilo was Darren's killer? Why why would Kilo want

845
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 15: to kill Darren if Darren was trying to help Keilo's

846
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 15: rap career take off.

847
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 10: And why are we.

848
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 15: Seeing so much FBI involvement, not only Darren's massive FBI file,

849
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 15: but the FBI participating in arresting Kilo's alleged killer. What

850
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 15: were these guys involved in? We hoped the other members

851
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 15: of the Bottom Boys could shed some light on all this.

852
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 15: That's next time on After the Uprising. After the Uprising

853
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 15: is a production of Double Asterisk and iHeart Podcasts in

854
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 15: association with True Stories. Season two was written, reported, and

855
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 15: produced by Maria Chappelle, Nadal, John Duffy, Mallory Kenoy, and

856
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 15: Reinno Vashlski. Executive producers are Nikki Atour and Lindsay Hoffman

857
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 15: for iHeart Podcasts, John Duffy and Reinnovishewski for Double Asterisk,

858
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 15: David Cassidy and Ruth Baka for True Stories. Directed by

859
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 15: John Duffy and Renoviashlsky theme song and score by Zachary Walter.

860
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 15: Sound engineering and mixed by John Autry. Fact checking by

861
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 15: Muffin Humes, Marketing by Alison Canter, Fair Use Legal by

862
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 15: Peter Yazy and Brandon Butler. Legal by Holly Decan for

863
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 15: iHeart Podcasts and Keith Sklarr for Double Asterisk Missouri. Sunshine

864
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 15: Legal by David Rowland. Show logo by iHeart Podcasts using

865
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 15: a photo by Attilo da Gastino. Our interns were Hannah

866
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 15: Madura and Rosemary Fiery. Website by Stephanie Clark. Recorded at

867
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 15: David Weber's Airtime Studios in Bloomington, Indiana. We want to

868
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 15: acknowledge additional investigation that became part of this podcast was

869
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 15: conducted by Detective Adams in the Saint Louis County Police

870
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 15: and the FBI, who did not participate in this podcast,

871
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 15: and by a Mere Brandy Mosey Secret and Darnell Singleton.

872
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 15: If you like our work, check out our other podcasts.

873
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 15: You can find us at Double Asteriskmedia dot com and

874
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 15: on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Support us on Patreon. If

875
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 15: you're enjoying the show, leave us a rating and review,

876
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 15: on your favorite podcast app. Thank you to Jamie Dennis,

877
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 15: Danny Gonzalez, Jonathan Hartwig, Bethan Macaluso, Matt McDonough, Melissa McKinnes,

878
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 15: Ryan Mears, Tony and Valenovayssewski and the family and loved

879
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 15: ones of Darren Seals, Bottom Boys and Doa. Tracks used

880
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 15: via fair use, So was the news reporting. Archival copyright

881
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 15: twenty twenty four double asteriskkink