Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast spoilers for the season two finale of
Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets and some spoilers for the finale of season
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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night and
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Speaker 2: In this episode, in the air Lock, You've wanted it,
Speaker 2: so we're doing it. We are doing the Yellow Jacket
Speaker 2: season two finale. We're gonna break down all the wildest
Speaker 2: things that happened, and there were a lot of them.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of them.
Speaker 1: It's bananas, folks, It's insane.
Speaker 2: In nerd out Lee offers the Moff Gideon theory from
Speaker 2: the recent finale of The Mandalorian.
Speaker 1: Coming up the Yellow Jackets season two finale.
Speaker 2: We're stepping out of the airlock and into the frosty
Speaker 2: wilderness of the Yellow Jackets season two episode nine, which
Speaker 2: is also the season finale episode nine Storytelling, directed by
Speaker 2: Karen Cassama, She Came Back Icon, I Love Karen Kasama,
Speaker 2: Jennifer's Body, The Invitation. She also directed the pilot and
Speaker 2: it was written by Amini Rosa. Now, the finale of
Speaker 2: Yellow Jacket season two finds the survivors in the present
Speaker 2: planning a new sacrifice and the survivors in the past
Speaker 2: dealing with the fallout of how these death flash murder,
Speaker 2: and over the course of the episode, a ton of
Speaker 2: very wild stuff happens. So we're just gonna break it
Speaker 2: down piece by wild peace. Jason, First of all, how
Speaker 2: did the finale work for you?
Speaker 1: It was very insane. I thought you could have combined
Speaker 1: season one and two and made one really crazy season
Speaker 1: of television. The Adam death murder storyline just took up
Speaker 1: way too much meat space in this season, and ultimately
Speaker 1: I feel like we didn't need it because we've ended
Speaker 1: up in a place and we get there in the
Speaker 1: most insane way where basically that chapter is closed.
Speaker 2: It's the walking Dead issue. We did a lot of
Speaker 2: extreme stuff to get to a place where it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: We ended up essentially where we kind of began at
Speaker 2: the beginning of season two, which is nobody knows and
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. So I agree with you. I think
Speaker 2: RP to Adam alpt it loved Adam seemed like a
Speaker 2: really cute guy, like sorry he got chopped up. And
Speaker 2: I love the domestic drama between Jeff and Seana.
Speaker 1: Jeff is going through it man.
Speaker 2: And Callie's been a fun addition. But I agree absolutely.
Speaker 2: I would say like ridiculous, like the finale was totally wild.
Speaker 2: Like ridiculous to me is not a negative thing. Now
Speaker 2: it's complimentary, but a lot of wild stuff happens. I
Speaker 2: would agree. I think that Adam Martin murder, in hindsight,
Speaker 2: that plotline like took up too much time.
Speaker 1: We could have sown that whole thing up in like
Speaker 1: three episodes.
Speaker 2: I also think, look, people get murdered all the time,
Speaker 2: and you know what, it doesn't always get solved.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like that could have been a back burner.
Speaker 2: Plot line where we could have focused a little bit
Speaker 2: more time on the survivors.
Speaker 1: I think, in small town New Jersey, you got to
Speaker 1: solve this random murder of this kind of working artist.
Speaker 1: And I think Kevin was like, this is my path
Speaker 1: to promotion, this is my path to success. It involves
Speaker 1: people that I kind of know and have a relationship
Speaker 1: with already. I got to solve this fucking crime. In fact,
Speaker 1: I have to solve it so badly that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get one of my colleagues to seduce a teenager and
Speaker 1: that's how I'm gonna do it. Like, that's how much
Speaker 1: he wanted to solve this murder.
Speaker 2: That was absolutely illegal. I'm just saying, Look, I know
Speaker 2: that maybe there are not many people around to hold
Speaker 2: the police accountable if they're doing illegal things, But I
Speaker 2: feel like Kevin was much too casual on So I
Speaker 2: agree with you. Him and m Sarahkuza were a nightmare
Speaker 2: team who saw, you know, Adam Martin's death so that
Speaker 2: they could you know, climb up the ladder of policing. Well,
Speaker 2: let's see how that worked out for them in this
Speaker 2: finale episode.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So in the nineties we begin. It's the fallout
Speaker 2: of Harvey's death. Everyone's upset, nobody wants to be eating
Speaker 2: Harvey's body, but they're all gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 1: They have to do it.
Speaker 2: That's how it is. In the Wilderness, Baby, the wilderness
Speaker 2: chose and the first wild moment we have to talk about.
Speaker 2: So Shanna goes out, she chops up Harvey's body like
Speaker 2: she's been studying at butchery school. She is bringing that in.
Speaker 2: It looks delectable. How did she learn this?
Speaker 1: Also, that is like hard fucking work. At one point
Speaker 1: and this made me laugh at loud. You see Harvey's
Speaker 1: heart which has been extracted from his chest cavity, whoa,
Speaker 1: and it looks pristine and perfect and maybe a little big.
Speaker 1: Like I think the upside for Harvey's tragic death and
Speaker 1: cannibalistic ritual development of his flesh is that when you
Speaker 1: see that heart, I'm thinking maybe Hovey had some kind
Speaker 1: of heart disease undiagnosed.
Speaker 2: Maybe there was an enlarged talk going on. And this
Speaker 2: is a messy, yeah, at.
Speaker 1: That age to have an in large heart poof, and
Speaker 1: I think maybe, just maybe this was the better way
Speaker 1: for Hobby to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just freezing in an ice pond. Does all
Speaker 2: your friends watch, you know, and then gang eating?
Speaker 1: Yeah, drifting off to sleep, you know as you kind
Speaker 1: of sink to the bottom of the lake. It'd be
Speaker 1: better than dropping dead, like in the middle of eating
Speaker 1: doritos or something, because if you're undiagnosed and enlarged heart,
Speaker 1: his het was so big. It was huge, you know,
Speaker 1: like when they crack open your chest cavity when they're
Speaker 1: doing open heartsherty that takes like they need a sauce,
Speaker 1: bolt cutters and fucking saws and shit and like huge
Speaker 1: jacks and clamps and stuff. How did she do it?
Speaker 2: One is showing a supernatural Oh no, that's market moves,
Speaker 2: But like I want to know that also, So how
Speaker 2: did Seanna get so good at chopping up a body?
Speaker 2: Because I saw she's only done it to a couple
Speaker 2: of things in the woods, So what's going on there?
Speaker 1: I think she just has a passion for it. She
Speaker 1: has a real, real passion for dissecting human bodies.
Speaker 2: As we saw, she was very good at it. We
Speaker 2: saw the horrible images of Adam Martin's body. She's kept
Speaker 2: up with that talent. So the first kind of like
Speaker 2: WTF moment, Travis shows his subservience to the new regime
Speaker 2: and that his acceptance of the fact Havi's died after
Speaker 2: like being outside for a couple of hours crying. He
Speaker 2: just yams the heart, He just yams it all down.
Speaker 2: He just takes a big bite out of it. Am
Speaker 2: seems unhealthy. Are you gonna get sick? I don't think
Speaker 2: you can just eat a raw human heart.
Speaker 1: Well it was cooked right, it was.
Speaker 2: He ate a bite of it raw before they cooked it.
Speaker 1: Goddamn, that is just so savage. I couldn't believe that
Speaker 1: he was just holding his brother's heart like that.
Speaker 2: Like what he is, this associate and he's on a
Speaker 2: coach ben path. There's no way you can survive.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna eat people like I have to. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the plane is crash, We're in the woods,
Speaker 1: and we gotta do it. Some people have died, maybe
Speaker 1: not my brother, but like, we got to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm starting with the bits that look like meat that
Speaker 1: you would get any other place. Give me some chunks,
Speaker 1: like some kind of filet of butt or thigh. I'm
Speaker 1: not starting with an organ, and I'm certainly not starting
Speaker 1: with a recognizable organ like the heart exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm saying as well, Shanna, she butchered those into like
Speaker 2: nicely steaks. Yeah, she phileied Harvey and made him look edible.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was wild. They cooked him up, they
Speaker 2: ate him. One of the big reveals from the finale
Speaker 2: is like Lotti is not really happy about Harvey's death.
Speaker 2: She feels like Misty took her words out of context.
Speaker 2: She was saying, if I die because Shanna beat the
Speaker 2: shower of me, you guys can eat me. But She's like, Misty,
Speaker 2: I didn't tell you to go and kill a child.
Speaker 2: And Misty's like, shut the fuck up and go downstairs
Speaker 2: and eat that child. So Loi makes a choice that
Speaker 2: she is gonna anoint the next leader of the group, which,
Speaker 2: if you remember season one, we were all calling how
Speaker 2: the Antler Queen is that hooded figure that you see
Speaker 2: with the with the Antlers, And in a very shocking twist,
Speaker 2: she chooses Natalie.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, Lottie, I don't know which way
Speaker 1: she's coming or going any given time. I thought she
Speaker 1: would love this. Here we are, we got it, We
Speaker 1: got it a life. Someone has died. The wilderness unambiguously
Speaker 1: chose Hovey after keeping him alive. You could argue, I think,
Speaker 1: and someone should have. Not only did the wilderness choose him,
Speaker 1: the wilderness kept him alive for all these weeks and months,
Speaker 1: specifically to choose him at this particular time, to die
Speaker 1: for us so.
Speaker 2: We could eat him.
Speaker 1: Why are you losing your nerve about this, Lottie?
Speaker 3: Jesus like I have been here for months convincing myself
Speaker 3: I have to eat a m and now I'm into
Speaker 3: it and the human smells delicious.
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm not into it, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And now you changing your mind.
Speaker 2: I propose this Lottie did just get like severe head
Speaker 2: trauma from Shana. So maybe she's been like kicked out
Speaker 2: of whatever kind of delusional state she was in, and
Speaker 2: she's had a little bit of you know, a little
Speaker 2: bit of brain injury, trag brain injury. I've had them
Speaker 2: in my life. They can change how you feel. And
Speaker 2: maybe that like she was feeling a little bit guilty,
Speaker 2: she was feeling a little bit bad. You know, her
Speaker 2: face is looking very healed.
Speaker 1: She's also in some form of fashion neurodivergent and not
Speaker 1: taking her medicine. Yes, all of this time, plus the
Speaker 1: head injury, which I've been concussed as well, and it
Speaker 1: does make you certainly irritable and feel different. And so
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that that is part of it. I think
Speaker 1: that's a good call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm very interested in it. I feel like,
Speaker 2: whenever season three comes out, I hope we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about this with Natalie too. But I
Speaker 2: hope we get to know a bit more about Lottie
Speaker 2: because the rest of the girls, I feel like there
Speaker 2: is a certain amount of inner personal connection or backstory
Speaker 2: that you get. But with Latti, we don't really know
Speaker 2: much outside of her struggles with her mental health. Her
Speaker 2: family sucks and they're rich, but we don't really know
Speaker 2: who she had a crush on, or whether she even
Speaker 2: feels that way about people, or what her kind of
Speaker 2: day to day life was like that made her a teenager.
Speaker 2: She's kind of more of this supernatural, kind of morally
Speaker 2: gray entity, and I would like to know more about
Speaker 2: her as a person.
Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way. I think that this
Speaker 1: is an issue for all of our cast I found
Speaker 1: myself thinking not to jump ahead, but after we lose
Speaker 1: Natalie in the present, I was like, man, we don't
Speaker 1: know anything about Natalie. We know that she's struggled with
Speaker 1: addiction issues and that she also had a really fucked
Speaker 1: up family life, and we know you know that she
Speaker 1: fucked in the cabin somewhere, but other than that, we
Speaker 1: don't know much. And I was really sad when we
Speaker 1: lose her, because I'm like, man, I feel like I
Speaker 1: was just getting to know her, I don't know enough
Speaker 1: about her.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I think you could say all of them are that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this has just sparked something in my head that
Speaker 2: I was thinking a lot about something. The first season
Speaker 2: did so well that I think made us feel like
Speaker 2: we were getting to know them. It had flashbacks allah Lost, right,
Speaker 2: not whole episodes like Lost, but like that's how we
Speaker 2: know about Natalie's dad and how he accidentally killed himself.
Speaker 2: We didn't really get any of that. We didn't get
Speaker 2: anything about the pre crash life apart from Coach Ben,
Speaker 2: and some of that was kind of it was unclear
Speaker 2: whether that was imagined or real memories. I think that
Speaker 2: a little bit more of the time could have been
Speaker 2: diverted to those aspects and learning more about the girls
Speaker 2: and their lives than you know, wondering about what happened
Speaker 2: to Adam. Mind, we know dramatic irony, baby, we know
Speaker 2: he's dead, So like, I would have liked to see that,
Speaker 2: because I think you're right, and I think that a
Speaker 2: lot of you and Natalie, for me, feel like the
Speaker 2: characters I would have liked to know more about the
Speaker 2: most out of the kind of hierarchy. But yeah, Natalie
Speaker 2: gets chosen to be the aunt La Queen. Now, I
Speaker 2: will say the wonderful Sophie Thatcher, who plays Natalie, who
Speaker 2: I think is so brilliant. She did confirm in a
Speaker 2: Hollywood Reporter article she is the aunt La Queen. Now,
Speaker 2: I do not believe that this is our final ant
Speaker 2: La Queen. Lottie anoints her and says you're the leader,
Speaker 2: and all the girls kind of go up and vow
Speaker 2: themselves to her with kind of bows, and it's quite
Speaker 2: sincere at the beginning, and then Aquila does a little
Speaker 2: kind of funny curtsy and it becomes a little bit
Speaker 2: more fun. But you can see Natalie as kind of
Speaker 2: getting drunk on being worshiped and being put on a
Speaker 2: pedestal for the first time in her life because she's
Speaker 2: always kind of been an outsider. So I'm very interested
Speaker 2: in this because I feel like Natalie was the most
Speaker 2: logical faction in the nineties Survivors, and I feel like
Speaker 2: killing her having to choose Harvey over herself was like
Speaker 2: very heartbreaking, and she felt like she actually cared about it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how far she's gonna go into
Speaker 2: the life of the cannibal is.
Speaker 1: Here's the upside for me with this. I think from
Speaker 1: this we can kind of into it that there will
Speaker 1: be other Antler queens.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Here's the good news. This kind of patchwork society that
Speaker 1: is created itself in the woods has figured out one
Speaker 1: of the most complex problems in governance, which is how
Speaker 1: do you pass power. They've figured it out. They've made
Speaker 1: the Antler queen some sort of title that can be
Speaker 1: passed from person to person with very little murdering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one person gets murdered, a just one every time. Not
Speaker 1: that bad if you look at it societally.
Speaker 2: Not that bad for just one mud It to happen
Speaker 2: with the passing of power, if you look at history.
Speaker 1: Usually at least five mudas and then wars and all
Speaker 1: that stuff later. They've figured it out where you just
Speaker 1: you kill and eat one person and then you pass
Speaker 1: the title and that's it.
Speaker 2: If you guys, remember the original version of the sacrifice
Speaker 2: we saw lost episode was you know, Natalie Bolt, the
Speaker 2: Queen of Hawk's Cod and that was the card that
Speaker 2: they would choose to sacrifice someone. But obviously now Natalie
Speaker 2: has become the ant La Queen, so that takes on
Speaker 2: a different kind of meaning, especially when if you remember,
Speaker 2: Harvey pulled a King card. I believe it was a
Speaker 2: black King card. I can't remember exactly which one, but
Speaker 2: before Natalie dies in the present, that is the card
Speaker 2: she pulls. So I think that we can assume that
Speaker 2: from now the Queen of Hearts card is more going
Speaker 2: to be about the ant la queen and who is
Speaker 2: in charge of those decisions, and the King cards will
Speaker 2: be the ones where we see the people become sacrifices. Also,
Speaker 2: I do wonder if Natalie's route of being Aunt la
Speaker 2: Queen is going to be let's jerky, Harvey, Let's put
Speaker 2: some of that meat away. Let's just try and survive
Speaker 2: without doing any of that, and then when they run
Speaker 2: out of meat, she'll be overthrown or she'll pass the
Speaker 2: power to someone else.
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Speaker 1: And we're back. This whole sequence really made me feel
Speaker 1: pretty strongly about our theory that there is no supernatural
Speaker 1: shit going on right. This is just a kind of
Speaker 1: shared delusion brought on by starvation, by underlying mental illness
Speaker 1: with no medications, by being trapped in this trauma trauma
Speaker 1: by being trapped in this very extreme environment all together
Speaker 1: and being dosed regularly with hallucinogenic drugs. So I think
Speaker 1: that this is just like a kind of mass illusion
Speaker 1: that said, do they remember.
Speaker 2: This, this is the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: Do they remember that event?
Speaker 2: I think that they remember from what we see in
Speaker 2: the present, they remember that at times they sacrificed people
Speaker 2: to appease the wilderness. But we get a really interesting
Speaker 2: line that comes up in the present, which we'll get
Speaker 2: to in a minute, but where Lotti adult Lotti says,
Speaker 2: there's no it, It's just us, right, it was always
Speaker 2: just us. Or Shana says that, and then Lotti says,
Speaker 2: does it matter? What's the difference? And that is the same.
Speaker 2: So this episode argues I think that the wilderness and
Speaker 2: appeasing the wilderness was essentially a story that they told, right,
Speaker 2: so that they didn't feel guilty about eating people.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I love that you brought up the idea of this
Speaker 2: shared delusion because I think something they do really well.
Speaker 2: When they shoot Sophie Thatcher as she's sitting there and
Speaker 2: everyone's kind of bowing to her, there's this almost like
Speaker 2: religious fervor. Yeah, in her eyes that comes over her
Speaker 2: like it feels like they are lost in this struggle
Speaker 2: to survive.
Speaker 1: When Lottie said, what's the difference, I wanted to be like, Babe,
Speaker 1: there's a tremendous difference. It is such an incredibly vast difference.
Speaker 1: The distance from it's us too, it's something other than
Speaker 1: us is so huge because like, y'all are killing and
Speaker 1: eating people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're claiming that you're being forced to do
Speaker 2: it by a malevolent spirit, but I'm actually you. That's
Speaker 2: the difference between culpability and caplicity. That's thought the probably
Speaker 2: even though the statue of limitations is long gone.
Speaker 1: There's a huge difference.
Speaker 2: Loddie, Well, I'm glad we're gonna get to that in
Speaker 2: a minute as well, because I want to talk about
Speaker 2: that whole situation at cam Green Pine because these people
Speaker 2: need to go to therapy, every single one. But okay,
Speaker 2: so finally we're talking about that great shot where Sophie
Speaker 2: Thatcher is there and she's Natalie's like kind of taking
Speaker 2: in all this new passion and the love that her
Speaker 2: followers now have for realizing her power, and through the
Speaker 2: window Coach Ben sees her. Now Coach Ben had already,
Speaker 2: you know, said to Natalie, Hey, I found Harvey's secret
Speaker 2: magical tree where he survived. How about you come with me.
Speaker 2: We can be the cool kids who don't eat people
Speaker 2: and we can just survive there throughout the winter. And
Speaker 2: Nali was like, ah, sorry, I killed Howvey, so can't
Speaker 2: do that. But you go off and do it. So then,
Speaker 2: and this is getting to the end of the episode
Speaker 2: because this one skips between so much. We're going to
Speaker 2: do the past timeline first and then the present timeline.
Speaker 1: It's good that we're skipping because it's just like the show.
Speaker 1: We should, in fact, just continue to skip from timeline
Speaker 1: a timeline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so coach Ben in a shocking moment. We can
Speaker 2: assume it's him, I will say allegedly because we don't
Speaker 2: see him do it. But the girls wake up as
Speaker 2: the episode comes to a close in the nineties and
Speaker 2: the cabin is on fire. Yeah, like it is like
Speaker 2: doused with oil fire, Like this thing is burning in
Speaker 2: the snowy wilderness. And the implication we saw Ben previously
Speaker 2: with a box of matches and some firewoods, so we
Speaker 2: can assume he burned down the cabin.
Speaker 1: I'm putting it right on Ben yeah, I'm putting on him.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say alleged leg Yeah, but I'm putting
Speaker 2: on it was Ben. Sorry, guys, it was Ben. So
Speaker 2: we end the season in the past with them by
Speaker 2: basically being in the true wilderness. Like if they were
Speaker 2: doing wild shit to survive when they had a shelter
Speaker 2: and a cabin, imagine what they're going to get up
Speaker 2: to now they have to live outside in the snow.
Speaker 2: It's not looking good for anyone. Ben. That was really
Speaker 2: dumb move, terrible choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess this is another one of those where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, why do this? I guess because you're
Speaker 1: just sick of everything and here they are, they're about
Speaker 1: to eat another kid, and you've got a place to
Speaker 1: live now. But like, you know, you can stay in
Speaker 1: the stump. I guess, like for you know, like personally,
Speaker 1: you can stay in the stump.
Speaker 2: We've been saying, like we thought maybe it was like
Speaker 2: a you know, a lot in the ye oldie times,
Speaker 2: they would essentially make like store cupboards underground and like
Speaker 2: the roots of trees, and I wonder if he found
Speaker 2: something like that. So he's feeling pretty good about himself
Speaker 2: and his chances to survive. I will say, I do
Speaker 2: wonder I think this is a stupid idea because obviously
Speaker 2: they were all able to get out. He did not
Speaker 2: barricade the door well enough. And now they're going to
Speaker 2: eat you, absolutely no question you'll get any And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now they're gonna find you and they're gonna eat you.
Speaker 2: You told Natalie about the tree, so she's gonna know
Speaker 2: where to look for you. You have created a vengeful
Speaker 2: group of teenage girls who are gonna eat you. But
Speaker 2: I wonder if Ben's self justification for it is something
Speaker 2: along the lines of, like, they're all gonna kill each
Speaker 2: other anyway, So this is boo, like just kill them
Speaker 2: all and that they die in the night and they
Speaker 2: die a horrible, fiery death. But at least that's bad
Speaker 2: than them, you know, going around just like killing each
Speaker 2: other and eating each other for the next six months.
Speaker 1: I guess that was probably the thought. But then you
Speaker 1: got to barricade the door. My guy, you can't let
Speaker 1: them get out.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like you shouldn't been nailing some hammer and
Speaker 2: nails over the windows. You can't let them get out.
Speaker 2: You just created something terrible for yourself.
Speaker 1: Just sneak off and stay in the tree. If there
Speaker 1: are indeed stores somewhere in that tree. We saw that
Speaker 1: Hove was surviving on lots of meat. There's bones of
Speaker 1: things in there. If there is an access in that
Speaker 1: stump to food, then just fucking stay there. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna find Maybe they'll find it, maybe they won't. But like,
Speaker 1: what a move.
Speaker 2: You didn't need to do that.
Speaker 1: Nobody is thinking straight out here in the wilderness. Nobody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, season two, no one's thinking straight Jason conception.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the poster in the past or in
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, let's speak about the present. So in
Speaker 2: the present. If you remember last episode, episode eight, Lottie
Speaker 2: had proposed something incredibly logical, which was, hey, let's drink
Speaker 2: from these cups and one of them spiked with fennabarbital,
Speaker 2: and if you drink that one, you're gonna die. But
Speaker 2: then the wilderness will let us be and our lives
Speaker 2: will be good. Now, first of all, I have a
Speaker 2: problem with this theory. I boy up last week. But
Speaker 2: the truth is that doesn't make any sense because Travis
Speaker 2: already died, so surely your life should be fine. Like,
Speaker 2: how many times do you have to do a sacrifice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you're talking about a lot that was like two
Speaker 2: months ago or something. How many sacrifices you need to do?
Speaker 2: Makes no sense.
Speaker 1: But again, I think this is this is a handful
Speaker 1: of mentally ill people, like arguing about a supernatural shit
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. Like, folks, we've got bodies
Speaker 1: already on the ledger. We don't need to be throwing
Speaker 1: other bodies at it. Let's put Adam in there, Like,
Speaker 1: what about Adam? Throw another one of their looking killed
Speaker 1: by the hand of one of y'all, Thank you did
Speaker 1: and cut.
Speaker 2: Up, I will say Adam. He adds a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, to the theory that this does work, though,
Speaker 2: because after they killed Adam.
Speaker 3: Jeff was selling sofas like hotcakes. Couldn't believe it go
Speaker 3: for Jeff only.
Speaker 2: It was gomah for Jeff only. So this is a classic.
Speaker 2: Like you said, I think this is a bunch of
Speaker 2: menal old people who are really struggling with their decisions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because we end up in a situation here where Shawna
Speaker 2: decides the best way to distract Lotti from her plan
Speaker 2: to kill them all is to be like don't no, no, no.
Speaker 2: If we're gonna do it. We gotta just like sacrifice
Speaker 2: someone and kill them with a knife in the wood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta do it for real, Yeah like we
Speaker 1: used to.
Speaker 2: We don't just want to be drinking this nice And
Speaker 2: I'm like, Babe, Shanna, why are you always doing this
Speaker 2: every time? Every single time? Also acgally, sorry, I just
Speaker 2: need to skip back because I did forget this one
Speaker 2: of the best moments of this finale that I love
Speaker 2: so much that is either absolutely irrelevant and just a
Speaker 2: hilarious character moment or incredibly important and we'll shape the
Speaker 2: next season. After Lotty chooses Natalie to be the Antler Queen,
Speaker 2: we get a clip of Shannah and she's writing in
Speaker 2: her diary and she's like, why wasn't it me? Why
Speaker 2: wasn't I chosen to be the leader? After everything I
Speaker 2: have done, I have been chopping up everyone, And I
Speaker 2: was like, Wow, sure not. You are petty and I love.
Speaker 1: You, dear diary. Do my friends hate me? Question mark.
Speaker 1: I know that we started off on the wrong foot
Speaker 1: with me fucking my friend's boyfriend, but she's dead now
Speaker 1: we hate her and we've kind of patched things up
Speaker 1: in the afterlife, Like I had a long running multi
Speaker 1: weak delusion where I was talking to her and then
Speaker 1: I aron, we're good now, but now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I chop up Hovey, and all of a sudden nobody
Speaker 1: wants to choose me for Allan Queen. What the fuck?
Speaker 2: What the fuck? That was like so good? So Sean
Speaker 2: is really channeling that energy here with this terrible choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that sets off a whole series of events and
Speaker 2: they're like, well, we'll do that to distract Lottie. But
Speaker 2: what do they do in the meantime, Nothing, pure chaos.
Speaker 2: Jeff shows up to Camp green Pine with CALLI terrible parenting, Jeff,
Speaker 2: don't do it. Shouldn't have done that. Love you, Jeff,
Speaker 2: love you deeply. I'm like the head of your fan club.
Speaker 2: But don't do it. Jeff and Kelly turn up. Jeff
Speaker 2: goes inside and finds Kevin Tan the cop, talking to Walter.
Speaker 2: Why is he there? This is what we call Walter
Speaker 2: x Mackina. I love Elijah Wood. I think they're very
Speaker 2: lucky they got him for this role. He sells it
Speaker 2: for me even when it gets outrageous. But Kevin and
Speaker 2: Walter they're just having a friendly chat, you know, Kevin
Speaker 2: is questioning Walter. Walter's pretending that he thinks that, you
Speaker 2: know the people from the Yellow Jackets Survival crash, they're
Speaker 2: really bad people. Why don't you have some delicious hot cocoa?
Speaker 2: Kevin tan while I tell you this story?
Speaker 1: Are you a detective?
Speaker 2: I love being a detective.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a detective. I am part of the
Speaker 1: amateur detective community. You might have heard of us.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of us? Have you heard of us?
Speaker 2: And Jeff shows up and he's like, fuck, Kevin, you
Speaker 2: followed me here. I'm really dumb. I should have realized
Speaker 2: that was gonna happen, but I didn't because I'm like
Speaker 2: a sweet himbo who just loves my wife. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: false confess that I killed Adam Martin so that you
Speaker 2: leave my wife alone. It's very honorable. Kevin is clearly
Speaker 2: quite moved and upset because it's, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: I like Jeff. I like Jeff because he is crazy,
Speaker 2: just as crazy as Seana.
Speaker 1: Let me say this about Jeff, who has been going
Speaker 1: through it all season and is going through it in
Speaker 1: this episode in a wonderfully unhinged performance by Warren Cole,
Speaker 1: Who's like unbelievable. Jeff is on the edge of tears
Speaker 1: this entire episode, and it must have been so emotionally
Speaker 1: grueling to film this. And I'll say this about the
Speaker 1: honorableness of his decision here it is, I guess.
Speaker 2: But it's loyal. That's the word I should have used.
Speaker 1: It's loyal. Here's my counter. You're leaving Kelly with your
Speaker 1: insane wife.
Speaker 2: I know, like.
Speaker 1: You're the level headed one, like throw her under the bus.
Speaker 2: I know, I do wonder about that, But I'm also like,
Speaker 2: maybe he's like, I'll be safer in prison from my
Speaker 2: wife and my daughter.
Speaker 1: Yet my man's murdering, cannibalistic wife and her cool daughter who.
Speaker 2: Like is clearly getting more and more into that lifestyle
Speaker 2: as she gets older. Yeah, so it doesn't matter because
Speaker 2: guess what, Jeff, His confession is useless because that delicious
Speaker 2: cocoa with marshmallows and whipped cream that Kevin Tan was
Speaker 2: sipping on in the kitchen of Camp Green Pine, it
Speaker 2: was spiked with fenobarbital, and boom, Kevin Tan's dead, not
Speaker 2: knocked down.
Speaker 1: No, honestly, can you just get Fenna barberital? Like, where
Speaker 1: are people just getting Fenna barberital.
Speaker 2: So did he get it from where Lotti had it
Speaker 2: because Misty told him, might be he had it, or
Speaker 2: did he bring his own fena barbital because this is
Speaker 2: clearly not the first time this man's murdered someone.
Speaker 1: Oh, clearly not. And I just have my issue with
Speaker 1: this is this one. I would have loved to see
Speaker 1: Jeff and or Shauna get out of this situation on
Speaker 1: their own, not have a diis ex Walter, like show
Speaker 1: up and kill the guy. And secondarily Walter, which is
Speaker 1: our next bullet point, then goes to m Saracuza and
Speaker 1: is like, hey, so you're gonna go along with this,
Speaker 1: that it was actually Kevin that killed Adam for this
Speaker 1: and this and this reason. I've set it up. I
Speaker 1: put it the text messages I've got, I've got all
Speaker 1: the fake messages and stuff, bank details.
Speaker 2: Bank details everything. I'm a billionagg I can do it everyone.
Speaker 1: It looks fucking good. Yeah, this is I just do
Speaker 1: this for laughs, Like this is a hobby of mine.
Speaker 1: I'm into it, and you're gonna find that it's seamless
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go along with it, because if you
Speaker 1: don't go along with it, it's gonna look like you
Speaker 1: did it. And oh, by the way, also you were
Speaker 1: attempting to date like a high school junior and or
Speaker 1: senior as part of this, So it's like it's gonna
Speaker 1: look really really bad for you. Why would M. Sarahcusa
Speaker 1: go along with it? Like, wouldn't he be like, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna have this murder hanging over my head
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: I think that the argument because we've talked about what
Speaker 2: shithead M. Saracusa, he really is a dumb man. Here's
Speaker 2: the fucking what.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the argument here is like Walter plays into
Speaker 2: his ego. One he does set M. Saracuzer up for
Speaker 2: the murtter of Kevin Town because he steals his gun
Speaker 2: and then just shoots Kevin three times. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: think he plays into his ego and he's basically like,
Speaker 2: you can be the hero. You took him down, you
Speaker 2: found the evidence. That's right, You get that promotion that
Speaker 2: you guys had really wanted, and nobody finds out you
Speaker 2: were dating a teenager and actually you can go and
Speaker 2: you can go and date more teenagers and steal more
Speaker 2: information from them and manipulate them I don't care. I've
Speaker 2: had it go for it, I've had it go crazy,
Speaker 2: So I think that's the reasoning. But it is extremely outrageous. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like it tips the show into a different space.
Speaker 1: It's almost slapstick in the way it goes down like
Speaker 1: it's Yeah, it's almost a comedic piece in the way
Speaker 1: he just like drops dead like a Looney Tunes character.
Speaker 2: Also, look, I don't want anyone out here reading anything
Speaker 2: into this that isn't about it yet. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I wish Kevin tandlved. Look, he was not doing a
Speaker 2: good job. He was a bad cop. But out of
Speaker 2: the two of them, I would rather M. Sarakuza died. Like,
Speaker 2: if I was picking, I think M.
Speaker 1: Sarahcuzu is definitely the one with the kind of like
Speaker 1: the moral gray Ariara, here is my head cannon for
Speaker 1: Why if indeed M. Sarahcuz ends up keeping the secret,
Speaker 1: why he would? I think he was a little eager
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, why don't I just take the
Speaker 1: teenaged doughter of the suspect on a few days. He
Speaker 1: was very very eager to do that. And I do
Speaker 1: wonder if he does end up keeping the secret. If
Speaker 1: the reason isn't that, guess what Amsarracuza complete dirt big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no no. I think you actually, ironically with
Speaker 2: this headcanon, I think you actually tap into probably what
Speaker 2: the show really wants us to think, which is M.
Speaker 2: Saracuza has come up against a person in Walter who
Speaker 2: has all this information, who has all this power, who
Speaker 2: can set something like this up. How lightly would Walter
Speaker 2: have to scratch into M. Saracuse's history to find out
Speaker 2: all the terrible shit that he did. I mean, he
Speaker 2: didn't tell Kevin about that plan. He just went to
Speaker 2: a bar and hit on Calli. He wasn't undercover, he
Speaker 2: didn't have any kind of legal protections around him. I
Speaker 2: think you're right. I think he's just a total dirt bag.
Speaker 2: And it's also a self preservation thing as well as
Speaker 2: an ego thing. Speaking of Calli, Cally almost kills M. Sarahcusa.
Speaker 2: I would have absolutely loved to see it. She also
Speaker 2: would have helped Walter out.
Speaker 1: She was ready to commit a murder.
Speaker 2: She had that gun and she was like, boom, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna shoot this fucking guy. But Walter drew him
Speaker 2: away with a hilarious mobile phone trick, Poor Jeff almost
Speaker 2: crying watching him doing this, setting up a killer X.
Speaker 1: Ray vision will be back and we're back.
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on at Camp green Pine this episode.
Speaker 2: We are seeing murders, set ups, all kinds of occurrences.
Speaker 2: Callie almost kills someone, Jeff's there. This is a real
Speaker 2: like you bring everyone in for the finale episode, but
Speaker 2: let us not forget that. There is also the question
Speaker 2: of the sacrifice, the wilderness sacrifice, which I'm now feeling
Speaker 2: like the whole reason Camp green Pine was there was
Speaker 2: so they can do the wilderness sacrifice again, you know,
Speaker 2: And now I need to ask you this question. Sure,
Speaker 2: I really love Yellow Jackets, and even though this finale
Speaker 2: was totally out there and kind of like a jump
Speaker 2: the shark s thing, I'm still committed. I still care
Speaker 2: about these characters. But I do need to know this
Speaker 2: because I've been thinking about this a lot. Yes, so
Speaker 2: they pull the cards. Natally pulls the Black King card. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Shana pulls the Queen of Hearts. Shawna's response is extremely Shorna.
Speaker 2: She's like, We're not really doing this now I'm the victim?
Speaker 2: Are we? Oh? You're so silly, like, how could we
Speaker 2: ever do this? Rare? But every single one of those girls,
Speaker 2: not just Lotti, they just those women, they just put
Speaker 2: the masks on and they're just gonna kill her.
Speaker 1: They're ready.
Speaker 2: Explain that to me. Is it like a trigger from
Speaker 2: the past. Have they been waiting for it? Shawna played
Speaker 2: the wrong card and didn't realize how like fragile they
Speaker 2: all were.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that they had just been so kind
Speaker 1: of primed to be back in that mind state that
Speaker 1: they were just flat out ready to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and clearly very very eager to do it to get
Speaker 1: back in the hunt. This is why I feel like
Speaker 1: we're kind of putting the cart before the horse with
Speaker 1: the death and Natalie. You want to see those hunts.
Speaker 1: You want to see them doing this stuff that would
Speaker 1: lead them to then become these people where thirty years
Speaker 1: after the fact, just after some light suggestion.
Speaker 2: They can still click back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can just go right back into murder mode
Speaker 1: after you know, some random drawings of cards. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you think happened?
Speaker 2: I think you're right, that was the bit. I just
Speaker 2: went with the vibe hilarious, like slapstick out there horror
Speaker 2: logic of the whole thing. That was the first bit
Speaker 2: that kind of made me sort of go oh, I
Speaker 2: do believe that tie in her current state will still
Speaker 2: be we'd saying it all season. T I get some help.
Speaker 2: I check on your family. There's another issue you have
Speaker 2: with this is what's going on with your family? Babe?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Just give your son a call? Please? How is your wife? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 2: I would like to know how's the dog?
Speaker 1: Can I ask? When do you do state senator stuff?
Speaker 1: Do you worry when?
Speaker 2: Never?
Speaker 1: When? Like? What is going on at the New Jersey
Speaker 1: State House? And has government ground to a halt? Because
Speaker 1: you were literally never fucking there.
Speaker 2: Never one day since you were elected.
Speaker 1: The freshman senator who has just been elected to office,
Speaker 1: and you have been there a grand total of zero points,
Speaker 1: zero zero.
Speaker 2: Hours, zero percentile attendance. What is going on, Taista? Please
Speaker 2: get some help? Oh?
Speaker 1: Do work?
Speaker 2: So? Like I believe she could be into it, Natalie,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe because like Loti was into it. Again,
Speaker 2: I like your reading where I think it's more about
Speaker 2: like that in that setting, they've got the mosques, they're
Speaker 2: just primed to be there, and none of them are
Speaker 2: ever really that far away from breaking, and I believe
Speaker 2: Seanna actually her response. I think her response in the
Speaker 2: Woods in the past, in the nineties would have been
Speaker 2: exactly the same. Oh, we're not really doing this. This
Speaker 2: is really dumb. I can't believe you guys are thinking
Speaker 2: of doing that.
Speaker 1: Oh you guys, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think she would have done that. So I think
Speaker 2: in that way it plays. So Callie ends up interrupting,
Speaker 2: and it's really great. There's this really great, weird moment
Speaker 2: where Lottie says, is that your daughter? She's so powerful?
Speaker 2: What is that? Is she the next and the Queen?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I liked it, Like Simone Kessel
Speaker 2: sold it. It felt very ominous and important. And then
Speaker 2: eventually Lisa shows up and Lisa is like, you can't
Speaker 2: kill Lotti. She's helping me. Natalie what's going on and
Speaker 2: kind of causes the commotion. Doesn't want to listen, wants
Speaker 2: to protect Lotti, and of course, the ever industrious Misty
Speaker 2: has another Fenno barbetal need or just ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me hold on, let me get in my backpack.
Speaker 1: I've got it ready to go.
Speaker 2: She's got it strapped to her arm. Who knows, Like
Speaker 2: She's like, this is the correct amount and she pulls
Speaker 2: it out. But as they've kind of been seeding throughout
Speaker 2: the season, Natalie and Lisa have become quite close, and
Speaker 2: Natalie sees Lisa as kind of a younger version of
Speaker 2: herself and someone that she can I guess imagine a
Speaker 2: future for m HM. And so Natalie sacrifices herself and
Speaker 2: Misty stabs Natalie with the needle. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much I believe that people would just believe that was
Speaker 2: a drug overdose randomly and the shoulder, you know, but
Speaker 2: they do works for everyone. And Misty kills her bff,
Speaker 2: which is very shocking.
Speaker 1: That was harrowing. And first of all, Natalie missed her
Speaker 1: calling as like a secret service agent because.
Speaker 2: She the timing.
Speaker 1: The timing was unbelievable. She got she saw what was
Speaker 1: happening and got in there. I don't necessarily know that,
Speaker 1: like Feno barbaratalling someone to death is the way to
Speaker 1: go in that situation, you know, but Misty has her
Speaker 1: own way of doing things. I was just like saddened.
Speaker 1: I need to I wanted to spend more time Natalie,
Speaker 1: though clearly we will be spending a lot of time
Speaker 1: with past Natalie young in the future times. But this
Speaker 1: is one of those things where we just closed a
Speaker 1: loop that people are just gonna like be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's dead, and what's this stab wound puncture wound in
Speaker 1: her shoulder? That's nothing, I know.
Speaker 2: They were like she it was a drug overdose, which
Speaker 2: I also thought was actually I'm sure this was intentional
Speaker 2: by the show, but that was like really gutting to
Speaker 2: me because like Natalie had just spent all this time
Speaker 2: getting clean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, besmirts her reputation one last time on the way out,
Speaker 1: just be like hey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then be like, oh, she was an addict.
Speaker 2: She just died of addiction, like anyone who know her,
Speaker 2: that's just what happened. Like that was really fucked up.
Speaker 2: I agree, And that kind of I think shows that
Speaker 2: there's not really any solidarity with these women at all.
Speaker 2: I don't love that because I kind of think one
Speaker 2: of the things that people enjoyed so much about the
Speaker 2: first season was the reality and I think you get
Speaker 2: that in the past of the kind of intricacies and violence,
Speaker 2: but also kindness of these like teen girl friendships. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's really fallen apart for all of them at
Speaker 2: this point. I mean. The present episode ends with you know,
Speaker 2: Misty goes to Walter for comfort and Walter tells her, hey,
Speaker 2: don't worry like I set her up. Your friends are chill,
Speaker 2: nothing wrong here. We're just cool.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I did that for you because that's just how it is.
Speaker 2: So those two are a little pair. You have Jeff
Speaker 2: and Seana finding out that they're going to be safe
Speaker 2: allegedly apparently, and then Lottie after tyan Van decide not
Speaker 2: to call the mental health professionals to help her before
Speaker 2: the sacrifice because they're like, we don't do that, you know,
Speaker 2: we just we do this. We look after ourselves. Which
Speaker 2: I'm like, I half appreciate it if you guys were
Speaker 2: in a better estate to look after her, but you're not.
Speaker 2: And then this happens. Letty just get sectioned. She's going
Speaker 2: back to the mental institute. They're taking her to the hospital,
Speaker 2: and the two girls are like, peace out. They don't
Speaker 2: even go with her. I was like, guys, come on,
Speaker 2: you put Lotty in this situation once again, can you
Speaker 2: please like go with her and support her. But Lotty
Speaker 2: has this say at the end, which I think will
Speaker 2: end up becoming likely a huge talking point and could
Speaker 2: either inform the next season or definitely inform the bonus episode,
Speaker 2: which we'll kind of talk about in a minute. Lotty says,
Speaker 2: like the wilderness is happy with us. She's like, you'll
Speaker 2: see that. I can feel it. And obviously we know
Speaker 2: Lotty is suffering from a severe psychotic break at this point,
Speaker 2: she hasn't been on her med, she's been having visions.
Speaker 2: But I think the way that this show plays with
Speaker 2: our expectations, even though I feel like the finale here
Speaker 2: really cements our theory about it being only trauma based.
Speaker 2: I think that by season three. Opening of season three,
Speaker 2: Tie's wife will wake up, Van's cancer will start going
Speaker 2: into remission even though it wasn't supposed to, and those
Speaker 2: questions will start popping up again of what do these
Speaker 2: sacrifices do.
Speaker 1: I want to jump back to one thing, which is
Speaker 1: I understand that the show wanted us to feel that
Speaker 1: Natalie was growing close to Lisa. We've had that, you know,
Speaker 1: that moment where we get to meet Lisa's family and
Speaker 1: see how eminently shitty they are on the trip backs
Speaker 1: or her hometown. That was enough to be like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the needle for Lisa, Like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: kill Lisa knock.
Speaker 2: They need a lot of Missy's hands punch Misty and
Speaker 2: the family.
Speaker 1: I mean we had like one nice lunch and hung
Speaker 1: out like at your childhood home. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm like leaping in front of the syringe for you, Natalie,
Speaker 1: just why not say look out? What about that? Look out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So that's good super Bridges saw did make a
Speaker 2: good point. He was saying, like it could be intrinsically
Speaker 2: connected to what she didn't do for Harvard.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true. That's a good point.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like she didn't save him, she didn't
Speaker 2: save the innocent, she didn't make that choice. And also
Speaker 2: we know that when they found Natalie Campgreen Pine found Natalie,
Speaker 2: she was gonna commit suicide. So she already has those
Speaker 2: kind of tendencies. But I would have just loved to
Speaker 2: see a story where somebody who struggled with addiction, with
Speaker 2: mental health problems that didn't die. I was really rooting
Speaker 2: for Natalie basically to.
Speaker 1: Bring it to a more serious level. Right. I think
Speaker 1: where I've come with this show and this story is
Speaker 1: that again it is and I think we agree this
Speaker 1: is basically the story of several young women who had
Speaker 1: a shared massed illusion, and this was in large part
Speaker 1: inspired by the fact that one of them had an
Speaker 1: active mental health issue which she was running rampant and unmdicated,
Speaker 1: and this really because of this person's innate charismaticness, kind
Speaker 1: of led to a lot of their very murderous and
Speaker 1: cannibalistic decisions. And it just feels like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people with mental illness who don't eat people,
Speaker 1: and if that is indeed where we're going, and I
Speaker 1: guess there's still a lot of leeway on either side
Speaker 1: of that issue. I hope that it's not just they
Speaker 1: were crazy and then they committed a lot of murders
Speaker 1: and eat people because there were nuts.
Speaker 2: I like that you brought that out, because I do
Speaker 2: trust this showy. I really have enjoyed this show. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's so interesting and weird, and even when
Speaker 2: it's doing the why all this things, like in this finale,
Speaker 2: you're still entertained and you're still thinking, like why would
Speaker 2: they do that? Like you're still having those conversations. But
Speaker 2: the loty stuff, I feel like it's tough because I
Speaker 2: don't want to prejudge it but I would like to
Speaker 2: see a more nuanced representation of a struggle with mental
Speaker 2: illness and a bit more of a holistic view of
Speaker 2: Lotty as a person, because, like you said, a lot
Speaker 2: of us struggle with mental illness. We don't eat people,
Speaker 2: but a lot of us don't crash into the woods.
Speaker 1: That's true, just saying, just saying, but.
Speaker 2: A lot of people. I think that you raise a
Speaker 2: very good point, and I hope the mental health issue
Speaker 2: isn't essentially like a mcguffin or like a do x Marketer.
Speaker 2: Also speaking of do x Marketer, before we get onto
Speaker 2: the final bonus episode story, what do you think is
Speaker 2: gonna happen with Misty and Walter? Are they going to
Speaker 2: go on like a road trip together?
Speaker 1: They are the same person. You could argue that they
Speaker 1: are too much the same person.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we're seeing Yeah, but that.
Speaker 1: Relationship will continue if for any other reason, then Walter
Speaker 1: is not gonna let it go, Like this is not
Speaker 1: the end of this.
Speaker 2: He did this for her, did this for her.
Speaker 1: And he is going to remain in her life. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna let it go.
Speaker 2: That's a great point actually, and quite a good creepy read.
Speaker 2: I saw one of the theories that my friend James
Speaker 2: was talking about I thought was really good was Walter's
Speaker 2: end game is he is a cannibal and the ultimate
Speaker 2: thing if you are a cannibal is to eat another cannibal. Wow.
Speaker 1: I like that. That's good, right, I love that.
Speaker 2: I think that is like really cool. And it also
Speaker 2: plays in a sin city. You know, the Robert Rodriguez
Speaker 2: adaptation of the Frank Miller. He played a cannibaal, so
Speaker 2: I kind of like that, and it was this huge
Speaker 2: deal of like this cute young guy who played a
Speaker 2: hobbit was playing this cannibal killer. So I kind of
Speaker 2: like that echo and that potential idea that Walter has
Speaker 2: this kind of weirder ongoing endgame, which is that he
Speaker 2: just wants to eat Misty because she's also a cannibal.
Speaker 1: I really really like that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we should just say is. We don't really
Speaker 2: know what it's gonna be, how it's going to look,
Speaker 2: or when it's going to come out, But there was
Speaker 2: confirmation from the showrunners of Yellowjackets that we will be
Speaker 2: getting a bonus episode Wild that is essentially going to
Speaker 2: be kind of in between season two and season three.
Speaker 2: A lot of rumors and internet speculation had been going
Speaker 2: on that a bonus episode exists or did they were
Speaker 2: going to drop a bonus episode. We don't know when
Speaker 2: it's coming out. Doesn't look like it's too soon, but
Speaker 2: from what we're hearing as well, maybe not directly connected
Speaker 2: to the two stories we've seen, kind of like a
Speaker 2: law episode. Is there anything in your mind that if
Speaker 2: they did, like a bottle episode, that you would feel
Speaker 2: like could really bring season two together or make you
Speaker 2: even more excited for season three.
Speaker 1: I think more woods stuff, more context.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or the wilderness is the is the stuffy is.
Speaker 1: That's where the real that's the story engine is. Whatever
Speaker 1: happened there, it's affecting that their later lives and all
Speaker 1: the drama that we get, you know at Camp green Pine,
Speaker 1: at the you know, with the murder of Adam, with ties,
Speaker 1: ongoing struggle with hallucinations, all of that stuff stems from
Speaker 1: everything that happened in the woods. So I hope that
Speaker 1: whatever it is is forest centric, you know, more murders
Speaker 1: that they've committed there and another hunt, whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be. But I think it has to be there.
Speaker 1: We have to. Yeah, it feels strange to not know
Speaker 1: more about what happened there, because it just feels like
Speaker 1: it all informs this the other present day storyline, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge what these characters do without knowing
Speaker 1: what really went on there. We know there's a few
Speaker 1: murders and certainly multiple bodies eaten at this point, but
Speaker 1: what else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to know. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think the democracy, the kind of burgeoning democracy of
Speaker 2: the Antler Queen and kind of the lore of that.
Speaker 2: We also get an interesting moment where Natalie ends up
Speaker 2: on the plane again just before she passes over, and
Speaker 2: she sees Hobvey and she sees young Natalie, and I
Speaker 2: wonder if there's something there about this kind of almost
Speaker 2: how Lost would do a lot of these side jumps
Speaker 2: that were kind of people all meeting up again in
Speaker 2: Heaven spoiler alert for Lost. But I wonder if there's
Speaker 2: something about that limbo space of the plane, and maybe
Speaker 2: that's somewhere where they can explore different parts of people's
Speaker 2: lives in a way that has to feel less concrete
Speaker 2: in either timeline. But yeah, I'm very interested in it.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we will see.
Speaker 2: Who knows when he is going to come out up
Speaker 2: next nerd Out. In today's nerd Out, where you tell
Speaker 2: us what you love and why, or a theory that
Speaker 2: you're excited to share, Lee shares a mustache theory on
Speaker 2: mof Gideon. Now this is actually I think it's right.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, I'm just putting out there first. Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll even get in. I think this is right.
Speaker 1: Lee first of all, presages his theory by saying that
Speaker 1: it's not entirely his theory. He's seen stuff to this
Speaker 1: effect online. But the gist of the theory is this quote.
Speaker 1: Maf Gideon's lack of a mustache this season from the
Speaker 1: Man learn was actually due to the fact that we
Speaker 1: were watching a clone the entire time. Instead of the
Speaker 1: mustache moph Gideon we see in seasons one and two,
Speaker 1: we actually see d mustache Gideon, who mirrors the clones
Speaker 1: in the tanks that Mando destroys. Thus, the real Moth
Speaker 1: is off somewhere kicking up his imperial boots and eating
Speaker 1: travel biscuits. Far more basic theory here is at least
Speaker 1: more basic theory. Quote one, the dude was fully covered
Speaker 1: in best guar armour, And who are we to say
Speaker 1: that he could not have survived that epic explosion. And two,
Speaker 1: there is no body. We never see a body. And
Speaker 1: I'll do it in the voice here, I'm asking Mike,
Speaker 1: where's the body, because if we don't see a body, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, we all know it's no body. He
Speaker 1: might not be I probably in the debt. So Mike,
Speaker 1: what do you think nobody? I'll take my indself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say I like this theory for the simple
Speaker 1: fact that, like not having a mustache, changing bits of costume,
Speaker 1: those aren't accidental things. Those are very purposeful decisions. And
Speaker 1: whether it's a clone or not, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's clear that they want us to think that maybe
Speaker 1: that's not the same guy.
Speaker 2: I think that you are right, and I think that
Speaker 2: Lee makes a great point in hand, not only by
Speaker 2: sharing this theory. I appreciate you crediting that someone else
Speaker 2: came up with that. That's very nice of you. And
Speaker 2: I think that the mustache theory holds up because look,
Speaker 2: if it had just been that the brilliant actor who
Speaker 2: plays Moff Gideon no longer had a mustache, right, they
Speaker 2: could have used a fake mustache, or as we saw
Speaker 2: in they claim movie Justice League. They could have seen
Speaker 2: ged a mustache on, they could have taken it off.
Speaker 2: You know, there's many different ways to add a mustache.
Speaker 1: Now, it could be the case that Joan Carlos Posito
Speaker 1: was only on set for three days and right after
Speaker 1: that he had to go do another thing where he
Speaker 1: had a clean shaven face or what have you. I'll
Speaker 1: say two things. One, it's not a tremendously bushy musset
Speaker 1: like it looks like max five days growth. Like, I
Speaker 1: think there's a he could have done it, you could
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: So I love this theory. I think Jason's right. All
Speaker 2: of these things are intentional. Even if this was a
Speaker 2: simple red herring, it's a very fun red herring. But
Speaker 2: I think the reason that Lee really sells me on
Speaker 2: this is not only is it a great theory, and
Speaker 2: you have the addition of, oh, you know, there's a
Speaker 2: clone that didn't have a mustache, so maybe those clones
Speaker 2: also you could have that fun kind of almost prestige
Speaker 2: kind of clone law where the clone doesn't know they're
Speaker 2: a clone. That's like a really interesting aspect because he
Speaker 2: talks a lot about all of his failed clones, thinking
Speaker 2: maybe he really is the real Moth. But Lee really
Speaker 2: sells me on this with the fact there's nobody we
Speaker 2: know the rules. If there's nobody, we don't know you're dead.
Speaker 2: Star Wars rules, horror rules, fantasy rules, every that's every franchise,
Speaker 2: that is the rule. If we never see the body,
Speaker 2: we don't know you're dead. So that I think this
Speaker 2: is so fun and I would love to see mustachioed
Speaker 2: Gideon come back.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. Think about you know what
Speaker 1: they did with Natalie and Yellowjackets. They showed us her
Speaker 1: open eye, dead stairface for five seconds to say she
Speaker 1: is deadded dad to see that they're alive. Period.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's me and I'm I'm still a Stew Lives guy.
Speaker 2: I saw that TV four long Stew's head and screen,
Speaker 2: but I never saw his body. Maybe maybe's face just
Speaker 2: fucked up. It can happen. Thanks Lee. If you have
Speaker 2: theories or passions you want to share, hit us up
Speaker 2: at x ray at cricket dot com. Instructions in the show.
Speaker 1: Notes, that's it for us. Rosie any plugs, Oh.
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Speaker 2: I know I usually promote things in the South Bay,
Speaker 2: but on June tenth, Saturday, June tenth, me and Nick
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Speaker 2: the comic book shop on Universal City Walk. So if
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Speaker 2: And if you're in SGV, like San Gabriel Valley area, Me, Nick,
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Speaker 2: Spider Verse inspired art show at the really great comic shop,
Speaker 2: Nostalgic Comics. And I made a Hobie Brown fan art
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