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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast spoilers for the season two finale of

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Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets and some spoilers for the finale of season

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Speaker 1: three of The Mandalorian and The Nerd out be warned. Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Extra Vision of the Crooked Media podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 1: pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, in the air Lock, You've wanted it,

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Speaker 2: so we're doing it. We are doing the Yellow Jacket

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Speaker 2: season two finale. We're gonna break down all the wildest

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Speaker 2: things that happened, and there were a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: There were a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: It's bananas, folks, It's insane.

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Speaker 2: In nerd out Lee offers the Moff Gideon theory from

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Speaker 2: the recent finale of The Mandalorian.

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Speaker 1: Coming up the Yellow Jackets season two finale.

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Speaker 2: We're stepping out of the airlock and into the frosty

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Speaker 2: wilderness of the Yellow Jackets season two episode nine, which

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Speaker 2: is also the season finale episode nine Storytelling, directed by

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Speaker 2: Karen Cassama, She Came Back Icon, I Love Karen Kasama,

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Speaker 2: Jennifer's Body, The Invitation. She also directed the pilot and

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Speaker 2: it was written by Amini Rosa. Now, the finale of

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Speaker 2: Yellow Jacket season two finds the survivors in the present

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Speaker 2: planning a new sacrifice and the survivors in the past

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Speaker 2: dealing with the fallout of how these death flash murder,

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Speaker 2: and over the course of the episode, a ton of

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Speaker 2: very wild stuff happens. So we're just gonna break it

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Speaker 2: down piece by wild peace. Jason, First of all, how

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Speaker 2: did the finale work for you?

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Speaker 1: It was very insane. I thought you could have combined

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Speaker 1: season one and two and made one really crazy season

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Speaker 1: of television. The Adam death murder storyline just took up

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Speaker 1: way too much meat space in this season, and ultimately

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Speaker 1: I feel like we didn't need it because we've ended

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Speaker 1: up in a place and we get there in the

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Speaker 1: most insane way where basically that chapter is closed.

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Speaker 2: It's the walking Dead issue. We did a lot of

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Speaker 2: extreme stuff to get to a place where it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: We ended up essentially where we kind of began at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of season two, which is nobody knows and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. So I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 2: RP to Adam alpt it loved Adam seemed like a

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Speaker 2: I love the domestic drama between Jeff and Seana.

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Speaker 1: Jeff is going through it man.

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Speaker 2: And Callie's been a fun addition. But I agree absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I would say like ridiculous, like the finale was totally wild.

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Speaker 2: Like ridiculous to me is not a negative thing. Now

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Speaker 2: it's complimentary, but a lot of wild stuff happens. I

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Speaker 2: would agree. I think that Adam Martin murder, in hindsight,

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Speaker 2: that plotline like took up too much time.

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Speaker 1: We could have sown that whole thing up in like

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Speaker 2: I also think, look, people get murdered all the time,

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Speaker 2: and you know what, it doesn't always get solved.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying like that could have been a back burner.

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Speaker 2: Plot line where we could have focused a little bit

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Speaker 1: I think, in small town New Jersey, you got to

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Speaker 1: And I think Kevin was like, this is my path

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Speaker 1: to promotion, this is my path to success. It involves

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Speaker 1: with already. I got to solve this fucking crime. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I have to solve it so badly that I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get one of my colleagues to seduce a teenager and

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Speaker 2: That was absolutely illegal. I'm just saying, Look, I know

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Speaker 2: team who saw, you know, Adam Martin's death so that

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Speaker 2: let's see how that worked out for them in this

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So in the nineties we begin. It's the fallout

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Speaker 1: They have to do it.

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Speaker 2: That's how it is. In the Wilderness, Baby, the wilderness

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Speaker 2: So Shanna goes out, she chops up Harvey's body like

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Speaker 1: Also, that is like hard fucking work. At one point

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Speaker 2: Maybe there was an enlarged talk going on. And this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just freezing in an ice pond. Does all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, drifting off to sleep, you know as you kind

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Speaker 2: One is showing a supernatural Oh no, that's market moves,

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Speaker 1: I think she just has a passion for it. She

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Speaker 2: As we saw, she was very good at it. We

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Speaker 2: just yams the heart, He just yams it all down.

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Speaker 2: He just takes a big bite out of it. Am

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Speaker 2: seems unhealthy. Are you gonna get sick? I don't think

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Speaker 2: you can just eat a raw human heart.

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Speaker 1: Well it was cooked right, it was.

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Speaker 2: He ate a bite of it raw before they cooked it.

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Speaker 1: Goddamn, that is just so savage. I couldn't believe that

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Speaker 2: Like what he is, this associate and he's on a

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Speaker 1: If I'm gonna eat people like I have to. It's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying as well, Shanna, she butchered those into like

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that was wild. They cooked him up, they

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Speaker 2: She feels like Misty took her words out of context.

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Speaker 2: She was saying, if I die because Shanna beat the

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Speaker 2: And Misty's like, shut the fuck up and go downstairs

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, Lottie, I don't know which way

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Speaker 1: specifically to choose him at this particular time, to die

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Speaker 2: We could eat him.

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Speaker 1: Why are you losing your nerve about this, Lottie?

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Speaker 3: it and the human smells delicious.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I'm not into it, Like what the fuck?

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Speaker 2: I propose this Lottie did just get like severe head

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Speaker 2: She's kind of more of this supernatural, kind of morally

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Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way. I think that this

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Speaker 1: And we're back. This whole sequence really made me feel

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Speaker 2: So this episode argues I think that the wilderness and

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Speaker 2: I love that you brought up the idea of this

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Speaker 1: When Lottie said, what's the difference, I wanted to be like, Babe,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're claiming that you're being forced to do

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Speaker 1: It's good that we're skipping because it's just like the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so coach Ben in a shocking moment. We can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now they're gonna find you and they're gonna eat you.

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Speaker 1: I guess that was probably the thought. But then you

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Speaker 1: things in there. If there is an access in that

436
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: stump to food, then just fucking stay there. They're not

437
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: gonna find Maybe they'll find it, maybe they won't. But like,

438
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 1: what a move.

439
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 2: You didn't need to do that.

440
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 1: Nobody is thinking straight out here in the wilderness. Nobody.

441
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, season two, no one's thinking straight Jason conception.

442
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the poster in the past or in

443
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: the future.

444
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, let's speak about the present. So in

445
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 2: the present. If you remember last episode, episode eight, Lottie

446
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: had proposed something incredibly logical, which was, hey, let's drink

447
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: from these cups and one of them spiked with fennabarbital,

448
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: and if you drink that one, you're gonna die. But

449
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: then the wilderness will let us be and our lives

450
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: will be good. Now, first of all, I have a

451
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: problem with this theory. I boy up last week. But

452
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: the truth is that doesn't make any sense because Travis

453
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: already died, so surely your life should be fine. Like,

454
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: how many times do you have to do a sacrifice. Yeah,

455
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: like you're talking about a lot that was like two

456
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: months ago or something. How many sacrifices you need to do?

457
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: Makes no sense.

458
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 1: But again, I think this is this is a handful

459
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: of mentally ill people, like arguing about a supernatural shit

460
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. Like, folks, we've got bodies

461
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: already on the ledger. We don't need to be throwing

462
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: other bodies at it. Let's put Adam in there, Like,

463
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: what about Adam? Throw another one of their looking killed

464
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: by the hand of one of y'all, Thank you did

465
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: and cut.

466
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: Up, I will say Adam. He adds a little bit,

467
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: you know, to the theory that this does work, though,

468
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: because after they killed Adam.

469
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: Jeff was selling sofas like hotcakes. Couldn't believe it go

470
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: for Jeff only.

471
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: It was gomah for Jeff only. So this is a classic.

472
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: Like you said, I think this is a bunch of

473
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: menal old people who are really struggling with their decisions. Yeah,

474
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: because we end up in a situation here where Shawna

475
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: decides the best way to distract Lotti from her plan

476
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: to kill them all is to be like don't no, no, no.

477
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: If we're gonna do it. We gotta just like sacrifice

478
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: someone and kill them with a knife in the wood.

479
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta do it for real, Yeah like we

480
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: used to.

481
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: We don't just want to be drinking this nice And

482
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, Babe, Shanna, why are you always doing this

483
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: every time? Every single time? Also acgally, sorry, I just

484
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: need to skip back because I did forget this one

485
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 2: of the best moments of this finale that I love

486
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: so much that is either absolutely irrelevant and just a

487
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: hilarious character moment or incredibly important and we'll shape the

488
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: next season. After Lotty chooses Natalie to be the Antler Queen,

489
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: we get a clip of Shannah and she's writing in

490
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: her diary and she's like, why wasn't it me? Why

491
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: wasn't I chosen to be the leader? After everything I

492
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: have done, I have been chopping up everyone, And I

493
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: was like, Wow, sure not. You are petty and I love.

494
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: You, dear diary. Do my friends hate me? Question mark.

495
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: I know that we started off on the wrong foot

496
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: with me fucking my friend's boyfriend, but she's dead now

497
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: we hate her and we've kind of patched things up

498
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: in the afterlife, Like I had a long running multi

499
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 1: weak delusion where I was talking to her and then

500
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: I aron, we're good now, but now all of a sudden,

501
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: I chop up Hovey, and all of a sudden nobody

502
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: wants to choose me for Allan Queen. What the fuck?

503
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: What the fuck? That was like so good? So Sean

504
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: is really channeling that energy here with this terrible choice.

505
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

506
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 2: So that sets off a whole series of events and

507
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: they're like, well, we'll do that to distract Lottie. But

508
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: what do they do in the meantime, Nothing, pure chaos.

509
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: Jeff shows up to Camp green Pine with CALLI terrible parenting, Jeff,

510
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: don't do it. Shouldn't have done that. Love you, Jeff,

511
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: love you deeply. I'm like the head of your fan club.

512
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: But don't do it. Jeff and Kelly turn up. Jeff

513
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: goes inside and finds Kevin Tan the cop, talking to Walter.

514
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: Why is he there? This is what we call Walter

515
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: x Mackina. I love Elijah Wood. I think they're very

516
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 2: lucky they got him for this role. He sells it

517
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: for me even when it gets outrageous. But Kevin and

518
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: Walter they're just having a friendly chat, you know, Kevin

519
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 2: is questioning Walter. Walter's pretending that he thinks that, you

520
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: know the people from the Yellow Jackets Survival crash, they're

521
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: really bad people. Why don't you have some delicious hot cocoa?

522
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: Kevin tan while I tell you this story?

523
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: Are you a detective?

524
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: I love being a detective.

525
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a detective. I am part of the

526
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: amateur detective community. You might have heard of us.

527
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: Have you heard of us? Have you heard of us?

528
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: And Jeff shows up and he's like, fuck, Kevin, you

529
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: followed me here. I'm really dumb. I should have realized

530
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: that was gonna happen, but I didn't because I'm like

531
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: a sweet himbo who just loves my wife. I'm gonna

532
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 2: false confess that I killed Adam Martin so that you

533
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: leave my wife alone. It's very honorable. Kevin is clearly

534
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: quite moved and upset because it's, well, you know what,

535
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: I like Jeff. I like Jeff because he is crazy,

536
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: just as crazy as Seana.

537
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: Let me say this about Jeff, who has been going

538
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: through it all season and is going through it in

539
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: this episode in a wonderfully unhinged performance by Warren Cole,

540
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: Who's like unbelievable. Jeff is on the edge of tears

541
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: this entire episode, and it must have been so emotionally

542
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: grueling to film this. And I'll say this about the

543
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: honorableness of his decision here it is, I guess.

544
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: But it's loyal. That's the word I should have used.

545
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: It's loyal. Here's my counter. You're leaving Kelly with your

546
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: insane wife.

547
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: I know, like.

548
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: You're the level headed one, like throw her under the bus.

549
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: I know, I do wonder about that, But I'm also like,

550
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: maybe he's like, I'll be safer in prison from my

551
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: wife and my daughter.

552
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: Yet my man's murdering, cannibalistic wife and her cool daughter who.

553
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: Like is clearly getting more and more into that lifestyle

554
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: as she gets older. Yeah, so it doesn't matter because

555
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: guess what, Jeff, His confession is useless because that delicious

556
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: cocoa with marshmallows and whipped cream that Kevin Tan was

557
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: sipping on in the kitchen of Camp Green Pine, it

558
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: was spiked with fenobarbital, and boom, Kevin Tan's dead, not

559
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: knocked down.

560
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: No, honestly, can you just get Fenna barberital? Like, where

561
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: are people just getting Fenna barberital.

562
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: So did he get it from where Lotti had it

563
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 2: because Misty told him, might be he had it, or

564
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: did he bring his own fena barbital because this is

565
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: clearly not the first time this man's murdered someone.

566
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: Oh, clearly not. And I just have my issue with

567
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: this is this one. I would have loved to see

568
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: Jeff and or Shauna get out of this situation on

569
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: their own, not have a diis ex Walter, like show

570
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: up and kill the guy. And secondarily Walter, which is

571
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: our next bullet point, then goes to m Saracuza and

572
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: is like, hey, so you're gonna go along with this,

573
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: that it was actually Kevin that killed Adam for this

574
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: and this and this reason. I've set it up. I

575
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: put it the text messages I've got, I've got all

576
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: the fake messages and stuff, bank details.

577
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Bank details everything. I'm a billionagg I can do it everyone.

578
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: It looks fucking good. Yeah, this is I just do

579
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: this for laughs, Like this is a hobby of mine.

580
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm into it, and you're gonna find that it's seamless

581
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go along with it, because if you

582
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: don't go along with it, it's gonna look like you

583
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: did it. And oh, by the way, also you were

584
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: attempting to date like a high school junior and or

585
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: senior as part of this, So it's like it's gonna

586
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: look really really bad for you. Why would M. Sarahcusa

587
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: go along with it? Like, wouldn't he be like, I

588
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna have this murder hanging over my head

589
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life.

590
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: I think that the argument because we've talked about what

591
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: shithead M. Saracusa, he really is a dumb man. Here's

592
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: the fucking what.

593
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

594
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: I think the argument here is like Walter plays into

595
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: his ego. One he does set M. Saracuzer up for

596
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: the murtter of Kevin Town because he steals his gun

597
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: and then just shoots Kevin three times. Yeah, And I

598
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: think he plays into his ego and he's basically like,

599
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: you can be the hero. You took him down, you

600
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: found the evidence. That's right, You get that promotion that

601
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: you guys had really wanted, and nobody finds out you

602
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: were dating a teenager and actually you can go and

603
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: you can go and date more teenagers and steal more

604
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: information from them and manipulate them I don't care. I've

605
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: had it go for it, I've had it go crazy,

606
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: So I think that's the reasoning. But it is extremely outrageous. Yeah,

607
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: I feel like it tips the show into a different space.

608
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: It's almost slapstick in the way it goes down like

609
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: it's Yeah, it's almost a comedic piece in the way

610
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: he just like drops dead like a Looney Tunes character.

611
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: Also, look, I don't want anyone out here reading anything

612
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: into this that isn't about it yet. I'm not saying

613
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: I wish Kevin tandlved. Look, he was not doing a

614
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: good job. He was a bad cop. But out of

615
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: the two of them, I would rather M. Sarakuza died. Like,

616
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: if I was picking, I think M.

617
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: Sarahcuzu is definitely the one with the kind of like

618
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: the moral gray Ariara, here is my head cannon for

619
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: Why if indeed M. Sarahcuz ends up keeping the secret,

620
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: why he would? I think he was a little eager

621
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, why don't I just take the

622
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: teenaged doughter of the suspect on a few days. He

623
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: was very very eager to do that. And I do

624
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: wonder if he does end up keeping the secret. If

625
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: the reason isn't that, guess what Amsarracuza complete dirt big.

626
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no no. I think you actually, ironically with

627
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: this headcanon, I think you actually tap into probably what

628
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: the show really wants us to think, which is M.

629
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: Saracuza has come up against a person in Walter who

630
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: has all this information, who has all this power, who

631
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: can set something like this up. How lightly would Walter

632
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: have to scratch into M. Saracuse's history to find out

633
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: all the terrible shit that he did. I mean, he

634
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: didn't tell Kevin about that plan. He just went to

635
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: a bar and hit on Calli. He wasn't undercover, he

636
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: didn't have any kind of legal protections around him. I

637
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: think you're right. I think he's just a total dirt bag.

638
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: And it's also a self preservation thing as well as

639
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: an ego thing. Speaking of Calli, Cally almost kills M. Sarahcusa.

640
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: I would have absolutely loved to see it. She also

641
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: would have helped Walter out.

642
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: She was ready to commit a murder.

643
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: She had that gun and she was like, boom, I'm

644
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: just gonna shoot this fucking guy. But Walter drew him

645
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: away with a hilarious mobile phone trick, Poor Jeff almost

646
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: crying watching him doing this, setting up a killer X.

647
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: Ray vision will be back and we're back.

648
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on at Camp green Pine this episode.

649
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: We are seeing murders, set ups, all kinds of occurrences.

650
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: Callie almost kills someone, Jeff's there. This is a real

651
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: like you bring everyone in for the finale episode, but

652
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: let us not forget that. There is also the question

653
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: of the sacrifice, the wilderness sacrifice, which I'm now feeling

654
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: like the whole reason Camp green Pine was there was

655
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: so they can do the wilderness sacrifice again, you know,

656
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: And now I need to ask you this question. Sure,

657
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: I really love Yellow Jackets, and even though this finale

658
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: was totally out there and kind of like a jump

659
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: the shark s thing, I'm still committed. I still care

660
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: about these characters. But I do need to know this

661
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: because I've been thinking about this a lot. Yes, so

662
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: they pull the cards. Natally pulls the Black King card. Yeah,

663
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: Shana pulls the Queen of Hearts. Shawna's response is extremely Shorna.

664
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: She's like, We're not really doing this now I'm the victim?

665
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: Are we? Oh? You're so silly, like, how could we

666
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: ever do this? Rare? But every single one of those girls,

667
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: not just Lotti, they just those women, they just put

668
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: the masks on and they're just gonna kill her.

669
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: They're ready.

670
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Explain that to me. Is it like a trigger from

671
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: the past. Have they been waiting for it? Shawna played

672
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: the wrong card and didn't realize how like fragile they

673
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: all were.

674
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that they had just been so kind

675
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: of primed to be back in that mind state that

676
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: they were just flat out ready to do it. Yeah,

677
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: and clearly very very eager to do it to get

678
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: back in the hunt. This is why I feel like

679
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: we're kind of putting the cart before the horse with

680
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: the death and Natalie. You want to see those hunts.

681
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: You want to see them doing this stuff that would

682
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: lead them to then become these people where thirty years

683
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: after the fact, just after some light suggestion.

684
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: They can still click back.

685
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can just go right back into murder mode

686
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: after you know, some random drawings of cards. Yeah, what

687
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: do you think happened?

688
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: I think you're right, that was the bit. I just

689
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: went with the vibe hilarious, like slapstick out there horror

690
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: logic of the whole thing. That was the first bit

691
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: that kind of made me sort of go oh, I

692
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: do believe that tie in her current state will still

693
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: be we'd saying it all season. T I get some help.

694
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: I check on your family. There's another issue you have

695
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: with this is what's going on with your family? Babe?

696
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

697
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 2: Just give your son a call? Please? How is your wife? Yeah?

698
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: Please?

699
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: I would like to know how's the dog?

700
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: Can I ask? When do you do state senator stuff?

701
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: Do you worry when?

702
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: Never?

703
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: When? Like? What is going on at the New Jersey

704
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: State House? And has government ground to a halt? Because

705
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: you were literally never fucking there.

706
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: Never one day since you were elected.

707
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: The freshman senator who has just been elected to office,

708
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: and you have been there a grand total of zero points,

709
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: zero zero.

710
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 2: Hours, zero percentile attendance. What is going on, Taista? Please

711
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: get some help? Oh?

712
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: Do work?

713
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: So? Like I believe she could be into it, Natalie,

714
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe because like Loti was into it. Again,

715
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: I like your reading where I think it's more about

716
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: like that in that setting, they've got the mosques, they're

717
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: just primed to be there, and none of them are

718
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: ever really that far away from breaking, and I believe

719
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: Seanna actually her response. I think her response in the

720
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: Woods in the past, in the nineties would have been

721
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: exactly the same. Oh, we're not really doing this. This

722
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: is really dumb. I can't believe you guys are thinking

723
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: of doing that.

724
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: Oh you guys, Yeah.

725
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: I think she would have done that. So I think

726
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: in that way it plays. So Callie ends up interrupting,

727
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: and it's really great. There's this really great, weird moment

728
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: where Lottie says, is that your daughter? She's so powerful?

729
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: What is that? Is she the next and the Queen?

730
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I liked it, Like Simone Kessel

731
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: sold it. It felt very ominous and important. And then

732
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: eventually Lisa shows up and Lisa is like, you can't

733
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: kill Lotti. She's helping me. Natalie what's going on and

734
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: kind of causes the commotion. Doesn't want to listen, wants

735
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: to protect Lotti, and of course, the ever industrious Misty

736
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: has another Fenno barbetal need or just ready.

737
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me hold on, let me get in my backpack.

738
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: I've got it ready to go.

739
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: She's got it strapped to her arm. Who knows, Like

740
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: She's like, this is the correct amount and she pulls

741
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: it out. But as they've kind of been seeding throughout

742
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: the season, Natalie and Lisa have become quite close, and

743
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: Natalie sees Lisa as kind of a younger version of

744
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: herself and someone that she can I guess imagine a

745
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: future for m HM. And so Natalie sacrifices herself and

746
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: Misty stabs Natalie with the needle. I don't know how

747
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: much I believe that people would just believe that was

748
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: a drug overdose randomly and the shoulder, you know, but

749
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: they do works for everyone. And Misty kills her bff,

750
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: which is very shocking.

751
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: That was harrowing. And first of all, Natalie missed her

752
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: calling as like a secret service agent because.

753
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: She the timing.

754
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: The timing was unbelievable. She got she saw what was

755
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: happening and got in there. I don't necessarily know that,

756
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: like Feno barbaratalling someone to death is the way to

757
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: go in that situation, you know, but Misty has her

758
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: own way of doing things. I was just like saddened.

759
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I need to I wanted to spend more time Natalie,

760
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: though clearly we will be spending a lot of time

761
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: with past Natalie young in the future times. But this

762
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: is one of those things where we just closed a

763
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: loop that people are just gonna like be like, Okay,

764
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: she's dead, and what's this stab wound puncture wound in

765
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: her shoulder? That's nothing, I know.

766
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: They were like she it was a drug overdose, which

767
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 2: I also thought was actually I'm sure this was intentional

768
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: by the show, but that was like really gutting to

769
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: me because like Natalie had just spent all this time

770
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: getting clean.

771
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, besmirts her reputation one last time on the way out,

772
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: just be like hey.

773
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then be like, oh, she was an addict.

774
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: She just died of addiction, like anyone who know her,

775
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: that's just what happened. Like that was really fucked up.

776
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: I agree, And that kind of I think shows that

777
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: there's not really any solidarity with these women at all.

778
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't love that because I kind of think one

779
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: of the things that people enjoyed so much about the

780
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: first season was the reality and I think you get

781
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: that in the past of the kind of intricacies and violence,

782
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: but also kindness of these like teen girl friendships. Yeah,

783
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: and that's really fallen apart for all of them at

784
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: this point. I mean. The present episode ends with you know,

785
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: Misty goes to Walter for comfort and Walter tells her, hey,

786
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: don't worry like I set her up. Your friends are chill,

787
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: nothing wrong here. We're just cool.

788
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: Now.

789
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: I did that for you because that's just how it is.

790
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: So those two are a little pair. You have Jeff

791
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: and Seana finding out that they're going to be safe

792
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: allegedly apparently, and then Lottie after tyan Van decide not

793
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: to call the mental health professionals to help her before

794
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: the sacrifice because they're like, we don't do that, you know,

795
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: we just we do this. We look after ourselves. Which

796
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, I half appreciate it if you guys were

797
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: in a better estate to look after her, but you're not.

798
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: And then this happens. Letty just get sectioned. She's going

799
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: back to the mental institute. They're taking her to the hospital,

800
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: and the two girls are like, peace out. They don't

801
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: even go with her. I was like, guys, come on,

802
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: you put Lotty in this situation once again, can you

803
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: please like go with her and support her. But Lotty

804
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: has this say at the end, which I think will

805
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: end up becoming likely a huge talking point and could

806
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: either inform the next season or definitely inform the bonus episode,

807
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: which we'll kind of talk about in a minute. Lotty says,

808
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 2: like the wilderness is happy with us. She's like, you'll

809
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: see that. I can feel it. And obviously we know

810
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: Lotty is suffering from a severe psychotic break at this point,

811
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: she hasn't been on her med, she's been having visions.

812
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: But I think the way that this show plays with

813
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: our expectations, even though I feel like the finale here

814
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: really cements our theory about it being only trauma based.

815
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 2: I think that by season three. Opening of season three,

816
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: Tie's wife will wake up, Van's cancer will start going

817
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: into remission even though it wasn't supposed to, and those

818
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: questions will start popping up again of what do these

819
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: sacrifices do.

820
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I want to jump back to one thing, which is

821
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: I understand that the show wanted us to feel that

822
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: Natalie was growing close to Lisa. We've had that, you know,

823
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: that moment where we get to meet Lisa's family and

824
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: see how eminently shitty they are on the trip backs

825
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: or her hometown. That was enough to be like, I'm

826
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: gonna take the needle for Lisa, Like I'm not saying

827
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: kill Lisa knock.

828
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: They need a lot of Missy's hands punch Misty and

829
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: the family.

830
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: I mean we had like one nice lunch and hung

831
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: out like at your childhood home. I don't know if

832
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm like leaping in front of the syringe for you, Natalie,

833
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: just why not say look out? What about that? Look out?

834
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? So that's good super Bridges saw did make a

835
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: good point. He was saying, like it could be intrinsically

836
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: connected to what she didn't do for Harvard.

837
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

838
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's like she didn't save him, she didn't

839
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: save the innocent, she didn't make that choice. And also

840
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: we know that when they found Natalie Campgreen Pine found Natalie,

841
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: she was gonna commit suicide. So she already has those

842
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: kind of tendencies. But I would have just loved to

843
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: see a story where somebody who struggled with addiction, with

844
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: mental health problems that didn't die. I was really rooting

845
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: for Natalie basically to.

846
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: Bring it to a more serious level. Right. I think

847
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: where I've come with this show and this story is

848
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: that again it is and I think we agree this

849
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: is basically the story of several young women who had

850
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: a shared massed illusion, and this was in large part

851
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: inspired by the fact that one of them had an

852
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: active mental health issue which she was running rampant and unmdicated,

853
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: and this really because of this person's innate charismaticness, kind

854
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: of led to a lot of their very murderous and

855
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: cannibalistic decisions. And it just feels like, you know, there's

856
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people with mental illness who don't eat people,

857
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: and if that is indeed where we're going, and I

858
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: guess there's still a lot of leeway on either side

859
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: of that issue. I hope that it's not just they

860
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: were crazy and then they committed a lot of murders

861
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: and eat people because there were nuts.

862
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: I like that you brought that out, because I do

863
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: trust this showy. I really have enjoyed this show. I

864
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: feel like it's so interesting and weird, and even when

865
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: it's doing the why all this things, like in this finale,

866
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: you're still entertained and you're still thinking, like why would

867
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: they do that? Like you're still having those conversations. But

868
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: the loty stuff, I feel like it's tough because I

869
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: don't want to prejudge it but I would like to

870
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: see a more nuanced representation of a struggle with mental

871
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: illness and a bit more of a holistic view of

872
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: Lotty as a person, because, like you said, a lot

873
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 2: of us struggle with mental illness. We don't eat people,

874
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: but a lot of us don't crash into the woods.

875
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: That's true, just saying, just saying, but.

876
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: A lot of people. I think that you raise a

877
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: very good point, and I hope the mental health issue

878
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 2: isn't essentially like a mcguffin or like a do x Marketer.

879
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: Also speaking of do x Marketer, before we get onto

880
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: the final bonus episode story, what do you think is

881
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: gonna happen with Misty and Walter? Are they going to

882
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: go on like a road trip together?

883
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: They are the same person. You could argue that they

884
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: are too much the same person.

885
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we're seeing Yeah, but that.

886
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: Relationship will continue if for any other reason, then Walter

887
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: is not gonna let it go, Like this is not

888
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: the end of this.

889
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: He did this for her, did this for her.

890
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: And he is going to remain in her life. He's

891
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: not gonna let it go.

892
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: That's a great point actually, and quite a good creepy read.

893
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: I saw one of the theories that my friend James

894
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: was talking about I thought was really good was Walter's

895
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: end game is he is a cannibal and the ultimate

896
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: thing if you are a cannibal is to eat another cannibal. Wow.

897
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: I like that. That's good, right, I love that.

898
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 2: I think that is like really cool. And it also

899
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: plays in a sin city. You know, the Robert Rodriguez

900
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: adaptation of the Frank Miller. He played a cannibaal, so

901
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: I kind of like that, and it was this huge

902
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: deal of like this cute young guy who played a

903
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: hobbit was playing this cannibal killer. So I kind of

904
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: like that echo and that potential idea that Walter has

905
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: this kind of weirder ongoing endgame, which is that he

906
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: just wants to eat Misty because she's also a cannibal.

907
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: I really really like that.

908
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we should just say is. We don't really

909
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: know what it's gonna be, how it's going to look,

910
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: or when it's going to come out, But there was

911
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: confirmation from the showrunners of Yellowjackets that we will be

912
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: getting a bonus episode Wild that is essentially going to

913
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: be kind of in between season two and season three.

914
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: A lot of rumors and internet speculation had been going

915
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: on that a bonus episode exists or did they were

916
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: going to drop a bonus episode. We don't know when

917
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: it's coming out. Doesn't look like it's too soon, but

918
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: from what we're hearing as well, maybe not directly connected

919
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: to the two stories we've seen, kind of like a

920
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: law episode. Is there anything in your mind that if

921
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: they did, like a bottle episode, that you would feel

922
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: like could really bring season two together or make you

923
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: even more excited for season three.

924
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: I think more woods stuff, more context.

925
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, or the wilderness is the is the stuffy is.

926
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: That's where the real that's the story engine is. Whatever

927
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: happened there, it's affecting that their later lives and all

928
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: the drama that we get, you know at Camp green Pine,

929
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: at the you know, with the murder of Adam, with ties,

930
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: ongoing struggle with hallucinations, all of that stuff stems from

931
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: everything that happened in the woods. So I hope that

932
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: whatever it is is forest centric, you know, more murders

933
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: that they've committed there and another hunt, whatever the case

934
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: may be. But I think it has to be there.

935
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: We have to. Yeah, it feels strange to not know

936
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: more about what happened there, because it just feels like

937
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: it all informs this the other present day storyline, and

938
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge what these characters do without knowing

939
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: what really went on there. We know there's a few

940
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: murders and certainly multiple bodies eaten at this point, but

941
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: what else.

942
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to know. I totally agree with you.

943
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: I think the democracy, the kind of burgeoning democracy of

944
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: the Antler Queen and kind of the lore of that.

945
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: We also get an interesting moment where Natalie ends up

946
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: on the plane again just before she passes over, and

947
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: she sees Hobvey and she sees young Natalie, and I

948
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: wonder if there's something there about this kind of almost

949
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: how Lost would do a lot of these side jumps

950
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: that were kind of people all meeting up again in

951
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: Heaven spoiler alert for Lost. But I wonder if there's

952
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: something about that limbo space of the plane, and maybe

953
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: that's somewhere where they can explore different parts of people's

954
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: lives in a way that has to feel less concrete

955
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: in either timeline. But yeah, I'm very interested in it.

956
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: We'll see, we will see.

957
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: Who knows when he is going to come out up

958
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 2: next nerd Out. In today's nerd Out, where you tell

959
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: us what you love and why, or a theory that

960
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: you're excited to share, Lee shares a mustache theory on

961
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: mof Gideon. Now this is actually I think it's right.

962
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, I'm just putting out there first. Okay,

963
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: we'll even get in. I think this is right.

964
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: Lee first of all, presages his theory by saying that

965
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: it's not entirely his theory. He's seen stuff to this

966
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: effect online. But the gist of the theory is this quote.

967
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Maf Gideon's lack of a mustache this season from the

968
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: Man learn was actually due to the fact that we

969
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: were watching a clone the entire time. Instead of the

970
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: mustache moph Gideon we see in seasons one and two,

971
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: we actually see d mustache Gideon, who mirrors the clones

972
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: in the tanks that Mando destroys. Thus, the real Moth

973
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: is off somewhere kicking up his imperial boots and eating

974
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: travel biscuits. Far more basic theory here is at least

975
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: more basic theory. Quote one, the dude was fully covered

976
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: in best guar armour, And who are we to say

977
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: that he could not have survived that epic explosion. And two,

978
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: there is no body. We never see a body. And

979
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: I'll do it in the voice here, I'm asking Mike,

980
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: where's the body, because if we don't see a body, man,

981
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, we all know it's no body. He

982
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: might not be I probably in the debt. So Mike,

983
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: what do you think nobody? I'll take my indself. Yeah,

984
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: I will say I like this theory for the simple

985
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: fact that, like not having a mustache, changing bits of costume,

986
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: those aren't accidental things. Those are very purposeful decisions. And

987
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: whether it's a clone or not, I don't know, but

988
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: it's clear that they want us to think that maybe

989
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: that's not the same guy.

990
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 2: I think that you are right, and I think that

991
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: Lee makes a great point in hand, not only by

992
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: sharing this theory. I appreciate you crediting that someone else

993
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: came up with that. That's very nice of you. And

994
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: I think that the mustache theory holds up because look,

995
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: if it had just been that the brilliant actor who

996
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: plays Moff Gideon no longer had a mustache, right, they

997
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: could have used a fake mustache, or as we saw

998
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: in they claim movie Justice League. They could have seen

999
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: ged a mustache on, they could have taken it off.

1000
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: You know, there's many different ways to add a mustache.

1001
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: Now, it could be the case that Joan Carlos Posito

1002
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: was only on set for three days and right after

1003
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: that he had to go do another thing where he

1004
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: had a clean shaven face or what have you. I'll

1005
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: say two things. One, it's not a tremendously bushy musset

1006
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: like it looks like max five days growth. Like, I

1007
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: think there's a he could have done it, you could

1008
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: do it.

1009
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: So I love this theory. I think Jason's right. All

1010
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: of these things are intentional. Even if this was a

1011
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: simple red herring, it's a very fun red herring. But

1012
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: I think the reason that Lee really sells me on

1013
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: this is not only is it a great theory, and

1014
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: you have the addition of, oh, you know, there's a

1015
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: clone that didn't have a mustache, so maybe those clones

1016
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: also you could have that fun kind of almost prestige

1017
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 2: kind of clone law where the clone doesn't know they're

1018
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: a clone. That's like a really interesting aspect because he

1019
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: talks a lot about all of his failed clones, thinking

1020
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 2: maybe he really is the real Moth. But Lee really

1021
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: sells me on this with the fact there's nobody we

1022
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 2: know the rules. If there's nobody, we don't know you're dead.

1023
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: Star Wars rules, horror rules, fantasy rules, every that's every franchise,

1024
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 2: that is the rule. If we never see the body,

1025
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: we don't know you're dead. So that I think this

1026
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: is so fun and I would love to see mustachioed

1027
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: Gideon come back.

1028
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. Think about you know what

1029
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: they did with Natalie and Yellowjackets. They showed us her

1030
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: open eye, dead stairface for five seconds to say she

1031
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: is deadded dad to see that they're alive. Period.

1032
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 2: Yeah that's me and I'm I'm still a Stew Lives guy.

1033
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: I saw that TV four long Stew's head and screen,

1034
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: but I never saw his body. Maybe maybe's face just

1035
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: fucked up. It can happen. Thanks Lee. If you have

1036
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: theories or passions you want to share, hit us up

1037
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: at x ray at cricket dot com. Instructions in the show.

1038
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: Notes, that's it for us. Rosie any plugs, Oh.

1039
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 2: I have cool things to plug so you can find

1040
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Speaker 2: me a Rosie marks on Instagram and letterbox. And if

1041
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Speaker 2: you are in the La area and not the South Bay.

1042
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Speaker 2: I know I usually promote things in the South Bay,

1043
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: but on June tenth, Saturday, June tenth, me and Nick

1044
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: Marino will be doing a signing at Tifa, which is

1045
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: the comic book shop on Universal City Walk. So if

1046
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 2: you're in the Valley and you want to come, stay

1047
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: hi to us. It's a really cool shop owned by

1048
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Speaker 2: Dark Horse Comics, and we'll be there signing a bunch

1049
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Speaker 2: of go Zilla stuff, So come and see us there.

1050
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: And if you're in SGV, like San Gabriel Valley area, Me, Nick,

1051
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Speaker 2: a couple of our friends, Mark Nate, We're doing a

1052
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Speaker 2: Spider Verse inspired art show at the really great comic shop,

1053
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Speaker 2: Nostalgic Comics. And I made a Hobie Brown fan art

1054
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: piece which I'll share on my socials, But if you

1055
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: want to see it in person, you can go there

1056
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: and you can support a really great shot.

1057
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: Catch the next episode on Friday, June ninth for a mailbag,

1058
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: plus an interview with Spider Man India Comics writer Nikesha Shukla,

1059
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: and a little rundown on Miguel O'Hara. Spider Man twenty

1060
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Speaker 1: ninety nine. The spoiler antagonist, the villain kind of from

1061
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: a Spider Man across the Spider.

1062
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: Verse, and in some sad news, Xtra Vision is taking

1063
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: a mini summer vacation. Not sad for us because we

1064
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: need a break, but maybe sad if you like listening

1065
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: to this show. There will be no episodes next week

1066
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: on both June fourteenth and June sixteenth, and we will

1067
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: be back on June twenty first. If you want to

1068
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,600
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1069
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Speaker 2: You can see full episodes of the show and check

1070
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1071
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: who listen to the show, who love all kinds of

1072
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: cool stuff, from superheros to Survivor and to sports and

1073
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Speaker 2: all kinds of rap things. And me and Jason are

1074
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Speaker 2: that too. Yay.

1075
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Speaker 1: Five star ratings, five star reviews. We need them, we

1076
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Speaker 1: gotta have them. You gotta get into us. Here's one

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Speaker 1: from nc flaw truly the best listen. I love x

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Speaker 1: ray Vision. I've wanted to get into comics for a

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Speaker 1: long time, but it was never sure where to start.

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Speaker 1: Jason and Rosie provide excellent recommendations in a way that

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Speaker 1: is inclusive of comics newbies and experts alike. The banter

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Speaker 1: between Jason Rosie is the best. I can't recommend this

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Speaker 1: podcast up. Thank you, Thank you, See You. X Time

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Speaker 1: by x ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The

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Speaker 1: show is produced by Chris Lord and Soul Rubin and

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Speaker 1: executive produced by me Jason Concepcio and our editing at

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Speaker 1: sound design is by Facillis Fotopoulos. Video production by Along

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Speaker 1: Villanueva and Rachel Gaieski. Social media by Awa Oklati and

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Speaker 1: Caroline Dunfe. Thank you to Brian Vasquez for our theme

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Speaker 1: Say