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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast, My gol Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of Around the NFL. I am Dan Hansas. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by a virtual room filled with some heroes. Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, and I don't want to step all over

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Speaker 1: this boys, because we're about to hit it when we

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Speaker 1: get to news. Obviously, Kyler Murray got a big pay day.

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Speaker 1: How do we protect ourselves in the future. We're always

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Speaker 1: striving to get better as a podcast, right, we spent

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Speaker 1: so much time on Kyler Murray flotsam and jetsam, and

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Speaker 1: in the end it played out exactly as you would

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Speaker 1: have expected if you were taken out of the bubble

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Speaker 1: of the NFL world. Since you know that playoff game

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Speaker 1: in January, how do we avoid getting sucked into the

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Speaker 1: bus next time when all the other podcasts and networks

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Speaker 1: are going mad where we just nail it and say

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about this because this guy will do

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Speaker 1: this right before training camp? How do we protect ourselves?

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Speaker 1: You know? My one note that I wrote down here

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Speaker 1: and highlighted you know I like to do do that was

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Speaker 1: just we went through so much to get here. Um.

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Speaker 1: I will say this though, like compared to the Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers drama from the previous offseason. I found the Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray UM drama a little a little more delightful at terms,

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Speaker 1: because it seems so botched, like the initial I mean,

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Speaker 1: in the end, though Kyler Murray got what he wanted,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he put out he put out the Age

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Speaker 1: of the Agent's Note, which was this Russian novel that

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Speaker 1: seemed to only land like a like with a big

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Speaker 1: questioning if he was gonna even be with the team

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Speaker 1: come the summer. Now it's like absolutely worked for Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: So this this was um. I do think though the

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Speaker 1: only other option Dan would be if we just went

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Speaker 1: um froze ourselves in carbonite for like two months, because

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Speaker 1: it's impossible not to talk about, right. I've like gone

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Speaker 1: through a whole process even since you asked the question,

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Speaker 1: like trying to come up with what you can do,

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Speaker 1: and I've landed on just acceptance that like if we're here,

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Speaker 1: we're here, we work for the NFL. We're taking that

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Speaker 1: paycheck all year long, not just during the season, not

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Speaker 1: just really from now through February is when it's truly

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Speaker 1: interesting other than free agency in the draft and if

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna be shown up and collecting that paycheck

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Speaker 1: and work, and we just gotta we just have to

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Speaker 1: accept that it's gonna it's gonna suck when when I suck,

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Speaker 1: but just be a little meaningless, a little bit high.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think we're just in the grind.

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Speaker 1: We're I believe this podcast is in its prime years,

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Speaker 1: and there will be a time when we're in our fifties,

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Speaker 1: maybe early sixties, if we're still doing this, God willing

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Speaker 1: that you know, we'll just disappear for the entire spring

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Speaker 1: and summer, and you know, the quality of the show

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Speaker 1: will not be nearly as good, and we'll just because

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Speaker 1: of that, miss all of this. And then yeah, in

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Speaker 1: that sense, we will then will come back like the

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Speaker 1: week of training camp, be like, oh, Kyler Murray signed

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Speaker 1: that deal, just like we thought. You know where, I

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Speaker 1: think we're doing a better job of it already, we

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Speaker 1: just don't notice because it's gradual. We first of all,

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Speaker 1: we bring up that issue when we talk about Kyler

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Speaker 1: know we're just spinning our wheels. And I do think

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Speaker 1: we've done a better job in the off seasons, not

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Speaker 1: emphasis on the O T A s in the mini camps.

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Speaker 1: So suddenly our listeners by the getting a better product

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Speaker 1: because of our experience and expertise. I think we were

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Speaker 1: fairly suspicious at each at each EBB and flow of

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Speaker 1: just gonna end with money being paid to him. Money

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Speaker 1: solves nine point eight percent of all of these issues.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I just I just be like, just

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Speaker 1: get the contract into their hands sooner. That's a good

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Speaker 1: point you made, Mark, Yeah, that's great. That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Mark the key for quietly you missed that one. Dan

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Speaker 1: just was like Mark's biggest fan market. That had to

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have you know. Tony Crocy, another Beat reporter,

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Speaker 1: your your mouth. That's a good point you made. Mark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: think it's time for you to fly. Because when you're

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Speaker 1: when you're nailing that many takes at that level, you're

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Speaker 1: you're carrying dead weight. You mean, just like a four

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Speaker 1: hour radio show of my own drive time type scenario, right,

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Speaker 1: like you follow Petris and Money on kale O, Sir,

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Speaker 1: listenership just dives off the they're not klos. That's a

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Speaker 1: shame on me. What where Petros and Money? Where could

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Speaker 1: they be heard? A m five seventy in Los Angeles? Uh?

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Speaker 1: I am not a true West Coast All right, let's

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Speaker 1: do some news. Got to throw Murray in trouble, spins

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Speaker 1: out of there to his left, being chased by two vikings,

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Speaker 1: forties Rundal Moore cock at the thirties at the twenty

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Speaker 1: At the fifteen ten five touchdown, Tyler Murray, you are

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Speaker 1: ridiculous Murray magic seventies seven yard touchs down pass. Nine

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Speaker 1: point nine percent of the quarterbacks on the planet gets sacked,

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Speaker 1: but not only does Kyro Murray not get sacked, he

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Speaker 1: throws a touchsdown Ah Dave passed Katie A r. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're inside fifty days until the season begins. Ends, and

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite things is the Sunday night calls

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Speaker 1: enough to keep him in the Superstar club. But maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe Now with a new deal in hand with the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, his career resumes its upward trajectory. The Cards

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Speaker 1: and Murray agreed to terms on a five year extension

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Speaker 1: with Murray. Rap Sheet and Tom Pellisero reported Thursday. The

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Speaker 1: a half million, with a hundred and sixty million and guarantees.

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Speaker 1: He's now set to earn thirty million in the first

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Speaker 1: according to Pellest Sarah, and that extension makes Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: We we're talking about this, you know, rookie class and

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Speaker 1: But this contract to me, mark like it's through. It

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Speaker 1: I think there's a question whether Cliff Kingsbury and Steve

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Speaker 1: I do think there could be a change and that

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Speaker 1: this contract helps to say to me, Kyler Murray is

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Speaker 1: and I think it's so hard to identify and find

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback I agree with this move. I agree

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Speaker 1: But let's just hope this plays out. It's not like

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Speaker 1: half ago from you know, anyone's filing a complaint. I

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Speaker 1: just I could care less absolutely speaking of that before

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Speaker 1: we take a break and get to Rhodo Pat somebody

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Uh, you weren't with us on Mark, but

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Speaker 1: but we talked with Erica, owner of huck A Poo's,

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Speaker 1: um about this BS sound ordinance that's been put into

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Speaker 1: place to specifically target the Great Tybee Island. Hang huck

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Speaker 1: A Poo's uh, no live music, no music of any

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Speaker 1: kind after eleven PM. And um, I called the figure

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Speaker 1: that's behind this because apparently it's one person that logged

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Speaker 1: a complain and that was enough for the city council

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Speaker 1: to pull their BS and we're fighting it and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna keep fighting it. Um I called the shadowy figure

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Speaker 1: that's behind this um or perhaps it was members of

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Speaker 1: the city council. I can't remember this point, but I

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Speaker 1: called them human gutter balls, okay, And someone on Twitter

445
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Speaker 1: came after me and said, hey, boz oh, that's mean

446
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: to speak disparaging lee of a person like that. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think Chris would have been

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Speaker 1: that way either said anything like that either, to which

449
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Speaker 1: I say, did you listen to the show with Chris Wesley.

450
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Speaker 1: Chris would have said so much worse than what I said.

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Speaker 1: He would have completely gone off on this topic. I

452
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Speaker 1: think people have to remember that when Chris Wesley was

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Speaker 1: a Roto World writer way back in the day, it

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Speaker 1: was not unusual for him to be logging his updates

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Speaker 1: and reports from Hucka Poos. He spent all his time there.

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Speaker 1: It was his home, and he spent most of his

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Speaker 1: early days in Los Angeles trying to find a place

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Speaker 1: that reflected Hucka Poos and it was not easy to find,

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Speaker 1: and so died. The idea that he would have been

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Speaker 1: passive about this is completely incorrect. Um, and I Mark,

461
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Speaker 1: by the way, Greg did not come back, and I

462
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Speaker 1: just see now he he just sent a text to

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Speaker 1: Lakisha and our group thread just now, so I guess

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Speaker 1: he just he's out. He's out for the so we'll

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Speaker 1: try to get him back. During the break for the

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Speaker 1: conversation with Pat, I could see his his hand gestures

467
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Speaker 1: because we could see him, you know, visually on the screen,

468
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Speaker 1: and he was very flustered and frustrated. And um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the office WiFi, UM took a big l here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now that that is that's the issue. But all right,

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Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. Let's take a break

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Speaker 1: and then talk best and worst GMS. Welcome back, joining

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Speaker 1: us now, NFL writer for NBC Sports, a staple of

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy Extravaganza, speaking of which will be celebrating the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Extravaganza next month. But right now to talk about

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Speaker 1: his latest column, A True Anger NFL's General Manager Rankings

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Speaker 1: two is Rhodo Pat Not today, He's Patrick Dahardy. What up? Patrick?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the around the NFL. It's very very

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Speaker 1: glad to be here, just here to talk about some

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Speaker 1: of your coworkers. So um yea too soon, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, is this a good or bad time to

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Speaker 1: publish this article? By the way, I can't ever decide,

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Speaker 1: like what it's a good time to publish anything. Here's

484
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Speaker 1: a here's a great here's a great. Kind of way

485
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Speaker 1: to get into that is that Greg a few months

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Speaker 1: ago did his own GM rankings, and that I expressed

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Speaker 1: disappointment with Greg, not as a person but from a

488
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Speaker 1: podcast sense that he didn't mouthpiece and say, hey, we

489
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Speaker 1: should do a segment on your GM rankings. So we

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Speaker 1: kind of missed the boat. On its then the draft came.

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Speaker 1: But Greg, who's been doing this for quite a while,

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Speaker 1: as you know, as you know Pat, he does it

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Speaker 1: in the spring. So Greg, I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: wanna give Pat a heads up that maybe that's the

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Speaker 1: better time or maybe has it right. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: let's dig in. I used to do it in the spring,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and I knew that Greg did it.

498
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Speaker 1: And this is not a joke. Actually, when I was

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Speaker 1: done with the article, for one of the first things

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Speaker 1: that was pull up Greg's articles, I really hope we

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Speaker 1: weren't like wildly divergence of it was a little divergence.

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Speaker 1: And actually I thought that Greg was like annoyed um

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Speaker 1: and just not speaking right now. But it looks like

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Speaker 1: his his screen's frozen right now, so he appears to

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Speaker 1: have been frozen or he's really mad. He's very good

506
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Speaker 1: at speaking still, so I think he act. But Pat,

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Speaker 1: this is a something we definitely as soon as I

508
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: saw it and I was reading, I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you put in the work on this breakdown. This would

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Speaker 1: be a fun conversation to have, is you know. And

511
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: we just did the news and there's a lot cooking

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Speaker 1: now out of nowhere in the news, and now training

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00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: camps are about to really take off. So this is

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Speaker 1: our last chance to really have fun with an article

515
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Speaker 1: like this. I feel like before two season gets off

516
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Speaker 1: and rolling like a freight train. So let's talk about it. Marksler, you,

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Speaker 1: I know, buddy, read Pat's work here. Um at all

518
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Speaker 1: nineteen thousand words. I really appreciate that, which depressive. What

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Speaker 1: was your general takeaways from what Rhoda Pad had to

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Speaker 1: say in the state of the general manager job right

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Speaker 1: now in the NFL. UM, I thought he made some

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Speaker 1: a couple of bold choices. I like him going less

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Speaker 1: sneaed and Sean McVeigh um right out of the gate

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Speaker 1: at number one. Um I I do wonder because you

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Speaker 1: get to Bill Belichick at number two. I imagined that

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Speaker 1: the reader response, that's where you get some people coming

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Speaker 1: at you, UM with for the sense that you know

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is is an excellent coach. But I think

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Speaker 1: sometimes people if you Bill Belichick the general manager has

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Speaker 1: having had some misses along the way. UM I just

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Speaker 1: I would say generally overall, your writing is really wonderfulness.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of found one or two lines for

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Speaker 1: each one of these gms that just stood out and

534
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: made me laugh because I can we can always tell

535
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: when you're when you've been writing blurbs on Rhodo World.

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00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: It's just like there's a little there's a little extra

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Speaker 1: spice to things that you say. And I thought this

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00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: this this article was was dotted and really like imbued

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Speaker 1: with them throughout us. It was a really nice piece

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00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: of writing. It was I totally agree. Let's start then

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Speaker 1: kind of let's focus on the Belichick side of things,

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Speaker 1: because I think what you said, Pat is interesting here.

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Speaker 1: You wrote in the piece that you cannot separate Bill

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Speaker 1: the coach from Bill the team builder. They are one

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Speaker 1: and the same. Why do you say that? What does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Yeah, so this is kind of the argument

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Speaker 1: I advanced every year with Belichick, and kind of the

548
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: argument have to lean on as they get a little

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Speaker 1: further from like the glory years. Like listen, I know,

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Speaker 1: like it seems like Bill the coach is still doing

551
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: a great job and the roster isn't that great. But uh,

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Speaker 1: what what what I mean by that is like we

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00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: might not always understand the Patriots rosters, say, like of

554
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: the time, we don't understand the Patriots roster, but Bill

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00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: Belichick the greatest coach in league history, understands the kind

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Speaker 1: of players he needs and wants and like, and this

557
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: roster is much maligned as like the past five or

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00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: six drafts have been. It's kind of like, you know, now,

559
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: this's like increasing desperation, like dipping into the free agent

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00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 1: market for kind of very on Belichick like signings. You're like,

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00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: five years ago if you had heard Bill Belichick could

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00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: shout out big bucks for Nelson Agle, or you'd be like,

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00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: what the heck? Like has Bill Belichick been incepted? Has

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00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: even Jordan's appeals note, Um, I have no idea what

565
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: the movies even about, but I think you maybe nailed it.

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Speaker 1: I think you maybe, and I think it ties into

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Speaker 1: what you're saying that. On Tuesday's episode of Around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: we talked about making the leap candidates a piece that

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Speaker 1: Gregg was working on, and he was pleasantly surprised as

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Speaker 1: a Patriots fan that there were several choices there. And

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00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: that speaks to you you do have a stable yeah,

572
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: and like as so as as questionable as so many

573
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: of the decisions have looked the past two years. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, he lost the greatest player in league history,

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Speaker 1: then went seven and nine. Maybe that's damning with faint

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00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: praise to say that's an accomplishment, but I thought it

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Speaker 1: was kind of an accomplishment, you know, essentially not at

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00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback in and still goes seven and nine, and

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Speaker 1: then they just made the playoffs with a rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like normally that's like celebrated and team

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Speaker 1: building circles, Like it's not very easy to do, and

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Speaker 1: like it's one fact that I guess maybe I could

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Speaker 1: be accused of like leaning on too heavily. But it's like,

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00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: so I'm prone to giving Bill Belichick the benefit of

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00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: doubt for obvious reasons, and maybe I don't understand every

586
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: decision on a micro level, but macro level find himself

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00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: fifty three players who got into the playoffs with a

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. So I'm like, maybe I'm still gonna give

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Speaker 1: the guy a little benefit of the doubt, you know,

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Speaker 1: a bit of a legacy ranking, of course, but sure,

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Speaker 1: here here's the top five, just so we have it.

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00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: So yes, Ned McVeigh with and notice, even though it's

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Speaker 1: GM rankings, as you point out in this piece, it's

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Speaker 1: not really it's not just the GM anymore in the league.

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00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: More and more it is a collaborative effort. And the

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Speaker 1: guys on the sideline, the head coaches have a big say.

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00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: Uh in roster building in a lot of cases, in

598
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Speaker 1: addition to other people within a building, personnel, guys, the

599
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: owner himself all that stuff, but you have less need

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Speaker 1: and Sean McVeigh at one, Bill Bell check it to

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Speaker 1: Greg who joins us, by the way, is back with us.

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00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: We'll see where he's at in a minute. Brandon Bean

603
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: of the Bills at three, Andy Reid and Brett Veach

604
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: are the chiefs at four, and then John Lynch and

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. I get more pushback my number five, by

606
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: the way, Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. But people, there's so

607
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: much isn't so much talking? Yeah, go ahead, give him

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00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: some pushback there, Greggy real quick to Dan too this

609
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: you're right. I wanted to call like front office rankings

610
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Speaker 1: because I feel like it's less clear than ever, like

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Speaker 1: who is It's no, that's what I was told, and

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00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: uh like who was like driving? Yeah, Like it's a

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00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: very powerful force. Again, the combination coach like personnel picker

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00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: to the point where even like Matt rule, you know,

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00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: has like sweeping personnel powers. So it is is another

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00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: era very powerful coaches right now in the NFL, Greg,

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00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: where are you now? You're in a different room than

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Speaker 1: when you froze in our students, I am now and

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Speaker 1: shutdown corner that one that's like on the corner, like

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00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: a conference room that everyone walks by, and you would

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00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: think that there'd be strong internet in in our studio.

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Speaker 1: But that seems like a bad place to record a podcast.

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Speaker 1: So are you cool just circling back? Um? Are you

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00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: cool with the timing of Rhoto pats GM rankings because

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00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: yours came out back in the spring, the dead of summer.

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00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: Where you're you're trying to create some sort of friction

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00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: between me and my former coworker Pat here. It was

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00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: success when you did it with Kevin Silva last year,

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Speaker 1: but it's not going to be successful this time. No,

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00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: Look are I think it was our editors. You know,

631
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: we decided to do it before the draft a long

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Speaker 1: long time ago, and I think both times there are

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00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: a fine time to do it. If anything, I think

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00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: Pat's smarter than than we are here at the NFL.

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00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: If you're gonna drop something, drop it in that two

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00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: week period before training camp starts. That's when you get

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00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: the most amount of attention because no one's doing anything.

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00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: That's why our friend Zach Keith, it was so smart

639
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: to drop that luck pod right then. It was like

640
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: the biggest story in the NFL for a week. So, um,

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00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Pat's smarter than us mastering the dead zone not like

642
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: six different months. And I finally settled on like July.

643
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: So but why with that said, why Greg did Pat

644
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: botch number five, John Lynch Kyle Shanahan in the Niners?

645
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Although Belichick at two? I mean, I love Belichick as

646
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: you had him attendre I was literally the first thing

647
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: I love when I finished the article, so I didn't

648
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: want to read the article, so I wasn't didn't have

649
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: you in my head, like in my mind's eye, like

650
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: while I'm writing the article. After I immediately tricked and

651
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: you had Belichick at I was like, I got a

652
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: lot of grief of like Belichick was too high at ten,

653
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: uh polarized reaction. I was looking at more recently and

654
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: he had a good year last year. He I think

655
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: he did well in free agency and great in the draft.

656
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: Best draft they've had forever. But they've been terrible drafting

657
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: for a while now, did John Does John Lynch and

658
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan get a little too much credit here, especially

659
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: Lynch here, Like I still it still bothers me. I

660
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: guess that they you know, passed on Patrick Mahomes, you know,

661
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: for Solomon Thomas, and that they're still waiting for a

662
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: quarterback all these years later. They could have taken a

663
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: quarterback the next year after that too, uh, and it

664
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: kind of made the wrong decisions with Jimmy g or

665
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: a long way. There's some premier talent there, uh that

666
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: they got at the top of the draft certainly, and

667
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: they've they've done a good job drafting, But I feel

668
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: like that's a little too rich for me. Yeah. I

669
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: feel like by and large they get like the big

670
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: decisions right with the notable a couple of notable exceptions

671
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: in there, and pretty good like finding like Shanny type

672
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: players down the board. I mean one of the Shanty's

673
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: like biggest foible is like these aggressive trade ups for

674
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: guys like he has to have with then he immediately

675
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: like disregards like Dante Pettis or Tray certainly, like it

676
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: makes like aggressive trade ups and Trey Lamps will definitely

677
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: be the biggest test like of of like did Shanny

678
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: like it was just like a cry of like shanty passion. Basically,

679
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: we're like the one month he had to have Trey

680
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: Lance happened to be like April like before and after

681
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: that he's been cool on him, and well, don't you

682
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: think he's gonna like subtly blame John Lynch. That feels

683
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: like that's the reason if they this year that they

684
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: have a divorce, that Lynch gets the ax because he's

685
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: the Lance guy, and that Kyle wanted mac Jones all along, right,

686
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: because I mean, Shanahan has been about his bulletproof a

687
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: coach and he deserves that. They've been to, you know,

688
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: two NFC title games in a Super Bowl over the

689
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: last three years. But if the Tray Lance thing goes south,

690
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: there will be a fall guy and it won't be Shanahan.

691
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: It is it's the It's kind of a good seg idea,

692
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna burn it right now, unfortunately, But like

693
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: what is if you had to pick one, like what's

694
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: the juiciest subplot of the season, I think Trey Lance

695
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: and what happens this year tied to that team with

696
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: that coach and where they are in the NFC is

697
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: such a huge story line because you know they are

698
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: if Trey Lance is who they thought he could be

699
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: or approximation of that this season there to me the

700
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: NFC favorite. And if he bombs out and you trade

701
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy g and that's certainly in play right now. Uh,

702
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: this whole thing could go up in flames. So it's

703
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: just a huge subplot. And I'm like, here's another. Brian

704
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: Gooda cuts is another. I want to see where Shanny

705
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: and Shanahan come down on this same ranking next year.

706
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: Maybe one of those guys won't be even in the

707
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: ranking next year. But Brian Gooda counts. I don't think

708
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: he's coached gm NG for his job this year by

709
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: any stretch, but it's fair to say that he kind

710
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: of is in a situation now where the Davante Adams

711
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: situation played out the way it did and you could

712
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: say it wasn't even his fault. I think you used

713
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: the wording in your peace Path that he forced his

714
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: way to the Raiders, and he kind of did. But maybe, if, if,

715
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: if he could have done it again differently, good counts,

716
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: maybe he handles that situation, and maybe the best water

717
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: receiver in the league is still in the team. You

718
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: have these other project player is like Lizard Watkins Watson

719
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: all in the mix. Where would the Packers fall on

720
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: this exercise, especially if this doesn't work out this year,

721
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: It's very interesting to find out MHM it is And

722
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: it's real quick to put a bow in the forty niner.

723
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: So it's like the way I viewed it, like this,

724
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: They've made a fifty three men roster that was good

725
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: enough to make the NFC Championship Game twice in three

726
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: years with Jimmy Garoppolo. Like that's a good roster, like

727
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: their stockpiled talent on defense, identified Shanny type playmakers and offense.

728
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: But then yeah, like kind of like a heat check

729
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: making a luxury pick, like right in the middle of

730
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: your Super Bowl window. It is gonna be like an

731
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: era defining decision for them, the Packers and Brian Guda Kunts.

732
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: It's like he's gone from Aaron Rodgers being out of

733
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: a long term plans too. Now Aaron Rodgers is the

734
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: only plan and like you know, his most visible mistake,

735
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: of course, was not re restocking the receiver corps but

736
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: it was fine as long as they had the best

737
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: receiver on the planet. But then the best receiver on

738
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: the planet happened to be soul mates with Derek Carr

739
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: and like that's just the Brakes is the GM apparently,

740
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: And now I knew that love story was hiding in

741
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: plain sight this entile time. It was in plain sight,

742
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Where Well, I mean I found that that

743
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: interview from last summer John too Ams, Like yeah, like

744
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: it's like I'm still a Raiders fan, Like that's a

745
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: little interesting, like saying it's his college quarterback is on

746
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: the team, and I just like didn't pay any attention

747
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: to it though, just like memory hold it And yeah,

748
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: the Goudakunts Highwire act really dependent on Davonte Adams And

749
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: now we're going to see if there was any safety

750
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: net whatsoever. I had a question for you. I mean,

751
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at when you get past this sort of

752
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: top five region, someone like John Robinson at number nine,

753
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: I think is um mildly controversial because I feel like

754
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel has done a lot to um make John Robinson,

755
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: to erase some of John Robinson's mistakes along the way.

756
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: But whether it's him or someone else. Was there a

757
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: GM that you really struggled with where to put him,

758
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: that he maybe started high and went low, because I

759
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: feel like Robinson could be farther down this list and

760
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a big problem with that at all.

761
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: Really the whole John Robinson region, it was eight, Howie Roseman, nine,

762
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: John Robinson, ten, is Gouda Kunst eleven, Chris Ballard twelve,

763
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: Erica Costa, who I probably do have too low Eric,

764
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: Like Erica Costa is really good, just kind of like

765
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: I have to see like slightly more results even though

766
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: the process has been really good. But John Robinson was

767
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: a guy like before I had like done any research

768
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: for I had written any words, and like, you know,

769
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: I need to get John Robinson like kind of high

770
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: in these rankings because they want what they won thirty

771
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: two games the past three years. They've been a number

772
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: one seed, They've made the a f C Champions Game.

773
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: They've done this with Ryan Tannehill, and I'm like to

774
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: do that kind of stuff with Ryan Tannell quarterback. You

775
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: have got to have like a great roster. But then

776
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: you kind of remember, like, oh, you know the Titans defense,

777
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: actually they have Jeffrey Simmons, but kind of like low

778
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: on overall playmakers. It seems like depends a lot on

779
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, kind of like duct tape and gluing things together.

780
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: And John Robinson getting a lot of big decisions wrong.

781
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: Like I said, Wilson not even on the team anymore,

782
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley kind of living up to pre draft or

783
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: ability concerns, the Juliu Jones traded disaster. So John Robinson

784
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: was one where I definitely to adjust my prioritis, Like, yeah,

785
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to say this guy was underrated, but now

786
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: maybe I'm like overrating him. And this is really kind

787
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: of all about Mirabel being an elite coach he hired.

788
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: He gets a little credit I can see hiring. I

789
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: consider that in the rankings he he was right around

790
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: the same spot for me. I had him eleven, but

791
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: in the same area. He's actually done a pretty good

792
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: job drafting. And he gets credit for Tannehill to to

793
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: fix your quarterback position. Uh that well, that cheaply is amazing,

794
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: and I gotta stand up for my guy. Goody. I

795
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: had him up at number four. It's like, Okay, it

796
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: doesn't look great that your receiver room isn't totally perfect

797
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: right now. But if if there's a position on the

798
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: roster that I don't mind being underserved when Aaron Rodgers

799
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: is your quarterback, it's wide receiver, and the rest of

800
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: the roster looks awesome. The defense looks loaded. I would

801
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: say that the top five defense on paper and compared

802
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: to where it was when Goody came over. He has

803
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: nailed most of his draft picks and all they have

804
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: done is one And I you know, I do blame

805
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs or anything to me isn't on the GM.

806
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: He put together a roster that has won so many

807
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: games they could go like, oh and a team this year.

808
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: They could maybe do it again next year and they

809
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have as bad a record as Kyle Shanahan and

810
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: Lynch do together, who are under five hundred. I mean,

811
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: that's how good the Packers have been. I'm just saying, like,

812
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: I'm giving him a little bit of credit for the

813
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: first decision you make is Diarra Alexander. You know your

814
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: other picks who people didn't love, like Rashan Gary looks

815
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: like a potential all pro. I mean, he is, for

816
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: the most part, made sound decisions. I didn't even hate

817
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: the process of taking Jordan's love at the time, I

818
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: think I'm one of the few, uh that that and

819
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: even now if he's like a decent backup quarterback, I

820
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: don't hate it. I like, I love what Goody has done.

821
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: It's a lot of it is you know, conflict resolution

822
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: and the Aaron Rodgers thing got really rough, but he

823
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: found his way out of that. I mean, in another world,

824
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers isn't on that team. If if the if

825
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: the front office completely lost their way, whether that was

826
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: totally devision or not, he was, he was on board

827
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: with it. So Greg thinks it's quote unquote good if

828
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: your roster goes thirteen and three every year, right, maybe

829
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: you're underrated. And your defense is the backbone of the

830
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: Goody project where great picks, like great defensive line too though,

831
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: like Elton Jenkins and the great free agency finds like

832
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: Deveandre Campbell even and he signs Scenarius Smith, right, that

833
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: was the Goody also was a little Douglass. Yeah, but

834
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: just yeah, just those receivers, you know, you just maybe

835
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: hadn't drafted the h back, Josiah Degura, the Jordan love,

836
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, just maybe drafted receiver, then that would have

837
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: been nice. I like that you got sucked into the

838
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: same thing I get sucked into with the power rankings

839
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: with Andrew Berry and anything Browns related. You don't really

840
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: know what to do with him, so you just pop

841
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: him in the middle around seventeen sixteen because you can't

842
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: remove obviously the Watson, the play, or from everything else

843
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: at this point. However, if you did if in a

844
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: in a vacuum and you said this, GM gave up

845
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: all these draft assets and all this money and got

846
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: this franchise quarterback and be like, yes, you always make

847
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: the move to get the young franchise quarterback. So in

848
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: that way, obviously he made the team better. But because

849
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: of all the other garbage that he brought into the

850
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: organization and he wasn't alone Barry, Um, you create the

851
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: situation where they're a very hard team to distill or

852
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: figure out, including in this exercise, because what Barry did

853
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: was both a great personnel move and also like a

854
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: gross life move. So it's just again, everything is so

855
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: much more difficult with the Browns now and just even

856
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: beyond Watson, everything with the Browns I've had such like

857
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: turnover in the front office that I still like it's

858
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: like truly difficult to know where, like like it's difficult

859
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: to know where to like truly assign like credit or

860
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: blame for anything. It's like there's some of this is

861
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: still like the John Dorsey era, some of the what

862
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: is Paul day Podesta like really doing my like what

863
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: is Jimmy has them? Like Jimmy haslum Is insisting Andrew

864
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: Berry was like the brains behind the Deshaun Watson move,

865
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I really believe that, you know,

866
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: it seems very much like an owner move. And yeah,

867
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: so it was hard to get past my distaste for

868
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: the Watson move. And then also it's hard to really

869
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: know it's an opaque organization with so much turnover and

870
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: like really know like what is going on in the

871
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: front office there. But I mean like a year ago,

872
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: because I think the Watson thing absolutely colors the viewpoint

873
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: of Andrew Berry and his legacy to depending on how

874
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: this all shakes out, But a year ago, Andrew Berry

875
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: would have been kind of a sexy top ten g

876
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: M candidate. I think after taking you know, they when

877
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: when he when he took over, you know, he returned

878
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: to the Browns. He left for the Eagles and came back,

879
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: so there was been a lot of weird changeover and stuff.

880
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: But when he returned and to turn them into a

881
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: team that beat the Steelers in the playoffs with a

882
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: really interesting young roster. He's drafted well, like he looked

883
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: like a shining star. I just think that this move

884
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: so ails everything that you think about the team and

885
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: him in the front office and everyone else. Yeah, there's

886
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: nothing sexier than coming in and immediately fixing your offensive line,

887
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: which is what he did. And like you said, there's

888
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: an alternate universe, I mean where he's yeah, an ascendant,

889
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: viewed as like one of the most ascendant personnel people

890
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: in the entire league. And it's just and yeah, it's

891
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: just hard now, especially, it's just hard to separate at

892
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: all now. And I don't know if I'll ever be

893
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: able to properly evaluate well. And they underperformed last year.

894
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: As much as everyone said they had the best roster

895
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: in the league, they weren't, you know, they were they

896
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: were average. And two yeah, they they had their injuries

897
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: and Baker's injury certainly was a big factor. But it's

898
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: like I've seen Andrew Berry rank like PFF had their

899
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: top five GMS and they had him like third and

900
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: process and it's like you're trying to separate what happened

901
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: this offseason from everything else. It's like, well you can't,

902
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: Well how can you? If it works out that that's

903
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: a different conversation in terms of wins and losses. But

904
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: there's a very good chance he's gonna wear this for

905
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: the rest of his career. And it was something and

906
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: that everyone put their careers online when they made a move.

907
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: I've got to ask you, Rhodo, Pat john Schnyder at

908
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: twenty two. Um, I'm imagine this is another one that's

909
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: getting You know, Seahawks fans on Twitter are quite on

910
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: an active group, but I think active is the right word. Yes,

911
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: they are active. I mean to to allow Russell Wilson

912
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: to lead the team. I think that drops him a

913
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 1: lot because you're back starting looking over at quarterback and

914
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: it essentially allowed you know, Pete Carroll to win the

915
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: power battle there, which I'm not sure is the right

916
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: way to go. But where like, where was he a

917
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: year ago for you versus now? Well, that's what's so

918
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: funny about John Snyder is this is the first year,

919
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I finally like plunged him, like put him, put him

920
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: beyond twenty. And I had always kept him like benefit

921
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: of the doubt, like top ten, where he was still

922
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: like eight or nine the past years, and I got

923
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: like so much flak for that, like you have Steve

924
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: Kim above him, which I find interest, Hold on, Hold

925
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: on a second, Yeah, yeah, does he get Does Schnyder

926
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: still get at it from the early odd because to

927
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: be behind the kind bomb at this point is Schneider

928
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: ranking is basically when you're a guy with that long

929
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: of a track record and who's like been to some

930
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: super Bowls and you're getting ranked that low, it's basically

931
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: like a rank that's like a prediction like this person

932
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: will be fired or two basically, and it's hard to

933
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: know just a string of legendary draft classes of course,

934
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: basically to begin to Pete Carroll era, we just Richard Sherman,

935
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And then you know this

936
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: a little diminishing returns the past five and then like

937
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: the two signature moves you know in this era where

938
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: might finally the passing Golden Age, might you know, kind

939
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: of be ending. But you don't really want your signature

940
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: moves to be trading two first round picks for a

941
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: safety and then getting two first round picks for your

942
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. And it's just like hard to shake, you know.

943
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: I personally find with teams going contrarian to the run

944
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: right now, as we see saw last year, like that

945
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: could be a pretty successful short term approach. Like I

946
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: don't think the Seahawks have the defense or the offensive

947
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: line for that approach to work. And this it's this

948
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: kind of seems like Carol and Schneider out of ideas.

949
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know why the Seahawks allowed Pete Carroll

950
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: to win this particular power struggle with Russell Wilson, but

951
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: it just seems seems like delaying the inevitable. And this

952
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be like a new front office in a

953
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: year or two. Yeah, I think we've talked about the

954
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: ownership issue. I think the fact that they're gonna be selling,

955
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: but they don't necessarily want to change up what's going

956
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: on there before they do sell. It's it's too bad

957
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: because if you just stop time in, you would have

958
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: said John Schneider and Pete Carroll are some of the

959
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: best drafting and developing defensive talent minds in NFL history,

960
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: but the defense has been totally mediocre since then, and

961
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: basically everything that they've drafted, for the most part, they've

962
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: struck out getting above mediocrity and getting good picks. Although

963
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: I do think on paper this year they're in tregue

964
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: game they might be like a top ten type of defense,

965
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: little Pete Carroll renaissance, well, and it would be It

966
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: would be very funny. I mean, as much as like

967
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't believe in Pete Carroll anymore, like I do

968
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: kind of want him to win the argument, I just

969
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: think it would be so fun I'm kind of rooting

970
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: for a contrarians Seahawks like go eleven and six, and

971
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: everyone's like, what well, of course because gin with missoo

972
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: massoo great Drew Locker. All right, I want to look

973
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: at number twenty. First of all, I'm very happy that

974
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: you put Joe Douglas inside the top twenty. He's in

975
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: the teens, he's at nineteen. I don't know if all

976
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: this stuff is gonna work out, but I think he's

977
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: instilled some credibility for my Jets right now. And now

978
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: we've got to see if it all comes together. But

979
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: I like what he's doing. I like the moves he's made.

980
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes also, I like what he's doing here, And

981
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: you make a good point in your right up, Pat,

982
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: How you know he got right to work when he

983
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: got the job, He moved Matthew Stafford didn't want to

984
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: be there, got the draft picks, and has used this draft.

985
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: He's been patient since he's taken the job. They don't

986
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: have their future quarterback yet, but while they wait for

987
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: that big time draft or opportunity to present itself, he's

988
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: making the roster be better. So I'd like, even coming

989
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: off a season with a really poor record, the bigger

990
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: pictures and view for Rhodo Pat. Yeah, I mean Brad Holmes.

991
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: I like that he's not trying to cut corners. He's

992
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: being a box checker where it's very hard to have

993
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: two top seven picks and not take a quarterback either time.

994
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: But I guess this wasn't the right time either, and

995
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: so he's doing the next picks thing, next best thing

996
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: where he's he's boxed checking. Let's get a franchise tackle.

997
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: Let's take a shot like a like a number one

998
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: weapon for the offense. Uh, let's get the coach and

999
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: or like Greg said, you can't ignore the coach. Uh,

1000
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, may like make the bows the bet the most.

1001
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: I can't speak English of being a rebuilding team and

1002
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: stockpile the picks and it just seemed like they're whipping

1003
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: everything into shape. And you know, kind of the downside

1004
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: of that is that if you kind of get into

1005
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: like seven or eight wind Land, then you kind of

1006
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: almost take yourself out of position to make the quarterback

1007
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: the next box to check. So I guess that can

1008
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: be like the downside to this approach, But I don't

1009
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: really know what the alternative was. Uh, you couldn't. There's

1010
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: no quarterback pick to force this year. There really wasn't

1011
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: last year either, unless we believe in justin fields and

1012
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: so I just like the Brandon, they certainly could be

1013
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: regretting not taking Mac Jones in a few years. Why

1014
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: why you know Mac? You know, Max could be one

1015
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: of those fast He's only one of those guys for

1016
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: like the next five to ten years, just gets himself

1017
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: into every single conversation. When Greg, what do you do

1018
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: you think that was Mac one of those guys early

1019
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: career ceiling? Is he already bumping up against the ceiling,

1020
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: or do you really think there's more steps from Mac

1021
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: Jones to take. I've been too on the record about this.

1022
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: All I mean is if he if he has like

1023
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: a multiple Pro Bowl type of career, which feels very

1024
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: possible that they could look back on, you know, taking

1025
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: pens all over him certainly. But yeah, I think we

1026
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: focus on the lines. I'll be all about any not

1027
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: taking him, and so Brad Holmes will be out of

1028
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: narrative hell because he can just like kind of sneak

1029
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: out of the room while people talk about Shanny not

1030
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: taking Jones. I love what they do. Almost everything they've

1031
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: they've done, focusing on both lines right after that, they've

1032
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: been great. And Joe Douglas thing. Putting Joe Douglas and

1033
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: Nineen is kind of like Jets fans don't yell at me,

1034
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: like I like the process more or less, where he's

1035
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: doing the same thing as Brad Holmes. Really he's taking

1036
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: a shot at quarterback. They hopefully have their left tackle.

1037
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: The future is kind of hard to say what's going

1038
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: on with Beckton and but this year you know they

1039
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: were they made three first round picks. They get a

1040
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Uh, they get a wide receiver who's the

1041
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: other third round first round pick. They got a number

1042
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: one cornerback, and I had to like the Joe Douglass

1043
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: box checking. And unlike Brad Holmes, he doesn't have a

1044
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: quarterback Albi anymore because like now, he's already on the

1045
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: spot at quarterback. And if if Zack Wilson doesn't take

1046
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: a a clear step forward this year, that the Joe

1047
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Douglas project is suddenly looking very shaky. But I have

1048
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: liked the post gaze approach, and Greg, I just want

1049
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: to make sure because I want to pin you down

1050
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: on this if if your boy up there in New

1051
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: England ends up going to a couple of Pro Bowls,

1052
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: but it's like the Matt shob multiple Pro Bowl thing

1053
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: where he got in. It's like a seventh reserve because

1054
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: the guy in front of him his daughter at a

1055
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: dance recital, and the other guy, Jones first Pro Bowl

1056
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: last year doesn't count. He did actually make the Pro

1057
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: Bowl and made a ridiculous play in it, but that

1058
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: doesn't count anything else. Before we say goodbye to Mr

1059
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: Rhodo Pat, who we'd love to have back, by the

1060
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: way for the Fantasy extravaganza. I don't know if he's

1061
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: going to be available. I don't know if we have

1062
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: to pay for him, but it would be awesome. Is

1063
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: there anything else Mark that jumped out to you or

1064
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: Greg from this list? Trent Balkie by the way, for

1065
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: people who are curious, as it sits at the bottom

1066
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: of the list. Uh, that's kind of an incomplete I

1067
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: think he might remain there, but that's kind of incomplete.

1068
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he might end up staying there.

1069
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: Out of a question for for the group, because you know,

1070
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: we have our our Dalton scale, where if you have

1071
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: essentially Andy Dalton back in the day as your starter, um,

1072
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: anything below him on the list you need to find

1073
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: someone else fast And like, what what would be the

1074
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: Dalton scale of the GMS? For me? When I took

1075
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: a look at this, I thought, maybe I don't see

1076
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: I don't really agree with you have John Schnyder, But

1077
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: for me, it's sort of Steve Kim. I think that

1078
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna say kind feels like he's a that that

1079
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: does make sense because he makes the playoffs every one

1080
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: a while. Sure they never win a playoff game, and

1081
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: sure it might have been Bruce Arians. But and sure

1082
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: he gets every first round pick except Kyler Murray wrong.

1083
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: But he occasionally does some good stuff and he yeah, he.

1084
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: I feel like Kim is the Dalton line of g MS.

1085
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean that the ownership thinks he's better than that

1086
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: they've paining him through. I do the strange goings on

1087
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: there occasionally with the front of the Cardinals ownership, like

1088
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: the worst decision the Cardinals ownership made was leaving St. Louis.

1089
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: Of course, so Greg. That actually plays into the argument

1090
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: because the Bengals held on too Andy Dalton for way

1091
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: longer than frustrated fans would have thought too. I think

1092
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 1: times a good one is a pretty good pick, time

1093
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: is a very good If you're below time, it's time

1094
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: to move on. So again, John Schneider is gonna be

1095
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: fired next year. It's a shame. Here's a good executive.

1096
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: They had a great run, but he's gonna get fired.

1097
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: The Pride of St. Louis, Patrick Daugherty, thank you, buddy

1098
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: for joining us. Say hi to your fourteen kids and

1099
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: your wonderful wife, and we'll catch up with you in

1100
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: a true and my true pleasure. And I will make

1101
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: myself available for the extravagance. Yeah, so like four am,

1102
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: Copenhagen time, I'll be there, thank you very much. All right,

1103
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: there he goes Rhodo pat great to have him. Yeah,

1104
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: that's I think is who else would be even in

1105
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: that conversation for I think time's got that unlock and well,

1106
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: there's something weird with gms. I'm looking at all of them,

1107
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: and they either seem like their their career is falling

1108
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: apart too much to be that person, or they're they're

1109
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: have too much of a good body of work to

1110
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: be that person. So I almost feel like, because Kime

1111
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: to me is a bit of a house of cards

1112
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: that I think might be falling apart. So I don't

1113
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: even I don't even think he's quite there. But he's

1114
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: had his ups and down certainly maybe that makes sense.

1115
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: But the rest, like the guys I had in the

1116
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: middle of Tom to Tlasco, Jerry Jones, like those guys

1117
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: are too good to be. It's kind of survivor to

1118
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: getting the Kyler Murray done after all that, you know,

1119
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: that's I feel like that will help him as well,

1120
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: because that will keep them most likely from having like

1121
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: an epic type of fallback fall down. The standings, but

1122
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: we shall see time has survived like five nuclear wars

1123
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: at this point, so I mean it's you know, the

1124
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: organization has allowed him to make these mistakes and continued

1125
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: to continue to reward and basically, if you if you

1126
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: miss on a top ten wide quarterback, usually that will

1127
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: get you. But then he got to pick another guy

1128
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: the very next year, so he's kind of in his

1129
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: own category. It's bizarre, as has been um our final

1130
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: episode with Greg in a conference room, uh in some

1131
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: part of the building, bright red chairs behind him. Sounds

1132
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: like it seems like the place where people get fired.

1133
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: That room you're in right now, Yeah, I think you

1134
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: know which one. It's. It's the one we pass every day,

1135
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: right that's the closest to the news room, that's in

1136
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: between the podcast studio. It's shut down corner. It's where

1137
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: it's Stephan Gilmore's picture is right at the front making

1138
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: that beautiful leaping interception in one of the greatest Super

1139
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: Bowls of your life. I mean, they're seen two three Patriots.

1140
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't obviously, um never a celebration when

1141
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: someone loses their job, but our office does name the

1142
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: different rooms, Like you're saying after great moments in NFL history.

1143
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: What if there was an office that was only for

1144
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: dismissals and firings and it was like called like Naggi's nook,

1145
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: and there's a big Matt Naggie on the sideline looking

1146
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: confused or bewildered or angry. Not a bad I did.

1147
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: And if you like get called into the meeting and

1148
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: Naggie's nook, well that might be a meaning to try

1149
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: to avoid or miss. Yeah, because I like that much better.

1150
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: Because the idea that you'd go and get fired in

1151
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: like the shut down corner, like every time for the

1152
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: rest of your life when you hear the term shut

1153
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: down corner, it's tied to this awful moment. It would

1154
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: change the way you feel about the sport to some degree.

1155
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: It's that's terrible. But who would be like a famous

1156
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: NFL figure in terms of like they're almost famous for

1157
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: getting fired a lot, like I guess Chip Kelly rapped

1158
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: up a few and in short the order, it's like

1159
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: North Turner over the years, just because he got so

1160
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: many chances that we lost lost some jobs. Um. I

1161
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: like Naggie's nook. I think it's got some power. I

1162
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: think it's all right, Like I've said, this is our

1163
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: last show last week with two shows, we'll be back

1164
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: all together in the studio um starting on what have

1165
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: you doing Monday? Back together on Monday, Let's do it.

1166
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: It's back together Monday or whatever that together Monday on

1167
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: around the NFL training camp will be in full swing

1168
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: and so will we. So thank to everybody for listening

1169
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: and we will see you again soon. And remember Chris

1170
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: Westley always head the car