WEBVTT - Yellowjackets S2 Finale

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. This podcast spoilers for the season two finale of

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<v Speaker 1>Yellow Jackets and some spoilers for the finale of season

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<v Speaker 1>three of The Mandalorian and The Nerd out be warned. Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Extra Vision of the Crooked Media podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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<v Speaker 2>In this episode, in the air Lock, You've wanted it,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're doing it. We are doing the Yellow Jacket

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<v Speaker 2>season two finale. We're gonna break down all the wildest

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<v Speaker 2>things that happened, and there were a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's bananas, folks, It's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>In nerd out Lee offers the Moff Gideon theory from

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<v Speaker 2>the recent finale of The Mandalorian.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up the Yellow Jackets season two finale.

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<v Speaker 2>We're stepping out of the airlock and into the frosty

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<v Speaker 2>wilderness of the Yellow Jackets season two episode nine, which

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<v Speaker 2>is also the season finale episode nine Storytelling, directed by

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<v Speaker 2>Karen Cassama, She Came Back Icon, I Love Karen Kasama,

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer's Body, The Invitation. She also directed the pilot and

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<v Speaker 2>it was written by Amini Rosa. Now, the finale of

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<v Speaker 2>Yellow Jacket season two finds the survivors in the present

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<v Speaker 2>planning a new sacrifice and the survivors in the past

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the fallout of how these death flash murder,

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<v Speaker 2>and over the course of the episode, a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>very wild stuff happens. So we're just gonna break it

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<v Speaker 2>down piece by wild peace. Jason, First of all, how

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<v Speaker 2>did the finale work for you?

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<v Speaker 1>It was very insane. I thought you could have combined

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<v Speaker 1>season one and two and made one really crazy season

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<v Speaker 1>of television. The Adam death murder storyline just took up

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<v Speaker 1>way too much meat space in this season, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we didn't need it because we've ended

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<v Speaker 1>up in a place and we get there in the

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<v Speaker 1>most insane way where basically that chapter is closed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the walking Dead issue. We did a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>extreme stuff to get to a place where it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>We ended up essentially where we kind of began at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of season two, which is nobody knows and

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter. So I agree with you. I think

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<v Speaker 2>RP to Adam alpt it loved Adam seemed like a

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<v Speaker 2>really cute guy, like sorry he got chopped up. And

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<v Speaker 2>I love the domestic drama between Jeff and Seana.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff is going through it man.

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<v Speaker 2>And Callie's been a fun addition. But I agree absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say like ridiculous, like the finale was totally wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Like ridiculous to me is not a negative thing. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's complimentary, but a lot of wild stuff happens. I

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<v Speaker 2>would agree. I think that Adam Martin murder, in hindsight,

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<v Speaker 2>that plotline like took up too much time.

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<v Speaker 1>We could have sown that whole thing up in like

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think, look, people get murdered all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what, it doesn't always get solved.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying like that could have been a back burner.

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<v Speaker 2>Plot line where we could have focused a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more time on the survivors.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, in small town New Jersey, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>solve this random murder of this kind of working artist.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Kevin was like, this is my path

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<v Speaker 1>to promotion, this is my path to success. It involves

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<v Speaker 1>people that I kind of know and have a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with already. I got to solve this fucking crime. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to solve it so badly that I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get one of my colleagues to seduce a teenager and

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<v Speaker 1>that's how I'm gonna do it. Like, that's how much

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to solve this murder.

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<v Speaker 2>That was absolutely illegal. I'm just saying, Look, I know

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe there are not many people around to hold

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<v Speaker 2>the police accountable if they're doing illegal things, But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like Kevin was much too casual on So I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you. Him and m Sarahkuza were a nightmare

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<v Speaker 2>team who saw, you know, Adam Martin's death so that

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<v Speaker 2>they could you know, climb up the ladder of policing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see how that worked out for them in this

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<v Speaker 2>finale episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So in the nineties we begin. It's the fallout

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<v Speaker 2>of Harvey's death. Everyone's upset, nobody wants to be eating

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey's body, but they're all gonna do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it is. In the Wilderness, Baby, the wilderness

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<v Speaker 2>chose and the first wild moment we have to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>So Shanna goes out, she chops up Harvey's body like

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<v Speaker 2>she's been studying at butchery school. She is bringing that in.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks delectable. How did she learn this?

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<v Speaker 1>Also, that is like hard fucking work. At one point

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<v Speaker 1>and this made me laugh at loud. You see Harvey's

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<v Speaker 1>heart which has been extracted from his chest cavity, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks pristine and perfect and maybe a little big.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think the upside for Harvey's tragic death and

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<v Speaker 1>cannibalistic ritual development of his flesh is that when you

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<v Speaker 1>see that heart, I'm thinking maybe Hovey had some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of heart disease undiagnosed.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there was an enlarged talk going on. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is a messy, yeah, at.

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<v Speaker 1>That age to have an in large heart poof, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe, just maybe this was the better way

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<v Speaker 1>for Hobby to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's just freezing in an ice pond. Does all

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<v Speaker 2>your friends watch, you know, and then gang eating?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, drifting off to sleep, you know as you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sink to the bottom of the lake. It'd be

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<v Speaker 1>better than dropping dead, like in the middle of eating

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<v Speaker 1>doritos or something, because if you're undiagnosed and enlarged heart,

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<v Speaker 1>his het was so big. It was huge, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like when they crack open your chest cavity when they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing open heartsherty that takes like they need a sauce,

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<v Speaker 1>bolt cutters and fucking saws and shit and like huge

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<v Speaker 1>jacks and clamps and stuff. How did she do it?

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<v Speaker 2>One is showing a supernatural Oh no, that's market moves,

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<v Speaker 2>But like I want to know that also, So how

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<v Speaker 2>did Seanna get so good at chopping up a body?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I saw she's only done it to a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of things in the woods, So what's going on there?

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<v Speaker 1>I think she just has a passion for it. She

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<v Speaker 1>has a real, real passion for dissecting human bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>As we saw, she was very good at it. We

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<v Speaker 2>saw the horrible images of Adam Martin's body. She's kept

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<v Speaker 2>up with that talent. So the first kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>WTF moment, Travis shows his subservience to the new regime

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<v Speaker 2>and that his acceptance of the fact Havi's died after

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<v Speaker 2>like being outside for a couple of hours crying. He

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<v Speaker 2>just yams the heart, He just yams it all down.

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<v Speaker 2>He just takes a big bite out of it. Am

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<v Speaker 2>seems unhealthy. Are you gonna get sick? I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>you can just eat a raw human heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it was cooked right, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>He ate a bite of it raw before they cooked it.

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<v Speaker 1>Goddamn, that is just so savage. I couldn't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>he was just holding his brother's heart like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what he is, this associate and he's on a

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<v Speaker 2>coach ben path. There's no way you can survive.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm gonna eat people like I have to. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the plane is crash, We're in the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>and we gotta do it. Some people have died, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not my brother, but like, we got to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm starting with the bits that look like meat that

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<v Speaker 1>you would get any other place. Give me some chunks,

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<v Speaker 1>like some kind of filet of butt or thigh. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not starting with an organ, and I'm certainly not starting

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<v Speaker 1>with a recognizable organ like the heart exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying as well, Shanna, she butchered those into like

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<v Speaker 2>nicely steaks. Yeah, she phileied Harvey and made him look edible.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that was wild. They cooked him up, they

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<v Speaker 2>ate him. One of the big reveals from the finale

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<v Speaker 2>is like Lotti is not really happy about Harvey's death.

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<v Speaker 2>She feels like Misty took her words out of context.

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<v Speaker 2>She was saying, if I die because Shanna beat the

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<v Speaker 2>shower of me, you guys can eat me. But She's like, Misty,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't tell you to go and kill a child.

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<v Speaker 2>And Misty's like, shut the fuck up and go downstairs

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<v Speaker 2>and eat that child. So Loi makes a choice that

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<v Speaker 2>she is gonna anoint the next leader of the group, which,

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember season one, we were all calling how

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<v Speaker 2>the Antler Queen is that hooded figure that you see

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<v Speaker 2>with the with the Antlers, And in a very shocking twist,

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<v Speaker 2>she chooses Natalie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you, Lottie, I don't know which way

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<v Speaker 1>she's coming or going any given time. I thought she

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<v Speaker 1>would love this. Here we are, we got it, We

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<v Speaker 1>got it a life. Someone has died. The wilderness unambiguously

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<v Speaker 1>chose Hovey after keeping him alive. You could argue, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone should have. Not only did the wilderness choose him,

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<v Speaker 1>the wilderness kept him alive for all these weeks and months,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically to choose him at this particular time, to die

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<v Speaker 1>for us so.

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<v Speaker 2>We could eat him.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you losing your nerve about this, Lottie?

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus like I have been here for months convincing myself

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<v Speaker 3>I have to eat a m and now I'm into

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<v Speaker 3>it and the human smells delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I'm not into it, Like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>And now you changing your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I propose this Lottie did just get like severe head

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<v Speaker 2>trauma from Shana. So maybe she's been like kicked out

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<v Speaker 2>of whatever kind of delusional state she was in, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's had a little bit of you know, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of brain injury, trag brain injury. I've had them

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. They can change how you feel. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that like she was feeling a little bit guilty,

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<v Speaker 2>she was feeling a little bit bad. You know, her

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<v Speaker 2>face is looking very healed.

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<v Speaker 1>She's also in some form of fashion neurodivergent and not

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<v Speaker 1>taking her medicine. Yes, all of this time, plus the

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<v Speaker 1>head injury, which I've been concussed as well, and it

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<v Speaker 1>does make you certainly irritable and feel different. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing that that is part of it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good call.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I'm very interested in it. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever season three comes out, I hope we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about this with Natalie too. But I

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<v Speaker 2>hope we get to know a bit more about Lottie

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<v Speaker 2>because the rest of the girls, I feel like there

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<v Speaker 2>is a certain amount of inner personal connection or backstory

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<v Speaker 2>that you get. But with Latti, we don't really know

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<v Speaker 2>much outside of her struggles with her mental health. Her

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<v Speaker 2>family sucks and they're rich, but we don't really know

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<v Speaker 2>who she had a crush on, or whether she even

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<v Speaker 2>feels that way about people, or what her kind of

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<v Speaker 2>day to day life was like that made her a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>She's kind of more of this supernatural, kind of morally

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<v Speaker 2>gray entity, and I would like to know more about

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<v Speaker 2>her as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel the exact same way. I think that this

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<v Speaker 1>is an issue for all of our cast I found

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<v Speaker 1>myself thinking not to jump ahead, but after we lose

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie in the present, I was like, man, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about Natalie. We know that she's struggled with

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<v Speaker 1>addiction issues and that she also had a really fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up family life, and we know you know that she

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<v Speaker 1>fucked in the cabin somewhere, but other than that, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know much. And I was really sad when we

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<v Speaker 1>lose her, because I'm like, man, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>was just getting to know her, I don't know enough

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<v Speaker 1>about her.

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<v Speaker 2>You're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you could say all of them are that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this has just sparked something in my head that

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking a lot about something. The first season

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<v Speaker 2>did so well that I think made us feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we were getting to know them. It had flashbacks allah Lost, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not whole episodes like Lost, but like that's how we

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<v Speaker 2>know about Natalie's dad and how he accidentally killed himself.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't really get any of that. We didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>anything about the pre crash life apart from Coach Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of that was kind of it was unclear

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<v Speaker 2>whether that was imagined or real memories. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of the time could have been

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<v Speaker 2>diverted to those aspects and learning more about the girls

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<v Speaker 2>and their lives than you know, wondering about what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to Adam. Mind, we know dramatic irony, baby, we know

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<v Speaker 2>he's dead, So like, I would have liked to see that,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think you're right, and I think that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of you and Natalie, for me, feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>characters I would have liked to know more about the

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<v Speaker 2>most out of the kind of hierarchy. But yeah, Natalie

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<v Speaker 2>gets chosen to be the aunt La Queen. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>will say the wonderful Sophie Thatcher, who plays Natalie, who

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<v Speaker 2>I think is so brilliant. She did confirm in a

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood Reporter article she is the aunt La Queen. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I do not believe that this is our final ant

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<v Speaker 2>La Queen. Lottie anoints her and says you're the leader,

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<v Speaker 2>and all the girls kind of go up and vow

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<v Speaker 2>themselves to her with kind of bows, and it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>sincere at the beginning, and then Aquila does a little

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<v Speaker 2>kind of funny curtsy and it becomes a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more fun. But you can see Natalie as kind of

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<v Speaker 2>getting drunk on being worshiped and being put on a

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<v Speaker 2>pedestal for the first time in her life because she's

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<v Speaker 2>always kind of been an outsider. So I'm very interested

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<v Speaker 2>in this because I feel like Natalie was the most

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<v Speaker 2>logical faction in the nineties Survivors, and I feel like

0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.080
<v Speaker 2>killing her having to choose Harvey over herself was like

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<v Speaker 2>very heartbreaking, and she felt like she actually cared about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how far she's gonna go into

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<v Speaker 2>the life of the cannibal is.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the upside for me with this. I think from

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<v Speaker 1>this we can kind of into it that there will

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<v Speaker 1>be other Antler queens.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, I totally agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the good news. This kind of patchwork society that

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<v Speaker 1>is created itself in the woods has figured out one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most complex problems in governance, which is how

0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.959
<v Speaker 1>do you pass power. They've figured it out. They've made

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<v Speaker 1>the Antler queen some sort of title that can be

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<v Speaker 1>passed from person to person with very little murdering. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one person gets murdered, a just one every time. Not

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<v Speaker 1>that bad if you look at it societally.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that bad for just one mud It to happen

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<v Speaker 2>with the passing of power, if you look at history.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually at least five mudas and then wars and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff later. They've figured it out where you just

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<v Speaker 1>you kill and eat one person and then you pass

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<v Speaker 1>the title and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys, remember the original version of the sacrifice

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<v Speaker 2>we saw lost episode was you know, Natalie Bolt, the

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<v Speaker 2>Queen of Hawk's Cod and that was the card that

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<v Speaker 2>they would choose to sacrifice someone. But obviously now Natalie

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<v Speaker 2>has become the ant La Queen, so that takes on

0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:10.680
<v Speaker 2>a different kind of meaning, especially when if you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey pulled a King card. I believe it was a

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<v Speaker 2>black King card. I can't remember exactly which one, but

0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.440
<v Speaker 2>before Natalie dies in the present, that is the card

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<v Speaker 2>she pulls. So I think that we can assume that

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<v Speaker 2>from now the Queen of Hearts card is more going

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<v Speaker 2>to be about the ant la queen and who is

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of those decisions, and the King cards will

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<v Speaker 2>be the ones where we see the people become sacrifices. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I do wonder if Natalie's route of being Aunt la

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<v Speaker 2>Queen is going to be let's jerky, Harvey, Let's put

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<v Speaker 2>some of that meat away. Let's just try and survive

0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.960
<v Speaker 2>without doing any of that, and then when they run

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<v Speaker 2>out of meat, she'll be overthrown or she'll pass the

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<v Speaker 2>power to someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back. This whole sequence really made me feel

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<v Speaker 1>pretty strongly about our theory that there is no supernatural

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<v Speaker 1>shit going on right. This is just a kind of

0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:18.720
<v Speaker 1>shared delusion brought on by starvation, by underlying mental illness

0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:24.000
<v Speaker 1>with no medications, by being trapped in this trauma trauma

0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:30.320
<v Speaker 1>by being trapped in this very extreme environment all together

0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:35.240
<v Speaker 1>and being dosed regularly with hallucinogenic drugs. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that this is just like a kind of mass illusion

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<v Speaker 1>that said, do they remember.

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<v Speaker 2>This, this is the biggest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they remember that event?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they remember from what we see in

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<v Speaker 2>the present, they remember that at times they sacrificed people

0:16:54.400 --> 0:17:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to appease the wilderness. But we get a really interesting

0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.240
<v Speaker 2>line that comes up in the present, which we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to in a minute, but where Lotti adult Lotti says,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no it, It's just us, right, it was always

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.840
<v Speaker 2>just us. Or Shana says that, and then Lotti says,

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<v Speaker 2>does it matter? What's the difference? And that is the same.

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<v Speaker 2>So this episode argues I think that the wilderness and

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<v Speaker 2>appeasing the wilderness was essentially a story that they told, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so that they didn't feel guilty about eating people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you brought up the idea of this

0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.320
<v Speaker 2>shared delusion because I think something they do really well.

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<v Speaker 2>When they shoot Sophie Thatcher as she's sitting there and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's kind of bowing to her, there's this almost like

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<v Speaker 2>religious fervor. Yeah, in her eyes that comes over her

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<v Speaker 2>like it feels like they are lost in this struggle

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<v Speaker 2>to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>When Lottie said, what's the difference, I wanted to be like, Babe,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a tremendous difference. It is such an incredibly vast difference.

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<v Speaker 1>The distance from it's us too, it's something other than

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<v Speaker 1>us is so huge because like, y'all are killing and

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<v Speaker 1>eating people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're claiming that you're being forced to do

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<v Speaker 2>it by a malevolent spirit, but I'm actually you. That's

0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the difference between culpability and caplicity. That's thought the probably

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<v Speaker 2>even though the statue of limitations is long gone.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a huge difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Loddie, Well, I'm glad we're gonna get to that in

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<v Speaker 2>a minute as well, because I want to talk about

0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.200
<v Speaker 2>that whole situation at cam Green Pine because these people

0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.840
<v Speaker 2>need to go to therapy, every single one. But okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so finally we're talking about that great shot where Sophie

0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Thatcher is there and she's Natalie's like kind of taking

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<v Speaker 2>in all this new passion and the love that her

0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.479
<v Speaker 2>followers now have for realizing her power, and through the

0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:53.160
<v Speaker 2>window Coach Ben sees her. Now Coach Ben had already,

0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, said to Natalie, Hey, I found Harvey's secret

0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.679
<v Speaker 2>magical tree where he survived. How about you come with me.

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<v Speaker 2>We can be the cool kids who don't eat people

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<v Speaker 2>and we can just survive there throughout the winter. And

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<v Speaker 2>Nali was like, ah, sorry, I killed Howvey, so can't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. But you go off and do it. So then,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is getting to the end of the episode

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<v Speaker 2>because this one skips between so much. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do the past timeline first and then the present timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good that we're skipping because it's just like the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We should, in fact, just continue to skip from timeline

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<v Speaker 1>a timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so coach Ben in a shocking moment. We can

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<v Speaker 2>assume it's him, I will say allegedly because we don't

0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.920
<v Speaker 2>see him do it. But the girls wake up as

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<v Speaker 2>the episode comes to a close in the nineties and

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<v Speaker 2>the cabin is on fire. Yeah, like it is like

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<v Speaker 2>doused with oil fire, Like this thing is burning in

0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:46.159
<v Speaker 2>the snowy wilderness. And the implication we saw Ben previously

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 2>with a box of matches and some firewoods, so we

0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.040
<v Speaker 2>can assume he burned down the cabin.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm putting it right on Ben yeah, I'm putting on him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say alleged leg Yeah, but I'm putting

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<v Speaker 2>on it was Ben. Sorry, guys, it was Ben. So

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<v Speaker 2>we end the season in the past with them by

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<v Speaker 2>basically being in the true wilderness. Like if they were

0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.920
<v Speaker 2>doing wild shit to survive when they had a shelter

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.639
<v Speaker 2>and a cabin, imagine what they're going to get up

0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to now they have to live outside in the snow.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not looking good for anyone. Ben. That was really

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<v Speaker 2>dumb move, terrible choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess this is another one of those where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, why do this? I guess because you're

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<v Speaker 1>just sick of everything and here they are, they're about

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<v Speaker 1>to eat another kid, and you've got a place to

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<v Speaker 1>live now. But like, you know, you can stay in

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the stump. I guess, like for you know, like personally,

0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:33.399
<v Speaker 1>you can stay in the stump.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been saying, like we thought maybe it was like

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, a lot in the ye oldie times,

0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.080
<v Speaker 2>they would essentially make like store cupboards underground and like

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<v Speaker 2>the roots of trees, and I wonder if he found

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. So he's feeling pretty good about himself

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and his chances to survive. I will say, I do

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<v Speaker 2>wonder I think this is a stupid idea because obviously

0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:52.879
<v Speaker 2>they were all able to get out. He did not

0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:54.680
<v Speaker 2>barricade the door well enough. And now they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>eat you, absolutely no question you'll get any And.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now they're gonna find you and they're gonna eat you.

0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.000
<v Speaker 2>You told Natalie about the tree, so she's gonna know

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.280
<v Speaker 2>where to look for you. You have created a vengeful

0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.720
<v Speaker 2>group of teenage girls who are gonna eat you. But

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if Ben's self justification for it is something

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.200
<v Speaker 2>along the lines of, like, they're all gonna kill each

0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.440
<v Speaker 2>other anyway, So this is boo, like just kill them

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 2>all and that they die in the night and they

0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 2>die a horrible, fiery death. But at least that's bad

0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.800
<v Speaker 2>than them, you know, going around just like killing each

0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.959
<v Speaker 2>other and eating each other for the next six months.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that was probably the thought. But then you

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<v Speaker 1>got to barricade the door. My guy, you can't let

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<v Speaker 1>them get out.

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, like you shouldn't been nailing some hammer and

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.840
<v Speaker 2>nails over the windows. You can't let them get out.

0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.000
<v Speaker 2>You just created something terrible for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Just sneak off and stay in the tree. If there

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.600
<v Speaker 1>are indeed stores somewhere in that tree. We saw that

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Hove was surviving on lots of meat. There's bones of

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.680
<v Speaker 1>things in there. If there is an access in that

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 1>stump to food, then just fucking stay there. They're not

0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna find Maybe they'll find it, maybe they won't. But like,

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:02.400
<v Speaker 1>what a move.

0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:03.440
<v Speaker 2>You didn't need to do that.

0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.919
<v Speaker 1>Nobody is thinking straight out here in the wilderness. Nobody.

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, season two, no one's thinking straight Jason conception.

0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like the poster in the past or in

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the future.

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Well, let's speak about the present. So in

0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:23.679
<v Speaker 2>the present. If you remember last episode, episode eight, Lottie

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 2>had proposed something incredibly logical, which was, hey, let's drink

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.960
<v Speaker 2>from these cups and one of them spiked with fennabarbital,

0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.639
<v Speaker 2>and if you drink that one, you're gonna die. But

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:36.560
<v Speaker 2>then the wilderness will let us be and our lives

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.119
<v Speaker 2>will be good. Now, first of all, I have a

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.240
<v Speaker 2>problem with this theory. I boy up last week. But

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.800
<v Speaker 2>the truth is that doesn't make any sense because Travis

0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.520
<v Speaker 2>already died, so surely your life should be fine. Like,

0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:47.880
<v Speaker 2>how many times do you have to do a sacrifice. Yeah,

0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>like you're talking about a lot that was like two

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 2>months ago or something. How many sacrifices you need to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Makes no sense.

0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.959
<v Speaker 1>But again, I think this is this is a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of mentally ill people, like arguing about a supernatural shit

0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:04.119
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't make any sense. Like, folks, we've got bodies

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 1>already on the ledger. We don't need to be throwing

0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 1>other bodies at it. Let's put Adam in there, Like,

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.679
<v Speaker 1>what about Adam? Throw another one of their looking killed

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<v Speaker 1>by the hand of one of y'all, Thank you did

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<v Speaker 1>and cut.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, I will say Adam. He adds a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to the theory that this does work, though,

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.320
<v Speaker 2>because after they killed Adam.

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Jeff was selling sofas like hotcakes. Couldn't believe it go

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<v Speaker 3>for Jeff only.

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 2>It was gomah for Jeff only. So this is a classic.

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, I think this is a bunch of

0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>menal old people who are really struggling with their decisions. Yeah,

0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 2>because we end up in a situation here where Shawna

0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.720
<v Speaker 2>decides the best way to distract Lotti from her plan

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 2>to kill them all is to be like don't no, no, no.

0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 2>If we're gonna do it. We gotta just like sacrifice

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 2>someone and kill them with a knife in the wood.

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we gotta do it for real, Yeah like we

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<v Speaker 1>used to.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't just want to be drinking this nice And

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Babe, Shanna, why are you always doing this

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 2>every time? Every single time? Also acgally, sorry, I just

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<v Speaker 2>need to skip back because I did forget this one

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.120
<v Speaker 2>of the best moments of this finale that I love

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 2>so much that is either absolutely irrelevant and just a

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:19.119
<v Speaker 2>hilarious character moment or incredibly important and we'll shape the

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 2>next season. After Lotty chooses Natalie to be the Antler Queen,

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>we get a clip of Shannah and she's writing in

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 2>her diary and she's like, why wasn't it me? Why

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.119
<v Speaker 2>wasn't I chosen to be the leader? After everything I

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.600
<v Speaker 2>have done, I have been chopping up everyone, And I

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 2>was like, Wow, sure not. You are petty and I love.

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>You, dear diary. Do my friends hate me? Question mark.

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I know that we started off on the wrong foot

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:47.240
<v Speaker 1>with me fucking my friend's boyfriend, but she's dead now

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>we hate her and we've kind of patched things up

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 1>in the afterlife, Like I had a long running multi

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:55.479
<v Speaker 1>weak delusion where I was talking to her and then

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I aron, we're good now, but now all of a sudden,

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.959
<v Speaker 1>I chop up Hovey, and all of a sudden nobody

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 1>wants to choose me for Allan Queen. What the fuck?

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.879
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck? That was like so good? So Sean

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>is really channeling that energy here with this terrible choice.

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.439
<v Speaker 2>So that sets off a whole series of events and

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>they're like, well, we'll do that to distract Lottie. But

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 2>what do they do in the meantime, Nothing, pure chaos.

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Jeff shows up to Camp green Pine with CALLI terrible parenting, Jeff,

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 2>don't do it. Shouldn't have done that. Love you, Jeff,

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>love you deeply. I'm like the head of your fan club.

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 2>But don't do it. Jeff and Kelly turn up. Jeff

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 2>goes inside and finds Kevin Tan the cop, talking to Walter.

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Why is he there? This is what we call Walter

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 2>x Mackina. I love Elijah Wood. I think they're very

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.439
<v Speaker 2>lucky they got him for this role. He sells it

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>for me even when it gets outrageous. But Kevin and

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Walter they're just having a friendly chat, you know, Kevin

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:54.239
<v Speaker 2>is questioning Walter. Walter's pretending that he thinks that, you

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 2>know the people from the Yellow Jackets Survival crash, they're

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 2>really bad people. Why don't you have some delicious hot cocoa?

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Kevin tan while I tell you this story?

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Are you a detective?

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 2>I love being a detective.

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of a detective. I am part of the

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 1>amateur detective community. You might have heard of us.

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of us? Have you heard of us?

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.119
<v Speaker 2>And Jeff shows up and he's like, fuck, Kevin, you

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 2>followed me here. I'm really dumb. I should have realized

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>that was gonna happen, but I didn't because I'm like

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 2>a sweet himbo who just loves my wife. I'm gonna

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.439
<v Speaker 2>false confess that I killed Adam Martin so that you

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>leave my wife alone. It's very honorable. Kevin is clearly

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 2>quite moved and upset because it's, well, you know what,

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I like Jeff. I like Jeff because he is crazy,

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 2>just as crazy as Seana.

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Let me say this about Jeff, who has been going

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 1>through it all season and is going through it in

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>this episode in a wonderfully unhinged performance by Warren Cole,

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Who's like unbelievable. Jeff is on the edge of tears

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>this entire episode, and it must have been so emotionally

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>grueling to film this. And I'll say this about the

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 1>honorableness of his decision here it is, I guess.

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's loyal. That's the word I should have used.

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>It's loyal. Here's my counter. You're leaving Kelly with your

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>insane wife.

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I know, like.

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 1>You're the level headed one, like throw her under the bus.

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I know, I do wonder about that, But I'm also like,

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's like, I'll be safer in prison from my

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 2>wife and my daughter.

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Yet my man's murdering, cannibalistic wife and her cool daughter who.

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Like is clearly getting more and more into that lifestyle

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 2>as she gets older. Yeah, so it doesn't matter because

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 2>guess what, Jeff, His confession is useless because that delicious

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>cocoa with marshmallows and whipped cream that Kevin Tan was

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 2>sipping on in the kitchen of Camp Green Pine, it

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 2>was spiked with fenobarbital, and boom, Kevin Tan's dead, not

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>knocked down.

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>No, honestly, can you just get Fenna barberital? Like, where

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 1>are people just getting Fenna barberital.

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 2>So did he get it from where Lotti had it

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 2>because Misty told him, might be he had it, or

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 2>did he bring his own fena barbital because this is

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>clearly not the first time this man's murdered someone.

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, clearly not. And I just have my issue with

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>this is this one. I would have loved to see

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Jeff and or Shauna get out of this situation on

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>their own, not have a diis ex Walter, like show

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>up and kill the guy. And secondarily Walter, which is

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>our next bullet point, then goes to m Saracuza and

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, hey, so you're gonna go along with this,

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that it was actually Kevin that killed Adam for this

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and this and this reason. I've set it up. I

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>put it the text messages I've got, I've got all

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the fake messages and stuff, bank details.

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Bank details everything. I'm a billionagg I can do it everyone.

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>It looks fucking good. Yeah, this is I just do

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>this for laughs, Like this is a hobby of mine.

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm into it, and you're gonna find that it's seamless

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna go along with it, because if you

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>don't go along with it, it's gonna look like you

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>did it. And oh, by the way, also you were

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>attempting to date like a high school junior and or

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>senior as part of this, So it's like it's gonna

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>look really really bad for you. Why would M. Sarahcusa

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>go along with it? Like, wouldn't he be like, I

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 1>guess I'm gonna have this murder hanging over my head

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of my life.

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I think that the argument because we've talked about what

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 2>shithead M. Saracusa, he really is a dumb man. Here's

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>the fucking what.

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I think the argument here is like Walter plays into

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>his ego. One he does set M. Saracuzer up for

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 2>the murtter of Kevin Town because he steals his gun

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and then just shoots Kevin three times. Yeah, And I

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>think he plays into his ego and he's basically like,

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you can be the hero. You took him down, you

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 2>found the evidence. That's right, You get that promotion that

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 2>you guys had really wanted, and nobody finds out you

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>were dating a teenager and actually you can go and

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>you can go and date more teenagers and steal more

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 2>information from them and manipulate them I don't care. I've

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>had it go for it, I've had it go crazy,

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's the reasoning. But it is extremely outrageous. Yeah,

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it tips the show into a different space.

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>It's almost slapstick in the way it goes down like

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>it's Yeah, it's almost a comedic piece in the way

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 1>he just like drops dead like a Looney Tunes character.

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Also, look, I don't want anyone out here reading anything

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 2>into this that isn't about it yet. I'm not saying

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I wish Kevin tandlved. Look, he was not doing a

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>good job. He was a bad cop. But out of

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 2>the two of them, I would rather M. Sarakuza died. Like,

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 2>if I was picking, I think M.

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Sarahcuzu is definitely the one with the kind of like

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the moral gray Ariara, here is my head cannon for

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Why if indeed M. Sarahcuz ends up keeping the secret,

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>why he would? I think he was a little eager

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to be like, hey, why don't I just take the

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>teenaged doughter of the suspect on a few days. He

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>was very very eager to do that. And I do

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 1>wonder if he does end up keeping the secret. If

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the reason isn't that, guess what Amsarracuza complete dirt big.

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no no. I think you actually, ironically with

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 2>this headcanon, I think you actually tap into probably what

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 2>the show really wants us to think, which is M.

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Saracuza has come up against a person in Walter who

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>has all this information, who has all this power, who

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 2>can set something like this up. How lightly would Walter

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>have to scratch into M. Saracuse's history to find out

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>all the terrible shit that he did. I mean, he

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't tell Kevin about that plan. He just went to

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>a bar and hit on Calli. He wasn't undercover, he

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't have any kind of legal protections around him. I

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 2>think you're right. I think he's just a total dirt bag.

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 2>And it's also a self preservation thing as well as

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 2>an ego thing. Speaking of Calli, Cally almost kills M. Sarahcusa.

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I would have absolutely loved to see it. She also

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>would have helped Walter out.

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>She was ready to commit a murder.

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 2>She had that gun and she was like, boom, I'm

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>just gonna shoot this fucking guy. But Walter drew him

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 2>away with a hilarious mobile phone trick, Poor Jeff almost

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 2>crying watching him doing this, setting up a killer X.

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Ray vision will be back and we're back.

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot going on at Camp green Pine this episode.

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 2>We are seeing murders, set ups, all kinds of occurrences.

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Callie almost kills someone, Jeff's there. This is a real

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>like you bring everyone in for the finale episode, but

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>let us not forget that. There is also the question

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>of the sacrifice, the wilderness sacrifice, which I'm now feeling

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>like the whole reason Camp green Pine was there was

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 2>so they can do the wilderness sacrifice again, you know,

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>And now I need to ask you this question. Sure,

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I really love Yellow Jackets, and even though this finale

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 2>was totally out there and kind of like a jump

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.479
<v Speaker 2>the shark s thing, I'm still committed. I still care

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 2>about these characters. But I do need to know this

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 2>because I've been thinking about this a lot. Yes, so

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 2>they pull the cards. Natally pulls the Black King card. Yeah,

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Shana pulls the Queen of Hearts. Shawna's response is extremely Shorna.

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>She's like, We're not really doing this now I'm the victim?

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Are we? Oh? You're so silly, like, how could we

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>ever do this? Rare? But every single one of those girls,

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>not just Lotti, they just those women, they just put

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>the masks on and they're just gonna kill her.

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>They're ready.

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Explain that to me. Is it like a trigger from

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the past. Have they been waiting for it? Shawna played

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 2>the wrong card and didn't realize how like fragile they

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 2>all were.

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that they had just been so kind

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>of primed to be back in that mind state that

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>they were just flat out ready to do it. Yeah,

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and clearly very very eager to do it to get

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>back in the hunt. This is why I feel like

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of putting the cart before the horse with

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the death and Natalie. You want to see those hunts.

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>You want to see them doing this stuff that would

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>lead them to then become these people where thirty years

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>after the fact, just after some light suggestion.

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>They can still click back.

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can just go right back into murder mode

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:31.319
<v Speaker 1>after you know, some random drawings of cards. Yeah, what

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:32.280
<v Speaker 1>do you think happened?

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I think you're right, that was the bit. I just

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>went with the vibe hilarious, like slapstick out there horror

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 2>logic of the whole thing. That was the first bit

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 2>that kind of made me sort of go oh, I

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 2>do believe that tie in her current state will still

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:49.919
<v Speaker 2>be we'd saying it all season. T I get some help.

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I check on your family. There's another issue you have

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>with this is what's going on with your family? Babe?

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.399
<v Speaker 2>Just give your son a call? Please? How is your wife? Yeah?

0:34:58.400 --> 0:34:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Please?

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I would like to know how's the dog?

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask? When do you do state senator stuff?

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you worry when?

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Never?

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 1>When? Like? What is going on at the New Jersey

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 1>State House? And has government ground to a halt? Because

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you were literally never fucking there.

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Never one day since you were elected.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>The freshman senator who has just been elected to office,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and you have been there a grand total of zero points,

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>zero zero.

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Hours, zero percentile attendance. What is going on, Taista? Please

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 2>get some help? Oh?

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 1>Do work?

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 2>So? Like I believe she could be into it, Natalie,

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe because like Loti was into it. Again,

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I like your reading where I think it's more about

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 2>like that in that setting, they've got the mosques, they're

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:51.840
<v Speaker 2>just primed to be there, and none of them are

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 2>ever really that far away from breaking, and I believe

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Seanna actually her response. I think her response in the

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Woods in the past, in the nineties would have been

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 2>exactly the same. Oh, we're not really doing this. This

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 2>is really dumb. I can't believe you guys are thinking

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 2>of doing that.

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh you guys, Yeah.

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I think she would have done that. So I think

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>in that way it plays. So Callie ends up interrupting,

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and it's really great. There's this really great, weird moment

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 2>where Lottie says, is that your daughter? She's so powerful?

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 2>What is that? Is she the next and the Queen?

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I liked it, Like Simone Kessel

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>sold it. It felt very ominous and important. And then

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>eventually Lisa shows up and Lisa is like, you can't

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>kill Lotti. She's helping me. Natalie what's going on and

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of causes the commotion. Doesn't want to listen, wants

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to protect Lotti, and of course, the ever industrious Misty

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.319
<v Speaker 2>has another Fenno barbetal need or just ready.

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me hold on, let me get in my backpack.

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I've got it ready to go.

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 2>She's got it strapped to her arm. Who knows, Like

0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 2>She's like, this is the correct amount and she pulls

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:03.320
<v Speaker 2>it out. But as they've kind of been seeding throughout

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>the season, Natalie and Lisa have become quite close, and

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Natalie sees Lisa as kind of a younger version of

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>herself and someone that she can I guess imagine a

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 2>future for m HM. And so Natalie sacrifices herself and

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Misty stabs Natalie with the needle. I don't know how

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 2>much I believe that people would just believe that was

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 2>a drug overdose randomly and the shoulder, you know, but

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 2>they do works for everyone. And Misty kills her bff,

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 2>which is very shocking.

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 1>That was harrowing. And first of all, Natalie missed her

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>calling as like a secret service agent because.

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 2>She the timing.

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 1>The timing was unbelievable. She got she saw what was

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>happening and got in there. I don't necessarily know that,

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>like Feno barbaratalling someone to death is the way to

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>go in that situation, you know, but Misty has her

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 1>own way of doing things. I was just like saddened.

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I need to I wanted to spend more time Natalie,

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>though clearly we will be spending a lot of time

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>with past Natalie young in the future times. But this

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 1>is one of those things where we just closed a

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 1>loop that people are just gonna like be like, Okay,

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 1>she's dead, and what's this stab wound puncture wound in

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>her shoulder? That's nothing, I know.

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 2>They were like she it was a drug overdose, which

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.800
<v Speaker 2>I also thought was actually I'm sure this was intentional

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 2>by the show, but that was like really gutting to

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 2>me because like Natalie had just spent all this time

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 2>getting clean.

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, besmirts her reputation one last time on the way out,

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>just be like hey.

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then be like, oh, she was an addict.

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>She just died of addiction, like anyone who know her,

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 2>that's just what happened. Like that was really fucked up.

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.719
<v Speaker 2>I agree, And that kind of I think shows that

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>there's not really any solidarity with these women at all.

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't love that because I kind of think one

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 2>of the things that people enjoyed so much about the

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 2>first season was the reality and I think you get

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>that in the past of the kind of intricacies and violence,

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.399
<v Speaker 2>but also kindness of these like teen girl friendships. Yeah,

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and that's really fallen apart for all of them at

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 2>this point. I mean. The present episode ends with you know,

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Misty goes to Walter for comfort and Walter tells her, hey,

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>don't worry like I set her up. Your friends are chill,

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong here. We're just cool.

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I did that for you because that's just how it is.

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>So those two are a little pair. You have Jeff

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>and Seana finding out that they're going to be safe

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 2>allegedly apparently, and then Lottie after tyan Van decide not

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 2>to call the mental health professionals to help her before

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>the sacrifice because they're like, we don't do that, you know,

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>we just we do this. We look after ourselves. Which

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I half appreciate it if you guys were

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>in a better estate to look after her, but you're not.

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 2>And then this happens. Letty just get sectioned. She's going

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.360
<v Speaker 2>back to the mental institute. They're taking her to the hospital,

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and the two girls are like, peace out. They don't

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>even go with her. I was like, guys, come on,

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 2>you put Lotty in this situation once again, can you

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.320
<v Speaker 2>please like go with her and support her. But Lotty

0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 2>has this say at the end, which I think will

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 2>end up becoming likely a huge talking point and could

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 2>either inform the next season or definitely inform the bonus episode,

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 2>which we'll kind of talk about in a minute. Lotty says,

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.399
<v Speaker 2>like the wilderness is happy with us. She's like, you'll

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>see that. I can feel it. And obviously we know

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Lotty is suffering from a severe psychotic break at this point,

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 2>she hasn't been on her med, she's been having visions.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 2>But I think the way that this show plays with

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.919
<v Speaker 2>our expectations, even though I feel like the finale here

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 2>really cements our theory about it being only trauma based.

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.439
<v Speaker 2>I think that by season three. Opening of season three,

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Tie's wife will wake up, Van's cancer will start going

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 2>into remission even though it wasn't supposed to, and those

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>questions will start popping up again of what do these

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>sacrifices do.

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to jump back to one thing, which is

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I understand that the show wanted us to feel that

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Natalie was growing close to Lisa. We've had that, you know,

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 1>that moment where we get to meet Lisa's family and

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.399
<v Speaker 1>see how eminently shitty they are on the trip backs

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>or her hometown. That was enough to be like, I'm

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna take the needle for Lisa, Like I'm not saying

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 1>kill Lisa knock.

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 2>They need a lot of Missy's hands punch Misty and

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the family.

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean we had like one nice lunch and hung

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>out like at your childhood home. I don't know if

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like leaping in front of the syringe for you, Natalie,

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>just why not say look out? What about that? Look out?

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So that's good super Bridges saw did make a

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 2>good point. He was saying, like it could be intrinsically

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 2>connected to what she didn't do for Harvard.

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like she didn't save him, she didn't

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.839
<v Speaker 2>save the innocent, she didn't make that choice. And also

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 2>we know that when they found Natalie Campgreen Pine found Natalie,

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 2>she was gonna commit suicide. So she already has those

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of tendencies. But I would have just loved to

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>see a story where somebody who struggled with addiction, with

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>mental health problems that didn't die. I was really rooting

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>for Natalie basically to.

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Bring it to a more serious level. Right. I think

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>where I've come with this show and this story is

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>that again it is and I think we agree this

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 1>is basically the story of several young women who had

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>a shared massed illusion, and this was in large part

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 1>inspired by the fact that one of them had an

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>active mental health issue which she was running rampant and unmdicated,

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>and this really because of this person's innate charismaticness, kind

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 1>of led to a lot of their very murderous and

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 1>cannibalistic decisions. And it just feels like, you know, there's

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people with mental illness who don't eat people,

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and if that is indeed where we're going, and I

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 1>guess there's still a lot of leeway on either side

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of that issue. I hope that it's not just they

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 1>were crazy and then they committed a lot of murders

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 1>and eat people because there were nuts.

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I like that you brought that out, because I do

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 2>trust this showy. I really have enjoyed this show. I

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 2>feel like it's so interesting and weird, and even when

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>it's doing the why all this things, like in this finale,

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 2>you're still entertained and you're still thinking, like why would

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 2>they do that? Like you're still having those conversations. But

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the loty stuff, I feel like it's tough because I

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>don't want to prejudge it but I would like to

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:18.280
<v Speaker 2>see a more nuanced representation of a struggle with mental

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 2>illness and a bit more of a holistic view of

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Lotty as a person, because, like you said, a lot

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.720
<v Speaker 2>of us struggle with mental illness. We don't eat people,

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of us don't crash into the woods.

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>That's true, just saying, just saying, but.

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people. I think that you raise a

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>very good point, and I hope the mental health issue

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.720
<v Speaker 2>isn't essentially like a mcguffin or like a do x Marketer.

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Also speaking of do x Marketer, before we get onto

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>the final bonus episode story, what do you think is

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen with Misty and Walter? Are they going to

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 2>go on like a road trip together?

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 1>They are the same person. You could argue that they

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>are too much the same person.

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think we're seeing Yeah, but that.

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Relationship will continue if for any other reason, then Walter

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>is not gonna let it go, Like this is not

0:43:58.600 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 1>the end of this.

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 2>He did this for her, did this for her.

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 1>And he is going to remain in her life. He's

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>not gonna let it go.

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 2>That's a great point actually, and quite a good creepy read.

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.399
<v Speaker 2>I saw one of the theories that my friend James

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 2>was talking about I thought was really good was Walter's

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 2>end game is he is a cannibal and the ultimate

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>thing if you are a cannibal is to eat another cannibal. Wow.

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I like that. That's good, right, I love that.

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.399
<v Speaker 2>I think that is like really cool. And it also

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 2>plays in a sin city. You know, the Robert Rodriguez

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 2>adaptation of the Frank Miller. He played a cannibaal, so

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:37.720
<v Speaker 2>I kind of like that, and it was this huge

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 2>deal of like this cute young guy who played a

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>hobbit was playing this cannibal killer. So I kind of

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:46.799
<v Speaker 2>like that echo and that potential idea that Walter has

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 2>this kind of weirder ongoing endgame, which is that he

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>just wants to eat Misty because she's also a cannibal.

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:53.200
<v Speaker 1>I really really like that.

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we should just say is. We don't really

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 2>know what it's gonna be, how it's going to look,

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 2>or when it's going to come out, But there was

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 2>confirmation from the showrunners of Yellowjackets that we will be

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:09.320
<v Speaker 2>getting a bonus episode Wild that is essentially going to

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 2>be kind of in between season two and season three.

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.799
<v Speaker 2>A lot of rumors and internet speculation had been going

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<v Speaker 2>on that a bonus episode exists or did they were

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 2>going to drop a bonus episode. We don't know when

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.759
<v Speaker 2>it's coming out. Doesn't look like it's too soon, but

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<v Speaker 2>from what we're hearing as well, maybe not directly connected

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 2>to the two stories we've seen, kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>law episode. Is there anything in your mind that if

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<v Speaker 2>they did, like a bottle episode, that you would feel

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<v Speaker 2>like could really bring season two together or make you

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 2>even more excited for season three.

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<v Speaker 1>I think more woods stuff, more context.

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or the wilderness is the is the stuffy is.

0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:48.720
<v Speaker 1>That's where the real that's the story engine is. Whatever

0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 1>happened there, it's affecting that their later lives and all

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the drama that we get, you know at Camp green Pine,

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>at the you know, with the murder of Adam, with ties,

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>ongoing struggle with hallucinations, all of that stuff stems from

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 1>everything that happened in the woods. So I hope that

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:11.240
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is is forest centric, you know, more murders

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 1>that they've committed there and another hunt, whatever the case

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:16.919
<v Speaker 1>may be. But I think it has to be there.

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>We have to. Yeah, it feels strange to not know

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>more about what happened there, because it just feels like

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>it all informs this the other present day storyline, and

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.280
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to judge what these characters do without knowing

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 1>what really went on there. We know there's a few

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 1>murders and certainly multiple bodies eaten at this point, but

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 1>what else.

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we need to know. I totally agree with you.

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the democracy, the kind of burgeoning democracy of

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.439
<v Speaker 2>the Antler Queen and kind of the lore of that.

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>We also get an interesting moment where Natalie ends up

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 2>on the plane again just before she passes over, and

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>she sees Hobvey and she sees young Natalie, and I

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.280
<v Speaker 2>wonder if there's something there about this kind of almost

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>how Lost would do a lot of these side jumps

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>that were kind of people all meeting up again in

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Heaven spoiler alert for Lost. But I wonder if there's

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>something about that limbo space of the plane, and maybe

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 2>that's somewhere where they can explore different parts of people's

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 2>lives in a way that has to feel less concrete

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:20.279
<v Speaker 2>in either timeline. But yeah, I'm very interested in it.

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:21.360
<v Speaker 1>We'll see, we will see.

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Who knows when he is going to come out up

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:33.919
<v Speaker 2>next nerd Out. In today's nerd Out, where you tell

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>us what you love and why, or a theory that

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 2>you're excited to share, Lee shares a mustache theory on

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 2>mof Gideon. Now this is actually I think it's right.

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:45.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna say, I'm just putting out there first. Okay,

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 2>we'll even get in. I think this is right.

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Lee first of all, presages his theory by saying that

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:55.319
<v Speaker 1>it's not entirely his theory. He's seen stuff to this

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>effect online. But the gist of the theory is this quote.

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Maf Gideon's lack of a mustache this season from the

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Man learn was actually due to the fact that we

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>were watching a clone the entire time. Instead of the

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 1>mustache moph Gideon we see in seasons one and two,

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 1>we actually see d mustache Gideon, who mirrors the clones

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 1>in the tanks that Mando destroys. Thus, the real Moth

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 1>is off somewhere kicking up his imperial boots and eating

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 1>travel biscuits. Far more basic theory here is at least

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:26.439
<v Speaker 1>more basic theory. Quote one, the dude was fully covered

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>in best guar armour, And who are we to say

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<v Speaker 1>that he could not have survived that epic explosion. And two,

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 1>there is no body. We never see a body. And

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll do it in the voice here, I'm asking Mike,

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 1>where's the body, because if we don't see a body, man,

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, we all know it's no body. He

0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 1>might not be I probably in the debt. So Mike,

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.320
<v Speaker 1>what do you think nobody? I'll take my indself. Yeah,

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I will say I like this theory for the simple

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>fact that, like not having a mustache, changing bits of costume,

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:59.799
<v Speaker 1>those aren't accidental things. Those are very purposeful decisions. And

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.440
<v Speaker 1>whether it's a clone or not, I don't know, but

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:07.360
<v Speaker 1>it's clear that they want us to think that maybe

0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:08.359
<v Speaker 1>that's not the same guy.

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:10.439
<v Speaker 2>I think that you are right, and I think that

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Lee makes a great point in hand, not only by

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:14.480
<v Speaker 2>sharing this theory. I appreciate you crediting that someone else

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 2>came up with that. That's very nice of you. And

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that the mustache theory holds up because look,

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 2>if it had just been that the brilliant actor who

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.880
<v Speaker 2>plays Moff Gideon no longer had a mustache, right, they

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 2>could have used a fake mustache, or as we saw

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 2>in they claim movie Justice League. They could have seen

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 2>ged a mustache on, they could have taken it off.

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's many different ways to add a mustache.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it could be the case that Joan Carlos Posito

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:45.359
<v Speaker 1>was only on set for three days and right after

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 1>that he had to go do another thing where he

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 1>had a clean shaven face or what have you. I'll

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>say two things. One, it's not a tremendously bushy musset

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 1>like it looks like max five days growth. Like, I

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 1>think there's a he could have done it, you could

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:01.920
<v Speaker 1>do it.

0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.400
<v Speaker 2>So I love this theory. I think Jason's right. All

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>of these things are intentional. Even if this was a

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 2>simple red herring, it's a very fun red herring. But

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I think the reason that Lee really sells me on

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 2>this is not only is it a great theory, and

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 2>you have the addition of, oh, you know, there's a

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.720
<v Speaker 2>clone that didn't have a mustache, so maybe those clones

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>also you could have that fun kind of almost prestige

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:25.919
<v Speaker 2>kind of clone law where the clone doesn't know they're

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a clone. That's like a really interesting aspect because he

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.640
<v Speaker 2>talks a lot about all of his failed clones, thinking

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:33.919
<v Speaker 2>maybe he really is the real Moth. But Lee really

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>sells me on this with the fact there's nobody we

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.399
<v Speaker 2>know the rules. If there's nobody, we don't know you're dead.

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars rules, horror rules, fantasy rules, every that's every franchise,

0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:46.280
<v Speaker 2>that is the rule. If we never see the body,

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 2>we don't know you're dead. So that I think this

0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 2>is so fun and I would love to see mustachioed

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Gideon come back.

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<v Speaker 1>I completely agree with you. Think about you know what

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>they did with Natalie and Yellowjackets. They showed us her

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:05.560
<v Speaker 1>open eye, dead stairface for five seconds to say she

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.840
<v Speaker 1>is deadded dad to see that they're alive. Period.

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's me and I'm I'm still a Stew Lives guy.

0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I saw that TV four long Stew's head and screen,

0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 2>but I never saw his body. Maybe maybe's face just

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:21.799
<v Speaker 2>fucked up. It can happen. Thanks Lee. If you have

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 2>theories or passions you want to share, hit us up

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 2>at x ray at cricket dot com. Instructions in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Notes, that's it for us. Rosie any plugs, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I have cool things to plug so you can find

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<v Speaker 2>you are in the La area and not the South Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I usually promote things in the South Bay,

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<v Speaker 2>but on June tenth, Saturday, June tenth, me and Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Marino will be doing a signing at Tifa, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the comic book shop on Universal City Walk. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the Valley and you want to come, stay

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<v Speaker 2>hi to us. It's a really cool shop owned by

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Horse Comics, and we'll be there signing a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're in SGV, like San Gabriel Valley area, Me, Nick,

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<v Speaker 2>Spider Verse inspired art show at the really great comic shop,

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<v Speaker 2>Nostalgic Comics. And I made a Hobie Brown fan art

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<v Speaker 1>Catch the next episode on Friday, June ninth for a mailbag,

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