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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to a very special episode of

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Speaker 1: Move the Sticks. DJ. Bucky with you Buck? How you

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Speaker 1: doing man? Man, I'm good, DJ. I'm glad that we

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to a crossover podcast. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: both of us love baseball, and so to have an

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Speaker 1: All the teams have reported for spring training right now.

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Speaker 1: I know we're headed towards the NFL Scouting Combine, but

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Speaker 1: we wanted to give you guys a chance to just

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Speaker 1: take a little pause from that as we gear up

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Speaker 1: towards the draft and uh, and let's just enjoy a

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Speaker 1: little crossover Move the six episode. We've done this in

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Speaker 1: the past, but the Winter meetings were in San Diego

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Speaker 1: this year. Bucky and I had a chance to go

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Speaker 1: take away that could help us as we're constantly trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out the best way to build a football team.

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Speaker 1: So uh, in this episode, today, You're gonna hear interviews

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Speaker 1: with Padres General manager A. J. Parlor. You're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: interview you with White Sox Senior Vice president UH and

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Speaker 1: general manager Rick Han. You're also going to hear from

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Speaker 1: Harold Reynolds and Tom Berducci as well as Brian Kenny,

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Speaker 1: three absolute studs there from MLB Network with some fascinating

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Speaker 1: from baseball and apply it to football. Let's not waste

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Speaker 1: any time, Buck, Let's get right to this first conversation.

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Speaker 1: This is our chat with the Padres President of Baseball

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Speaker 1: Operations and general Manager A. J. Prelor. Alright, Buck, excited

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Speaker 1: to have a J Pelor with us. AJ appreciates taking

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Speaker 1: some time for us today. Man. First of all, Uh,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like you guys, it's long and there's

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Speaker 1: for most of the year, got hot the last six weeks,

429
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Speaker 1: got their way in and wind up winning the whole thing.

430
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Speaker 1: So the key is getting in. But as you see

431
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Speaker 1: here today and you start playing with your magnet boards

432
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Speaker 1: and your your projections, it's about winning a championship. One

433
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Speaker 1: of the things we always talk about in team building is,

434
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Speaker 1: you know, you go out and scout. You have your

435
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Speaker 1: on the football side, your college scouting staff, you get

436
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Speaker 1: your pro scouting staff looking at free agents, looking at

437
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Speaker 1: college kids. But a lot of times I think one

438
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Speaker 1: of the more under appreciated elements is knowing your own roster.

439
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Speaker 1: How much time do you guys spend on that, knowing

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Speaker 1: yourself before you go out and try and you know,

441
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Speaker 1: in this acquiring season, try and get better. No, it's

442
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Speaker 1: huge because look, we're all all, thirty of them, are

443
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Speaker 1: guilty of loving our own guys. You draft a guy,

444
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Speaker 1: you sign a guy out of the Dominican when he's sixteen,

445
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Speaker 1: or draft a kid out of high school at eighteen

446
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Speaker 1: or out of college one, and you fall in love

447
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Speaker 1: with them initially as part of the reason you drafted them,

448
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Speaker 1: and you spend the years to the ups and downs

449
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Speaker 1: as they go through the minor league system, and you

450
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Speaker 1: get unduly attached to your own guys. Now, every club

451
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Speaker 1: knows that they're susceptible to over evaluations, so you try

452
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Speaker 1: to put as much objective sort of breaks involved, whether

453
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Speaker 1: it's using the data to try to put the guys

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Speaker 1: in the right order, or just having certain scouts or

455
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Speaker 1: certain guys in your system on the on the staffing

456
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Speaker 1: side who are charged with giving you the god's honest

457
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Speaker 1: truth on your guys. Don't worry about where he's drafted.

458
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Speaker 1: Don't worry about how much money we put in him.

459
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Speaker 1: Don't worry about what player we gave up in order

460
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Speaker 1: to acquire them. Those are all the biases that may

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Speaker 1: affect me or someone sitting in the you know, Kenny Williams,

462
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Speaker 1: or someone involved in the GM decisions. But in the end,

463
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Speaker 1: you've got to try to strip it all down and

464
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Speaker 1: remove the biases and be as objective as you can

465
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Speaker 1: be about your own guys. Uh. You know we talked

466
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Speaker 1: about wanting to have an objective reason to believe in

467
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Speaker 1: the upside. Uh, you certainly are more inclined to give

468
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Speaker 1: your own guys the benefit of the doubt when you

469
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Speaker 1: know him and you know the makeup. Uh. But even

470
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Speaker 1: when we're talking to our pro scouts, the guys assigned

471
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Speaker 1: with evaluating other organizations, it's get to know the makeup,

472
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Speaker 1: get to know what make these guys tick and give

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Speaker 1: us a reason to understand why you think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: hit that upside. So it's funny because I hear you

475
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Speaker 1: talking about what makes him tick. And football we always

476
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Speaker 1: talk about uh looking at the player on the field,

477
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Speaker 1: but then it's the football character. So in baseball terms,

478
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Speaker 1: what is baseball character? Consists of who? You know what

479
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Speaker 1: we're looking for guys. I think when you talked about

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Speaker 1: a guy's quality makeup, you talk about a guy who

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Speaker 1: is a winner. You're talking about a guy who has

482
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Speaker 1: faced diversity and able to overcome it. As you know,

483
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Speaker 1: baseball is a humbling, humbling game. The best hitters in

484
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Speaker 1: the world fail us is seven out of ten times. UH.

485
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Speaker 1: Pictures are gonna have their limited amount of outings, and

486
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Speaker 1: if something goes bad and one of them, their numbers

487
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 1: may look for for an extended period of time. So

488
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Speaker 1: it's those guys that have the ability to pull themselves

489
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Speaker 1: out of adversity to remain focused on the next at bat,

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Speaker 1: to be able to block out what's happened in the

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Speaker 1: past and focus on putting themselves in a position to improve.

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Speaker 1: And the secondary part of that is almost sort of

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Speaker 1: that honest desire to win and improve themselves and be

494
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Speaker 1: part of a winning atmosphere and a winning team. A

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Speaker 1: guy who you know team loses six to four but

496
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Speaker 1: has four hits and is is not upset by loss

497
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Speaker 1: is not the kind of guy you want your clubhounds.

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Speaker 1: You want the guy who you know, even if he

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Speaker 1: went over four, if the team want he found a

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Speaker 1: way to contribute in a positive way, even if it's

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Speaker 1: just you know, pulling through for rooting for the guys

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Speaker 1: in the in the dugout. Uh. There's so many different

503
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Speaker 1: ways that character is gonna in the end affect you.

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Speaker 1: It's no different from football. But when we look at

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Speaker 1: our schedule of being over seven and a half months together,

506
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Speaker 1: there's only so much room you can have for guys

507
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Speaker 1: who aren't pulling in the same direction. And we do

508
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Speaker 1: the best we can to try to put as talented

509
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Speaker 1: as a team together as we can, but in the

510
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Speaker 1: end have the right combination of makeup that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to get us through that slog and maximize the

512
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Speaker 1: ability everyone in that room as football guys. I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: has there been a player, you know, I know there's

514
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys that played both sports, but has

515
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Speaker 1: there been a player, a specific player you can recall

516
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Speaker 1: you think would have been an unbelievable baseball player that

517
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Speaker 1: that went the football round geez g See. Our experience

518
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Speaker 1: has been a little bit more with the guys who

519
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Speaker 1: played both sports and then wound up in baseball. I

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Speaker 1: mean we had, you know, I just actually midway through

521
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Speaker 1: the new Bow Jackson book talking about doing right to

522
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Speaker 1: the pinnacle of multi sport guys, we were talking about

523
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Speaker 1: bo uh and so much of that that I've read

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Speaker 1: so far. And obviously bo was part of the White

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Speaker 1: Sox family and lucky enough to be able to spend

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Speaker 1: a little time with him, another multi sport guy. I

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Speaker 1: think they played for the White Sox for a minute too,

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Speaker 1: in the minor league levels. I think it was a

529
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Speaker 1: pretty good athlete, basketball player. What was his name again,

530
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's. Yeah, he was pretty good. That's by the way.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible though. You think about maybe the two greatest

532
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Speaker 1: athletes of a century both like that. It's outstanding. It's outstanding,

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Speaker 1: it is. It is such a uniquthing. But in thinking

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Speaker 1: about um that because a lot of kids get confused.

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Speaker 1: Because we are advocates of football players playing multiple sports

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Speaker 1: in baseball, are you guys also advocates for young people

537
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Speaker 1: doing more than just playing baseball all the time across

538
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Speaker 1: the board? I mean, I got two boys, my neither

539
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Speaker 1: of them are gonna wind up playing professionally, but wanted

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Speaker 1: them playing multiple sports growing up as well. But when

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a pro prospect, we think there's huge

542
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Speaker 1: benefits not just to your body, not just to learning

543
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Speaker 1: how to be a good teammate in different environments, but

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Speaker 1: in terms of you accessing that athleticism in different ways.

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Speaker 1: You know, fundamentally, like all baseball activity, you know, happens

546
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Speaker 1: from the core, and having good balance is the key

547
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Speaker 1: of success. Having explosive this is a key to success.

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Speaker 1: Being able to access that in different ways, whether it's track, basketball, football,

549
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Speaker 1: uh and being in those different types of clubhouse we

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Speaker 1: think helps round out the athlete in a stronger way

551
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Speaker 1: and the character of the individual in a stronger way.

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Speaker 1: One of the more stressful times for for a football

553
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Speaker 1: scout is that first mini camp after the draft. We

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Speaker 1: get the guys in and we've we've joked about it

555
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Speaker 1: because we've all been there and had the first round

556
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Speaker 1: and you go, oh no, this is yeah. And then

557
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Speaker 1: but then you'll see the seventh round guy like this

558
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Speaker 1: guy what a steel Okay, the first time you get

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Speaker 1: a chance to get your your arms round a draft

560
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Speaker 1: class and I guess it would be in in Arizona

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Speaker 1: with that where we see him towards. We'll have a

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Speaker 1: mini camp soon after the draft, get everyone sort of together,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get him out to their rookie a

564
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Speaker 1: ball or rookie league affiliate. But I mean, is there

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Speaker 1: is there a difference? I mean, I would imagine and

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Speaker 1: sometimes you you maybe he hasn't played him a little

567
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Speaker 1: while and he comes in and you don't you don't

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Speaker 1: really know what you're gonna get until you see him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and see, that's the key because fortunately we

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Speaker 1: have strong enough communication between player development and mature scouting

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Speaker 1: that all the guys on the player development staff know

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Speaker 1: why a guy was drafted that first meeting. When they're

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Speaker 1: ever getting we're all getting together, say at the spring

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Speaker 1: training complex in Arizona. Representatives of amateur scouting will be

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Speaker 1: there to explain what we saw on this guy, why

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Speaker 1: we think he can get better, and as you alluded to,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't played in six weeks, or he's coming off

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Speaker 1: an injury, or he's already hit throwing the most inatings

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Speaker 1: of his entire life. So let's have a plan for

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Speaker 1: the next few months to sort of ease him in

581
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Speaker 1: the pro ball. We really really do the best we

582
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Speaker 1: can not to forge any opinions in that first there's

583
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Speaker 1: always that tension where you want the guy to show. Shoot.

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Speaker 1: We sometimes we'd have guys come to Chicago for their signing,

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Speaker 1: you know, just the dog and pony show for the media,

586
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Speaker 1: and you get the guy take you take batting practice

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Speaker 1: with the team, and you're sitting there back there, like

588
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Speaker 1: and I hope he goes yard here, don't the top

589
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Speaker 1: of the cage? At the top of the cage? That

590
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Speaker 1: is so funny? Um, are you talk about your player

591
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Speaker 1: development piece? And so much of football's not only talent

592
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Speaker 1: acquisition but player development. How and concern or how connected

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Speaker 1: are you guys when it comes to ay, this guy

594
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Speaker 1: needs to work on these things to give him an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to play at the next level. You know, our

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Speaker 1: Chris gets who's our assistant GM and runs player development

597
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Speaker 1: for us UH. He and his staff have an individual

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Speaker 1: development plan for each and every player and the origins

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Speaker 1: of that will come from amateur scouting or perhaps from

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Speaker 1: pro scouting if it's via trade, about who this player is,

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Speaker 1: what we think he's capable of doing, and how he

602
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: needs to get better, and then Chris and his staff,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a hitting coordinator or the pitching coordinator or

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Speaker 1: the individual field staff at each affiliate, will come with

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Speaker 1: a plan of how we're going to execute it. And

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Speaker 1: obviously there will be you know, biometric evaluation as part

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Speaker 1: of that as well as statistical performance part of that,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of it is sitting down face to

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Speaker 1: face of the player and saying, hey, we think you're

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Speaker 1: capable of doing X, y Z, here's how we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get you there. What do you think and trying to

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Speaker 1: get that buy in. So it's it's really and you know,

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Speaker 1: we have a eight minor league players domestically under control,

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Speaker 1: so it's really a pretty elaborate process, some of which

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Speaker 1: happens in spring, some went away through the season, and

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Speaker 1: then something at the end of the season in terms

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Speaker 1: of charting a guy's individual path and how to maximize

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Speaker 1: his ability. A phrase, you know, there's so many phrases

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Speaker 1: that get thrown around and scouting it. One of the

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Speaker 1: ones in baseball I've always been interested in is you

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Speaker 1: said they've got a good clubhouse. How would you define

622
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Speaker 1: what a good clubhouse is? Being a good teammate is

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Speaker 1: I think fundamentally comes down to having the right priorities

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Speaker 1: and being selfless. I mean, it's really about doing everything

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Speaker 1: in your power to help this unit win and not

626
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: worry about the individual accolades. Whether that's with you know,

627
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Speaker 1: nobody out, the man on second, hitting behind the runner

628
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Speaker 1: just to advance them even though you're going over one

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Speaker 1: with the ground out in that situation, Uh, guys on

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Speaker 1: third and you know, trying to get them in then

631
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Speaker 1: get another guy over without, you know, trying to swing

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Speaker 1: for the fences to get yourself at home run. And

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00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: again it's it's a matter of we're dealing with the

634
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Speaker 1: seven and a half month plus season here. You know,

635
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Speaker 1: ideally even longer than that. When you win a championship,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have the right guys who are all

637
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: pulling the same direction in that group together. Oh, this

638
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: has been fun. I could do this for so long.

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00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time so much. Best to luck again.

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00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: I I kind of laughing us like everybod hurry up

641
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: and do nothing and almost get a little bit of

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00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: that that vibe. And here have you guys been talking

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Speaker 1: to each other and you can continue to talk to

644
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Speaker 1: each other. Thank you so much, appreciate it. Thanks for

645
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: having me guys, all right buck again, I think this

646
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: is continuing to prove our point about multi sport athletes

647
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: and man, I hope that doesn't go away. Uh, something

648
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: that we are big advocates of. And it seems like

649
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 1: everybody we talked to that's running these teams and other

650
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: sports feels the same way. Yeah, it's really important. Man.

651
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: Not only do you develop different skills, you get different coaching,

652
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: but for us it has it gives us an opportunity

653
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: to really see you in a different environment competing, and

654
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: so it's so good for so many different reasons. But

655
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: from an evaluation standpoint, it allows us to see you

656
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: in a in a in a different environment, playing a

657
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: sport that is not the sport that you're playing in.

658
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: But we get a chance to see how competitive you are,

659
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: and we also get a chance to gage your all athleticism.

660
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: And the other point that I thought was excellent talking

661
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: about baseball, guys have over force. How do you react

662
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: to that? How do you deal with adversity? Adversity maybe

663
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: a bigger UH factor in baseball than any other sport

664
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Speaker 1: because it is a sport of failure. But football is

665
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: no different, and we want to see how guys respond

666
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: and react to an interception as a quarterback, miss tackle

667
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: is as is a corner. I mean, there's different areas

668
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: of failure. You're gonna have it within the game and

669
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: within a season you have a terrible game, how do

670
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: you come back and respond to it the next week?

671
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: How do you prepare and practice to help overcome some

672
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: of your feelings. I think that's a great lesson to learn.

673
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: I think that's something we can take away. UH is

674
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: definitely a key part of the evaluation buck. Yeah, the

675
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: bounce back, you know, I mean we talked about it.

676
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: How do you respond to these poor players? How do

677
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: you spond the poor seasons and all that? What is

678
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: the what are your guts? Like? Do you have the

679
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: grit that everyone is looking for looking for from their

680
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: top players, and so this gives us a chance to

681
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: do it in other sports. All Right, we're gonna take

682
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: quick break, we're gonna come back, and we're gonna get

683
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: to MLB networks, Harold Reynolds and Tom Verducci. I think

684
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna enjoy these conversations right after the break. All right, Buck,

685
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: let's jump right into it. One of our favorites. We've

686
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: had him on before. Always a great time when we

687
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: catch up with one of the best analysts of any sport.

688
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: I think he's got a whole bookshelf full of Emmy's

689
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: from the work that he's done. But it really really

690
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: fun to catch up with our buddy Harold Reynolds. All Right, Buck,

691
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: so excited to have Harold Reynolds with us. One of

692
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: not only just one of the best baseball and it's

693
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: one of the best analysts, period and some we love

694
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Speaker 1: visiting with Harold. Thanks for your time, man. First of all,

695
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: do you do you get any offseason? I feel like

696
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: one baseball says ends and the next one is already beginning.

697
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: The offseason is actually busier than the regular season. At

698
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: least I got a schedule. Okay, here's what I'm gonna

699
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: show up. Now. You get somebody signs, get down to

700
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: the lobby. You know, winter meetings, you constantly getting calls.

701
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: You guys know how that is. But that's sports. Every

702
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: sport now is all year round, constantly busy, constantly busy,

703
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: and so much entrigue. Like I'm just so fascinated by

704
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: the way the game is going. I grew up at

705
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: a time where baseball was about stealing bases. It was exciting,

706
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: is that? And I feel like we're in the big

707
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: bopper air and one of those bases they pick home rest.

708
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: How hard is it for you to wish for yesteryear

709
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: while watching the way the game is played now? It's

710
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: been frustrating, to be honest with you. I mean, when

711
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: you're playing with half the field, you know, I know

712
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: this is football. So imagine Tom Brady walking to the

713
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: line of going, Ah, nobody's over there on defense, but

714
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm ana throw over here to everybody. That's what we've

715
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: done with the shift. Hitters won't hit the ball the

716
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: other way. We're not manufacturing runs. So that's why you

717
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: saw this wave of new rules come in where you

718
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: have now you have two guys to be designated on

719
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: each side of the field in the infield, take away

720
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: the shift rule, and so they can't overload a sign.

721
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna create more offense. Is gonna

722
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: create more athletes in the middle of the diamond and

723
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: speed the game up. Also, have a pitch clock, you know,

724
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: like you see with football quarterbacks sitting there, look gonna

725
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: have the I gotta get this playoff. That's what's gonna

726
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: happen now with the pits. So I think that's gonna

727
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: speed it up and move it back to kind of

728
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: where we used to be, where it's hit it where

729
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: they ain't. You know, it was the phrase, and now

730
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: we've got away from that. I love what you talked

731
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: about too, about the athleticism coming back, and that's one

732
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: of the things that makes it more enjoyable to watch.

733
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: But also we always are talking about we talked about

734
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: it with you before, about multi sport athletes, these kids

735
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: not just focusing on one sport and becoming so skilled,

736
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: but become an overall athlete and an overall competitor. I

737
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: feel like maybe some of these rule changes we get

738
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: back to that a little bit more absolutely. I think

739
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: if you you look at all the different skills to

740
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: come in with all the different sports, whether it's basketball

741
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: and you're doing a no look pass, you know, or

742
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: football catching something over your shoulder, all those come into

743
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: play in a baseball game. And what's happened is we

744
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: have so streamlined kids today. You know, we're making a

745
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: decision eleven years old, twelve years old, here's your sport.

746
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: How you know they're not gonna be six three? How

747
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: you know they're not gonna end up at five eight?

748
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: You know? So I think by allowing them to play

749
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: as many sports as they can be more well rounded. Also,

750
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: from a health standpoint, you're resting those body parts that

751
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: are being worn out constantly, over and over and over.

752
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: So I always encourage well rounded athletes. I grew up

753
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: that way. I'm the youngest of eight. I got four brothers.

754
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: We know, we all did that, my sisters too, and

755
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: then my kids are doing the same thing, you know,

756
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: So I like the well rounded athlete. You know. I've

757
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: heard you advocate for youth sports and kids and more

758
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: athletes and youth sports. What's another nugget that you would

759
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: give a parent who has kids who are in baseball?

760
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: What would you tell them, let them play. You know

761
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: you're not the coach. I mean, it's unbelievable we've done.

762
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: We don't know who's gonna be the next a Rod.

763
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: We think we do. They act like a true story.

764
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I've just thought us in there real quick. So remember

765
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: doing COVID. We don't have masks so I could ask

766
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: to help out on my my son's little league team.

767
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: So I'm wearing a mask. I'm coaching third and these

768
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: parents on the other team were so bad I felt

769
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: like I was undercover boss. Finally I had to whip

770
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: my mask off and go time out, and they're like

771
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: hare ri. I said, hey, listen, you guys are yelling

772
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: at the kids. This kid's coming and slamming it back.

773
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: I pulled both teams together and parents and said, this

774
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: is not acceptable. You know we're you're creating the monster

775
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: of this kid. Let them go out and enjoy the experience.

776
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's why soccer has caught on so much,

777
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: because when I go to my kids soccer game and

778
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: they used to play soccer, nobody's yelling right, foot, left,

779
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: it right. They don't have time. You're letting them react

780
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: and play. I go to a baseball game, get you

781
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: allow up, get your hands back, don't swing do this

782
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: by seven three. I'm like, what are we doing? Let

783
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: the kids play? You know, it's tough. That's incredible, man.

784
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: How have you seen the evaluation process change maybe from

785
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: when you were coming up to where it is now?

786
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: And we talked to we talked to J Prol a

787
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: few minutes ago about the technology, how that's kind of

788
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: changed things. But how have you seen it change? Oh,

789
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: it's definitely through the technology, no doubt. And I think

790
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: that's why we've had a disparity of African American kids

791
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: playing baseball. And I shouldn't even limit it to that.

792
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: I should limit it to an economic situation because if

793
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: you're able to economically send your kids to the higher

794
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: level stuff, they get all the data, you know, your

795
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: back speed, your exit velocities or spend raids, all these

796
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: things that colleges have not gone to. And that's what

797
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: the pros are going to. And now I even see it,

798
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, Little League, I threw that one fifty five?

799
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: What was my swing? You know? And and kids understand

800
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: that the data is what coaches are now looking at.

801
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: It's not the skill, it's not the this kid's gonna

802
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: grow in to be that. So that's been the biggest

803
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: change where you can sit here and project true story. Again,

804
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I got a million stories I love. I lack it

805
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: up with this one. So I'm nineteen years old, Darryl Strawberry,

806
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: Darna Coles, who is now the hitting coach for the Nationals,

807
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: and he played like fifteen years of big leagues. So

808
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Darniell's the number three pick in the country, Strawberries number one.

809
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: I go into secondary phase of draft. I'm a first

810
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: round pick. So we're all playing on this co op team,

811
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: the Mets and the Mariners. Darryl Strawberry strikes out every

812
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: bad I mean, fifteen s doesn't foul ball off and

813
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: we're playing pool after the game's hanging out and we're like,

814
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: straw he had a chance to go play basketball Louisville

815
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: for Danny Crumb back in the day. We're like, you

816
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: need to take that basket work out, you know. But eventually,

817
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, then we're in double A ball and we're

818
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: sitting there and Darnelle and our roommates with Double A

819
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, and the Mets have called

820
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: up Darryl Strawberry and when well, it couldn't hit two

821
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: years ago, but because somebody saw him send six four

822
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: bat speed, he's gonna grow into this just what we

823
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: think he'll be. But if it was about data, Darryl

824
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: Strawer doesn't get drafted today, doesn't happen, you know. So

825
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: I think we've got to have a blend of the two.

826
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: That the the information, the data tells you what somebody

827
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: is doing, what they could be, but you still have

828
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: to have that eye test to say here's where you're

829
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: gonna get to. Okay, So let's talk about like managing,

830
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: because the game has changed so much, it feels like

831
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: so much of is operated behind closed doors. We don't

832
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Pictures are coming out, they seem

833
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: like they're hot where they're not. And so what is

834
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: the role of the manager in today's game? Well, it's

835
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: a slippery slope. You don't get me in trouble here. Um,

836
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: it depends on the manager. It really depends on Like

837
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: Buck show Walter has a little bit more leeway than

838
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Skip Shoemaker is gonna have in Miami. Um, you are

839
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: now getting lineups text to players in the morning, and

840
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: that's coming down from front offices. Here's here's lineup is

841
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: gonna be. And as the game's go on, you know,

842
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: for a number of years the Dodgers have been in

843
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: the World Series, You're like, what is David Roberts doing?

844
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: Once he thinking about the guy's got to know hit

845
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: her in the third in aint, you know, and they

846
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: tug him out and because it's all calculated out, here's

847
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. And he takes the heat, but

848
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: it's really a collective group behind him picking it out.

849
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: So it really comes down to the manager. I'm sure

850
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Terry Francona gets to do a little bit more what

851
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: he wants to do. You'll see Bruce Boats you get

852
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: a chance to do that now. But for the most part,

853
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: it is front office driven. They're making the decision that

854
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: scripted the game out and that's that's how it's gonna be.

855
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: How would you start with Bill? It's crazy, man, It's

856
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: absolutely crazy, right, I just thinking, I'm just thinking back

857
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: to our football coaches and then someone else telling him like, no,

858
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: he's he's coming out of the game, four out in

859
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: a row. We're gonna get him out. We're gonna get

860
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: him Like no, this is not a billion years. I

861
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: mean you take it to as far as load management too.

862
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: You know it was funny. I was I won't even

863
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: go into the name of the player, but he got

864
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: on a hot streak, right He's swaying the bat, He's

865
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: on the basis every night, and they sit him on

866
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: the bench, like, what's going on, he's overworked. Well, he's

867
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: hot right now, right that thing as long as you

868
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: can man, so we it's it's really coming to a

869
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: lot of the thinking. And when you get to the postseason,

870
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: I think it shows out a lot because that's what

871
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: the most attention is. But teams that still do a

872
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: great job of mixing and blending, you'll you see a difference.

873
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: You clearly see a difference. One of the theories I

874
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 1: want to ask you about this because we've talked about

875
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: this a bunch. When we think of leaders in football,

876
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: the culture you get to the middle of the field

877
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: is where your leaders are. If you really think of

878
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: your quarterback, center, middle, linebacker, safety to the communication positions,

879
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: they're the leadership positions. In baseball, Is it the same

880
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: with catchers, middle endfielders, center fielders or is it not

881
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: not the correlation there um it used to be. It's

882
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: still some depends on like, you know, if there's a

883
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: ball in the gap, relay type stuff. But when it

884
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: comes to pitches, you know, they use what they call

885
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: pitch calm. Now where you see that little gadget or

886
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: on the sleeve or something like that. So the beauty

887
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: of pitch calm is the catcher. They can't get signals

888
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: from the bench. The bench cannot it's illegal for them

889
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you can just do a fastball here

890
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: or curveball or whatever. Catcher's gotta call the game. But

891
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: the guys who have the the airpiece, so to speak,

892
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: are the guys up the middle. So you've got the

893
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: picture who's obviously gonna make a decision on what he

894
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: wants to throw, Catchers suggesting it, and the middle infielders

895
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: can hear it on there. I didn't know that. That's interesting,

896
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: and it could be a guy from Japan. It's in

897
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: Japanese and Venezuela. It's in Spanish, so it's it's according

898
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: to what you want to do, So they set the

899
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: settings for the individuals like that. That's unbelievable. So it's

900
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: it's funny. I had an old defensive coordinator you talked

901
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: about being in the middle. Dick Geron who said, your

902
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: championship teams in every sport are always strong down the middle.

903
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: So in football we talked about those things. In baseball

904
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: he would always talk about, you're sure stopping second basement,

905
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: you sent a field, you're catching your picture. They have

906
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: to be your dudes. Does that still exist or is

907
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: the game change? No, the game's gonna tell you true.

908
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a truism, no doubt, because the ball,

909
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: the games played up that middle, and the teams that

910
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: don't value that, they don't win, you know, and eventually

911
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna get shown out, so to speak, over time.

912
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's still very much a truism in sports.

913
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: Up the middle is gonna be there. They're gonna handle

914
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: the ball, they're gonna make decisions, and if not, it

915
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: will show you up. You know. There's a saying in baseball,

916
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: the ball is gonna find you, and sure enough it does.

917
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: Whether it's a little league, you know that one guy

918
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: like I've seen that, I've seen that you can't hide,

919
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: cannot hide. The ball will find you. The truth. Man.

920
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: One of the things in scouting that change from when

921
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: we first began with with the technology that we we

922
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: really love was just the ease of being able to

923
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: quire video in your role as an analyst. And you've

924
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: been doing this for a while now, how much more

925
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: convenient is it to say, I want to see every

926
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: three two pitch of you know. I mean you could

927
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: sort it anyway you want to sort it, and you

928
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: just get it just like. That's the biggest change in

929
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: the sport. And yeah, as an analyst, it's beautiful to

930
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: be able to go, you know before and be like

931
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: you cranking something along and through. You don't have that yet,

932
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: you know. And they got everything at their finger tips,

933
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: whatever you ask for. So it's changed. And I think

934
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: the biggest change though, is when I was a player,

935
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: video is coming in. Tony Gwinn was known for using

936
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: video and all that. True story. I am off to

937
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: a hot streak beginning of the year. I'm hitting like

938
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: four th April, We're heading into May. I'm breaking, I'm

939
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: killing everything. And I see myself on the news and

940
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm holding my hands like this and I thought my

941
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: hands were higher. Next thing, you know, I'm like, because

942
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: let's started looking at it, I couldn't do video. The

943
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: guys today, every bad, every situation, they grow up on

944
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: looking at themselves, and they grew up on the computer

945
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: and they're able to pull up all this information to

946
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: a different breed of player. If you can master it, great.

947
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I could ever mastered. I was more

948
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: of a field guy. I know. Once I looked and

949
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: saw what I looked like, I don't want to feel like.

950
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: And that was the end of that. So funny because

951
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: then my father was gonna be paralysis by analysis. When

952
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: is it too much for the player? When is it

953
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: too much information where the game is still very instinctual.

954
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: When when do you turn all of the thinking off

955
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: and allow yourself just have you seen it? By the way,

956
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: if you follow that, have you seen a player get

957
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: ruined by it? Oh? Yeah, yeah, there's there's guys have

958
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: been ruined by it and those guys that have benefited

959
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: from it as well. It's an individual thing, it really is.

960
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: Um But I think what when a lot of the

961
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: information came in in baseball? I think our sports unique

962
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: because it stops right, you have pauses in between, and

963
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: after you're having a bat, you're sitting there for thirty

964
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: minutes and figuring out what you did, and you can

965
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: really overthink everything. But so when all this information started

966
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: coming in, it was like wow, information, this is great,

967
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: but it was an overload. So I think now after

968
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, ten years, fifteen years and this is really

969
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: being deep and continually figuring it out, they're realizing this

970
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: guy can't handle anything. This guy I'm telling you know.

971
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: So that's that's the difference. It really comes down to

972
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: that individual. How I could do this for hours? Man, Harold,

973
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: you are the absolute best. We appreciate your time. Where

974
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: can where can everybody that's following us follow you to

975
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: be able to keep up what's going on? You gotta

976
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: look at me on MLB network cause I'm probably the

977
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: only person in the country that has no social media

978
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: the perfect I am so jealous of you, by the way,

979
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: I am. I would do that in hardly if they

980
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: left me. I am so jealous of You're the best man.

981
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: Thanks your time, appreciate, appreciate, but thanks man. I think

982
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: that was interesting conversation, Buck. When you think about, you know,

983
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: how that works with the manager's roll in today's game,

984
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: it's different. I think that's also you know in the

985
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: NFL there's there's certain coaches that have different responsibilities and

986
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: how that's divvied up amongst the coaching staff. So I

987
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: think the fun conversation there with Herold, Yeah, it was

988
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: a fun conversation, and we're seeing some of that. We're

989
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: seeing some of the compartmentalization of the game in football.

990
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean, even you can talk about the Philadelphia Eagles

991
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: and how they blend into analytics with the coaching and

992
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: all of those things to make decisions at the best

993
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: for the team. UH is going to continue to in

994
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: fil trade the league in terms of trying to take

995
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: all the information to give your team the best opportunity

996
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: to win each and every weekend. All right, let's get

997
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: to our next chat here. UH. This is one of

998
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: the really one of the smartest analyst reporters that you'll

999
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: ever come across. He does unbelievable work. Another one who's

1000
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: got a trophy case full of UH rewards for his

1001
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: incredible work. And somebody we've chatted within the past and

1002
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: always enjoy catching up with MLB Networks, Tom Berducci. All right,

1003
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: but excited to have Tom Berducci with us. Tommy, we

1004
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: were just talking before we came on here. Forty one

1005
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: years you've been covering this sport, I mean, and you

1006
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: mentioned some of this fast thing. I want to start

1007
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: off there about how much change has taken place just

1008
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: in the last few years in the sport. Yeah, it's amazing.

1009
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: I think it changed more than the last five six

1010
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: years in my first thirty something years. And I think

1011
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: technology is a big reason why we know so much

1012
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: more about the game, the way the game is taught,

1013
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: the way the game is played, the strategy game, a

1014
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: lot of it now is being dictated by analytics and technology,

1015
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: which is a great thing, but it changes the game

1016
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: so quickly. Um and the other changes have not been

1017
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: great because, let's face of the game has been too slow.

1018
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: But next year that's going to change with the pitch clock.

1019
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of old timers will say, well,

1020
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: the best thing about baseball is no clock. Well that

1021
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: was true, and the game took two and a half hours.

1022
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: We need to move the darn thing. All. I'm looking

1023
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: forward to next year. So Alwa's funny. So it come

1024
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: fromt of Football World. Analytics has a bit of a

1025
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: negative tent. Uh. You have fans who are upseted coaches

1026
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: who are making decisions based on analytics. But you've seen

1027
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: in baseball analytical data has been a huge part of

1028
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: the game. So why your football fans not fear analytics

1029
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: and the use of data to make decisions. Well, I

1030
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: wish I could say they shouldn't, but I think they

1031
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: should based on the baseball example, because it's great, But

1032
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: I think it becomes a problem when you rely too

1033
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: much on it. It's still about players. It's still about

1034
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: the heartbeat of the game and the human element of

1035
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: the game. That's why we watch sports. We can break

1036
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: down the percentages as much as we can. What the

1037
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: third long situation is your conversion rates. It still comes

1038
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: down to people. And if I'm watching a baseball game

1039
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: or a football game, I want to know about the

1040
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: play is who they are, how they do what they do,

1041
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: more so than the math involved in it. So I

1042
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: don't want analytics to dictate how games are played. I

1043
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: want that to be a compliment. That's the side dish.

1044
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: That's not the steak, that's the potatoes. So I think

1045
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: I would be fearful, But I've seen it happen in

1046
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: baseball where they went too far with analytics. That's why

1047
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: the game slowed down. There was too much analytics in

1048
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: the game, and baseball is now trying to get the

1049
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: game back in the hands of the people in the uniform,

1050
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: especially the players. One thing I love visiting with you

1051
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: about is just the scouting background. How it's there's a

1052
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: lot of similarities in football and baseball, and then there's

1053
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: some differences. But one thing a phrase that I hear

1054
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: in both sports talk about a football player and having

1055
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: there is a championship player and baseball I hear that

1056
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: term thrown around when you talk to players and managers.

1057
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: What does that mean for a baseball player said, this

1058
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: is a championship player. Yeah, that means something that can't

1059
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: be measured analytically. Gets back to what we were talking about, where,

1060
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, I love the analytics, but to find guys

1061
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: like that, you have to look beyond the numbers. I'll

1062
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: give you a great example Jason Heyward with the Ago Cubbs.

1063
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Speaker 1: You know, he was signed because he was young at

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Speaker 1: the time. The defensive metrics were great, A lot of

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00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: the analytics gave him a hundred and eighty plus million dollars,

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Speaker 1: But his biggest moment was World Series Game seven when

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00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: that team was on the verge of blowing Game seven

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00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: to Cleveland and during the rain delay, he brought his

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Speaker 1: team together for a meeting, and basically it was the

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00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: baseball version of Newton Rockney, like, guys, we're not losing

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Speaker 1: this game. We're gonna go out there and win this one,

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Speaker 1: if not for the Gipper, for ourselves because we know

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Speaker 1: we're the better team. Think about that. This was a

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Speaker 1: guy who spent the first three games in that series

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Speaker 1: on the bitch against right handed pitching, and yet in

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00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: that crunch moment, Game seven, eighth inning, ninth inning, he

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00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: thought about the team. How do you measure that? Right?

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00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Came from somewhere with Jason Hayward growing up to understand

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00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: that the whole is bigger than the individual. So those

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00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: guys are super important. I'll give you another one the

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00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: same team. Anthony Rizzo just resigned with the New York

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00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: Yankees as a free agent. You hit home runs, a

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00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: good defender, but he gives you that extra element that

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00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: if I'm putting a team together, I better pay attention

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Speaker 1: to some of that. How is that guy going to

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00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: fold into my group? Because it still is a team sport,

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00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think about it being a team sport.

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00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: I worry about managers because I wonder what does the

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00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: manager do when you hear so much about the lineup

1090
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: cards and all this stuff being dispense from up top,

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00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: you wonder what does the manager do? And then I

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00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: see a guy like Dusty Baker, who appears to be

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00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: still very old school, win a World Series this year.

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00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: What is that fine line between the man manager taking

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00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: decisions from up top but still having the instincts to

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00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: make decisions in games. Yeah, that's one of the biggest

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00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: changes I've seen in the game. Just wrote a book

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Speaker 1: with Joe Madden called The Book of Joe, which started

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00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: out as me thinking about, man, this job has changed

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00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: the job of the manager because back in the day,

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Speaker 1: and maybe this is still true of football with the

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Speaker 1: head coach, but the manager was to be all in

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00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: the end all he was the epitity of the power.

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00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: He told He decided what style you were playing, when

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00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: guys would play, and when they would sit, who was starting,

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00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: what relief pitching changes to make. Now a lot of

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00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: that is being dictated by the front office. And you're

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00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: given essentially a script, and you can go off script

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00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: during the game. But man, if it doesn't work, he

1110
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: gotta gotta answer to your boss after the game, and

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00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean immediately after the game. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: managers say, I'm just gonna stick by the script here.

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00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: So analytics does dictate a lot of in game strategy now,

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00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: which was not the case um certainly ten years ago,

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00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: but even farther back. So the job has changed, there's

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00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: no question about it. But I still think in some

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00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: ways managing is harder because you have to answer from

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00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: above and you also have to engender the confidence of players.

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Speaker 1: And that's where Dusty Baker, to me, stands alone. He's

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Speaker 1: managed a long time, and everybody who's played for him

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00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: will tell you he's a player's manager. What does that mean?

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00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: He understands the game is difficult, He communicates, well, he's

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Speaker 1: not going to make decisions entirely on analytics. Will he

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00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: use them, Absolutely, He's not going to say hey, I

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Speaker 1: got no use for that. No, But in crunch time,

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Speaker 1: if he sees something, he's going to respond to what

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00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: he sees. He told me a great story during the

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Speaker 1: World Series. He talked to Bo Schembechler, of course, the

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00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: great Michigan football coach. One time he's like, Bo, how

1130
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: did you know which guy you could trust to complete

1131
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: that play or make that kick or make that tackle?

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00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: And which guy you weren't sure about. He said, Dusty,

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Speaker 1: I'd look him in the eye and some of the

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00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: analytics would say, come on, that's so you're looking a

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Speaker 1: guy in the eye. But there's something about body language,

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Speaker 1: the way a guy carries himself. These guys have been

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00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: around a long time. With Bo Scheveler Beckler back in

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Speaker 1: the day, or Dusty Baker on a baseball field, there's

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00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: wisdom in addition to knowledge. Knowledge is knowing the numbers.

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00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you see.

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00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: I want to follow up on Joe Madden because to

1142
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: me he's one of the more fascinating guys in sports.

1143
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I know Jason likes a good buddy of mine, the

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00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: general manager of the Tampa b Buccaneers, and I know

1145
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: they're very close getting to know him down there in Tampa.

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00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: What what did you learn in doing that book? I

1147
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: learned he's a guy who never stops learning. He has

1148
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: insatiable thirst to be better. Um has old school tendencies

1149
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: because that's what he grew up with. His probably greatest

1150
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: mentor was Gene Bok going back in the day, the

1151
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: great Angels manager, Phillies manager. But at the same time,

1152
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: as you mentioned with Tampa Bay, they were at the

1153
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: forefront of installing things like a four man outfield, defensive shifts, platoons,

1154
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: all these things that came from analytics. And he's trying

1155
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: to now rebalance the game and get back to a

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00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: little bit of both. Um. But he's a fascinating guy.

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00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: You know, he talks about going to Lafayette on a

1158
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: football scholarship. He was a quarterback. Joe Namath was his

1159
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: guy growing up in high school. Was a great high

1160
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: school quarterback. Uh. And he's got what he calls that

1161
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: liberal arts education, not so much out of college, although

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00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: that was true, but in a worldly way, like his

1163
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: world is not limited to baseball. He wants to learn

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00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: about art, science, all these things he will fold into

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00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: managing a baseball team. You know. One of the things

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00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: that's fascinated by him, I've heard him coined for he's

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00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: going all the way back to the Cubs talking about

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00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: do simple better? And I think for so many different

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00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: coaches in any sport, everyone thinks about complex being the

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Speaker 1: best way. But yet he found a lot of success

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Speaker 1: in simplicity. Why is that? Yeah, and you said that perfectly.

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00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: We have a tendency to think that if it's more complicated,

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00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 1: it must be better, and actually the opposite is true.

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00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: So he does rely on that phrase, do simple better

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00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: the fundamentals of the game. Don't kind of crowd your

1176
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: mind with lots of different ideas, whether it's mechanics or approaches.

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Speaker 1: He's a big believer in keeping things simple. And his

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00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: other famous, probably most famous phrase was trying not to suck. Like,

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00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: where did that come from? Well, it came from a

1180
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: time where Hobby Bayaz was called up from the minor leagues.

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00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: He had been up earlier and really struggled, and Joe

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00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: called him into his office. This is obviously with the

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00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: Cubs back, and I think it was, and uh, he

1184
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: sat down in his office and Hobby Bias like, you know,

1185
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: any advice you got from me, I'm all the years.

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00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: He's like, just one thing, trying not to suck. What

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00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: that does? It just boils down the simple thing. As

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00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: a professional athlete, you just go out there and play

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00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: the game like you're back in little league. If you

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00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: think about what's on the line with the consequences of failure,

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00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: are chances are you're more likely to fail if you

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00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: just go out there trying to do the best that

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00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: you kid, almost like your mom telling you that little

1194
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: league or peewee football, it's gonna work out better. Again,

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Speaker 1: do simple better. One of the things about the NFL

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Speaker 1: I think that's helped with the popularity has been the

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Speaker 1: parody and knowing from year to year there's hope for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Everybody thinks this is gonna be the year they get

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Speaker 1: it going in baseball, and that's not necessarily has been

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Speaker 1: the case historically. You look at a team this year, though,

1201
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: like the Phillies. I know they spend a bunch of money,

1202
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: but just if you can just get into the tournament,

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00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: you got a chance to win the whole thing. You

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00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: think that one bold and more teams to say, we

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00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: just gotta build a playoff team. Once we can get

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00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: to that point, anything can happen. I think that's a

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00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: great point because when I first heard about expanded playoffs,

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00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe that's a disincentive. Like if you finished

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00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: in the sixth seat as Philadelphia did you have to

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Speaker 1: start in a wild card series all games on the road.

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00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: You have no home games, so you probably wanted done.

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Speaker 1: You're out. But they proved it's more than fools gold.

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00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: You can get to the World Series, as the Phillies did,

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00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: and I think it now is seen as an incentive,

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00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: and I think it's a different world. Like the old

1216
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: school baseball fan remembers the day when you won your

1217
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: league and you went straight to the World Series. That

1218
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: was so long ago, and we're at this age now

1219
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: where whether it's the n c Double A Tournament, it's

1220
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Speaker 1: college football playoffs expanding, it's the NFL playoffs expanding. The

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Speaker 1: more playoff games we have, the happier we are as fans. Right,

1222
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: it gives more teams a shot, and if you're the players,

1223
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: you have to be for that that it does give

1224
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: more teams a chance. It's not necessarily the best team

1225
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: is going to win at the end, although I think

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00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: last year it did happen with Houston. UM. But I

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00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: like the idea of there's basically anybody can win, it's

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Speaker 1: just get in. Well, this has been so much fun.

1229
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: I could do this a million more minutes. Here Tom again,

1230
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: the book Book of Joe Joe Madden your experience in

1231
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: baseball when with what he's accomplished and how unique he is.

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00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to reading that one. Thanks for appreciate,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Interesting chat there, especially the party by analytics. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's definitely something that has become mainstream

1235
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: and football as the years go along, and I think

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00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: it's something to be embraced, not something to fear. Yeah,

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00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: I think you have to put in with in his

1238
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: proper context. You have to understanding numbers, and you have

1239
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: to take in that information and then mix it with

1240
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: some knowledge of your sport and put your team in

1241
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: a in a position where they can win. But yeah,

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00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: there's definitely a place for it. Is has always been

1243
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: a place for analytics in all of these games, and

1244
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: so Baseball, I would say, has been on the forefront

1245
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: of incorporating that into the decisions that are made by

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00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: the team and the manager when it comes to putting

1247
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: out your best line up each and every day. Yeah.

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00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: I love how we talked about it should still be

1249
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: a compliment to what you're doing. You know, there's still

1250
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: the gut field, there's still the experience you rely on,

1251
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: But that's a good way to compliment in those decisions. Okay,

1252
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna take quick break and we come back. We'll

1253
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: visit with MLB Networks. Brian Kenny. Alright, Buck, I know

1254
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: one thing about Brian Kenny. He is not short on opinions.

1255
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: He has very strong opinions on the game of baseball.

1256
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: But again, somebody that's always fun to chat with because

1257
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: it starts some interesting debate and discussion. So I think

1258
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: you guys will enjoy it. Here's our visit with Brian Kenny.

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00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: All right, Buck excited Brian Kenny with Brian, thank you

1260
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: so much for taking some time. Um, We've we've had

1261
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: fun here and we're looking at the differences between the

1262
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: NFL Combine, which we're at each and every year, versus

1263
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: the winner meetings. What has this changed since you've been

1264
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: covering the sport and if so, how well it fluctuates? Um,

1265
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: because the whole industry gathers. But there's no reason why

1266
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: deals can only be made here. It's not n you know,

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00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: it's not you know, people can there's ways of communicating.

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00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: They don't have to be in front of someone with

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00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: a Scotch uh. So it's different. And yet look what

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00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: happened like on this day where you know, justin Verlanders

1271
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: signs with the Mets trade turner to the Phillies Mega deals.

1272
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: So maybe there is something Maybe after the pandemic we

1273
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: learned there is something to face to face, get in

1274
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: one room, hammer out a deal. Um, you never know

1275
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: how busy it's going to be. You know, I think

1276
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: about how busy it's going to be. What do you

1277
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: think about some of these monster deals when it comes

1278
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: to fitting these big deals into team building, into building

1279
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: a championship squad. That's what I do on my show

1280
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: every day. Um. And I've said this before about a

1281
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: number of players, like said about Mike Trout, Rice Harper, Um.

1282
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: Whatever you can pay a single player, you need to

1283
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: pay that guy, right, Like, that's the same thing to

1284
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: trade turner power hitting, Uh, speedy shortstop that's top of

1285
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: the food chain. Uh, those are the tools that you want.

1286
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: I have the specific measurements last three years, slung five fourteen.

1287
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: He's in sprint speed. He's number two in the league

1288
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: to Bobby Witt Jr. So I mean, I mean literally

1289
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: the fat the second fastest guy in the entire league.

1290
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: New stolen base rules are coming up next year. So yeah,

1291
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: you can pay an awful lot, but look the study

1292
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: of it, and I did this from my book six

1293
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: years ago. The study of it when you look at

1294
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: like what do you want on the free agent market.

1295
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: What you're buying is certainty, right, you have a proven

1296
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: track records, not like the draft, which is really hit

1297
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: and miss, as you know, as opposed to football, where

1298
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: you have another four years to see a guy in college.

1299
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: You're getting a guy like out of high school or

1300
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: a baseball is more mercurial. It's so hit and miss

1301
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: free agent market you can see exactly what the guy did.

1302
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: And yet I did a study of all the one

1303
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: million dollar deal Half of them are deals that the

1304
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: team when they're done regrets half of them. So that's

1305
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: the truth. So you hear trade Turner fantastic player eleven years,

1306
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: So trade Turner right now, he's a thirty year old guy.

1307
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: What you don't see is you're gonna be paying a

1308
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: forty year old trade Turner. The forty year old Trade

1309
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: Turner is gonna look more like us. You know, it's

1310
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna be different, No disrespect you guys look great. What

1311
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's he's not gonna be the same sort

1312
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: of guy. So yeah, that's the challenge and right in

1313
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: making deals, all these deals when the guys, you know,

1314
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: when it's going back to Reggie Jackson the suit and

1315
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: you're at tavern on the green and shaking hands with

1316
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: the boss, and everybody's excited. Everybody's always excited when the

1317
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: big signing is done. Half the time you regret that

1318
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: deal later on. So you have to keep that in

1319
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: mind when you're putting together a team. It's not just

1320
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: the cost. It's the opportunity cost of a long term deal.

1321
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: It's never the money, it's the opportunity cost. One of

1322
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: the lines I love though, and talking to one of

1323
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: my buddies on a personnel side with baseball, as I

1324
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: was talking about free agency and who's gonna get this guy,

1325
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: who's gonna get that guy, and we're kind of going

1326
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: over what numbers could look like, and he throughout some

1327
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: of the numbers and I wrote that, I remember that

1328
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: that's insane, and he, I think he quote, I think

1329
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: with Freedman who had said it, but he quote him said, yeah,

1330
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: if you want to do a rational deal, you'll finish

1331
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: third in every single one of these races. Well that

1332
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: that happened with a particular team, like they're always finishing

1333
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: second in the free agent market, and I thought, maybe

1334
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 1: it's good to finish second in the free agent market. Again.

1335
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: Whoever wins the winter doesn't win the summer in the fall.

1336
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily happen that way. UM So I always um,

1337
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: I would rather see my favorite team adhere to a

1338
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: more pragmatic approach. I would whoever I'm drafting and developing,

1339
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: I would extend immediately. You know, that's where it's at.

1340
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: You know him, you have him, and I always it's

1341
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: some of it is psychological. If that player calcifies on

1342
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 1: your watch in his thirties while you're paying him big money.

1343
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: If you got his twenties where you basically had the

1344
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: leverage on him, and you got him at low cost,

1345
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: whether it's Albert pool Holes or Derek Jeter, if you

1346
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: which the Cardinals and the Yankees both did. They extended

1347
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: those guys while they were young players, and by the

1348
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: time they became old their players. Remember the Angels had

1349
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: pool Holes and they thought, wow, all we got was

1350
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: an old guy. Yeah, you didn't get his twenties. Had

1351
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals signed pool Holes, you could rationalize it more

1352
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: easily and say, okay, we got an aging heavy slugger,

1353
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: but we also got that young Lou Garrick who was

1354
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: great for us that we didn't have to pay an

1355
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: awful lot. So I'm a firm believer in whoever you

1356
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: draft and develop. If it's Jeter, if it's Joe Mauer, Hey,

1357
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: the enormous amount to extend that guy. Wonder Franco as

1358
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: an example for the Raise now one years old, ten

1359
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: year deal. I want this guy through, you know, age

1360
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: thirty two. That's and if that guy doesn't become the

1361
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: player you want, you can you can rationalize that much

1362
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: more easily than buying it on the open market. The

1363
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: Eagles have long had a reputation doing that in the NFL.

1364
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: They've always resigned guys early and they've got their best

1365
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: years during that time and feel fine about it. The Braves,

1366
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: a team that we've talked about just looking at other sports,

1367
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: seem like they have, wow, mastered this thing paying these

1368
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: guys early right now. I I thought the the master

1369
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: stroke was getting Austin Riley because now he was a

1370
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: little older, he had gotten a little closer to free agency.

1371
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: At this point, you almost can't wait that long. Look

1372
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: what's happened to the Red Sox. Xander Bogart's is on

1373
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: the market now. They lost Mookie Betts. But the Braves,

1374
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: man is like you can jump and they didn't do

1375
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: it for Dansby Swanson, but most all of their other players,

1376
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: Ronald Lacuna. They actually kind of set the mold for

1377
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: a kuna in that the thought was, once a guy

1378
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: establishes himself as a superstar, and a Kunia did right away.

1379
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: Now you can't sign that guy. Yeah, put a hundred

1380
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: million dollars in front of him. Hey, guess what he signed.

1381
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't long ago. I don't know if you guys remember, uh,

1382
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: Andrew McCutcheon, Paul Goldschmidt signed extensions. These guys are the

1383
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: best players in the National League signed extensions for fifty

1384
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: million dollars. Now it's gone up to a hundred million dollars.

1385
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: And again it's the money has gone up. And yes

1386
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: there's inflation and everything else, but it's always as it

1387
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: pertains to the American standard of living. So a hundred

1388
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: million is still a hundred million. You were rich rich,

1389
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: So it's not even like, oh, I'm you know, I'm

1390
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm fluid. I've got cash like a lot of eyes

1391
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Oh I got cash that short term

1392
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: hundred million. Nope, now you're rich. So if you can

1393
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: do that, if you have that leverage because your industry

1394
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: is so flush, take advantage of it and spend them

1395
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: big money. And clubs have done that. So ask me this,

1396
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: why didn't the Yankees get Aaron Judge done ahead of time?

1397
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: Like why did they allow him to get all the

1398
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: way to the open market. I don't know, he came

1399
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: up late. The thing to have done, looking back is

1400
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: when he had that rookie year, get him right in

1401
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: the room right away. Um, they didn't do it. Maybe

1402
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: they always think if he gets the market, we can

1403
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: pay that price. Maybe there was a thinking, uh, because

1404
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: there was this thinking in the in in baseball that

1405
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: he's so tall, Like tall guys you know, don't perform

1406
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: that well for that long. I think he was already

1407
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: in the case of you know, the course of disproving

1408
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: that right in front of your eyes. So no, the

1409
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: time to get him was right away. Then he's you know,

1410
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: he missed about the Yankees games over the next like

1411
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: three to five years. So they were just caught in

1412
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: between because like his production warranted top end an Mike

1413
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: Trout money. He actually performs like Mike Trout, but he's

1414
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: injured so much. You're thinking, if he's injured this much,

1415
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: in his twenties. What's his thirties gonna look like? So

1416
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: I understand, but yet they're paying the price for that. Now,

1417
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: is it gonna be harder to hide athletic deficient players

1418
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: now with the shift? With the changes coming? I mean,

1419
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: we were we were talking earlier um to a couple

1420
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: of guys about when we were growing up. We're mid forties,

1421
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: early fifties, and we're talking about Eric Davis, is the

1422
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: Darryl Strawberries that all the athletes that were in the

1423
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: sport and how the game was played a little bit differently.

1424
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: Now now are we gonna see a little bit more

1425
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: of that speed come back into the game a little bit? Yeah,

1426
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be more like what we envisioned. Uh with

1427
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: no shift. Again, it's not gonna be a dramatic shift,

1428
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: but you won't be able to get as cute and

1429
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: put Mike Mustakis at second base. You know, you got

1430
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: to go back to putting the little guy at second base.

1431
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: Now you don't have the collisions, but I remember when

1432
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: you could have collisions at second base, which I hate.

1433
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad they outlawed it, but it brought that sort

1434
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: of you know, pirouette to second base and you had

1435
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: to have actually a physically smaller athletic guy do it.

1436
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: It was kind of the texture of the game that, no,

1437
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: you can't load up, and you'd be great to have.

1438
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: I want nothing but Aaron Judge and Gehan Carlos standing

1439
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: all around the diamond. Sure, but it doesn't work in baseball.

1440
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: And I like that it doesn't work. So there's a

1441
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: guy five five and how jose L TV that can thrive.

1442
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: So to answer your question directly, it changed things a

1443
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm in favor of the intellectual application of

1444
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: of baseball, you know, intellect, So I'm you know, I'm

1445
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: down on banning the shift. I think had the shift

1446
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: been around for like at the time they shifted on

1447
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: Ted Williams in the nineteen forties, had that just developed,

1448
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have canndid now. But they kind of threw

1449
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: the baby out with the bathwater, saying all these strikeouts,

1450
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: all these home runs, the game has slowed down, and

1451
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: that's stupid shift. Like that, It's like the it was

1452
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: the and that and that stupid shift. We thought that

1453
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: was a base it and you took it away, and

1454
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I like that. Like they smartly put a

1455
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: guy where the guy hits the ball all the time,

1456
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: but it got lumped in with all the other things

1457
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: that did need to be addressed. And by the way,

1458
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: pitch clock or timer, it's not a clock, it's a timer.

1459
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: Uh the timer next year. Oh, it's gonna so im

1460
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: of Major League Baseball, so improving, well hoping. I'm worried.

1461
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm a potter. If I'm worried about drvers with the pitch,

1462
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: I've been to a couple of those. Everybody can adjust, everybody.

1463
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: It takes a little while. It's six inning. I'm with

1464
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: my sons. They used to in the old days again,

1465
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: even though you guys are up near my age, but

1466
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: in the old days, a generation before. Remember they played

1467
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: games in the middle of the afternoon. Guys could get

1468
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: off work, go see the game, be home for dinner.

1469
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: To two hour commitment. Baseball should be a two hour commitment.

1470
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: They play six months under sixty two games. If we

1471
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: get now, I think the pitch timer gets into two

1472
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: and a half, not too but fine, better than four.

1473
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: You know, you playing a regular nine inning game. And

1474
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: it's this slog and analytics is a big part of it.

1475
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: Everybody's processing the pitch, the picture is processing, what's my sequencing?

1476
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: Hold on? Are they stealing my signs? It's become this

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01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, war of attrition. Enough play the game, let's go.

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01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: So and thinking about that, because analytics have become such

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01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: a big part of it, I feel like it's marginalized

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01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: the managers. So how do managers exist in this world

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01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: where they still have influence on the game without all

1482
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: this way coming from up top. It's still vitally important.

1483
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: You could see the Phillies this year with Rob Thompson.

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean they may have switch to Rob Thompson. That

1485
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: became a completely different team. So, while you're right, the

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01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: managers is not, you know, the key figure in the

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01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: front office anymore. He still affects your winning and losing

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01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: an enormous amount um. Dusty Baker is another key to it,

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter like if I might have a

1490
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: little beef with strategy here and there and taking out pictures,

1491
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: but on the by and large, everywhere he goes, the

1492
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: atmosphere is conducive to success. It's an enormous difference. So

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01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: managers still have in a norm and in fact, I

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01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: think managers right now, that's another cost inefficiency I would

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01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: try to locate the best managers. I'd have no problem.

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01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: Like now they kind of get these new managers they

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01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: wanted for like less than a million a year back

1498
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: when Joe Torre was I think making five million a year.

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01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: If I located a manager that I thought would make

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01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: that much of a difference, I would outbid anybody for him.

1501
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: It's the cost of a backup second basement's five million.

1502
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: If a hundred million dollar payroll, you try to keep

1503
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: the money down. I've been an advocate of that, by

1504
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: the way, for front offices too. And the Dodgers of

1505
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: the team that acted on it, they went and got

1506
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: like five different general managers. Oh wow, he's gonna cost

1507
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: he wants two million dollars, which two million dollars We

1508
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: have a three hundred million dollar payroll. It's the guy

1509
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: putting together your roster like and for a manager. So guy,

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01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: look again, look what Rob Thompson did, Look what Brian

1511
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: Snitker did. These guys have stable like you know, uh

1512
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: like just they bring a stability to their club that

1513
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: brings about this success year to year where the braves

1514
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: can get down early and they no no, no stick

1515
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: to the process. Nobody's panicking, nobody's yelling, everything's good, and

1516
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: you see what results. I'd pay managers more. One of

1517
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: the things in the NFL every year we have hope.

1518
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: Everybody comes into the season thinking they're going to be

1519
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: into the postseason. I know in baseball and years past

1520
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: that hasn't been the case, but it seems to me

1521
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: when you expand the postseason and you see a team

1522
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: like the Phillies who just I know they spent money,

1523
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: but just get into the tournament and you find out

1524
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: what can happen. Once you get a ticket to that tournament,

1525
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: you can go all the way to the World Series.

1526
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: I think that motivates a little bit more. It changes

1527
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: the game quite a bit because it's always um. And

1528
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: we saw this after the Astros and the Cubs did

1529
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: their drastic tear downs and then build back up. You realize, hey,

1530
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: don't go halfway. If you're gonna tear it down, tear

1531
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: it down, like complete tear down, build it back up.

1532
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: Once that happened, you had a league that kind of separated,

1533
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: like there's an oil and you know water. It was like, whoop,

1534
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: we have haves and the have nots, and it was

1535
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: too much of a divide. Now, if you're looking like

1536
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: if you're a team that says, hey, wait a second,

1537
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 1: we don't need ninety three wins to get into the playoffs,

1538
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: because that's really difficult. We need eight seven. Well, anybody

1539
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: who's in that seventy five to eight range, and there's

1540
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: a lot of clubs like that, can say all we

1541
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: need is to get a little bit better and we

1542
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: get in. Now. I don't think anybody can get in

1543
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: and win, um, but the National League last year it

1544
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: was five versus six. I think if you're in that

1545
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: top six, you probably can win the whole World Series.

1546
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: So Brian Kenny not a fan of changes, including banning

1547
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: the shift here. I I think, you know, look, there's

1548
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: there's ways to grow and evolve, and I think that's

1549
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: one thing that the NFL has done. If you look

1550
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: at just even safety of the players and some of

1551
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: the changes that have been made. Everybody thinks that these

1552
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: are gonna be tough adjustments for players. They adjust they're

1553
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: in baseball. They're gonna adjust to the pitch clock, they're

1554
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: gonna adjust to the bigger basis, they're gonna adjust to

1555
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: the band of the shift. It'll be just fine. Yeah,

1556
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:24,480
Speaker 1: it will be fun because players are adaptable in micro uh.

1557
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: They adaptable, they're flexible. They understand how to play within

1558
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 1: the rules, and so they under staying, Okay, here's what

1559
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: I can and what I can't do. Okay, cool, let's

1560
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: get it done. And it'll be more so on the

1561
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: managers to understand how to kind of total line without

1562
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: going over the line. That would be the part that

1563
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: I want to see. How far can I go over?

1564
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: How far can I scoot? Uh to put myself a

1565
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: position to make these plays. We'll see some of that stuff,

1566
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: but it should be a lot of fun to watch. Well.

1567
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed this again, just a

1568
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: quick break as we head towards the NFL scouting comment.

1569
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: I thought you guys would enjoy this as baseball season

1570
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: gets ready to get going here. It was fun to

1571
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: go down there and visit with all those guys. A

1572
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: big shout out to the Bill in our team for

1573
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: going down there and helping us get all these guests

1574
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: doing a wonderful job as always. So um, we'll be

1575
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: back again. We've got a couple more episodes coming this week.

1576
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: We'll jump right back into the football pool here including Friday.

1577
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: I believe is my is my yearly conference call, which

1578
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: is a long one. So uh yeah, if you have

1579
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: your long run, if you do a long run and

1580
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: that that will be your episode. You're not gonna you're

1581
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna want to listen to that at one and a

1582
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: half speed. Buck, you're not gonna want to listen to

1583
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: that one at the at the regular speed. It's a

1584
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: long one. Get some get some sleep, get some rest.

1585
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: If your tough man, man, I'm looking tired, I can

1586
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: tell you right now. All right, that's uh, that's gonna

1587
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: do it for us. I hope you guys have enjoyed it.

1588
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time right here on moving sticks.