WEBVTT - Ep 126 OG Frog: Blood Origins 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.760 When I wrote, y'all all across the USC conton Motts 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:10.719 Bank to l a from on the California the Valley. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.320 We represent that Kelly County. So if you're keeping it 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.160 real on your side of your town, you tune into 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:22.599 Gangster Chronicles Gangster Goals. He gonna tell you how we 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.200 go if I lie my nose a girl like Pinocchio. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.120 We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:32.680 truth Gangster Chronic Goals. This is not your average show. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.720 You're now tuned into the Reil M c A. Bick, 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:47.159 James and Big Stails the streets. Hello, we like to 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.559 welcome everyone to another edition of the Gangster Chronicles podcast 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.760 Number my homeboy, Big Jake and Big I'll let you 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.800 allow you to do the introductions today. Ain't too many 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.280 words to say about this brother right here. You know, 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.000 you old school. He's he's been around along time and 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.840 then did time in prison. And I just want to 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.160 say I'm glad to have him here to educate us, 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.520 because I didn't learned a lot from listening to him 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.560 talking to him on the phone, and uh, he makes 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.680 a lot of valid points. So we're gonna let him 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.039 say his name and bringing in and show us what 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.360 he's working with. Green is my brother's assistants. I go 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.880 by the handle of my African name is Hannibal cam Boon, 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:36.200 which means uh. Hannibal itself means grace to the people. No, 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.399 cam Boon itself means love for the people, and Hannibal 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:46.200 means uh, the oppressor being suffered by a lightning boat. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.760 So a lightened boat to the oppressor and love for 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.360 the people. That's what Hannibal Camba means. Now. I want 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.760 to also let you know that everybody know me already, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.480 but they also call me Original Frog a k A. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.400 Triple o G Frog. And the subject today is based 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.200 on the truth. That's the name I'm gonna name this. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.560 This this this episode right here is called the truth 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.600 I'm saying. And I believe in the truth, you know, 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.200 And it's it's kind of strange how things operate in 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.600 life sometimes sometimes, you know, we get caught up and 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.680 to just going by he say and she say. Things 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.120 are what a person say instead of investigating, you know. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.360 And this is gonna be somewhat of like U are 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.400 hearing like a courtroom hearing. In a sense, we're dealing 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.519 with facts we're dealing with evidence, we're dealing with things. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.760 We're dealing with things of that can become uh what 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:47.480 you call uh without challenging some things you can't even 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.720 challenge in life. It is what it is, you know, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.560 A C King Bubba Louis, that's my boy right there. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.240 And you know it's something that he said that I 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.920 would always keep with me. He said, when you speak 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.560 on something, you better have some them to bag it 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.080 up with, because if you don't have nothing to bag 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.200 it up with, that's all it is. It's just talk, 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.000 you know, and talk his cheek. My brother a picture 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.040 says a thousand words. Witness also says a thousand words 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.160 that can get you convicted. So my whole point is 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.520 the truth, all right, let me let me, let me 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.920 er Jake, let me come in here. When you say 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.800 the truth is that is you're speaking on the truth 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.640 of the history of how uh we came about gang 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:34.000 banging and what what our neighborhoods meant and how they 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.880 started what I mean the truth? Like well, a C 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.720 King Bubba Louis, he had a dispute about the truth. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.280 We're dealing with the brother Brown from from the West 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.440 Side named Elgin, you know, and that got kind of 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.320 heated because of I think it had a lot to 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.640 do with ego tripping, you know, who's right and who's wrong. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.480 But in reality though, you know, for those who were there, 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.320 you know, that's what it basically boils down to. I 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.440 was there, you know, I walked on Poarou Street in 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.960 seventy four and seventy five. I was there kicking it 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.480 with Tab, I'm saying and putting in seventy and seventy 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.560 five before Tab got killed. So I knew these guys 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.400 like Terry Carter and Ronnie Graham. So my whole thing 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.440 is that being that I know these guys personally and 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.200 I know they evolved. It evolved in from Pararaou Street. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.599 A lot of people don't understand that this just didn't 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.200 happen overnight. This this was is something that just popped up. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.960 This was uh what you call evolution, you know, and 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.680 the evolution was this that people still don't want to 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.680 uh believe. But I don't know why they don't want 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.960 to believe, because maybe because the Brims have a longer 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.000 history than the Powerus and then the Bounty Hunters. I 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.039 guess they feel that, you know, ages. There's nothing really 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.080 but the number when it comes to this right here. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.320 Because history has something to do with how can I 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.960 say the origin and what is the origin? This is 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.440 the origin right here. Let me show you the origin 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.000 brand New. I bought this just to show you something 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:11.120 right here, This right here is the origin of the bloods, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.280 the real bloods. I'm saying that I know that I 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.760 grew up with. This is the origin. And when I 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:22.200 was in Centennial High nineteen seventy four, I never seen 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.920 a red rag in my life claiming to be parru 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.000 until I went to Centennial in seventy fold. Nobody had 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.400 the red ban downa at Lock High. Before I went 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.320 to Centennial, I was there with Peabody from west Side 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.760 dever Lay. I was there with Little or with Arthur 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.359 Ray a little art from at this part. He was 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.560 there him in black glove. From at this part. Nobody 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.840 had the red ban downa in seventy fold. Nobody you know, 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:53.000 but the par rouge. When I touched down, I would say, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.560 November seventy fold, the red rag or the red band 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.480 downa or the red flag as people want to call it. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.359 All it met was just one thing in Compton and 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.640 it didn't mean nothing else, and I never saw it 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.840 nowhere else in Los Angeles. And the word that they 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.320 used for that red bandanna was pi rule. So from 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:17.480 from from the Nickersons to the Swans, nobody had that. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.920 Nobody had that red bandanna. And it's kind of strange 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.440 that the backup possess. I just saw a video of 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.960 the origin of the Peace Stone with T. J. Rogers 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.080 Rest in Peace, and he made a statement saying, back 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:35.839 in nineteen sixty nine, everybody was saying cause, and everybody 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.480 was wearing a blue rag, which is not the truth. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.120 When he comes to Compton and watched my brother. And 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.600 the reason why I'm saying that because I didn't hear 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.360 the word cause until like seventy four, and I didn't 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.839 hear the word blood until about like seventy folk seventy five, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.800 and the red bandanna and all that seventy four seventy three. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.320 This stuff did not happen in the early seventies, seventies 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.240 seventy one. That's it's not true at all. Hey, let's 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.080 pay some bills real quick and we can get right 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.440 back to y'all. Can I ask you a question for 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:12.120 the people, How did the rear rag originate, like just 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.520 just the symbolic, just the symbolism of how did how 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.520 did that come about? Well, everything always have a reaction, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.240 my brother, for at one time it was white powered 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.160 by the Cluekluk Klan. And what did we say in retaliation? 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.600 Black power? Okay, when the Compton Cripts start wearing their 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.360 blue rags after Buddhoog got killed, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.080 The Compton Cripts, the West Side Cripts, everybody start wearing 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.360 blue rags. The Bloods didn't have nothing because we was 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.000 in no bloods at the time. But when the Paru 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:44.560 seen that blue rag, that opposition at Centennial that the 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:49.640 apache is also known as a red The Centennial was 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.320 painted red in burgundy also, so that can also be 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.640 a clue for to give them the flag the red bandanna. 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.960 But they took that red from Centennial and made it 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.240 into a bandanna. And when it became a bandanna, they 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.720 took it to hy t S and when they took 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.720 it to White t S, it became a blood rag 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.160 and not a part room rag no more. And how 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.000 and why would I say that is because let me 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:21.480 uh tell you lb and little events is the original 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:26.480 Power Rules who pushed that bloodline that took the place 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.880 up Paroule. They pushed that all the way to the 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.920 Bonny Hunters and gave the Bonny Hunters who threw up 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.480 the bee. As in Bonny Hunters, the first bee came 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.720 from Bonnie Hunter, and they took that bee and brought 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.400 to be two bloods. And the Paru took the bandanna 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.400 and brought the bandanna into bloods. So they collaborated and 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.320 they started to be and the Red rag as one 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.600 that came into bloods. So it's a collaboration. The original 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.720 b is Bonny Hunter slash blood. The original red Flag 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:05.079 is Pareru slash blood. Together, they collaborated and started bloods, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.520 simple as that. Now for us the West Side, I 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:14.080 know this for a fact from my understanding. I was 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:19.760 told that Jacomo said that he was fabricating. He confessed, 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.000 and I'm glad that he did that because I was 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:26.960 very angry at Jacomo because my homeboys help push this line, 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.040 lost their lives in the process of all this, getting 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.600 gunned down, you know, ambushed and all these type of things. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.120 So yes, I had an attitude and still do kind 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.360 of got an attitude towards an individual who would actually 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:44.000 fabricate on purpose just for the sake of a family member. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.720 You know, I believe in this. We all need to 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.320 have principles. Principles in life. Is this just because your 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.720 homeboy is a rapist, that don't have to make you 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.120 a rapist. You can tell your homeboy, hey man, that's 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.440 not right what you're doing, and that makes you a 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.800 real man. That don't make you know buster, That don't 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.440 make you less stuff a gaster because you have principal. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.319 So don't follow what other people do because they're doing it. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.960 Have be be a leader in your own right and 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.720 stand up and know what is right and what is wrong. 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.880 Now in this game thing of today, what we have 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.480 mixed up more than anything is that we don't have 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.640 forgiveness in our hearts. That's the key thing, right. We 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.400 didn't have forgiveness in our heart back in our days 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.000 when we when we were game banging. That the average 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.040 game member that really got out there and participated and 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.080 being a I'm talking about a real game banger, not 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.199 a gang member. We didn't. We didn't we didn't have 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:46.920 a heart did ship. But but the eighties took it 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.120 to another direction. My problem but that but it was 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.400 the same. It's just it's just a fall back off 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.600 of the old school ship because the old school just 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:00.320 saying like my generation before me trying to a dog 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.040 them where the tone that they were setting, they set 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.520 the tone for us. And then when the co Kaine 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:11.280 came in and you know, everybody broke apart and start 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.440 doing their own thing. Now and here we got you know, 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.120 now we got more shootings. There ain't no fightings because 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:18.640 I remember we used to get on our bikes and 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:23.360 go to certain neighborhoods and fight. But the gunplay came. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.439 I was shot in nineteen eighty right here in my chest, 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.920 and uh, that was the day I said the sticks, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.920 the bats and all that ship and took it to 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.560 another level. If this is what you're gonna do to me, 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.000 this is what I got for you. So I don't 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.160 have to torment you by being your ass a certain 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.920 kind of way, stab you and all that other bullshit. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.480 I'm gonna take it in. It's easier walk away from 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.320 it and don't hear nothing about it. Just don't talk 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:56.840 about it. But today people get shot because of the 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.160 color of the shirt you got on. So it's a 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.040 big difference. But I think we got away from the 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:07.199 old school way, y'all way doing it a certain kind 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.000 of way and then bam, Like I mean, I look 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:11.920 at this book and it's got a lot of stories 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.000 in it. So tell me where we fell off that 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.199 as gang members. Well, I want to I want to 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.000 splain it to you this right. I'm gonna use a 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:27.720 brother for example, that came against from what the book says, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:33.080 four hundred cribs and did not get stumped out. And 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:37.040 Bulldog was the leader, second in command, and he goes 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.720 by the name of Rhea a k. A. Ray. Boys, 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.240 all you have to do is read a C book 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.920 and you would see, Hey, this guy was no joke. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.160 What I'm saying. There's a picture that will be shown 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.000 of him. You know, the a C explained to him, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.760 explained to the world better than I did in the 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:01.040 in a sense, because you know, uh, for individual to 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:05.800 get surrounded by a compound of crips around four hundred 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.080 and they do not do nothing to him, you know, 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.400 that is very very unusual. That kind of like remind 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.160 me of how can I put it? That reminds me 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.280 of Bruce Lee in a sense I can remember when 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.840 I should watch Bruce Lee. Everybody was surrounding him, but 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.360 they was afraid to really attack him. He had to 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.080 timid date them for them to make the first move. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.200 So you know you have some people man that you 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.200 know they respect people who know how to fight. You know, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:40.480 there there is honor a mind's uh individuals and even groups. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.240 At certain time period, he got away with that because 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.240 it was a certain time period. Time brings on the 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.880 big chance that though so at one time in gangsterism 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.120 rules beef most of that wast cuffs. People used to 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.439 go out there in box correct fistic cuff and that's 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.560 what it's all about. Back in nineteen of any Folk, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.480 nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy two. Now, don't get me wrong, 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.960 they had individuals that was getting a snipe that had 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.719 reputation like Chocolate. You know, he got sniped by at 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.520 this part boy at lock High. And it didn't have 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.000 nothing to do with no figure Roy Boys as took 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:23.760 you would say in his book which is Blue Rays 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.680 Black Redemption, you know what I'm saying. And in his 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.560 book he said Chocolate was killed by a figure Roy Boy. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.880 I don't know why he said that. I knew already 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.280 history already knew that he laid the foundation down, that 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.320 it was at this part boys. And to give me 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.240 a sense of thought of maybe he didn't want to 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.280 give Anti cript the credit for that. That's the only 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.120 way I could come up with that white. Maybe he 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.280 didn't want to just really put it out there like that. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.680 But I understand that we all have pride, you know, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.160 and we need to set the pride down and come 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.440 with the truth. And the truth of the matter is, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.880 you know, don't change the script because of your dislike 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.960 or because of your pride and arrogant You have to 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.840 keep that real for the simple fact because all them 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:11.520 brothers Cripton bloods who perished behind this not sense, And 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.840 I say it again, not sense. You're saying they need 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.880 to be I ain't gonna say honor, but they don't 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.440 need to be disrespected. Also, I would say that I feel, 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.400 are you telling the lie on somebody who died for 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.440 something that they believe in. I think that's that's a 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.280 slap in the face. I believe the old saying used 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.040 to be, Hey, that brother turning over in his grave. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.320 You know what I'm saying. Behind what you just said, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.640 and by that statement turning over in your grade mean 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.520 that means whatever you did, you made a dead person 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.240 disgusted of you to turn over in their grade. So 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.480 when you sit up there and you bring on uh 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:54.640 episodes on, well, uh, ray Boys was a fighter and 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.520 he never picked up a gun. So therefore, uh, my 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.040 shot caller, which is Raymond Washington, he never picked up 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.040 a gun. Also such as what cuts would say, such 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:09.240 as for the cookie would also say, But I'm here 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.560 to let you know that there's books here that I 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:17.280 can elaborate from a C King Bubba Louis original power 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:21.000 route he had it in his book, and letting you 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:26.320 know the truth about this, comrade Raymond Washington, the original 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.960 east Side Crims, because any cripts came, Bubba Louis was 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.040 original original. He was there day one with Raymond for 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.360 at least about a year or two. Raymond Washington, okay, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:43.480 nineteen sixty nine, nineteen sixty nine, Raymond Washington, uh uh 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.880 and a C King Bubba Louis was uh road dogs together. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.280 And when a C. Bubba Louis became a part rule 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.240 and start banging with pot Roue because he got shot 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.520 up by some Compton cribs and in a drive by 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.000 a motorcycle incident. He had a to fire this heart 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:05.199 behind that, so he didn't focus on He didn't focus 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.240 on any cribs. He focused only on Compton. He said 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.840 it himself. He had nothing to gainst the east Side Crips. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.840 Those his loved ones. But the Compton Crips though, was 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.080 his most hated enemies, and he proved that by even 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.879 going to y A for a murder. So I cannot 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.600 take nothing from a C because he's a real warrior. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.600 He's also a real warrior to the point where he 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.720 got down told and told with one of the toughest goliath. Yeah, 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.400 goliath like in David and Goliath, James Miller. I hate 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.000 to say it, but they call him James Miller the 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.760 brim Killer. And he was bigger than Tookie. Him and 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.440 a C Kim Baba Louis they squared off in juven 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.359 On Hall. So just by a C squaring off with 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.960 a big goliath like that, that showed me automatically that 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.680 he believed what he stood folk when he became pirou. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.639 You know, we have to understand that, uh, this this 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.640 gang activity is kind of similar like religion. If I 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:04.520 claim to be a Christian or Muslim, and I decided 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.440 to change my faith. Like Malcolm, he did the same thing. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.960 He once believed that all white folks was devil, but 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.320 then he went to Mecca and he's seen that there 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.879 were white folks also in Mecca. So his whole perspective 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.760 and his whole view of humanity dealing with Islam was 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.320 different than what he was being taught as white devil 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.639 because he was breaking bread what is Muslim brothers and Mecca? 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.480 And he found out the culture there was not racist? 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.760 So how can he be racist when Islam is not racist? Now? 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.520 Can I ask you a question for aug You know 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.360 what the advent of the internet that gives different people voices. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.240 Sometimes that's for the better. Sometimes, as we see, is 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.000 for the worst. There's a lot of bullshit that's out 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.040 there too, right, how much of the stuff do you 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.879 think online the day of the people seeing as accurate? Well, 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.600 that's a good question right there, because that's kind of 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.880 hard to this say. The only way I would think 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.600 that our individual can come up with truth. It's just 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.640 like when you study the Bible, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.239 If you study anything that your heart is deeply into it, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.600 you're gonna research it to the point to where you're 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.720 not biased enough to say, well, let me read the 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.240 only Koran, Well let me read the Torah. Sometimes you 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.480 have to know how to put the puzzle together. That 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.000 this is a big puzzle to me. You know, I 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:21.000 once told somebody that this reminds me of gumbo, and 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.320 that you know that the word gumbo and Swahili it 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.800 means okra, and without okra in your gumbo, you don't 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.320 really have real gumbo. So I look at myself as 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.480 an ocra of the gumbo. I'm trying to keep it real, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.200 keep the gumbo real, and without me telling the truth, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.439 I don't think that it would be real because I 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.680 don't think that they have real enough guys around to 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.679 stand up for the real. You know, people might dislike 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.520 me behind the real, but you know what, Hey, they 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.439 just like Jesus, They just like Malcolm, and they're just 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.720 like a whole lot of other people who stood up 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.560 for the truth. The King died for the truth. It's 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:04.119 a lot of people like go to guys. Because I 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:08.880 can't nobody at thirty forty tilled the history of bloods 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.359 are crips. Can't nobody sit here at forty and tell 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:16.800 me about Raymond Washington, Pooky or none of these guys. 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:18.880 I get it from my uncle's name that was there, 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:23.000 that that's of that age sixties seven sixty eight years 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:27.760 old at this time. Now, Um, you got a lot 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:34.000 of misconception out there what CRIPS was supposed to be, 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:38.439 or what it meant, or what Raymond Washington wanted it 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.640 to be, and it wasn't this what you see today. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.760 You know what I'm saying. You got you got bloods 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:48.159 out there, such as yourself, coming with with real facts 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.960 and the truth. Because a lot of these older guys 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.880 is getting out of prison after doing thirty forty one 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.359 years and they're saying, this is bullshit. Why the fuck 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:00.600 I come home to this? This is what I gave 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.600 my forty years for. You know what I'm saying. I'm 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.440 speaking for those dudes in Vain. You know what I'm saying. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.680 I didn't did thirty one years. Marcus just got out 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.480 doing thirty one years LB. And there's so many brothers 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.680 that lost their lives believing that this is the way 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.880 it's supposed to be and it's not. It's You've got 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.439 guys out there just call the false prophetis speaking on 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.280 something and and pretending to be the Messiah of the 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.680 par rouge, the Messiah of the crips. And if if 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.080 they don't know the history and can't really sit down 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.919 and tell you the history of this, where do we 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.640 go to. Let me ask you this question, is any 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.400 particular person that you prefer to when you said that, No, No, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:48.720 I don't. I don't. I don't think that's necessarily Okay, Well, 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:53.280 we're gonna keep the line moving. I'm just don't keep 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.439 it one hunting with you. You know, I do not 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.879 like fabrication when it comes to this game history. And 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.879 the reason why because I don't see so many people 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.080 doing life in prison, so many people don lost their 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:08.280 life and you know, in the graveyard pushing up daisies, 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.720 and I think that it's like, you know, so disrespectful 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:14.240 for those who did keep it real. But let me 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.960 ask you this, fro have you seen anybody out there 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.119 just saying stuff that it just gets up under your 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:23.280 skin because it's so off the cuff. That's a good question. Again. 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.280 I like you, man, you answer the question that I 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:31.440 want to answer. Well. Number one is this I understand man, 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:35.560 that the things that we did in life is very shameful. 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.320 It's really nothing to brag about. You know, people that 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.679 lost their mothers kids don't lost their life sitting at 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.400 the bus stop. You know, people don't lost their life 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:46.679 just because they want to wear burgundy or blue and 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.879 they have nothing to do with game banging. So we 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:51.960 have all this negative energy. But then you want to 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.199 stop it off. We're not telling the truth, you know, 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.679 and I believe that, you know, it's very shameful. On 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.919 the thing means that we did, you know, because this 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.400 stuff was real wild. And what I mean by wow, 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.040 I mean it gets down to the point where people 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.120 even start running at each other houses and stuff like that. 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.800 But I just want to say this right here and 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:20.200 right now. The only thing, and Wat's that I knew 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:26.480 in l A that fed the people, sold newspaper to 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:30.080 the people, or gave people free newspaper of literature. And 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.240 the only thing they were saying was off the pigs. 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.120 They wasn't taking leather coast, all the leathern coasts they 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.600 had on. I'm quite sure they went and bought them 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.800 or their congrads gave it to him. And that was 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.439 the Black Panther Party. I remember them like yesterday, you know, 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:45.639 and that and that's what I call love. When you 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:49.040 feed somebody and you educate somebody, you know, and you 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.919 and you want to protect somebody from the system that be, 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.200 the power that be, which is evil against your own community. 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.239 Those are my type of heroes. You know what I'm 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:02.040 saying now. When we came out with the negativity, the 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.840 Crypts and the Bloods fighting each other. You know, instead 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.159 of following behind the Black Panthers are picking up the 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:14.639 guns and practicing revolution, we was practicing self destruction against 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.840 each other. We didn't have no dialogue or nothing. Everything 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.720 was always to find a reason not to come together, 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.399 then to find a reason to come together. But we 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.720 all accepted that we are. I think I think every 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.320 game banger that's that exists today that are used to 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.960 game bank, we all accepted our titles are roads in 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.359 the hood or what we are, what we're gonna be. 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.320 And I think at one point, and I can speak 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.400 for myself, you might walk out the door and might 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.080 not come back through this door today. You know, you 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:50.119 accepted death by doing what we're doing, you know what 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.480 I'm saying, Because you might it might be your day 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.480 you get caught up. So I mean, I think it's 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:59.520 rougher than that. Uh, we didn't look at the black panthers. 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.920 We didn't cat what the dope was doing to the 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.600 to the to our neighborhoods. We didn't look at uh 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.639 that cat that's next to us. We didn't. We didn't. 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.840 We didn't give it. We didn't give a funk. And 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.040 that's where our life was at. So my whole thing 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.840 is trying to educate these young cats that we have 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.600 out here today that don't notice history, that don't don't 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:26.680 notice nobody in these pictures, like myself. You know what 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:30.199 I'm saying. Brothers that stood in the middle of the 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:34.880 street by itself and called everybody out come on this road. 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.000 And the mentality when I read that part in the 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:42.719 book where he had to monocot the cocktails, posted up 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.280 hide and waited till everybody walked up, and then when 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:51.080 the situation happened, they threw the cocktails. That strategical ship. 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.320 To me, I'm into that type of ship. I love 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.520 that type of ship. In my days, I didn't just 0:25:56.600 --> 0:26:02.240 go off and just feel like just Bam, I planned 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:05.760 my ship. But what least you're confesses and That's what 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.600 I like. I like brother who can just confess, even 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.280 even if it's even if it's wrong. The confession is 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.920 good for the soul because that means you you you, 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.760 you're not in denial. It just brings me back to 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.320 you know, this is what we used to be, like 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:23.920 just like O G. Frog, just like Uh China Dog 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:27.000 and all all the guys. You know, these cats is 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:30.400 coming home from thirty one years. They're not looking at 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.040 who they used to be before they went. Because I 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.720 believe everybody that went to prison and did forty for 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:40.960 for the hood or kill somebody for the hood or 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:46.600 day they h the opposite side and then get out, 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.120 you don't see that. You don't when you come home 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:52.280 and something totally different. Everything was there is gone. So 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:56.359 now they're looking at this ship like, man, this ship 0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:00.680 was for nothing. I didn't. I gave a already fucking 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.840 years for nothing. I believe my brother not to cut 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:07.800 you off. I believe that there's a word or saying 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.440 that they used to say back in the sixties, and 0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.720 I think that it's still true right today. And I 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.480 don't know if they used to in word when they 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.760 said this, but I used to hear this and I 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.320 truly believe this, and I'm gonna use it in a 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:26.720 respectful way. I think Black people it's afraid of revolution. 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.479 That's why we kill each other. I think we're afraid 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.639 to go against the system. The system is still our master, 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:36.120 so we don't kill master just saying, well, another slave, 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.239 we would kill him because why he's worthless, you know. 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.520 And now we have the Tennessee. We have the Tennessee 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:47.440 of saying, not everybody, but some individuals have a tendency 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:52.080 of coming with the thought. Are the romantic version of 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.959 that Crypts and Bloods at one time was revolutionary. They 0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.280 were fighting the police. That's nowhere in history where the 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.560 beginning of the Crypts and Bloods came out fighting against 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:08.760 the police or calling their self revolutionaries for the community. 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.280 My thing is this, my brother, You know what I'm saying. 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.560 It's good to have that train of thought. Once you 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.760 learn about yourself in prison or somebody teach you that 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.720 in Islam that is about self love and love for 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.240 your brother. That's a good thing to do. Brother. But 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.920 for us, the beginning of this, brother, we was all teenagers. Man. 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:31.159 We wasn't thinking like uh, George Jackson. We wasn't thinking 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:34.639 like uh Huey Newton. We didn't have that mentality. A 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.960 matter of fact, the go deeper a c Bubba Louis, 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:42.600 King Bubba Louis, he said himself that the Crypts with 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:46.480 Raymond Washington did not have no principles and morals of 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.320 defending the community. They wasn't even about that. King Bubba 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.760 Louis himself says that they was about taking leather coats 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.560 and beating people down. And now I just wanted to 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.360 just read this very quick to you to see what 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.480 King Bubba Louis had to say about Raymond Washington being 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:08.360 armed with a firearm compared to Gray boys who never 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.800 used the firearm. I just wanted to see what King 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.280 Bubba Louis has to say in his book, which is 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:19.680 called The Starting Lineup. I'm quite sure it's a blockbuster 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.560 seller now, so we all know where where I'm probably 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.920 going with this, and where I'm going with this is 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:29.320 this putting that putting on Parous Street had a big 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.720 brother named Sakai. They got into an incident with the 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.680 original crips at Gonzalez Park because they was in Parouh 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.120 hood at that time. So what had happened was the 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.080 pararouse heard about it and they went up there knowing 0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.120 that there was outnumbered. But what they did they rushed 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.720 the guy that was on the outskirts of the crowd, 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.239 maybe by father. Six guys got beat down by some 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.400 powerus on the outskirts and Raymond and the crowd heard 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.880 about it. So what did Raymond do he with the 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:01.360 Pararous Street, with all the crips to go deal with 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.680 these pious who just did a sneak attack against them 0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.880 and Paru Hood at Causal's Park. And I just want 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.440 to read this real briefly, and I just want to 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.920 elaborate on this and see what the brothers have to 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:17.560 say about the the gunplay as we would call it 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.560 of Raymond Washington. And this is from King Bubba Louis. 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.080 This is not from me. I'm getting this from somebody 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:28.320 who was right there day one. And this is what 0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:33.840 the word of a c King Bubba Louis said. Once 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.280 back to Parous Street, we waited for a possible counter 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.640 crip attack on Parous Street itself. We waited with Marti 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.360 cocktails in hand on both sides of the street, hiding 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.800 our weight. Wasn't long within an hour or so, the 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:55.840 crypts mask onto Central Avenue, interest to Parou and such 0:30:55.920 --> 0:31:00.160 numbers that as they proceed down Parus Street, we could 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.720 not see past them. Once again, it had to be 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:07.840 a hundred or more. As they approached where we were 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.280 in hiding, they were not aware or where we were hiding. 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:18.000 Saki came out of hiding this putting brother Sakai with 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.520 an African spear in his hand and stood in the 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.000 middle of the street and announced, this is sack I 0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:30.080 X Avenue and now Paru me and Raymond Washington can 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:34.240 settle this issue head up. One of the crypts said 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.280 to Raymond, he's calling you out. So instead of Raymond 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.640 meeting this challenge head up, he ran up the middle 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:47.200 of the crypts towards Saka, shooting a gun. When Raymond 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:52.640 starts shooting, we who were in hiding, launched our Marti cocktails, 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:58.000 causing the crypts to retreat. Sakai somehow was able to 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:02.680 proceed them Parou Street, resulting in all the crypts fleeting 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:07.640 Parou Street. Now this is King Bubba louis a c 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.600 This is his book. This is not my book. This 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:13.120 is his story, This is not my story. Do I 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.560 believe it. Yes, I believe it. And the reason why 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:21.760 I believe it because a C love Raymond. Raymond is 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.880 not a C enemy. He still loves Raymond. He'll let 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.920 you know he still loves Raymond. And board Dog. He 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:32.160 had no reason to sit here and fabricate on Raymond Washington. 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:37.400 But the truth is that Raymond was a gunner and 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.400 he shot up Parou Street. Now you can call a 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:46.120 C a lie, but he know Raymond before anybody just 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.800 about who was there, because he was there from the beginning. 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:50.760 So the only one that can call him a life 0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.280 probably is board Dog and get away with it because 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:57.280 he was chain of command number two. Do anybody want 0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:03.200 to elaborate on that subject? Another case right there, one 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.520 brother willing to go head up another brother with a gun. Okay, 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:08.360 So that was kind of like the thing, like, that's 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.240 what I want to know. When did the pistol play 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:14.480 really start up? Like the pistol play, my brother? That's 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.880 kind of heavy, man, that's real heavy when you say 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.720 the pistol play, because that right there, it is just 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.040 about the beginning. That's before the brim even got murdered, 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.880 when country was even dead. Yet this is the beginning 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:35.520 at cooking up right here. This Molotov cocktails. You know 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.160 that sounds like the military. I know, I know. Before 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.320 seventy one they was using the zip guns and then 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:45.280 they introduced that and the dirty Age special that was 0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:50.000 in the sixties. Uncle Willie used to carry zip gun 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:55.840 in the sixties. Uncle t thirty eight in the late sixties. 0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:01.600 So they always had guns because back then, robbery was 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.680 a motherfucker at that time. That's how brothers was getting 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:10.640 their money. And you had the like with with with 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.600 and and oh my god, just what you read right there. 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:20.960 It's what I've been talking about the whole time. Whether 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.360 what is it gonna show us to say that where 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.480 we at today is wrong opposed to where they were 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.880 at and their time was right. They was doing it 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:35.040 totally different. It's pretty much the same ship. But then 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:38.640 it just more, it just advanced more, and and when 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:43.160 it got to me, it was full fledged. So we 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:47.640 can't stop it now, We can't stop it now? How 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:49.960 do we how do we take the history of what 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.200 your brothers broun to the table and turn it around 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:57.520 and and and shove this bullshit down the stoat? Well, 0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:00.719 I would say that and defense of Raym because I'm 0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.680 gonna tell you the true brother to know the only 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.160 solution I know. I only know one solution. Matter of fact, 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.759 I know to solutions. My number one solution is I 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:13.680 believe only God can change everything. Everything. When I tall everything, 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.360 I mean everything for the better. I don't think a 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.359 man can do it. I don't think so. I don't 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.200 think a man can do it. I think only God 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:21.840 can do it. I've been on this earth for sixty 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.040 three years. I think only God can do it. So 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:28.320 you don't think if if these youngsters here your story 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:33.840 came by theolution story, a China dog story, LB story, 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.800 accept the Anne story, all of these old g s 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.719 coming out and telling the truth about what the funk 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.920 it is? Part handed my brother. I handed you was 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:46.359 once hard handy who can tell you anything. I'm kind 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:52.560 of nobody in their position. Put yourself in their position 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.600 to think how you were, and that that's all you 0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.840 have to do. And that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.160 I've thought about that many times. That's why I can't 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.440 get on this on this platform and say these stupid 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.759 little motherfucker's I was a stupid, little motherfucking I can't 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.960 be contradicting. I can't be a hypocrite about this ship. 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:15.600 I always want them, Okay, So take from what I 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:20.239 know and how I'm thinking now and apply to a 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.920 fourteen fifteen year old, Because if you're thirty five and 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.000 forty five and fifties still out there gangbanging, ain't no 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:32.160 saving you. This is what you want to do. Some 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:36.239 of us are trapped. So how do we get out 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.399 of that, out of the mr being trapped and and 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.759 listen and understanding what we see here? Well, I have 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.840 to think one thing because my conscious is really getting 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.680 the best of me on this, and not to push 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:51.480 whatever you're saying to the side, but to try to add, 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:55.040 to understand it, onto this, onto this subject. And I 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.840 would say this, we have to look at the Raymond 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.560 side of the point of view. Also, he's only human. 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:02.719 If a man is in the middle street with a 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.640 spear calling you out in front of your homeboys, I'm 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:10.080 saying into your homeboys, whisper in your ear, what are 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.080 you gonna do? And you're supposed to be the shot 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:15.040 caller and they're looking at you, they're saying, and he 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.359 got a spear in his hand. You know you need 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:20.719 to do two things. Put down a spear and let's 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.480 get down, or you could do another thing. You can 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:27.839 get an equalizer. You're saying something that maybe over an equalizer, 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:31.120 you know. Uh. I look at it as a blessing 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.840 that he didn't kill the brother, you know, so maybe 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.360 he shouldn't have picked up the spear anyway. But the 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.120 only point that I'm making exist they have some people brother, 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.319 that walked this earth. No matter what you do, how 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.479 you want to fight, they're gonna take the lower role 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.000 in the lord road, the lord row. See. The higher 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.400 road to me in my mind, is is a person 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:59.439 who thinks that they are superior over somebody. The crypts. Yes, 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.800 they they superior over all the games that was existing 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.120 against him, you know. And I hate to say this, 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:10.600 but man, they was dangerous man. There was some dangerous 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.680 brother man, and Raymond had to push that line to 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.640 show his power. Still, you know, he ruled with an 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.319 iron fish, my brother, so maybe that pistol that was 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.759 made out of iron. Maybe he wanted to rule with 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.040 an iron pistol. So you know, either or iron fish, 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.200 iron pistol, he made his choice. And that's the bottom 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.279 line into this game thing it's your choice. It's your 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.480 choice if you want to fight a brother, and it's 0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.799 your choice if you want to kill a brother. So 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.080 I can't tell you what choice to make because that's 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:46.200 your choice. Hold that thought. We're coming right back. I'm 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.279 gonna go back to this question because I know we're 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:50.920 being like, Um, you know you're coming home because you 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:52.920 did some time. When did you come on? Brother? I 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:57.200 came home man two thousand and eight after doing sixteen 0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:01.280 years from Rodney Keen Riot. So I did that sixteen 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.480 that gave me thirty and I did half of it 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.000 and gave my heart to the Lord and I made 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:08.760 it out in halftime. Okay, So let me ask you this, brother. 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.600 So we got a situation of where you come home. 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:13.560 You're going in during the riots and you come out. 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.400 Technology is just way more advanced now at this point, 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.160 and you're looking online. Um, I don't know if it 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.480 was that point where people start really putting this type 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.600 of content out online, but you're looking at everything, right, 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:28.799 have you ever seen anything that what perturbs you the 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.920 most about the lives? Like, is there any particular person 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.719 or any anyone in particular You're just kind of going 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.960 at all of them. Are you speaking at for it 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:39.520 changed me changing my lifestyle. No, I'm talking about as 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.160 far as the brothers out here. That's kind of like, um, 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.480 you know, talking about gang history, but they out there 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:48.080 kind of perverting effects. Well, I would say this about 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:53.440 this man. You know, I believe that you know, huh. 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.480 I hate to go religious on you, but I believe 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.960 in the word of God so much to the point 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:03.040 that stone reason why I believe I truly really stopped 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:08.759 you know, uh, soltlude people and shooting people and even 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:12.640 fighting people, because I believe that what really makes you 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.719 a man is forgiveness. What really makes you a man 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.800 is turning the other cheek because you know what, my brother, 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.759 is easy to catch your murder out here. And then 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.560 when you get stuck up in there. You know what 0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.320 I'm saying, the first thing you're gonna say to yourself again, 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.520 I should have followed my first mind, you know. And 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.239 I think that love over ruge. Hey. I believe that 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:37.680 love overpower everything on this earth. And that's the hardest 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.920 thing for a person to do is show love to 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:44.319 an enemy. That's the hardest thing to show love to 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:48.720 someone who killed somebody that was your friend. Who killed 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:52.600 somebody that was your relative. Do you remember colors by 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.880 Iced Tea. He said, it wasn't your brother who brutally died, 0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:00.480 but it was mine. So let me define my rhetory. 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.600 Don't cross the line. Don't try to act crazy because 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:06.920 the U won't fade me. You're run like a punk. Yeah, 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.200 that's what Ice t saying. I believe that it wasn't 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.279 your brother who poorly died. So sometimes you have to 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:16.319 understand that when people have cagedies on both sides. It's 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:20.040 like the hill buildings, It's like the Federal and and 0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.319 the Klansmen during the time of war when they were 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.719 the Confederate You know what I'm saying. Of course, the 0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:30.879 sleeve got the slaves was free by during the war, 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:34.400 uh with the clueklu klans as the Confederate army. But 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.040 you have to understand one thing. They did not forgive 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.120 the black people, but they forgave the white people and 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.640 became the part of the United States government. But they 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.160 still had that hatred for the slave because it's the 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:50.440 superiority trip. Who are you to live on the level 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.239 that I lived when my granddaddy had you in the 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:58.360 cotton fields and we have that same mentality. Who are you? 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.120 You know what I'm saying, what a little gag the 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:05.480 size of maybe ten people when I got a thousand people, 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.959 You're nothing to me. You're a buzzard, You're nothing. But 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.719 then again you have to understand, then, this is what 0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:16.120 I believe in. It's not the amount of people that exists, 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.320 it's the heart of the people that exists in that number. 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.200 So you can have a thousand cowards, what that have 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:27.000 to do with Dillingwood a hundred warriors. They're gonna lose 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.799 because guess what, They're going to retreat and they're gonna 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:34.880 keep on retreating because for the simple fact unestimation. Unestimation 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.800 is what got a lot of crypts and blood killed 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.120 today by thinking, Oh, I can go over here and 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:43.520 mess with this female on Hoover Street, or I can 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.320 go over here and mess with this female on Grandy 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:48.879 You know what I'm saying, But have you ever thought 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.440 about that the female that you are messing with on 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.080 Hoover Street a Grandy Street, or set you up to 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.319 get you killed. And that happened many times because you 0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:02.399 unestimate not only the crypts, but also oh undercovered crippolette 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.760 that sets you up. Well, that's to making the female 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.480 with that, and that's what happens that that's that's real 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:13.160 because every every all my baby mama's from the crips 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:23.319 from Hoover, uh i e south Side, all of my 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:28.759 baby mamas crips. And and trust me, my first seld 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:31.319 mama lived on a hunting in the eighteen so I 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.480 used to catch the bus straight up Rosecrans to San 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:39.440 Pedro and mob down San Pedro to her house just 0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:41.640 over there, just kicking it like it's the thing with 0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:44.880 with with Chuck Taylor's on in my red shoe strings 0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:48.560 and my little pistol and just mob and because we 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.600 didn't care back then. But they never fucked with me. 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:55.840 You was blast, you had you had to hand a 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.120 guy on you that that that's more that didn't make it. 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:00.920 That did made it. That's what I'm trying to tell you. 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.680 Then we didn't give a fucking we if that was 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.280 the game, that was the game, you know what I'm saying. 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.480 And then you know, we didn't pay attention to how 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.960 many people we heard by just hurting one person, how 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.200 many people we heard it just doing that one person 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.359 vice versa. We don't think about that the impact that 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.840 that that we had out there in the streets, you 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.120 know what I'm saying. And that's where we need to 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:30.279 get to. And these brothers right here, I mean, we've 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:33.279 been doing this ship for a long time, for a 0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:37.800 long time, and it was it was brothers like yourself 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:43.839 that I watched, watching China Dog them up under the headquarters, 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:47.160 Stanley pitched, and watching all of these brothers, how they 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:51.840 got down, how they moved, how those cats uh would 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:55.680 would be fighting in the park and nobody give up. Man, 0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:58.919 I gotta be like that, how China Dog could wave 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.160 his hands and all them eskin is what's up, homies? 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.759 What's up? Big homie? He had it sold up like 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:08.080 I don't know, fuck, you know, just just certain things 0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:12.839 about certain homies. I drew to that. I gravitated to that, 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.040 and I took a little something from China Dog. I 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.759 took a little something from Stanley Pitch. I took a 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.200 little something from both Jangles. I took a little something 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:24.200 from all of those guys and just wrote it all 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.479 up in one. That's how I'm rolling. So I can't 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.720 be denied of who I'm gonna be I can't be denied, 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.280 and I worked my ass off to be that motherfucker, 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:38.840 you know what I'm saying. But now the regret, the 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.680 regret it, and then we have I mean, this is 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.520 history right here, like some real cats, like in some 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:51.520 real life ship, but it's ten times worser now. And 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:55.000 then you got people lying on these cats that really, 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.520 like you, went to prison and fought those wars, and 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.200 then they come home and say they fought the war, 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.520 but they've never been a motherfucking prison. Well, you know what, 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.840 my brother, I'm gonna tell you something. Man. You know, 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:11.239 we all have our individuals who we look up to, 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.600 you know, and those who who I even look up 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.920 to myself. And Ray Boys and t V Clark. T 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:22.200 V Clark rest in peace. He just passed away. And 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.319 he's a historic co brother, just like Ray Boys. And 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.160 I have a picture of both of them. T V 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:29.480 is the one with the black hat on wearing all 0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:33.440 black and Ray Boys have a beige hat with a 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.880 black black band on it, wearing a blue shirt, and 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.920 he's smiling real real wide. These two brothers right here, 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.520 my brother, I know without a doubt, and can't nobody 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:46.560 tell me, but God, they didn't pick up no guns, brother, 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.280 back in the sixties and the seventies. Know what I'm saying, 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.160 Like I said before, these are our guns right here, 0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.960 my brother and I got that from them learning that 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:58.359 same thing with Craig Munster said sometimes, brother, you know, 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.319 you have to understand that what makes you more of 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.440 a man to me, as I had to mature and 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:08.600 the evolve into this mentality, what makes you more of 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:13.920 a man is when you can know how to protect 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.520 yourself from the shoulders. Because I want to tell you 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:21.240 something about that, my brother. What I'm saying, a coward 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.920 can shoot a gun, my brother, a coward can shoot 0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:26.839 a gun. And majority of us and I would I'm 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:30.560 I'm gonna put this lightly, majority of us as gang 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:34.440 members a k a. Gangsters that want to be on 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:38.239 the scene as a gaigster. The ones who like to 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:42.040 shoot up everything and don't fight, you know what I'm saying, 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.680 Those are the ones, brother, that need to be disciplined 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:49.920 to me to learn how to fight. You know, See, 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:53.200 do we we don't have no organization. We just do 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.359 things round the league. And so therefore by people doing 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.319 things round them league, they're not trained. They just do 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:03.760 as as they please. You know, like uh T Rogers 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:07.640 said himself, the Black Stones had principles, they had you know, 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.560 they trained each other, they knew, they had knowledge, and 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:13.680 they was an organization. We were not an organization. The 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.680 Cryptim Bloods. We didn't start organizing until we went to 0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.760 prison in Saint Quentin. And then folks him and Tracy 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.160 just like they had to organize, and Dwight Ts Ray 0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:26.719 Boys and Baba Louis and Little Vins and and l B. 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:31.120 They was all organizing. The Bondar Rugs. They took the 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:34.040 red bandanna which meant py u, and took the bonny 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.400 hunter sign which meant blood, and came together as Bondar rugs. 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:41.680 And that's organizing right there, to come together against the opposition. Now, 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.160 the same opposition we came against. We're black people who 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:48.720 we felt that was terrorizing the community. But what about 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:52.240 the police? Don't they terrorize the community. Why we so 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:55.759 so quick to take off on each other. But when 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.719 it comes to that guy, huh and that and that 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.640 black and white police are you're saying, when when when 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.520 when he comes on the block, first thing we want 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:08.440 to do is either run, drop our guns are surrender 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.040 and everything but if somebody come down, get ready to 0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:14.000 it drive by, you're gonna spray that whole car up. Right, 0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.120 self hate, my brother self hate what I'm saying, And 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.839 that's what I do. Just like about gang members who 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:26.600 do not have heard enough to stand up against the system, 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:30.719 like they stand up against their own people oftentimes. Um, 0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.239 what I do see a lot of time, man, there's 0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:36.960 a lot of self hatred just amongst black people period, 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.400 not just the gang bangers. Right because you look, um, 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:43.640 you will see brothers start to elevate and climb, you know, 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:46.239 and they climb it's like you're climbing the fence. And James, Um, 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.359 the way James described at one time was perfect because 0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:51.680 he said, it's like you're crawling over a fence and 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.080 you got a million motherfucker's grab next your ankles to 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:56.719 pull you back down. Right. Um. I think it's a 0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:00.080 lot of that. Um. We see things that have in 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:03.440 the community, we have bypassed that, but yet we go 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.160 slap the ship out of this brother over here that's 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:08.239 not bothering nobody. And I think a lot of that stuff, man, 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.960 was programmed in us. I believe the Willie Lynch letter, 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.360 all that stuff is very real man. I think a 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:17.680 lot of stuff is just strategy strategically in place now 0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:20.960 to destroy the black community. I really believe that if 0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:22.279 you look at it, if you look at some of 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.600 the stuff that's going on, even with the way gang 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:26.480 banging is set up in itself, you know what I mean. 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:29.279 It's like you look at the Nixon Gardens, right, you 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:33.759 have a place of property, right, it's property all through 0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.040 they don't. Nobody got nothing. So the one person that 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.960 does get something, whether that's legal or legal, whether that 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:40.719 it could be a brother just going down to the 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:42.440 docks and getting the job on the docks. You know 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.200 what I mean, you have a million motherfucker's mad at 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.480 him because he went and got that. How dare he 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.040 tried to progress? And now he's talking about now his 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.040 kids going to school, saying, yeah, we're about to move 0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.400 out of here, the other little kids here, that stuff like, 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.520 how dare they leave the six waste that they in? 0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:00.640 What do you think about that? Brok? But I believe 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.600 that misery love company my brother, you know, and even 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.680 sends it in the body with my brother. When people 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:07.359 go to hell and they go to the Lake of Fire, 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:09.600 they're gonna be cussing each other out in the name 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.319 of Satan because they're gonna be so tormented to where 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.560 your pain is gonna be hurting you so much, to 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.520 where you'll be taking it out on your neighbors in hell. 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.719 You know. So I understand what that dialogue means right there, 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.640 my brother. That means that people don't like suffering by theirselfs. 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:25.359 And when you come from a property area like that. 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:27.160 And if I remind me of a song when I 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.680 was a little boy back in the days, the Temptations 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.919 sing a song, don't let the jones get you down. 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:34.799 What I'm saying, if you see something you won't and 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:36.560 you know you can't afford it, you know what what I'm saying, 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:38.440 the best thing you to do is go work for it. 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.600 Don't be jealous of your neighbor because they got a 0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:43.680 new Cadillac. Go buy you a CADILLAK keep saying, save 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.440 up your money and get you something you know, uh. 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.760 And if you can't do that, you're saying, find something 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:52.840 uh constructive to do where you don't have to be 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:57.000 focusing on materialistic things exactly. And you know, speaking on that, 0:51:57.040 --> 0:52:00.800 I gotta give a shout out to my boy Anthony 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.800 Tiffic dude Dog from the Nixon Guardens, you know, startup 0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:06.960 top Dog Entertainment. He's one of the first entertainers I've 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:10.640 seen actually do everything right that comes from the gang life. 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:13.279 You don't see him out there, you know, he ain't 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:15.840 went and dropped, did no negative stuff. Hedn't win and 0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.160 got twenty thirty armies from the Nickersons and just take 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.000 out there and let him terrorize people. That ain't what 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.759 he did. He brings a concert there every year. He 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:26.200 employs people, you know what I mean. He he brings 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:28.160 some positive that he gives. He gives back to the 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:32.120 community in a positive manner. He's not one person. He 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.120 can't help everybody. But I do see him do some 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:37.600 amazing stuff over there. And you've got some people that 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:39.480 leave and just never come back. Why do you think 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:43.239 that is? Man, that's kind of heavy. My brother leave 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:45.600 and never come back. What do they leave to my brother? 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:49.759 You know, just catch that, you know, theoretically, escape and 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.480 make it out of there like they may make. They 0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:55.319 may it made him, you know, to escape out of there. 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:57.120 It may be you are simply is moving to the 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:58.560 ind of the empire. You may have got a good 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.359 job and just left went to them. Ain't never going 0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:03.839 back around here no more. Brother, you're talking about me. 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.360 I'm that man. I'm that man who only go to 0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:09.359 Nikos and Gordon average once a year, or every once 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.080 or tw twice a year, you know, every six months 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:13.919 or once a year. And I want to tell you why, 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.239 my brother. I love them brothers over there. I left 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.200 a lot of brothers over there I love. I got 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.920 love for Loaf Rinsey, I got love from them Lockboys 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.160 also we we I love them brothers, you know what 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.840 I'm saying. I love Snoop, I love them with them brothers. 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.479 You know, those my second generation brothers, and they're growing 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.920 up over there still. They've been there since the sixties, 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:33.239 in the seventies. And it's something about the love that 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.920 I have for them. Brother. I understand that it's not 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:39.320 easy for everybody to make transitions from out the project, 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.600 coming straight from prison. You got to have money, man, 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:44.799 to live in a nice neighborhood. And I was just 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:48.680 blessed enough to to to know a church foundation that 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:52.120 they gave me and my wife. They're what they called 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:54.799 it their credit to rent a house. I didn't have 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:57.120 no credit when I came home, I didn't have nothing. 0:53:57.360 --> 0:53:59.520 What I'm saying matter fact, you know, saying I was 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:02.399 living with for family members. Now I have something that 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.200 I have my family in and and that is something 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:09.440 that that that I really value. I value that. Guess 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:13.520 what it's like. It's like returning to slavery in a sense, 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.759 slavery is proverty. That's another sense of proverty, you know, 0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:18.360 And that's why they want to keep us at in 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:23.000 a slave like state of eating pork and throwing the 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:26.120 guts to to the slaves and were eating their leftovers. 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.760 That that's how they treat us in that sense. Right today, 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:30.840 you know, they don't give us the best food in 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:33.880 our community. You see a looking store and McDonald's everywhere, 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:37.400 But do you see uh farmer John's or whatever the 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.560 places that that that that they grow that organic food. 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.080 You don't see that in wants and comfort. So they 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.600 don't help our best interest, brothers. So what we have 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:49.480 to do put our money together, brother and start our 0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:52.960 own organic food supply because they're not going to give 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.160 it to us in their neighborhood. They're gonna put it 0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:58.839 in their own community. Now, the thing about an individual 0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:02.360 leaving the neighborhood and not wanting to come back. The 0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:07.400 only way I can see that if you truly, truly 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.720 make a one hundred I'm talking about one hundred percent 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.840 change in your mind and heart to the point to 0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:19.000 where some things that you're do in life, in some 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.200 places that you have been in life, in your mind, 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:25.399 it can be disgusting. In other words, it can be 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.359 tormented to you to the point to where you want 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:31.040 to never see that again. You don't want to even 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.360 come in contact with that norm. It's just like a 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:37.239 female being raped. You. You you get so term tormented 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:40.080 to where now you don't want to go down in 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.560 peril highway through wats. You don't want to go down 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.719 the one on five because it brings back bad memories. 0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:47.680 And you know, and and here it is now you 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.560 live in a luxury, a luxury life to the point 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:52.920 to where you want to leave all that behind you. 0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:56.840 And you know, that's what I call keeping the line moving. 0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:59.040 So you can't be mad at a brother because you 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:02.040 don't want to return to Oh No, never because I 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:05.240 left a place. I left the east side of Cleveland, Ohio, 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:09.560 and ain't winning back. Ain't never went back because it 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:12.680 was it's priority. It's a lot of priority. It's depression. 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:14.839 You know. You see homeboys that you come up with, 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:17.160 they get hooked on that dope or that they go to, 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.720 you know, prison just you know, just getting out of prison. 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:22.480 It's just like a revolving door almost up there, you 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:26.279 know what I mean. You see a brother staying, You 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:28.160 go back to the crib and you say, well, man, 0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:30.560 I ain't miss it because this dude right here, he 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:32.239 was just out when I came back, and now he's 0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:35.160 back in there. You know, it's a revolving door. And 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.239 that that takes me back to my point. Man, I 0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.680 believe a lot of this stuff is designed for it 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.040 to happen that way. Then I believe they didn't have 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:43.719 to do that hard of a job because I think 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:45.879 we are own worst enemies a lot of times. Yes, 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.880 it is. I just parolled fourteen years ago from a 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:51.600 California man's college and I was down there with my 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:55.759 partner named Marcellus Robinson from Compton. And you know that's 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:58.080 my boy right there, cec Rodder, that's my loved one 0:56:58.160 --> 0:57:00.759 right there. Just talk to him over the phone. Uh, 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:03.440 Mellie Mayle hooked es up together and I got love 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.600 for that brother, you know. And you know what we 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:10.040 have to understand, my brother, is that you know, uh, 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:12.600 some things can be very tormented my brother. You know, 0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:15.360 it would be just like, uh, they got some brothers 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:18.040 that hate prisons so much they'd rather die on the 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:20.120 streets than they go back to prison. They would they 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:22.560 would tell you, I'm holding court in the streets. And 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.520 I can understand that mentality because this pain is suffering 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.760 to live through. That is suffering, my brother. It takes 0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:32.040 a very strong individual man to do forty years, to 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:35.240 do forty five years, like my boy LB. It takes 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.680 a lot man to do that. We all can't do that, 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:41.120 my brother. And you won't really really really know until 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:44.000 you up against their grind because everybody can say, yeah, 0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:46.560 that ain't nothing, I ain't gonna kill myself, But it's 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:48.960 a lot of brothers that have killed themselves. I'm not 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.320 gonna go to the names right now, but we also 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:54.680 know that a lot of strong brothers have committed suicide 0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:57.920 up in them joints because they can't get away from 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:01.040 the torment. And the torment is this this, this is 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:04.040 this is me. This is this is my personal personal belief. 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:07.640 I think we fight ourselves. Sometimes we fight our own 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:11.160 demons and we lose the voices that go to your head. 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:15.080 You would never be nothing. You'll always be in the ghetto. 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:18.360 When you go home, nobody don't love you. You're coming 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:21.840 back again all these things. Your your mother died and 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:24.080 you weren't even there for the funeral, you know, saying 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:25.960 your son died and you weren't even there for the 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:28.880 federal That's that. That's the voice of demons. Brother, are 0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:32.560 trying to get you to commit suicide. And believe it 0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:34.440 or not, I want to say it because it's one 0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:37.280 hundred You gotta watch with some of your homeboys. Tell 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.360 you also, because they can also be demodic. They can 0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:43.520 mislead you to to get killed. They can mislead you 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:47.880 to get destroyed. What I'm saying that goes also in 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.520 the realm of human beings, not just satan. You know, 0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:53.040 You've got some people out of these streets that take 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:55.920 a form of satan. Then you just don't see it 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:59.520 exactly because I tell you this, and this is how 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:03.040 I was aged. I've never been a man for gossip. Right. 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:05.800 If I'm riding down the street and I see your 0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.280 wife in the car with another man. I'm not gonna 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:10.760 jump on the phone and tell you, hey, frog, I 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:12.880 guess saw your old lady out here with something niked. 0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:15.440 That's messy. I don't know who that man was. I 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:17.440 don't know who that was. That could have been her daddy. 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:18.920 She could have been with her brother, she could have 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:21.400 been with her uncle. I don't know what place you went. 0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:23.800 And mentally you maybe already having some stuff with your 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:26.480 old lady and she come home. Next thing you know, 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.400 you in prison for doing something your old laddy for 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.960 a misunderstand if it's some stuff that was gossip, right, 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.200 And I'm gonna tell you the definitely lives out there, 0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:37.400 and the devil does man and fest yourself in homies 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.720 and this and that because you have some homeboys that 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:41.920 have called you about your business that they don't know 0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:44.960 nothing about, telling you about what's going on with this, 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:46.880 this and the third, and then now that you've got 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.400 a big menagerie going on a bunch of mess. So 0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:52.240 it is a spiritual condition. It's a condition of the spirit. Man, 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:56.160 Let me tell you about real love, my brother. I 0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:57.800 can remember when I was a solid dad and we 0:59:57.800 --> 0:59:59.400 got ready to take off on the white boys, the 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.360 bloods and the rips, you know. And we was in 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:04.600 f wing. Already told his story twice and I'm just 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:07.840 gonna just elaborate on this. I had a homeboy. He 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:10.360 was there with me and they was silkie blood. He 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:11.960 was not even in the wing that we was in. 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:14.560 He popped up in there just to holler at me 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:17.240 to see what was going on. And the first thing 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:20.000 I told you get out of here is gonna go down. 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:22.360 I don't want you up in there because you're not 1:00:22.400 --> 1:00:24.840 gonna get away. You're not. You're out of bound. So 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:27.840 I'm letting you know right now for your safety and 1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:30.760 for you to stay on the main line. Leaves that 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:33.120 was out of love because you have some guy what's 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:36.000 called him and say he's a coward for not staying. See, 1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:38.120 he don't have the best interest in hand. You know 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:40.720 some things, brother, you can handle on yourself, and you 1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:43.880 ain't gotta take nobody down with you every time. And 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:46.960 that's what real love is about, brother, is wanted somebody 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.800 to least escape out of the madness, what I'm saying. 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:51.840 And that's where we have it all twisted, brother and 1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:54.120 saying we need to be happy to see a brother 1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:56.400 get up and get out to ghetto. We should be 1:00:56.440 --> 1:00:59.880 happy to see a brother you know, uh changes life 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:02.520 for the better. Just like Pops say, I ain't mad 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:04.760 at you. Why should you be mad at the individual 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:08.400 that's doing better? Know what I'm saying. If anything, you 1:01:08.400 --> 1:01:10.160 know what I'm saying. Find out how that he got 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:12.840 to that plateau. How what did he do to to 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:16.080 to rise up to that level? Instead of sitting back 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:19.400 plotting on, you find up breaking his house and steal everything, 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:22.360 or you finna burn his car up because he has 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:24.720 I'm gonna say he's being and you don't have one 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:28.280 the formula. Find out the formula. They can come in 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.240 my house and break in the motherfuckering you won't get 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:33.360 You might come through the front door, but you won't 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:36.160 go back out that way because you're gonna get popped 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:39.280 on when you first come. Said they're coming in vertical 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:43.360 leaving overzone. Hey, hey, hey, hey, and I got love 1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:46.720 everything and everybody. But if you if it's if it's 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:48.240 that's the way I gotta go, that's the way it 1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:50.760 gotta go. Some things you don't forget. You know that 1:01:50.920 --> 1:01:52.600 this is one of those things too. Man, the world, 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:54.520 I wish we you know, the show hour long. We 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:58.200 already over that. But I want to have you come back, man, 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:00.640 because I don't feel like this story is finished. Can 1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:05.320 we do that? Well, uh yeah, I'm gonna take care 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:07.960 of me. He gotta come back. And and this is 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:13.080 what I want everybody to know. Me and Norman. Our 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:17.800 purpose is to show that everybody. I listen to everybody, 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:20.960 but I'm like this, every we all got a choice. 1:02:21.760 --> 1:02:24.120 And when you're standing in that moment and you in 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:26.560 the heat of it and you feel like you gotta 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:29.600 do something, look at it. Who's around you, and make 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:33.080 that choice. If he's gonna go to jail with me, 1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:35.680 fucking let's do it. If he ain't gonna run out 1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:38.520 on me, fucking let's do it. Let's get at these cats. 1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:41.680 But everybody got a choice, and we made a lot 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:45.600 of choices. We are lucky to be here, and we 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:49.040 made a lot of choices. We made a lot of 1:02:49.200 --> 1:02:52.200 choices that wouldn't right. But for all of these little 1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:55.840 young cats out here, we have a choice. And that's 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:58.800 the bottom line. Well, our choices is man, We're gonna 1:02:58.800 --> 1:03:01.600 grow up and be grown men and raised our grandkids, 1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:06.480 you know. And and for those brothers that oh he 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:09.240 he didn't turn into a woman. He raising kids. Man, 1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:12.640 I'm proud to be a grandfather, you know what I'm saying. 1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:15.720 And there's a lot of us brothers. I got a 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:19.560 lot of homies that didn't even have one kid. I 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:22.560 got some o g s that don't have no kids, 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:27.040 never been married. Oh we know his prison and death. 1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:30.440 So if we can get away from that, we'll be 1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:33.320 all right. Well, I want to say this about Ray 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:36.520 Boys and Toppy Clark. I believe him brothers had the gift. 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:42.920 I've been athletes, professional athletes in boxing and sports track, whatever, 1:03:43.720 --> 1:03:46.479 but they wanted to hang out with the homeboys, see 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:49.040 what I'm saying in the hood. Ray Boys with the college. 1:03:49.200 --> 1:03:51.960 He went to Southwest, He played back He played football 1:03:52.280 --> 1:03:56.720 four White Ts in seventy Speedy original Speedy from back Street. 1:03:56.720 --> 1:04:00.160 Cript told me that Ray Boys was the beast on 1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:03.920 White Ts. You training school, uh football field, and I 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:07.800 know that Ray Boys ran the ball like uh Earl Campbell, 1:04:08.080 --> 1:04:09.920 and he hit the He hits you like he was 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:14.320 Lawrence Taylor. The brother had professional hard hidding skills and 1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:17.600 hard running skills. If he would have took that from Southwest, 1:04:17.600 --> 1:04:20.800 from White TS to Southwest. Matter of fact, they said, 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:25.160 from Jordan's seventy one or seventy, and then he went 1:04:25.240 --> 1:04:28.080 to TS. He played for Jordan's and he was a 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:30.760 beast at Jordan's. And then he played for White Ts. 1:04:30.800 --> 1:04:32.880 He was a beast at White Ts. Then he went 1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:36.840 to White went to Southwest College and seventy two and 1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:39.320 he played for Southwest College and he ended up going 1:04:39.400 --> 1:04:42.240 right back. He went to he he went right back. 1:04:42.600 --> 1:04:44.840 But my whole thing is this, my brother, I'm saying, 1:04:44.920 --> 1:04:47.920 which your wont for our brothers. If you see a 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:51.120 brother with talent, you know, and you see that he 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.840 got the ability to get up out of here, man, 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:56.560 you should want that for him and not want to 1:04:56.640 --> 1:04:59.400 be drinking and smoking and urging him to hang out 1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:01.400 on the streets. But to you you know, I hate to 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:04.600 say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I hate 1:05:04.600 --> 1:05:07.320 to say the thing about two pots situations dealing with 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:09.600 the situation of I'm just gonna put it this, so 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:13.280 I'm gonna use myself. For example, if I was a 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:17.520 producer or anything like Dr Dre or Sugar anybody, and 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:21.480 I had a rapper that was worth a million dollars 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:24.800 or billion, dollars industry. He would be kept very safe, 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:28.160 very safe because I love him and I love I 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:30.840 would want the best for him and his family. Because 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:34.800 the man is on a positive role, I would keep 1:05:34.840 --> 1:05:37.760 him away from the negativity. So if I see somebody 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:40.680 that have a good boxing hand, a good sport hand, 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.320 I would try to guide him to stay into that 1:05:43.520 --> 1:05:46.120 and leave the game members along. This is can be 1:05:46.320 --> 1:05:48.760 this is this this, this is this can be beneficial 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:52.120 for the community. He could open up doors for people 1:05:52.440 --> 1:05:56.600 like in the projects to to join basketball or football, 1:05:56.920 --> 1:06:00.560 just like uh and Andre Miller. He he became a 1:06:00.560 --> 1:06:03.760 Golden Naked He's from Nickoson Garden. He never gained banging 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:07.320 his life. Yes, Andre Miller, he's he's he's my homeboy. 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:09.480 He knowed me personally. I didn't even know who he 1:06:09.640 --> 1:06:12.080 was until I ran up only one day and he said, 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:14.680 what's up for all? I'm Andre Miller. I said, oh, 1:06:14.720 --> 1:06:17.560 you to go to Nugget And he greeted me because 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:19.560 he knew me as a little boy. And and that 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:22.040 made me feel good that the brother from the Golden 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:25.040 Nugget is a multi millionaire and he's not in the project. 1:06:25.120 --> 1:06:27.840 I wasn't thinking about robbing him or killing him. I 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:30.920 hate none. I was happy for him because I guess what, 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:32.840 my brother, that could be me too if I would 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:35.880 have took that same role. We made choices in life, 1:06:36.120 --> 1:06:38.280 just like Ray Boys. He was best in sport and 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:40.200 best in boxing. I would say he was the best 1:06:40.200 --> 1:06:42.880 with his fist in l a from what too Pretty 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:45.160 Chinny and mc thomas was talking about. But that's another 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:47.520 kend of worms. But my whole thing is this my brother. 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:50.520 I'm saying I love these brothers to the point to 1:06:50.560 --> 1:06:53.479 where in my heart right today I want the best 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:55.640 for them, and I would like to give a role 1:06:55.720 --> 1:06:59.200 call out on these pictures very briefly, if it's all right, 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:03.040 do you think okay? Number one is Ray Boys. He's 1:07:03.040 --> 1:07:06.920 squatting down in nineteen seventy five. He just got out 1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:12.680 of y. This is when uh he was uh working 1:07:12.760 --> 1:07:17.200 for the w S c a C. And by the fact, yes, 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:20.560 nineteen seventy he came home. In nineteen seventy five, he's 1:07:20.560 --> 1:07:24.040 working for uh, yeah he was. By the fact, he's 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:27.600 doing construction work for the Nickison Garden projects. They were 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:32.240 rebuilding the inside, remodeling the projects. In seventy seventy six. 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:36.640 So uh, the Watch Community Authority, House Authority hired a 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:38.880 lot of bounty hunters to do work and they was 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:42.000 getting paid in seventy six, they was getting paid like 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:46.520 twenty dollars an hour. They was the mess security. That's also, 1:07:46.880 --> 1:07:49.800 that's right. I remember when they build the freeway over 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:53.560 there on Imperial because the white folks can't come up 1:07:53.560 --> 1:07:58.720 Imperial without getting them bbs and shipped. And my generation 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:01.960 in the seventies Ray Boys, Terry Moses, they would actually 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:04.360 snach you out your car. They didn't bust no window 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:08.120 when that light catch you on success Or Central all 1:08:08.240 --> 1:08:10.600 right there on Compton Avenue. We didn't bust no windows. 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:13.560 And we didn't rob no black own Messican people. Everybody 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:16.280 who came was coming from Lynnwood or coming from the 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:21.120 airport had since identity of who they robbed. Also, they 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:24.040 didn't rob black people back then on Imperial in the seventies. 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:26.960 No Ray boys them with robbering white man. He went 1:08:27.000 --> 1:08:29.200 to jail for robbing the white man. You know, I'm saying, 1:08:29.200 --> 1:08:31.760 I've seen him do it myself, but he went he 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:34.639 went to ts behind that in seventy two. We did 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:37.200 not rob our own people back then. That that case 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:39.559 that happened with the Hawkins, that wouldn't never happened with 1:08:39.640 --> 1:08:42.200 us in our generation because we don't get into it 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:45.000 with our community. We got into it what our Adver series, 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:47.000 which was to call up part of Crypts. We didn't 1:08:47.080 --> 1:08:50.840 rob our community, neighborhoods linked stories because we had love 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:53.519 for them. They've seen us grow up as elementary people, 1:08:53.640 --> 1:08:55.680 so now that were teenager, we had a little bit 1:08:55.760 --> 1:08:57.960 respect for him. Except the one on the hundred and 1:08:57.960 --> 1:09:00.240 twelfth and Central. That was the one that we really 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:02.519 was fighting when we was like in high school and 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:05.240 junior high school fighting guys that was in their thirties 1:09:05.360 --> 1:09:08.439 in late twenties, and you know that came out kind 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:11.160 of hecky. One of them end up getting shot, you 1:09:11.160 --> 1:09:13.760 know in the homies, you know, they broke somebody's leg 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:15.760 and they beat up some homies. They pistol with one 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:17.760 of the homies and all this is in the seventies, 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:20.040 but nobody never got killed. So that just to show 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:23.120 you that even people who you don't even like and 1:09:23.160 --> 1:09:25.320 you don't get along with, you still have a choice, 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:28.400 my brother, of not killing that individual. You still have 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:31.240 that choice. Now I want to discuss the one based 1:09:31.240 --> 1:09:35.000 on with Joe Barker. Joe Barker is the homeboy who 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:38.720 reminds me of Sampson. He flexing his muscles right, and 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:41.599 he's standing next to Babe Bro. Babe Brother is a gunner. 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:44.960 He has no respect for law. He reminds me of 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:51.200 what's that guy named, uh, baby face Nelson? Nelson. He 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.840 he do not like you know? He Well. My thing 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:56.560 with the homies that I have a lot of respectful 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:02.400 was based on the police. My homeboys back in the 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:06.439 seventies never killed the crib, never killed the crib. There's 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:09.160 not on record killing the crill. But they got at 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:12.439 least four police cases under their belts during time. So 1:10:12.560 --> 1:10:15.639 Babe Bro and Joe Barker they both rest in peace. 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:18.799 So I can speak on this, you know, uh, dealing 1:10:18.840 --> 1:10:22.640 with the situation that hand killer Joe and Babe Bro. 1:10:24.800 --> 1:10:30.040 Number three, it is dealing with another picture. Our name 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:36.520 Nickoson Gordon Findess. You have Terry Modens, Ray Boys, Rory Lynch, Cocole, 1:10:37.000 --> 1:10:39.439 Rick Rock and then you have Joe Smith. At the 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:41.960 bottom you have zero. You have Earl Jones with the 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:45.680 Charlie had Charlie had used to Buddy used to be 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:50.080 the Bounty Hunters original hat back in n seventy two, 1:10:50.200 --> 1:10:52.800 before the before we start wearing ace deuces. Then you 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:55.360 have J. T. He rested in peace. Then you have 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:58.840 uh Ricky Green, who A C. Wrote in his book 1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:02.160 he was also a bandar rule uh back in nineteen 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:05.280 seventy four with A C and N Y T s. 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:09.200 And then he goes to bondar rouges again. And they 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:12.760 came home in nineteen seventy six. You got uh Me 1:11:12.920 --> 1:11:15.719 holding the radio, hard Rock pointing up to the sky, 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:19.040 Terry Mooks just wearing the red tennis shoes. Uh, you 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:21.880 have Neil Matthew wearing the leather coat and co Co 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:24.800 point to this guy. And hard Rock wearing also a 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:27.559 red bandanna. And what I can actually say about these 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:31.800 brothers right here, they brought Bondarou home. They truly brought 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:34.320 the word bondar route to the house. And I was 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:36.960 there with them in nineteen seventy six. So I don't 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:40.760 know about what t Rogers talking about. Uh everybody was 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:44.840 saying because and anybody was saying blood. We never said 1:11:44.880 --> 1:11:47.680 because I never even heard no pot roussa. Cause we 1:11:47.800 --> 1:11:50.760 all started saying blood to each other and wearing red 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:54.200 bandannas together. I'm saying because I know for a fact 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:56.840 that nobody held the rip and down the butt pot rule, 1:11:57.120 --> 1:12:00.320 and LB and little Vins made sure, not a cee, 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:03.920 but LB a little Vince made sure that that red 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:07.559 band downer that made Parou what it is today became 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:11.479 a blood nation. And that's the true fact. I have 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:14.840 another one I want to talk about. I have the 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:18.879 road Call of my Homeboys nineteen seventy three Body Hunters. 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:22.160 Do you have Junior Thomas left the right, you have 1:12:22.439 --> 1:12:26.320 Cherry or Taker, and then you have Sugarloo from Paroux 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:29.439 throwing up the Parous side. Did you have Michael Duroux 1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:33.040 wearing a beige knit shirt throwing up the Bondi Hunter sign? 1:12:33.200 --> 1:12:36.040 Did you have Terry Moses throwing up the sign? You 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:39.599 have David Taplet, and you have uh a sip or Taker, 1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:42.240 and you have uh. I forgot the other guy at 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:45.519 the very end, but that's Terry Moses little son standing 1:12:45.840 --> 1:12:48.840 right next to David Tablet. That's in white ts, not 1:12:48.960 --> 1:12:53.080 white ts. That's a nullus. That's anothers in Y nineteen 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:58.600 seventy three, the original Bondi Hunters right there. Okay, uh 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:01.600 then we have another picture that I want to elaborate on. 1:13:02.160 --> 1:13:06.439 You're dealing with Junior Thomas standing to your left and 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:08.960 Hard Rocks standing to your right. Junior Thomas is the 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.680 leader of the bonding Hunters with a red flag on. Now, 1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:15.320 I challenge anybody that is a brown or from any 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:18.240 other set to show me a picture of the O 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:22.200 G Homeboys back in the seventies with a red flag. 1:13:22.800 --> 1:13:26.200 I'm talking about guys that would be like sixty seven 1:13:26.439 --> 1:13:29.680 and sixty six. Today Hard Rock is flamed up and 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:33.800 he rested in peace. He would be today. We're dealing 1:13:33.840 --> 1:13:35.640 with originals. They're standing right in the middle of the 1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:38.599 heart of Nickoson Garden. You have Hanking Black standing by 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:40.719 the radio, and you have Squeak in the right tennis 1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:44.080 shoes wearing black and that this is in the seventies 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:48.080 of the original Bonar rouge. Uh. Then you have another 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:53.559 picture of the Homeboys standing together in the projects. Yeah, 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:57.160 Michael Ford wearing a beige beantie crap cop. You have 1:13:57.280 --> 1:13:59.799 Terry Modens wearing the leather coat. You have Gary Barker 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:04.880 a light blue, light blue shirt. You have somebody in 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:07.759 the background throwing up a body Hunter sign. Yeah, Ricky 1:14:07.800 --> 1:14:12.559 Bryant in the bottom left corner that Silkie blood and 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:15.519 these are the original body hunters hanging out together in 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:21.160 nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. And I just want to 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:25.599 elaborate on one more thing, and that would be with Mr. 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:29.760 T Michael Smith Rest in peace. Uh. I have his 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:34.120 obituary right before me right now, and he passed away 1:14:34.479 --> 1:14:40.280 in November, uh eighte. This guy right here, what I 1:14:40.360 --> 1:14:43.200 like about him, He was the type of guy that 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:45.880 he truly believed in fist fighting. This is the only 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:48.800 homeboy that I know from Nikison Garden that took it 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:51.960 to the jordan Dale Cribs with his fists by himself. 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:54.840 Him and Eddie Brown from the Jordan Down cribs. They 1:14:54.840 --> 1:14:57.400 had a fist to cuff fight and they were fighting 1:14:57.600 --> 1:14:59.600 like cats and dog in the great and in the 1:14:59.680 --> 1:15:03.479 Jordan Doren, the neighborhood on Grandy behind the tracks, and 1:15:03.520 --> 1:15:06.400 we had squabbles with them guys because at one time 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:09.120 we was green jackets, so we really never had, you know, 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:12.320 the killing field with each other. We always did respect 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:14.920 each other and gave each other fair faces. And I 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:18.599 would say Michael Smill was the one that actually took 1:15:18.600 --> 1:15:21.320 it to him and start fighting them instead of us 1:15:21.320 --> 1:15:24.240 taking potshots at each other, and they tried to jump 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:27.719 on him, uh, and I jumped in and UH gave 1:15:27.800 --> 1:15:30.720 somebody what they call a dope feed punch, and they 1:15:30.720 --> 1:15:32.559 all turned and looked at me like they would get 1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:35.720 ready to jump on me. And my boy from from 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:39.240 the Jordan Downs, my partner said a McGill. He stopped 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:41.240 them and told them they're not gonna do nothing to 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:43.439 me because he knew me from Junia Hall. And I 1:15:43.479 --> 1:15:45.320 don't think I knew him from Junia Hall, but I 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:47.840 wasn't gonna disagree that that. Know what I'm saying, I 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:50.280 think you're ready to jump on me. So Michael Smills 1:15:50.760 --> 1:15:54.080 is the brother who took it like a vanguard to 1:15:54.160 --> 1:15:56.800 the crips with his fists. He wanted to fight him 1:15:56.840 --> 1:15:58.800 and not shoot him, and that was his choice, and 1:15:58.800 --> 1:16:00.960 I was rushed right there with he. Now my choice 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:03.479 would have been the same thing, But at the same time, 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:06.719 I'm afraid that you go up to an individual talking 1:16:06.760 --> 1:16:09.280 about fighting and they want to kill you while you 1:16:09.360 --> 1:16:12.400 talking about fighting. So I had that mentality, but he 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:15.559 never thought like that, So I wonder, uh was he 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:19.120 actually slipping or was he doing the right thing. So, 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:22.160 like I said, it's his choice again and I want 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:24.800 to leave with this last picture. Oh yeah, this is 1:16:24.840 --> 1:16:27.519 Michael Smith, trouble Man, that's his name. We called him 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:30.360 trouble Man, Mr T. This is his daughter also, he's 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:34.000 studying on a bench with his daughter is standing on 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:36.240 the bench. And he also had a picture of him 1:16:36.760 --> 1:16:40.000 with his hands open. He's uh in y t s 1:16:40.040 --> 1:16:42.240 at the time for a murder. He was there back 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:45.240 in like seventy nine and t s. He said, he 1:16:45.600 --> 1:16:49.200 he's smiling on this picture. And uh not last, but 1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:54.280 least uh two pretty kitty from uh cornerpucket cript I 1:16:54.320 --> 1:16:56.280 got him at one picture. You know what I'm saying. 1:16:56.280 --> 1:16:59.240 This is my boy man, two pretty kitty from corner pocket, 1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:04.040 my house man, and he brought my kids some lunching everything, 1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:06.280 and we chopped it up with each other. Him and 1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:08.439 his girlfriend. We're taking a picture right in front of 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:12.360 my like a navigator. And that's my real partner right there. 1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:14.439 It's one thing I can say about him, man, that 1:17:14.560 --> 1:17:17.400 I like about him. Man. You know, he has a 1:17:17.479 --> 1:17:20.280 sense of humor that makes me love him man, because 1:17:20.320 --> 1:17:22.719 I don't see no fakens in him when it comes 1:17:22.760 --> 1:17:25.880 to humor, you know. Uh, he here makes you laugh, 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:28.080 My brother and he and he's real about this laughter, 1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:30.880 you know. And I have a lot of respects. Yeah, 1:17:30.920 --> 1:17:34.160 he's from corner He's from corner Pocket. He's original corner pocket. 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:36.280 Matter of fact, he's the one that started and his 1:17:36.439 --> 1:17:39.559 mama garage. You know what I'm saying. But hey, I 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:41.840 got love for Crips to I got love from Melle Mel. 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:45.080 He's a good brother. He speaks with he speaks with knowledge, 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:48.320 He speaks with he speaks with understanding. I have love 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:51.519 for Cutes also, he speaks with knowledge and understand it. 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:55.080 But I will say this, though Cutes and Pooky, Raymond 1:17:55.120 --> 1:17:58.280 Washington did use a gun. You need to buy the 1:17:58.320 --> 1:18:01.200 book I Am Raymond Washington and it speaks on that 1:18:01.479 --> 1:18:04.559 because they use guns all in the books. Ain't nothing 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:08.320 wrong with using the gun though, I mean, the gun 1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:13.400 is an easy way to like fucking sweating. No no 1:18:13.840 --> 1:18:18.719 hard man popua mother going about you. But be done 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:24.639 with it. But don't compare ray boys who never used 1:18:24.640 --> 1:18:27.400 the gun with a person who used the gun. Well, 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:29.960 you can't compare that. Yeah, again, he was a spobbler. 1:18:30.160 --> 1:18:32.760 He wasn't a gun user, so you don't compare. I'm 1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:35.799 letting them know. Jimmy Leavindor and Cammac made a statement 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:38.360 about that, and I'm just letting them know. Raymond use 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:41.000 the guns and ray boys didn't use guns, and it's 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:43.400 in the books. Well, I mean to say, I'm rocking 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:46.320 and rolling with you, Raymond. If you need to pistol, 1:18:46.760 --> 1:18:51.360 and it's an easy way, I can get five for one. Well, 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:53.439 I used the gun myself, my brother. I didn't come 1:18:53.520 --> 1:18:55.559 body on the front for nothing. But my whole point 1:18:55.680 --> 1:18:58.880 is is, don't never get on the stage saying that 1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:00.960 Bonny Hunter Frog never we used the gun when you 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:03.040 know I was a gunn don't get on stage just 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:08.439 say that, uh Hunter Frog had respect for the females 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:10.759 of the hood, when you know I was going around 1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:13.000 calling everybody to B word. You know what I'm saying, 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:15.720 which is the B I, T. C. H. Basically have 1:19:15.880 --> 1:19:19.640 some real facts, but we're exactly the factor part is 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:22.040 what I'm talking about. There's nothing wrong we're using the gun. 1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:24.680 But my point is, you know I understand this, and 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:29.160 I'm gonna leave you with this. My brother none, I 1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:32.519 gotta Goigart Okay, so it's just just a break. Are 1:19:32.560 --> 1:19:35.559 we coming over? We're gonna do a part two. We 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:39.640 gotta do a part right now, you get through, Okay, Well, 1:19:39.640 --> 1:19:40.840 I just want to just say this. I don't want 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.519 let you go, my brother. What I'm saying, and I 1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:44.960 want and I want, I want to let you go 1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:49.080 what I'm saying, um and where is that? Where is 1:19:49.120 --> 1:19:52.599 that subject at? Where is that I'm going to I'm 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:55.519 looking for the subject. I go, hey, see, Bubba Louis. 1:19:55.760 --> 1:19:58.080 I just want to let you know, Salie Percy know 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:00.719 what I'm saying. As Ricky Bryant would say, silkie blood 1:20:00.920 --> 1:20:03.120 if they ever would have got into it, Charlie Percy 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:06.080 didn't have no edge over Ray Boys. Ray Boys was 1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:09.000 athlete a matter of fact, men, a bit of dog 1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:12.360 a k a silkie blood Ricky Bryant. We come to 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:16.120 the conclusion that Charlie Percy wouldn't probably even never hit 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:18.960 Ray Boys because he was too athletic for Charlie Percy. 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:22.040 But but but you know, that's just our opinion. Though 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:24.800 we all have our opinions. So everybody is the title 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:26.760 to their own opinion on that I was saying about 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:28.599 ray Is this my brother. You know what I'm saying, 1:20:28.880 --> 1:20:31.760 It is what it is. It is what it is. 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:34.799 My brother. He was a type of guy that that 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.559 did not use no guns and he did not believe 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:39.880 in using guns and he never used the gun. I 1:20:39.960 --> 1:20:43.160 understand that we do comparis. We have a Tennessee of 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:47.120 comparing Kobe to Michael Jordan's. We have a Tennessee comparing 1:20:47.680 --> 1:20:52.080 Mark Rocky Marciano to to Ali. We have a tendency 1:20:52.120 --> 1:20:56.200 of comparing Uh Biggie Small to Tupae. Know what I'm saying, 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:58.680 But in our hearts, our hearts, all them people that 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:01.720 child comparing them too. Y'all know who number one is. 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:04.000 Y'all know who number one is. So we don't even 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:08.240 have to eleporate on nothing else dealing with this situation too. 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:11.920 Pretty Kinney and mac Thomas told the truth what I'm saying. 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:14.439 So if you want to know about ray boys, read 1:21:14.479 --> 1:21:17.600 two Pretty Kinney book. When mac Thomas said that if 1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:20.240 him and Raymond Washington would have got into it, you know, 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:23.160 I'm saying, it would have been ray all the way. 1:21:23.200 --> 1:21:26.000 And I also want to say this, I challenge anybody 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:34.560 hancho head, honcho, uh afro pigmy uh Tyrone Tate Uh. 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:37.519 Anybody who really know ray boys and who really know 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:41.559 Raymond Washington? I challenged them, tell what do they think 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:47.679 about Raymond and ray Uh? In comparison dealing with slinging 1:21:47.720 --> 1:21:51.720 them dogs? Who do you think you know hypothetically had 1:21:51.760 --> 1:21:54.040 the best hands. I'm talking about the old Richard old 1:21:54.040 --> 1:21:56.680 triple o gs who know both of them? Anybody who 1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:58.760 don't know both of them, you can't compare them. You 1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:01.200 have to know both of them, Sally to compare them. 1:22:01.280 --> 1:22:03.800 That's on the way you can make a compariship is 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:06.240 by knowing both people. And I want to leave it 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:09.120 like that, and there it is right there, O g Frog. 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:14.720 Part two comings soon. Well. That concludes another episode of 1:22:14.760 --> 1:22:17.800 Against the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the I 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:20.720 Heart Apple. Subscribe to the gainst the Chronicles podcast for 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:24.080 Apple users. 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