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Speaker 1: A Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Better Offline after party epilogue from CS.

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Speaker 2: It is like eleven am on the Saturday. We are

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Speaker 2: I actually slip pretty well weirdly, but we're all. This

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Speaker 2: is the thing we do at the end of the

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Speaker 2: show where the remaining people join us. We relax and

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Speaker 2: we have to my right, mister Philip Broughton. Hello, this

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Speaker 2: is our bartender for the week. Phil, You've been so

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Speaker 2: I want to give Phil immense credit for what he's

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Speaker 2: been doing all week. So the way this works, we

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Speaker 2: have the We've got the main suite, which is where

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Speaker 2: people come and they come sit down. It's got the

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Speaker 2: big daddy bedroom where I sleep, where I just kind

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Speaker 2: of like sleep or like talk to myself.

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Speaker 1: Roll around the lot, I roll around on the floor.

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Speaker 2: But then in the main room we have the bar

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Speaker 2: that Phil is set up and during the recordings, Phil

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Speaker 2: will come in and ferry and usually a diet coke

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Speaker 2: or a little thing of stool just close to mens cow.

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Speaker 2: Jesus crist my voice just broke down, I'm of course,

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Speaker 2: said Zi Tromp. By the way, the host of Better Offline,

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Speaker 2: and Phil has been bringing me drinks all week and

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Speaker 2: bringing everyone drinks, just kind of ferrying around the recording.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't know what to hear it, but he's been

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Speaker 2: an incredible bartender.

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Speaker 1: I finally learned how to not walk into things after

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Speaker 1: last year.

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Speaker 2: You were pretty good. You give yourself more credit to

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Speaker 2: our left. Of course is mister Corey, doctor, activist, author, journalist. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and of course mister Edward and Grayso Junior, Hello, my friends,

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Speaker 2: my man, another year another day. Ye yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I should really have my book written by next year. No,

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Speaker 2: it's we were just talking about games and relaxing after it,

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Speaker 2: because you'd think after a week long podcast we'd go

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Speaker 2: completely ape shit crazy, by which I mean I think

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Speaker 2: all of us were in bed by eleven oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: Junior and I got to go out to scheming twelve

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Speaker 2: oh one.

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Speaker 3: Am is the plan. We're gonna We're gonna go really crazy.

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Speaker 4: I've got I feel like I gave me a just

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Speaker 4: together people from different walks of life to party with

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Speaker 4: you tonight.

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Speaker 3: I did see there's Avengers Doomsday.

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Speaker 2: Now they're doing three hour, forty five minute one and

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Speaker 2: they got they got the X Men in it and

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Speaker 2: the real just ty jangling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's either gonna be okay or horrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be amazing in the sense that,

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Speaker 2: like Patrick Stewart, if Patrick Stewart does just does X

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Speaker 2: Men ship, I'm fine. But yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 2: what happens at the end of CESR. Brains are reduced

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Speaker 2: to a fine simmer.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna do a courtesy sniff on me for Doomsday,

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Speaker 1: aren't you.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to if I managed to watch that fucking movie,

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Speaker 2: I will actually.

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Speaker 4: Courtesy sniff at me for the Avatar three Way fire

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Speaker 4: and ass right now, I've not seen any of the Avatar.

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Speaker 3: Let's got a Pandora if it was.

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Speaker 1: Literally watch it.

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Speaker 3: It's got a Pandora.

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Speaker 2: But no, the history of the suite is such that

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Speaker 2: Phil has been so when we first do This Week

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Speaker 2: Phil fifteen, twenty fifteen, we would have it. It was from

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Speaker 2: a PR firm. We'd all sit around, we'd have the

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Speaker 2: journalists without drinks. But died in twenty twenty because of

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Speaker 2: actually not because of the pandemic, just because we were

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Speaker 2: I think it was like there was something weird that

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Speaker 2: cees and then then COVID happened.

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Speaker 1: We people were already scared of COVID at.

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Speaker 3: C well, people were just sick, like people were ambient.

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Speaker 3: I was sick.

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Speaker 1: I was getting a lot of questions about is this okay?

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Speaker 1: And I went well.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: The other part of the worry is parts of China

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Speaker 1: had already locked down at that point on January, so

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Speaker 1: there were missing parts of the show which were starting

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Speaker 1: people to worry about are we okay here?

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Speaker 2: I was also just like I got I a knock

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Speaker 2: on wood. I have done pretty well not getting sick

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Speaker 2: at CES, largely because the first few days when the

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Speaker 2: show's the most crowded, I'm massed up immediately just to

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Speaker 2: just I have my big I put my Bain mask

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Speaker 2: on and yeah, that that was a weird one. But

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Speaker 2: we brought it back last year for the first time.

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Speaker 3: It was good. I think this is the best one. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: m hmm.

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Speaker 2: And we were already scheming for twenty twenty seven. We've

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Speaker 2: We've got Vice president JD.

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Speaker 3: Vansner. I'm good and good. Do you even say please?

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Speaker 3: Do you even say please?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: I it's this year. The lesson I've learned is that

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Speaker 2: I could use a slug. I could use help. I

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Speaker 2: could use them not to say I didn't have it.

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Speaker 2: I could use like an organizing document person.

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Speaker 1: So I have physics degrees, but I can't keep up

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Speaker 1: that is what you need to do for a show.

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Speaker 2: Also, neither could I. I was kind of putting it

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Speaker 2: together as you went. But Corey, yes, this is your

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Speaker 2: first CS in what twenty.

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Speaker 6: Twenty, so it's two thousand and three, so twenty three

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Speaker 6: years held Discordia.

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Speaker 2: I'm really very grateful you came out here because it

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Speaker 2: was I know that we laughed about the Amazon the

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Speaker 2: Amazon thing where you like asked the simplest questions they

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Speaker 2: freaked out.

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Speaker 3: But it was quite nice.

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Speaker 2: Watching you bring me in front of stuff that I

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Speaker 2: otherwise wouldn't have got excited about, like the fulln animeter

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love I love the the stuff

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Speaker 6: that's kind of makery. And and then the other end

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Speaker 6: of that, which is I think we were talking about

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Speaker 6: this yesterday, the hall where you know, Chinese designers have

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Speaker 6: taken a standard board that is for a point and

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Speaker 6: for it, and like seventy three of them are garbage

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Speaker 6: and two of them are just really pretty. They looked

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Speaker 6: like something you know, you'd have gotten out of a

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Speaker 6: mid century designer or something. You know, it's very striking.

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Speaker 6: If you saw it in moment, you go, well, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I get why. That's a classic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I and I kind of you stopped at

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Speaker 2: one point in a wall of plugs as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was no, it was that warmed my heart.

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Speaker 3: That's my friend, Matt.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: It was just like a wall.

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Speaker 2: Of like data set level plugs with the ones that

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Speaker 2: you'd usually put in the back of the computer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that that's the the unseen magic

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Speaker 2: lot of things, there are still little companies doing with

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Speaker 6: Well, this is like what I was saying about the

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Speaker 6: British charger adapter, the collapsible charger yah yesterday. Is that

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Speaker 6: the stuff that you interact with every day that has

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Speaker 6: like moving parts that you have to plug and unplug,

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Speaker 6: that you know, like so much of your quality of

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Speaker 6: life is in that stuff. And you know, there's a

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Speaker 6: really remarkable pair of books. There's a book called The

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Speaker 6: Design of Everyday Things by Don Norman that's a design classic,

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Speaker 6: and it's this very austere book.

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Speaker 3: Norman's a designer, and it's very.

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Speaker 6: Steer book, a Steer book aimed at designers, saying stop

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Speaker 6: sacrificing functionality for aesthetics, and everyone read it and this

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Speaker 6: completely was it was It's impossible to overstate how important

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Speaker 6: twenty five years later you wrote another book called Emotional Design,

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Speaker 6: where he's like, I.

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Speaker 3: Was totally wrong.

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Speaker 6: Nearly everything that you use in a high tech society

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Speaker 6: is nearly always broken, and the role of the user

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Speaker 6: is actually the troubleshooter. And to be a troubleshooter is

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Speaker 6: to be expansive. And to be expansive you can't be

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Speaker 6: frustrated and angry. When you're frustrated and angry, you tunnel

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Speaker 3: Just when you say a troubleshooter, exactly do you mame?

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Speaker 6: Well, think about your average day right where you you

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Speaker 6: doesn't work the way it's supposed to work. You know,

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Speaker 6: something closes, something's broken, the app closes that you get

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Speaker 6: a weird cryptic timeout bug, you know, all kinds of thing.

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Speaker 6: I'm the last Tumbler user on Earth. But Tumblr changed

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Speaker 6: and I only just figured out that the reason I

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Speaker 6: but like now I can reliably type in the Tumblr compositor.

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Speaker 6: And that's a troubleshooting thing. Yeah, And we all do

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Speaker 6: not just gnarly Linux shit. It's like my LG not

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Speaker 2: Exactly like the beginning of my book Why Everything Stopped Working,

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Speaker 2: coming out next year. It's I think I count to

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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty one within the space of a

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Speaker 2: day of just shit that went wrong. Aha, Things like

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Speaker 2: I went on Reddit to try and look at someone,

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Speaker 2: but when I went to click it, the entire things

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Speaker 2: times that just my email just decides to reset itself

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Speaker 2: or Google Calendars lock me out of sorry, not just

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Speaker 2: gone like, yeah, I might look in again. And the

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Speaker 2: funniest one, by the way, I don't know any has

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Speaker 2: this happened to you? Have you logged into Google Calendar

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Speaker 2: as in like and it said log in place, you

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Speaker 2: looks you out again.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I had contysfunction instantly. Well, you don't use Google.

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Speaker 6: I know, I use g kel because I have to

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Speaker 6: share a calendar with a bunch of heterogeny environments. But

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Speaker 6: the point being that everyone's a troubleshooter all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: And if you're angry and frustrated and you're just like,

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Speaker 6: you know you've got the incipient aneurysm throbbing in your temple. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and you know your fists are clenched and you're you've

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Speaker 6: got the you know, black halo contracting around your vision.

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Speaker 6: You can't fix stuff, Yeah, you need to be able

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Speaker 6: to kind of step back, Like, have you ever been

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Speaker 6: trying to cook something with a couple of friends.

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Speaker 3: Do you cook? Yes? Yes, So you're cooking.

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Speaker 6: Something with say a friend, and it's not quite gelling,

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Speaker 6: you know, maybe literally it's not gelling. Something's not right,

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Speaker 6: and you just like if you're kind of bopping around

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Speaker 6: the kitchen there's good music, you go taste this, What

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I know, maybe try a little salt. Yeah, right.

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Speaker 6: But like if you're in a pan and you've got

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Speaker 6: ten people traveling what have you, You're trying to cook and

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Speaker 1: I have not had to call the fire marcial this year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, every year.

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Speaker 6: And it's a long tradition, right, the World's Fairy used

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Speaker 6: So it used to be very common to sell shoes

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Speaker 1: You can still find them in remote stores in Appalachia,

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Speaker 3: The three D printing. It also came to his name

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got you've got the horrifying billionairess who were

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Speaker 1: A previous terrifying trip to Vegas where sit on the

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Speaker 1: so excited to see it was a hit Phil and

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Speaker 1: he was deck to the nines, heavy gold rings, clearly

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Speaker 1: But I saw that student who had been working in

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Speaker 1: He said, you have no idea how great it is

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Speaker 3: So he was a gun.

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Speaker 1: He reached out into his pocket and said here, I

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Speaker 1: No thanks, and on the floor of the casino, the state.

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Speaker 2: Uninitiated and through my very low gun knowledge, the loa

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Speaker 1: And it absolutely serial numbers. And it was which he handed.

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Speaker 2: Sophie and Robert gave me was to be like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Say what this means? Say what this means?

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Speaker 2: Because of wis no one knows anything, including me, But

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Speaker 7: This person was just Vegas baby.

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Speaker 6: So as a Canadian, I have a piece of gun

443
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Speaker 6: lore for everyone. And I learned from John McDonald or

444
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 6: Jim McDonald rather is a science fiction writer ex military

445
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 6: writes military science fiction very well regarded, and he said,

446
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Speaker 6: when you write science fiction with a gun in it,

447
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Speaker 6: or any fiction with a gun in it, someone out

448
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 6: there who really cares about guns will find something that

449
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 6: you said that was wrong and they'll make fun of you.

450
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Speaker 6: If you to avoid this, you just need to know

451
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Speaker 6: one word modified And if you say he opened fire

452
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Speaker 6: with his modified whatever walter p PK, no matter what

453
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Speaker 6: it is, you then make the gun do The person

454
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Speaker 6: out there who's a you know, amosexual musket fucker is

455
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Speaker 6: going to be is going to be so interested in

456
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Speaker 6: figuring out what modification you thought of to make this gun?

457
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Speaker 6: Do this, And the weirder it is, the cleverer they'll

458
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Speaker 6: think you are going like, I figured out the cool

459
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Speaker 6: thing you thought of?

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Speaker 3: Am I right? It's kind of like this is a

461
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Speaker 3: very specific reference.

462
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Speaker 2: There's a show called Reapa where Ray Wise from Twin

463
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Speaker 2: Peaks was the devil and it's kind of like how

464
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Speaker 2: they play a game of coin flip I think it is,

465
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Speaker 2: and they use a reflection on the on the tabletop

466
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Speaker 2: to distract the devil because the devil is distracted by

467
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Speaker 2: his own reflection. You need a key jingle for the

468
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Speaker 2: musket fuckers, the homosexual musket fuckers. That's that's a good one,

469
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Speaker 2: but also that's so far.

470
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Speaker 3: I know. I mean with my work.

471
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Speaker 2: When I'm doing my AI stuff, my favorite thing is

472
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Speaker 2: like someone will take one of my shorter pieces so

473
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Speaker 2: they're like twenty nine thousand ones, and we'll say like,

474
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Speaker 2: this guy doesn't know shit, and they will find one

475
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Speaker 2: fucking line and they'll be like, look on that, and

476
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Speaker 2: it will be the weirdest, smallest thing. And I'll always

477
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Speaker 2: be like, so, can you be specific about what this changes?

478
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Speaker 2: They block me. They block me every time. And actually

479
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Speaker 2: there was a so there is a beer. This is

480
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Speaker 2: a random side.

481
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Speaker 1: But this make rough lines, LARPers or sickos.

482
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Speaker 3: Well, no, this is I got sent very fun one.

483
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Speaker 2: So there's this guy on Twitter, real horrible website Buco

484
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Speaker 2: capital bloke who is like a weirdly popular guy, and

485
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Speaker 2: he deleted this tweet, but an egleo i'd reader caught it.

486
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Speaker 2: He said, conflict it because if the AI trade blows up,

487
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Speaker 2: then take Kim's head explodes, which would be very funny.

488
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Speaker 2: But then exitual will be right and that would not

489
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Speaker 2: be funny at all. And I just to be just

490
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Speaker 2: to be clear, this would be the funniest situation because

491
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Speaker 2: that guy deleted it and thinks I didn't get it.

492
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Speaker 3: Sadly, I got the screen show it's going to be

493
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Speaker 3: a great it's going to be a great year for

494
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Speaker 3: stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about the rest of the world, but yeah,

496
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Speaker 2: this actually Corey back to the ghost gun stuff, what

497
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Speaker 2: happened with all that because I don't remember, yeah, I

498
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Speaker 2: mean it just that, yeah, I mean a specific guy,

499
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Speaker 2: but I mean.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember what happened to Defense Distributed. I don't.

501
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think we've had a case that was

502
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Speaker 6: litigated to final judgment about the legality of shape files.

503
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Speaker 6: I mean the legality of the gun itself is pretty established, right,

504
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Speaker 6: but that's good shape files and and look, I just

505
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Speaker 6: I do think that making geometry illegal is dumb. Yes,

506
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Speaker 6: you know, as a like a person who would throw

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Speaker 6: all the guns into the sea or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

508
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Speaker 6: I still think making geometry illegal is dumb.

509
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Speaker 2: And also yeah, at that point you can't build things, Yeah,

510
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Speaker 2: you can't three D print at all.

511
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Speaker 6: And also impractical, right, because like what are you actually

512
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Speaker 6: going to do because there are so many ways to

513
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Speaker 6: express a file that will be that shape because STLs

514
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Speaker 6: can express logic, right, I think it'd be parametric. So

515
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Speaker 6: you can, like, for example, you can have a shape

516
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Speaker 6: file for a key, like a door key, and there

517
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Speaker 6: are variables you can set in the shape file for

518
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Speaker 6: where you want the teeth and how deep they're going

519
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Speaker 6: to go. So it's it's a it is a programmable

520
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Speaker 6: piece of descriptive code. And so there are like an

521
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Speaker 6: infinitude of ways you could write a program in the

522
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Speaker 6: STL description language that would that would emit the illegal geometry.

523
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Speaker 6: So how do you police the illegal geometry?

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Speaker 3: You know?

525
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Speaker 6: It just it just feels like if it's it's one

526
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Speaker 6: thing to make a law that says something is illegal,

527
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Speaker 6: it's another thing to make a law. And even if

528
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Speaker 6: that thing is bad and you want to extinguish it,

529
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Speaker 6: but if you have no way to administer that law,

530
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Speaker 6: you are setting yourself up either for heartbreak or for

531
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Speaker 6: something really bad where you just run around and you

532
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Speaker 6: ques everyone having broken the law, because no one can

533
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Speaker 6: ever tell who's broken the law and who hasn't. Like,

534
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Speaker 6: administerability is the single most important factor in policy design because.

535
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Speaker 3: And just administability means being able to do can you

536
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Speaker 3: administer it? Can you figure out whether someone's violated it? Right?

537
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Speaker 6: So to bring this to the internet, are there a

538
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Speaker 6: lot of people who are very angry and I think

539
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Speaker 6: rightfully so about harassment and hate speech on the platform.

540
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Speaker 6: But a hate speech regime is very hard to police

541
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Speaker 6: because you have a common definition of hate speech. You

542
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Speaker 6: have to evaluate whether a given piece of speech rises

543
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Speaker 6: to the definition. You have to make a technical determination

544
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Speaker 6: about whether the firm took reasonable technical steps to address

545
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Speaker 6: the hate speech. And you know, this is an offense

546
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Speaker 6: that occurs on the platform one hundred times a minute,

547
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Speaker 6: but it's a question that takes five years to adjudicate.

548
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Speaker 6: So this it's just not a good You know, there

549
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Speaker 6: are other fact intensive regimes in law, like like probate law, right,

550
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Speaker 6: but it's fine because the average person dies one or

551
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Speaker 6: fewer times, and so the fact that it takes a

552
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Speaker 6: minute to figure out what to do when they die

553
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Speaker 6: not a big deal.

554
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Speaker 3: But I'm build different. You never say, but I'm going

555
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Speaker 3: to die three times.

556
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Speaker 6: But you know, you could imagine another regime where like

557
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Speaker 6: if you I don't know, if you're a maskeet on user,

558
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Speaker 6: but in no so in mastet on, there's this feature.

559
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Speaker 6: It's a beautiful piece of design where if you want

560
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Speaker 6: to go from one masted on server to another, because

561
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Speaker 6: you can access mast it on from a lot of

562
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Speaker 6: different services run by lots of different people, you click

563
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Speaker 6: a link and it exports all of your data about

564
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Speaker 6: who you were following and who is following you, and

565
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Speaker 6: then you click another link on the news server and

566
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Speaker 6: it imports it and then just all that stuff moves over.

567
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Speaker 6: So we could say to Elon Musk, like, yeah, we're

568
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Speaker 6: still going to have some standards for a hate speech

569
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Speaker 6: and whatever, or we're going to worry about whether your

570
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Speaker 6: your chatbot is shitting out child pornography. But at the

571
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Speaker 6: same time, what we're going to do is create is

572
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Speaker 6: create a mandate that you give people the data they

573
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Speaker 6: need that if they leave Twitter and go to another server,

574
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Speaker 6: they can still talk to the people they left behind

575
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Speaker 6: on Twitter. Because that way, if you don't like the

576
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Speaker 6: way you're being treated on Twitter, you can leave one

577
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Speaker 6: second later. And then this is very easy to administer

578
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 6: because say you know you're running the server and I

579
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 6: leave the server and I don't get my file from you.

580
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Speaker 6: I go to the regulator, and the regulator comes to

581
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Speaker 6: you and says, look, I know you told me that

582
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 6: you gave Corey his file. He says, you didn't give

583
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 6: it to him. I don't care who's right who's wrong.

584
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Speaker 6: Give it to me and I'll give it to him right,

585
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Speaker 6: And then you just resolve the whole question. So you

586
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 6: could have like one person administering this policy for a

587
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Speaker 6: billion users, and then they could all just leave the

588
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Speaker 6: platforms where they're being abused without having to pay a

589
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 6: high switching cost. By exiting a community that means something

590
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Speaker 6: to them, customers or audience members or family members or

591
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Speaker 6: people are the same way disease as them that they're

592
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Speaker 6: in a support group with, they could continue to talk

593
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Speaker 6: with those people.

594
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

595
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Speaker 6: So this is a very administrable remedy. It's much more streamlined.

596
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 6: It actually solves a great deal of the problem. It's

597
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 6: not as good as eliminating hate speech. But I don't

598
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Speaker 6: think you can.

599
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Speaker 2: I just I feel like with some of these platforms,

600
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Blue Scyt, but the original the

601
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Speaker 2: original Twitter problems of like slurs, for example, and it's

602
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Speaker 2: like you can't unilaterally ban them. Sure, other than the

603
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Speaker 2: fact you could kind of lean that way, I feel

604
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Speaker 2: like you could be like you will have to have

605
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Speaker 2: a little more nuanced than that. You will have to

606
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Speaker 2: but I feel like starting from there and working back,

607
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll push back on this is just they

608
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Speaker 2: usually go the other way. It's like, well, let people do,

609
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: everything will work out later. I just feel like it's

610
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: just a half fss attitude. I run the better offline

611
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: reddit with a dread hand. Yeah in the sense, but

612
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Speaker 2: I think the beautiful but the smaller communities you could

613
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Speaker 2: do that.

614
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Speaker 3: With a large social network you can't.

615
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Speaker 6: And you understand the context, right, like the understanding the

616
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Speaker 6: difference between and then I called him this slur and

617
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Speaker 6: made him really sad. Ha ha ha, and uh then

618
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Speaker 6: I got called the slur and I was sad, please

619
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Speaker 6: come and give me comfort. Requires a lot of context knowledge,

620
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Speaker 6: and you know, oftentimes the people using the slurs are

621
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Speaker 6: like that's their hobby and they're really good at, you know,

622
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Speaker 6: working the ref and so it's much more common that

623
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Speaker 6: they're figuring out how to use the slur in a

624
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Speaker 6: way that doesn't get them kicked off and getting the

625
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Speaker 6: people they're using the slur agains kicked off for complaining

626
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Speaker 6: about it.

627
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the classic one being like reporting people for

628
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Speaker 2: death threats, but it's it's friends being like I'm gonna

629
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: kill you man. That's not the classic. Like, I don't

630
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: know how social networks still fall for this shit, but

631
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Speaker 2: it's like they will be the the people doing lighthearted

632
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Speaker 2: stuff that get banned, and then the people with the

633
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Speaker 2: fourteen words and saying eighty eight gets get to keep around.

634
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Speaker 3: I'm boasted, I really.

635
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Speaker 2: I am excited to see though, how the world reacts

636
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: to Twitter becoming the c SAM generator, because if kiss

637
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Speaker 2: Starmer fucking bans X, that'd be the funniest thing I've

638
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Speaker 2: seen in my fucking He won't do it.

639
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Speaker 3: It doesn't have a spine.

640
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Speaker 4: Have you been seeing this came up on my V

641
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: today that the right and the left in the UK

642
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Speaker 4: having dueling protests about who hates Kiers Starmer more.

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, that that is you know.

644
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Speaker 2: What, that's the most That's the most British thing I've

645
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Speaker 2: ever heard.

646
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Speaker 3: We although we don't agree about.

647
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Speaker 4: His humor is called we know we hate Kis Starmer

648
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Speaker 4: more than you, So British.

649
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Speaker 2: That's the most British thing I've ever heard in my life.

650
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Speaker 2: But no, and then someone's gonna have a protest saying

651
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Speaker 2: that we shouldn't have a protest about.

652
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Speaker 3: Anything that we need, like at least four more protests.

653
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Speaker 2: It's the fucking bit for the People's Front of Judea

654
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Speaker 2: from Life of Brian. I love that, I don't love

655
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Speaker 2: kiss Darma. Not gonna lie doesn't seem to it. I

656
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Speaker 2: didn't know that we could get a conservative, labor conservative,

657
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Speaker 2: just the guy who's like, no one's happy.

658
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Speaker 3: He doesn't really have policies.

659
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Speaker 6: Yes, it's again lowest approval ratings of any prime minister

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Speaker 6: since measurement began. He has a lower approval rating than

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Speaker 6: Boris Johnson during the pandemic, after it was discovered that

662
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Speaker 6: he was having parties while everyone else was lockdown nine.

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Speaker 3: He did it for funerals.

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Speaker 6: We found the least popular, and Rachel Reeves is even

665
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Speaker 6: less popular than his.

666
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Speaker 3: What about there's a May.

667
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Speaker 6: Less popular than Theresa May, less popular than Liz Trust.

668
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just about Oh my fucking goun Now

669
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I hate the Lettus thing.

670
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Speaker 3: I hate the Lettus thing so much. It's the most.

671
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Speaker 2: Boring, corny, wanky sh quirk youngus bullshit from the UK.

672
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Speaker 2: We're a country where we used to have when spitting

673
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Speaker 2: image used to have teeth and it wasn't just like

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Speaker 2: Boop and Bow doing home Homer Like that's actually that

675
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Speaker 2: really bothered me. I heard of a spitting image thing

676
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Speaker 2: the other day, which is this puppet show in England

677
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Speaker 2: where they do like political stuff, and all it is

678
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Speaker 2: now is just like outright homophobia.

679
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Speaker 3: It's just like what is Trump? Was good? Who have true?

680
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Speaker 3: Did mere fucking laymark pieces as ship?

681
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Speaker 1: We're a long way from the Land of Confusion video.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and god but it's I can't believe kissed is

683
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Speaker 2: that unpopular though? But actually the only thing that labor

684
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: does reliably is produced people that are less popular than

685
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Speaker 2: the conservative because it's just like, well the Conservatives, we'll

686
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Speaker 2: give a live in and they're like, right, historic fumble,

687
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Speaker 2: historic football every fucking when you watch like Gordon Brown

688
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Speaker 2: and you're like, god, I miss him, you know things.

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Speaker 4: My boy Corbyn win in Oh yeah.

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Speaker 6: He is also screwing up very badly. What's interesting, you know? Yeah,

691
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Speaker 6: all what the fuck is?

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Speaker 5: What?

693
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Speaker 3: You know? The Greens are circling.

694
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Speaker 6: So after World War Two there was a there was

695
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Speaker 6: a reboot of British politics. The Liberal Party collapsed, so

696
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Speaker 6: a party that had been around forever, the Whigs, just

697
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Speaker 6: ceased to exist. Labor came into existence. That was happening

698
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Speaker 6: to the Conservatives as of the last election, and the

699
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Speaker 6: Reform Party we're about to basically scoop up all the

700
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Speaker 6: Conservative voters who didn't like the way that the party

701
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Speaker 6: was being run. But it looks like it's also happening

702
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Speaker 6: to Labor. Yeah, and there is there are two potential

703
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Speaker 6: places where the left is going to go. The Greens

704
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 6: have not been great historically. They've had a lot of

705
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Speaker 6: bad policies. They were into homeopathy for a while whatever.

706
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Speaker 6: But they have got a terrific new leader, Zak Polanski,

707
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Speaker 6: who is basically young, charismatic Corbin interesting, and Corbin himself is.

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Speaker 3: Not charismatic Crown and.

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Speaker 6: Just very bad at organizing, and Polanski's an organizer. I'm

710
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Speaker 6: very bullish on the British Greens.

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Speaker 2: That'd be nice. I mean, we did lose Scott Galloway. Sorry,

712
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Speaker 2: we've got they sent Scott Galloway there. I mean like

713
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Speaker 2: they sent Scott Galloway to England. I thought or maybe

714
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Speaker 2: he moved from England to Florida. I can't remember which

715
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Speaker 2: direction they sent that piece to Florida. Yeah, that's okay.

716
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Speaker 2: By the way, just want to just a completely blunt statement,

717
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Speaker 2: if you move from England to Florida, they should put

718
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Speaker 2: you on the list.

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Speaker 3: I know what you are.

720
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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a Floridian, we have a very long tradition

721
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Speaker 1: of accepting the garbage of the world and making it

722
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Speaker 1: our own.

723
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Speaker 2: It's like the Staten Island to Florida thing, except it's

724
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Speaker 2: not just because you're old and hate everyone. It's because

725
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: you're horny and a new way they haven't quite identified.

726
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're welcome. Check that out.

727
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the male loneliness crisis is solved in Palm Beach, Florida,

728
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Speaker 2: isn't it.

729
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Speaker 1: No, it's Ebor City, is it.

730
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Speaker 3: What's that?

731
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Speaker 1: Because even Tampa and has a place they need to

732
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Speaker 1: make mistakes.

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Speaker 3: I thought that that was just Tampa.

734
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Speaker 1: Now even Tampa has the place to go to go

735
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Speaker 1: make life errors. Yeah, and that is Ebor City.

736
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Speaker 3: God.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm And as we look into this year, I

738
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: gotta admit I realized things are quite bad and things

739
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: are going to get a lot more chaotic. But I

740
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: think the chaos is necessary. Coming out of this week.

741
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: All I can feel in my gut is like destruction

742
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: from this show. Not literally, but this feels like a

743
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: reckoning of Like, Corey, you'll have some good historical knowledge

744
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 2: of like twenty years of hubris in the tech industry,

745
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: of moving away from we made a thing that people

746
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: could use towards Actually, random question, Corey, you ever read

747
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: the case for the Startup by Ben Horwitz? It was

748
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: a PC roade actually before software is eating the world,

749
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: Horrowitz even it was basically saying the worst thing hell

750
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Speaker 2: was having a startup that was not the leader in

751
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Speaker 2: the market.

752
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Speaker 3: I know this. I've not read the paper, but I've

753
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: heard it described.

754
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Speaker 2: It's just it's a it's a guy one of the

755
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Speaker 2: Horowitz of Andres and Horowitz early on twenty ten, I think,

756
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Speaker 2: and I think ever since then, we have been leading

757
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: to this point where you chase out the companies that

758
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, we'll build something cool and we'll compete

759
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Speaker 2: in a market, and you'll chase them out in favor

760
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: of companies like we will win the market, even if

761
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 2: it means changing the market materially, even if it means

762
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: using means such as and to monopolistic tendencies, or just

763
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: race to the bottom, or using funding to chase people

764
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Speaker 2: out uber to your point ed, and I think what

765
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: we're seeing this CEES is what happens when you just

766
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: chase growth. Because the thing about all these companies is, yeah,

767
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: you can judge them, and you should judge them, and

768
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: they fucking suck. And I think all of these LLM

769
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: rappers deserve gone the trash along with their founders. But

770
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's like scorpion the frog. It's

771
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: when you incentivize bringing things to a show that do

772
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: not exist, when you give them awards, when you write

773
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: them up and act like they're real year after year,

774
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: regardless of whether the fucking thing actually exists. Of course

775
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: you're going to get a CES predominantly made of things

776
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: that don't and that things that exist only to get

777
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: invested in from the normally people who came here like

778
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: Chloe Redgcliff to the extremely technical people like Corey. It's

779
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: the same thing of like, this is just a company

780
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: that's here to jingle the keys in front of the

781
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Speaker 2: investors or the not even the buyers, just investors invest

782
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: in me or in front of the press. And I

783
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: think in this next year, we're going to see what

784
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: happens when you do that everywhere, and we're going to

785
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: see the collapse of these AI startups that never had

786
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: a point and we're never built for anything other than

787
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Speaker 2: selling to someone else or dumping onto the public markets.

788
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Speaker 3: Except none of them can chase that, all the smart

789
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Speaker 3: people in favor of people you can't count.

790
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Speaker 6: So I think if you want to identify something over

791
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 6: twenty years that's monotonically increased, it's the way that it

792
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 6: comments are able to block new market entry. So you know, historically,

793
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Speaker 6: if you're going to make something new, you would make

794
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 6: it work with the thing that already existed. You know,

795
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 6: canonical example, like when we opened up AT and T

796
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 6: after the breakup in nineteen eighty two, the modem just

797
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 6: plugged into their shit, right. You didn't need to make

798
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 6: a phone network, You just needed to make a modem, right,

799
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 6: and that everything exploded and that happened, right. It's sometimes

800
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 6: called permissionless innovation. Sometimes it's called disruption. Both of those

801
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 6: terms have got into bad odor. But you know this

802
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 6: idea that you don't create a market denovo, you raid

803
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 6: the high margin lines of sclerotic you know, legacy companies

804
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Speaker 6: that are dominating the market. And you you, you know,

805
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 6: this is what Jeff Bezos said to the publishers when

806
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Speaker 6: he launched Amazon. Infamously, he went to a boardroom full

807
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 6: of publishers and he said, your margin is my opportunity, right,

808
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 6: so you take those high margins, you make them your opportunity.

809
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: And so when AT and T gets broken up and

810
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 6: they lose the ability to control what you plug into

811
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Speaker 6: the phone jack, we see modems, we see an explosion

812
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 6: of answering machines PBX. It's just all this stuff that

813
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 6: is just like built layered on top of the existing stuff.

814
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 6: But you can't do that anymore, you know. In Facebook launch,

815
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 6: they had this problem that everyone who could have used

816
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Speaker 6: Facebook had a MySpace account, and so he gave you know,

817
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Speaker 6: Zuck gave everyone who had a MySpace account a bot

818
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Speaker 6: that you fed your MySpace credentials to and it would

819
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Speaker 6: go to MySpace several times a day and impersonate you,

820
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Speaker 6: scrape everything waiting for you and put it into your

821
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Speaker 6: Facebook feed. It then you could reply to it, right,

822
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Speaker 6: so you didn't have to choose between your friends and

823
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 6: superior service. Facebook's initial pitch was We're like Myspaceboar were

824
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Speaker 6: not run by an evil billionaire and we never spy

825
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Speaker 6: on you.

826
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Speaker 3: Thank god.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, uh and thank god. And so you could have this.

828
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Speaker 6: You could eat your cake and have a two. And

829
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Speaker 6: you know, you do this to Facebook, they will nuke

830
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Speaker 6: you till you glow. It's not technically challenging, and it's

831
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Speaker 6: not hard to think of cool things to do, so

832
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Speaker 6: you know. Twenty twenty four, there was a startup from

833
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 6: two teenagers called og app say almost the same thing.

834
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Speaker 6: You gave it your Insta credentials. It logged in as you,

835
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 6: It grabbed everything Insta had waiting for you. It discarded

836
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Speaker 6: all the suggestions, all the ads, all the recommendations, all

837
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 6: the boosted content, and all the clickbait, and showed you

838
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Speaker 6: things from people you followed from in reverse chronological order.

839
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Speaker 6: Right and oh the Facebook I want Yeah, And that

840
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Speaker 6: day it hit the top ten of both app markets

841
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 6: and that night met us at a takedown notice to

842
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 6: Apple and Google and they removed it.

843
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: Nice, and that's that's they won't remove x though. Sure no,

844
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: but that's no.

845
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Speaker 6: But there's honor among thieves exactly, yeah, yeah, no, No,

846
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 6: these guys are not really competitors they all sat behind

847
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump.

848
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Speaker 2: On the dayas But that's the thing though, the egregious

849
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: of that is large language models, hear me out. So

850
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: none of these companies can be run on cash flow

851
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: doing the bit. But you can't compete with open AI.

852
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: You can't compete with Anthropic. You can't because the train

853
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: these models requires that at best, millions and millions and

854
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars and access to infrastructure at

855
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: a scale. What I mean, if you want to compete

856
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: with them, you need hundreds of millions of dollars, and

857
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: you need the talent a big capital mote, well the

858
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Speaker 2: capital mote, but also the talent mode sure, and the

859
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Speaker 2: RSU mode.

860
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Speaker 3: They can just offer stock. So it's impossible to enter there.

861
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: But even as an AI startup, you can't compete with

862
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: the venture capital industry.

863
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 3: There is no scrappy AI startup.

864
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: Sure you can say, oh, well we've got you know,

865
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Speaker 2: we scrape by with how much hundreds of thousands of dollars.

866
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Speaker 3: I think you're right.

867
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Speaker 6: I think AI has got formal characteristics that make it

868
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Speaker 6: attractive to VC, and one of them is that it

869
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 6: looks like it tends towards a winner. Take all market,

870
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Speaker 6: which is the thing VC's very obviously loved. This is,

871
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 6: you know, zero to one, all of those all the

872
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 6: VC nonsense.

873
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: I think.

874
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Speaker 6: The other one is that the jobs that they think

875
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Speaker 6: AI will take our capital p professional jobs in the

876
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Speaker 6: sense that a professional is someone, yeah, a professional, someone

877
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 6: who's bound to a code of ethics that not only

878
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 6: permits them but requires them to tell their boss to

879
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 6: fuck off if their boss asks them to do something

880
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 6: that's not moral. And so you have this whole class

881
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 6: of people teachers, nurses, rad techs, you know whatever, who

882
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 6: are like obliged to say fuck off to their bosses.

883
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 6: And no wonder they're having such an easy time selling

884
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 6: this otherwise vaporous technology because bosses have been furiously fantasizing

885
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 6: about firing everyone who's allowed to tell them to fuck

886
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 6: off since the idea of a profession emerged. And so,

887
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 6: you know, you have all these different formal characteristics. The

888
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 6: winner take all dynamic, we fire all the people who

889
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 6: get to tell us to fuck off dynamic, you know,

890
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 6: like it's very exciting.

891
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: And the fight to maintain the codes of ethics. It

892
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: also often t ching students that this is why I

893
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: demand this of them, and why they should demand it

894
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: for themselves may often be the first time they've ever

895
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: heard for the concept of a code of ethics, which

896
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: is depressing, but also it warms my heart for I

897
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: get to be the person who teaches you to care

898
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: about yourself.

899
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: The thing is, though, I also think there's something quite simple,

900
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 2: which is all of that's true, and none of these

901
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: people know what their people actually do, like the people

902
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: they want to the people they want to fire, they

903
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: truly do not understand what it is they do. Like

904
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to choose like a random public business inside

905
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 2: all of the layoffs they did there, and it's like, oh,

906
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: well replace them with AI.

907
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: Well we won't. That didn't work.

908
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: But you know we're going to say we're AI first.

909
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Well, I can't really stop asking

910
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: so many fucking questions you ask everyone around here talking

911
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: about worker replacement and that This is the thing that

912
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: actually drives me the craziest all the time. It's the

913
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: people like, yeah, work a replacement, worker replacement, Have you

914
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: fucking used one of them? They don't work. They just

915
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: don't work. They don't work. Occasion, I'll see someone on

916
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 2: Twitter be like my my wife who's a special doctor

917
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: at the most genius Hospital New York City. She put

918
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: in a thing and it came up with a differential

919
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: diagnosis that usually and it's just fuck off, you fucking

920
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: lying second shit. Ah, And it's but everyone I've been

921
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: talking to this week outside of this room, of course,

922
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: who talks about worker replacements like yeah, and you know,

923
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: of course right now it's replacing workers where well, I

924
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: think coders are you need to.

925
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 6: Differentiate between the AI can do your job and an

926
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 6: a salesman can convince your bastard fiery replace that's that

927
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 6: can't do your That's the point, that's exactly it.

928
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: It's like they say, it's almost like they find actually

929
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: know that's it. They finally created an economy where you've

930
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: come out like efficacy or like what a thing does

931
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: to just like finally we create a thing for salespeople

932
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: to sell to CEOs.

933
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: No one knows what's going on with.

934
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: The actual product, whether it works, whether it's good or bad,

935
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: just like the vibes baby.

936
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: But then also there are bosses who could give less

937
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 4: of a fuck about whether it works or not. They

938
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: know that what their headcount reduction for the year house

939
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: to be. Yeah, and they're just gonna be like, well, hey,

940
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 4: you know what, I yeah, I can do this. You

941
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 4: know Microsoft, for example, aren't they They're like rumored to

942
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: be doing a massive layoffs again, and then they keep

943
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: doing layoffs every single year.

944
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: Why they do them? They just fucking the well.

945
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: Actually, Microsoft I think has genuine brain madness though, because

946
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: I talk to people that I have a ton of mine.

947
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: If your work for Microsoft always reach out? Is it

948
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: a better off lining dot com?

949
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: Is it fro?

950
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm not seventy six in the signal. It's funny every

951
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: time I hear from them. I never hear from anyone

952
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: who's like, I fucking love this. AI is actually huge.

953
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: It's always people being like my product manager, who does

954
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: not appear to do any work, has told me that

955
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: AI and Copilot must be used, and it's just it's

956
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: people again, senior people too, being like, I don't know

957
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on with Jay Perig's other

958
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: at Microsoft. Real Loser Guy went from a company called

959
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: move Works, which was famous for buying thirty thousand dollars

960
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: worth of Lululemon gift cards to give to people to

961
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: buy their software, went to Meta, then went to Microsoft

962
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: to run Ai. It's just like there are these business

963
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: idiots who bounce around and just go AI, baby, we're here,

964
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: it's time, And then the sales team goes out tries

965
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: to sell it, and they're like, yeah, it turns out

966
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: that people want something that works, that actually does the job,

967
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: and you keep saying it's digital labor, but that it

968
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: don't don't do that at all. And it gets back

969
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: to the point I was making. It's like, we're at

970
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: the natural end point when you start removing the product

971
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: from the sale.

972
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: Sure.

973
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 6: I have a bit of a little Lemon trivia for

974
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 6: the guy who found a little lemon giant piece of

975
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 6: shit Iron ran worshiping libertarian edge Lord.

976
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

977
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 6: The reason he called it Lululemon. He thought it would

978
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 6: be fun to hear Japanese tourists in Vancouver try and

979
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 6: say lemon, so he picked a word with as many

980
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 6: l's in it as possible.

981
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: I fucking hate that so much.

982
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 6: He also had no fact checks policy for quite some time.

983
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 6: It's like, no, we don't do plus sizes, no fact

984
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 6: checks policy. What is this platform of the newsletter?

985
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: Checks?

986
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 3: Not fact checks? Fat checks?

987
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh my bad, Yes, I really misheard that one. It's

988
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: usually usually the other way around. I'll say something in

989
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: an America, Sorry Canadian won't understand.

990
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: Do you like to go to the Pond Store?

991
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 3: No, we're not talking about Bawn Stars. I would.

992
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm serious if I could get Chum Lee from that

993
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: show on this.

994
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: Prison is he in jail?

995
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: You may have had a teensy bit of a cum problem.

996
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to say it, but look at him.

997
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 2: Then listen to every tour and look, yeah, yeah Jimmy, no, no, no, no, no,

998
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: none of that. Yeah, It's gonna be an interesting year

999
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: because I just think it's a reckoning of every like

1000
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 2: the twenty years of dumb fuck decisions, the Iraq War,

1001
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: the DHS, and then the venture capital era. I think

1002
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: the venture capital era is coming to an end. I'm

1003
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: not saying VC will go away, but I don't think

1004
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: people add a six things.

1005
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 4: He just raised their biggest fun and they get their return.

1006
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 4: They're gonna make the tech industry multiples larger.

1007
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: The funniest thing I saw though, was someone posting about, Wow,

1008
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: look how great Andrew says. Look at these vintages and

1009
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: they stop at twenty seventeen. I'm just like, ah, yeah,

1010
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: look how good this is and as we was, we

1011
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: all know the time stopped.

1012
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: Listen. I believe in cone Hen. I think he can

1013
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: do anything he sets that point to. It's the thing like,

1014
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: even he can be wrong.

1015
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: And the whole thing, the whole reason that vcs like

1016
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: that have done well is not because of them being geniuses,

1017
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 2: is because when the really obvious things that will obviously sell,

1018
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: they just go to them first. They just go and

1019
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: or at a later round or Yeah, they will always

1020
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: know that they can get in there and that company

1021
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: will help.

1022
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 4: That's a big thing of theirs is that you know,

1023
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 4: if you fuck up and you don't get in on

1024
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 4: the winner, then get in on the winner on the

1025
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 4: next round and crowd everyone out.

1026
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1027
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: And the thing is, though venture capitals running out of money,

1028
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: fifteen billion dollars go to Andresen Horowitz.

1029
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 3: That's going to drain it from all the other people

1030
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: that need it. The thing is is why the fuck

1031
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: they're going to sell these stops to Aquaman? Like what's

1032
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: going on?

1033
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 6: See, I think there's so much money to be made

1034
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 6: out there if we can.

1035
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: Unlock the silos.

1036
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 6: Right, So, like just think about some of those fast

1037
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 6: adopted technologies in the history of the world like the VCR, right,

1038
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 6: people love home recording. We don't have VCRs anymore because

1039
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 6: it's illegal to break DRM. So it's still legal to

1040
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 6: record shows. It's just every show that arrives in your house,

1041
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 6: either rise by streaming, cable or satellite. They're all encrypted.

1042
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 6: It's against the law of break the encryption. Because of

1043
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 6: the DMCA, the recording is legal, the breaking the encryption

1044
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 6: to do the recording isn't.

1045
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: Who who would not like?

1046
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 6: I think you could sell every person in America a

1047
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 6: PVR for streaming, Well, just like recording.

1048
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 3: Recording the stuff you watch.

1049
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 6: So you know everyone's like, oh, I hate streaming because

1050
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 6: they take away the shows I love. You should just

1051
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 6: record them. You should just record them the way you

1052
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 6: did off your television. It is legal and exactly the

1053
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 6: same way it was legal.

1054
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: To record it off your TV.

1055
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: Seeing this company called play On I worked with like

1056
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, so it's okay, likes I just I

1057
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 2: can say that does that they seem to exist?

1058
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: Were they using the analog outputs? I got no idea.

1059
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 6: You're now seeing downsampling on the There's a thing called

1060
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 6: selectable output control that we fought really hard in cable

1061
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 6: card and lost on where they downsample the analog outputs

1062
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 6: and so the analog outputs are just garbage. So what

1063
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 6: you record off of it is like a postage stamp.

1064
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 6: And so you know, that was like there were the

1065
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 6: Elgado did this for a long time. There were a

1066
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 6: bunch of companies that had that had analog stuff. There's

1067
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 6: actually a name for what they wanted to do about this.

1068
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 6: They called it plugging the analog hole, which is like

1069
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 6: the people who ride themselves and their ability to communicate

1070
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 6: with the public. Coming up with we will now plug

1071
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 6: everyone's analog holes was just a moment.

1072
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: Of just incredible ice.

1073
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I wrote something about it that got translated

1074
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 6: into German. I learned my most useful German UH phrase,

1075
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 6: which is plugging the analog hole in German, which is

1076
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 6: dust analogy lostoffen. And so now if I ever need,

1077
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 6: I can order tap water, I can ask if there

1078
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 6: are any hotel rooms, and I can tell you I

1079
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 6: want to plug your analog hole in German.

1080
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: That's which is a very common German conversation.

1081
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 1: Clubs all the time.

1082
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: I just think.

1083
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 8: That, oh my god, we're gonna and I just think

1084
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 8: entering this year I'm just I'm excited for because I

1085
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 8: live in cash.

1086
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 2: But it's I will say, every day I keep seeing

1087
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: people increasingly more frantic about this market and about VC.

1088
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: And also we can't sell any AI companies. No one's

1089
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: buying them. They have to do these weird like deals

1090
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, we're not hiring you, we're signing

1091
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: a license and we're not going to pay all the

1092
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: people off. We're going to play the top brass off

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Speaker 2: who will then join our company the IP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to license it. We don't really care,

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Speaker 3: We're just getting the talent. Yeah, it's just acquhirer. Yes.

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Speaker 3: The thing is aquahias traditionally.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm old enough to remember back in

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Speaker 2: like twenty thirteen when an aquhi was you losing?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like when we sort of I mean,

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Speaker 6: there were a lot of startups that were effectively just

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Speaker 6: like there were a lot of vcs who said, really

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Speaker 6: what I am as a headhunter? And I go out

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Speaker 6: and I get a bunch of promising people, maybe people

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Speaker 6: who are already working a big tech I give them

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Speaker 6: some money to build what amounts to a postgraduate project,

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Speaker 6: and then they get high. You're back at either their

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Speaker 6: former employer or a new employer, and they get a

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Speaker 6: hiring bonus in the form of their stock being bought

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Speaker 6: by the company. I get a finder's fee in the

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Speaker 6: forum of my stock being bought by the company. Was

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Speaker 6: just the shittiest way to run an executive recruiting.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, the company gets the patent.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, though, that's not even happening anymore

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Speaker 2: because there are no patents. Yeah no, what you can't

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Speaker 2: patent prompt engineering. You can't patent the fuck it because

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Speaker 2: that's all it is.

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Speaker 3: I haven't looked into it.

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Speaker 6: So the USPTO is not issuing a ton of it's

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Speaker 6: a shitty AI patents.

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Speaker 1: Also, they damaged deeply the USPTO with doge.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's funny.

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Speaker 2: And it's also just I don't think you can patent Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe you can try, but I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: people patenting prompts.

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Speaker 6: Well, the USPTO has historically been very bad about granting

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Speaker 6: bullshitty patents. You know, we fought and killed a patent

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Speaker 6: that effectively would have allowed one company to control all podcasting.

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Speaker 6: So like, the reason this podcast is on the air

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Speaker 6: is that we we we killed this patent. The trumpetman

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Speaker 6: is now moving to make it harder to get patent

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Speaker 6: re examination. So if a bullshit patent issues, it's harder

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Speaker 6: to challenge the patent. So I think we're going to

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Speaker 6: see a lot more garbagee patterns, more patent trolling. There's

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Speaker 6: a town in East Texas, yeah, where they have a

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Speaker 6: made judge and all of the all the patent cases

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Speaker 6: go there to die. There's like seven hundred companies that

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Speaker 6: are headquartered in like one dusty building and it's just

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Speaker 6: a bunch of mailboxes with you know, brass keys. And

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Speaker 6: then all the big companies that get sued by patent

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Speaker 6: trolls try to sweeten the jury by putting money into

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Speaker 6: public work. So Samsung built them a year round outdoor

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Speaker 6: ice skating rink in I think it's West Texas. In

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Speaker 6: like it's one hundred and fifteen degrees in the summer

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Speaker 6: and they have a year round outdoor ice skating rink

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Speaker 6: that Samsung pays for.

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Speaker 3: This is like a capitalist libertarian paradise.

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Speaker 2: This is just like what if actually, like this is

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Speaker 2: the world that the libertarians think that they could build.

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Speaker 3: But you'll never beat Samsung.

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Speaker 2: Samsung. Samsung will fuck thank you what big time? All right,

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna wrap this up. It has been

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Speaker 2: such a wonderful show. It's been fun, great enjoyed having

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Speaker 2: all of you here. Thank you Cory for making the

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Speaker 2: trip out.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Ed, Thanks Phil, thank you, thank you, Thank you Mattasowski,

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Speaker 3: our incredible producer, mister Longuso Junior, Thank you for joining

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Speaker 3: me once more. Thank you for having me. Mister Philip Broughton,

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Speaker 2: listeners have stuck with us on an incredible show. We

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Speaker 2: have done incredibly well. It's a great show. We will

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