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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, October fifteenth, and we

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Speaker 2: are so glad you're here, because yes, we have a

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Speaker 2: stack night of headlines. So pull up a chair if

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Speaker 2: because listen, we have a lot to get through. Virginia Goofrey.

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Speaker 2: You remember her, She's the victim of Jeffrey Epstein. She

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Speaker 2: claims to have been sex trafficked by Epstein. Angilaine Maxwell

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Speaker 2: to Prince Andrew, you'll remember when she was seventeen years old.

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Speaker 2: She took her own life back in April and has

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Speaker 2: a memoir coming out and excerpts have been now released,

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Speaker 2: and there's some really shocking things also in the Idaho

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Speaker 2: student murders. Yet again, Brian Coberger also making some headlines

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Speaker 2: with some new developments about who would have been on

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Speaker 2: his witness list And at this point do we all

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Speaker 2: still care? Do we still care? I guess is the question.

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Speaker 2: And then this you know pop star David who we've

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Speaker 2: been talking about night after night after night, still not named.

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Speaker 2: The suspect, still not a person of interest. Interestingly, the

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Speaker 2: home where he was renting, where his tesla was parked

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Speaker 2: body of beautiful Celestirievus found in his trunk. The homeowner

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Speaker 2: has hired their own private investigator and some are curious

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Speaker 2: what that would suggest. And then later in the show

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Speaker 2: we have Sheina Scarborough back and we're so glad that

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Speaker 2: she's here to talk about some new developments in her

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Speaker 2: daughter's case. You know, she lost her daughter, Shrawde, and

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Speaker 2: you know, Chardet's been in our hearts and she's going

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Speaker 2: to she's going to share with us a little about

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Speaker 2: what she's doing in her honor at Chadai's Voice Foundation.

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Speaker 2: So we're really looking forward to having her here, ladies.

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's a ton to get to. We

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Speaker 2: also have quite a bit of talkbacks coming through, so

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Speaker 2: thank you for those. We really want you to join

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Speaker 2: the conversation eight eight eight three one Crime and the talkbacks,

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Speaker 2: we just love them, keep them coming.

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Speaker 3: Taha gets so excited the guys get so excited. We

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's great to get the dms.

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Speaker 3: We really do love those as well, but boy, is

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Speaker 3: it even better to hear your voice.

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Speaker 2: So keep them coming. We're going to jump right into

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Speaker 2: this new development in terms of Virginia Gufray's memoir. You know,

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Speaker 2: a post death memoir is unusual, and you know many

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Speaker 2: have been waiting for this. You know, some of these

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Speaker 2: details we know because she was the lead victim in

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Speaker 2: the Epstein case. You'll remember her. She's like the blue

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Speaker 2: and the photograph with Prince Andrew, that famous photo of

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Speaker 2: the famous photo. That's right, And according to the BBC,

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Speaker 2: Buckingham Palace has not given any comments on the issue.

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Speaker 2: But you know, she's saying some difficult things to hear,

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Speaker 2: really painting a picture about what it was like to

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Speaker 2: kind of be be sort of wooed away from mar

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Speaker 2: He was you know mar A Lago in West Palm Beach,

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Speaker 2: the very Gigi Hotel. Virginia Gufray's father was a lands

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Speaker 2: at some point during that job she was introduced to

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Speaker 4: But these are worth hearing, and boy, they really make

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the playbook, especially an elder who's giving

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Speaker 2: iq of it's cool, It's totally cool. This is what

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Speaker 4: and that was nearly three times as old.

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Speaker 3: That's the one I was going to talk about. Oh,

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Speaker 3: she said, it says here, say hello to mister Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 3: Maxwell instructed. But before I could do so, the man

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when you're at that age too, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Right, And here's a great example of how why Galaine

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Speaker 2: She Now that would be called grooming, right, So that

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Speaker 2: There was one This one breaks my heart.

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Speaker 4: I mean, all of it is unbelievably touching, but she

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Speaker 4: writes from the start, I was groomed to be complicit

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Speaker 4: in my own devastation. Of all the terrible wounds they inflicted,

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Speaker 4: that force complicity was the most destructive. I was about

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Speaker 4: to spend more than two years in Epstein and Maxwell's orbit,

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Speaker 4: my job to do whatever they asked, whenever they asked it.

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Speaker 4: There were no bars on the windows or locks in

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's very real for many many people. You know,

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Speaker 4: Right, And back to what you had said earlier, Stephanie,

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Speaker 4: that force complicity was the most destructive. So knowing that

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Speaker 2: I'm Courtney.

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Speaker 4: I'm here with Stephanie and Body and we're talking about Epstein,

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Speaker 4: survivor of Virginia Gruffrey. Her book, her memoir is coming

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Speaker 4: out posthumously and if you have any thoughts, we do

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Speaker 4: three one crime. And did you guys see what Virginia

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Speaker 2: Let's can you read it?

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Speaker 4: So this was literally just weeks before her death, and

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Speaker 4: she wrote, the content of this book is crucial prative

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Speaker 4: that the truth is understood and that the issues surrounding

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Speaker 4: and awareness. In the event of my passing, I would

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Speaker 4: like to ensure that nobody's girl is still released passing, yes,

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Speaker 2: Now that could be interpreted to ways. You know, you

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Speaker 2: was taken out because why would she take her own life.

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Speaker 2: She's writing this memoir, she's seeing justice. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: she really did put herself out there. Why now, you know,

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Speaker 2: or partners in non crime, Body move In and Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 6: Hi, my name is Carla.

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Speaker 2: Just wanted to say I love the show.

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Speaker 6: First thing I listened to every morning.

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Speaker 7: Adding to the Brian.

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Speaker 3: actions so that the judge or the jury may consider

432
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Speaker 3: a lesser sentence. So not only was she going to

433
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: be prosecuted or a witness for the state, she was

434
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: going to be called in as a mitigation witness. And

435
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: those witnesses usually happen during sentencing or penalty phases.

436
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: That's very interesting, that is first of all, I'd never

437
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: heard that. Yeah, it's like a witness.

438
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 3: He was my brother in let's ri I'm making I'm

439
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: making this up, so please understand, I'm making this up.

440
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: He was my brother and the babysitter abused him. She should, right,

441
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: So was she going to be a hostile witness?

442
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: Do we know for the state?

443
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: Not that, not that I know of. I mean, we

444
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: have no idea.

445
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: Just okay, Yeah, to be put in though, I fier

446
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 2: they have a very nice family. He has a very

447
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: lovely family by all accounts. You know, to be a

448
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: family member connected to this is its own nightmare. Yeah,

449
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: and of itself. And again that's not to minimize anything

450
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: that the victims' families are going through, of course. But

451
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: we talked about the ripple effect, right right.

452
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: This ripple effect has affected the Coburgers one hundred percent.

453
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: Now it's although it's important to note that in twenty fourteen,

454
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 3: Brian Coberger's father called the police because Amanda, the sister

455
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: that got called to be a witness, got her phone

456
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: stolen by Brian and he was arrested during this this thing.

457
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: So maybe she was coming to tell the state about

458
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: this burglary, right, and there was this history of you know, well,

459
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: I should say alleged history of burglary. And we know

460
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: that Brian Coberger was studying sexual burglary in particular at WSU,

461
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: so it might have been to give the jury background

462
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: history on his crimes.

463
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: Amanda also a bummer or is it just Dad was like,

464
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: I'll you know which we've you know, see parents do.

465
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach you a lesson, and you know,

466
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: kind of it's like, you know, when you don't make

467
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: her a few if you're my mom, she calls the cops,

468
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: you know, so you roll up to scare some sense

469
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: and users, you know, for being a few bits late.

470
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, mom, you know. So is it that kind

471
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: of just an extreme parenting tool maybe or or is

472
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: there something there there? It's hard to know. I feel

473
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: for the family on all sides of this, so and

474
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

475
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

476
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: Am I confused by my own interest I guess it's.

477
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: Confused by my own interest too, I really am. But

478
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: you know this, this is something that we're just We're

479
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: not going to have answers. I don't think anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: This is true Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm Boddy Moving

481
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: and I'm here with court Armstrong and Stephanie Leidegger, and

482
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: we are talking about Brian Coberger. We want to hear

483
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: from you. Give us a call. Eighty eight thirty one Crime, Courtney,

484
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: what do you got?

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00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 6: Well?

486
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 4: I have Speaking of the families, I have an update

487
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 4: on the Consoalvest family, the family of Kaylee Gonsalves, the victim,

488
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: one of four victims.

489
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: They're expressing anger.

490
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: They are expressing frustration over an upcoming Lifetime movie that

491
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 4: is about Coberger's crimes. This project was announced without their

492
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: consent and it's titled The Idaho Murders.

493
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: An actor named Miles Mary has.

494
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: Been cast to portray Brian Coberger in the film, and

495
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 4: he looks just like him. Miles Yes, Miles Mary, as

496
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: in Merry Christmas. The Consalvast family among other victims, relatives

497
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: that were not consulted or even notified before the public announcement,

498
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 4: and Hayley gonsolved as a sister Olivia, who you may

499
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: remember from being a powerhouse. During the victim's statements, she

500
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: voiced strong frustration. She said, her sister, the other victims

501
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 4: are quote not a lifetime movie. She condemned the scripted dramatization,

502
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: and Kaylee's father, Steve Gonsalvez, who has been very out

503
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: in the press, and you know, under understandably he expressed

504
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 4: dismay and he feels that the film steals their personal

505
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: tragedy without their input.

506
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 3: Hmmm. Yeah, you know, I'm not really interested in dramatization

507
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: of this personally. I you know, documentaries are one thing,

508
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: but these, you know, drama entertainment, scripted TV shows, I

509
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: really no interest in personally.

510
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: Well for me, for me, it's without the family's consent.

511
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: So for example, Amanda Knox, who was on here memorably

512
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: and inspirationally, she was deeply involved.

513
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: That was a movie.

514
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: I think that's a horse of a different eye color.

515
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: It's different, that's totally different. But you know, all of

516
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 4: these families to be you know, scrolling on their phone

517
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: or flipping through the channels and just just see this

518
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 4: and have not been informed. Seems not even being informed.

519
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: Seen that's the crazy part. To not even let them

520
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: know that is that even possible?

521
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: I feel like it kind of you know, would have

522
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: to or maybe they declined to participate.

523
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: What they're saying, they didn't know about it, so I

524
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: mean they didn't. That doesn't sound like a declining as

525
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 5: much as like, I mean.

526
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 3: What legally, I mean, what obligation does like a production

527
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: company have I had? Yeah, I don't think, right, I

528
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: mean they can tell the story. It's they can tell

529
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: whatever story they want. Yeah, yeah, and it speaks to

530
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: the fascination piece.

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Speaker 5: You know, that makes you think they probably do it

532
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 5: from the perspective of Brian more so even than the family.

533
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 5: If they didn't even consult the family, they're probably leaning

534
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: in that direction.

535
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: I think that's probably your right, Taha, that's probably what

536
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: they're going to do. Because whenever there's these you know, shows,

537
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: it's typically focused on the killer. And that's long That's

538
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: been a long criticism of true crime in general. Right,

539
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: it often focuses on the killer and rather than you know,

540
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: uplifting and talking about the victims.

541
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: That's so true, and leaving them as a footnote.

542
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 4: And that's why again there are differences when family members

543
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: want to participate, and it's often the reason that they

544
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: want the story told is that they want their family member,

545
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: their loved one, to be remembered for who they wear their.

546
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: Entire lives versus this one the moment, darkest moment, right, And.

547
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: I think also, you know, you guys were talking about

548
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: the fascination, because it isn't there's nothing settled, there's nothing closed,

549
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: it's four lives.

550
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: It's just it's horrible.

551
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: So of course that's the holidays, was it po I

552
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, I think that's part of it

553
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: because I was in an old tale after the other.

554
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: I don't know what all there is a fascination though, Yeah,

555
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 4: I mean I don't know what the answer.

556
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: I don't think any answer is going to be satisfying. Yeah, right,

557
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: I just don't listen. We've covered the Epstein stuff.

558
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: Now, going to talk a little bit about this pop

559
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: star David and some new developments there as well, and

560
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: also later in the show. Make sure you stay with

561
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: us because Shade Robinson's mother is here again. She's joining

562
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: back with us. She anda Scarborough to talk about the

563
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: great work she's doing on her daughter's behalf and give

564
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: us some updates on the case as well. So more

565
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: on that to come. But first up, body, let's discuss

566
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: if it's give me you know.

567
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: Where do you want Simmons. Yeah, So this case was

568
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: brought to us by Michael Bryant. Right, He's been reporting

569
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: on this for a while. He's remarkable, by the way,

570
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: if you need any information, he's just such a trove

571
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 3: of information and you can find him at just as

572
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: served on YouTube. So Kelly Fitsimmons, she is the Massachusetts

573
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: a police officer. So this happened in North Andover, Massachusetts.

574
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: A police officer became a suspect. Right when fellow officers

575
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: arrived to serve Kelsey Fitzsimmons with the restraining order from

576
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: her fiance, the situation exploded. This is just a little

577
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: background history. Moments later, she was shot in the chest

578
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: by one of her own so prosecutors said they she

579
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: tried to fire on police, and she insists that she

580
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: was suicidal, not violent. She insists she was pointing a

581
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: gun at herself, not the police officer, but the police

582
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: officer says otherwise. And by the way, there's no body cams. Okay,

583
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: So that's keep that in mind. Number one problem number one.

584
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: So now she's charged with assault by means of a

585
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 3: dangerous weapon. Her badge has been suspended and her freedom

586
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: stripped away from her after a judge ruled she violated

587
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: bail not because she drank, but because her injuries made

588
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: it impossible to blow into a breath monitor. So here's

589
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: what happened. Her fiance wanted to get a restraining order.

590
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: It was granted. The police went to go serve it,

591
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: and Kelsey Fitzsimmons said, okay, let me pack a bag

592
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: because she needed to pack a bag and get the baby.

593
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 3: You know, she just had a baby ready to get

594
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: transferred to his father, and she's doing all this and

595
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: she said she was going to grab the gun and

596
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: kill herself, but the UH cop said that she pointed

597
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: the gun at him. He shot her in the chest.

598
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: She spent many days, many many many days in the hospital,

599
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: I think fifty something days in the hospital, gets released

600
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: and goes right to jail, and while she's in jail,

601
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: they she gets out on bail, but she has to

602
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: blow into this like breathalyzer test because she had some

603
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: alcohol problems and she can't because of she got shot

604
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: in the chest, because her breathing has been costed medical speaking, correct,

605
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: correct now. They gave her nine tests this blow thing.

606
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: She passed eight of them, but not the ninth one, like,

607
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: couldn't it's too painful. The blood alcohol level was not triggered.

608
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: She physically could not blow into the device that would

609
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: check her blood level.

610
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 4: Understand And when Michael Bryant was explaining this, I really

611
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 4: I'm like my eyre rises thinking about this judge who

612
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: seems unconscionable when you know, medical experts have said, you know,

613
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: she had a chest and she was shot in the chest.

614
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 2: She can't blow this thing physically, right, So they were

615
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: going there for like a routine hearing and then yeah,

616
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: he just like the judge rights.

617
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: So there was this emergency petition for appeal on this

618
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: decision to put her back in jail because they're trying

619
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: to come up with alternate solutions for her to do

620
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: these tests, and today it was denied. That is what

621
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Speaker 3: they said.

622
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: She's They said she's too much of a danger. And

623
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: how is the connection is there is I'm remembering this incorrectly.

624
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: There was a connection to Karen Reid's.

625
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: Story, don't I don't know if there's a connection specifically

626
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: to Karen Reid. It's just in the same area.

627
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: Just the location itself is in the same locations.

628
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: The connection, right, because I know he was here in

629
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: like a Massachusetts night and he was yeah, Michael, Michael,

630
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: and where Michael Proctor or any of those police officers

631
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: anywhere involved in this.

632
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: There was no crossover, not.

633
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: That I know of, but it's worth looking at to

634
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: see because I saw a tweet today actually that said

635
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: Kelsey Fitzsimmons is the new Karen Reid.

636
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: So maybe there is something there that I'm just not sure. Yeah,

637
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: I think that's might be what it is.

638
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, people in that area are just traumatized, I think

639
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: because this was in North Andover. Yeah, North Andover, that's right.

640
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: And so you know, she's she's back in jail. She's

641
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: still in jail, and she's going to remain there until

642
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: they figure out what to do. The judges orders it

643
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: says this the judge did not commit an error of

644
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: law or otherwise abuse for discretion. Accordingly, it is ordered

645
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: that the petition be and the same hereby is denied

646
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: without a hearing. So the argument here is that the

647
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Speaker 3: judge is being extra hard on her given that the

648
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: person shot at was one of them and law enforcement.

649
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 10: But so was she.

650
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Speaker 3: But it's my interview that's true. That's a good point, So.

651
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: Why are we turning on So that kind of diffuses

652
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: that theory in my opinion. They both were both law

653
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: enforcement and by the way, they were both buds. You know,

654
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: there was that backstory.

655
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: They had this very prolific case that was very tragic

656
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: involving a child's death if I'm remembering correctly, and you

657
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: know they were.

658
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: They were buds. They were buds because they were in

659
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Speaker 2: a cup car together all day. You've seen the movie.

660
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, you get you develop a real partnership. So

661
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: this is a tough spot for both of them. And

662
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: what a standoff because it seems as though they had

663
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Speaker 2: a strong relationship prior to this incident.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. So they're trying to come out. Her attorney's

665
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: trying to determine if there's other mechanics that she can

666
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Speaker 3: do to you know, complete these tests for the judge.

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Speaker 9: I guess she has.

668
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 3: I guess she has to do them. If they release

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Speaker 3: her on bail. She has to do these tests like

670
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Speaker 3: once a day, and she's willing to do them again.

671
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Speaker 3: She passed eight out of nine and she's been in

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Speaker 3: jail for I think a month. She might have healed

673
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Speaker 3: more now, she might be able to do nine. She might,

674
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like she every day she

675
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Speaker 3: heals a little bit more, right. I just think it's

676
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Speaker 3: crazy that she's in jail because she has basically a

677
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Speaker 3: disability at the moment. That's why she's in jail.

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Speaker 2: Based on the crime that she's being associated with that's

679
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: putting her in jail in the first place. And just

680
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: for the correction too, just like to make sure we're

681
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: you know, she didn't fail the night. She just couldn't

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Speaker 2: take the night well.

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Speaker 3: She it was an incomplete reading, right, so the end

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Speaker 3: that that's all I know. It's an incomplete reading. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she ran out of breath or

686
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: it was too painful to complete, or you know whatnot,

687
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Speaker 3: but it was an.

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00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: Incomplete reading with a collapsed lung.

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Speaker 3: That I think. That's my I'm surprised she could do eight. Yeah,

690
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 3: you know, so there it's really got people a little

691
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: hot under the collar. You know that this is you know,

692
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: probably a you know, I'm going to say a war

693
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: on women in some sense, because you know, she's obviously

694
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: was struggling with postpartum depression. She was feeling suicidal. Now,

695
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: it wasn't the smartest thing to do to grab a

696
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: gun in front of a cop, though, let's be real.

697
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: I mean that's not the smartest thing to do.

698
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: No, that's absolutely very inappropriate thing to do.

699
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean she obviously just wasn't in her

700
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: right mind, right, she just wasn't in her right and

701
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: I don't think she pulled the trigger. I think she

702
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: was going to on herself. And of course the cop responded,

703
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: you know, if he thought his life was in danger, right,

704
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: he responded appropriately. So well, yeah, complicated the update there,

705
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: it's hard to be it is it is. I'm sure

706
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: it is, you know, I don't know. So, Yeah, she's

707
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: lost her bade, she's in jail. Obviously, her the baby

708
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: is with the father, the man she was you know

709
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: with that was going to beginning us restraining order. But yeah,

710
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: that's where it's at. Sad.

711
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, this is true crime.

712
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Speaker 4: Tonight, we are on iHeartRadio and we've been talking about

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00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: Kelsey Fitzsimmons. We will continue to update you on that

714
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 4: case as it unfolds, and give us a call. We

715
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 4: would love to hear from you eight at eight to

716
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Speaker 4: three one Crime. And speaking of hearing from.

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Speaker 2: You, we have a talk back.

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Speaker 9: Hi, guys.

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Speaker 10: I just love listening to you all. Every single day.

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00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 9: I listen to you guys while I work out, while

721
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 9: I'm commuting just as much as I can, and I

722
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Speaker 9: missed whenever I don't get to listen.

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Speaker 8: But I just want to say I absolutely love body's

724
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 8: adoration for Joseph Scott Morgan and I can go along

725
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Speaker 8: with the allegedly allegedly allegedly.

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00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 11: And true crime and chill merchandise.

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Speaker 1: We definitely need a Forensic Daddy shirt and the burnt Fire.

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Speaker 10: Thanks guys, good night.

729
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: I love it Forensics Daddy to open a store for

730
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Speaker 3: all these these amazing merchandise.

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Speaker 2: The vests and the and the daddy.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we didn't need merchandise. We have to one.

733
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Speaker 3: I love the idea of like the three of us

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Speaker 3: on the T shirt and we're posing like stuff. You're

735
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 3: in the middle and you've got like the blonde feathered

736
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Speaker 3: hair Courtney's like, you know, holding a gun with the

737
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: side like this, and Joseph and taha as like Charlie,

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Speaker 3: you know we've all got.

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Speaker 2: The feathered Yes, yes, I love it. I love it,

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Speaker 2: and you too sort of.

741
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Speaker 3: Yea, I would love it.

742
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: Side boo boo.

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00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, just did a T shirt idea. But it's a

744
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 5: little racy, so that's a lot of I think you

745
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 5: should make shirts T shirts for women. And then on

746
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Speaker 5: the top it says stacked night of headlines.

747
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Speaker 2: I don't know how well I could fill it out,

748
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Speaker 2: but I love the idea. I wish I was a stack,

749
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Speaker 2: but me too, so that Victoria's secrets, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the talk.

751
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 9: Thank you, and I do.

752
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: I adore Joseph Scott Morgan, you're here. He's just so

753
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 3: approachable and he's a professor, so he's like he loves

754
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 3: to teach people. And he doesn't treat me. He treats

755
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: me like you know, I'm smart too, And it makes

756
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: me feel good, you know what I mean? Like, well, no,

757
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: I know, I just I'm just saying he just makes

758
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Speaker 3: me feel good.

759
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: He's wonderful. I still I blush.

760
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: I get so uncomfortable with any and I know people

761
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 4: I have seen it myself I have seen women in

762
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 4: droves crushing on him. Oh yeah, I like understand it intellectually,

763
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: but I'm he's.

764
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: Like a brother, right, yeah exactly.

765
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I guys, I feel makes me say.

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00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: Can I say when I say forensics daddy, it's not sexual,

767
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: it's like a admiration. It's like an admiration thing. Yeah,

768
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I call brian Eton news daddy. It's not

769
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Speaker 3: sexual napacity.

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00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: By the way, When I first met Joseph and Courtney

771
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: as my witness, it was a phone call. I forgetting

772
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: what the circumstance was, why we were connected, but it

773
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: was going to be like a twenty minute call and

774
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: we were perfect strangers. And I like cleared two hours

775
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: from that point forward. I like cleared my schedule because

776
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: he was so interesting. He's this person. He was talking

777
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: about bone inhalation and some of the darkest, wildest things

778
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: and edge of my seat and he's so comforting as

779
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: he talks about very important sacred forensics things. And I

780
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: hook line and sinker, are you you know, can you

781
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 2: sit down for an interview tomorrow? And so it began.

782
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: He was on our dog Murdered and missing in Montana.

783
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 2: We featured him in like pretty much instantly.

784
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 10: Wow.

785
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was such a source and he's been

786
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: on everything ever since.

787
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: But Stephanie does not exaggerate. Literally, she hung up that

788
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 4: phone call. She then picked up and called and said,

789
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 4: I just met the most interesting man in the world,

790
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: and then she went off on the bone inhalation.

791
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: I remember it very specifically. And here we are many

792
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: years later. There are years and years and years later.

793
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's become family. His wife is like family.

794
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, we just can't say enough about him. Frankly,

795
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 2: and we have another talk back. Maybe it's Joseph High team.

796
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 7: This is Alicia from Anna by way of the Bronx.

797
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 7: I finally build up the nerve to do a talk

798
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 7: back and get out of the DM. But I just

799
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Speaker 7: want to say I love your entirely and I just

800
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 7: want to put a bug in everyone's air live tour

801
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 7: and if you ever consider, I need you guys to

802
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 7: come to Atlanta first. And I called Jibs on first row.

803
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: What a great voice.

804
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 10: I love.

805
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Speaker 3: I love Atlanta. Hot Atlanta. Here we come, face hot

806
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 3: Land me some I want some. I want some Southern food.

807
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, we're coming. I would love that.

808
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: And congrats on sliding out of the d MS. I

809
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 4: think it was like the second show we ever did,

810
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 4: and I really don't do social media at all, and

811
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Speaker 4: I made some weird joke. I'm like, oh, slide into

812
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Speaker 4: my GMS. It'll be so sexy. I didn't even know

813
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Speaker 4: what I was talking about. So I'm so happy you

814
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: slid out of them and into the talk.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to come to Atlanta Voice too, So yeah,

816
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: I guess it does take some hurrige to leave a

817
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: talk but it's like, remember how we're nervous.

818
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: We were like, oh my god, we're going to be live,

819
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: so nervous it's daunting to leave a talk back, I

820
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 2: can imagine.

821
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Speaker 3: But she sounded great. It was wonderful, and you could.

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Speaker 2: I think we record them too. I don't know. This

823
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: is when I get like I should stay out of

824
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: the convo. But I'm told from Adam and Sam with

825
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: such great confidence that you can just you know, what

826
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Speaker 2: can we do?

827
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Speaker 3: They can they can listen to it, and they can

828
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: listen to record. If they don't like it, everybody thinks

829
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: they sound terrible, and they don't. Everybody does, like I

830
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: cannot even listen to myself, like it's of course neither

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Speaker 3: can I. I A'll never come to work the next day.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's also because none of us humans.

833
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 4: We don't hear ourselves because of the way our you know,

834
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: our ears are, we do not when we actually hear

835
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Speaker 4: what our voice sounds like.

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Speaker 2: It's completely foreign to what our voice sounds like to us.

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Speaker 2: Right that, Well, listen if you've missed any of the

838
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: first hour, no stress at all, because you could always

839
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: catch us as a podcast soon after. But listen, we're

840
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: going to come right back because we have more talkbacks

841
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: to get to. I might add David the pop star,

842
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: and then we have Shade Robinson's mom with us, so

843
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: that and much more, stay with us. Welcome back to

844
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We've been talking true crime

845
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: all the time. Like I said earlier, if you missed

846
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Speaker 2: any of the first hour, please check us out as

847
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: a podcast. Were so appreciating you downloading the iHeartRadio app

848
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: and either catching it as a podcast or leave it

849
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: as a talkback. We have several coming up, I'm told,

850
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: and also to go back to our last one. I

851
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Speaker 2: don't know, ladies, what do you think the live tour?

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00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what that totally entails.

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Speaker 4: But well, I say, it would be such a joy

854
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 4: and a pleasure to meet the people we are hearing from,

855
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 4: because everyone truly has been awesome, so smart and like

856
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 4: supportive and giving us more information if we're wondering out

857
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 4: loud and helping shape the show. So that part would

858
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 4: be awesome. I'm going to Atlanta as well, would be great.

859
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 4: I need some Atlanta grits.

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Speaker 2: I have had a bad time in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: I've always had fun and I've only been our twice,

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Speaker 3: but it was I went to Savannah. Savannah's amazing to Savannah.

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Speaker 3: Savena's really cool. It's like kind of like a college town,

864
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: a little bit fun. But I was in college when

865
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: I went there. But maybe we can meet some people

866
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: at crime con if we got a crime con Savannah.

867
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the open table conversation. Yeah, I'm into it.

868
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: So what a nice talk back. Thank you for thank

869
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: you for frank, you for the kind words, and thank

870
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: you for listening. We have another talkback right now.

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Speaker 11: Hello, it's Aliah and BC. I was just listening to

872
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 11: talk back tuesdam all in the day behind. But you

873
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 11: were mentioning maybe cleft got into the trunk herself but

874
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 11: wasn't she in a bag and wasn't she missing a head?

875
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 11: So I don't believe she would have gotten into a

876
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 11: bag into the trunk without her head by herself. Did

877
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 11: I miss something?

878
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, By the way, thank goodness you leave the talkbacks,

879
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: because you see how this could be read without the intonation,

880
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: it wouldn't totally the same way. What are they talking about?

881
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed by the way. So wait, so is the

882
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: question like maybe that we and we said that maybe

883
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: she got into the car. I think that was probably

884
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: me saying it facetiously, like what you think she got

885
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: in the car on her own and put herself in

886
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: a bag and in the trunk. But that just goes

887
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: to show sometimes you know, it doesn't land as intended.

888
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: So thank goodness you left this talkback, and you're right

889
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: totally agree, knowing she denies that she got into the

890
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: front on her own.

891
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: Or put herself in the bag. In fact, to me,

892
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: it would suggest foul play.

893
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: And I guess that's why we're so obsessed with answers

894
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: in this case as well. Why are we not getting

895
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: answers because.

896
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: We're still they still don't know how she died. I

897
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: mean this is what I'm thinking. They don't know how

898
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: she died. They're hoping Talx is going to tell them,

899
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: and from there they're going to be able to determine

900
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: what kind of charges can be brought, if any, right,

901
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: if any?

902
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

903
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: This has seeming like it's dragging. I feel like I

904
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: say the same thing like a broken record. It's been

905
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: a month in like crickets, it's been like five weeks.

906
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: So apparently the homeowner is also getting a little frustrated.

907
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: So the home again, David, he was renting this.

908
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: Home, right, twenty thousand dollars a month, right, twenty thousand

909
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: dollars a month. Well, he has hired a private investigator

910
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: to look into this, and his name is Steve Fisher,

911
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: the private investigator. And I know Steve Fishner. I'm Fisher.

912
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: I know him, and you know I have followed him

913
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: since Kylie Rodney's case. He worked on that.

914
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: He's done a lot of Rodney's case. I'm spacing.

915
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: Kylie Rodney was a girl that went missing. He specializes

916
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: in missing persons. Okay, so this is a specialty. And

917
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: by the way, he's found like thirty nine people. What

918
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: sense I mean, He's He's a phenomenal private investigator. He's

919
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: kind of controversial, but I think that's kind of why

920
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 3: I like him, you know, like why I get along

921
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 3: with him. He was controversial because like he just tells

922
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 3: you how it is, and even if you don't want

923
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: to hear it, he tells you how it is. You know,

924
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: any who he's found Since twenty twenty three, he's found

925
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 3: like thirty nine people. So he specializes in missing persons.

926
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: And Kylie Rodney was a girl who went to a

927
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: party and went missing and they found her her car

928
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: in a lake and she was in the car and

929
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: there was so in his drone footage was like, really,

930
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: you know, important in finding her in any event. He

931
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: specializes in private I'm sorry, in missing persons, which I

932
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 3: think is really an interesting approach to this. So Steve,

933
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: if you're listening, I'm wondering, is your approach going to

934
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 3: be victimology in this case? Because guess what Celeste was missing?

935
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 9: Right?

936
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: So is he going to take the approach of digging

937
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 3: into Celeste right, not in a bad way, not in

938
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: a you know, she did something wrong way, angel, but

939
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: like trying to figure out how she ended up in

940
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: that trunk? By doing some kind of assessment on how

941
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: she went missing, because, like I said, that's his specialty

942
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: is missing persons now, So I'm just wondering the angle.

943
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: I just would assume though, hearing that the homeowner where

944
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: David was renting for twenty thousand dollars a month prior

945
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: to leaving for poor and remember after his departure, Celeste

946
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: was found in the front of his car, wouldn't that

947
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 2: that suggests that the law that the landlord isn't feeling

948
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: very confident with the investigation, and that it's moving forward

949
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: in a manner that's appropriate if you're going to bring

950
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: in your own resources as a land lord, not an

951
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: uncle own landlord.

952
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: Why well, I mean, he knows probably just as much

953
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: as we do, right, Honestly, he probably knows just as

954
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 3: much as we do. And you know, he's got this

955
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: beautiful home that he probably wants to rent out again.

956
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: But if somebody was killed in there, you know he

957
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 3: needs to know this, right.

958
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I never even cur that never even

959
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: occurred to me.

960
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: Rent Maybe massive assumptions right now, like this is a

961
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: total assumption. I have zero inside knowledge, I promise, Like

962
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: if I did, I would spill it. No, of course,

963
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: but I'm assuming that you know, it has something to

964
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: do with was this girl murdered on his property? He

965
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: wants to know. I mean, that's not getting answers, right.

966
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: That's logical.

967
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 4: Again, we don't know anything as fact, but that certainly

968
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: makes logical sense.

969
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because we don't just know if David is

970
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: actually still residing in that location.

971
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: He's not as far as we know. Remember we saw

972
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: we reported got a few weeks ago. I think that

973
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: there were moovers moving things out of the home, so

974
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: he might want to like re rent this house, you know,

975
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: and I might need to know what did they find

976
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: in the dreams? You know?

977
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: Would you live a house? Would you move into a

978
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,479
Speaker 2: house that there was some sort of death or murder

979
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: that happened in it, even if it was a long

980
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: time ago, and it was, you know, a long time ago.

981
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 3: I don't think I would. I don't know. I don't

982
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think

983
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: I could.

984
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't believe I could either.

985
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 4: I know.

986
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: In some states question it is a very good question.

987
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: In some states you have to disclose that also hauntings

988
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 4: you have to disclose in some states.

989
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: Well, and speaking of which, by the way, we are

990
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: going to do haunting for Halloween, but I have we

991
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: have a couple of haunting stories that will haunt you

992
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: start accord.

993
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: Means anything I did, but people say they have. We'll

994
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: get to that Halloween week maybe. But back to this, Yeah,

995
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 3: I don't know that I could either, But yes, I

996
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: do think a realtor would have to disclose that information

997
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: if you were about to rent a place. But what

998
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 3: a bummer, if you know. I mean, yeah, I'm hoping.

999
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: I'm wishing Steve Fisher the best of luck in this case.

1000
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: I think he's going to I've never known him to

1001
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 3: work on a homicide case. Well, we don't know if

1002
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: it's I've never known him to work on this kind

1003
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: of case. Like I said, he specializes in missing persons,

1004
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: and he's found anybody lives in the area, and he's

1005
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: been following this from day one, So this is a

1006
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 3: new I think this is going to be a fresh

1007
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: perspective and hopefully he will find some answers.

1008
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: Wow, it sounds like it's track record's amazing. So there

1009
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 4: is another one that will obviously keep you updated on.

1010
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 4: So this is true crime Tonight. And we have been

1011
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 4: talking about Celeste Rebus and the fact that private investigator

1012
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 4: has been brought into the case. We'll see what comes

1013
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 4: to bear with that. We would love to hear from

1014
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 4: you eighty eight three to one crime slide out of

1015
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 4: our DMS and slide into our talk backs.

1016
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: So just give us a call in your sexy slid it. No,

1017
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: I get up to bears thinking about the DIMS DMS.

1018
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: I have other news.

1019
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 4: Amy Bradley's brother, his name is Brad. He is the

1020
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 4: brother of Amy Bradley, who vanished mysteriously from the Caribbean

1021
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 4: cruise ship in nineteen ninety eight. You guys may recall

1022
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 4: that there was a lot of attention from a recent

1023
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: Netflix docu series on Amy Bradley's missing, So that's what

1024
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 4: we're talking about. And Brad and the rest of the

1025
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 4: family have been looking for her since nineteen ninety eight,

1026
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 4: so for decades. He has publicly expressed skepticism as well

1027
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 4: as frustration because of recent leads that were reported in

1028
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 4: her disappear in case, Brad is stating that the family

1029
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: is unaware of their origins or validity, and this is

1030
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 4: something that we spoke about last night.

1031
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: It was widely. Yeah, but it was very widely put out.

1032
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 4: It was an it was a People magazine, it was

1033
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: the Hollywood Reporter, among many many outlets.

1034
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: So here is what brad has said.

1035
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 4: Again, he doesn't verify the new leads that were first

1036
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: reported by the Hollywood Reporter. He says he is unsure

1037
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 4: who provided the information to the media, and he said

1038
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 4: that he spoke with the reporter who dropped that article

1039
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 4: and said that I, myself and my family are all

1040
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 4: unaware with a source for that information that was provided

1041
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: to him.

1042
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: He goes on.

1043
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 4: He continued he denied any knowledge of the bartender, which

1044
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: again we spoke about this last night. Brad Bradley has

1045
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 4: no knowledge of the bartender who allegedly was a new

1046
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 4: source and who shouted send you Reita kidnapped. And he's

1047
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 4: saying that neither his family nor the investigator know who

1048
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 4: this woman is. He also wishes that certain details, such

1049
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 4: as the fact that IP addresses IP address activity tied

1050
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: to Amy's missing person website had not been made public

1051
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 4: as it complicates the family's efforts.

1052
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: Although I have a question that that.

1053
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 10: Was my question.

1054
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 3: That's a a documentary and I.

1055
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: Might be misremembering.

1056
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 4: I feel like brad might have been one to speak

1057
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 4: about it of tracking the ips.

1058
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: Right, that it was like happening. I believe during the

1059
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: holidays every year.

1060
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: That's correct, That's right. I remember it that way as well.

1061
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: Interesting, well, you know, so we did. Okay, I have

1062
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 3: a lot to say about this. I'm kind of stumbling

1063
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: over my words. I'm trying to say this is in

1064
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: the nicest way possible. I don't know that the family

1065
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: would be aware of every single tip that comes in,

1066
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 3: and they're not running the tip line, right, this is

1067
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: law enforcement, I would imagine. So I don't know that

1068
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: the family, and again with all due respect, would be

1069
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: familiar with every tip now unless unless they are running

1070
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: the tip line, which I don't recommend, but unless they

1071
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: are a way, I don't think that's I legally, you're

1072
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 3: not even a project cold case, So I'm not sure.

1073
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Even the tip line has to be vetted.

1074
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: That has to go directly to law enforcement, and it's

1075
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: their decision on how to feed out some of the noise.

1076
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: Perhaps because you could imagine tip lines do get lots

1077
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: of all over the place things.

1078
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: Well, uh, the family of Amy Bradley does run a

1079
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Speaker 4: tip line, and they also have an official page for

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Speaker 4: tips and updates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that often can happen. But if like an

1082
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: official like on her official missing person's poster is not

1083
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: going to be the family's tip.

1084
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: Line, right, that's the FBI, and they as well have

1085
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 4: it online portal.

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00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: Right, So I mean, nobody's cleared in this, right, like,

1087
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't. The FBI doesn't know who did this,

1088
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: So they're not going to be running things in every

1089
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: in every instance, in every I mean, I'm sure they

1090
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: do run things by the family, of course, oh my gosh,

1091
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: sweet family, right, but I don't know that they would

1092
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: run everything through them.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, they can't. It's an open investigation, right,

1094
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: so yeah, like they you Unfortunately, I think that's a

1095
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: tough spot, even in anti members of victims, because you

1096
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: want answers, and law enforcement, frankly, for the spirit and

1097
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: sacredness of the investigation often have to keep, you know,

1098
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: very important details close to the vest because if you

1099
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: say them publicly, the tip line might you know, mimic

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00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: that of course, think about it.

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00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 9: You know.

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: Again, we are working with a tip line right now

1103
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: in a separate project, and it's really interesting to kind

1104
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: of think that through like what are the legal ramifications,

1105
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: who answers the tip line, how is that responded to?

1106
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: And in our case, it would have to run through

1107
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: law enforcement.

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00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: Right right?

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00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: I just think it's interesting that so they're saying they

1111
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 3: have no knowledge of these.

1112
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 4: New correct and Amy Bradley's brother, Brad goes on to

1113
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 4: emphasize the family's lack of involvement in these new leads

1114
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 4: and that they really desire for credible information to guide

1115
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 4: the ongoing search. Sure but here, which of course he

1116
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: would Another thing is that Brad dismisses any speculation that

1117
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 4: Amy has a child, and he clarified that previous claims

1118
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 4: have been investigated and rolled out, which that also watching

1119
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 4: the documentary, which of course Bread was prominent in. That

1120
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 4: was in the documentary at least the woman who said

1121
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 4: she did not say for a certaintude.

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00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 3: Well, and I would say, you know, he dismissed the

1123
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: speculation that Amy has a child, and I would say, well,

1124
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 3: how do you know? But I mean, you don't know.

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Speaker 3: You don't know where she's at, and you haven't talked

1126
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: to her, You have no idea, what's what our status is?

1127
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 3: You know, you don't know, but but I'm imagining that

1128
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 3: every lead that has come in that they've investigated about

1129
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: her having a child hasn't panned out. That doesn't mean.

1130
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Speaker 4: Yes, I see the distinction you're making, and I think

1131
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 4: you're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So I hope you'll find her. I know, I just

1133
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: want her to be found. Honestly, I thought that documentary

1134
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: was really good and captivating. It was really brought her

1135
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: back to life in so many ways. So whether she

1136
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: has a baby or doesn't like, who cares? As long

1137
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: as she's alive. I mean, this family for thirty years,

1138
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: God blessing for her?

1139
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Speaker 3: Is that how long it's been?

1140
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 8: Oh?

1141
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: My goodness?

1142
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: Just about yeah.

1143
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Speaker 4: Listen, coming up where really honored that Sina Scarborough is

1144
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 4: going to be joining us and she's going to give

1145
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 4: us some updates on her daughter, shot A Robinson's case

1146
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 4: as well ascussing her work at Shada Shaday's Voice Foundation.

1147
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: Keep it here at True Crime Tonight, we are talking

1148
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 4: true crime all the time.

1149
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1150
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here of

1151
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: course with my girls, Courtney Armstrong and Body move in

1152
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: and we are so happy to have Sheena Scarborough back

1153
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: with us. Sena. First off, welcome back to the show.

1154
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: We're so glad that you're here. We even get to

1155
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: see you this time, which is so incredibly exciting. Listen,

1156
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: we wish under better circumstances, obviously if you've been listening along.

1157
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: Shada Robinson is Sheena's daughter. Her life was taken incredibly

1158
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 2: tragically and you know, the details will kind of we'll

1159
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: get to, but I will say this, just even just

1160
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: seeing your face last time you were on, it was

1161
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: just audio, and it is sometimes the humans that carry

1162
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: the most on their shoulders, you know, even in the

1163
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: thick of grief and the thick of moving through arguably

1164
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: the most unimaginable scenario losing your daughter in the way period,

1165
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: losing your daughter period the end. And your smile is

1166
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: so huge. Your smile really it shined through even when

1167
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: we heard you the first time and the last time

1168
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: you were here, it really did, like we all felt it.

1169
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: And now seeing you you are, even right behind you,

1170
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: is like a shining light. It is wild. So we

1171
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: have to assume that you know, shade is shining upon

1172
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: you and you were a light in a dark in

1173
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: a dark place. So thank you for joining us and

1174
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: giving us an update and so many important things that

1175
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: you're doing. So we love you.

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Speaker 8: Welcome, welcome you guys to hey, hey gang gang, let

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Speaker 8: me get who got Courtney Courtney, Stephanie.

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Speaker 9: And and of course you know.

1179
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 10: Down here as well, and that's Sam.

1180
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 9: Okay, Sam's helping me because I couldn't get the deep connected.

1181
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 9: But it's so nice to be with you, to be

1182
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 9: with you guys again. Yeah, it's been a very you know,

1183
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 9: the past couple of weeks have been very you know,

1184
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 9: grief when you're dealing with grief, and this goes for

1185
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 9: all other crime bates and families that can relate to

1186
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 9: you know, losing a loved one, you know, even losing

1187
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 9: a loved one rather it may be a parent, it

1188
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 9: could be a sibling, you know, or you know, a

1189
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 9: spouse or loved one, but a child, you know, our

1190
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 9: children are not supposed to go before us, you know,

1191
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 9: like that's just the way it. You know, I was

1192
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 9: raised like the system. So it's very it's been very

1193
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 9: challenging the past couple of weeks. I've been moment so

1194
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 9: consistently the past eighteen months. It will be nineteen months

1195
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Speaker 9: on November the first, and I haven't really had time

1196
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 9: to fitch still and grieve, to be honest. So I've finally,

1197
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 9: like the past couple of weeks, I've kind of had

1198
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 9: a moment to just cry and take things in.

1199
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Speaker 2: Which you need.

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Speaker 4: But you've also have been so busy moving forward in

1201
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 4: so many actual ways, and of course also in raising

1202
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 4: your other beautiful, scholar.

1203
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: Brilliant daughter. You know that goes every day.

1204
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 10: If anyone is so break it, go ahead, go ahead.

1205
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: I was going to say, if anyone is happening to

1206
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: be joining us.

1207
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 4: Now we're here with Sheena Scarborough and her daughter, of course,

1208
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 4: is the beautiful shouting Robinson, and they're out of Milwaukee.

1209
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 4: And Shade was killed, uh in a case that ended

1210
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 4: with let's just call him the suspect. I know you

1211
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 4: have other words for him, some of them I can't say.

1212
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 4: I'm not allowed to say what my word for him is.

1213
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 4: But it ended with this man sentenced to life in

1214
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 4: prison and through all.

1215
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 10: Of this.

1216
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 2: Demon, Yeah, go ahead, demon, that's right, that's right.

1217
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 9: And I can't I don't refer to that individual by

1218
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 9: name that you know, that type of behavior and you

1219
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 9: know that's a demon. We have demons walking on ours

1220
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 9: in the physical form, physical and spiritual, but this is

1221
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 9: one of the highest levels of demonic energy I've ever

1222
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 9: seen in my life. It's been challenging, you know. Again,

1223
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 9: I just have another daughter, she's a senior this year.

1224
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 9: To any other parents that are out there and got SoRs,

1225
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 9: this weekend was fulfilled with fasces, a CCS profile I've

1226
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 9: never done before.

1227
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 10: I'm like, what the heck is going on?

1228
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 9: So, like, you know, I'm making sure I'm present for her,

1229
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 9: and I've been feeling a bit. You know, I'm not

1230
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 9: going to say guilty, but I know some other crime

1231
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 9: parents probably can relate. But sometimes when we're so indulged

1232
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 9: in are getting justice for our child, be laws and

1233
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 9: we're dealing with degreees, Like I'm just going so.

1234
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 10: Hard and not stop.

1235
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 9: And you know, she's co parented, she's between me and

1236
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 9: her dad, so you know, you're dealing my co parenting

1237
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 9: and things like that. And she's about to be eighteen

1238
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 9: on Monday. She'll be eighteen on Monday. So I'm so

1239
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 9: amazingly proud of her. You guys, she's just phenomenal. But

1240
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 9: you know, as these are one of the things I

1241
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 9: do want to make sure I'm bringing awareness too through

1242
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 9: the foundation is for the other crime victim moms or

1243
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 9: parents that are kind of walking through this with me,

1244
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 9: to make sure that we are not forgetting our other children.

1245
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 9: So that's a high light of things I want to

1246
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 9: do with the foundation. Just make sure the siblings and

1247
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 9: children of the crime victims are not being left behind,

1248
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 9: if that makes sense.

1249
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: Now, you just like rip my heart out. Even as

1250
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: you say that, I'm covered in chills. It's something that

1251
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: you don't really think about until you're in You're in it, right,

1252
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: and you you so eloquently speak about grief. Yeah, like

1253
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: there's adrenaline. You've been fighting and fighting for justice that

1254
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 2: takes a level of like stamina, and regardless of circumstance,

1255
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: at some point you sit down and it has to

1256
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: kind of flush through. And it's so incredibly relatable And

1257
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: where anybody who's hearing my voice right now is sending

1258
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 2: you so much love. I know it, and I hope

1259
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: you feel it because you are a trailblazer and your

1260
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 2: daughter I don't.

1261
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 9: Mean like thank you guys, but I don't we don't

1262
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 9: walk like that. Me and my daughter's like even adrianas

1263
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 9: she's like walking around a four point eight going to

1264
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 9: be the valedictorian to make at Golden and we don't

1265
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 9: walk around like you know, everything she's been through she

1266
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 9: will be. I'm just so like I get goosebumps with

1267
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 9: all the accomplishments and things that she has done, you know,

1268
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 9: through grief as a sibling again of a crime victim.

1269
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 9: I do want to you know, I don't want to

1270
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 9: go to deeep, but I know there's a lot of

1271
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 9: things just being aware, like with the grief, because like

1272
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 9: this is eighteen months later tomorrow we have the restitution trial. Okay,

1273
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 9: this is very emotional for me.

1274
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 10: Another trigger that I've been going through.

1275
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 9: Is even going through items for restitution okay, and then

1276
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 9: I have a crime victoms advocate in different levels and

1277
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 9: then there's no value or price for my child. How

1278
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 9: dare you her vehicles worth over this amount, all the

1279
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 9: items in it. She had designer back, she had designer this,

1280
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 9: she had her laptops, she had just got a brand

1281
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 9: new iPad. She kept all her stuff in or vehicle

1282
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 9: for school, Like you have to go through these are

1283
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 9: just materialistic things. I'm not a materialistic person, but it's

1284
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 9: the principle. Not only that the wages, me and my

1285
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 9: we all worked my youngest starter. In myself, I've I'm

1286
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 9: dealing with a lot of different health factors physically and mentally.

1287
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 9: I can't starting to work like I used to, So,

1288
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 9: you know, I am working through some new disabilities that

1289
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 9: I did not have prior to.

1290
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 10: So, like all of these things, your life is kind.

1291
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 9: Of put off track.

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Speaker 10: I you know, I had goals. I was in graduate school.

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Speaker 9: I would have been an LPC by now as a

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Speaker 9: professional counselors. So like when you're doing restitutions, like what.

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Speaker 8: Does that mean?

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Speaker 10: And for somebody who's.

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01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 9: Never walked through the criminal justice system, never dnage out,

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01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 9: you know, like I don't deal with the crime system

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01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 9: like this, This is all new to me. Going through

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01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 9: all of those layers is very challenging and emotional.

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Speaker 2: Got away. Thank god sharing too, because you're right, nobody

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01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 2: knows until you're in it, and until people have you

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01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 2: know the strength and the wherewithal for you to come

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01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: even here and share with us. It helps. It helps

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01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: so many And I don't know what the answer is.

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Speaker 2: I wish there was something.

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Speaker 9: No, yeah, there's there's no handbooks, no there's no handbook

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01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 9: for when you lose your child, especially to a demonic

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01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 9: serial kill. You know, I don't know what you're allowed

1310
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 9: to stay on here, but you know, a cereal the

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 9: visual and a lifsure child a serial demon killer. Okay,

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01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 9: there's no handbook for how to walk in maneuver this.

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01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 9: There's no handbook for anyone dealing with grief period. Greed

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Speaker 9: comes in many different you know. I've done all the

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01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 9: side ecology background classes, like I can care less about

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01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 9: that book stuff, and so you could go to school

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01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 9: all you want. Well, until you're walking through it and

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01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 9: you're living in it, it's a whole different walk. Even

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Speaker 9: my therapist, I do therapy once a week and Johanna

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01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 9: is twice a month. They are walking through a different maneuver.

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Speaker 9: They have not had crime, you know, and things are

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01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 9: new for them. My medical doctor things are new for

1323
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 9: her treating my plan of character. Like, you know, we

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 9: have to take it one day at a time. That's

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01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 9: what I can, you know, put out to the other

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Speaker 9: crime victims that maybe go in through similar things. Just

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01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 9: you know, take it one day, one hour, one step

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Speaker 9: at a time.

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Speaker 10: If you're able to.

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 9: Wake up, get dressed, you know, it's small things. Am

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01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 9: I able to you know, I'm able to eat? Did

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Speaker 9: I go to sleep?

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01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 10: These things are challenging.

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01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 9: Trouble sleeping, yeah, I have trouble sleeping many a night.

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01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 9: I was thinking about my daughter.

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Speaker 10: I have moments.

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Speaker 9: I'll find pictures, you know, I'll just go through. There's

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Speaker 9: different stages. And you know, even with my youngest daughter,

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01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 9: you know, she's been a little bit for her to

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Speaker 9: be so he's very academically gives it. But at the

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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 9: same time, I do want to encourage all.

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 10: Parents to be present with our babies.

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Speaker 9: And that's again another thing with the one of the

1344
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 9: new initiatives, well not new, but initiatives. I'm trying to

1345
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,799
Speaker 9: get to how do you get through all this trial stuff?

1346
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 10: But the foundation is going to be doing self.

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 9: Defense safety awareness courses. Shutting self defense safety awareness courses,

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01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 9: so just being able to speak to the young people

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Speaker 9: in the community. A lot of them are not They

1350
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 9: don't teach you these things in school safety dating groups

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01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 9: or locations. You need to have street since you need

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 9: to have people, since you can't just walk around with

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01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 9: academic books, since you got to have common knowledge, right, sorry,

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Speaker 9: excuse me, Yeah, but you know the mental We got

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01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 9: to deal with the mental and emotional what our babies

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Speaker 9: are going through daily. And this, you know, the world

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Speaker 9: most different now in twenty twenty five raising children.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that really is. We've been having some like safety

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01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 2: discussions too, which like by the way, steer us in

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01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: the right direction of that as well, because you know, shot,

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 2: they lost her life on a first date. It was

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01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: a first blind date, FYI for anyone paying attention. So

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 2: and then there's so much takeaway that we have to unpack.

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 2: It's an injustice beyond measure.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And Greece, man, it is that me.

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Speaker 9: Right so much, even just like mentioning it again, I

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 9: still feel like I'm going to awaken nightmare. My daughter

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Speaker 9: went on the first date and I never was aware

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Speaker 9: of this individual. She talks to me about everything. So

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Speaker 9: for the other parents, like we we don't know everything,

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Speaker 9: especially when your child is a young adult nineteen twenty ace.

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 10: You know, they live in.

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Speaker 9: They're living on their owner in college, Like we don't

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Speaker 9: know every single step that they're moving and making in

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Speaker 9: their life. And then I have a lot of guilt

1377
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 9: that like that's what Greef, that's the part of dealing

1378
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 9: with grief That's one of the steps with greef, you know,

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01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 9: like I've done all the classes, is like several different

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Speaker 9: eight different levels, but there's no order in which to

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01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 9: do it, like you know, and.

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01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 10: How to grief and it comes and goes differently and

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Speaker 10: by the days.

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Speaker 9: But one of them is guilt, and I have to

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Speaker 9: walk through and understand that. You know, I know this

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01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 9: good mom, and I talked to my kids and I.

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Speaker 10: Was present night. I'm like the strict parents.

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01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 9: The dads are kind of I'm the stricter one, right,

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Speaker 9: but you have to be.

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Speaker 2: Very fun either, like, yeah, you're right about that. And

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Speaker 2: also the idea is to raise smart, functional young women,

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01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: which you were doing. So even in that regard nonsense

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01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: and you know, to your point, this demon, you know,

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01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: wasn't really you can't see that coming. You can't see

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 2: that coming right until people are talking about it and

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 2: shouting it from the rooftops. It's impossible to see coming. Yeah,

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01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: and the grief, you know, on.

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Speaker 9: A random Tuesday and it's just been crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, I have a question.

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Speaker 4: Can you share with everyone a little bit and we

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Speaker 4: have just a little bit of time and then we're

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Speaker 4: coming back after commercial.

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Speaker 2: But a little bit about the memorial.

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Speaker 10: Oh my got you guys. These are the things that

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 10: keep me going.

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01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 9: And you know, I'm not able to return to a

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 9: corporate job anymore. Like I used to have a lot

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01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 9: of different things, so like everything through the foundation and

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 9: carrying on her legacy, these being the most and being

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Speaker 9: able to bring awareness and help to others.

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Speaker 10: But the memorial has been a year in the making.

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Speaker 9: I had went before the Milwaukee County Park Sport just

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Speaker 9: like several of them, but I had went before them

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Speaker 9: to you know, present to them tonight do this memorial.

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 9: So it's going to be at the Warnermount Park. That

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Speaker 9: was the location where her first remains were filmed. And

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 9: you know, this is very emotional already to even go

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01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 9: to that location. It's from a different part of town

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 9: that I usually you know, we usually did not visit.

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01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 10: But yeah, she has her trees.

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Speaker 9: I've been working with the parks people and sincely shouts

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Speaker 9: out to the Milwaukee County Parks and.

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01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:13,959
Speaker 10: All the individuals in the community.

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Speaker 9: You have been donating and helping us to get this.

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01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 9: Back in February, we had a lot of racial attacks.

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01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 9: You know, this has been the real just the whole

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01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 9: process has been very to real, you know, going before

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 9: the board and wanting to raise the funds on my

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01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 9: own initially, and then it led to you know, them

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Speaker 9: announcing it in the beginning of the year, the budget.

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01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 9: I wasn't even aware. Then here we are in the

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01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 9: news again and it was just a lot of back

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Speaker 9: and forth the media.

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Speaker 4: Listen, we're going to finish after commercial. But you got

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Speaker 4: it done, is the bottom line, and listen, keep it here.

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Speaker 4: We are going to be talking about Chad's Voice Foundation

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01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 4: after the break throughe Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

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01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 2: and Body as always and Tahan and the boys. Because

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01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: we have like a real hero, one of our favorite,

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: our favorite humans. Honestly, who's who's kind of in it

1443
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 2: at this exact moment. If you know, you don't recall

1444
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 2: Shadday Robinson's case. She lost her life on a first

1445
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 2: date and the trial was a harrowing one. The accused

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01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: is now behind bars for life and Sheina Scarborough Mom,

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01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 2: you know, pushes on and pushes on through circumstances that

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01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 2: you know are hard to actually even put words to

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: you know, I say unimaginable, and you know, frankly, somebody

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01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 2: listening right now, it's imagining it because they're living it too.

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01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's it's a real thing. And what

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01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 2: is tomorrow? There's another court restitution and you know here

1453
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: is you know, Shina pushing through dealing with the legal

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01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 2: system in such a tenuous, scary scenario, a worst nightmare, frankly,

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01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: while raising a superstar daughter as well, who's also grieving.

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01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: So you know, having you hear Shina is just it

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: checks a lot of boxes because a, you know, you're

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 2: a shining light every time you're here, and we all

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01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: get affected so deeply, and thank you for sharing, certainly

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01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 2: at it's such a raw time. And it also really

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01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 2: helps because you know, grief is one of those things

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: that's very universal. This is the most heinous, imaginable thing.

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01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: And you know somebody listening is probably fighting the same fight,

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01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 2: you know, maybe in a different place, in different circumstances.

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Speaker 2: So you are a guiding I could say that.

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Speaker 9: You guys, you know, thank you. I don't feel that

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Speaker 9: I just moved through spirit. You know, these are I'm

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01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 9: trying to not trying to but like I'm taking this grease. Uh,

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01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 9: this is the logo on my baby's clothing line. Turned

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Speaker 9: the pain into purpose or you know, power trying the

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01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 9: pains of power. So you know, I'm just wanting this

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Speaker 9: not to happen to any other individuals. It's not about

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01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 9: the you know, the raised you know, these are women,

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Speaker 9: our young women in general, say, because my my youngest

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01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 9: starter is biracial, these have white like this isn't you know,

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01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 9: these are all of our babies, So I wouldn't be clear,

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01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 9: you know, it just seems to be like there's a

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01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 9: more so like the black and brown indigenous women don't

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01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,440
Speaker 9: get as much fight attention, you know, And I'm just gonna.

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Speaker 10: Be real with that.

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Speaker 2: They don't. They don't. They absolutely do not.

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Speaker 4: And in fact, in Wisconsin where you are, it's egregious. Uh,

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Speaker 4: the numbers are yeah, literally staggering. Black women there are

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Speaker 4: twenty times more likely to be murdered than white women.

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01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 4: And so Sheena indeed is turning pain into power, use

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Speaker 4: it through Shade's Voice Foundation, and that is helping to

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Speaker 4: bring light to missing people.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And lawmakers have pushed too. I understand law makers have

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01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: pushed for a task force.

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Speaker 9: Yes, representative she looks up in Madison. She has been

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01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 9: very present and with me since the beginning. You know,

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01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 9: she's been working on this missing and Murdered task force

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01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 9: for years. Like I wasn't aware of it. You know,

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01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 9: I've come from the miss Well bag. You know, I'll

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01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 9: stand all example, this wasn't both fabinouses of course front

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01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 9: door until it it's your front door then you you know,

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01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 9: that's how a lot of people move. So like it

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01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 9: came to us, so like now I have to be

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Speaker 9: the voice, uh, not only for my daughter, but for

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Speaker 9: all of the other missing and murdered and bring awareness

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Speaker 9: like to their safety. And I would just you know,

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Speaker 9: really like there's so many other crime vix and moms

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01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 9: in the community. One of the areas that we're having

1505
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 9: in Milwaukee, it seems, and you know, I'm working to

1506
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 9: set up, you know, a meeting with my attorney, with

1507
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 9: the chief of police, the mayor and different individuals and

1508
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 9: the community, and then I'll be visiting Madison again at

1509
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 9: the end of this month. The rep up, the bill

1510
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 9: that we are working on is moving over to the

1511
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 9: State Assembly, and you know that that government stuff, I

1512
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 9: don't you know, I just I'm present, but like I

1513
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 9: don't know how to details how the stuff moves, but

1514
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 9: you know I'm doing I'm working with that to get

1515
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 9: some legislation you know, made, and we're also working to

1516
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 9: get Shadai's law. These are some of the things that

1517
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,799
Speaker 9: I've been dealing with in the system as a crime victim.

1518
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 9: I've been communicating with them intensely about the release information,

1519
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 9: certain things, being able to get your own child. I

1520
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 9: have not even got the transcript yet. They try to

1521
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 9: charge me like over seven hundred dollars a day when

1522
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 9: I haven't been worked since April. Yes, literally I have

1523
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,520
Speaker 9: an email transcript.

1524
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, so with transcript when.

1525
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 9: My daughters say, like this is for rell, like over

1526
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 9: ten thousand dollars even get my child's transcripts. I'm working

1527
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 9: through those like type of layers daily. We've been able

1528
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 9: to get records access all of that. So I don't

1529
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 9: want these things to haap into other crime victims. They

1530
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 9: don't even know how to access crime bxing compensation funds.

1531
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 9: Every state has a certain amount, like so you know,

1532
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 9: to kind of help you get through the process. So

1533
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 9: those are again a lot of the things I'm going

1534
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 9: to be doing one on one consultation with a lot

1535
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 9: of the individuals in the community. But I have to

1536
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 9: get through this whole process myself and understand it before

1537
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 9: I can be able to help rather individual to the

1538
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 9: best of my ability.

1539
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 3: You're going to be expert at it, right, Like, after

1540
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 3: you go through all this, it's like, you know, no,

1541
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 3: how do you prepare for something like this?

1542
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: You don't. And that's you're physically going like you know,

1543
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 2: like you speak about you know health, your your mental health,

1544
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 2: which of course your physical health. You know, suddenly you

1545
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: get hit with a million things because like trauma. I mean,

1546
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 2: let's be real, it's there's no bigger hit than trauma.

1547
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 2: And here you are putting everything first and it is

1548
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: a really hard it's an impossible thing to navigate on

1549
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 2: your own.

1550
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 10: Right.

1551
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 3: Well, of the yeah, one of the cases that you

1552
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 3: brought to our attention, I wanted to talk about it.

1553
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 3: So Lashikia Hill, she is a This is a case

1554
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 3: that she never brought to our attention, and she was

1555
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 3: a fort Well, she is a forty six year old woman.

1556
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 3: She's from Racine, Wisconsin, and she went missing on March

1557
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: twenty sixth of twenty twenty three, the night before her birthday.

1558
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 3: She was last seen entering the home of a man

1559
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 3: named Donald Wilson, who, by the way, remains a person

1560
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 3: of interest but has not been taken into custody. Despite

1561
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 3: ongoing police efforts, she remains missing and her family is

1562
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 3: urgently seeking public help to locate her. And just some

1563
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 3: background facts, right. She disappeared under suspicious circumstances after being

1564
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 3: picked up by Donald Wilson from her home on March

1565
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 3: twenty six, twenty twenty three. The last person seen with

1566
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 3: her is him, and he has not been arrested or

1567
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 3: publicly identifies as a suspect beyond his connection to her disappearance.

1568
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 3: She was last seen wearing very distinctive white pants and

1569
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: possibly a blonde wig. She was reported missing two days later.

1570
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 3: She is a mother of two sons and a grandmother

1571
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 3: to three grandchildren who miss her desperately. She would never

1572
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 3: voluntarily leave or abandon her family. The police confirmed that

1573
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 3: the investigation remains open, but they don't have any leads

1574
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 3: or any significant developments to report on. It's been two

1575
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 3: and a half years and nothing.

1576
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, this is a real, this is a real

1577
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 9: I mean she is another you know. When I went

1578
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 9: to Madison, she was one of the other crime victims

1579
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 9: that were highlighted, and also along with you know, Janiah Walker,

1580
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:38,799
Speaker 9: there's so many, Like it's just becoming a daily toxic

1581
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 9: thing every day and I just appreciate you guys being

1582
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 9: able to bring awareness to a lot of the stuff

1583
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 9: that's going on in Milwaukee. It is becoming like a

1584
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 9: safety scary hazard. Like you know, my mission was to

1585
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 9: get my kids well disrespect but the hell lot of

1586
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,839
Speaker 9: this city as when as possible. I wanted them graduate

1587
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 9: it and move on, you know, but like it doesn't

1588
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 9: because like it's just been increasingly crime and there's a

1589
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 9: lot of just not there's a lot of gun violence,

1590
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 9: there's a lot of hidden runs, there's there's a lot

1591
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 9: of other individuals that would like to you know, share

1592
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 9: with you guys hopefully in the future, and also through

1593
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 9: the Shady's Boys Speaks for Crime podcast. My new mentor

1594
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 9: family is gonna help.

1595
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: We want you to like get a proper massage in

1596
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: a foot ruby, Like we need to like hamper you

1597
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 2: because you know.

1598
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 3: You can't fight so hard. You know how you get

1599
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 3: on airplane China and they tell you, okay, if the

1600
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 3: oxygen masks fall down, you got to make sure to

1601
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 3: put it on yourself first and then do your Yeah, honey,

1602
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 3: you got to make sure that you're brutled up before

1603
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 3: you can start pouring you.

1604
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 9: We have to take totally respect it. And I've been

1605
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 9: getting told out a lot, and that's one of the things.

1606
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 9: I am taking a step back and I am having

1607
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 9: to protect my peace.

1608
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 10: And this goes for all times.

1609
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 9: It seems like if your space or peace and you

1610
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 9: have to do your own grievance and you have to,

1611
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 9: you can't help. We can't save the whole world. And

1612
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 9: I've been working with Adrianna with that as well, because

1613
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 9: she my kids move just like me, were over chievers.

1614
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 9: We're always talking to other people and you know, looking

1615
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 9: at my kids, I'm like, damn, they mean they will

1616
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 9: versus and Me's what, guys, she dropped one ap class.

1617
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 9: I'm so excited light.

1618
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 8: Here, like.

1619
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 2: Just we just say that right like and I want

1620
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 2: that's we're all going to wish you like I don't

1621
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 2: know what the load Lightner is when you're in this

1622
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 2: storm and man.

1623
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 9: Woman, thank you, But the other I didn't want to

1624
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 9: take it all for like Lushikia Hill and may see,

1625
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 9: I never knew how I never met her. Yeah, And

1626
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 9: I just want to make sure that you know.

1627
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 10: All of these women through the you know Foundation.

1628
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,600
Speaker 9: It's not about Shaddy, but I want these This is

1629
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 9: what the foundations about. There were resources and tools, Like

1630
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 9: when they first went searching for my baby, they were

1631
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 9: short of items. They didn't have boats, they didn't have divers.

1632
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:28,440
Speaker 9: So shouts out to Bruce's Legacy, one of the nonprofits

1633
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 9: out here. They flew up here on their boat. They

1634
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 9: came up the volunteer. These are the organizations that I support.

1635
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 9: The Tupaca Mari Chakor Foundation, Tupac's sisters set Shakur, she

1636
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 9: came out here. I got to meet her.

1637
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 10: You guys, I didn't know that, I really Yeah.

1638
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, his sister came out and met So, like these

1639
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 9: organizations support the crime victims family. She's the sibling of

1640
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 9: the crime victim this well, of course her brother Tupac,

1641
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 9: and so she advocates for the you know, the the

1642
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 9: things that I'm doing. We got scholarships for siblings and

1643
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 9: children of crime vicsin the Shade Honest Memorial Scholarship. Those

1644
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 9: are my first two scholarships to the foundation, My first two. Yeah,

1645
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 9: I'm putting out the application on the website. You know,

1646
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 9: I don't have a big cludget you guys like their

1647
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 9: thousand dollarship piece, but definitely we can use you know,

1648
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 9: any support with donations to the website, you know, shad

1649
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 9: A's voice s A d e s Boys Foundation dot com.

1650
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 9: You can read there's a donation link and I'll tell

1651
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 9: you the things we're doing from the self of what

1652
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 9: you know, defense classes. Do you know We're working with

1653
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 9: multiple projects in the community. We're gonna be doing art therapy.

1654
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 9: Shout out to my new artists. Mullah Mullah Bread is

1655
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:53,799
Speaker 9: another artist. He designed my baby plaque for the memorial

1656
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 9: and it's going to be a community park. The park event,

1657
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 9: I'm inviting the community, music, food. You know before it's

1658
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 9: too cold out here in Wisconsin, you guys feel it's freezing.

1659
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 2: Uh and that so beautiful.

1660
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you guys.

1661
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 9: So we're inviting all of the community. I want to

1662
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 9: thank all of the community. The artist that everyone that's

1663
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 9: pulled up. They have designed the most beautiful artwork. You

1664
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 9: guys can freaking imagine like it's it's for real, the

1665
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 9: stuff they've done. And the artists I've met but I

1666
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 9: would like to honor them. Is welcome to other crime

1667
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 9: victim moms. They have organizations and foundations and things going.

1668
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 9: So that's what you know. The community networking ribbon cutting

1669
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 9: for Shade will be in the next coming week. So

1670
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 9: we got to tell you everything set up.

1671
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're going to do a post on our

1672
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 3: social media of the picture of Hill and we'll make

1673
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 3: sure to put a link to Shadi's Voice Foundation in

1674
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 3: the caption. Let's if you guys want to go to

1675
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 3: our social media, We're going to put a picture of

1676
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 3: her and we'll put a link to Shade's Voice Foundation

1677
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: in the capture so people can click on it. I

1678
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 3: think that's a good right.

1679
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 2: An open door. We want, you know, we don't want

1680
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 2: we have you have a lot going on, but like whenever,

1681
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: whenever open door because it really does shed so much light.

1682
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know. I wish I had something,

1683
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 2: really I wish I had a magic perfect to say,

1684
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 2: and truthfully I don't. But I look at you and

1685
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 2: I have to say it yet again. We see you

1686
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 2: in your eyes right now, this one has like a smile.

1687
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 2: It is in the moments like this that somehow light

1688
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 2: pushes on and you are the most emblematic of that.

1689
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 2: So anything we can do to support your cause and

1690
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 2: shot Voice Foundation.

1691
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,480
Speaker 3: And you're not alone, and you're not alone.

1692
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 9: Before I get off, this is what one of my

1693
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 9: closest bes friends mate for me.

1694
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 10: And that's her voice.

1695
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 2: That's her voice.

1696
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's voice in the bear. Oh yeah, my best

1697
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 9: friend Shandy shouts out to her. But like I sitting

1698
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 9: on the couch like next to me, that's her with me.

1699
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, we love you too, we love you too.

1700
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Voice Foundation. We'll post it.

1701
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 8: You know, we love you.

1702
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 2: Anybody who's listening is praying on you and sending you

1703
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 2: good vibes for tomorrow. You you are strong, you got

1704
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 2: this and we are right there with you emotionally. And

1705
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing, thank you for period.

1706
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 4: And everyone go to Shada's Voice Foundation dot com. There

1707
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 4: is a lot of information everything that's going.

1708
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 2: On, and thank you very much. Good night, have a

1709
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 2: great night, everybody, stay safe.

1710
01:32:51,720 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 3: Bye Bo