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Speaker 1: Dean Smith. When he retired from coaching the tar Heels,

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Speaker 1: moved to Wales and began a life of crime.

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Speaker 2: Get up, gamsay media charge.

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Speaker 1: All right, well this is a fun one and I'm

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Speaker 2: Okay, I do find the other questions? You do pressure

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Speaker 2: me too quickly to get to it.

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Speaker 1: I do. I have the colimber of the clock.

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Speaker 2: The sound effects come on, name all the state capitals

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Speaker 2: come on.

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Speaker 1: What's the most embarrassing way to get caught after robbing

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Speaker 2: You shit yourself now. I feel like I've shown my

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Speaker 2: personal cards. I mean, at least when I've robbed you,

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Speaker 2: don't we talk about that ones you trip and you

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Speaker 2: drop the comical animated bag of money that has a

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Speaker 2: knock sure out. Imagine there's numerous ways to be wildly embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: I have a good one for you, because that is

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is so delicious.

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Speaker 1: Allow me to share a video with you that comes

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Speaker 1: from Brazil and it's been sped up a bit and

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Speaker 2: Of course. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes, never

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Speaker 2: even thought of this. What a great idea. Kick the

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Speaker 2: screens man. This is taking too long, sped up. This

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Speaker 2: guy was not smart. Was he gonna die? Oh? My god?

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Speaker 2: He took his pants so he does not die. He

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Speaker 2: All right? But he did it well? I remember, God, lie,

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Speaker 2: Is, Okay, I do. I'm very good at geography. I'm

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Speaker 2: want you to show off. He's wearing the universal uniform

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Speaker 1: So what basically what happens? He finally he sits down

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he does all that. The glass door part

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Speaker 1: Crime List this week our latest contribution to the aspiring

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Crime Lost, a weekly celebration of the

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Speaker 2: So much help, that's right, and we're the ones to

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Speaker 2: do it. Josh Dean and Rory Skofel, you're educators for hire.

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Speaker 1: Crime one on one. So I'm going to dial up

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Speaker 1: the absurd meter from here from the man getting second right,

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Speaker 1: a revolving door is probably the most embarrassing way to

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Speaker 2: I've done one a year since then. But on the road.

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Speaker 2: It's a great way to kill time and it's fun

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Speaker 1: This is not a terrible reality show idea.

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Speaker 2: US comics don't get to be teammates very often, and

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Speaker 2: this is a perfect setting for it. I like this,

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Speaker 2: and this could be a reality show. You're right, nobody's

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Speaker 2: Don't take that idea? That's ours. Just trademarked it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that's how it works. That's a trademarks work, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it works. It's just saying it's like

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Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna have a lot of questions. Let me

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Speaker 1: So this particular escape room was in Vancouver, Washington, a

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: It's the Indiana University, Pennsylvania of Towns.

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Speaker 2: And you know, some people have booked some flights and

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Speaker 1: So here's what happened. A solo robber, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: Like, even more reason to not necessarily break into one.

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Speaker 2: So he breaks into the back door and he just

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Speaker 1: He just made himself at home. The stoard's owner told CNN.

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Speaker 1: He actually stole one beer from the refrigerator. The police

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Speaker 2: No? I gotta say a beer does sound rare, but

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Speaker 1: Anyway, So as a beer, he has a burrito. At

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if this guy knows what money

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Speaker 1: He's just like, look at all this loose I'll.

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Speaker 2: Break into this escape room that's been raking in millions.

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Speaker 2: Drags, a little inebriation. Might not have been his first

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Speaker 2: but he did so much damage to the door wall

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Speaker 2: So he has successfully locked.

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Speaker 1: Himself in an escape room, and he's apparently having immediate

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Speaker 2: I feel like there should be some leniency in that.

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Speaker 2: maybe they were like, all right, we're gonna talk to

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Speaker 2: the press, but we're not gonna charge. Yeah, this feels

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Speaker 2: like going to confession. The priest is like, hey, what

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Speaker 2: Mary's get out of here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wish we had audio of that nine

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Speaker 1: on one. Guah, I broke into an escape room and

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Speaker 1: the escape room, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no one gets out. Nope, not even a guy

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Speaker 2: No one gets out, so he.

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Speaker 1: Does not one. Then he decides one more time to

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Speaker 2: Who What a regretful evening on several levels. Yeah, he's like,

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Speaker 2: why did I call the I gave up too soon? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he gave up too soon, which I honestly a lot

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Speaker 2: of us do in escape rooms. You know, you're yelling out,

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Speaker 2: give me my first of three clues, and you're doing

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Speaker 2: it way too soon into the hour. That was him.

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Speaker 1: Have you successfully gotten out every time you fell?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Mixed results. That very first time we got out

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Speaker 2: with seconds it was epic. But I've done somewhere. We

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Speaker 2: didn't get out in time, but we got so close

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Speaker 2: we saw the path a little too late. You get

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Speaker 2: if you can't get through everything in a certain amount

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Speaker 2: of time, you're kind of screwed. You always think you're

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Speaker 2: there's ten more puzzles.

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Speaker 1: So this guy had exactly that experience.

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Speaker 2: He was like, Oh, I go wait, wait, I am

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Speaker 2: damn it.

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Speaker 1: I tried the door one more time.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, feel bad for him.

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Speaker 1: Well, it says he was charged with second agree burglary,

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Speaker 1: took it really well. Here's what he said. He said,

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Speaker 1: we just thought it was hilarious, he told Sea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And also he took a beer in a burrito,

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Speaker 2: which you're lost there fifteen dollars at.

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Speaker 1: Most if it's a really nice beer.

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Speaker 2: Well, I assume he went with a nice beer and

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Speaker 2: probably you know the markup on these ritos. That's true.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the two writers who wrote the CNN

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Speaker 1: favorite part. They reported that the thief was inside for

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Speaker 1: thirty five minutes, and that the average time it takes

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Speaker 1: paying customers to escape the escape room when it's a

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Speaker 1: and the record at that location is thirty three minutes.

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Speaker 1: But of course his time won't count. The owner said

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Speaker 1: he did call nine one one. That's not a wind

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Speaker 2: Does make me realize has anyone been in an escape

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Speaker 2: room and called nine one one just to be like,

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Speaker 2: I can't I'm in here. I'm in here. There's a

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Speaker 1: Someone who didn't totally understand the rules. They're like, no,

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Speaker 2: To you know, you can Also, you could just probably

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Speaker 2: knock on the door. Also, I bet the door's not locked.

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing about escape rooms. People are always like,

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Speaker 2: you know, no one's locked anywhere. You can just leave

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should open an escape room where the stakes

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Speaker 2: Locked in a locked and the water is slowly rising,

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Speaker 2: ruining a lot of the clues. You're gonna need to

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Speaker 2: You either get out or you call that one or

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Speaker 2: you die. You have to humble yourself to call nine

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Speaker 1: Nobody take this idea either. This is also our Humility

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Speaker 1: escape room, the Crimeless themed escape rooms. It's either jailed,

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Speaker 1: death or victory.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: For our next extremely dumb robbery attempt, we're going back

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Speaker 1: to a bank, the Simon's in Miami.

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Speaker 2: That was I fell like a little side quest.

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Speaker 1: The year is twenty ten and three pals decide to

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Speaker 1: It's Wacovia Bank, which I think is Southern Do you

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Speaker 2: I think it is Southern, Yeah, Wokovia.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's where your parents kept their riches.

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Speaker 1: So two of the guys, Oscar Montoya at the time

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Speaker 1: These dudes are expecting to get away with a huge hole,

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Speaker 1: Similar problems to our man in Brazil is like, I

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Speaker 2: This is why research is so critical, so critical.

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Speaker 1: I'm learning over the years that bank robbers are not

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Speaker 2: They're just like, it's a bank. You are learning that

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Speaker 2: there's money in there, and I need money must be accessible.

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Speaker 2: It must just be in there. How else could you

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Speaker 1: Okay, So they've broken a window in the process, though,

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Speaker 1: ror Well, yeah, right, it's all great until you've stolen

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Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, until you realize you don't lift weights.

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Speaker 1: Every day, so it's really hard to run away from

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Speaker 1: The cops respond to the break in, and they pretty

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Speaker 1: I quote police dogs tracked him down.

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Speaker 1: It's like a Bugs Bunny episode, Like he falls through

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Speaker 1: Both are charged with burglary and possession of burglary tools.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't they use the getaway car? Well, they never

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Speaker 2: He didn't wake up for the alarms, didn't even wake

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Speaker 1: confused about what's happening.

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Speaker 2: He claimed to not even know that his friends were

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Speaker 2: going to rob a bank, and he was only charged

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Speaker 2: with another charge that I'm learning about as I researched

440
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Speaker 2: the show having poor friendship choices.

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Speaker 1: Well that was one's that's a charge against his character.

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Speaker 1: The criminal charge was resisting arrest without violence, which I

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Speaker 1: guess is just refusing. How does that one?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what that is. I

445
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Speaker 2: guess pretending to be asleep. Yes, no, you're not sleeping,

446
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Speaker 2: wake up.

447
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Speaker 1: Or it's like just I'm sorry, officer, I do not

448
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Speaker 1: accept your arrest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very gentlemanly.

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Speaker 1: So two of them charged with bank robbery. One gets off, which,

451
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Speaker 1: by the way, we can't know for sure if he

452
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Speaker 1: knew the cops bought his story for whatever reason. Maybe

453
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Speaker 1: that's how drunk. Hey, they're like, no, this guy, this

454
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Speaker 1: guy had no idea. Yeah, you're also like even if

455
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Speaker 1: he is guilty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are we mad about? Here? Are we

457
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Speaker 2: worried this guy's gonna fall asleep again? Somewhere he saved

458
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Speaker 2: himself a dui. All kinds of go arguments could be

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Speaker 2: made on his path.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to say I'm guessing that was a

461
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Speaker 1: relatively minor offense and he's hopefully turned over a new

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Speaker 1: leaf and is living as a law abiding citizen of

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Speaker 1: Miami Today. After the break, we have some more truly

464
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Speaker 1: terrible thieves to talk about, So stay tuned. Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Crime Last, the weekly podcast that's beamed

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Speaker 1: by satellite into every school for thieves. Yes, because of

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Speaker 1: its importance as a learning tool. For our next story,

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Speaker 1: we go to Wales across the Pond, as we always do.

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Speaker 2: Late last year, fall of twenty twenty five, I went

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Speaker 2: and performed in Aberystwyth at a festival.

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Speaker 1: That's one of those words I would not in Cardiff

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Speaker 1: be able to say.

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Speaker 2: I only know how to say it because I've had

474
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Speaker 2: to say it so many times. But on paper you

475
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Speaker 2: would go, I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 1: My last name, Dean is Welsh, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: was told that it means valley dweller. But I'm just

478
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Speaker 1: now really thing I've never learned.

479
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Speaker 2: Ally dweller that feels offen. I don't know why that

480
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Speaker 2: feels offensive, but it feels like derogatory for some reason.

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Speaker 2: I got a couple of valley dwellers over here.

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Speaker 1: I also mentioned this because the purb in our story

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Speaker 1: is named Dean, but it's his first name. He's Dean Smith. Oh,

484
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Speaker 1: not the coach, legendary coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: After he retired from coaching the tar Heels, he moved

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Speaker 1: to Wales and took up a life of craft. Not

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Speaker 1: a lot of people know that they're gonna learn it

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Speaker 1: here for the first time. That's not true at all,

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Speaker 1: Dean Smith, if you're still alive, I don't know he is.

491
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Speaker 1: He's not, okay, so we can't defame dead people anyway.

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Speaker 1: I was worried for a minute there that I have

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Speaker 1: to just walked up. But I can. I can stand

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Speaker 1: by it. Dean Smith, when he retired from coaching the

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Speaker 1: tar Heels, moved to Wales and began a life of

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Speaker 1: crow Get up. So this Dean Smith, he's from a town,

497
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Speaker 1: and I can't believe I did this to myself. You're

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Speaker 1: the Welsh pronunciation specialist, it's triorchy rhnda sinantas.

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Speaker 2: That was me that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I said that wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what was your first clue? Welsh? By the way,

502
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: it's right next to England, but it's a wildly different language.

503
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Speaker 2: It's when you see you written out, you're like, I

504
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Speaker 2: don't know, I do not know. There's a lot of

505
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Speaker 2: languages you can kind of guess. If you don't know it,

506
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Speaker 2: you can kind of go and I think I maybe

507
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Speaker 2: kind of know what we're talking about. Welsh. They're like, no, no, no, no, no,

508
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Speaker 2: no no no no no no no no no no,

509
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Speaker 2: don't even try, don't even start. It's so different looking

510
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Speaker 2: than English, even though they like are a few hours.

511
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Speaker 2: They don't want vowels to go where we want vowels to.

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Speaker 1: Go, and a lot of continents without vowels. There's some

513
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Speaker 1: words that have very few that a lot of whys exactly.

514
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Speaker 1: We're going to offend so many Welsh people too, But

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Speaker 1: I'm not throwing stones. It's fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's beautiful. We backtracked so quickly. Oh no, no, no,

517
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Speaker 2: it's lovely.

518
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Speaker 1: Does it sound great when it's spoken to it.

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Speaker 2: Yes for our listeners, Yes, all right.

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Speaker 1: So this guy, Dean Smith, went to a branch of

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Speaker 1: Barclay's Bank back in May of twenty fourteen to change

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Speaker 1: his address. It was twenty fourteen. I guess banks made

523
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Speaker 1: you do that. I r L back then. And when

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Speaker 1: he's there talking to the teller, he sees something that

525
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Speaker 1: excites him.

526
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Speaker 2: Cash in the drawer.

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Speaker 1: That's all of us. This is experience that maybe our

528
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Speaker 1: first guy had had too. He was like, whoa cash,

529
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Speaker 1: There's some cash.

530
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Speaker 2: Is in there so much I just had just gotta

531
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Speaker 2: break into this screen and tickle the robot hands that'll

532
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Speaker 2: drop the cash into my satchel. So I guess Dean

533
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Speaker 2: can't get this sweet cash out of his mind because

534
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Speaker 2: thirty minutes later, thirty minutes rory.

535
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Speaker 1: A half hour.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes back in disguise. Can you imagine being

537
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Speaker 2: so upstanding, you're willing to change your address and follow

538
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Speaker 2: the law, but then you decided to thirty minutes later,

539
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Speaker 2: shift into a life of crime.

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Speaker 1: He just started to day with an aeron.

541
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Speaker 2: I haven't had my coffee yet, and you never know

542
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Speaker 2: what choices I'll make.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, like the kind of erin that

544
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Speaker 1: like I would put that off for so long. If

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Speaker 1: I had to go in person to the bank to

546
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Speaker 1: change my address, it would make me years to change

547
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Speaker 1: my address.

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Speaker 2: I would always be like, is this the day I

549
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Speaker 2: go to the bank to change my address? Nope, definitely

550
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Speaker 2: not happening today.

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Speaker 1: Thirty minutes later, he goes back in disguise and I

552
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Speaker 1: use that term very loosely here or just.

553
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: A finger as a mustache.

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Speaker 1: His disguise is a hoodie and sunglasses. And this is

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Speaker 1: my favorite detail. Socks over his shoes. What do you

556
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Speaker 1: think that's about.

557
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Speaker 2: Well, if he can't identify the shoes, I think it's

558
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Speaker 2: all pretty obvious. Also, it's a kind of thun to

559
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Speaker 2: slip and slide a little bit. I was thinking, like

560
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Speaker 2: to him, that was the brilliant twist, was like, oh,

561
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Speaker 2: I have seen that they sometimes find you by your

562
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Speaker 2: shoe prints. Yeah, it's like fingerprints. No gloves, by the way,

563
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Speaker 2: but socks over the shoes. Smart.

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Speaker 1: That guy in Dean Smith knows he will not be

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Speaker 1: caught because of the tread of his sneakers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So he goes to the same cashier and he

568
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Speaker 1: asks for money, demands money, brandishing a knife, which must

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Speaker 1: not have been too scary because she refuses and pushes

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Speaker 1: the panic button. So I guess it was just like

571
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Speaker 1: right away, no dude, yeah, sorry, but she's like, you

572
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: were just here changing your add son. What have you

573
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Speaker 1: done with yourself? What has happened? What has happened in

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Speaker 1: the last thirty minutes?

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Speaker 2: Now we have two addresses to try to find you at.

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Speaker 1: So he was not shouting. A police person later said

577
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: he was rushed, but not angry or agitated. He sounded desperate.

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Speaker 1: So he runs away in his socks over his shoes,

579
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Speaker 1: but it takes the police very little time to find him.

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Speaker 1: Why do yeah, why is that rory? This is a

581
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Speaker 1: real layup.

582
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Speaker 2: Is he just outside?

583
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Speaker 1: Well, no, because he just changed his address. Not only that,

584
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Speaker 1: he'd given the teller his name.

585
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Speaker 2: This whole time. About you gonna say he obviously gave

586
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Speaker 2: a fake address. Nope, Nope, he gave her his address

587
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Speaker 2: and his name Mark. So he's charged, convicted, and sentenced

588
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Speaker 2: to two point five years in jail, and his defense

589
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Speaker 2: attorney said he told the police it was stupid and

590
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Speaker 2: he was very sorry, but he was desperate for money. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which again, like what changed in the thirty minutes? I

592
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Speaker 2: don't know unless and this is I'm not sure makes

593
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Speaker 2: him any more of a master criminal. The address will

594
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Speaker 2: like a scouting mission, right, he just went in, but

595
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: then he forgot that he should use a fake address

596
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: while scouting, right, Yeah, he forgot that he's got to

597
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: apply a little fiction. He just froze when they put

598
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Speaker 2: the form in front of him. He's like, ah, I

599
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: don't know a fakeing address.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to put socks over my shoes now,

601
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: all right. Our final bonehead thief story also in the UK,

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Speaker 1: and this time we go to Bristol, England.

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Speaker 2: Have you been there? Also been there?

604
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Speaker 1: Will we ever find a town you haven't been to?

605
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: Well, Bristol is where I flew into to then get

606
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Speaker 2: on a train to Cardiff. Oh so we're talking very

607
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: close to the border on the west side of England.

608
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Speaker 1: Okay, these two stories which are completely unrelated. Are you

609
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: ran into both of these locations on the same trip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is on my tour. Yeah, from the fall

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: But you did not do Bristol.

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Speaker 2: I did not perform in Bristol. No.

614
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, so this word Bristol where you flew into

615
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: transited through and in this case, a twenty one year

616
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Speaker 1: old man breaks into a p is it pujo or pugo?

617
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: I've never known pugio. I think, okay, we'll go with that,

618
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: and I don't know, but it just seems like that's right.

619
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Speaker 1: It's a little less pougo is little pee you got,

620
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: P you got, p you got, as you would say

621
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, P you got.

622
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: I look at that pey you got.

623
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: It's a Pugo one oh six. It's in a parking lot.

624
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: And he steals the car's satellite navigation system worth about

625
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: seventy pounds, so not a lot, not a big haul

626
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: for our man. Easy enough. Well, unfortunately for our man,

627
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: his name is Aaron. There's a camera in the car

628
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: that captures the whole thing, including a nice close up

629
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: of his neck tattoo. Do you want to guess what

630
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: his neck tattoo was.

631
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Speaker 2: His name and his home address, very close, what.

632
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: It was, his last name, and his birthday? Okay, Evans

633
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: nineteen nine eighty seven. So that they do it a

634
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: little backwards, or they think we do it backwards, where

635
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 1: it's day, month, year, So he's born in September nineteenth,

636
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, Evans, and I have to say that

637
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: while this might be the most hilarious exam of the

638
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: tattoo leading to an arrest, there's a vast archive of

639
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: stories I found in which some distinctive tattoo leads to

640
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: an arrest. Oh wow, so maybe I'll bookmark that versus.

641
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I want to know some of these, And.

642
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: You should remember that the next time you get a

643
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: distinctive face or neck tattoo. Yeah, the various ways in

644
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: which it could come back to haunt you.

645
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: I bet you. Also, this person had so many tattoos

646
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: they forgot they even had that tattoo, because I could

647
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: see someone kind of glossing over that detail as they

648
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: build up the confidence to go commit a crime, because

649
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: he's just got so much ink. I think if it's

650
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: on his neck. You know, a lot of people don't

651
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: start at the neck.

652
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: I would say most don't start at the name.

653
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: I bet he was on at least his tenth tattoo

654
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Speaker 2: when he did the neck.

655
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, probably didn't expect there to be a camera

656
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: in the car.

657
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: Oh in the car especially? Yeah? Yeah, great point.

658
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: So he's arrested a few days later that his last name.

659
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they took a screen shot and they were like,

660
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: surely that's not his name.

661
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: Let's chase that down, right, and so we can mark

662
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: it off.

663
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's his girlfriend or his best friend or his son. Nope, nope.

664
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: I wonder if when they arrest them, they go, hey,

665
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: we just got to tell you the neck tattoo. We

666
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: knew immediately, Like literally, we just saw the footage this morning,

667
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: and here we are, we're already talking to you.

668
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: It's a little like the police monitoring the Hire a

669
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: Hitman website. Yeah, when they're like, yeah, surely, who would

670
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: ever actually.

671
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: Like, when you're talking to them, you're like, there's no

672
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: name for this arrest, but we call it at the station,

673
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: we call it the opposite of a cold case. We

674
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: call it a hot case. We call them hot cakes.

675
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: So one more thing I want to ask you. Did

676
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: you wonder why there's a camera in the car?

677
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: Is it an electric car? I mean, what year was this?

678
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: Oh you said twenty fourteen, right, I don't know. I

679
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: don't know why there's a camera in the car. It's

680
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: not a thing most cars have, I don't think. I

681
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: mean maybe they do, maybe I'm not paranoid enough. Well,

682
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: they electric cars now sort of do. I mean, I

683
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: know Tesla does.

684
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: Well, you'll be much happier by the actual end through this. Okay,

685
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: So that car was placed there in the lot by

686
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: cops to try and tempt thieves.

687
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: There's so many cops that you can ethically disagree with

688
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: and hate. You can really hate a lot. But there's

689
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: some you're like there. Some are just having a good time.

690
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: Good old time. They're like, why don't we Let's just

691
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: see what happens.

692
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: They're just like, hey, when you go fishing, you're not

693
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: gonna always catch anything. Let's just see. I like to

694
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: imagine this was the first one and he had the

695
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: necks out. They're like, oh, got one. I would also

696
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: like to think that the entire passenger side is a

697
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: cumbersome tripod with a VHS camcorder, Like it's so clearly,

698
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: what's that? I guess these rich people cars got crazy

699
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: things in them.

700
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Out my card on that one of these?

701
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't drive a rich people car, so

702
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: who knows.

703
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm mad to that they put it there.

704
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 1: I like, he's the first guy. They're like, how long

705
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: will it take us to catch this one?

706
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

707
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that? On his neck? Is that a name

708
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: and a date?

709
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: Wow? Look at that, Poor Aaron.

710
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: He never had a chance. And I believe we've learned

711
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: so many lessons here, starting with I think neck tattoos

712
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: are just a bad idea general. That's right, even if

713
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: it's not your name. Thus concludes this week's Adventures and

714
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: idiot criminals who rob banks in the most embarrassing ways.

715
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: I love that. That makes me feel so smart in general.

716
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: This episode actually really raised my self esteem.

717
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: When we started the whole series with the Higher Hitman website,

718
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: I should have known that people's stupidity will.

719
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: Never cease to amaze you. Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah,

720
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: and surprise you. All Right, let's all ponder that while

721
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: we uh powder our noses and prepare for this week's

722
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: final segment. Lane's game.

723
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: Dun Dun, Dunn Spooky.

724
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: That was the Halloween themed planes games.

725
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: This is crimeless, Hello, crimelost Nation. It's that time of

726
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: the show when we subject ourselves to ridicule by mostly

727
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: failing at.

728
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: Oh oh that was my cue, A failure before a

729
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: failure Wane game.

730
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Wow, you really overcompensated for missing your cue.

731
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: I think hearing that introduction in my head I was like, Oh,

732
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, Josh and I can be

733
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: just as dumb as the scrules, and Lane sort of

734
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: proves that every week.

735
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: Wow, it's kind of beautiful.

736
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what I was kind of pondering as

737
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: you were leading me.

738
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: In some beautiful symmetry.

739
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: I'll be surprised if next time we just have Lane

740
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: do lanes games?

741
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

742
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know if I'm capable. I don't think

743
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: my voice can go that low.

744
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: You can do it, believe in yourself.

745
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: Thank you.

746
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: What do we have? Lane?

747
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: What are we playing?

748
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: I'm calling this game? What a steal? It's a prices

749
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: Right inspired game. I'm going to give you an item

750
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 3: that is commonly stolen, and you have to tell me

751
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: the value of that item, and the person closest to

752
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: without going over wins the point.

753
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Love it? Okay?

754
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: It is just things locked behind glass at CBS.

755
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: Things it probably would get stolen. I mean, if that

756
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: was the case, I'd be like, do you order it?

757
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: Josh? That's such a specific question. It's almost just like

758
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: you tried to prepare for this game.

759
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why I asked that.

760
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

761
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Yeah, so first one twenty twenty six

762
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: Ford f one fifty twenty.

763
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: Twenty six for right now fifty oh that's electric or regular.

764
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: This is just the standard one, the lowest price on

765
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: Ford dot com.

766
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: We're going MSRP so without the bells and whistles.

767
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: Not the bells and whistles.

768
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go seventy thousand dollars. Well,

769
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: you just take turns going first.

770
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: Whoa seventy thousand?

771
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: That's I think a for f one fifty is up there,

772
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 2: But I could be this could be embarrassing. I mean

773
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 2: maybe it's more like fifty nine thousand. I don't know.

774
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say forty nine thousand.

775
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go fifty nine thousand. Okay, I'm gonna.

776
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: Be over Josh, got are We are? We playing my

777
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: prices right rules in that if both of you are over,

778
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: no one gets the point.

779
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: I think we should just go who's closest end of

780
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: the day because we're going to have some bad ones here.

781
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Josh's closest, it's thirty nine thirty dollars.

782
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: I might buy. I guess you did say no bells and.

783
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the standard, because you could really get

784
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: up there.

785
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: You can pimp it out and.

786
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: As like the manual. Like the crank windows.

787
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, yeah, classic, these are crank windows from

788
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: eighty five?

789
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Can you still buy a vehicle with crank windows? Later?

790
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: Did you remember a vehicles? You can buy a used

791
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: vehicle with crank windows?

792
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember the crank. Who fond of the crank?

793
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: The crank?

794
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: We're all fond of the crank, all right?

795
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: Next one Cardier Love unlimited bracelet, flexible white gold.

796
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 2: White gold Cardier.

797
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: This is one of the most commonly stolen things.

798
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: No, it's not commonly. I just I'm just thinking about

799
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: expensive things that would get stolen.

800
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: Cardia gold. I'm gonna say twelve hundred dollars, okay, Rory,

801
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go two thousand dollars.

802
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: Rory is closer. It's nine thousand, four hundred dollars.

803
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: I had a feeling I was gonna win that one

804
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: because twelve hundred is very low.

805
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: I got gold.

806
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: You don't buy Cardier for your for your special lady.

807
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: You don't buy gold. How do you survive? How do

808
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: you buy groceries?

809
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: Rory has put all of his money into gold.

810
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: I've only gone gold. I'm always gold, go go goat,

811
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: go go gold.

812
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: All right, Next up, we got a Louis Vaton then

813
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: never full mm this is a handbag.

814
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: Oh, bags are always surprisingly expensive. I'm gonna say four

815
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: thousand dollars.

816
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: Okay, it was my attorney, go first, but yeah, right

817
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: like that, you showed your card. Sorry sorry, I'm going

818
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: to go eight thousand dollars.

819
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: Okay, well, josh Is, you're both over. But josh Is

820
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: closer it's two thousand, one hundred and seventy bucks.

821
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't really know what anything Louis Vaton costs.

822
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: I also like wildly overestimate of the bag, wildly under

823
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: a made of the gold.

824
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you did, all right, two more.

825
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Rorygo first. This time I jug a gun.

826
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: Prada symbol, a sunglasses, Prada symbol sunglasses. I don't know

827
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: how to say this. I don't buy fancy sunglasses.

828
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go fifteen hundred dollars, Prada, nine hundred dollars.

829
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 3: Josha Closer is five hundred and twenty five bucks.

830
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm dominating this game.

831
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: What Why do I live in a world where I

832
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: think everything is so expensive? I mean it is, though, right,

833
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not saying five hundred dollars is not expensive,

834
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: but I'm clearly misinterpreting how expensive these things are.

835
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: I guess it says you buy realistically, you buy things

836
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: at Costco. I don't know.

837
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: You like a good deal, I think, so I get

838
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: my Prada at Costco.

839
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: All right, this is the last one. It's the Magna

840
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: flow ohem Greade Federal EPA compliant Universal Cataltic converter. Did

841
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: I say that?

842
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: Right? All right? This is such a curveball.

843
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: I mean I only say this because I got my

844
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: converter stolen.

845
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: I know it's a common thing.

846
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: It's pretty common.

847
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: That's a big thing on the Toyota priuses.

848
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I have no idea. I've never had mine

849
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: stolen because obviously I take my lot of security more

850
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: seriously than you do.

851
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: Because you lock yours down.

852
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: I put I put one of those clubs.

853
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: Because you put you do the steering wheel. I put

854
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: it on the converter. Smarts Oddly, it works on the

855
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: steering wheel. They don't steal the converter. Know why that is?

856
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, Oh, I feel like people steal them.

857
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: It must be quite valuable. Two thousand dollars.

858
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go twenty one hundred dollars. I'm gonna go

859
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: two thousand one dollars.

860
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm just factoring in the just like what

861
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: it's listed for on AutoZone dot com and that is

862
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety four dollars.

863
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: And what is wrong with us?

864
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: What the hell?

865
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: But I guess you could factor in insurance and cost.

866
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: Why people who are stealing these things?

867
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: I know, for a hundred bucks?

868
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: Is that worth it? I mean maybe maybe it's not

869
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: hard to get ye, I guess maybe it's a quick

870
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, and you go through a neighborhood and

871
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: you run, you know, five or six of them and

872
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: it's a volume plug.

873
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you could get one for ninety bucks,

874
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: you can get one for two hundred some like it's

875
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: who knows? Who knows?

876
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: Josh destroyed me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh one price is right.

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Speaker 1: Despite having no actual knowledge of any of those things.

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Speaker 2: That's well, Josh actually makes it harder for me, exceptually

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Speaker 2: a defeat, knowing that I lost to someone who knew

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Speaker 2: maybe even less than night.

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Speaker 1: You just walk around thinking everything's more expensive than it.

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Speaker 3: Really, you're denying yourself the luxury.

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Speaker 2: Think a man who ate Ooni pasta was like the

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Speaker 2: like a luxury of pasta.

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Speaker 3: How much is it a plate of Ooti pasta?

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's like thirty some bucks, three thousand dollars?

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Speaker 1: Oh, because I get it.

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Speaker 2: Rory reads, he doesn't see the point if he's if

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Speaker 2: it's thirty dollars, he thinks it's three things. Waits extra zero.

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Speaker 3: So going back, Rory actually won with base on his disability.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what is that disability called? I'm much for?

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Speaker 2: I see too many zeros, I see dead zero zero.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you next week.

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