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Speaker 3: I received an email from a fellow that said, years ago,

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Speaker 3: your show assisted us in the death of our marine son,

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Speaker 3: Corporal Joseph Joey Logan. I recently released a book, Fishing

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Speaker 3: with Joey, which details our three month cross country fishing

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Speaker 3: a gold Star family member. Thank you for considering this

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Speaker 3: and of course for your previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely,

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Speaker 3: Palm Logan, Willis, Texas. Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 4: Tom, Thank you very much and an honor. And you

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Speaker 3: I just can't understand them, and that is because I

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Speaker 4: Joey was always that a personality. He had the opinion

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Speaker 1: All right. Tom Logan is our guest. The book is

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Speaker 4: Where I can't believe he just said that happens to

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Speaker 1: Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Green Corporal Joey Logan.

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Speaker 3: Was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash.

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Speaker 3: Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across

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Speaker 3: And he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me

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Speaker 3: I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was.

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Speaker 1: Hold on just a second. The book is called Fishing

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Speaker 4: It's all. Like I say, we were at home the

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Speaker 4: I might sound like I got a brain half the time,

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Speaker 3: Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment.

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Speaker 3: Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing

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Speaker 3: with Joey.

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Speaker 1: This is not a war story.

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Speaker 3: This is a story about grief and dealing with it

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Speaker 1: It to that level coming up.

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Speaker 3: Joy and the girls all get pretty closing time when

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Speaker 1: Make memories, folks, and you still can. You just don't know.

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Speaker 3: HPD officer Tom Logan had retired after twenty eight years

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Speaker 3: He's headed off his dad and he go on a

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Speaker 3: You can find it on Amazon or at any bookstore

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Speaker 4: Book, Tom, Yeah, it's on Amazon. You see quick on

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Speaker 3: You are you are a five star gold star Dad.

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Speaker 3: I think it's fantastic that out of this grief you

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Speaker 4: Oh that was that's that's another miracle. I mean, Joey

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Speaker 4: Libby Montana, and that's when I think he fell in

437
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Speaker 4: love with Montana and he just talked about it, talked

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Speaker 4: about a matter of fact, Daniel Borrow, the pilot, was

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Speaker 4: from Montana, so I think they both had conversations about

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Speaker 4: Montana while they're flying and hanging out together. So Joey's

441
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 4: last phone call home that morning I was telling you

442
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 4: about earlier was all about buying property in Montana, building

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Speaker 4: cabins for his Marine Corps buds to come back and

444
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 4: just decompress and relax and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, that night, we got the call

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Speaker 4: and Debbie, my wife, said we need to do this

447
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Speaker 4: for Joey. That's his legacy. I'm like, Dad, it's really

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00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: hard for me to go back and retrace all those

449
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Speaker 4: places and all the memories were well up, and she said, oh,

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Speaker 4: we're doing it. So we ended up getting into We

451
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Speaker 4: went in a Toyota Corolla and drove all the way

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Speaker 4: back to Montana, talked to a couple of real estate

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Speaker 4: agents and we finally found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty five acres four miles up on

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Speaker 4: a mountain road in the middle of Lolo National Forest

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Speaker 4: and Lolo National Force. Surrounding our property is three thousand,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty square miles of Montana Idaho wilderness.

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Speaker 4: So's it's it's unbelievable that that happened. There's no there's

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Speaker 4: no possible way unless the hand of God just guided

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Speaker 4: is right to the place. And from there, we started

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Speaker 4: building six cabins and one in honor of each of

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Speaker 4: our fallen marines, and we've got five out of six

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00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 4: up and running. We've got one more to put up,

464
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 4: and our goal is to get our combat veterans and

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Speaker 4: disabled veterans up there and let them enjoy what Joey

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Speaker 4: and I enjoyed and what we love and beautifuls off

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Speaker 4: the grid. A lot of times there's no cell phone

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00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 4: or internet reception, so you've got to enjoy your surroundings.

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Speaker 4: You can't be on the phone round the laptop, you know,

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00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 4: connecting with the real world. And that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 4: Disconnect and relax and look at the stars at night,

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00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 4: look at the wilderness, go on a height. The Clark

473
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: Fork River is right down the mountain below us, and

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00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 4: there's fishing there kayaking, canoeing, all kinds outdoor activity. So

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Speaker 4: if you love the outdoors, it's a perfect place to

476
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Speaker 4: bring yourself, your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy, and your families

477
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Speaker 4: because we want to have a family orient because when

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00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 4: guys come back from the deployment, they're disconnected. They never

479
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 4: leave the war, and their families suffer. Their kids suffer,

480
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Speaker 4: their wife suffer. People don't understand the PTSD and everything

481
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: else that is wrapped up in their minds, plus the

482
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: physical physical injuries. It's a really hard road to tow.

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Speaker 4: Matter of fact, I'm going to a PTSD meeting every

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Speaker 4: Tuesday at the Messodist Church in the Woodlands strictly for

485
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Speaker 4: combat PTSD veterans, and I guess I got grief. Grief

486
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: and PTSD tomet same things because all we do is

487
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: think about what happened. It's hard, it's hard to hard

488
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Speaker 4: to process. So that's why we're up there in Montana

489
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 4: and we do it seasonally from end of May until

490
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: October before the snow starts hitting again. That we're back

491
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 4: to Texas working and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of

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Speaker 3: America and residential facility called Camp Hope.

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Speaker 4: And that's yeah, that's that's where these guys come from.

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Speaker 4: Camp Hope. Yeah, And I'm gonna I'm gonna go probably

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Speaker 4: hopefully this week or actually do a tour with them

498
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: and talk to their management up there and see if

499
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Speaker 4: they can figure out how to send a group of

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Speaker 4: guys up there.

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Speaker 3: Just a just a that's what I think. That's what

502
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: I was thinking. What a neat deal. One hundred and

503
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Speaker 3: sixty four acres next to the Lolo National Forest in

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Speaker 3: Montana and soon to be six cabins five so far.

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Speaker 3: That's uh, you know that that is really that's incredible.

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Speaker 3: That y'all have been able to pull that off is incredible.

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Speaker 3: Two police officers and able to make this a reality.

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Speaker 1: Is man, It's just.

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Speaker 3: It's it really is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I have about a minute left.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you share with us how you deal with

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Speaker 3: what has to be crippling.

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Speaker 1: Grief? Have you learned some things that you can share

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Speaker 1: on that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that I think that's the basic reason for

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Speaker 4: the book. I want to share what I do and

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Speaker 4: with other gold Star families all over the country, all

518
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 4: over the world, and it's finding something positive every day,

519
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 4: something that makes you happy. Relive the good memories and

520
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: bad memories will always be there. But take it upon

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00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: yourself to enjoy every minute of your life. Enjoy your family,

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00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: your children, and the people that surround you that are

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00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: good people, and make it a celebration of their lives.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's what it's all about, as far as

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00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 4: I'm concerned, And every every day I get up, I've

526
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: got so many hobbies with the outdoors and hunting and

527
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: fishing and stuff like that. And I was working with

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00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: Healing Water for a while, helping them build fly rods

529
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: or disabled vets and fishing and stuff like that. So

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Speaker 4: I always get involved with a like minded group and

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Speaker 4: people that they love their kids as much as we

532
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: love ours.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for telling your story. Thank you for your

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Speaker 3: family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey