1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: My name is Evil Longoria and I am my de 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Remezrachon and welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast that 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: explores our past and present through food. 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages from our culture. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: So make yourself at home, even Brichell. Happy New Year everyone. 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Today's topic is really no coincidence because we know some 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: of us are waking up thinking why why did I 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: do that? Last night? 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: A few of us, maybe more than a few of us, 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: will wake up with a little bit of a hangover 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: after last night's New Year's celebrations. So we thought, let's 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: do an episode about the hangover and the best cure 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: for it. 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: The Hair of the Dog. Hair of the Dog. 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, humans have been getting drunk for a while, 17 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean roughly ten millennia across every continent, every culture, 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: every cultural celebration. We like to drink past humans. 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 4: We really do, and we've been fermenting beverages and imbibing 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 4: them for at least ten thousand years so at a 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: lot of parties at least. 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: By the way, it has to be more than that. 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: I have to imagine from. 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: Adam and Eve days. 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: I know before. I mean, really we like our drinks. 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean I do. I like to drink. What's your 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: favorite drink? I love a good margarita, but it has 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: to be a good margarita. 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: It has to be a good one. It can't be 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: too sweet. I love sparkling wine of every kind. 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: I love campaigne out. 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Champagne. Oh my gosh, me too. And I didn't used to. 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: But let me tell you're talking about a hangover. Champagne 34 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: gives me a hangover, but not kava or prosecco. 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh that's interesting. Yeah, that is weird. 36 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 37 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: I used to love wine, and I still like wine 38 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: a lot, but red wine gives me the worst possible headaches. 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: So what's your favorite drink? California cab everything, what not anymore? 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: That used to be my go to. 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: No, And then I turned to tequila and it was 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: like the margarita or just like a ranch water, but 43 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: it has to be great tequila like mine, and the 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: margarita has to be like, there's nothing worse than a 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: bad margarita, like nothing, Why go eh? Why did I 46 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: order this? And it's thirteen dollars? 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're lucky, Yeah. 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: It's usually twenty two dollars. 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it's ridiculous. 50 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: Yes, And I asked for all the ingredients. I'm like, 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: is you're lime fresh? And they're like, it comes with 52 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: lime juice. I'm like, no, no, no, not from like concentrate. 53 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: And then are you using agave or are you going 54 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: to use a simple syrup And they're like, yeah, it 55 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: has a little sugar. No, no from where? What what is 56 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: the sugar? 57 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: And the yeah, You're like and move over, let me 58 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 3: make it. I do ninety percent of the time. 59 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: I just go can I just go make it? And 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: they're like what am I please? Yeah? So I do 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: love a good margarita. I like a good spoglotto. I 62 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: like a Negroni. But my new drink, my new drink 63 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: of the summer this summer was San Jermin. 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, still it's so good. And now I make other cocktail. 66 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: If it calls for elder flower, I'm like, yes, I 67 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: want to try it. There's like hill what's that famous 68 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: Chris Martini Hillstone, Hillstone, Chris Martini And it's lemon yellow, 69 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: lemon gin and Saint Germain. You shake it, strain it 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: and splash of savignon blanc. 71 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: Oh that sounds really good. What is it called Hilstone. 72 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: And it's oh my god, only eleven in the morning. Uh, Hillstone, 73 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: crisp Martini's. It's so strong you can get I get 74 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: tipsy off one. So it's a little before dinner, before 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: the festivities. I've moved away from wine and I'm in. 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm a cocktail girl. 77 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: So well, the earliest evidence of any sort of like 78 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: cocktail goes back to Neolithic China around seven thousand BC. 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: So archaeologists found traces of a fermented mix of rice, honey, 80 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: and fruit. Right, so this is sort of the whotail 81 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: cocktail sort of you know, like not in the modern 82 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: sense of a cocktail, but yeah, this idea of oh 83 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: my god, rice and honey and fruit. It just sort 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: of fermented by accident. 85 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: Right. 86 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: People then realize that fermentation could make you feel a 87 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: little warm and fuzzy, could give you that little buzz. 88 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: So it just sort of caught on, right. 89 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 2: And then in Mesopotamia people were brewing beer, and there's 90 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: a four thousand year old Samerian him to the beer 91 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: goddess Ninkasi, which also doubles as a recipe. And we 92 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: talk about this in our beer episode, Yeah, about this 93 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: poem and so this idea of you know, beer and 94 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: wine have been a huge part of daily life and 95 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: religious offerings, you know, going back you know to Mesopotamia, 96 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: the ancient Egyptians, so they have really really long histories. 97 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: I feel like the Greeks and Romans are known as 98 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: drinking culture. Was that totally? 99 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 4: Was that? 100 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: Didn't they have? 101 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 4: No? 102 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: No, they have they have a god to it, Dionysius, right, Dionysus. 103 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dionysus is a Greek and Roman and Bacchus is 104 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: a Roman. 105 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: But it's the same guy. Basically, they had same gods, 106 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: just different names. 107 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: But it was the god of wine, the god of intoxication. 108 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: And they have these parties, these symposia where these ideas 109 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: and wine they sort of flowed freely. And we talk 110 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: about this symposio when we did our wine episode on 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: season and season one. So it's sort of this drinking 112 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: and the little buzz get symposium. 113 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: It's like a conference. 114 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: It's a modern day a modern day dental convention. Yeah, 115 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: a symposium. But there's also well, okay, so China was 116 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: obviously doing rice fermentation, which is evolved into early forms 117 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: of sake and Soziu Africa people were making beer from 118 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: millet and sorghum long long, long ago, and then indigenous 119 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: communities here in Americas. We definitely fermented some corn, didn't we. 120 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that. 121 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: There was a fermented corn cacchica in Mexico. Of course, 122 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: buquet from fermented the love of the agave. So all 123 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: of these were early fermented beverages. And then in the 124 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: eighth and ninth centuries came distillation, and that's when we 125 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: get our heart stuff right. And so this dates to 126 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: Arab scientists to figure out how to concentrate alcohol and 127 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: they were using that doing this for scientific and medicinal use. 128 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: And then this sort of innovation spread to Europe. By 129 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: the twelfth century, monks in Italy and France began distealing 130 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: wine into aquavita, so to this water of life, and 131 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: so first it was used desonally, and then over time 132 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: it evolved into brandy, and then they started using similar 133 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: techniques to produce whiskey and gin and then later rom 134 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: and vodka. And when we see like whiskey and rum 135 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: and all of this, that's when we start seeing the 136 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: real hangovers. 137 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: I love how everything started as medicinal use, and then 138 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: we're like this seems fun. Yeah, let's take it a 139 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: step further, because look, sharing a drink is one of 140 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: the oldest shared human experiences. It's one of my favorite 141 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: things to do. 142 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: It is it's like you share a meal and you 143 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: share a drink, you meet for drink. 144 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: It is a beautiful thing. 145 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. In Spanish to say hangover, we say you know 146 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: grula or she's gru the way. And in Spain it's 147 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: called resaca, like you have a you have a resaca. 148 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: So where do these these terms come from? Well, it's 149 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: hangover is such a weird word. 150 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, hangover is a weird word. 151 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: It's sort of this sort of thing that's just uh, 152 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: leftover from the day you know before. But it literally 153 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: means raw. You have this like ugh, raw feeling. Resaca 154 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: means undertow or backwash. It's like, oh, you're being swept 155 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: away from someone. In Venezuela, they call it rapton because 156 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: it feels like there's a mouse running around your head. 157 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: All of these terms for a hangover kind of evoke 158 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: the feeling. 159 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: Right. 160 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: The English word hangover is this literal like, oh my god, 161 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: what's left over from last night? 162 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: And we first see this in English the term hangover. 163 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: It was first used to describe debts or problems, and 164 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: then people started using it to describe these lingering symptoms 165 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: of drinking in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, but. 166 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: It was used to describe debt. Yeah, problem, I have 167 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: a hangover, and it was like, I'm in debt. 168 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: I'm in debt. 169 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: So in French, ship's called guilde bois, which means wooden mouth. 170 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: I've never heard it, but maybe we're not around people 171 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: who have a hangover. But it just means like dry 172 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: and stiff and uncomfortable mouth that your mouth feels. Every 173 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: time I have a hangover, I can trace it back, 174 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: like I mixed alcohol. I that was way too sweet. 175 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: I had too many of the sweet things that wine 176 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: must have had sulfate, like I always know. I'm like, 177 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: I have a feeling of what it was. I knew 178 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: what I did, but what really Like, what's the science 179 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: behind a hangover? What causes the headache, the dizziness, the nausea. 180 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: When we drink alcohol like this, alcohol acts as a diuretic, 181 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: so it makes you pee more and it leaves you 182 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: dehydrated and low on electrolytes. So this gives the you 183 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: that dry mouth and the thirst and the headache and 184 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: all of that, and so you're being dehydrated. But same time, 185 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: the body starts breaking down the alcohol into a byproduct 186 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: called seedylede hyde, which is more toxic than the alcohol itself. 187 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: So this irritated your tissues and triggers inflammation and vomiting 188 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: and just this general like horrible feeling. And then the 189 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: alcohol it makes you fall asleep faster, but it disrupts 190 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: the rem sleep that leaves you tired and irritable. 191 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: So you don't go into deep sleep. 192 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: I remember I used to drink a glass of wine 193 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: before bed because I go, oh, I'm going to sleep 194 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: so well, but you don't. You don't good sleep. 195 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: It's not And usually at three o'clock in the morning, 196 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: it's like, uh, it's all. 197 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: Right away, because your stomach gets angry, your blood sugar drops, 198 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: your sleep is disrupted, so you're just like it just 199 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: leaves you groggy and irritable. And I don't know about you, 200 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: but nowadays it takes me three or four days to recover. 201 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: It is not fun. 202 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: It's not like I used to roll out of bed 203 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: with a hangover and go to a photo shoot and 204 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: work and be on a set and be like woo, now, 205 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: oh that's like three days, three four days to get 206 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: over it. Because a hangover is like a hangover is 207 00:10:54,920 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: your body's pock tail of dehydration, toxins, inflammation, lack of sleep. 208 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: It's just all like this reminder of like was that 209 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: really worth it? There are so many expressions in regards 210 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: to alcohol. One of them I remember I swore by 211 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: in college because I was like, I'm going to follow 212 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: this rule and I'm never going to get sick. 213 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: Is beer before liquor. 214 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: Never been sicker. Liquor before beer, You're in the clear? 215 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: Is there truth about that? Like, if you drink beer 216 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: before liquor, you're going to be sick. 217 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: Not really, I mean there's really no scientific evidence, right. 218 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, the more that you drink, the worse your 219 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: hangover is. And mixing liquors can make your hangover worse. 220 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: But if you do drink beer, so beer fills you 221 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: up first, and then liquor hits hard and fast, so 222 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: it makes both of these just makes you more nauseous. 223 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: So if you drink liquor first and then beer, your 224 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 2: body handles it a little better. So it's just kind 225 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: of the way that your body processes it. But it's 226 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: really you know, it's Mixing liquors is just going to 227 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: make it worse. 228 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: Whatever you do. 229 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: You're gonna get dehydrated in sick. But it is best 230 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: to stick to one. 231 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, So then there's this sort of beer for liquor. 232 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: But then also dark spirits versus light spirits, yes, right, yes, yeah, 233 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: So do dark spirits make you more drunk? 234 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 4: Is it? 235 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true because I actually don't 236 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: drink dark spirits, like what whiskey? 237 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, bourbon, you don't cognac congeners. Yeah, darker spirits have more. 238 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 2: They just produce more of them with the aging, and 239 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: that's what gives you a little bit more of a hangover. 240 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: So I do love a good old fashioned some of those. 241 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: Cognacs and whisky is like, you know, aged fifty years. 242 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: So I could see where this other stuff that your 243 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: body is a process. So right, So here's the other thing. Again, 244 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: these are all my college rules, but hair of the 245 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: dog is the only thing that's got to cure you. 246 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: So I remember just being so hungover in college and 247 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: somebody who's like. 248 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: Here's a beer in the morning. 249 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, get that out of my face. First of all, 250 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: where does the term come from hair of the dog 251 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: and does it really cure a hangover? 252 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: I know, the thought of hair of the dog makes 253 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: me want to puke. 254 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: But the term the cdim it comes from this old 255 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: superstition that a cure for a rabid dog bite involved 256 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: applying hair from the dog that beat you on the 257 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: person's wound. So this is this example of like versus like, 258 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: which was this ancient concept of medicine. 259 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: Right. 260 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: So over time, this concept of you know, and it's 261 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: almost like when you have like an allergy or something 262 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 2: and they inject a little bit of the allergy to 263 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: make you immuse ru Yeah, referring to an alcohol hangover 264 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: first appeared in sixteenth center, England. So the hangover is 265 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: the dog and the hair is the alcohol. 266 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: The only time I go on this girl's weekend with. 267 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: Some of my girlfriends, we go to Corpus every year, 268 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: and that's the only time that I do a hair 269 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: of the dog, because I we do bloody Mary. 270 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: But that's just once a year. 271 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: You know. 272 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about a bloody Mary, 273 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: but that is for me. That is a proper hair 274 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: of the dog. Because I feel like that does work. 275 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: It makes me definitely definitely, it definitely works. If I 276 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: have a bloody Mary, and you. 277 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: Know, January first, it's not only New Year's Day, it's 278 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: National Bloody Mary Day, wait, January first. 279 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't they put it there on purpose? 280 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: Probably it expends. 281 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Now, I love Mary, I love I love a V 282 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: eight remember va? 283 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, super salty, Oh my god, oh my god. 284 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: But I love a spicy V eight. And usually I'll 285 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: get a regular VA and I put the spice in 286 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: it like prapanalla, like I put Worcester, you know, Valentina, 287 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: and so I put a lot of spices in my 288 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: tomato juice. But you know, I think a bloody Mary's 289 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: an iconic hangover remedy, and it's one of the world's 290 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: most popular mixed drinks. It really helped turn vodka into 291 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: like a sensation, just as it turned it from this 292 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: Eastern European spirit into this like global cool thing in 293 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: the mid twentieth century. 294 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: I know, it's so interesting to me that it took 295 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: the bloody Mary, didn't. 296 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: We talk about the the invention of the margarita as well. 297 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about it in our Cocktails episode last season, 298 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: and it just you know, there were so many different 299 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: people that claimed the invention of the margarita, and it's 300 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: the same thing with the Bloody Mary, like so many 301 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: people claim it. 302 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: We don't really know like where it came first. 303 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: But the first time that we see its name, like 304 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: the bloody Mary and the you know, tomato juice and 305 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: vodka tother is in a newspaper column by this woman 306 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: named Dorothy Kilgallan. She had a newspaper, a column called 307 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: a Voice of Broadway in New York, and this is 308 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: from nineteen thirty nine, and she described it as the 309 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: newest hangover cure at New York's twenty one club. And 310 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: at that same time, the Cotton Club, which was a huge, 311 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: you know club in Harlem, included a drink that had vodka, 312 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: tomato juice, tabasco sauce, and lemon juice. 313 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: So in the. 314 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: Nineteen twenties, hungover Americans would pry open these cans of 315 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: stewed tomatoes, strain out the liquid in them, and drink 316 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: it for its vitamins. And so by the end of 317 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: the decade, canned juice had taken off and was just available, 318 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: you know, everywhere, and this can tomato juice made its 319 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: way into speak easies in the nineteen twenties. This is 320 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: during Prohibition, and some of these speakeasies had signed that 321 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: says try tomato juice for that hangover. And there's this 322 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: guy named Odo McIntyre who was a writer. He wrote 323 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: a lot about speaker easis and all of this, and 324 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty nine he described a popular cocktail diversion 325 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: of the moment is composed of equal parts tomato juice 326 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: and gin. So in the nineteen twenties we have it 327 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: with gin, and then in the nineteen thirties we started 328 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: seeing it with vodka. So there's different people. So there's 329 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: this one guy named Ferdinand Petiot. He was a French 330 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: bartender who worked at Harry's New York Bar in Paris 331 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: in the nineteen twenties and then he moved to New 332 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: York and worked at Saint Regis Hotel from the thirties 333 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: to the sixties. And he claims to have been the 334 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: first to put vodka, tomato juice and spices together. And 335 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 2: around the same time, there's an American entertainer, George Jessel, 336 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: who was saying that he claimed it, but dis guyed. 337 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: George may have given the Bloody Mary its name, so they. 338 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: Where's the name come from? Bloody? Well, who's Mary? Why 339 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: did she get? You know, the bad rap? 340 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 2: There are lots of different theories. Some ASSOSSI the name 341 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 2: with Queen Mary, the first of Englint. She was known 342 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: as Bloody Mary for her press persecution of Protestants in 343 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: the sixteenth century. It also could be from this reference 344 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: of bucket of blood. It was a reference to Blunt's 345 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: blood stained water that was mopped from the floors after 346 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: bar fights. 347 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: Have you have you ever had a bloody Maria? I've 348 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: never had a bloody Maria. Yeah, with THEKLA. 349 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: Have I've had a bloody Maria? A bloody Maria has tequila, 350 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: a bloody sassor as clamanto. A red snapper is with 351 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: the gins. Bloody shame is without alcohol blood Why bloody 352 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: shame is like the the worst one. 353 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: Because you're not because you don't have alcohol. 354 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: The original garnish was a lemon and then later a 355 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: celery stock And now you know, oh, if you come 356 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: to La, they're loaded with shrimp and olives and bacon 357 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: and like there it's almost like a Michi lala. Also, 358 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: bloody Mary's go hand in hand with brunch. Why is that? 359 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, brunch and the Bloody mary go together. So this 360 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 2: idea of brunch as we know it first appeared in 361 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: the nineteenth century, credit to a guy named George Berenger, 362 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: who proposed it in an eighteen ninety five essay called 363 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: Brunch a Plea, and he suggested replacing the early morning 364 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: post church breakfast with with a meal that combined breakfast 365 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: and dinner so that people who stayed out drinking late 366 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: on Saturday nights could have something restorative and socially acceptable. 367 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, he argued that it would be socially acceptable to 368 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: eat late mm hmmmm. And he argued brunch would be 369 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: cheerful and sociable and inciting. He also added ps beer 370 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: and whiskey or admitted as substitutes for tea and coffee. 371 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 2: There's your hair of the dog right there, there's your 372 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: hair of the dog. 373 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: But my brunch was meant to be a leisurely affair, 374 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: and as bearing to put it put it, brunch puts 375 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: you in good temper. It makes you satisfied with yourself 376 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: and your fellow Beans and it sweeps away the worries 377 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: and the cobwebs of the week. But then brunch crossed 378 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: the Atlantic in the nineteen twenties and it caught on 379 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: in New York, New Orleans, and Chicago. And the early 380 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: days of this brunch here in the Americas coincided with prohibition, 381 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: and so after World War Two, restaurants began offering Sunday 382 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: brunch as a way to draw customers on a traditionally 383 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: slow day. But also that's probably like there were secret 384 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: brunches to have Bloody Mary's. 385 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: You had Bloody Mary's. 386 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: Before hair of the Dog. There were ancient like hangover cures. 387 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: They it wasn't called hair of the dog, and it 388 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: wasn't even hair of the dog. It was like other 389 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: things to calm upset stomachs, right. 390 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Like the ancient Mesopotamians. There are cuneiform tablets 391 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 2: that suggest that they had beer and barley soup to 392 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: calm the stomach after drinking, and beer was a medicinal agent. 393 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: My favorite is probably that the ancient Greeks they believed 394 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: cabbage and grape vines were enemies, so they would have 395 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: boiled cabbage for hangover because they felt that that would 396 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: counteract the effects of drinking excessive wine. And they also 397 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: prayed to Dionysius, the god of wine. 398 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: That's how according to a first century pharmacologists, eating five 399 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: almonds before drinking could prevent drunkness. That's easy, I could 400 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: do that. I could be easy. Right if you're listening 401 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: right now with a pounding headache and a vague sense 402 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: of regret. Here are some science backed ways to survive 403 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: a hangover like these are proven. Number one is definitely 404 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: hydrate because alcohol is a diarrhetic and so a lot 405 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: of times people go straight for coffee in the morning 406 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: after a hangover, and actually, obviously you want water. You 407 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: want to start your morning with water. Add some salt 408 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: of electrolytes because your body is just begging for those minerals. 409 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: Coconut water is also really good. To just hydrate, hydrate, hydrate. 410 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 3: And then eat. 411 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: Just have some eggs and toasts, some oatmeals, something easy 412 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: to digest. 413 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, people say like the greasier the better, and Yah's 414 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: like that's not true. I if I know, like, if 415 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: I come home tipsy, I take a couple of ad 416 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: bill and I go to bed, so that the pain 417 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: relief step three is pain relief. I viewprofen or ask 418 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: them will help ease your headache? 419 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: Yes, and then rest, sleep and repeat today everybody, Yeah, 420 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: and then repeat. 421 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, Happy New Year, 422 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed our episode all about Hair of the Dog. 423 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, and Happy New Year and Happy 424 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: Bloody Mary Day. 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