1 00:00:00,650 --> 00:00:04,590 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly Jongfast, and this is Fast Politics, where 2 00:00:04,610 --> 00:00:07,490 Speaker 1: we discuss the top political headlines with some of today's 3 00:00:07,690 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: best minds. And it's the six-month anniversary of Donald Trump's 4 00:00:12,380 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: war of choice in Iran. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today. 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: MS has Andrew Weissman stops by to talk about Supreme 7 00:00:20,820 --> 00:00:26,340 Speaker 1: Court fuckery and mail-in voting. Then we'll talk to UnitedHealthcareWorkers 8 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:32,550 Speaker 1: West's President Dave Reagan about their California billionaire's tax. 9 00:00:32,690 --> 00:00:33,690 Speaker 2: But first, the news. 10 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:37,770 Speaker 3: Molly, there's some interesting reporting on how Natalie Harp is 11 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:40,779 Speaker 3: used as a pawn by Stephen Miller to get his 12 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:42,860 Speaker 3: little immigrant-hating ways. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,740 Speaker 2: You know what I've been reading, Jesse Cannon? 14 00:00:46,229 --> 00:00:49,150 Speaker 3: Stephen Miller's diary and it just says I hate brown people? 15 00:00:49,490 --> 00:00:54,190 Speaker 1: No, I have been reading Regime Change by Maggie and Jonathan. 16 00:00:54,250 --> 00:00:55,710 Speaker 2: Have you been reading Regime Change? 17 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: No, I've been reading Kurt Anderson's The Breakup because I 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,980 Speaker 3: need a much more peaceful dystopian future. 19 00:01:01,260 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: You should read it because it's a horror nonfiction. And 20 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: in it, it talks about how Stephen Miller genuinely believes 21 00:01:08,940 --> 00:01:11,429 Speaker 1: all of the stuff that many of these Republicans are 22 00:01:11,470 --> 00:01:12,429 Speaker 1: pretending to believe. 23 00:01:12,850 --> 00:01:14,050 Speaker 2: And he's also really smart. 24 00:01:14,410 --> 00:01:18,170 Speaker 1: And so Stephen Miller has figured out that Natalie Harp 25 00:01:18,290 --> 00:01:20,530 Speaker 1: is the filter bubble for Donald Trump and that you 26 00:01:20,569 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: have to go to Natalie Harp in order to get 27 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:27,300 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump. So two sources told Zateo that on 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: multiple occasions, Miller showed HAARP anti-immigration content with directions to 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: get it posted quickly. Miller is doing two things here, right? 30 00:01:37,020 --> 00:01:39,580 Speaker 1: He's getting the information to Trump and he's getting the 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: information out of Trump's microphone. And Stephen Miller, the reason 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: why we have ICE raids in the way that we 33 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,830 Speaker 1: do is. 34 00:01:49,750 --> 00:01:50,910 Speaker 2: Because of Stephen Miller, right? 35 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:53,490 Speaker 1: Because Donald Trump, you know, he's a racist, don't get 36 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:56,550 Speaker 1: me wrong, but he doesn't really care. And this The 37 00:01:56,650 --> 00:02:00,150 Speaker 1: real cruelty, the kind of stuff that we saw, the 38 00:02:00,210 --> 00:02:04,030 Speaker 1: really terrifying, horrific stuff is coming right from Stephen Miller. 39 00:02:04,170 --> 00:02:07,300 Speaker 3: So another way it's run is that Trump's family is 40 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: constantly getting rich on crypto schemes. We see these graphs 41 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:13,180 Speaker 3: of where their money is coming from. Crypto is always 42 00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:16,100 Speaker 3: nice and tall, like a Dubai tower in the sky. 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,030 Speaker 3: And there's a new crypto bank that's backed by an 44 00:02:20,250 --> 00:02:21,090 Speaker 3: Abu Dhabi sheikh. 45 00:02:21,490 --> 00:02:25,550 Speaker 1: And World Liberty Financial, there is no way that if 46 00:02:25,630 --> 00:02:28,410 Speaker 1: America gets back to normal, which hopefully it will, that 47 00:02:28,510 --> 00:02:32,630 Speaker 1: we don't see endless scary stuff. And remember, World Liberty 48 00:02:32,669 --> 00:02:37,070 Speaker 1: Financial was originally this vehicle that just did weird stuff 49 00:02:37,090 --> 00:02:41,010 Speaker 1: for the Trump administration. It's run by Steve Wyckoff's son. 50 00:02:41,310 --> 00:02:42,470 Speaker 1: Of course it is. 51 00:02:43,190 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: And now it's doing a deal. 52 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Chief Executive Zach Witkoff, son of Middle East envoy Steve Wood, 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,579 Speaker 1: says World Liberty's ambition is to build the most trusted 54 00:02:54,820 --> 00:02:57,100 Speaker 1: and widely used digital dollar. 55 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: In the world. 56 00:02:57,490 --> 00:03:01,550 Speaker 1: I don't think that's really what World Liberty Financial's ambition is. 57 00:03:02,090 --> 00:03:05,390 Speaker 1: It's working on a partnership with its shareholders after the 58 00:03:05,450 --> 00:03:08,750 Speaker 1: president in July 2025 signed. 59 00:03:08,430 --> 00:03:09,110 Speaker 2: The Genius Act. 60 00:03:09,169 --> 00:03:12,450 Speaker 1: By the way, if you're a Democrat supporting the Genius Act, 61 00:03:12,990 --> 00:03:17,950 Speaker 1: what the actual fuck? Our government has so not regulated anything. 62 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:21,010 Speaker 1: And the Genius Act is basically just a way to 63 00:03:21,090 --> 00:03:25,330 Speaker 1: not regulate more stuff. So no, thank you. 64 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:30,230 Speaker 3: Many people think little Marco could be president. And, Malia, 65 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:31,730 Speaker 3: I have to say, I know you're a big fan 66 00:03:31,770 --> 00:03:34,310 Speaker 3: of Veep. So the one thing his campaign will bring 67 00:03:34,350 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: us is many Veep-like moments like this. 68 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:37,740 Speaker 2: Yesterday, you told. 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Us that Israel was going to strike Iran and that 70 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:42,580 Speaker 1: that's why we needed to get involved. 71 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,420 Speaker 3: Today, the president said that Iran was going to get it. 72 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,420 Speaker 4: Yeah, your statement is false. 73 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:48,350 Speaker 2: So that's not what he— I was asked very specifically. 74 00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:49,050 Speaker 3: Were you there yesterday? 75 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:49,930 Speaker 2: Yes, I asked the question. 76 00:03:49,950 --> 00:03:52,610 Speaker 1: Okay. I want to pull back and just say this. 77 00:03:52,830 --> 00:03:56,690 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance don't believe anything. They believe 78 00:03:56,730 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: they want to be president next. Marco will say anything 79 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,420 Speaker 1: to be president and J.D. Vance will too. 80 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,500 Speaker 2: The only difference is that J.D. Vance seems a little 81 00:04:05,540 --> 00:04:06,740 Speaker 2: sketchier than Marco. 82 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: I think Marco does have the posture of somebody who's 83 00:04:10,540 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: just embarrassed by what Trump walks him into every day. 84 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:16,870 Speaker 2: I think that's doing a lot of service for Marco. 85 00:04:17,170 --> 00:04:20,310 Speaker 3: I think he feels uncomfortable. more of the time in 86 00:04:20,670 --> 00:04:22,049 Speaker 3: my reading of his body language. 87 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:25,010 Speaker 1: I think we want him to seem like he gives 88 00:04:25,089 --> 00:04:29,350 Speaker 1: a shit, but ultimately, who even knows? Anyway, the point is, 89 00:04:29,550 --> 00:04:32,650 Speaker 1: everybody is just ruining themselves for Trump is the end 90 00:04:32,690 --> 00:04:33,570 Speaker 1: of the story here. 91 00:04:33,970 --> 00:04:37,029 Speaker 3: One of the things of Trumpism is that it leads 92 00:04:37,089 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: by example of how to misappropriate things and do cruelty 93 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: in the stupidest ways. And we now have a report 94 00:04:43,460 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 3: that he misused $ 10 million in Medicaid funds. 95 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:49,779 Speaker 1: Nobody will take responsibility for deciding the $ 10 million of 96 00:04:49,820 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: taxpayer money that would go to Hope, Florida. So basically, Hope, 97 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: Florida was started by Casey DeSantis. The organization intended to 98 00:04:58,060 --> 00:05:01,669 Speaker 1: connect low-income families with churches and local groups to keep 99 00:05:01,710 --> 00:05:02,969 Speaker 1: them off public assistance. 100 00:05:03,070 --> 00:05:03,890 Speaker 2: You know what it did? 101 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:05,710 Speaker 5: Nobody knows. 102 00:05:05,970 --> 00:05:08,770 Speaker 2: The transfer to the charity was initially part of a 103 00:05:08,950 --> 00:05:12,590 Speaker 2: Medicaid settlement. There's $ 10 million. No one can find it. 104 00:05:12,690 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: There's a lot of feeling that perhaps it may have 105 00:05:17,339 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: gone to Casey DeSantis' gloves. 106 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: I could see it. 107 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: I want to point out, the report goes on to 108 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: implicate a series of officials in the Florida state government 109 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:30,660 Speaker 1: who may have had knowledge of the transaction, including, can 110 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: you guess who? 111 00:05:31,730 --> 00:05:33,350 Speaker 3: This part I forgot. You got to tell me. 112 00:05:33,610 --> 00:05:35,630 Speaker 2: Republican Senate candidate. 113 00:05:36,070 --> 00:05:37,630 Speaker 3: Oh, Ashley Moody. You're right. Yeah. 114 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:37,930 Speaker 1: Right. 115 00:05:37,970 --> 00:05:40,850 Speaker 2: Who was the state attorney general at the time. 116 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:47,410 Speaker 1: Moody allegedly authorized her chief deputy, John Gard, to sign 117 00:05:47,710 --> 00:05:51,610 Speaker 1: the settlement diverting $ 10 million to Hope, Florida. 118 00:05:51,890 --> 00:05:54,330 Speaker 3: And so for those not following, Ashley Moody is the 119 00:05:54,470 --> 00:05:58,169 Speaker 3: Senate candidate that is going up against Angie Nixon right 120 00:05:58,210 --> 00:05:59,410 Speaker 3: now in the state of Florida. 121 00:05:59,430 --> 00:06:00,390 Speaker 2: So there we go. 122 00:06:05,910 --> 00:06:09,589 Speaker 1: Andrew Weissman is a former federal prosecutor. 123 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:12,590 Speaker 2: And a legal analyst for MSNOW and the author of 124 00:06:12,670 --> 00:06:16,290 Speaker 2: the Trump indictments. Andrew Weissman, welcome. 125 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:18,659 Speaker 5: Molly, so nice to see you. 126 00:06:18,930 --> 00:06:22,230 Speaker 2: So nice to have you. OK, so mail-in ballots. 127 00:06:22,570 --> 00:06:26,490 Speaker 1: You and I actually talked about this offline because what 128 00:06:26,570 --> 00:06:30,300 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court just Well, I thought it was interesting 129 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:37,060 Speaker 1: that Justice Jackson, Justice Brown Jackson wrote a separate, a separated, 130 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,500 Speaker 1: a different. 131 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,750 Speaker 2: Yeah, we should talk about that. 132 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,170 Speaker 1: But just talk first about what the Supreme Court did 133 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:44,730 Speaker 1: and now what a lower. 134 00:06:44,550 --> 00:06:45,150 Speaker 2: Court has done. 135 00:06:45,550 --> 00:06:48,610 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you that this sort of. there's 136 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:52,750 Speaker 5: an interesting thing going on with the three liberal justices. 137 00:06:53,150 --> 00:06:56,030 Speaker 5: So last week, and as you know, I was on 138 00:06:56,130 --> 00:06:59,730 Speaker 5: air when it broke with Alicia Menendez, what the Supreme 139 00:06:59,790 --> 00:07:03,430 Speaker 5: Court did was they basically just said, you brought this 140 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:07,910 Speaker 5: too early, that it's not ripe. Now they have some 141 00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:12,610 Speaker 5: language that's particularly troublesome, but they basically just said, look, 142 00:07:13,110 --> 00:07:19,070 Speaker 5: the president issued this executive order directing the Postal Service 143 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:25,690 Speaker 5: to promulgate a rule. And that rule for that litigation 144 00:07:25,770 --> 00:07:28,870 Speaker 5: hadn't yet been promulgated. So they said, let's wait and 145 00:07:29,050 --> 00:07:32,670 Speaker 5: see what it says. And then you can amend your 146 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:35,730 Speaker 5: complaint and challenge it, etc. But essentially, you brought it 147 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:36,390 Speaker 5: too early. 148 00:07:36,730 --> 00:07:40,230 Speaker 1: Because it came from the Second Circuit, right? It came very, 149 00:07:40,370 --> 00:07:42,210 Speaker 1: it hadn't run up the courts, right? 150 00:07:42,690 --> 00:07:46,350 Speaker 5: No, it did run up. It did start at the 151 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:49,140 Speaker 5: district court and it ran up and there were two 152 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:52,990 Speaker 5: separate cases, et cetera. But they basically said too early. Now, 153 00:07:53,020 --> 00:07:56,300 Speaker 5: there are lots of criticisms you could make of it. One, 154 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,660 Speaker 5: this idea that it's too early. And then guess what? 155 00:08:01,460 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 5: Now there is a final rule from the Postal Service. 156 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,590 Speaker 5: There is a challenge to that. The district court has ruled. 157 00:08:07,890 --> 00:08:10,690 Speaker 5: But what did the government argue there? You're too late. 158 00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:10,890 Speaker 3: Right. 159 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,100 Speaker 5: I kid you not. 160 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,260 Speaker 6: You knew they were going to do that. I just 161 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,900 Speaker 6: want to ask one fundamental question from someone who's not 162 00:08:20,940 --> 00:08:26,540 Speaker 6: a law professor or even went to college. From what 163 00:08:26,580 --> 00:08:30,580 Speaker 6: I understand, the president federal does not have our elections are. 164 00:08:30,540 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: Run by the state. So isn't this undermining that central premise? 165 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,110 Speaker 5: Yeah. So that is the main issue here is that 166 00:08:40,179 --> 00:08:45,530 Speaker 5: the state's run presidential elections. And you can imagine why 167 00:08:45,610 --> 00:08:48,010 Speaker 5: the framers of the Constitution set it up that way, 168 00:08:48,090 --> 00:08:51,050 Speaker 5: because you don't want the president of the United States 169 00:08:51,070 --> 00:08:54,390 Speaker 5: to be going, oh, let's see who won. Oh, you 170 00:08:54,410 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 5: know what? I did. 171 00:08:55,340 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: I won. 172 00:08:56,260 --> 00:08:59,500 Speaker 5: And you know what? You know what votes? This is 173 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,979 Speaker 5: this is particularly relevant to the insurrection, which was, you 174 00:09:05,020 --> 00:09:07,420 Speaker 5: know what votes were going to count? The votes for me. 175 00:09:07,870 --> 00:09:08,110 Speaker 4: Yeah. 176 00:09:08,610 --> 00:09:08,710 Speaker 6: Yeah. 177 00:09:09,130 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 5: And so that is that is, though, where we are. 178 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:15,580 Speaker 5: So this the Postal Service came up with a new 179 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 5: rule and there's sort of two components to it. And 180 00:09:19,830 --> 00:09:24,180 Speaker 5: but it basically is dictating to the state saying you are. 181 00:09:24,580 --> 00:09:27,420 Speaker 5: essentially can only allow people to vote who are on 182 00:09:27,540 --> 00:09:30,780 Speaker 5: lists that we, the federal government, give you. Right, which 183 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:34,050 Speaker 5: is insane. Gee, how do you think that's going to work? 184 00:09:34,090 --> 00:09:39,490 Speaker 5: You know what? My analogy, Molly, is the following. Imagine 185 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:46,740 Speaker 5: that a president says only Republicans vote. can vote by mail. 186 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: Right. Which he might. 187 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:54,069 Speaker 5: And no ballots can go out to Democrats, nor, by 188 00:09:54,090 --> 00:09:56,570 Speaker 5: the way, when they send them in, can the Postal 189 00:09:56,630 --> 00:10:00,380 Speaker 5: Service collect them. Because I'm in charge of the executive process. branch. 190 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with the states. I'm just 191 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,900 Speaker 5: saying what the Postal Service can do. And so we're 192 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,610 Speaker 5: just going to be hyper-partisan. And you could imagine, frankly, 193 00:10:12,809 --> 00:10:16,540 Speaker 5: that some people in this Supreme Court are going to go, Yeah, 194 00:10:16,590 --> 00:10:20,970 Speaker 5: what's the problem? Remember, their solution to gerrymandering was it's 195 00:10:21,070 --> 00:10:25,610 Speaker 5: fine to have political gerrymandering, and the solution to political 196 00:10:25,650 --> 00:10:31,350 Speaker 5: gerrymandering is voting those people out, which presupposes that they're 197 00:10:31,370 --> 00:10:34,350 Speaker 5: free and fair elections. Right. 198 00:10:34,450 --> 00:10:36,910 Speaker 1: This is a Thomas and Alito special. 199 00:10:37,410 --> 00:10:41,770 Speaker 5: Yes, and it is where a lot of people who 200 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:46,189 Speaker 5: are watching this will say, What is wrong with you lawyers? 201 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:52,750 Speaker 5: I mean, it's there. Because it's like, it is unbelievable 202 00:10:52,950 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 5: that you could have a view which is, oh, we're 203 00:10:55,820 --> 00:11:00,650 Speaker 5: going to allow partisan gerrymandering. And don't worry. if you're 204 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:03,540 Speaker 5: concerned about that and you think it's a bad idea, well, 205 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,459 Speaker 5: then you can just vote him out. 206 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:06,100 Speaker 2: Right. 207 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 5: That's like, so let's say you can vote in the 208 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 5: tampered system. 209 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: Right. 210 00:11:10,220 --> 00:11:11,900 Speaker 5: That doesn't allow you to vote. 211 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:12,660 Speaker 1: Right. 212 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:15,420 Speaker 2: I mean, to me, it's post reconstruction. I mean, it's 213 00:11:15,460 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: that it's Jim Crow, right? If you, why aren't your 214 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: votes working? 215 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,380 Speaker 5: Exactly. Or what I like to think about in terms 216 00:11:22,420 --> 00:11:25,740 Speaker 5: of campaign finance is it's not one person, one vote, 217 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:31,770 Speaker 5: it's $ 1, one vote. And it's, So there's so much 218 00:11:31,830 --> 00:11:34,990 Speaker 5: that is screwed up in our law. So anyway, a 219 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:40,700 Speaker 5: district judge has now enjoined, that stopped, said you cannot 220 00:11:40,910 --> 00:11:46,100 Speaker 5: implement for the midterms the new final rule from the 221 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 5: Postal Service. And here's one of the best arguments for 222 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,069 Speaker 5: why it cannot go forward as to the midterms. The 223 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,690 Speaker 5: states cannot, even if you thought that what the president 224 00:11:55,730 --> 00:12:00,449 Speaker 5: was saying was legal. In other words, skip all of it. 225 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:04,270 Speaker 5: But let's assume it is. The states cannot comply with it, 226 00:12:04,850 --> 00:12:08,430 Speaker 5: in fact, by the time of the midterms because the 227 00:12:08,510 --> 00:12:13,300 Speaker 5: ballots have to go out within about a minute. So 228 00:12:13,460 --> 00:12:15,100 Speaker 5: there's just no time. 229 00:12:15,380 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: We're like 80 days from the midterms. 230 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,020 Speaker 5: Yes, but for mail-in ballots, people have to ask for them. 231 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 5: The state has already printed them I mean, all of 232 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: the things that would be required by the new Postal 233 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 5: Service final rule couldn't, cannot be done. And that was 234 00:12:33,380 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 5: the record before the district court was the states who 235 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,939 Speaker 5: were challenging this saying, we cannot comply with this. Putting 236 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,850 Speaker 5: aside the legality issues, there's no way to actually do this. 237 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:49,209 Speaker 5: So that is a pretty darn good argument. And I 238 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:52,870 Speaker 5: think that's one, I mean, if I had to predict this, 239 00:12:53,370 --> 00:12:57,650 Speaker 5: I would say that there will not be five votes 240 00:12:58,270 --> 00:13:00,910 Speaker 5: in the Supreme Court to say that this has to 241 00:13:00,950 --> 00:13:04,870 Speaker 5: be implemented for November. In other words, I can see 242 00:13:05,090 --> 00:13:09,790 Speaker 5: Chief Justice and Amy Coney Barrett saying no. And you 243 00:13:09,809 --> 00:13:14,530 Speaker 5: could imagine... And maybe even you could see, I think, Gorsuch. 244 00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:18,069 Speaker 5: Gorsuch could say, you know what? I think it may 245 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 5: be legal, but it's not legal for now. And even... Well, 246 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 5: I'm not going to say with Kavanaugh because Kavanaugh, like 247 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,290 Speaker 5: I have a lot of choice things to say that 248 00:13:27,309 --> 00:13:28,910 Speaker 5: I will tell you offline. 249 00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:31,250 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I think that's a really good point. 250 00:13:31,390 --> 00:13:34,370 Speaker 1: And and I do think clearly, I mean, by the way, 251 00:13:34,390 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: the fact that we're even this far along with something 252 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,220 Speaker 1: where it's clearly not the jurisdiction of the federal government 253 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 1: to decide who gets to mail in a ballot. 254 00:13:43,660 --> 00:13:46,770 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's it's yeah, it is Kafka. 255 00:13:47,330 --> 00:13:49,329 Speaker 5: Yeah. So I have a question for you. 256 00:13:49,610 --> 00:13:49,890 Speaker 2: Yeah. 257 00:13:49,990 --> 00:13:52,709 Speaker 5: So I have a question because like these are like 258 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:56,170 Speaker 5: I'm here, you know, giving you like my instance legal. 259 00:13:56,330 --> 00:13:59,209 Speaker 1: But you also worked at the FBI. So you do 260 00:13:59,290 --> 00:14:01,580 Speaker 1: have a sense of national security, too. 261 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,420 Speaker 5: But yes, totally. 262 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:04,660 Speaker 1: Yeah. 263 00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 4: Law. 264 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,059 Speaker 5: That is true. I have a political question for you, 265 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:11,450 Speaker 5: which is. So obviously, for somebody who's who's a lawyer 266 00:14:11,570 --> 00:14:13,809 Speaker 5: and was at the Department of Justice for a million years, 267 00:14:14,290 --> 00:14:16,810 Speaker 5: I'm like when I see stuff which goes to the 268 00:14:16,830 --> 00:14:18,990 Speaker 5: rule of law, it's like, you know, I'm just like 269 00:14:19,190 --> 00:14:20,740 Speaker 5: house on fire. It's outrageous. 270 00:14:20,770 --> 00:14:21,100 Speaker 1: Yeah. 271 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 5: It hurts me to my core. 272 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:24,020 Speaker 2: Right. 273 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:27,180 Speaker 5: When I talk to people who are in the comms 274 00:14:27,220 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 5: business and, you know, who are in the business of politics. 275 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:38,690 Speaker 5: they're like, hmm, hmm, that's not the issue. Right, right. 276 00:14:38,910 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 5: So how is political gerrymandering, how is trying to disenfranchise people, 277 00:14:45,260 --> 00:14:48,230 Speaker 5: how is that not something Are people. 278 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:49,170 Speaker 2: That voters vote on? 279 00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:51,979 Speaker 1: So, you know, that's a really good question. And I 280 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: would say that it's an oversimplification to say it doesn't 281 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: move votes. And here's my case. 282 00:14:58,380 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: OK, not. 283 00:14:59,420 --> 00:15:01,730 Speaker 1: Yeah. First of all, partially part of the problem is 284 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,110 Speaker 1: that people don't necessarily have the same like. 285 00:15:05,610 --> 00:15:06,770 Speaker 2: You know, lawyers have. 286 00:15:06,630 --> 00:15:09,170 Speaker 1: This thing, which normal people don't have, that I'm going 287 00:15:09,190 --> 00:15:10,670 Speaker 1: to tell you about, which. 288 00:15:10,590 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 5: Is you guys. Humans, humans. 289 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:18,340 Speaker 1: You guys have this feeling, you're worried about justice. You're 290 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,330 Speaker 1: connected to justice, right? You do the job because you 291 00:15:21,370 --> 00:15:24,270 Speaker 1: believe in justice and you believe there's a chance for justice. 292 00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:29,150 Speaker 1: And I would say normal voters don't necessarily have that 293 00:15:29,310 --> 00:15:32,670 Speaker 1: same kind of moral core. Because remember, your whole business 294 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:36,810 Speaker 1: is even the worst lawyer still has to have, you know, 295 00:15:36,830 --> 00:15:40,820 Speaker 1: even the worst, even the least moral lawyer is still 296 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,100 Speaker 1: works under the bar, right? You have to, otherwise you're out. So, 297 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, so you have a sense of what is 298 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: right and wrong. Here's what I would say about the 299 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:54,270 Speaker 1: gerrymandering question. So for a long time after the 24 election, 300 00:15:54,650 --> 00:15:57,350 Speaker 1: people said because of the way it went, people said 301 00:15:57,570 --> 00:16:00,860 Speaker 1: voters don't vote on right and wrong because they voted. 302 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:01,340 Speaker 5: For Trump again. 303 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Right. 304 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,060 Speaker 2: So they like corruption. I wouldn't say that it's that. 305 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,620 Speaker 1: I think a lot of voters voted because they couldn't. 306 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:13,250 Speaker 1: They had a lot of other issues that weren't necessarily 307 00:16:13,770 --> 00:16:17,050 Speaker 1: as high level as justice, that were just like, you know, 308 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: lower information voters voted on vibes. But I would say 309 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:27,220 Speaker 1: that there are cases like Nebraska's first district where you 310 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,990 Speaker 1: saw voters be like, no, no, no, no, no. You 311 00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:32,030 Speaker 1: don't get to take away my vote. Right. 312 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:34,350 Speaker 2: Because he tried to take it away from the presidential. 313 00:16:34,390 --> 00:16:34,670 Speaker 4: Yeah. 314 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:35,730 Speaker 2: And and like. 315 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:39,100 Speaker 1: I think it's more of a I think it actually 316 00:16:39,260 --> 00:16:43,710 Speaker 1: is more meaningful than people in politics say. It's just 317 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:45,710 Speaker 1: that it's very easy to cast. 318 00:16:45,470 --> 00:16:47,390 Speaker 2: Broad strokes when you look at elections. 319 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:51,170 Speaker 1: And 24 was a hard election because the thing we 320 00:16:51,250 --> 00:16:54,220 Speaker 1: all had to say, which nobody wanted to say, was 321 00:16:54,260 --> 00:16:56,620 Speaker 1: that there were a lot of voters voting. who could 322 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:59,780 Speaker 1: not get behind voting for a woman of color, whether 323 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: or not they were honest about it, you know, but 324 00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:06,869 Speaker 1: like clearly it was affecting their judgment because she was 325 00:17:07,410 --> 00:17:11,410 Speaker 1: sane and normal and had run up the channels of power. 326 00:17:11,550 --> 00:17:13,570 Speaker 2: And he was obviously. 327 00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:16,970 Speaker 1: So I do think that was a written tension of 328 00:17:17,050 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: the of the election. 329 00:17:19,340 --> 00:17:23,260 Speaker 5: And totally. And it's it's hard to pull apart legitimate 330 00:17:23,940 --> 00:17:30,220 Speaker 5: critiques of Kamala from ones that are fig leaves that 331 00:17:30,260 --> 00:17:33,620 Speaker 5: are masking others. So let's go back to something which 332 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:36,500 Speaker 5: I thought was fascinating. Is this fact that we have these, 333 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:41,550 Speaker 5: the three liberal justices are taking different tacks. And just 334 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:42,970 Speaker 5: so people are following along. 335 00:17:43,109 --> 00:17:44,869 Speaker 2: Will you explain why too? 336 00:17:45,070 --> 00:17:50,570 Speaker 5: Yeah. So the three liberal justices dissented in the mail-in 337 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:52,949 Speaker 5: voting case. The one that said, you know, it was 338 00:17:52,990 --> 00:17:56,030 Speaker 5: brought to too soon, you have to wait for the 339 00:17:56,090 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 5: final rule and then challenge it. And they all agreed 340 00:17:59,430 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 5: that that's, they disagreed with that analysis. They said, you know, 341 00:18:04,220 --> 00:18:08,500 Speaker 5: there's enough there that's real to go forward. But they 342 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 5: wrote one opinion, which was only Justice Kagan and Sotomayor. 343 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: Right. 344 00:18:14,980 --> 00:18:18,330 Speaker 5: And another, which was only Justice Jackson. 345 00:18:18,690 --> 00:18:21,250 Speaker 1: And I want to point out here that Kagan and 346 00:18:21,290 --> 00:18:25,449 Speaker 1: Sotomayor have been on the court for more than 10 years. Right. 347 00:18:25,869 --> 00:18:26,070 Speaker 5: Yeah. 348 00:18:26,410 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: So they know how business is run. 349 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:30,390 Speaker 5: It's over there. 350 00:18:30,430 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 351 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 5: They have been on much, much longer. Ketanji Brown Jackson is. 352 00:18:34,820 --> 00:18:36,540 Speaker 2: Year two. Yeah. 353 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:37,060 Speaker 5: Yeah. 354 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 4: Maybe. Yeah. 355 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,730 Speaker 5: Maybe you're three now, but it's like. But very new, 356 00:18:40,790 --> 00:18:44,010 Speaker 5: although she has been a judge for a while, but 357 00:18:44,030 --> 00:18:47,070 Speaker 5: she has not been on the Supreme Court. Extremely smart. 358 00:18:47,150 --> 00:18:50,109 Speaker 1: But they know how the court works together in a 359 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: way that she might not, which is the reason why 360 00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:53,260 Speaker 1: I mentioned that. 361 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,699 Speaker 5: Yeah. And also, you know, when you come from the 362 00:18:55,740 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 5: district court, there's lots of advantages, but there's a potential disadvantage. 363 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:06,260 Speaker 5: The advantage is you're really aware of of evidence and 364 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,460 Speaker 5: how cases are put together and arguments that are made 365 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 5: at the trial level, because that's what you're dealing with. 366 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 5: That's the lowest level. What you don't have is this 367 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:20,370 Speaker 5: idea of having to reach a consensus. So if you're 368 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:24,990 Speaker 5: on the Court of Appeals, typically you're with two other judges. 369 00:19:25,090 --> 00:19:31,950 Speaker 5: The panels are three. And so very famously, Sandra Day O'Connor, 370 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:34,750 Speaker 5: the first justice in the Supreme Court, who was a woman, 371 00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:38,609 Speaker 5: but came from the state legislature as a background. And 372 00:19:38,670 --> 00:19:41,290 Speaker 5: she was asked, what's it like being on the Supreme Court? 373 00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:45,409 Speaker 5: And she said, what's it like? Five. You have to 374 00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:49,290 Speaker 5: get to five. And it's really important to remember that because, 375 00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: you know, I... teach law and a lot of times 376 00:19:53,540 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 5: it's very easy to criticize the court because it isn't 377 00:19:57,140 --> 00:20:01,060 Speaker 5: entirely linear. There are cases where you're like, well, how 378 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:03,699 Speaker 5: could they have done that when they did this? And 379 00:20:03,740 --> 00:20:08,740 Speaker 5: it's because it's not one judge, it's nine. And so 380 00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 5: very often there are compromises that are going on. I, 381 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,490 Speaker 5: my take on sort of, I was curious about why 382 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:21,550 Speaker 5: nobody joined Justice Jackson or why Justice Jackson, in other words, 383 00:20:21,810 --> 00:20:25,340 Speaker 5: why is it sort of two and one? And my 384 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:31,980 Speaker 5: take on that is that Justice Jackson is writing to 385 00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:39,650 Speaker 5: a different audience. And that her audience is the nation 386 00:20:39,730 --> 00:20:45,370 Speaker 5: writ large. Oh, interesting. To say, do not think that 387 00:20:45,490 --> 00:20:49,910 Speaker 5: there's nobody here who doesn't understand what's going on. Oh, interesting. 388 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 5: I'm calling it out and I'm not, and, and I 389 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 5: am not going to be afraid to call it out. 390 00:20:55,940 --> 00:20:59,980 Speaker 5: And so, and, and, and she's brilliant and she's fantastic 391 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,659 Speaker 5: in her writing and she's been fantastic at oral argument. Um, 392 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 5: And I think she's writing for a group to say, 393 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 5: everyone is basing this, it appears to me, on their 394 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 5: core beliefs and is basing it on their view of 395 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,310 Speaker 5: the law. I mean, you can disagree with their view 396 00:21:18,330 --> 00:21:21,710 Speaker 5: of the law. But I think she's really not writing 397 00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:28,169 Speaker 5: to be persuasive to the other eight. I think she 398 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:32,330 Speaker 5: has a very different goal. I feel like With Kagan 399 00:21:32,369 --> 00:21:37,030 Speaker 5: and Sotomayor, it's more of a blend where there is 400 00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:39,590 Speaker 5: a part, and at times when they are writing to 401 00:21:39,609 --> 00:21:42,389 Speaker 5: the larger audience, and certainly I could give you examples 402 00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:46,369 Speaker 5: of that where they are very much calling it out, 403 00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:51,070 Speaker 5: but I think they're also really thinking about arguments and 404 00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:59,699 Speaker 5: positions and how to move the persuadables and also picking 405 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,350 Speaker 5: their battles. And so for this case, because it was 406 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:08,690 Speaker 5: a procedural move, the idea is that it was brought 407 00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:14,110 Speaker 5: too soon, you have the Sotomayor-Kagan opinion being very much 408 00:22:14,170 --> 00:22:19,980 Speaker 5: about just staying within that construct and not sort of 409 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 5: going beyond that. And I'm not here to say which 410 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,620 Speaker 5: one's right or wrong, and I think it also could 411 00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:30,229 Speaker 5: be useful to have two different strategies. In other words, 412 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,260 Speaker 5: It's not that bad to have two differences. 413 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,409 Speaker 2: And they may be doing it. 414 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:40,540 Speaker 1: I just am curious, though. So we think the mail-in ballots, 415 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: this is not going to be. I mean, Trump will 416 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: make a lot of noise and maybe there'll be some 417 00:22:45,380 --> 00:22:48,330 Speaker 1: people who think they can't vote by mail who could. 418 00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:51,609 Speaker 2: Right. I mean, I think that's the scarier part of this. Right. 419 00:22:51,630 --> 00:22:53,929 Speaker 5: Oh, well, absolutely. So let me just tell you the 420 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:57,070 Speaker 5: worst part of the Supreme Court decision, even though I 421 00:22:57,109 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 5: told you what it's holding was. One of the things 422 00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 5: it did is it said it described the executive order 423 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,410 Speaker 5: as it said that the language was of the executive 424 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:13,190 Speaker 5: order was to combat fraud in the election. I mean, 425 00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:16,290 Speaker 5: it's like I mean, that that was so such a 426 00:23:16,369 --> 00:23:20,630 Speaker 5: partisan description. Right. And then it also had language saying, well, 427 00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:23,170 Speaker 5: this is just the president dealing with what his own 428 00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 5: executive branch can do. 429 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:25,700 Speaker 2: Right. 430 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,580 Speaker 5: And and. And like, again, if that's the if that 431 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 5: is really the construct, are you really saying he could 432 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,379 Speaker 5: say don't count Democrat? My executive branch isn't going to 433 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,810 Speaker 5: send out Democratic ballots. So, I mean, look, I think 434 00:23:40,869 --> 00:23:42,810 Speaker 5: it's going to be a bit of a squeaker going 435 00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:45,510 Speaker 5: up to the Supreme Court. But I do think the 436 00:23:45,650 --> 00:23:50,910 Speaker 5: problem of implementation for November is going to is going 437 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:53,140 Speaker 5: to be the thing that I don't see how this 438 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:57,780 Speaker 5: administration is going to. really be able to overcome that. 439 00:23:58,220 --> 00:24:00,380 Speaker 2: And they may try to do it in 28. 440 00:24:00,380 --> 00:24:06,130 Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely. And set the table, have this decision, sort 441 00:24:06,170 --> 00:24:10,410 Speaker 5: of try and say what could be allowed. But again, 442 00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:13,949 Speaker 5: this is prediction, but I just don't see between the 443 00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 5: fact that I think it's not lawful, but also it 444 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 5: cannot in fact be implemented. I think that you will 445 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,899 Speaker 5: get five justices who agree with one or both of 446 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:24,460 Speaker 5: those things. 447 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:27,540 Speaker 2: But it's going back to the Supreme Court now. And 448 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:29,179 Speaker 2: I think totally, totally. 449 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,510 Speaker 1: But the top line, because we're almost out of time, 450 00:24:31,530 --> 00:24:34,230 Speaker 1: I want you to just confirm these things. 451 00:24:34,930 --> 00:24:38,010 Speaker 2: You will have mail in ballots. The midterms will be 452 00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:38,850 Speaker 2: free and fair. 453 00:24:38,869 --> 00:24:43,630 Speaker 1: And everyone needs to stop hyperventilating about the midterms. 454 00:24:43,869 --> 00:24:47,230 Speaker 2: That said, it's the most important midterm of our lives. 455 00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: And if we don't flip the House and possibly the Senate, 456 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,340 Speaker 1: we're not going to be voting in twenty eight. 457 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:55,859 Speaker 5: So I agree with most of that. On the free 458 00:24:55,900 --> 00:24:59,020 Speaker 5: and fair, the one thing I will say is that 459 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 5: I do think that we're going to see other shenanigans. 460 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:05,379 Speaker 5: In other words, I do think that we're going to 461 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 5: see other things, but I do want to make sure 462 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 5: people understand there are a lot of people who are 463 00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:15,940 Speaker 5: thinking about this, who are ready and poised to do. Look, 464 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:19,179 Speaker 5: exactly what just happened here. The Supreme Court said it 465 00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:22,100 Speaker 5: was brought too soon. Well, the next day, the League 466 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 5: of Women Voters was back in court and they got 467 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,109 Speaker 5: an injunction. So, look, there are people out there fighting 468 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,030 Speaker 5: for you. Exactly. But I couldn't agree with you more. 469 00:25:33,250 --> 00:25:35,649 Speaker 5: I mean, I know every single time we've been saying 470 00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 5: this is the election that really matters. But given what 471 00:25:39,220 --> 00:25:42,780 Speaker 5: we have seen the last two years, this is one 472 00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:44,580 Speaker 5: where I'd say we really mean it. 473 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:45,939 Speaker 2: That's right. 474 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: We laugh to keep, like the record show, we laugh 475 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: to keep from crying. 476 00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:51,980 Speaker 2: Andrew Weissman, will you please come back? 477 00:25:52,540 --> 00:25:54,659 Speaker 5: I will totally come back. Thank you for having me. 478 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,540 Speaker 5: Your total favorite. 479 00:25:56,940 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's very.... 480 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:06,389 Speaker 1: Dave Reagan is the president of the SEIU-United Healthcare Workers West. 481 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,700 Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, Dave Reagan. 482 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: Thank you, Molly. 483 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:11,300 Speaker 4: I'm glad to be here. 484 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,619 Speaker 1: Okay, so tell me about the California Billionaires Tax. We 485 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: need first the story of where it came from, and 486 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,899 Speaker 1: then tell us its history and what. 487 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,460 Speaker 2: The play here. 488 00:26:21,619 --> 00:26:25,780 Speaker 4: Yeah, so people, I'm sure, remember that last year on 489 00:26:25,820 --> 00:26:29,290 Speaker 4: the 4th of July, President Trump signed the one big, 490 00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 4: beautiful bill, which was the largest defunding of the American 491 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,899 Speaker 4: health care system in the history of our country. It 492 00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:40,950 Speaker 4: takes a trillion dollars out of core health care programs 493 00:26:41,030 --> 00:26:45,090 Speaker 4: over the next 10 years. That includes $ 100 billion out 494 00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:50,030 Speaker 4: of California's system over the next five years. we're a 495 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 4: union of healthcare workers. We work very hard to try 496 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,540 Speaker 4: and prevent that piece of legislation from passing. And when 497 00:26:57,580 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 4: it did pass, we asked ourselves the obvious question, is 498 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,070 Speaker 4: there anything else we can do? And we had been 499 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:11,310 Speaker 4: in contact with this incredible group of economists and professors 500 00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:15,630 Speaker 4: in the University of California system who have been studying 501 00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:19,230 Speaker 4: wealth and income inequality. And it occurred to us that 502 00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:25,300 Speaker 4: we could file a one-time emergency, in our case, 5% 503 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 4: tax only on California's 250 billionaires. And that would restore 504 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 4: the cuts for the next five years and avoid this 505 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,710 Speaker 4: imminent catastrophe that we're all looking at because of the 506 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 4: one big beautiful bill. So, you know, the legislation was 507 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 4: filed on the 4th of July. We had until about 508 00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:50,619 Speaker 4: mid-October to come up with something that we thought would 509 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 4: make sense to voters. We filed in October. And since then, 510 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: you know, we've managed to qualify what's now called Proposition 40, 511 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,510 Speaker 4: the California Billionaire Tax Act. And we're going to be 512 00:28:04,570 --> 00:28:07,709 Speaker 4: on the ballot on November 3rd. And it's really the 513 00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:10,870 Speaker 4: first time, not just in the history of the United States, 514 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: but in the history of the world, that voters will 515 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,260 Speaker 4: have an opportunity to weigh in on what we should 516 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 4: expect of billionaires as we're facing all of these common problems, 517 00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:26,270 Speaker 4: whether it's health care, schools, homelessness, that kind of thing. 518 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:29,690 Speaker 4: So that's the background of how we Got here. 519 00:28:29,910 --> 00:28:32,590 Speaker 1: So there's so much misinformation about this tax. 520 00:28:32,650 --> 00:28:32,990 Speaker 5: Sure. 521 00:28:33,109 --> 00:28:37,290 Speaker 1: So it's a one-time tax to save the public health 522 00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:40,670 Speaker 1: care in the state of California, right? 523 00:28:40,910 --> 00:28:41,190 Speaker 3: Yes. 524 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:45,730 Speaker 4: One of the unusual things, everybody in California agrees, including 525 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:50,790 Speaker 4: the governor, policy experts, legislative leaders. If Proposition 40 does 526 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:54,300 Speaker 4: not pass in November, three and a half million Californians 527 00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:58,710 Speaker 4: are going to lose their health insurance coverage. 150,000 frontline 528 00:28:58,750 --> 00:29:01,950 Speaker 4: health care workers are going to lose their jobs. Over 529 00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:07,490 Speaker 4: 20 million consumers are going to pay substantially more in premiums, 530 00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:11,570 Speaker 4: deductibles and copays as the insurance companies try to claw 531 00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 4: back the $ 25 billion that President Trump's bill took out 532 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,010 Speaker 4: of our system and reduce it's literally true that there 533 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: will be people who suffer unnecessarily and literally lose their lives. 534 00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:28,700 Speaker 4: Everybody agrees on that. And this is the only solution 535 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,180 Speaker 4: that's on the table. 536 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 5: So that's what we're facing. 537 00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:36,910 Speaker 1: So this is like the tax. So basically, this is 538 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:42,550 Speaker 1: to keep the tax. So Republicans allowed the tax incentive, 539 00:29:42,730 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: the tax credits, the Obamacare credits to lapse, which meant 540 00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: that everybody's health insurance went up a huge number. Millions 541 00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:52,500 Speaker 1: of people have been kicked off their health care. This 542 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,900 Speaker 1: is to prevent that from happening in California. 543 00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:56,460 Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yes. 544 00:29:57,060 --> 00:30:01,300 Speaker 1: So technically, the people got kicked off health care. Trump 545 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,350 Speaker 1: did this to give a tax cut to very rich people. 546 00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:09,150 Speaker 4: Absolutely. Once again, just most of the $ 1 trillion over 547 00:30:09,170 --> 00:30:12,510 Speaker 4: the next 10 years is going to the wealthiest Americans 548 00:30:13,030 --> 00:30:17,900 Speaker 4: in yet another tax reduction. that they don't need. And 549 00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:21,470 Speaker 4: it's this time at the direct expense of health care 550 00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:25,270 Speaker 4: services and benefits to tens of millions of people across 551 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:25,770 Speaker 4: the country. 552 00:30:26,250 --> 00:30:29,370 Speaker 1: So how would you do this billionaire task? 553 00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:35,130 Speaker 4: It's actually very simple. There's about 250 billionaires who live 554 00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 4: in California, more than in any state in the country. 555 00:30:38,490 --> 00:30:44,420 Speaker 4: Their collective wealth is $ 2. 4 trillion years ago, the California 556 00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:48,740 Speaker 4: billionaires collectively held $ 700 billion. It is now more than 557 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 4: tripled in the past seven years to almost $ 2. 5 trillion. 558 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,100 Speaker 2: So how do you tax. 559 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,170 Speaker 4: That, though? 70% of that wealth is in publicly traded stocks. 560 00:30:59,690 --> 00:31:02,730 Speaker 4: And everybody can see the price every day at the 561 00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 4: closing of the stock exchange. The other 30% is in 562 00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:11,290 Speaker 4: different types of investment vehicles. And all of this has 563 00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:14,490 Speaker 4: been reported. And there's a history of every tax filer, 564 00:31:14,550 --> 00:31:17,790 Speaker 4: the billionaires in California, where you can look at the 565 00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:22,910 Speaker 4: previous filings. So next year, after this passes on April 15th, 566 00:31:22,990 --> 00:31:26,990 Speaker 4: when people file their taxes, the billionaires will be required 567 00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:32,540 Speaker 4: to pay a one-time 5% tax on their aggregate wealth. 568 00:31:33,330 --> 00:31:36,670 Speaker 4: And that comes up to about $ 100 billion. The billionaires 569 00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:39,030 Speaker 4: can choose to pay it in one lump sum or 570 00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:43,270 Speaker 4: they can pay 1% a year for five years. There's 571 00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:47,190 Speaker 4: an organization called the Franchise Tax Board in California that 572 00:31:47,410 --> 00:31:51,850 Speaker 4: enforces the tax laws and rules in California and has 573 00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: the authority to make sure that people are paying. There 574 00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:59,940 Speaker 4: is a lot of misinformation. The wealth of billionaires is 575 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 4: actually pretty easy to calculate. And again, 70% of it, 576 00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:07,330 Speaker 4: you just have to look at the quotes at the 577 00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:10,550 Speaker 4: stock exchange at the end of the day. And there's 578 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:14,830 Speaker 4: very significant penalties to the billionaires if they try to 579 00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:18,150 Speaker 4: avoid the tax or shade their holdings. And again, the 580 00:32:18,170 --> 00:32:19,709 Speaker 4: Franchise Bites board can do that. 581 00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:21,910 Speaker 2: Some of those people have already moved out of the state. 582 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:25,170 Speaker 4: Well, a handful of them claim to have done that. 583 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:28,850 Speaker 4: What's important about our measure is that it applies to 584 00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:31,830 Speaker 4: anybody who was a legal resident of the state of 585 00:32:31,870 --> 00:32:37,810 Speaker 4: California on January 1st of this year. There were press reports, 586 00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:42,930 Speaker 4: and this is something that also people typically don't fully appreciate, 587 00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:46,490 Speaker 4: that if anyone has ever tried to have their kids 588 00:32:46,570 --> 00:32:50,330 Speaker 4: apply to out-of-state colleges, you know there's a big difference 589 00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 4: in tuition between in-state residency and out-of-state residency. Well, if 590 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:56,580 Speaker 4: you're going to go to an out-of-state college, you can't 591 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,790 Speaker 4: show up a couple of weeks before school starts and 592 00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:04,940 Speaker 4: claim you're an in-state resident. That's essentially what the billionaires 593 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 4: are trying to say that Sergey Brin says he bought 594 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,390 Speaker 4: a house in Nevada in December and that he's now 595 00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:14,550 Speaker 4: a resident of Nevada. Well, that's just not true. He 596 00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:18,070 Speaker 4: is a legal resident for tax purposes. And so again, 597 00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:22,030 Speaker 4: a handful of people said that. Interestingly enough, Sergey Brin 598 00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:24,730 Speaker 4: is now back in Mountain View and it's been widely 599 00:33:24,790 --> 00:33:27,860 Speaker 4: reported that he's working you know, right there at the 600 00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:32,100 Speaker 4: Google headquarters, because as he knows, the AI boom is 601 00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:34,940 Speaker 4: happening in California and he wants to cash in on 602 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:38,980 Speaker 4: this next gargantuan windfall. So it's really a question of 603 00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:43,690 Speaker 4: legal residency. Anybody who is a legal resident on January 1, 604 00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:47,170 Speaker 4: 2026 is subject to the tax. And we believe the 605 00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:50,130 Speaker 4: handful of billionaires that claim they have left are all 606 00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:54,140 Speaker 4: legal residents and will be subject to the tax. Because 607 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,370 Speaker 4: it's a one-time tax, nobody beyond those that are legal 608 00:33:58,450 --> 00:34:01,910 Speaker 4: residents on January 1 will be subject to the tax. 609 00:34:01,950 --> 00:34:04,250 Speaker 4: And we did that intentionally. We don't want to drive 610 00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:06,860 Speaker 4: billionaires out of California, but we do want them to 611 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 4: pay their fair share. 612 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 2: Okay. So the ads I saw, it was horrifying. Wait, 613 00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:15,500 Speaker 2: hold on. I have to let out a dog who's 614 00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:16,489 Speaker 2: not happy. Hold on. 615 00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:21,170 Speaker 1: The AI and people and a Trojan horse trying to 616 00:34:21,210 --> 00:34:22,910 Speaker 1: grab a little kid's bicycle. 617 00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:23,700 Speaker 4: Right. 618 00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:26,380 Speaker 2: Are you trying to grab a little kid's bicycle? 619 00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 4: No, we're trying to get the wealthiest people on planet 620 00:34:31,140 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 4: Earth to help us solve a common public health crisis 621 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,740 Speaker 4: that's looming in front of us. And it is worth 622 00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:44,850 Speaker 4: remembering that despite what the billionaires frequently claim about is 623 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:49,109 Speaker 4: billionaires pay substantially lower tax rates than you and I do. 624 00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:53,010 Speaker 4: They pay lower tax rates than teachers and construction workers 625 00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:57,230 Speaker 4: and firefighters. And there's that famous story, Warren Buffett, the 626 00:34:57,270 --> 00:35:00,069 Speaker 4: famous investor, used to say all the time that he 627 00:35:00,290 --> 00:35:05,070 Speaker 4: pays substantially lower taxes proportionally than his secretary who made 628 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:08,260 Speaker 4: less than $ 100, 000 a year. And he's right about that. 629 00:35:08,739 --> 00:35:13,739 Speaker 4: So even with a one-time emergency 5% tax, to stabilize 630 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,910 Speaker 4: our health care system, the billionaires still won't be doing 631 00:35:16,989 --> 00:35:20,570 Speaker 4: what you and I and everybody else in California is doing. 632 00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:25,810 Speaker 4: And this is a common sense, fair, needed proposal, or 633 00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:28,150 Speaker 4: millions of people are going to lose health insurance. 634 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:29,170 Speaker 5: True. 635 00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 2: Explain to us who the people who are doing the 636 00:35:31,780 --> 00:35:32,299 Speaker 2: AI videos were. 637 00:35:36,420 --> 00:35:40,530 Speaker 4: The largest funder of the billionaire campaign is Sergey Brin, 638 00:35:40,810 --> 00:35:43,569 Speaker 4: one of the founders of Google. He has already put 639 00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:46,730 Speaker 4: in well over $ 100 million of his own money to 640 00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:49,779 Speaker 4: try and defeat this. By the way, Sergey Brin is 641 00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 4: worth about $ 2 million today. His wealth has increased just 642 00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 4: in the first six months of this year by $ 26 billion. 643 00:35:56,260 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 4: So again... When you have to recover $ 25 billion in 644 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 4: lost health care funding, there's only so many places you 645 00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:09,670 Speaker 4: can go. And given that billionaires don't come close to 646 00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:13,310 Speaker 4: doing what everyone else does, we think this is fair. 647 00:36:13,410 --> 00:36:18,150 Speaker 4: And the only thing they have is fear mongering, misinformation 648 00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 4: and just flat out lies, because this is something that 649 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,690 Speaker 4: is supported by a large majority of the public. And 650 00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 4: the truth is, the more people know about the billionaire tax, 651 00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:35,420 Speaker 4: the more supportive they are. And these crazy AI ads 652 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,189 Speaker 4: that look like this apocalyptic future, this is the best 653 00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:43,969 Speaker 4: they got. And the truth is, the apocalyptic future is 654 00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:47,580 Speaker 4: what happens when three and a half million Californians lose 655 00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:51,580 Speaker 4: health care coverage. 20 million plus people are paying more 656 00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 4: and more to deal with all the cuts. And emergency 657 00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:58,299 Speaker 4: rooms and hospitals and community clinics continue to close at 658 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,219 Speaker 4: an accelerated rate. So that's what we're talking about. And 659 00:37:02,260 --> 00:37:03,670 Speaker 4: that's what the campaign's about. 660 00:37:04,070 --> 00:37:04,950 Speaker 2: So can you win? 661 00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:09,629 Speaker 4: Yes, we absolutely can win. Every public poll that has 662 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:13,610 Speaker 4: been released shows up, shows us with a large lead, 663 00:37:14,110 --> 00:37:16,330 Speaker 4: you know, and The polls differ a little bit. There's 664 00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:19,990 Speaker 4: not been one poll in California that shows us trailing. 665 00:37:20,469 --> 00:37:25,379 Speaker 4: This is supported by 80% of Democratic voters. It's supported 666 00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:29,780 Speaker 4: by a large majority of independent voters. The billionaire tax 667 00:37:29,860 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 4: Proposition 40 is supported by every identifiable demographic in California. 668 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,469 Speaker 4: Men favor it. Women favor it. High-income people favor it. 669 00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 4: Lower-income people favor it. Every ethnic and racial group, Latinos, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, 670 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 4: there's only one demographic that is not in support of it, 671 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,700 Speaker 4: and that's registered Republicans. And we get about a third 672 00:37:55,739 --> 00:37:59,270 Speaker 4: of them. And so can we win? We absolutely can. 673 00:37:59,489 --> 00:38:02,230 Speaker 4: And just in the last month, we've gotten the endorsement 674 00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:05,630 Speaker 4: of the California State Democratic Party. We've gotten the endorsement 675 00:38:05,710 --> 00:38:09,189 Speaker 4: of the State Federation of Labor. We've gotten over 300 676 00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:15,410 Speaker 4: endorsements from organizations and individuals. And, you know, we're, building 677 00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:19,350 Speaker 4: the biggest grassroots campaign that we think will ever have 678 00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 4: been built on a ballot initiative in the history of 679 00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:23,860 Speaker 4: the state of California. 680 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:26,259 Speaker 2: It's unbelievably interesting. 681 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,340 Speaker 1: So tell me what, tell me who, how do you 682 00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:32,420 Speaker 1: explain this to people? 683 00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:34,299 Speaker 2: Why, like, there seems to. 684 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,930 Speaker 1: Be a lot of fear around this from people who 685 00:38:37,989 --> 00:38:41,890 Speaker 1: are not billionaires. Why do you think that is? And 686 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:43,910 Speaker 1: can you sort of debunk that? 687 00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 4: Well, To be honest with you, I think the fears 688 00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:54,980 Speaker 4: are overblown. And again, every public poll out there has 689 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,210 Speaker 4: us leading in this. What people have to understand is 690 00:39:00,270 --> 00:39:04,010 Speaker 4: the real choice for Proposition 30 is are we going 691 00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:07,310 Speaker 4: to have a collapse of our health care system in 692 00:39:07,330 --> 00:39:10,109 Speaker 4: the state of California? And as you know, by the way, 693 00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:14,219 Speaker 4: the one big beautiful bill was so cynical that the 694 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 4: worst of the cuts were backloaded until after the November elections. 695 00:39:19,219 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 4: And so they won't get full force until calendar year 2027. 696 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 4: And by then it's too late. So the question is, 697 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 4: you know, do we want to see a collapse of 698 00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 4: our health care system or do we think it's fair 699 00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:38,739 Speaker 4: for 250 billionaires whose wealth is increasing at a staggering 700 00:39:38,860 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 4: rate who will not even notice this? Should they pay 701 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,170 Speaker 4: a one time five percent tax, still not pay what 702 00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:47,790 Speaker 4: the rest of us pay? But we won't have millions 703 00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:51,710 Speaker 4: of people who are losing coverage, who are foregoing treatment 704 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:55,379 Speaker 4: and thousands of people who will literally lose their lives. 705 00:39:55,489 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 4: It's life and death. And by the way, just in 706 00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:01,380 Speaker 4: the last two months in the county of Los Angeles, 707 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,629 Speaker 4: largest county in California, seven community clinics. federally qualified health 708 00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:11,170 Speaker 4: centers have closed because of the cuts. And we haven't 709 00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:15,029 Speaker 4: felt the full effect. So that will continue. Hospitals will close. 710 00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 4: Community clinics will close. People will go without coverage or 711 00:40:20,219 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 4: the billionaires can pay, you know, one emergency, one time tax. 712 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 4: And so that's if people understand it in those terms, 713 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 4: you know, we're very confident that we can prevail. And 714 00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 4: I think what the billionaires are trying to do is 715 00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 4: to mislead people And then literally try to say, well, 716 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 4: you know, a tax on billionaires is like a tax 717 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,210 Speaker 4: on regular people and nothing could be further from the truth. 718 00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:49,690 Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. And now your 719 00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:52,669 Speaker 2: moment of suffering. Jesse Cannon. 720 00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:56,270 Speaker 3: Molly Jung fast. So one of the ways that Republicans 721 00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:59,610 Speaker 3: bring out every two years to try to attempt to 722 00:40:59,650 --> 00:41:02,620 Speaker 3: win is these voting purges. So, of course, we see 723 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,540 Speaker 3: more than one point two million Texas voter registrations being suspended. 724 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 2: Republicans are pulling very, very badly in Texas. 725 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 5: So badly. 726 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,089 Speaker 2: This is the first. 727 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,470 Speaker 1: Election ever where you have the Democrat winning by two 728 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:20,630 Speaker 1: or three. Because Ken Paxton, here's the thing about Ken Paxton, 729 00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:24,100 Speaker 1: it's a perfect storm. Tallarico is a really good candidate, 730 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: was a lot of, speaks really well, has this faith, 731 00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:31,609 Speaker 1: is also not insane. Paxton is a really corrupt candidate. 732 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:36,870 Speaker 1: Attorney General running around with the ladies. Democrats could win Texas. 733 00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:42,430 Speaker 1: And that is why Republicans have suspended 1.2 million Texas 734 00:41:42,469 --> 00:41:43,710 Speaker 1: voter registrations. 735 00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:46,989 Speaker 2: And by the way, who is the attorney general in Texas? 736 00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:48,190 Speaker 3: That would be Ken Paxton. 737 00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: Running for Senate and probably going to lose unless they 738 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: do something very corrupt. And that is why we are 739 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,660 Speaker 1: here at this moment. And that is our moment of fuckery. 740 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,580 Speaker 1: Do not let Texas Republicans cheat. Do not let them 741 00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:06,610 Speaker 1: disenfranchise 1.2 million voters. 742 00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:07,450 Speaker 2: That's a lot of voters. 743 00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:08,049 Speaker 3: It's a lot. 744 00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:13,190 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 745 00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:18,890 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear the best 746 00:42:18,969 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: minds in politics make sense of all this chaos. If 747 00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:26,420 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 748 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. 749 00:42:28,930 --> 00:42:30,070 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.