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Speaker 1: As a late fifteen to ten touched up Chargers.

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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, We are back with a brand new

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Speaker 2: episode of Chargers Weekly three weeks until the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four NFL Draft, but business at Hope Performance Center this

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Speaker 2: week April second Baby, as always, joined by Bat Buddy

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Speaker 2: Smith and Buddy. You were there for the start of

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Speaker 2: the off season program. You got to listen to the pressers.

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Speaker 2: We have a ton of questions that we will get

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Speaker 2: to and we've throughout our episode today, but just want

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Speaker 2: to give you the floor again first on just your

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Speaker 2: reaction to the start of a new era of Chargers football.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's you know, I'm not gonna name names. It'd

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Speaker 1: be a lot of people that perhaps the folks listen

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Speaker 1: and aren't aren't familiar with, but you know people that

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Speaker 1: we work with that are part of the Chargers staff,

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Speaker 1: and just feel it. Man. You can feel the juice,

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Speaker 1: you can feel the bounce, you can feel the electricity,

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Speaker 1: you can feel the excitement people that are in the

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Speaker 1: building every single day. It is infectious. It is palpable,

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Speaker 1: and I think the sliver, the the whatever it might

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Speaker 1: have come out to an hour, hour and change of

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Speaker 1: pressers from those three individuals I think, you know, sort

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Speaker 1: of speaks and gives you a tiny glimpse into what

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Speaker 1: life is like every day and how committed you know

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Speaker 1: this staff is and these new men are. You know,

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Speaker 1: these men are to building a championship caliber football and

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Speaker 1: it it permeates, man, I could. I could feel it

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Speaker 1: and talking to all the people that that we've been

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Speaker 1: around for the last you know, eight years, and how

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Speaker 1: it's taken over that facility and a new culture is

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Speaker 1: is being installed.

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Speaker 2: So Jim Harball, you can listen to him talk for hours.

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Speaker 2: Hayden Hurst was great, but you know, the main event

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Speaker 2: was Ben Herbert and I don't know if I've seen

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Speaker 2: somebody in his position get the floor like that in

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Speaker 2: an NFL press conference. It was remarkable and I think

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Speaker 2: it leads to the first question that we have from

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Speaker 2: our buddies at Charger Chat podcast. Dude, that Ben Herbert

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Speaker 2: press conference was intense. I've never heard of strength and

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Speaker 2: conditioning philosophy like that. What kind of impact do you

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Speaker 2: think he will have on our players and team. It's

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Speaker 2: better for me and you to just let Ben give

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Speaker 3: The first goal is to make you harder to break.

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Speaker 3: People often may say training, we're gonna break, We're going

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Speaker 3: to break you down and build you up. My goal

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Speaker 3: is not to break you. My goal is to make

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Speaker 3: about doing that? How we train your neck in traps

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Speaker 3: to protect your head? Right, The most vulnerabilary is of

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Speaker 3: the body, in my opinion, in the game of football,

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Speaker 3: your training you have to be proactive at training those

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Speaker 3: the trap work, the four part cuff sequence to address

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Speaker 3: These are things that are paramount. If you want to

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Speaker 3: to be sound in my opinion, it's all my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Your training has to be sound in those areas. So

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Speaker 3: that's goal number one.

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Speaker 1: Make you harder to break.

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Speaker 3: Goal number two And it has to do more with

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Speaker 3: your ability to show up every day and repeatedly do

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Speaker 3: what you are capable of doing. Consistency is incredibly valuable.

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Speaker 3: Attention to detail, right, there's a way we do things.

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Speaker 3: There's a way we train, and there's a way we

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Speaker 3: like when we had two and a half pound plates

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Speaker 3: There's a certain level of detail involved in that. And

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Speaker 3: then emotional stability. You will never see me some guys coaches.

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Speaker 3: One of them, Chris Hinton's a guy that's you know,

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Speaker 3: we were together at Michigan. These guys, they've they've been

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Speaker 3: I don't change, meaning a coach orb got the juice today,

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Speaker 3: never changed. This is my twenty third year knowing people

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Speaker 3: stability incredibly important. And then bigger, faster, stronger. I want

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Speaker 3: make you improve your acceleration, your top end speed. All

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Speaker 3: of these things we call them key performance indicators that

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Speaker 3: help make a guy harder to break. Consistency, attention to detail,

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Speaker 3: emotional stability, bigger, faster, stronger, more mobile and flexible. That's

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Speaker 2: Our program money so much there. My favorite part was

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Speaker 2: and putting them perfectly. And it reminds me of a

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Speaker 2: book that I read Legacy about the All Blacks, the

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Speaker 1: I think it's not comfortable if you're you know, busting

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Speaker 1: and that is attention to detail. That every inch matters,

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Speaker 1: and look, there's a reason why the Chargers made him

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Speaker 1: think it just breeds, it breeds that culture of there's

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Speaker 1: a race, not just participate. This is how we win

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Speaker 1: You know? Do you want to participate or do you

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of that. And look,

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Speaker 1: You can't win the race if you can't finish it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love how he kicked it off too. He says,

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Speaker 2: and this is a very similar operation. They want to

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think everybody in this league, they're a big, strong,

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Speaker 4: And I think these coaches, with you know, playing for

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Speaker 2: So, buddy, these are just these are the types of

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Speaker 2: are familiar with what they're trying to accomplish, to get

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Speaker 2: April second, from here on out, these are the moments

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Speaker 2: last team standing in the fourth quarter, because, as hayden

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Speaker 2: Hurst said, there's a lot of teams that don't want

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Speaker 2: that don't want to tough it out with ten minutes

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Speaker 2: left in the fourth quarter, and this team is training

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Speaker 2: right now to be one of those toughest teams in

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Speaker 1: It was. It was my favorite thirty seconds of the day.

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Speaker 1: It really was, because it's one thing. You know, coaches

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Speaker 1: have messaging, they have talking points, they have philosophies, but

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Speaker 1: So to hear this, to hear a player say it,

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Speaker 1: it would be thirty six, thirty seven and two and

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Speaker 1: they now they have a one, two, two's, two threes,

432
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 1: two fours. How about that? How about that to get

433
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Speaker 1: things started for this team? It just to me, it

434
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: lines up. It's too obvious that it works out that way.

435
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: And at eleven, you can take maybe the number one corner.

436
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Speaker 1: You can take one of your offensive linemen that are

437
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Speaker 1: likely graded very closely to one another, be it Alt

438
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Speaker 1: and Fuaga and Fetanu and Latham whomever that may be, Forshanu,

439
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: whoever that may be. Or you can take Quenya Mitchell

440
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: the number one corner. You could take one of the dns.

441
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: There's so you can take Blake, you can take brock Bowers,

442
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: maybe a Donesday slides Like to me, it just it's

443
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: so obvious, It is so obvious to me that that's

444
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: how this thing should play out.

445
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Speaker 2: We so there's a there's a clip circulating this week.

446
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's been around for a while, but it

447
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: was Badia support last year on the phones. Did you

448
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: see that? It's it's a it's a three minute clip

449
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: money where he is doing the trade with Houston. He's

450
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: on the phone with Detroit and it's like, it's just

451
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 2: it's theater. It's three and a half minutes. And this

452
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: is kind of an amazing insight into the war room

453
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Speaker 2: and maybe what the Chargers are going to be doing

454
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: all draft night, minutes before they select, and you know,

455
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: like your deal.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah you're Rikers. It's exactly what he did last year.

457
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing. They wanted Paris Johnson and

458
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: they were like whatever, they still got their guy. They

459
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Speaker 1: added a first. They would do the exact same thing

460
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Speaker 1: this year. I haven't seen it yet, but that's I'm

461
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Speaker 1: glad you brought it up because that's exactly the scenario

462
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Speaker 1: that I am painting. And it just makes right, am

463
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: I crazy? It makes way too much sense.

464
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: It does, especially if you want to build your team.

465
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: Now I will because we have so many Marvin Harrison

466
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Speaker 2: Junior questions. Okay, well listen and I get it. You

467
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: are enamored with Marvin Harrison junior or myliite neighbors. How

468
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: realistic would it be for the Chargers to take mylaque

469
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Speaker 2: neighbors if Marvin Harrison Junior is still on the board

470
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Speaker 2: at five, Well, you just laid out the reason for

471
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Speaker 2: trading out. I went back and listen to or I

472
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Speaker 2: read an article. This is after Ohio State in Michigan

473
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Speaker 2: played and Minter did a masterful job on kind of

474
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Speaker 2: limiting Marvin Harrison Junior. He still got his But Jesse Minner,

475
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Speaker 2: this was a quote for Jesse Minner about Marvin Harrison Junior.

476
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Speaker 2: He's probably one of the best college receivers in the

477
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Speaker 2: last fifteen to twenty years, one of the best NFL

478
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: draft prospects at that position in a long time. So

479
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: that's Jesse Minner saying that Jim Harball, he's a great player,

480
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: gotta be covered. You gotta slow him down is probably

481
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: the better word. So I agree with you. I think

482
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: that they need to build this roster route and get

483
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: as many guys as possible if you don't have a

484
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: trade partner, though, I just wonder if the connection to

485
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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior through that game and playing in the

486
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: Big Ten is enough to be like, you know what,

487
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: we know this guy's work ethic. He was unbelievably impossible

488
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: to guard. If he's on our team with Justin Herbert, Wow,

489
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: But what if Joe Ortiz likes Malik neighbors or roam

490
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: with Dunsee better. You know, I just think that there's

491
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: a lot of questions that we don't know inside that

492
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Speaker 2: war room about what number five is. But going back

493
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Speaker 2: to your last point, I can see them trying to

494
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Speaker 2: trade out and really building this roster route at a

495
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Speaker 2: myriad of positions, maybe in favor of one of those

496
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Speaker 2: top three guys.

497
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Speaker 1: So look, I always feel like I have to explain

498
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Speaker 1: myself because people get so upset at the idea of

499
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Speaker 1: them not taking one of these three. Yeah, So I'll

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Speaker 1: lay it out like this. You know, I have I

501
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: have scar tissue. I have Jim Harbaughs scar tissue because

502
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: I've I lived it like I lived it. I lived

503
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: it when I called college football games, and it's one

504
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: of the greatest things I've ever seen. I'm not gonna lie.

505
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm calling the game nationally. I'm a neutral.

506
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: I'm calling the game neutral. And it never bled through.

507
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It never bled through on the broadcast.

508
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: But I can tell you right now, in my heart

509
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: and in my football soul what I wanted, and I

510
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: wanted Stanford to win every game because it was fascinating

511
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: to me to watch. I had called all these Pac

512
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: twelve games with all this finesse on the field and

513
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: wide receivers and spread it out and air it out.

514
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: And Jim Harbass showed up at Stanford and simply said,

515
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: we're gonna bust your ass up. We are gonna come

516
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: in here, and it's a pain in the ass to recruit,

517
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: and I can't get the athletes that you have. So

518
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna get all your five star wide receivers and

519
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: your fancy play on the edges running back, and I

520
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: am going to get the best olignement and I'm gonna

521
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: get guys that want to fight, and we are going

522
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: to beat the living hell out of you and you're

523
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Speaker 1: gonna quit. And I watch and it happened on and

524
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: Lorenzo didn't mean to say it, but he said it,

525
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: and it it just hit me. He's like you know.

526
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Speaker 1: And he didn't mean to make a point as he

527
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Speaker 1: said it. He said, I love hearing this, you know,

528
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Speaker 1: because the NFL has become such a finest league. And

529
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Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm reliving this like I'm I'm

530
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Speaker 1: reliving it right now. I can remember talking to coach

531
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Speaker 1: on the field with Curtis Conway, who's doing the games

532
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Speaker 1: with me, and him just talking about it's finesse league, man.

533
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: No one's no one's finesse conference. No one's built to

534
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: slow us down. They're all playing with five defensive backs

535
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: out there. These linebackers are two hundred and twenty pounds,

536
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: and he would go out credit card alignment with six

537
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Speaker 1: tozer linemen, three or you know, two tight ends, a back,

538
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: of full back, and a quarter and he would run

539
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: it down their throats and he would punish them. And

540
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: I think Jim Harbaugh has looked at the NFL and

541
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Speaker 1: has said they're not ready for it. Man, they can't

542
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: handle it. They don't have the personnel. They got two

543
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pound safeties playing linebacker right now. They

544
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: will not be able to contend with what we are

545
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: going to put them through for sixty minutes. So I

546
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: just for me, it's hard to envision how a wide

547
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: receiver fits in to that vision as a priority. That's

548
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: and again it's me. It's total bias. I acknowledge it.

549
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: It's because I lived it, and I watched that Stanford

550
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: team as a forty nine point underdog upset USC, and

551
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: I watched them bend the Trojans and end their reign

552
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: because of their physical prowess and their will. And I

553
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: just I can't help but think he's trying to redo it.

554
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: He very well could be. I'll ask you this though,

555
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: because Justin Herb is a different animal, Justin Herbert in

556
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: his arm. And I think it's very realistic to think

557
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: that if you get rid of Keenan Allen and Mike

558
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: Williams and you look at a generational wide receiver, which

559
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: Jessemitter said fifteen twenty years, haven't seen a guy like him,

560
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: and you could pair him on a rookie contract with

561
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert while still trying to build that team. I

562
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: think that that's probably the one thing that I look

563
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: at where I agree one hundred percent with you, But

564
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: I think Justin Herbert is the outlier here. Is like, Okay,

565
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: we've never had a quarterback like him, who could stretch

566
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: the field too, like you could play a number of

567
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: different ways, and we have to pack a running game,

568
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: we have to be aggressive at physical. But if you

569
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Speaker 2: give Justin Herbert Marvin Harrison for the next decade and

570
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: we're still able to accomplish all of that later in

571
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: the draft and throughout free agency over the next couple

572
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: of years, that's the only area that kind of gives

573
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Speaker 2: me pause and says that, says man, maybe at five

574
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: it does make sense to get a Harrison or a

575
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: Neighbors because of the quarterback, and we can still build

576
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: all of that. But just knowing that you're taking one

577
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: of the best players in the draft, like the number

578
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: two or three or four best player in the draft

579
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Speaker 2: at five, That's where I'm a little conflicted. I see

580
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: both sides.

581
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So here, I'll play the side. Listen, everybody's

582
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: gonna love you on this podcast. They're all gonna hate me.

583
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: And it's fine.

584
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: No, that's not the attention.

585
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Fine, it's not the attention. Lay the other side of this,

586
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: because so here's the way I push back on that.

587
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: Would you rather take Marvin Harrison at five and then

588
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: get a tackle that probably doesn't have thirty four inch arms,

589
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: might have to be kicked inside, or maybe has a

590
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, is a little bit of a wastebender and

591
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: we got to work on his technique. Or would you

592
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: rather get the elite prospect and in the second round,

593
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Xavier Legett. I'm gonna give you

594
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: six foot three, two hundred and twenty five pounds guy

595
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: looks like Deebo Samuel out there, looks like Brandon Ayuk

596
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: out there. Like that's the thing is the wide receivers.

597
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: They have proven it is. It has been proven year

598
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: after year after year, as recent as last year, you know,

599
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: as recent as last year with Rashi Rice and Tank

600
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Dell and Kuka Nakua. You can find them. There are

601
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: very very few offensive linemen, corners, defensive line that you're

602
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: gonna find. There are some, but very few, you know

603
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. There are every single year we have

604
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: this conversation about wide receivers. DK Metcalf second, AJ Brown

605
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: second round. You know, it's Cooper Cup third round. Like

606
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: the best receivers, you know, some of the best receivers

607
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: are found Brandon Ayuk late first round, you know, Nuke

608
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: Hopkins late first round, justin Jefferson twenty third pick. Like,

609
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: it's just there is such a wealth of history that

610
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: says you can find because like that's what football's become,

611
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: right football If you have little kids, if you're listening

612
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: and you're growing up in the Friday night Lights era,

613
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: you're not growing up in the Pop Warner era. It is.

614
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: It is flag football, which is great. It is wide receivers.

615
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: There are no running backs in Friday night lights. There

616
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: are no linemen in Friday night lights. For the most part.

617
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: Everybody's just running out, So we are pumping out wide receivers.

618
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: There are so many of them, you know, with the

619
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Speaker 1: the just the pardon the pun the spread of the

620
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: spread offense and how you know it used to be

621
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Speaker 1: you know how mummy and just a handful of these

622
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: schools that ran the spread. Well, now everybody's spread out

623
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Speaker 1: and throwing it all over the yard. There are so

624
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: many wide receivers that are coming in and there are

625
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: so few offensive linemen that are at I remember, I

626
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: can't remember who the shoot. I wish I could remember

627
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: who it was. The Rams took them number two overall

628
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: out of Baylor. The tackle and I remember when they

629
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: took them.

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00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: I said, Saint Louis when they were Saint Louis, right, yeah,

631
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Speaker 2: when they were in Saint Loue.

632
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: But I remember when they drafted him, I said, Baylor,

633
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: these linemen have to hold their blocks for a second,

634
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: maybe a second and a half. Why would you try.

635
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't cure athletic he is. The guy hasn't had

636
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: to hold the block for more than a beat. You know,

637
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: you have no idea what he's gonna be. So that's

638
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: why when you talk about the likes of Fuaga and

639
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Joe Alt and Latham, these pro style offenses where these

640
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: dudes were busting tail the whole game, I think that

641
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: has so much value. And there is this there is

642
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, like if we go back to Quinton Ghine,

643
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Speaker 1: I'll rap with this. I know I'm going on too

644
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Speaker 1: much here. You know, if you look back to Quinton Johnston, like,

645
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: there's no defensive backs in the tight big twelve, you know,

646
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: there's none. They don't put corners in the league. They

647
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: spread it out. They throw it real quick, that ball

648
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: is out and you're gone. Like there's very little precision

649
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: and route running. And it's just it's such a different game.

650
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: It's such a different sport, So I think the idea

651
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: of identifying offenses offensive lineman play in this style, it's

652
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: a much easier bit of guesswork, and I think that's

653
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: why you see first rounders be so successful at that

654
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: position group and there be this wide variance in the

655
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: wide receiver group because it's such a different sport from

656
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: college to the NFL. But blocking pro style blocking is

657
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: what it is, and it's easier to kind of get

658
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: a gauge on, Okay, this guy's good, this guy we

659
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: got to work on, you know what I mean?

660
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that if you

661
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: don't take a receiver of five, it will require a

662
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: trade out to get the tackle. I don't know if

663
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: you take a tackle at five, because I don't know

664
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: if there's a consensus right tackle that's you could identify

665
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: that early. But you know, we talked about all the

666
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: trading up for quarterbacks. It wouldn't shock be in the

667
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: least if somebody wanted to trade up for Marvin Harrison junior.

668
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: That cardinal scenario that you laid out. I could see

669
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: that happening. I could see a lot of teams with

670
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Now, the Texans just got Stefan Diggs. Like Buffalo,

671
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: It'd be a little too risk for Buffalo to move

672
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: up high because at least they pick a twenty eight,

673
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: they don't really have a they don't have enough ammunition

674
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: to get up there. But there are teams that I

675
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: could see wanting a Marvin Harrison, Judor or Eleague Neighbors

676
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: at five too.

677
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: That's why the Cardinals thing makes so much sense. Yeah,

678
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: because they lose nothing. They lose nothing in the deal.

679
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: What they do is they gain four spots in the

680
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: first round. It's like, hey, we're we got arguably the

681
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: best player in the draft according to a lot of

682
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: the people that rate players, and we went from twenty

683
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: seven to twenty three to do it. Pretty good deal

684
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: for us.

685
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: That's why the buddy, That's why there's so much I

686
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: think buzz among Charger fans and maybe some disagreement because

687
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: both both scenarios make sense, right, Like if it was

688
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: just one slam dug scenario, everybody like, yeah, just take

689
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison.

690
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: It's fine.

691
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: But I think you realize that there's a lot of

692
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 2: holes on this team, and if you want to build

693
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: a team the right way, it requires a lot of

694
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: draft picks and getting guys early in this system on

695
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: rookie deals. So that's why I think that there's so

696
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: much excitement about what they're going to do at five

697
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: because there's no like cookie cutter answer as to what

698
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: you do.

699
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: Right, you know, if you run the ball well and

700
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: and the way Hayden Hurst explained it when asked like, well,

701
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: how does this you know, how does this play into

702
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: having Justin Herbert as your quarterback? And he was just

703
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: almost insulted by the question. He's like, how does it play?

704
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: It's like when you're running a ball down somebody's throat.

705
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: They got comit resources and the second they have to

706
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: do that, we now got one on ones. These are

707
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: NFL receivers you're talking about. They're gonna win their one

708
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: on ones. And you've got Justin Herbert throwing the ball,

709
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: and now the defense is a disaster. Their brains are

710
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: twisted into a pretzel. Do we commit to slow it

711
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: on the run because they're they're busting us up running

712
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: the ball for six yards of carry, or do we

713
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: now have to send safety help because Josh Palmer, whatever

714
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: receiver is out there, is winning his one on ones

715
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: like he always does, Like That's that's the thing, you know,

716
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: is it. We've talked about it. He made a j

717
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: he made AJ Geiden and T Billy, he made them

718
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: household names for Charger fans. Yeah, because there were one

719
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: on ones, you know, and and guys were you know,

720
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: another team's had to commit to Hunter Henry and Keenan

721
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: Allen and Mike Williams. And then he just attacked the

722
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: one on one. So that's that's how you work. And

723
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: again again, I go for people. I'm not understand. I'm

724
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: not trying to question, you know, the scouting validity of

725
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: our folk, of the people listening that are asking the questions.

726
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: But just before you get too enamored with Harrison a

727
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: doonsay or neighbors, do yourself a favor and go watch

728
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: some keyon Coleman. I like Xavier Legett to me, man,

729
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: that dude is a man. He is tossing sec dudes

730
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: always all place. Like go watch Roman Wilson. Watch how

731
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: he snatches the ball and stride. He never gathers, he

732
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: never breaks speed. You know, go watch some of the Projecteds,

733
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: watch Addie Mitchell out of Texas. Watch Xavier Worthy and

734
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: that four to two speed. You know, in press, shaking

735
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: some press and getting down the sideline and think about it. Macaukey,

736
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: I like that McConkey. I mean, he's just a jitterbug.

737
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: Guys everywhere change the direction on a dit like So

738
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm saying, before you get too

739
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: locked in. Just this is a really deep group and

740
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: just envision you know what. I could see that. I

741
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: could see that key On Coleman working out. I could

742
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: see that Roman Wilson working out. Like you know, there

743
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: are other players. Some one of these receivers from the

744
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: second round is gonna have a borderline Pro Bowl season.

745
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: I promise you, I promise you it's gonna happen. They're

746
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted into the right circumstance and they're gonna

747
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: put up a thousand yards and six touchdowns. It's gonna

748
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: happen because it does every.

749
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Speaker 2: Year, guys like Roman Wilson, Franklin at Oregon. There's there's

750
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 2: a lot of different wide receivers there. Man, I'm gonna

751
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit you with a trio of Jesse Minner questions.

752
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: But first double m this this kind of fits in nicely.

753
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: I know he's being sarcastic here because Christmas, so many

754
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: draft experts on X did know how to fix the

755
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: charges that picked number five. Why are none of them

756
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: currently employed in the league. That's that's He's just play

757
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: it to what's been happening over the last few weeks

758
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: about Charger fans. And you know what, that's why I say,

759
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: let Joe Ortiz and Jim Harball do the thing right, like, Look,

760
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: they know what they're doing.

761
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: If he's speaking, look I'll say this, I know we're

762
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: having a little fun. But if he's speaking to the

763
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: people in the media, they're good at what they do.

764
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: They're really good at what they do. You know, our

765
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: our friends Dane and Jordan and obviously DJ and all

766
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: the they commit a ton of time and they watch

767
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: a ton of film, and yes it's their opinion, but

768
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: I value their opinions. I respect their opinions. They know

769
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more about it than I do.

770
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: As I said, I am coming from a different place.

771
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: I think he's referring to all the everybody who's on

772
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: xactly exactly.

773
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: And what I would say to them is what I

774
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: just said. Go watch everyone, Yeah, go watch Joe alt Stone.

775
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: Guys play after play, go watch fu Waga wreck a

776
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: defensive end and then find a linebacker and send them

777
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: into the third row. Then find a safety and send

778
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: him back to his mom. Like that guy sets a tone,

779
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: and I go watch the quick and soft and fluid

780
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: feet of Graham Barton, Like, don't let go watch brock Bauers.

781
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Brock Bauers wins games for Georgia, goes out there and

782
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: wins games. Is a tight end in the SEC? Like

783
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: this is not a three person draft. It's not you know,

784
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: it's not a one person draft. It's you can get

785
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: excited about so many of those different players that do

786
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: so many Go watch Quinya Mitchell Man, watch that dude,

787
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: Like there's there's a lot of things you can watch

788
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: beyond just Marvin Harris in eight minutes of highlights, no doubt.

789
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: All right, let's go Ryder Die Chargers. What are the

790
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: non negotiable needs that have to be addressed on Mentor's

791
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: defense to succeed. I'm going to rip off a couple more,

792
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: John Boykin, I'm concerned about the middle of the defense

793
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: front to back, but especially d line and middle linebacker.

794
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: Personal changes will continue, But is there anything about Mintor's

795
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: scheme that should make me feel better. And then finally,

796
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: what positions This is from Steven Gillard. What positions do

797
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: you believe are most important for Minster to operate his defense?

798
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: How does the current roster sit at said position? So

799
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: there's a lot there, and I'll start with the fact

800
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: that he has Tully Khalil and Joey. Now, if you

801
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: go back to Michigan when they had a Jabo and

802
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson and how they got after the quarterback with pressures.

803
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: They didn't have the caliber of defensive ends the following year,

804
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: but they were able to get a lot of pressure

805
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: with their defensive tackle. So what that shows me is

806
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: that Jesse Minter is adaptable. He could be versatile, and

807
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: he will play to the strengths of the defense. He

808
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: wants attacking intelligent players the middle linebacker position. Obviously, Denzel

809
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: Perryman's in the mix. I'm very fascinated to see what

810
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: they do with Henley Money and then building up that

811
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Speaker 2: defensive line. We'll see what he's able to do with

812
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: the guys who are currently on the roster. I listened

813
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: to some of the he had like a coach tape

814
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: or some sort of session on YouTube where he talked

815
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: about the differences in the college game versus the pro game.

816
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: So right off the bat, he knows that the NFL

817
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: is a different animal. It's a different beast, and every

818
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: personnel on offense is different in the NFL, he says,

819
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: in college, it was more about the volume of plays, like, hey,

820
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: we can throw away a play if we don't, if

821
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: we get two yards, whatever, we'll run another play. We're

822
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: running a high volume of plays, whereas the NFL, every

823
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: play matters and you're trying to be perfect on every

824
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: single play. So I think that Jesse Mitz are keenly

825
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: aware of the differences in the college game versus the

826
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: pro game. And it just seems like even looking at

827
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's defense money at Baltimore, just how they're able

828
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 2: to disguise things and make things maybe easier on the players,

829
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: but make it look more confusing to the offense. That's

830
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 2: where the talent scheme and will kind of come into play.

831
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Speaker 2: I think Jesse Minter's scheme is really going to maximize

832
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: some of these players' strengths on the Chargers defense.

833
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Chris, I don't think it's by coincidence

834
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: that Joey and Khalil are back and and Mike and

835
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: Keenan aren't. I think, you know, you need to have

836
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: that passer. You know, is he talked about you mentioned

837
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't Aiden Hutchinson, it wasn't Quinnie Pey,

838
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't David Ajabo that was there last year. You know,

839
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: those those d ns are not first round picks. So

840
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: he had to do a lot of that disguising five guys,

841
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: six guys. They don't know where the pressure is coming from.

842
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't just stunts, it was that, you know, you

843
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: got three guys flood on one side and so and

844
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: on the other side. You're just filling spots, you know,

845
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: from your linebackers, from your safeties, your nickels. You know.

846
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: So I think the one thing that he needs is

847
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: smart players. You know, you need players that are comfortable,

848
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, learning a defense that has some rules and

849
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: play calls that have some rules, and your eyes are

850
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: going to have to tell you what your assignment is.

851
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to feel things out a little bit.

852
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: You know, is that back in leak out into the

853
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: flat or is he going to stay in pass protect?

854
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: Is what's that tight end doing? That's attached. Is he

855
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: gonna leak you know, like there's because because this guy's

856
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: vacating and he's gonna be wide open for twenty yards

857
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: down the scene. Unless I know that that's what I

858
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: see and that's now where I have to go play,

859
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: It's not I don't think it's nearly as complex as

860
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: what Brandon Staley was doing, where every single play had

861
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: like five different answers to it and players said they

862
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: just got so in their own heads it was hard

863
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: for them to execute. It's not like that. I think

864
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: he's still calling the play and this is the play

865
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna execute because this is what we think is

866
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But so I think you need smart players.

867
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: I definitely think they need corners. I think you need

868
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: some corners. I have faith in a Loewi and Derwin

869
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: as the two safeties. I think maybe, you know, if J. T. Woods,

870
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to see this this strength coach, Maybe

871
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: get him, get him built up a little bit, you know,

872
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: get get him built up and see if you can

873
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: get you know, that production back that we saw at

874
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: Baylor where you had what six interceptions in a season

875
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: to lead the NC DOUAA. So certainly he's got the eyes,

876
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: just got to get built up a little bit. So

877
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: linebacker's obvious. I feel like, just because we know about

878
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: the injuries to Denzel Perriman, so I and the good

879
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: news is off ball linebackers, you can look, there's one

880
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: I got. If they can do that deal with the Cardinals,

881
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: and I'll and I'll roll the dice. And I know

882
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: it may seem crazy to roll the dice because he's

883
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: got two knees, an ankle, and two shoulders, but man,

884
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson looks an awful lot like like Luke Keikley,

885
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: and he is as as athletic, he is as smart.

886
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: He's a tackling machine. You just see some of the

887
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: reads that he has all the TFLs. I think he

888
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: had like eighteen TFLs last year. Like he's gonna be

889
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: there in the second round. So if you can do

890
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: that sort of deal that we talked about, where you say,

891
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: now you guys keep twenty seven, we'll go we'll take

892
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: one of your two's and one of your threes, since

893
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: you already got two of each, and now you're talking

894
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: about picking up that kind of linebacker. That to me

895
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: is I think that's probably the level. And also they

896
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: need some beef in the middle. I love Tito, loves

897
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: Scott Matt Locke, but I think if you can maybe

898
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: find some and some meat in that middle there. Look,

899
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: their pass rush packages are going to be incredible. When

900
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: when you're able to put Joey Bosa too, Lee Morgan,

901
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: Fox and Khalil Mack is your front four, it's going

902
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: to be incredible.

903
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 2: That's where they're That's where is gonna make his money,

904
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: no doubt. Hey, speaking of corners, a couple of quarter

905
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: questions before we get to them, though, I was I

906
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: joined the Charges Chat podcast last week. He asked me

907
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 2: a great question about what Michigan player would you want,

908
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: you know, in like let's say like the second or

909
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: third round, And I said, uh, Sander's still uh yeah,

910
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: the nickel corner. But then I was like, oh, man,

911
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: well what about Chris Jenkins? And I said, oh man,

912
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: well what about Junior Coleson. You know, like there's there's

913
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: three players on each level of that Michigan defense that

914
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: I think would be just absolutely incredible for the Chargers.

915
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: So let's let's get into this question real quick. What

916
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: quarter are we drafting in a what round money and

917
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: then hey, Chris, love to show with you a money question.

918
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: The current quarterback room is average to say the least.

919
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Who are some free agent corners that Chargers should bring in.

920
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: I don't feel optimistic if this is the room come September.

921
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: So uh, I guess corner from both the age draft.

922
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: And so so I talked about Quinnon, Mitchell and Terry

923
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: and Arnold, theyll seem like the top two. I think,

924
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, Nate Wiggins, he's got the speed and he's

925
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: got the length. He's just he's not very big, he's

926
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: not very needy. And to me, like, I think they

927
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: need corners that can tackle, you know, and that are physical.

928
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of where the Terry and

929
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: Arnold Quinyon Mitchell come in. Where if you trade you know,

930
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: and if you if you do trade back that I

931
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: think that's going to be a very a very real

932
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: conversation do we. I know, you want the O line

933
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: and you want to build that physicality up front, but

934
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: we need corners and we can get the best in

935
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 1: this in this draft. Here at eleven, he's still sitting here,

936
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: whether it's Mitchell Wiggins. I just think Wiggins is too small.

937
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's I'm looking at the measurements now, he's

938
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: listed six one one seventy three. I just don't like.

939
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: To me, I look at at Mitchell, you know, six

940
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: foot one ninety five, Terrian six foot one ninety Like,

941
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: I think that's more of what you know. Cooper to

942
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Gene six foot two oh three. Like to me, those

943
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: are the style of course. So if they let's say

944
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: they get that late for now, Now, how are you feeling?

945
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Do you want you want Marvin Harrison at five or

946
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: would you rather take the best right tackle in JC

947
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: Latham to pay, you know, a massive human being to

948
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: pair with ra Shaun Slater And then you get Cooper

949
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: to Gen at twenty seven, and now you've got a

950
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: starting corner that's big, that's physical, you know, that fits

951
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: the style that they want to play. Like to me,

952
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: you know, there's Rakestraw, there's Lassiter that are at the

953
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: top of that second round maybe. But the one thing

954
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: about corners you got to be careful of is there's

955
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: going to be a run on them, because there always is,

956
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, like you kind of get that top one

957
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: out of the way and then all of a sudden,

958
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: it's like corner corner, corner corner because they're premium positions

959
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: and typically teams at the back end are really good

960
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: teams and they know you need corners. Like the Vikings

961
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: right under Zim every year they drafted a corner in

962
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: the first or second round because they're like, yeah, this

963
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: is what we need, this is the this is the

964
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: league we play in. So Max Melton, I'm just looking

965
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: at some right now. You know you mentioned sand Verstill

966
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: there's Max Melton. Not a Rutgers is another good one

967
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: that could be a second at Lassiter has kind of

968
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: been mocked in that second round range, so they're out

969
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: there for sure. But I think the one thing I

970
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: would point out, it's gonna have to be a physical

971
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: corner that can tackle. And just think back to the

972
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: playoff game in Jacksonville. Right here comes Travis Ntien. Can

973
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: you make the tackle and win the game or you're

974
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna get run over? Here comes Josh Jacobs Week eighteen,

975
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Can you make the tackle or are you

976
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: gonna get run over? It's not just cover skills, it's

977
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: not just length, it's not just speed. Can you make

978
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: the tackle.

979
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: So that's I'm so glad you mentioned with those games,

980
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 2: because it's exactly what we're talking about on April second, Yeah,

981
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: fourth quarter week eighteen, with the chance to go to

982
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Are you gonna win the You're gonna win

983
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: the matchup or not. You're in Jacksonville with the chance

984
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: to go to kids the city for a divisional round,

985
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: a playoff game against an opponent that you have had

986
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: success against, an Arrowhead at least, it comes down to

987
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: one play and can you make the play? And those

988
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: are the types of players that they're trying to identify. Hey, listen,

989
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: I love the idea of if you trade back, get

990
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: a corner at eleven, and then at twenty seven, take

991
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: best available player. So somebody asked if if Brian Thomas,

992
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: let's say Brian Thomas from LSU was there at twenty seven,

993
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: it may be too late for him at twenty seven,

994
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: maybe too early at eleven, but you never know, you

995
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: know that that twenty seven would be really the wildcard

996
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: there as far as take just best player for your team.

997
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like that's why I mentioned the gad, you know,

998
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: like that's to me, that's the guy that kind of

999
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: fits the profile, you know, the big physical he's gonna

1000
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: block you up something good. If when you're running and

1001
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna bust you up. If you if you try

1002
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: to tackle him too high, you better get him low

1003
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: because you gonna run over you. Like, that's where that

1004
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: comes in. Yeah, I could look, the Ravens drafted a

1005
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: ton of first round with receivers, you know, they just

1006
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: they just drafted Zay Flowers for Shod Paramant. Uh shoot,

1007
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: help me out here were Shod Bateman. Like there's a

1008
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: massively Hollywood brown like they drafted. It's not like they

1009
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: don't draft receivers in the first round. They do, so

1010
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: it could totally happen. I think it's just a matter

1011
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: of what. Remember they were doing that when their fronts

1012
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: were set. You know, they already had their fronts. Their

1013
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: fronts were great, you know, because they're so good at

1014
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: filling those positions. And it's like, yeah, now's now, let's

1015
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: fill in, Victor.

1016
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: With all the focus on Minnesota moving up, do you

1017
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: guys think the charges would be willing to allow the

1018
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: Broncos or Raiders to move up if the trade compensation

1019
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: was massive? Or is it Minnesota or a bust at five?

1020
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: Very very good question, Victor. I don't know. But the

1021
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: way that coach Harbaugh speaks about JJ McCarthy leads me

1022
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: to believe that he would want JJ McCarthy in the

1023
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: AFC West. So I guess it would depend on trade

1024
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: compensation money. But I'm not sure Jim is willing to

1025
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: give an Todio piersa Sean Payton JJ McCarthy and have

1026
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: to face him twice a year based on the rave

1027
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: reviews that he's given him of alast couple of months.

1028
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: No doubt. Now for me personally, yeah, I got no problem.

1029
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I got the best quarterback

1030
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: in the league. I'm good. I got I got Justin Herbert.

1031
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna give me next year's one and

1032
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: a one and a two from this year and you

1033
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: want to jump up, and I feel like at twelve

1034
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: or thirteen, I'm gonna get a really good player. And

1035
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: this is you know, Tom Teleusco used to say all

1036
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: the time, right when we would talk to him about

1037
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: the draft, guys, remember this is not about you know,

1038
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: I'll just say it for this year. This isn't about

1039
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. This is about twenty four to twenty five, six,

1040
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty eight, that's what we're that's what

1041
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about here. So to be to some degree

1042
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: short sighted, I think it's it's like no, no, no,

1043
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: I am now gonna get an extra one. In twenty

1044
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: twenty five, I'm gonna get an extra two and twenty

1045
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: twenty Those are players that I can now put into

1046
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: my system for the next five years. I'm doing a

1047
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: three for one here. Now, you know, the cautionary tail

1048
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: is don't ever forget who traded that draft pick to

1049
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: the Chiefs that they use to select Patrick Mahomes. It's

1050
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, and it has tortured them Skins. They

1051
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: decided to make that move. So you know, I guess

1052
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: there's your cautionary tail.

1053
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: All right. This is from I think it's Hanan Dairy.

1054
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: Apologies if I got that wrong. And a stick and

1055
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: pick scenario, all right, he's giving us no choice. Now

1056
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 2: you gotta stick a pick five thirty seven, sixty nine

1057
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: one O four one ten. Uh, give me, give me

1058
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: your off the top mock draft money if you have

1059
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: to stick. I know we're going really deep here, but

1060
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: let's let's just do five thirty seven and sixty nine.

1061
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: Let's see the first three.

1062
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you if you stick at five,

1063
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: you know what would I do. I look, I'm a

1064
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: best player available guy. So yeah, so if I'm stuck

1065
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: at five, I'm taking the wide receiver. If I just

1066
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: I feel like which are taking? Well, if it's five,

1067
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm assuming all the quarterbacks are gone because you're not

1068
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: trading out, so all the quarterbacks are gone. No one

1069
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: wants to give you what you want for Marvin Harrison.

1070
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: So we're taking Marvin Harrison at five. That's, to me,

1071
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: the obvious answer. I just feel like his grade is

1072
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: probably going to be higher than anybody else, any tackle,

1073
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: any corner. You know, Harrison's going to have a not

1074
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: considerably but a large enough, you know, margin between him

1075
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: and the next player. That's who we're taking.

1076
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm always more intrigued about thirty seven, actually, like because

1077
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: the beginning, like that Friday is fascinating because there's gonna

1078
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: be guys that you thought were first rounders that are

1079
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: going to go off the board right away, and the

1080
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 2: Chargers pick at the top of that second round. Thirty seven.

1081
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if I'm taking ride receiver in the

1082
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: first she's I guess what am I doing? Let me

1083
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: just kind of I don't know if there's an old

1084
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: lignment that I would like there. I'm looking now, I

1085
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: mean because I would prefer So let's say this, like, well,

1086
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: you know what, because I believe so much in this

1087
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: coaching staff. If he were there, I would take Kingsley

1088
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: Sumtaya out of BYU. He go back and go and

1089
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: watch some of him. That is a massive human being

1090
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: that does some serious damage to defenders. So let's say

1091
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: I think he could probably be there. I think he

1092
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: very well. I don't think Rahm Barton will be there.

1093
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: In talking to some people, I feel like I can

1094
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: get the center a little bit later. I can get

1095
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: the center in the third or the fourth round. So

1096
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: I so let's do that. So let's do sumata Iya

1097
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: Suamataiya in the second, Harrison in the first, and you

1098
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: know what in the third. I'm just gonna say, what,

1099
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: what's my number? In the third? I have? I think

1100
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 1: I can get Peyton Wilson. I think I get Peyton

1101
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: Wilson in the in the third, I think I can.

1102
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: And I, like I said, I'm gonna roll the dice.

1103
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll the dice. On the medicals. It's not good,

1104
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: but at least the last two years, he's been for

1105
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: the most part healthy. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go

1106
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson in the third and cross my fingers that

1107
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: he stays healthy and that enough people were scared off

1108
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: by the medicals. And I'm a good at least seven

1109
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: eight years of high level you know, maybe not quite

1110
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 1: Luke keith Ley esque, but but some incredible linebacker play.

1111
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you

1112
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: a variation of this question. If you had to take

1113
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 2: a Michigan man at thirty seven or sixty nine, which

1114
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: one would you take?

1115
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: I have to take him at each one, or I

1116
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: get to pick which one I'm gonna take.

1117
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: Pick which one?

1118
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: Pick which one I'm gonna take it later, I'm gonna

1119
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: take it at sixty nine. And you know, I think

1120
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: sant Ruscill has probably moved himself into the second round,

1121
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: so I don't think he's gonna be there, but I

1122
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: can probably get Junior Colson at sixty nine. I think

1123
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: I can. I think that I think I could probably

1124
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 1: swing that. San Rystill's really smart, so I would consider

1125
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: that that might be, you know what, that may be

1126
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: the way i'd go yeah.

1127
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: Uh, Baldy had a Blake Korm breakdown and he said, I,

1128
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: if blake Korm is there at sixty nine, this is

1129
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: the type of run he's gonna have. These are the

1130
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: types of runs he's counter runs. And it kind of

1131
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: got me fired up. I know that that running back, Yeah,

1132
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: compared to some of the other positions that that are

1133
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: of need on this team, those take priority over the

1134
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: running back. But blake Korm would be fun. But I

1135
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: do like, I don't know where Chris Jenkins is going

1136
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: to go, Like where do you think second round?

1137
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: I think third? No, I think I think the size

1138
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: is going to shove him down a little bit. Yeah,

1139
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: I think just And that's the one issue, right is

1140
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about how the Chargers kind of need to

1141
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: get that beef, you know, in the middle, and so

1142
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: I think that's where I don't quite know if if

1143
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: they're comfortable with that, you know, especially that hot Look,

1144
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: he's an incredible player, but I think, you know, I

1145
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: think there's I'm just going I'm looking at the backs

1146
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: now because it's just hard. I'm old, I forget these things.

1147
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: But you know, I think about what Jordan he said

1148
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: to us about Braylen Allen. Uh, there's you know, Marshan Lloyd,

1149
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: who's kind of more of your catch out of the backfield,

1150
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: sort of back and and can really get people to

1151
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: but he's also a load, you know. So I think

1152
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of bad you know. We we

1153
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: know they met with Ray Davis out at uh out

1154
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: at out at the Combine, So I think there's backs

1155
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: that they're they're going to be able to find. They

1156
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: got two fourths. I would be floored, floored if one

1157
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: of them is not used on a running back. To me,

1158
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: that seems like the sweet spot round of where they're

1159
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: gonna where they're gonna maybe go shopping.

1160
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's do a couple more here and

1161
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: we can. We can punch some of these to next

1162
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: week because a lot of good ones.

1163
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: Man.

1164
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: Let's say we drafted tack on the first round. What

1165
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: happens to Pipkins? Well, Trey still has a year left

1166
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: on his deal, right.

1167
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: One year? Yeah, this year and next, I believe.

1168
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: First of all, before we go to trade, did you

1169
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: see Zion walk into the building.

1170
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: Look at that man, Jim, Jim there anymore? Man?

1171
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Jim. Meggan said this is before before Ben

1172
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: Herbert gets a hold of them. Dude, Mannyweather got a

1173
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: hold of him this spring.

1174
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said it, you know, I've said it repeatedly,

1175
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: like I believe in him. I know he had a

1176
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: rough goal last year, but I you can't help but

1177
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: not recognize just how freaking huge that guy is. Like,

1178
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: and that's just a photo. When you stand next to him,

1179
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: it's like, geez, it's like standing next to a building.

1180
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: So you know, I they're they're this, This coaching staff

1181
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: is going to get their hands on them. You know,

1182
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: Ben Herbert's going to get him and and I'm expecting

1183
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: really big things from him. I most definitely am.

1184
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked you the Trey question. Another Paul Paul

1185
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: asked about Tray too. I always thought Pipkins was a

1186
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: good run blocker but struggled in past pro with his

1187
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: cap hit would be more realistic to focus on receiver

1188
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: corner DT dependsive tackle in the first three rounds.

1189
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think Trey has really struggled with

1190
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: run blocking. You know, remember there there's quite a while

1191
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: when it felt like we could only run to the

1192
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: left side. You know, the dam was only running behind

1193
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: Slater and Filer and that was all that was working.

1194
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I think there's also the

1195
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: end of that contract. And you know how expensive offensive

1196
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: linemen are, you know, like we said, this is not

1197
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: just for twenty twenty four. You know, these these first

1198
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: round selections are you know, they're their five year contracts

1199
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: at a discount. So you know, I think it's the

1200
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: idea of now, look, this is they just they are

1201
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: just getting their hands on these guys. You know, they

1202
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: they have the film, and the film tells you one story,

1203
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: but maybe it is coaching. You know, there's a reason

1204
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: why you know, Scarnekia and Callahan and and these guys. Shoot,

1205
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: Adam what's his name? Who was Shanahan's guy? I feel

1206
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: terrible because he's arguably the greatest that that's ever done it.

1207
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: But he got our friend year dad, Alex. But Alex

1208
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: Gibbs like, like, you know, there's there's a reason why

1209
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: offensive lineman thrive in certain systems because the offensive line

1210
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: coaches are really good. Like there's an old saying in

1211
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: football that the only the only position you can't fire

1212
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: as a head coach is o line. Like you you

1213
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: can't and like you you can't talk to them. You

1214
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: can't tell them what to do, because when you have

1215
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: a good old line coach, all you want to do

1216
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: is keep them happy so they can What do you need,

1217
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: just I'll stay out of your way. You're really good

1218
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: at O line. It's hard to find good old line coaches.

1219
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: Let's make sure you're happy and keep you here forever.

1220
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: So that's the thing is is O line A lot

1221
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: of times comes down to coaching and and you know,

1222
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: so so they could change, they could feel like, hey, man,

1223
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: I like what we got here. I like you know,

1224
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: Zion and Jamari and and Trey and Rashan, you know,

1225
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: and maybe all we really need is a center because

1226
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: we got to get that pairing, because we know how

1227
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: special it was when Herbert got Linsley and how well

1228
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: they performed together. So let's just find that center, you know,

1229
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: and now we're good. We feel like we're good moving

1230
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: forward for the next seven eight years. So that may

1231
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: be the case.

1232
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: All right, one more and then we'll uh, we'll tackle

1233
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: more next week. Thunder down under our boys in Australia. Hey,

1234
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: there's still they're still open to doing a pick money

1235
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: if if if we if we have any connection they'd

1236
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: love to do a pick a happy Eastern Christ and money.

1237
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: Which NFL draft was your favorite to cover watch? And why? Uh,

1238
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 2: I'll go first. I remember the Laramie Tunzel draft. I

1239
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: thought that was just a fascinating, like reality show situation

1240
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: that was happening in real time. I also vividly remember

1241
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: Darwin James just falling down the draft board and looking

1242
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: around in uh, in the Chargers office and being like, Wow,

1243
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: it's is this gonna happen? Are they gonna get Derwin

1244
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: James at eighteen? Overall, Uh, those are just a couple.

1245
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: But every draft is amazing, man, It's it really is

1246
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: my one of my favorite days on the NFL calendar.

1247
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine is just totally selfish. It's, you know, heliocentric

1248
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: to me because I used to go to the drafts

1249
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: and we used to broadcast from the draft, so I

1250
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: did that for a number of years. And the one

1251
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: in Chicago, for whatever reason, just lined up great, not

1252
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: just because you know, that's that's where I grew up,

1253
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: but just I ended up having a really good conversation

1254
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: with with David Shaw, who was working for the NFL

1255
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: network on that one. I remember having a long conversation

1256
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: Mark Dominic who was there and we were chatting about

1257
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: the draft. We had Tom Herman and I can't remember

1258
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: what other coach was with us as well, but it

1259
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: was just one of those things where I got to

1260
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: kind of see a little bit of how the sausage

1261
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: is made and how these coaches viewed prospects, especially on

1262
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: day two and day three when they were sitting with us.

1263
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: It was really it's very educational and informative, and it

1264
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: kind of got me to see the draft through a

1265
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: little bit of a different lens and recognized that there's

1266
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: there's thirty two ways to look at each one of

1267
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: these prospects, and I think we often lose sight of that.

1268
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: You know, what is a premier player in one system

1269
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: may not have the same value in another, And it's

1270
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: always important to remember that that you are looking for

1271
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: players that you believe will excel with your coaching, with

1272
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: that player's teammates, and how they fit into this big

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01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: fifty three man puzzle. So I think that's something that

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01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: maybe people lose sight of. They just see the name

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: and that individual and it's like, okay, but let's drop

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: them in and how does this affect you know, what

1277
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: was one of the things that Harbad dropped at us.

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01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: What's good for the bee is good for the hive,

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01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: you know. Is so it's like that, that's kind of

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01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: what you have to think of, you know, what's good

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01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: for the hive? How does this particular bee fit in

1282
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 1: to the Chargers hive? And that's how all of them,

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01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: every single one of them, looked at it. Oh yeah,

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01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: I see, Okay, so we're putting him and you know what,

1285
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: maybe we'll kick him outside and then we're going to

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: put him inside. Ooh, I like the left side of

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: that line now because he's That's how they all look

1288
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: at it. It's not just the individual, it's the individual

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: in context of where they're going.

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Speaker 2: It's a great way to end the podcast because I

1291
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: think that type of insight is what you need to

1292
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: kind of have in the back of your mind on

1293
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: draft day. Is like you see the mock drafts, you

1294
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: see the experts on television, you see all the discourse

1295
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: on social media, but we truly do not know how

1296
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: teams view some of these prospects, and we won't know

1297
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: until Draft day. Like everybody laughed at the Detroit Lions

1298
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: for selecting Jamiir Gibbs as early as they did. He

1299
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: was their number one running back on their board, right,

1300
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: and you saw how excited they were in the war

1301
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: room when they selected him that early, and people are like,

1302
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: whoa hold on, I thought Jamiir Gibbs was going to

1303
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 2: be a second round pick or a lay first round pick.

1304
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: So you don't know, you don't know why somebody is

1305
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: saying this prospect is perfect for my team. My couls

1306
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: from my locker room, and I think that's probably the

1307
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: most fascinating part of the draft. You know, we are guessing,

1308
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: we are assuming, we are listening to what we hear

1309
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: in the media and what people are saying online and

1310
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: take that as gospel, when in fact, it's what all

1311
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: thirty two teams think individually, and it comes out on

1312
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 2: draft day. And that's why I think just the reality

1313
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: show aspect of it just makes it so much fun.

1314
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Speaker 1: Now I'll finish with this, Chris short and sweet. The

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01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: dumbest thing you can ever say when you know when

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01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: analyzing a draft pick is oh, they could have got

1317
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: that guy way later. It's the dumbest thing. Don't ever

1318
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: say that because you have no idea what their grade

1319
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: was on that player. And what other team's grades might

1320
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: be on that player. You just you don't know. If

1321
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: you like a player and you have a grade on

1322
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: a player, you're going to take that player. You're not

1323
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: thinking about, well, you know, we could sit and maybe

1324
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: he'll be That's not how it works. No, they grade

1325
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: these players. They love Jamir Gid. They loved them and

1326
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: that's why they took him at six because they believed

1327
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: that he fitted again into the hive. Did he or

1328
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: did he not fit perfectly? And did they or did

1329
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: they not? Go to the NFC Championship game and have

1330
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: a dominating lead at halftime, Like he just fit? So

1331
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: who cares if they took him at six or sixteen.

1332
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: It fit, it worked, and they experienced success because of it.

1333
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: So I took him way too early. You don't know that.

1334
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: You don't know where he would have been drafted.

1335
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Speaker 2: And Buddy, what Brad Holmes and company did in the

1336
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: years before that, They built their offensive line with Patsol,

1337
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 2: They built their defensive line with Aiden Hutchinson. They had

1338
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: the luxury of putting a Jumior Gibs in and then

1339
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: drafting Sam Laporte at the top of the second because

1340
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 2: they had filled out their roster. I mean, when you

1341
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: have a you have a history of picking in the

1342
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: top ten for a number of years, you're eventually gonna

1343
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: hit and build out your trenches. And that's what they

1344
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: were able to do. So just one thing to think

1345
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: about as we get out of here. For Matt, Buddy Smith,

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01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 2: Chris Hayry, this has been funny. We have a lot

1347
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: of questions. We got to get you.

1348
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: Hear the dog by the way bark and she's like,

1349
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: get done, let's go get out of here. I got

1350
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: she she wants a walk or something. She just looked

1351
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: at me, started barking and then jumped off the jumped

1352
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: right in front of me, and I was like, all right,

1353
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: I guess it's time. I guess we're done.

1354
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: What's your pup's name again, Willow Willow? Time to give

1355
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: Willow a walk?

1356
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: No, yeah, Willow Willow wants out of here.

1357
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's get it. Let's get out here

1358
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: for Buddy of Chris's bitch charged with you,