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We in law enforcement 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: have a very good track record of working together to 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: bring justice to victims and to bring perpetrators to justice. 29 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 1: We're not going to stop in this In this case. 30 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: In the last hours, the FBI releasing brand new photos 31 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: of a North Carolina girl who was kidnapped just outside 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: her own at about seven a m. The mother along 33 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: with the f FBI begging for your help. Where is 34 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: Hanya Imancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for 35 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: being with us. You were hearing audio of the FBI 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: pointing you, directing you, and you can see it at 37 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: crime online dot com. Video of a mail walking along. 38 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: Is this the person who took this beautiful little girl 39 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: from straight outside her home with me? Joseph Scott Morgan, 40 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: forensics expert, Professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, author 41 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Dr Brian Russell psychologist, lawyer, 42 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: host of the hit series on Discovery I D Fatal 43 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Vows and author of Stop Moaning, Start Owning and Joining 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: Me from l A with the very latest crime Onlines. 45 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: Alan Duke, All, it's so hard for me to imagine 46 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: that at seven o'clock in the morning. You know, I'm 47 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: rushing around trying to get the children out the door, 48 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: trying to make sure they have been fed and they've 49 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: got all their a kuchuma together. Uh, that someone is 50 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: actually waiting for them, waiting to take them. Because there 51 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: is no doubt in my mind, Alan Duke, that this 52 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: little girl was targeted. She goes right outside her door 53 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: and she's getting into her auntie's car and bam, she's gone. Yeah. 54 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: This reminds me of when I was a kid. I 55 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: used to like to go and crank the car on 56 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: the cold days in Georgia to get it ready to 57 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: go to school. It was sort of my pre prelude 58 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: to learning how to drive. And to think that this 59 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: girl went out there to do that and she was kidnapped. 60 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: You know, guys, we're talking about the disappearance of a 61 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: beautiful little girl. It's a girl that just turned thirteen, 62 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Hanya Aglar, and we're looking for a green vehicle. Take 63 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: a listen to this day five in the search for 64 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Hanya Aguilar still coming up empty. But tonight, new surveillance 65 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: video of a man walking towards Rosewood Mobile home Park 66 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: who could help investigators crack this case. Someone knows this 67 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: man and we need you to call us with information. 68 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: Maybe you recognize the way he walks, his mannerisms, or 69 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: maybe he'll recognize himself on TV, Hanya's mother originally set 70 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: to speak during an afternoon press conference. To exhausted to talk, 71 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: she penned this letter to the community instead. You provided help, 72 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you can continue to provide help. We need your help. 73 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: We need Hanya to come home. Those are the words 74 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: of a mother desperate to get her child back. You're 75 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: hearing from w t V d t V Durham reporter 76 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: Morgan Norwood. You were also hearing what the FBI agent 77 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: Andy Dell Rocca is telling us a message from Hanya's mother. 78 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: This is very very important to me to Dr Brian 79 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: Russell what we just heard, because so often, like if 80 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: you think of um, the case of Jamie Class who's 81 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: missing right now, both of her parents shot dead and 82 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: she's missing from the home. A lot of people are speculating, Oh, 83 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: was she part of it? Did she or help orchestrate this? No, 84 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't think she did. But in this case, we 85 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: have a witness, Dr Brian Russell, a witness that sees 86 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: this little girl just turned thirteen. You know what, that 87 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: is just a little older than my daughter and son, 88 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: saw her being forced into the car. She didn't have 89 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: anything to do with this. This is not somebody that 90 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: she knows. A man in a yellow bandanna. What does 91 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: this mean to you? Dr Russell. One of the things 92 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: that we see in these cases sometimes Nancy, is that 93 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: the perpetrator actually did have some prior contact with the victim, 94 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: for example, on social media media. And that does not 95 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: mean that the victim necessarily was a willing participant or 96 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: certainly not an enthusiastic participant in running off with the perpetrator, 97 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: but there has been some prior contact. And so when 98 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: you listen to this mother, one of the things that 99 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: I notice is that she makes this comment where she says, 100 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't have anything against the person who took you, 101 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: And it just makes me wonder. I may be totally 102 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: all wet on this, but it makes me wonder if 103 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: she's not considering the possibility that there had been some 104 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: kind of prior contact. Maybe the guy wanted the girl 105 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: to run off, she wouldn't go, so he decided he 106 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: was goinging to force it, and the mom isn't sure 107 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: the extent to which the girl is upset about it, 108 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: So she's trying to sort of telegraph a message that, 109 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: you know, if you decide that this was a horrible 110 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: idea and you come back, I'm not going to, uh, 111 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, go all out on this guy necessarily. Now, 112 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: of course she will and should if they as as 113 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: soon as they find them. Well, I've got a question 114 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: for you, Dr Brian. Do you have any evidence at 115 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: all to suggest that that is the scenario. I do not. Okay, 116 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: let's talk about what we know, and it may be true. 117 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: What Dr Brian is saying may be true. This may 118 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: be someone in her neighborhood, someone that saw her at 119 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: a school ball game, someone that has approached her before 120 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: and she just rebuffed or walked away from. Right now, 121 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: we don't know. But what we do know is this 122 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: guy last seen had on a yellow bandanna. As a 123 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: matter of fact, listen to Lumberton Police Chief Michael McNeil, 124 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: a witness song a male stressed in all black and 125 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: we're in a yell Bandanna approach Miss Hannah Noela Angailor, 126 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: aged thirteen and forced her into a green two thousand 127 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: into Ford Expedition, and he discobbed behre Glen's throw away. 128 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: With Miss Angler in the vehicle, Miss Angler has been 129 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: waiting on families to come out of the resident to 130 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: take her to school at the Lamberton Junior High School 131 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: where she is in the eighth grade. Okay, that's just 132 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: making me sick to my stomach. Just got Morgan with me. 133 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: Forensics expert Just Scott. I cannot discount Dr Brian Russell's theory. 134 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, you know, um, John David, 135 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: my little boy got to be ball boy okay for 136 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: the George Czech basketball team one night, and of course 137 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: I was so proud and I went and watched him. 138 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: Lucy could have been ball girl, but she wanted to 139 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: go to a dance with her father instead. I'll never 140 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: understand that the decision. But okay, so long story short, 141 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: I sat there and watch John David the whole time, 142 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: and it's only now hitting me. Who may have seen him, 143 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: who did he talk to, who did he come in 144 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: contact with because it's just like Dr Brian Russell said, 145 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: this could have been anybody that she knew or didn't know, 146 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: or saw, came in contact with at school, uh, at 147 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: the grocery store. It could be anybody, not necessarily somebody 148 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: she recognizes or she knows, but someone that had come 149 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: in contact with her. And that is very scary. There's 150 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: no way to avoid that. No, there's not. One of 151 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: the things that we do and investigations, Nancy, as we 152 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: look for motivations, you know, what's the rationale for somebody 153 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: moving forward? Now, I can tell you something from my 154 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: past and my personal history is that I grew up 155 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: in my early years, was a single mother in a 156 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: trailer house. And I tell you what we did not 157 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of, and that was money. So many 158 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: times when we think about kidnapping, uh, you know, in 159 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: the classic sense, people think, well, folks are being kidnapped 160 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: in order to hold them for ransom. I can't imagine 161 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: this family has, you know, oodles of cash that they're 162 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: that they're prepared to hand over um uh in order 163 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: to ransom this girl. So what's the motivation for this 164 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: individual to snatch this little thirteen year old girl? And 165 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: another thing that's it's quite striking to me is the 166 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: fact that this individual would be so bold as to 167 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: do it in her front yard, outside of the trailer 168 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: while they're waiting for school. Man, you're so right about 169 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: that that factor so bold to do it in her 170 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: front yard as she is waiting to go to school. 171 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to it. Lamington Police Chief Michael McNeil 172 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: tells us it breaks my heart to stand here before 173 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: you five days later Athahana has been missing and kidnapped 174 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: and not have her back home yet. I'm telling you, folks, 175 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: it hurts me now and deep in the heart then 176 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: know that she's not back home yet. To her mother, 177 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: in fact, to this community that we are working real hard, 178 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: real hard with all the law enforce a partners, We've got, 179 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: all of the community that we have here. They're working 180 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: hard to bring her home to her family, which is 181 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: my family. Also, where is Hanya, this little girl who 182 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: had just turned thirteen and eighth grade real Lumberton Junior 183 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: High kidnapped by a man dressed in black wearing a 184 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: yellow bandana while she's standing outside her family's home. It's 185 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: it's it's overwhelming. How many times have I told the children, run, 186 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: run around, go get in the minivan. I'll be right 187 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: there and we'll go. I've got it turned on for you. 188 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: Any cooke could get in that minivan and take off 189 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: with them. It's overwhelming. We We also have learned in 190 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: the last hours the Lumbertons. Lumberton Police Chief Michael McNeil 191 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: and the FBI say that stolen vehicle was found shortly 192 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: before a eight a m off Quincy Drive in Lumberton. 193 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: Now what does that mean? Is he on it with 194 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: the girl? Are they in a home nearby? Has he 195 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: gotten into another car and taken her away? The suspect 196 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: then drove the two thousand into for the expedition, bearing 197 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: the tag South Carolina tag nor William Sam four out 198 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: of the neighborhood and was last seen turning left onto 199 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: the Elizabethtown Road. At this time, the investigators are an 200 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: interviewing witnesses, family and friends, as well as conducting a 201 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: door to door canvas in the neighborhood and check in 202 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: area surveillances to find out in any information with ten 203 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: that tag was in Nancy W West s South nine 204 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: eight four. The vehicle has been found nearby, which means 205 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: he's either in another vehicle or they are somewhere in 206 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: the area. You know, it seems to me, you're the 207 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: forensics expert, Joseph Scott Morgan, that they could get some 208 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: sort of fingerprint or d NA off that car to 209 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: tell them who the purpose. You know, this is not 210 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: his first time at the rodeo, No it's not. And 211 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: that's what was very intriguing to me about this case, Nancy, 212 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: is the fact that he would target a thirteen year 213 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: old female. We're pretty sure that this is a male 214 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 1: has done this, at least from the descriptors of the 215 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: police are saying. And so if that is the case, 216 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: I think one one chance I might have with this 217 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: guy is a DNA profile if he has been registered 218 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: as a sexual predator, if they can tag that back 219 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: via the DNA that they can collect within that vehicle. Remember, 220 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: his hands have been on steering wheel, they've been on 221 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: the gearshift, they've been on the steering column, everywhere inside 222 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 1: of that vehicle. They can harvest something from that location 223 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: and tied back to a specific name if he is 224 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: in the registry. So that's very important not to mention 225 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: the fingerprint evidence as well. And you know, the dr 226 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, host off hit series Fatal Vows on Discovery, Psychologist, lawyer, 227 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: author of Stop Moaning, Start Owning. Dr Brian This is 228 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: not this guy first time at the rodeo, as we 229 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: were just saying, you don't go from zero to one 230 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: twenty mph and one incident. However, his previous incidents maybe 231 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: other things like a burglary, like a peeping tom. One 232 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: thing I noticed prosecuting all those years in inner city Atlanta. 233 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: When you got a guy for peeping tom, okay, that 234 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: was going that would escalate into burglaries or sex crimes. 235 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm not had don't have statistics, but every time somebody 236 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: had a peeping tom, then have several of them, and 237 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: then it would escalate. Like sex offenses, they can't stop. 238 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Another kind of crime that can't stop criminal is burglary. 239 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: It's just something in your in your DNA. You just 240 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: burgle Those are three crimes that I know anecdotally. They 241 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: can't stop themselves and they cannot be rehabbed to stop. 242 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: So this guy, my point is going back to what 243 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: just got Morgan just said, may not have a sex 244 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: offense in his criminal history, but he's got something. It 245 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: may be a burglary. It may be a peeping tom, 246 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: but there is something in this guy's history. They could 247 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: get that fingerprint, they can nap him. What do you think, Well, 248 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: I think you're making a great point, and I think 249 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: it actually extends across many of the cases that we've 250 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: discussed over the years. If you look at mass shootings, uh, 251 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, kidnappings, rapes, almost every case we talk about. 252 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: When we finally catch the person, we find out that 253 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: the society has had multiple prior opportunities to have gotten 254 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: that person away from the law abiding public, and we 255 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: haven't done it because we're always so concerned about, oh, 256 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: we want to give a second chance, we want to rehabilitate. 257 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: We don't want to ruin somebody's life. Uh. You know, 258 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: we have got to think more as you're thinking that, 259 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: thank god we caught this person when all they did 260 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: was be a peeping tom. We caught them on their 261 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: way to doing something like this, and we need to 262 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: act more as such instead of going, well, we can 263 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: maybe rehabilitate, maybe a little probation, a little therapy. That's 264 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: exactly how you get these higher level offenses. And it's 265 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: so frustrating because I think about how many times we 266 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: have actually had a case like this where it did 267 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: turn out to be the only thing the person had 268 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: ever done that put them on the society's radar. But 269 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: I can probably count those on one hand. You're you're right, 270 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: and we've seen it over and over again. Guys, Please 271 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: go to crime online dot com look at the video 272 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: that we have posted. The FBI is not calling the 273 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: person in the video a person of interest or a suspect. 274 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: They just want to talk to him find out what, 275 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: if anything, he knows. They are asking anyone who lives 276 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: within a mile of Quincy Drive to also check their property, 277 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: out sheds, outbuildings. You know that better than police, better 278 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: than the FBI does. Just in the last hours, the 279 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: FBI has released this surveillance of video showing what appears 280 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: to be a mail walking in the area where she 281 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: Hanya was taken. Now, what is this guy doing out 282 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: walking around all by himself in that very same area. 283 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: Clearly whoever took her knows the area. That should reduce 284 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 1: the number of suspects. We are on the hunt for 285 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: a little girl taken basically from her front yard. Won't 286 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: you help us? Alan Duke joining me? Alan, there is 287 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: a tipline in this case in the search for Hanya 288 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: Agilaar the search entering now day eight. The FBI wants 289 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: to talk to the man seen in this surveillance video. 290 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: You can see it at crime online dot com. Allan, 291 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: what is the tip line number? Well, there is the 292 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: FBI tipline at two seven two five eight seven two 293 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: seven to five eight seven one. As a matter of fact, 294 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: the reward in the search for Hanja Agilar has been 295 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: increased listen. In addition to the fifteen thousand dollars reward 296 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: being offered by the FBI, our governor office today reported 297 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: that they will give us additional five thousand dollar reward 298 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: to help find Hanya. We are grateful to everyone for 299 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: their support and all the prayers that we're having, including 300 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: the law enforcement come years and praying for them as 301 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: we prayed to try to get Honya back home to 302 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: her family. I encourage you all to pray and keep 303 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: supporting each other and during this difficult time in the 304 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: Lomington community. Today, the North Carolina Emergency Management Office conducted 305 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: a ground search with a mile within a mile up 306 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: where the stolen vehicle was found in the area of 307 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: Quincy Drive. The groups are specially trained to search for 308 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: evidence that could have helped us find on you. They 309 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: checked all the abandoned buildings in the area that they 310 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: could check. Now we're asking anyone who lives within the 311 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: mile of Quincy Drive to check your own property, check 312 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: your out shares, your outbuildings. You know him better than 313 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: we do and better than the search team does, and 314 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: call our tip line ATO two seven to five eight 315 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: seven one if anyone see anything unusual or out of 316 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: place on their property. You know your property better than 317 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: we can, and you can spot things that don't belong there. 318 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: And we're sending this message out to the community, even 319 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: though we had a search team out the community and 320 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: know they're the audience. They know they're out she is 321 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: They know that things that don't belong in their property 322 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: what should belong on their property? Process the issue the 323 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: stolen vehicle and hope it may offer us clues in 324 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: our disperate serves to bring back home. Do you know 325 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: another parent or expecting parent? 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I sat down with these smartest people I 333 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 1: know in the world on matters of child's safety, finding 334 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: missing children, fighting back against predators, and what I learned 335 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: is so important, powerful and information so critical. I will 336 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: you to have it. I want them to have it. 337 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: Go to crime stops here dot com for a five 338 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: part series with action information that you can use to 339 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: change your life and protect your child. Payment starting six. 340 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: Give that as a gift, not another one. Z find 341 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: out how to protect your child when you're out of 342 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: the mall or the store, or the grocery, in the 343 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: parking lot at home. Find out about protection regarding babysitters, 344 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: in daycare, even online. I'd rather have that any day 345 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: of the week than a plastic toy or God forbid, 346 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: a toy gun. Join Justice Nation. Go to crime stops 347 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: here dot com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Lake 348 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: Hallie Police Department is looking for the driver who hit 349 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: five people early this afternoon. Three of people were pronounced 350 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: dead at the scene and that includes two children and 351 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: one adult. Police say the five victims were part of 352 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: an area Girl Scout troop. They were participating in a 353 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: cleanup event when the incident happened. One victim was airlifted 354 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: to the hospital and one victim was taken by ambulance. 355 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: We had a group of Girl Scouts were alongside the 356 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: highway picking up trash in OH four to oh six. 357 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: Black f one fifty was traveling North Mountain County Highway 358 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: P right before the Highway twenty nine overpass, cross over 359 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: lane of traffic and into the debtch, striking the Girl 360 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: Scout troop. A vehicle of interest is believed to be 361 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: a dark colored forward truck, but the heavy front end 362 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: damage and missing both side of you mirrors. You're hearing 363 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: from w E A U t V. That's reporter Katarina 364 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: Vigara describing the deaths of three Girl Scouts and one 365 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: parent mow down on the side of the street as 366 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: they were picking up trash as part of their Girls 367 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Scout group project. Now we learn the driver who mowed 368 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: them down was huffing, huffing, getting high when he mowed 369 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: the girls and the parents dead. I mean it's Grace. 370 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Huffing. 371 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: What is it? Well, you may remember this, we know 372 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: now what to me more, Um, at least according to 373 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: her friend, was doing right before this emergency. Uh. And 374 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: it involves something. UM, I will admit I was unfamiliar with. 375 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: I've never heard of a whipper done. I got a 376 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: little education. I got a little bit of a drug 377 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: education this morning. Um that she supposedly, according to the friend, 378 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: at least was inhaling nine for his oxide. And um, 379 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: that is what the basis of this uh nine one 380 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: of he was. That was the story by our friend 381 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: Harvey Levin at t MZ the morning that to me 382 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: Moore had been huffing using whippets and got high and 383 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: had some sort of an emergency and nine one one 384 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: seizure like emergency. What is huffing? It's at the root 385 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: of the death of three girl scouts and a mob 386 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: John Limley with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. 387 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: What happened with the three girl scouts? John? Well, it 388 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: was late Saturday morning. Two small groups of girl scouts 389 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: from Troop thirty and their adult companions. They were all 390 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: wearing these bright lime green safety vests walking along the 391 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: sides of County Road p. These are fourth graders that 392 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: had adopted the rural road and we're performing uh, their 393 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: bi annual community service. This is along a stretch that 394 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: runs through farmland residential areas. A black pickups speeding, Uh. 395 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: We're not even sure exactly the speed, veered off the 396 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: road and into the shallow ditch where some of these 397 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: girls were walking, picking up trash kill ling. Uh. Two 398 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: of the girls outright uh and the mother the Uh. 399 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: The other child died very soon after. The truck then 400 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: lurches back onto the road, speeds away and uh. It 401 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: takes investigators a while to figure out and find the perpetrator. 402 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: This crash on a Saturday killed a nine year old 403 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: little girl, Janea Kelly, ten year old Autumn Helgason, both 404 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: of Lake Halle, ten year old Haaey Hickel, and her mother, 405 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: thirty two year old Sarah J. Schneider from Lafayette. And 406 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: now we are learning more and more about why Lisa 407 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: now identified the driver of the pickup as twenty one 408 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: year old Colton True. Police say he took off after 409 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: the crash but later turned himself in. True has not 410 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: been charged yet, but he did appear in court today 411 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: for a bond hearing. True and prosecutors say he will 412 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: face more than a dozen charges. Police say True and 413 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: his passenger admitted to huffing chemicals before the crash, and 414 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: in court, the District Attorney's office said True was also 415 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: involved in a rollover accident while driving under the influence 416 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: of drugs. In September, you were hearing from k A 417 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: R a eleven TV reporter at Danny Speewalk, describe me 418 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: the pickup truck that this guy, Colton True was driving 419 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: allegedly huffing chemicals just before he mows down three little 420 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: girl scouts, my daughter's age, my son's age, and we 421 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: learned he was involved in another crash just a couple 422 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: of months before, and nothing was done. Joining me right now. 423 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: In addition to John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 424 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: forensics expert Karen Smith, courtroom superstar Jason Ocean's New York 425 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: psychologist Karen Stark, joining me now is former president of 426 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 1: Mad Mothers Against Drunk and Driving, Georgia Sheryl mc on them, 427 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: what is huffing? A lot of people didn't even know 428 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: what it was till Demi Moore ended up in the 429 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: emergency room. Right, you can huff several things, spray paint, 430 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: whipped cream, and of course the nighting ox side. So 431 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: what they basically do is they can use a balloon, 432 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: they can use anything. They take the gases out and 433 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: it goes right into their mouth and it gives them 434 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: this really rush of euphoria. It's like this fantastic high. Nancy, 435 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: how many times are you and I gonna have to 436 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: talk about a driving under the influenced fatality. You've got 437 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: these babies, these nine year old little girls that are 438 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: out doing community servants, helping other people, and here comes 439 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: this twenty one year old that a could have stayed 440 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: at home, could have stayed at a friend's house, could 441 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: have stayed parked in a parking lot, could have used 442 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: uber for the love of God, but no, again, he decides. 443 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: But not only is he gonna for good doing something legally, 444 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: He's gonna use something illegal, become under the influence, and 445 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: then movies babies down. It's asin on to me mowing 446 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: them down. That's a way to put it. Huffing um 447 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: is intentionally in healing fumes is becoming very very common 448 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: it was made on common knowledge when to me More 449 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: had used whippets to huff. You're using inhalent. You can 450 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: use it from practically anything, spray bottles, there are different 451 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: solvents people can use to huff. It's dangerous. It's very 452 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: dangerous for the people doing it and everybody around them. 453 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: Now she was using whippets. Demi Moore was using whippets, 454 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: you know too, Karen Stark, a New York psychologist joining 455 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan. People huff because they say, oh, well, 456 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: you know it's not cocaine, it's not heroin. But we 457 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: recalling Demi Moore hospitalized after inhaling notrous oxide using whippets, 458 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: and they really got in the spotlight when that happened. 459 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: Remember she had seizures, she went unconscious, was rushed to 460 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: the hospital. Those little cylinders feel with nitrous oxide or 461 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: knox you can get in Dentis's office. No vicine is 462 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: uh something similar um and and very dangerous as you 463 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: can see from Demi Moore. But it's not just I 464 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: mean the whole thing became popular during the discour when 465 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: people would do it on the dance floor, so they 466 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: would get higher as they were dancing. And feel better. 467 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: And when you think about that, which sounds like it's 468 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: not horrific, and you compare it to this terrible scene 469 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: where a guy, as Cheryl said, he's in a car 470 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: driving when he shouldn't be driving, and these innocent girls 471 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: who were doing a service to the public are now 472 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: dead and the families will never ever recover from that event, Nancy, 473 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: because of this guy using this drug that is supposedly safe, 474 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: which we know is not. No, it's not safe with me. 475 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: Former president of Mad Mothers Against Drunk Driving Georgia Sheryl McCollum. 476 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: You know, if you've ever gone to the grocery store 477 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: and gotten cant of whipped cream, they can of whit cream. 478 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: You know what, you're one step away from the oldest 479 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: drug abuse method under the sun. Powering whipped cream is 480 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: a very small dose of notrous oxide and when it 481 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: comes out and you suck it in, you get a high. 482 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: That's what's called a whipping the little eight ground container, 483 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. And again they can fill 484 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: it with anything. It can be a blue it could 485 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: be a whip, praying dispenser, spray paint. I mean, we've 486 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: had cases where we get to were seen and somebody 487 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: has died, and they'll have gold or silver spray paint 488 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: all around their mouths because they've been trying to huff 489 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: the spray paint and it killed them. I mean, people 490 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: don't understand nacy. They say, oh, this is the newest thing, 491 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: this is the cool trends. They don't understand the ramifications 492 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: if they're not in a car. But you add a 493 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: two tiny vehicle going sixty miles an hour when you're 494 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: out of your mind, people are going to die. That 495 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: happened just before noon in Lake Allei. Police say a 496 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: Girl Scout troop was picking up trash on County Highway 497 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Pee near weather Field when a Ford truck went into 498 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: the ditch, hitting the victims. Three young girls and one 499 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: adult female died as a result. One young child for 500 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: means in critical condition. Boy Calli Police Department have the driver, 501 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: twenty one year old Colt to True of chippew Falls. 502 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: He fled the area but later turned himself in. You're 503 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: hearing from w E A UTV reporter Brooke Schweiter there 504 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: on the scene. Three Girl Scouts dead, including a mom 505 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm Jane and Kelly, nine years old. One of the 506 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: girl Scouts killed. Quote. There was no warning, it was fast. 507 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: It was from behind. No one could turn around. Oh 508 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: that's what Robin Kelly, the troupe leader said, No warning, 509 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: it was fast, it was from behind, no one could 510 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: turn around. I'm looking at these little girls pictures. It's 511 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: called hippie crack, one of the several terms used for whippets. 512 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: You can get him, buy an individual canister or an 513 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: entire tank. They're perfectly legal to purchase. Why why are 514 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: they legal to purchase? First, you get euphoria, you get hypoxia, 515 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: and it seems so innocent, sucking out of whipped cream canister. 516 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: John Linley, what more do we know about the guy 517 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: now charged Colton True in four vehicular homicides well Nancy. 518 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: In addition to he and his passenger there in the 519 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: car huffing these computer keyboard cleaner chemicals, they were fighting 520 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: for control of the pick up which killed these three children. 521 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: At a parent Colton True admitted to police that he 522 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: and his root his roommate John Stender, had been huffing. 523 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: He said he lost control of the vehicle and fish 524 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: tailed after Mr Stender grabbed the steering wheel from him 525 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: on this rural Highway. Stender told authorities he took the 526 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: steering wheel to correct True's driving, which then prompted his 527 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: roommate to yell and violently grabbed the wheel back. As 528 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: he did so, the truck swerved into the ditch, striking 529 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: five victims, killing four and seriously injuring another. True sped 530 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: off after the collusion. Stender told police the next thing 531 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: he recalled is waking up down the road. Waking up 532 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: down the road. Take a listen to w c C 533 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: O t VS. Kate Rabbit's talking with the father of 534 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: Jana Kelly, now dead. And this is such a tragedy. 535 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: You can't the anger take over though you want to 536 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: get mad about it, and you feel guilty about it, 537 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: and you can't. It's just something that was out of 538 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: our control. Brian Kelly's daughter, nine year old Jana Kelly, 539 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: along with ten year old Autumn Helgeson, ten year old 540 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: Hailey Hickle, and her thirty two year old mother, Sarah 541 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: Joe Schneider, were killed to Jason Ocean's veteran trial lawyer 542 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: in the Tri State area around New York. Jason Oceans, 543 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: what's this guy looking at? Four vehicular homicide, three of 544 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: them little girl Scouts. Well, he's looking at some some 545 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: serious time. Fancy. Uh, you know, when these these cases happen, 546 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: and they've don't always make headlines unfortunately, but the coupling 547 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: with the girl Scouts and the age and and and 548 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: the volunteerism, he's he's going to have the prosecutor go 549 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: after him full full kill. Once a case hits the 550 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: headlines like this, there's there's probably no good plea deal 551 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: to come. And uh, most of us would be happy 552 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: about that. I say to people, you can't make sense 553 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: of this. This is impossible, impossible to make sense. The 554 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: pastor at Central Lutheran Church in Chippewa Falls is preparing 555 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: how to talk to families about the tragedy at Wednesday 556 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: night worship, to answer the kid's questions, to to just 557 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: be real with him, be honest with them, give them 558 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: realistic answers um to the questions that they are asking. 559 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: According to the criminal complaint, an officer followed a trail 560 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: of fresh fluid moving away from the crash scene that 561 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: led him to True's residents, used a search warrant to 562 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: find a Ford pickup with significant front end damage. Further, 563 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: True admitted to investigators he and a friend his passenger 564 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: during the crash had been huffing computer keyboard cleaner they 565 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: bought that day. Court records also showed true was Foult 566 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: guilty of driving drunk in it. Convicted on his current 567 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: eleven charges, he would essentially spend life in prison. You 568 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: were here from w c CEO TVs Kate Rabbits talking 569 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: about a previous charge. What does that, How does that 570 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: factor into this scenario? Jason otions, Well, certainly you know 571 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: can't come in Uh, you know certain states they can. 572 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm not something with that jurisdiction, but clearly the fact 573 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: that prosecutors are aware of that will will give them 574 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: the impetus not to cut a deal with him and 575 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: that he's going to face all those counts. Uh. And 576 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: then as we just turned, he could be looking at 577 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: John Linley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. What about 578 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: the passenger that previously dragged grabbed the wheel? What about him? 579 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: Is he facing charges at all? Those charges are pending 580 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 1: at the moment, there has been no update on that. 581 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: So no, you know, he was so out of his mind. 582 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: Trim a column form President of mad Georgia. We know 583 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: that he's driving along in his black Ford F one fifty. 584 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: He went over a full lane all the way into 585 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: a roadside ditch, mowing the girls down and the mom 586 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: it's as if he it's like they were a target. 587 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: It's like he went straight at them. Absolutely want let's 588 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: break this down for everybody. People that huck they have 589 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: found a legal way to purchase the drug they're gonna use. 590 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: So these two guys, you know, they're just not gonna 591 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: go to a drug dealer. They're gonna go to your 592 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: local store and they're gonna buy a cleaner or whatever, 593 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: spray pain, whatever it is that they choose. It's a 594 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: legal way to get the item. And then again, they're 595 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: gonna get in a car in the effect of this 596 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: huff and it's gonna be slurred speaks, are gonna be 597 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: dis oriented, they're gonna, you know, get a soul. They 598 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: gonna like be lightheeded, and then they're just gonna doze off, 599 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: which is exactly what this jackass did. And he's got 600 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: a history. He's got a d U when he was 601 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: even under age. And you and I both so from 602 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: Zeeland with these crumbs for twenty years. This is not 603 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: the only two times this man has driven under the influence. 604 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: He has driven no way. For every time somebody has 605 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: caught d u I, they've driven d u I seventy 606 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: eight times before that according to statistics. Oh uh, no way. 607 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: To Karen Smith, forensics expert, how can this scene be reconstructed? 608 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: How can we tell exactly what happened? Now, it's obvious 609 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: to me what happened, but you gotta prove it at court. 610 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: That's right. Well, you have their testimony first of all, 611 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: which is great. Now you go back and you reconstruct 612 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: the crime scene as it is institute. You have the 613 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: tire marks on the ground, you have the dirt that's 614 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: been disturbed, you have the y'all marks, you have the 615 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: skid marks, and you have the impact points. Those have 616 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: all been marked with orange paint. Those have all been diagrams. 617 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: You're going to get people who are using very sophisticated calculations. 618 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: These traffic crash reconstructionists use a lot of physics and 619 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: a lot of complicated mathematics to reconstruct how fast that 620 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: truck was going, along with the data from the truck. 621 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: If it's new enough, they can pull the chip and 622 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: feed that right in. There were computers and tell exactly 623 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: what that truck was doing at the moment of the impact. 624 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: So all of that's going to come together in court. 625 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: And believe me, this guy, I hope he never sees 626 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: the light of day again. He's destroyed too many lives. Yeah, 627 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 1: he can enjoy a whip it behind bars. He'll probably 628 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: get to work and they prison cafeteria and have access 629 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: to to whip cream in a in a in A 630 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: can listen as K A R A eleven TVs. Danny 631 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: Spewak reports they were giving back away smiles on their face. 632 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: Girl Scout Troop thirty five was out picking up trash 633 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: when police say a pickup truck crashed into five troop members. 634 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 1: Four were killed, now identified by police as ten year 635 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: old Hailey Hickle, Hickles mothers or Joe Schneider, ten year 636 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: old Autumn Helgesen, and nine year old Jana Kelly. Jane's 637 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: mom is a school employee and her dad is the 638 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: county Highway commissioner in the Highway Department. Is really really hurting, 639 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: and the families are hurting. So the Girls Scouts are hurting, 640 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: the elementary school is hurting, So we need to all 641 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: come together. Charley Walker works with the commissioner and has 642 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: been fielding calls all week. And we knew that when 643 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: that many phone calls hit, how can we help, How 644 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: can we help? We better establish a vehicle quickly. So 645 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: he helped organize a go fund me for all four families. 646 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: This little gesture is the best UH we can do. 647 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 1: Before we sign off, I want to say blessed Veteran's Day. 648 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: My dad turned down a basketball scholarship to enlist early 649 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: in line about his age to get into the Navy. 650 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: He was suddenly shipped across the world, far away from 651 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: home for the very first time, and he fought for 652 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: his country. Matt Grace, my father in law as well, 653 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: chut wench battling for his country. Without them, where would 654 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: we be to all veterans? God bless you and God 655 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: bless America. Nancy Grace crime Story signing off, good bye friend,