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Speaker 1: You're now tuned into the Reil M c A. Bick,
Speaker 1: James and Big Stails the streets. Hello, we like to
Speaker 1: welcome everyone to another edition of the Gangster Chronicles podcast
Speaker 1: Number my homeboy, Big Jake and Big I'll let you
Speaker 1: allow you to do the introductions today. Ain't too many
Speaker 1: words to say about this brother right here. You know,
Speaker 1: you old school. He's he's been around along time and
Speaker 1: then did time in prison. And I just want to
Speaker 1: say I'm glad to have him here to educate us,
Speaker 1: because I didn't learned a lot from listening to him
Speaker 1: talking to him on the phone, and uh, he makes
Speaker 1: a lot of valid points. So we're gonna let him
Speaker 1: say his name and bringing in and show us what
Speaker 1: he's working with. Green is my brother's assistants. I go
Speaker 1: by the handle of my African name is Hannibal cam Boon,
Speaker 1: which means uh. Hannibal itself means grace to the people. No,
Speaker 1: cam Boon itself means love for the people, and Hannibal
Speaker 1: means uh, the oppressor being suffered by a lightning boat.
Speaker 1: So a lightened boat to the oppressor and love for
Speaker 1: the people. That's what Hannibal Camba means. Now. I want
Speaker 1: to also let you know that everybody know me already,
Speaker 1: but they also call me Original Frog a k A.
Speaker 1: Triple o G Frog. And the subject today is based
Speaker 1: on the truth. That's the name I'm gonna name this.
Speaker 1: This this this episode right here is called the truth
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I believe in the truth, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's it's kind of strange how things operate in
Speaker 1: life sometimes sometimes, you know, we get caught up and
Speaker 1: to just going by he say and she say. Things
Speaker 1: are what a person say instead of investigating, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is gonna be somewhat of like U are
Speaker 1: hearing like a courtroom hearing. In a sense, we're dealing
Speaker 1: with facts we're dealing with evidence, we're dealing with things.
Speaker 1: We're dealing with things of that can become uh what
Speaker 1: you call uh without challenging some things you can't even
Speaker 1: challenge in life. It is what it is, you know,
Speaker 1: A C King Bubba Louis, that's my boy right there.
Speaker 1: And you know it's something that he said that I
Speaker 1: would always keep with me. He said, when you speak
Speaker 1: on something, you better have some them to bag it
Speaker 1: up with, because if you don't have nothing to bag
Speaker 1: it up with, that's all it is. It's just talk,
Speaker 1: you know, and talk his cheek. My brother a picture
Speaker 1: says a thousand words. Witness also says a thousand words
Speaker 1: that can get you convicted. So my whole point is
Speaker 1: the truth, all right, let me let me, let me
Speaker 1: er Jake, let me come in here. When you say
Speaker 1: the truth is that is you're speaking on the truth
Speaker 1: of the history of how uh we came about gang
Speaker 1: banging and what what our neighborhoods meant and how they
Speaker 1: started what I mean the truth? Like well, a C
Speaker 1: King Bubba Louis, he had a dispute about the truth.
Speaker 1: We're dealing with the brother Brown from from the West
Speaker 1: Side named Elgin, you know, and that got kind of
Speaker 1: heated because of I think it had a lot to
Speaker 1: do with ego tripping, you know, who's right and who's wrong.
Speaker 1: But in reality though, you know, for those who were there,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what it basically boils down to. I
Speaker 1: was there, you know, I walked on Poarou Street in
Speaker 1: seventy four and seventy five. I was there kicking it
Speaker 1: with Tab, I'm saying and putting in seventy and seventy
Speaker 1: five before Tab got killed. So I knew these guys
Speaker 1: like Terry Carter and Ronnie Graham. So my whole thing
Speaker 1: is that being that I know these guys personally and
Speaker 1: I know they evolved. It evolved in from Pararaou Street.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't understand that this just didn't
Speaker 1: happen overnight. This this was is something that just popped up.
Speaker 1: This was uh what you call evolution, you know, and
Speaker 1: the evolution was this that people still don't want to
Speaker 1: uh believe. But I don't know why they don't want
Speaker 1: to believe, because maybe because the Brims have a longer
Speaker 1: history than the Powerus and then the Bounty Hunters. I
Speaker 1: guess they feel that, you know, ages. There's nothing really
Speaker 1: but the number when it comes to this right here.
Speaker 1: Because history has something to do with how can I
Speaker 1: say the origin and what is the origin? This is
Speaker 1: the origin right here. Let me show you the origin
Speaker 1: brand New. I bought this just to show you something
Speaker 1: right here, This right here is the origin of the bloods,
Speaker 1: the real bloods. I'm saying that I know that I
Speaker 1: grew up with. This is the origin. And when I
Speaker 1: was in Centennial High nineteen seventy four, I never seen
Speaker 1: a red rag in my life claiming to be parru
Speaker 1: until I went to Centennial in seventy fold. Nobody had
Speaker 1: the red ban downa at Lock High. Before I went
Speaker 1: to Centennial, I was there with Peabody from west Side
Speaker 1: dever Lay. I was there with Little or with Arthur
Speaker 1: Ray a little art from at this part. He was
Speaker 1: there him in black glove. From at this part. Nobody
Speaker 1: had the red ban downa in seventy fold. Nobody you know,
Speaker 1: but the par rouge. When I touched down, I would say,
Speaker 1: November seventy fold, the red rag or the red band
Speaker 1: downa or the red flag as people want to call it.
Speaker 1: All it met was just one thing in Compton and
Speaker 1: it didn't mean nothing else, and I never saw it
Speaker 1: nowhere else in Los Angeles. And the word that they
Speaker 1: used for that red bandanna was pi rule. So from
Speaker 1: from from the Nickersons to the Swans, nobody had that.
Speaker 1: Nobody had that red bandanna. And it's kind of strange
Speaker 1: that the backup possess. I just saw a video of
Speaker 1: the origin of the Peace Stone with T. J. Rogers
Speaker 1: Rest in Peace, and he made a statement saying, back
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, everybody was saying cause, and everybody
Speaker 1: was wearing a blue rag, which is not the truth.
Speaker 1: When he comes to Compton and watched my brother. And
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm saying that because I didn't hear
Speaker 1: the word cause until like seventy four, and I didn't
Speaker 1: hear the word blood until about like seventy folk seventy five,
Speaker 1: and the red bandanna and all that seventy four seventy three.
Speaker 1: This stuff did not happen in the early seventies, seventies
Speaker 1: seventy one. That's it's not true at all. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: pay some bills real quick and we can get right
Speaker 1: back to y'all. Can I ask you a question for
Speaker 1: the people, How did the rear rag originate, like just
Speaker 1: just the symbolic, just the symbolism of how did how
Speaker 1: did that come about? Well, everything always have a reaction,
Speaker 1: my brother, for at one time it was white powered
Speaker 1: by the Cluekluk Klan. And what did we say in retaliation?
Speaker 1: Black power? Okay, when the Compton Cripts start wearing their
Speaker 1: blue rags after Buddhoog got killed, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The Compton Cripts, the West Side Cripts, everybody start wearing
Speaker 1: blue rags. The Bloods didn't have nothing because we was
Speaker 1: in no bloods at the time. But when the Paru
Speaker 1: seen that blue rag, that opposition at Centennial that the
Speaker 1: apache is also known as a red The Centennial was
Speaker 1: painted red in burgundy also, so that can also be
Speaker 1: a clue for to give them the flag the red bandanna.
Speaker 1: But they took that red from Centennial and made it
Speaker 1: into a bandanna. And when it became a bandanna, they
Speaker 1: took it to hy t S and when they took
Speaker 1: it to White t S, it became a blood rag
Speaker 1: and not a part room rag no more. And how
Speaker 1: and why would I say that is because let me
Speaker 1: uh tell you lb and little events is the original
Speaker 1: Power Rules who pushed that bloodline that took the place
Speaker 1: up Paroule. They pushed that all the way to the
Speaker 1: Bonny Hunters and gave the Bonny Hunters who threw up
Speaker 1: the bee. As in Bonny Hunters, the first bee came
Speaker 1: from Bonnie Hunter, and they took that bee and brought
Speaker 1: to be two bloods. And the Paru took the bandanna
Speaker 1: and brought the bandanna into bloods. So they collaborated and
Speaker 1: they started to be and the Red rag as one
Speaker 1: that came into bloods. So it's a collaboration. The original
Speaker 1: b is Bonny Hunter slash blood. The original red Flag
Speaker 1: is Pareru slash blood. Together, they collaborated and started bloods,
Speaker 1: simple as that. Now for us the West Side, I
Speaker 1: know this for a fact from my understanding. I was
Speaker 1: told that Jacomo said that he was fabricating. He confessed,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that he did that because I was
Speaker 1: very angry at Jacomo because my homeboys help push this line,
Speaker 1: lost their lives in the process of all this, getting
Speaker 1: gunned down, you know, ambushed and all these type of things.
Speaker 1: So yes, I had an attitude and still do kind
Speaker 1: of got an attitude towards an individual who would actually
Speaker 1: fabricate on purpose just for the sake of a family member.
Speaker 1: You know, I believe in this. We all need to
Speaker 1: have principles. Principles in life. Is this just because your
Speaker 1: homeboy is a rapist, that don't have to make you
Speaker 1: a rapist. You can tell your homeboy, hey man, that's
Speaker 1: not right what you're doing, and that makes you a
Speaker 1: real man. That don't make you know buster, That don't
Speaker 1: make you less stuff a gaster because you have principal.
Speaker 1: So don't follow what other people do because they're doing it.
Speaker 1: Have be be a leader in your own right and
Speaker 1: stand up and know what is right and what is wrong.
Speaker 1: Now in this game thing of today, what we have
Speaker 1: mixed up more than anything is that we don't have
Speaker 1: forgiveness in our hearts. That's the key thing, right. We
Speaker 1: didn't have forgiveness in our heart back in our days
Speaker 1: when we when we were game banging. That the average
Speaker 1: game member that really got out there and participated and
Speaker 1: being a I'm talking about a real game banger, not
Speaker 1: a gang member. We didn't. We didn't we didn't have
Speaker 1: a heart did ship. But but the eighties took it
Speaker 1: to another direction. My problem but that but it was
Speaker 1: the same. It's just it's just a fall back off
Speaker 1: of the old school ship because the old school just
Speaker 1: saying like my generation before me trying to a dog
Speaker 1: them where the tone that they were setting, they set
Speaker 1: the tone for us. And then when the co Kaine
Speaker 1: came in and you know, everybody broke apart and start
Speaker 1: doing their own thing. Now and here we got you know,
Speaker 1: now we got more shootings. There ain't no fightings because
Speaker 1: I remember we used to get on our bikes and
Speaker 1: go to certain neighborhoods and fight. But the gunplay came.
Speaker 1: I was shot in nineteen eighty right here in my chest,
Speaker 1: and uh, that was the day I said the sticks,
Speaker 1: the bats and all that ship and took it to
Speaker 1: another level. If this is what you're gonna do to me,
Speaker 1: this is what I got for you. So I don't
Speaker 1: have to torment you by being your ass a certain
Speaker 1: kind of way, stab you and all that other bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it in. It's easier walk away from
Speaker 1: it and don't hear nothing about it. Just don't talk
Speaker 1: about it. But today people get shot because of the
Speaker 1: color of the shirt you got on. So it's a
Speaker 1: big difference. But I think we got away from the
Speaker 1: old school way, y'all way doing it a certain kind
Speaker 1: of way and then bam, Like I mean, I look
Speaker 1: at this book and it's got a lot of stories
Speaker 1: in it. So tell me where we fell off that
Speaker 1: as gang members. Well, I want to I want to
Speaker 1: splain it to you this right. I'm gonna use a
Speaker 1: brother for example, that came against from what the book says,
Speaker 1: four hundred cribs and did not get stumped out. And
Speaker 1: Bulldog was the leader, second in command, and he goes
Speaker 1: by the name of Rhea a k. A. Ray. Boys,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is read a C book
Speaker 1: and you would see, Hey, this guy was no joke.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. There's a picture that will be shown
Speaker 1: of him. You know, the a C explained to him,
Speaker 1: explained to the world better than I did in the
Speaker 1: in a sense, because you know, uh, for individual to
Speaker 1: get surrounded by a compound of crips around four hundred
Speaker 1: and they do not do nothing to him, you know,
Speaker 1: that is very very unusual. That kind of like remind
Speaker 1: me of how can I put it? That reminds me
Speaker 1: of Bruce Lee in a sense I can remember when
Speaker 1: I should watch Bruce Lee. Everybody was surrounding him, but
Speaker 1: they was afraid to really attack him. He had to
Speaker 1: timid date them for them to make the first move.
Speaker 1: So you know you have some people man that you
Speaker 1: know they respect people who know how to fight. You know,
Speaker 1: there there is honor a mind's uh individuals and even groups.
Speaker 1: At certain time period, he got away with that because
Speaker 1: it was a certain time period. Time brings on the
Speaker 1: big chance that though so at one time in gangsterism
Speaker 1: rules beef most of that wast cuffs. People used to
Speaker 1: go out there in box correct fistic cuff and that's
Speaker 1: what it's all about. Back in nineteen of any Folk,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy two. Now, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: they had individuals that was getting a snipe that had
Speaker 1: reputation like Chocolate. You know, he got sniped by at
Speaker 1: this part boy at lock High. And it didn't have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with no figure Roy Boys as took
Speaker 1: you would say in his book which is Blue Rays
Speaker 1: Black Redemption, you know what I'm saying. And in his
Speaker 1: book he said Chocolate was killed by a figure Roy Boy.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he said that. I knew already
Speaker 1: history already knew that he laid the foundation down, that
Speaker 1: it was at this part boys. And to give me
Speaker 1: a sense of thought of maybe he didn't want to
Speaker 1: give Anti cript the credit for that. That's the only
Speaker 1: way I could come up with that white. Maybe he
Speaker 1: didn't want to just really put it out there like that.
Speaker 1: But I understand that we all have pride, you know,
Speaker 1: and we need to set the pride down and come
Speaker 1: with the truth. And the truth of the matter is,
Speaker 1: you know, don't change the script because of your dislike
Speaker 1: or because of your pride and arrogant You have to
Speaker 1: keep that real for the simple fact because all them
Speaker 1: brothers Cripton bloods who perished behind this not sense, And
Speaker 1: I say it again, not sense. You're saying they need
Speaker 1: to be I ain't gonna say honor, but they don't
Speaker 1: need to be disrespected. Also, I would say that I feel,
Speaker 1: are you telling the lie on somebody who died for
Speaker 1: something that they believe in. I think that's that's a
Speaker 1: slap in the face. I believe the old saying used
Speaker 1: to be, Hey, that brother turning over in his grave.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Behind what you just said,
Speaker 1: and by that statement turning over in your grade mean
Speaker 1: that means whatever you did, you made a dead person
Speaker 1: disgusted of you to turn over in their grade. So
Speaker 1: when you sit up there and you bring on uh
Speaker 1: episodes on, well, uh, ray Boys was a fighter and
Speaker 1: he never picked up a gun. So therefore, uh, my
Speaker 1: shot caller, which is Raymond Washington, he never picked up
Speaker 1: a gun. Also such as what cuts would say, such
Speaker 1: as for the cookie would also say, But I'm here
Speaker 1: to let you know that there's books here that I
Speaker 1: can elaborate from a C King Bubba Louis original power
Speaker 1: route he had it in his book, and letting you
Speaker 1: know the truth about this, comrade Raymond Washington, the original
Speaker 1: east Side Crims, because any cripts came, Bubba Louis was
Speaker 1: original original. He was there day one with Raymond for
Speaker 1: at least about a year or two. Raymond Washington, okay,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, nineteen sixty nine, Raymond Washington, uh uh
Speaker 1: and a C King Bubba Louis was uh road dogs together.
Speaker 1: And when a C. Bubba Louis became a part rule
Speaker 1: and start banging with pot Roue because he got shot
Speaker 1: up by some Compton cribs and in a drive by
Speaker 1: a motorcycle incident. He had a to fire this heart
Speaker 1: behind that, so he didn't focus on He didn't focus
Speaker 1: on any cribs. He focused only on Compton. He said
Speaker 1: it himself. He had nothing to gainst the east Side Crips.
Speaker 1: Those his loved ones. But the Compton Crips though, was
Speaker 1: his most hated enemies, and he proved that by even
Speaker 1: going to y A for a murder. So I cannot
Speaker 1: take nothing from a C because he's a real warrior.
Speaker 1: He's also a real warrior to the point where he
Speaker 1: got down told and told with one of the toughest goliath. Yeah,
Speaker 1: goliath like in David and Goliath, James Miller. I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but they call him James Miller the
Speaker 1: brim Killer. And he was bigger than Tookie. Him and
Speaker 1: a C Kim Baba Louis they squared off in juven
Speaker 1: On Hall. So just by a C squaring off with
Speaker 1: a big goliath like that, that showed me automatically that
Speaker 1: he believed what he stood folk when he became pirou.
Speaker 1: You know, we have to understand that, uh, this this
Speaker 1: gang activity is kind of similar like religion. If I
Speaker 1: claim to be a Christian or Muslim, and I decided
Speaker 1: to change my faith. Like Malcolm, he did the same thing.
Speaker 1: He once believed that all white folks was devil, but
Speaker 1: then he went to Mecca and he's seen that there
Speaker 1: were white folks also in Mecca. So his whole perspective
Speaker 1: and his whole view of humanity dealing with Islam was
Speaker 1: different than what he was being taught as white devil
Speaker 1: because he was breaking bread what is Muslim brothers and Mecca?
Speaker 1: And he found out the culture there was not racist?
Speaker 1: So how can he be racist when Islam is not racist? Now?
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question for aug You know
Speaker 1: what the advent of the internet that gives different people voices.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's for the better. Sometimes, as we see, is
Speaker 1: for the worst. There's a lot of bullshit that's out
Speaker 1: there too, right, how much of the stuff do you
Speaker 1: think online the day of the people seeing as accurate? Well,
Speaker 1: that's a good question right there, because that's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to this say. The only way I would think
Speaker 1: that our individual can come up with truth. It's just
Speaker 1: like when you study the Bible, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you study anything that your heart is deeply into it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna research it to the point to where you're
Speaker 1: not biased enough to say, well, let me read the
Speaker 1: only Koran, Well let me read the Torah. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to know how to put the puzzle together. That
Speaker 1: this is a big puzzle to me. You know, I
Speaker 1: once told somebody that this reminds me of gumbo, and
Speaker 1: that you know that the word gumbo and Swahili it
Speaker 1: means okra, and without okra in your gumbo, you don't
Speaker 1: really have real gumbo. So I look at myself as
Speaker 1: an ocra of the gumbo. I'm trying to keep it real,
Speaker 1: keep the gumbo real, and without me telling the truth,
Speaker 1: I don't think that it would be real because I
Speaker 1: don't think that they have real enough guys around to
Speaker 1: stand up for the real. You know, people might dislike
Speaker 1: me behind the real, but you know what, Hey, they
Speaker 1: just like Jesus, They just like Malcolm, and they're just
Speaker 1: like a whole lot of other people who stood up
Speaker 1: for the truth. The King died for the truth. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of people like go to guys. Because I
Speaker 1: can't nobody at thirty forty tilled the history of bloods
Speaker 1: are crips. Can't nobody sit here at forty and tell
Speaker 1: me about Raymond Washington, Pooky or none of these guys.
Speaker 1: I get it from my uncle's name that was there,
Speaker 1: that that's of that age sixties seven sixty eight years
Speaker 1: old at this time. Now, Um, you got a lot
Speaker 1: of misconception out there what CRIPS was supposed to be,
Speaker 1: or what it meant, or what Raymond Washington wanted it
Speaker 1: to be, and it wasn't this what you see today.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You got you got bloods
Speaker 1: out there, such as yourself, coming with with real facts
Speaker 1: and the truth. Because a lot of these older guys
Speaker 1: is getting out of prison after doing thirty forty one
Speaker 1: years and they're saying, this is bullshit. Why the fuck
Speaker 1: I come home to this? This is what I gave
Speaker 1: my forty years for. You know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 1: speaking for those dudes in Vain. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I didn't did thirty one years. Marcus just got out
Speaker 1: doing thirty one years LB. And there's so many brothers
Speaker 1: that lost their lives believing that this is the way
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be and it's not. It's You've got
Speaker 1: guys out there just call the false prophetis speaking on
Speaker 1: something and and pretending to be the Messiah of the
Speaker 1: par rouge, the Messiah of the crips. And if if
Speaker 1: they don't know the history and can't really sit down
Speaker 1: and tell you the history of this, where do we
Speaker 1: go to. Let me ask you this question, is any
Speaker 1: particular person that you prefer to when you said that, No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't think that's necessarily Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep the line moving. I'm just don't keep
Speaker 1: it one hunting with you. You know, I do not
Speaker 1: like fabrication when it comes to this game history. And
Speaker 1: the reason why because I don't see so many people
Speaker 1: doing life in prison, so many people don lost their
Speaker 1: life and you know, in the graveyard pushing up daisies,
Speaker 1: and I think that it's like, you know, so disrespectful
Speaker 1: for those who did keep it real. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, fro have you seen anybody out there
Speaker 1: just saying stuff that it just gets up under your
Speaker 1: skin because it's so off the cuff. That's a good question. Again.
Speaker 1: I like you, man, you answer the question that I
Speaker 1: want to answer. Well. Number one is this I understand man,
Speaker 1: that the things that we did in life is very shameful.
Speaker 1: It's really nothing to brag about. You know, people that
Speaker 1: lost their mothers kids don't lost their life sitting at
Speaker 1: the bus stop. You know, people don't lost their life
Speaker 1: just because they want to wear burgundy or blue and
Speaker 1: they have nothing to do with game banging. So we
Speaker 1: have all this negative energy. But then you want to
Speaker 1: stop it off. We're not telling the truth, you know,
Speaker 1: and I believe that, you know, it's very shameful. On
Speaker 1: the thing means that we did, you know, because this
Speaker 1: stuff was real wild. And what I mean by wow,
Speaker 1: I mean it gets down to the point where people
Speaker 1: even start running at each other houses and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But I just want to say this right here and
Speaker 1: right now. The only thing, and Wat's that I knew
Speaker 1: in l A that fed the people, sold newspaper to
Speaker 1: the people, or gave people free newspaper of literature. And
Speaker 1: the only thing they were saying was off the pigs.
Speaker 1: They wasn't taking leather coast, all the leathern coasts they
Speaker 1: had on. I'm quite sure they went and bought them
Speaker 1: or their congrads gave it to him. And that was
Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party. I remember them like yesterday, you know,
Speaker 1: and that and that's what I call love. When you
Speaker 1: feed somebody and you educate somebody, you know, and you
Speaker 1: and you want to protect somebody from the system that be,
Speaker 1: the power that be, which is evil against your own community.
Speaker 1: Those are my type of heroes. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying now. When we came out with the negativity, the
Speaker 1: Crypts and the Bloods fighting each other. You know, instead
Speaker 1: of following behind the Black Panthers are picking up the
Speaker 1: guns and practicing revolution, we was practicing self destruction against
Speaker 1: each other. We didn't have no dialogue or nothing. Everything
Speaker 1: was always to find a reason not to come together,
Speaker 1: then to find a reason to come together. But we
Speaker 1: all accepted that we are. I think I think every
Speaker 1: game banger that's that exists today that are used to
Speaker 1: game bank, we all accepted our titles are roads in
Speaker 1: the hood or what we are, what we're gonna be.
Speaker 1: And I think at one point, and I can speak
Speaker 1: for myself, you might walk out the door and might
Speaker 1: not come back through this door today. You know, you
Speaker 1: accepted death by doing what we're doing, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because you might it might be your day
Speaker 1: you get caught up. So I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: rougher than that. Uh, we didn't look at the black panthers.
Speaker 1: We didn't cat what the dope was doing to the
Speaker 1: to the to our neighborhoods. We didn't look at uh
Speaker 1: that cat that's next to us. We didn't. We didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't give it. We didn't give a funk. And
Speaker 1: that's where our life was at. So my whole thing
Speaker 1: is trying to educate these young cats that we have
Speaker 1: out here today that don't notice history, that don't don't
Speaker 1: notice nobody in these pictures, like myself. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Brothers that stood in the middle of the
Speaker 1: street by itself and called everybody out come on this road.
Speaker 1: And the mentality when I read that part in the
Speaker 1: book where he had to monocot the cocktails, posted up
Speaker 1: hide and waited till everybody walked up, and then when
Speaker 1: the situation happened, they threw the cocktails. That strategical ship.
Speaker 1: To me, I'm into that type of ship. I love
Speaker 1: that type of ship. In my days, I didn't just
Speaker 1: go off and just feel like just Bam, I planned
Speaker 1: my ship. But what least you're confesses and That's what
Speaker 1: I like. I like brother who can just confess, even
Speaker 1: even if it's even if it's wrong. The confession is
Speaker 1: good for the soul because that means you you you,
Speaker 1: you're not in denial. It just brings me back to
Speaker 1: you know, this is what we used to be, like
Speaker 1: just like O G. Frog, just like Uh China Dog
Speaker 1: and all all the guys. You know, these cats is
Speaker 1: coming home from thirty one years. They're not looking at
Speaker 1: who they used to be before they went. Because I
Speaker 1: believe everybody that went to prison and did forty for
Speaker 1: for the hood or kill somebody for the hood or
Speaker 1: day they h the opposite side and then get out,
Speaker 1: you don't see that. You don't when you come home
Speaker 1: and something totally different. Everything was there is gone. So
Speaker 1: now they're looking at this ship like, man, this ship
Speaker 1: was for nothing. I didn't. I gave a already fucking
Speaker 1: years for nothing. I believe my brother not to cut
Speaker 1: you off. I believe that there's a word or saying
Speaker 1: that they used to say back in the sixties, and
Speaker 1: I think that it's still true right today. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if they used to in word when they
Speaker 1: said this, but I used to hear this and I
Speaker 1: truly believe this, and I'm gonna use it in a
Speaker 1: respectful way. I think Black people it's afraid of revolution.
Speaker 1: That's why we kill each other. I think we're afraid
Speaker 1: to go against the system. The system is still our master,
Speaker 1: so we don't kill master just saying, well, another slave,
Speaker 1: we would kill him because why he's worthless, you know.
Speaker 1: And now we have the Tennessee. We have the Tennessee
Speaker 1: of saying, not everybody, but some individuals have a tendency
Speaker 1: of coming with the thought. Are the romantic version of
Speaker 1: that Crypts and Bloods at one time was revolutionary. They
Speaker 1: were fighting the police. That's nowhere in history where the
Speaker 1: beginning of the Crypts and Bloods came out fighting against
Speaker 1: the police or calling their self revolutionaries for the community.
Speaker 1: My thing is this, my brother, You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's good to have that train of thought. Once you
Speaker 1: learn about yourself in prison or somebody teach you that
Speaker 1: in Islam that is about self love and love for
Speaker 1: your brother. That's a good thing to do. Brother. But
Speaker 1: for us, the beginning of this, brother, we was all teenagers. Man.
Speaker 1: We wasn't thinking like uh, George Jackson. We wasn't thinking
Speaker 1: like uh Huey Newton. We didn't have that mentality. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, the go deeper a c Bubba Louis,
Speaker 1: King Bubba Louis, he said himself that the Crypts with
Speaker 1: Raymond Washington did not have no principles and morals of
Speaker 1: defending the community. They wasn't even about that. King Bubba
Speaker 1: Louis himself says that they was about taking leather coats
Speaker 1: and beating people down. And now I just wanted to
Speaker 1: just read this very quick to you to see what
Speaker 1: King Bubba Louis had to say about Raymond Washington being
Speaker 1: armed with a firearm compared to Gray boys who never
Speaker 1: used the firearm. I just wanted to see what King
Speaker 1: Bubba Louis has to say in his book, which is
Speaker 1: called The Starting Lineup. I'm quite sure it's a blockbuster
Speaker 1: seller now, so we all know where where I'm probably
Speaker 1: going with this, and where I'm going with this is
Speaker 1: this putting that putting on Parous Street had a big
Speaker 1: brother named Sakai. They got into an incident with the
Speaker 1: original crips at Gonzalez Park because they was in Parouh
Speaker 1: hood at that time. So what had happened was the
Speaker 1: pararouse heard about it and they went up there knowing
Speaker 1: that there was outnumbered. But what they did they rushed
Speaker 1: the guy that was on the outskirts of the crowd,
Speaker 1: maybe by father. Six guys got beat down by some
Speaker 1: powerus on the outskirts and Raymond and the crowd heard
Speaker 1: about it. So what did Raymond do he with the
Speaker 1: Pararous Street, with all the crips to go deal with
Speaker 1: these pious who just did a sneak attack against them
Speaker 1: and Paru Hood at Causal's Park. And I just want
Speaker 1: to read this real briefly, and I just want to
Speaker 1: elaborate on this and see what the brothers have to
Speaker 1: say about the the gunplay as we would call it
Speaker 1: of Raymond Washington. And this is from King Bubba Louis.
Speaker 1: This is not from me. I'm getting this from somebody
Speaker 1: who was right there day one. And this is what
Speaker 1: the word of a c King Bubba Louis said. Once
Speaker 1: back to Parous Street, we waited for a possible counter
Speaker 1: crip attack on Parous Street itself. We waited with Marti
Speaker 1: cocktails in hand on both sides of the street, hiding
Speaker 1: our weight. Wasn't long within an hour or so, the
Speaker 1: crypts mask onto Central Avenue, interest to Parou and such
Speaker 1: numbers that as they proceed down Parus Street, we could
Speaker 1: not see past them. Once again, it had to be
Speaker 1: a hundred or more. As they approached where we were
Speaker 1: in hiding, they were not aware or where we were hiding.
Speaker 1: Saki came out of hiding this putting brother Sakai with
Speaker 1: an African spear in his hand and stood in the
Speaker 1: middle of the street and announced, this is sack I
Speaker 1: X Avenue and now Paru me and Raymond Washington can
Speaker 1: settle this issue head up. One of the crypts said
Speaker 1: to Raymond, he's calling you out. So instead of Raymond
Speaker 1: meeting this challenge head up, he ran up the middle
Speaker 1: of the crypts towards Saka, shooting a gun. When Raymond
Speaker 1: starts shooting, we who were in hiding, launched our Marti cocktails,
Speaker 1: causing the crypts to retreat. Sakai somehow was able to
Speaker 1: proceed them Parou Street, resulting in all the crypts fleeting
Speaker 1: Parou Street. Now this is King Bubba louis a c
Speaker 1: This is his book. This is not my book. This
Speaker 1: is his story, This is not my story. Do I
Speaker 1: believe it. Yes, I believe it. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I believe it because a C love Raymond. Raymond is
Speaker 1: not a C enemy. He still loves Raymond. He'll let
Speaker 1: you know he still loves Raymond. And board Dog. He
Speaker 1: had no reason to sit here and fabricate on Raymond Washington.
Speaker 1: But the truth is that Raymond was a gunner and
Speaker 1: he shot up Parou Street. Now you can call a
Speaker 1: C a lie, but he know Raymond before anybody just
Speaker 1: about who was there, because he was there from the beginning.
Speaker 1: So the only one that can call him a life
Speaker 1: probably is board Dog and get away with it because
Speaker 1: he was chain of command number two. Do anybody want
Speaker 1: to elaborate on that subject? Another case right there, one
Speaker 1: brother willing to go head up another brother with a gun. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that was kind of like the thing, like, that's
Speaker 1: what I want to know. When did the pistol play
Speaker 1: really start up? Like the pistol play, my brother? That's
Speaker 1: kind of heavy, man, that's real heavy when you say
Speaker 1: the pistol play, because that right there, it is just
Speaker 1: about the beginning. That's before the brim even got murdered,
Speaker 1: when country was even dead. Yet this is the beginning
Speaker 1: at cooking up right here. This Molotov cocktails. You know
Speaker 1: that sounds like the military. I know, I know. Before
Speaker 1: seventy one they was using the zip guns and then
Speaker 1: they introduced that and the dirty Age special that was
Speaker 1: in the sixties. Uncle Willie used to carry zip gun
Speaker 1: in the sixties. Uncle t thirty eight in the late sixties.
Speaker 1: So they always had guns because back then, robbery was
Speaker 1: a motherfucker at that time. That's how brothers was getting
Speaker 1: their money. And you had the like with with with
Speaker 1: and and oh my god, just what you read right there.
Speaker 1: It's what I've been talking about the whole time. Whether
Speaker 1: what is it gonna show us to say that where
Speaker 1: we at today is wrong opposed to where they were
Speaker 1: at and their time was right. They was doing it
Speaker 1: totally different. It's pretty much the same ship. But then
Speaker 1: it just more, it just advanced more, and and when
Speaker 1: it got to me, it was full fledged. So we
Speaker 1: can't stop it now, We can't stop it now? How
Speaker 1: do we how do we take the history of what
Speaker 1: your brothers broun to the table and turn it around
Speaker 1: and and and shove this bullshit down the stoat? Well,
Speaker 1: I would say that and defense of Raym because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the true brother to know the only
Speaker 1: solution I know. I only know one solution. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I know to solutions. My number one solution is I
Speaker 1: believe only God can change everything. Everything. When I tall everything,
Speaker 1: I mean everything for the better. I don't think a
Speaker 1: man can do it. I don't think so. I don't
Speaker 1: think a man can do it. I think only God
Speaker 1: can do it. I've been on this earth for sixty
Speaker 1: three years. I think only God can do it. So
Speaker 1: you don't think if if these youngsters here your story
Speaker 1: came by theolution story, a China dog story, LB story,
Speaker 1: accept the Anne story, all of these old g s
Speaker 1: coming out and telling the truth about what the funk
Speaker 1: it is? Part handed my brother. I handed you was
Speaker 1: once hard handy who can tell you anything. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of nobody in their position. Put yourself in their position
Speaker 1: to think how you were, and that that's all you
Speaker 1: have to do. And that's why I'm saying what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I've thought about that many times. That's why I can't
Speaker 1: get on this on this platform and say these stupid
Speaker 1: little motherfucker's I was a stupid, little motherfucking I can't
Speaker 1: be contradicting. I can't be a hypocrite about this ship.
Speaker 1: I always want them, Okay, So take from what I
Speaker 1: know and how I'm thinking now and apply to a
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen year old, Because if you're thirty five and
Speaker 1: forty five and fifties still out there gangbanging, ain't no
Speaker 1: saving you. This is what you want to do. Some
Speaker 1: of us are trapped. So how do we get out
Speaker 1: of that, out of the mr being trapped and and
Speaker 1: listen and understanding what we see here? Well, I have
Speaker 1: to think one thing because my conscious is really getting
Speaker 1: the best of me on this, and not to push
Speaker 1: whatever you're saying to the side, but to try to add,
Speaker 1: to understand it, onto this, onto this subject. And I
Speaker 1: would say this, we have to look at the Raymond
Speaker 1: side of the point of view. Also, he's only human.
Speaker 1: If a man is in the middle street with a
Speaker 1: spear calling you out in front of your homeboys, I'm
Speaker 1: saying into your homeboys, whisper in your ear, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? And you're supposed to be the shot
Speaker 1: caller and they're looking at you, they're saying, and he
Speaker 1: got a spear in his hand. You know you need
Speaker 1: to do two things. Put down a spear and let's
Speaker 1: get down, or you could do another thing. You can
Speaker 1: get an equalizer. You're saying something that maybe over an equalizer,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. I look at it as a blessing
Speaker 1: that he didn't kill the brother, you know, so maybe
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have picked up the spear anyway. But the
Speaker 1: only point that I'm making exist they have some people brother,
Speaker 1: that walked this earth. No matter what you do, how
Speaker 1: you want to fight, they're gonna take the lower role
Speaker 1: in the lord road, the lord row. See. The higher
Speaker 1: road to me in my mind, is is a person
Speaker 1: who thinks that they are superior over somebody. The crypts. Yes,
Speaker 1: they they superior over all the games that was existing
Speaker 1: against him, you know. And I hate to say this,
Speaker 1: but man, they was dangerous man. There was some dangerous
Speaker 1: brother man, and Raymond had to push that line to
Speaker 1: show his power. Still, you know, he ruled with an
Speaker 1: iron fish, my brother, so maybe that pistol that was
Speaker 1: made out of iron. Maybe he wanted to rule with
Speaker 1: an iron pistol. So you know, either or iron fish,
Speaker 1: iron pistol, he made his choice. And that's the bottom
Speaker 1: line into this game thing it's your choice. It's your
Speaker 1: choice if you want to fight a brother, and it's
Speaker 1: your choice if you want to kill a brother. So
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what choice to make because that's
Speaker 1: your choice. Hold that thought. We're coming right back. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back to this question because I know we're
Speaker 1: being like, Um, you know you're coming home because you
Speaker 1: did some time. When did you come on? Brother? I
Speaker 1: came home man two thousand and eight after doing sixteen
Speaker 1: years from Rodney Keen Riot. So I did that sixteen
Speaker 1: that gave me thirty and I did half of it
Speaker 1: and gave my heart to the Lord and I made
Speaker 1: it out in halftime. Okay, So let me ask you this, brother.
Speaker 1: So we got a situation of where you come home.
Speaker 1: You're going in during the riots and you come out.
Speaker 1: Technology is just way more advanced now at this point,
Speaker 1: and you're looking online. Um, I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was that point where people start really putting this type
Speaker 1: of content out online, but you're looking at everything, right,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen anything that what perturbs you the
Speaker 1: most about the lives? Like, is there any particular person
Speaker 1: or any anyone in particular You're just kind of going
Speaker 1: at all of them. Are you speaking at for it
Speaker 1: changed me changing my lifestyle. No, I'm talking about as
Speaker 1: far as the brothers out here. That's kind of like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about gang history, but they out there
Speaker 1: kind of perverting effects. Well, I would say this about
Speaker 1: this man. You know, I believe that you know, huh.
Speaker 1: I hate to go religious on you, but I believe
Speaker 1: in the word of God so much to the point
Speaker 1: that stone reason why I believe I truly really stopped
Speaker 1: you know, uh, soltlude people and shooting people and even
Speaker 1: fighting people, because I believe that what really makes you
Speaker 1: a man is forgiveness. What really makes you a man
Speaker 1: is turning the other cheek because you know what, my brother,
Speaker 1: is easy to catch your murder out here. And then
Speaker 1: when you get stuck up in there. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the first thing you're gonna say to yourself again,
Speaker 1: I should have followed my first mind, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think that love over ruge. Hey. I believe that
Speaker 1: love overpower everything on this earth. And that's the hardest
Speaker 1: thing for a person to do is show love to
Speaker 1: an enemy. That's the hardest thing to show love to
Speaker 1: someone who killed somebody that was your friend. Who killed
Speaker 1: somebody that was your relative. Do you remember colors by
Speaker 1: Iced Tea. He said, it wasn't your brother who brutally died,
Speaker 1: but it was mine. So let me define my rhetory.
Speaker 1: Don't cross the line. Don't try to act crazy because
Speaker 1: the U won't fade me. You're run like a punk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what Ice t saying. I believe that it wasn't
Speaker 1: your brother who poorly died. So sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: understand that when people have cagedies on both sides. It's
Speaker 1: like the hill buildings, It's like the Federal and and
Speaker 1: the Klansmen during the time of war when they were
Speaker 1: the Confederate You know what I'm saying. Of course, the
Speaker 1: sleeve got the slaves was free by during the war,
Speaker 1: uh with the clueklu klans as the Confederate army. But
Speaker 1: you have to understand one thing. They did not forgive
Speaker 1: the black people, but they forgave the white people and
Speaker 1: became the part of the United States government. But they
Speaker 1: still had that hatred for the slave because it's the
Speaker 1: superiority trip. Who are you to live on the level
Speaker 1: that I lived when my granddaddy had you in the
Speaker 1: cotton fields and we have that same mentality. Who are you?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what a little gag the
Speaker 1: size of maybe ten people when I got a thousand people,
Speaker 1: You're nothing to me. You're a buzzard, You're nothing. But
Speaker 1: then again you have to understand, then, this is what
Speaker 1: I believe in. It's not the amount of people that exists,
Speaker 1: it's the heart of the people that exists in that number.
Speaker 1: So you can have a thousand cowards, what that have
Speaker 1: to do with Dillingwood a hundred warriors. They're gonna lose
Speaker 1: because guess what, They're going to retreat and they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep on retreating because for the simple fact unestimation. Unestimation
Speaker 1: is what got a lot of crypts and blood killed
Speaker 1: today by thinking, Oh, I can go over here and
Speaker 1: mess with this female on Hoover Street, or I can
Speaker 1: go over here and mess with this female on Grandy
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, But have you ever thought
Speaker 1: about that the female that you are messing with on
Speaker 1: Hoover Street a Grandy Street, or set you up to
Speaker 1: get you killed. And that happened many times because you
Speaker 1: unestimate not only the crypts, but also oh undercovered crippolette
Speaker 1: that sets you up. Well, that's to making the female
Speaker 1: with that, and that's what happens that that's that's real
Speaker 1: because every every all my baby mama's from the crips
Speaker 1: from Hoover, uh i e south Side, all of my
Speaker 1: baby mamas crips. And and trust me, my first seld
Speaker 1: mama lived on a hunting in the eighteen so I
Speaker 1: used to catch the bus straight up Rosecrans to San
Speaker 1: Pedro and mob down San Pedro to her house just
Speaker 1: over there, just kicking it like it's the thing with
Speaker 1: with with Chuck Taylor's on in my red shoe strings
Speaker 1: and my little pistol and just mob and because we
Speaker 1: didn't care back then. But they never fucked with me.
Speaker 1: You was blast, you had you had to hand a
Speaker 1: guy on you that that that's more that didn't make it.
Speaker 1: That did made it. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 1: Then we didn't give a fucking we if that was
Speaker 1: the game, that was the game, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we didn't pay attention to how
Speaker 1: many people we heard by just hurting one person, how
Speaker 1: many people we heard it just doing that one person
Speaker 1: vice versa. We don't think about that the impact that
Speaker 1: that that we had out there in the streets, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And that's where we need to
Speaker 1: get to. And these brothers right here, I mean, we've
Speaker 1: been doing this ship for a long time, for a
Speaker 1: long time, and it was it was brothers like yourself
Speaker 1: that I watched, watching China Dog them up under the headquarters,
Speaker 1: Stanley pitched, and watching all of these brothers, how they
Speaker 1: got down, how they moved, how those cats uh would
Speaker 1: would be fighting in the park and nobody give up. Man,
Speaker 1: I gotta be like that, how China Dog could wave
Speaker 1: his hands and all them eskin is what's up, homies?
Speaker 1: What's up? Big homie? He had it sold up like
Speaker 1: I don't know, fuck, you know, just just certain things
Speaker 1: about certain homies. I drew to that. I gravitated to that,
Speaker 1: and I took a little something from China Dog. I
Speaker 1: took a little something from Stanley Pitch. I took a
Speaker 1: little something from both Jangles. I took a little something
Speaker 1: from all of those guys and just wrote it all
Speaker 1: up in one. That's how I'm rolling. So I can't
Speaker 1: be denied of who I'm gonna be I can't be denied,
Speaker 1: and I worked my ass off to be that motherfucker,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But now the regret, the
Speaker 1: regret it, and then we have I mean, this is
Speaker 1: history right here, like some real cats, like in some
Speaker 1: real life ship, but it's ten times worser now. And
Speaker 1: then you got people lying on these cats that really,
Speaker 1: like you, went to prison and fought those wars, and
Speaker 1: then they come home and say they fought the war,
Speaker 1: but they've never been a motherfucking prison. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: my brother, I'm gonna tell you something. Man. You know,
Speaker 1: we all have our individuals who we look up to,
Speaker 1: you know, and those who who I even look up
Speaker 1: to myself. And Ray Boys and t V Clark. T
Speaker 1: V Clark rest in peace. He just passed away. And
Speaker 1: he's a historic co brother, just like Ray Boys. And
Speaker 1: I have a picture of both of them. T V
Speaker 1: is the one with the black hat on wearing all
Speaker 1: black and Ray Boys have a beige hat with a
Speaker 1: black black band on it, wearing a blue shirt, and
Speaker 1: he's smiling real real wide. These two brothers right here,
Speaker 1: my brother, I know without a doubt, and can't nobody
Speaker 1: tell me, but God, they didn't pick up no guns, brother,
Speaker 1: back in the sixties and the seventies. Know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I said before, these are our guns right here,
Speaker 1: my brother and I got that from them learning that
Speaker 1: same thing with Craig Munster said sometimes, brother, you know,
Speaker 1: you have to understand that what makes you more of
Speaker 1: a man to me, as I had to mature and
Speaker 1: the evolve into this mentality, what makes you more of
Speaker 1: a man is when you can know how to protect
Speaker 1: yourself from the shoulders. Because I want to tell you
Speaker 1: something about that, my brother. What I'm saying, a coward
Speaker 1: can shoot a gun, my brother, a coward can shoot
Speaker 1: a gun. And majority of us and I would I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this lightly, majority of us as gang
Speaker 1: members a k a. Gangsters that want to be on
Speaker 1: the scene as a gaigster. The ones who like to
Speaker 1: shoot up everything and don't fight, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Those are the ones, brother, that need to be disciplined
Speaker 1: to me to learn how to fight. You know, See,
Speaker 1: do we we don't have no organization. We just do
Speaker 1: things round the league. And so therefore by people doing
Speaker 1: things round them league, they're not trained. They just do
Speaker 1: as as they please. You know, like uh T Rogers
Speaker 1: said himself, the Black Stones had principles, they had you know,
Speaker 1: they trained each other, they knew, they had knowledge, and
Speaker 1: they was an organization. We were not an organization. The
Speaker 1: Cryptim Bloods. We didn't start organizing until we went to
Speaker 1: prison in Saint Quentin. And then folks him and Tracy
Speaker 1: just like they had to organize, and Dwight Ts Ray
Speaker 1: Boys and Baba Louis and Little Vins and and l B.
Speaker 1: They was all organizing. The Bondar Rugs. They took the
Speaker 1: red bandanna which meant py u, and took the bonny
Speaker 1: hunter sign which meant blood, and came together as Bondar rugs.
Speaker 1: And that's organizing right there, to come together against the opposition. Now,
Speaker 1: the same opposition we came against. We're black people who
Speaker 1: we felt that was terrorizing the community. But what about
Speaker 1: the police? Don't they terrorize the community. Why we so
Speaker 1: so quick to take off on each other. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to that guy, huh and that and that
Speaker 1: black and white police are you're saying, when when when
Speaker 1: when he comes on the block, first thing we want
Speaker 1: to do is either run, drop our guns are surrender
Speaker 1: and everything but if somebody come down, get ready to
Speaker 1: it drive by, you're gonna spray that whole car up. Right,
Speaker 1: self hate, my brother self hate what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: that's what I do. Just like about gang members who
Speaker 1: do not have heard enough to stand up against the system,
Speaker 1: like they stand up against their own people oftentimes. Um,
Speaker 1: what I do see a lot of time, man, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of self hatred just amongst black people period,
Speaker 1: not just the gang bangers. Right because you look, um,
Speaker 1: you will see brothers start to elevate and climb, you know,
Speaker 1: and they climb it's like you're climbing the fence. And James, Um,
Speaker 1: the way James described at one time was perfect because
Speaker 1: he said, it's like you're crawling over a fence and
Speaker 1: you got a million motherfucker's grab next your ankles to
Speaker 1: pull you back down. Right. Um. I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot of that. Um. We see things that have in
Speaker 1: the community, we have bypassed that, but yet we go
Speaker 1: slap the ship out of this brother over here that's
Speaker 1: not bothering nobody. And I think a lot of that stuff, man,
Speaker 1: was programmed in us. I believe the Willie Lynch letter,
Speaker 1: all that stuff is very real man. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff is just strategy strategically in place now
Speaker 1: to destroy the black community. I really believe that if
Speaker 1: you look at it, if you look at some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that's going on, even with the way gang
Speaker 1: banging is set up in itself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like you look at the Nixon Gardens, right, you
Speaker 1: have a place of property, right, it's property all through
Speaker 1: they don't. Nobody got nothing. So the one person that
Speaker 1: does get something, whether that's legal or legal, whether that
Speaker 1: it could be a brother just going down to the
Speaker 1: docks and getting the job on the docks. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you have a million motherfucker's mad at
Speaker 1: him because he went and got that. How dare he
Speaker 1: tried to progress? And now he's talking about now his
Speaker 1: kids going to school, saying, yeah, we're about to move
Speaker 1: out of here, the other little kids here, that stuff like,
Speaker 1: how dare they leave the six waste that they in?
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Brok? But I believe
Speaker 1: that misery love company my brother, you know, and even
Speaker 1: sends it in the body with my brother. When people
Speaker 1: go to hell and they go to the Lake of Fire,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be cussing each other out in the name
Speaker 1: of Satan because they're gonna be so tormented to where
Speaker 1: your pain is gonna be hurting you so much, to
Speaker 1: where you'll be taking it out on your neighbors in hell.
Speaker 1: You know. So I understand what that dialogue means right there,
Speaker 1: my brother. That means that people don't like suffering by theirselfs.
Speaker 1: And when you come from a property area like that.
Speaker 1: And if I remind me of a song when I
Speaker 1: was a little boy back in the days, the Temptations
Speaker 1: sing a song, don't let the jones get you down.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, if you see something you won't and
Speaker 1: you know you can't afford it, you know what what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the best thing you to do is go work for it.
Speaker 1: Don't be jealous of your neighbor because they got a
Speaker 1: new Cadillac. Go buy you a CADILLAK keep saying, save
Speaker 1: up your money and get you something you know, uh.
Speaker 1: And if you can't do that, you're saying, find something
Speaker 1: uh constructive to do where you don't have to be
Speaker 1: focusing on materialistic things exactly. And you know, speaking on that,
Speaker 1: I gotta give a shout out to my boy Anthony
Speaker 1: Tiffic dude Dog from the Nixon Guardens, you know, startup
Speaker 1: top Dog Entertainment. He's one of the first entertainers I've
Speaker 1: seen actually do everything right that comes from the gang life.
Speaker 1: You don't see him out there, you know, he ain't
Speaker 1: went and dropped, did no negative stuff. Hedn't win and
Speaker 1: got twenty thirty armies from the Nickersons and just take
Speaker 1: out there and let him terrorize people. That ain't what
Speaker 1: he did. He brings a concert there every year. He
Speaker 1: employs people, you know what I mean. He he brings
Speaker 1: some positive that he gives. He gives back to the
Speaker 1: community in a positive manner. He's not one person. He
Speaker 1: can't help everybody. But I do see him do some
Speaker 1: amazing stuff over there. And you've got some people that
Speaker 1: leave and just never come back. Why do you think
Speaker 1: that is? Man, that's kind of heavy. My brother leave
Speaker 1: and never come back. What do they leave to my brother?
Speaker 1: You know, just catch that, you know, theoretically, escape and
Speaker 1: make it out of there like they may make. They
Speaker 1: may it made him, you know, to escape out of there.
Speaker 1: It may be you are simply is moving to the
Speaker 1: ind of the empire. You may have got a good
Speaker 1: job and just left went to them. Ain't never going
Speaker 1: back around here no more. Brother, you're talking about me.
Speaker 1: I'm that man. I'm that man who only go to
Speaker 1: Nikos and Gordon average once a year, or every once
Speaker 1: or tw twice a year, you know, every six months
Speaker 1: or once a year. And I want to tell you why,
Speaker 1: my brother. I love them brothers over there. I left
Speaker 1: a lot of brothers over there I love. I got
Speaker 1: love for Loaf Rinsey, I got love from them Lockboys
Speaker 1: also we we I love them brothers, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love Snoop, I love them with them brothers.
Speaker 1: You know, those my second generation brothers, and they're growing
Speaker 1: up over there still. They've been there since the sixties,
Speaker 1: in the seventies. And it's something about the love that
Speaker 1: I have for them. Brother. I understand that it's not
Speaker 1: easy for everybody to make transitions from out the project,
Speaker 1: coming straight from prison. You got to have money, man,
Speaker 1: to live in a nice neighborhood. And I was just
Speaker 1: blessed enough to to to know a church foundation that
Speaker 1: they gave me and my wife. They're what they called
Speaker 1: it their credit to rent a house. I didn't have
Speaker 1: no credit when I came home, I didn't have nothing.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying matter fact, you know, saying I was
Speaker 1: living with for family members. Now I have something that
Speaker 1: I have my family in and and that is something
Speaker 1: that that that I really value. I value that. Guess
Speaker 1: what it's like. It's like returning to slavery in a sense,
Speaker 1: slavery is proverty. That's another sense of proverty, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why they want to keep us at in
Speaker 1: a slave like state of eating pork and throwing the
Speaker 1: guts to to the slaves and were eating their leftovers.
Speaker 1: That that's how they treat us in that sense. Right today,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't give us the best food in
Speaker 1: our community. You see a looking store and McDonald's everywhere,
Speaker 1: But do you see uh farmer John's or whatever the
Speaker 1: places that that that that they grow that organic food.
Speaker 1: You don't see that in wants and comfort. So they
Speaker 1: don't help our best interest, brothers. So what we have
Speaker 1: to do put our money together, brother and start our
Speaker 1: own organic food supply because they're not going to give
Speaker 1: it to us in their neighborhood. They're gonna put it
Speaker 1: in their own community. Now, the thing about an individual
Speaker 1: leaving the neighborhood and not wanting to come back. The
Speaker 1: only way I can see that if you truly, truly
Speaker 1: make a one hundred I'm talking about one hundred percent
Speaker 1: change in your mind and heart to the point to
Speaker 1: where some things that you're do in life, in some
Speaker 1: places that you have been in life, in your mind,
Speaker 1: it can be disgusting. In other words, it can be
Speaker 1: tormented to you to the point to where you want
Speaker 1: to never see that again. You don't want to even
Speaker 1: come in contact with that norm. It's just like a
Speaker 1: female being raped. You. You you get so term tormented
Speaker 1: to where now you don't want to go down in
Speaker 1: peril highway through wats. You don't want to go down
Speaker 1: the one on five because it brings back bad memories.
Speaker 1: And you know, and and here it is now you
Speaker 1: live in a luxury, a luxury life to the point
Speaker 1: to where you want to leave all that behind you.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's what I call keeping the line moving.
Speaker 1: So you can't be mad at a brother because you
Speaker 1: don't want to return to Oh No, never because I
Speaker 1: left a place. I left the east side of Cleveland, Ohio,
Speaker 1: and ain't winning back. Ain't never went back because it
Speaker 1: was it's priority. It's a lot of priority. It's depression.
Speaker 1: You know. You see homeboys that you come up with,
Speaker 1: they get hooked on that dope or that they go to,
Speaker 1: you know, prison just you know, just getting out of prison.
Speaker 1: It's just like a revolving door almost up there, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You see a brother staying, You
Speaker 1: go back to the crib and you say, well, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't miss it because this dude right here, he
Speaker 1: was just out when I came back, and now he's
Speaker 1: back in there. You know, it's a revolving door. And
Speaker 1: that that takes me back to my point. Man, I
Speaker 1: believe a lot of this stuff is designed for it
Speaker 1: to happen that way. Then I believe they didn't have
Speaker 1: to do that hard of a job because I think
Speaker 1: we are own worst enemies a lot of times. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is. I just parolled fourteen years ago from a
Speaker 1: California man's college and I was down there with my
Speaker 1: partner named Marcellus Robinson from Compton. And you know that's
Speaker 1: my boy right there, cec Rodder, that's my loved one
Speaker 1: right there. Just talk to him over the phone. Uh,
Speaker 1: Mellie Mayle hooked es up together and I got love
Speaker 1: for that brother, you know. And you know what we
Speaker 1: have to understand, my brother, is that you know, uh,
Speaker 1: some things can be very tormented my brother. You know,
Speaker 1: it would be just like, uh, they got some brothers
Speaker 1: that hate prisons so much they'd rather die on the
Speaker 1: streets than they go back to prison. They would they
Speaker 1: would tell you, I'm holding court in the streets. And
Speaker 1: I can understand that mentality because this pain is suffering
Speaker 1: to live through. That is suffering, my brother. It takes
Speaker 1: a very strong individual man to do forty years, to
Speaker 1: do forty five years, like my boy LB. It takes
Speaker 1: a lot man to do that. We all can't do that,
Speaker 1: my brother. And you won't really really really know until
Speaker 1: you up against their grind because everybody can say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that ain't nothing, I ain't gonna kill myself, But it's
Speaker 1: a lot of brothers that have killed themselves. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go to the names right now, but we also
Speaker 1: know that a lot of strong brothers have committed suicide
Speaker 1: up in them joints because they can't get away from
Speaker 1: the torment. And the torment is this this, this is
Speaker 1: this is me. This is this is my personal personal belief.
Speaker 1: I think we fight ourselves. Sometimes we fight our own
Speaker 1: demons and we lose the voices that go to your head.
Speaker 1: You would never be nothing. You'll always be in the ghetto.
Speaker 1: When you go home, nobody don't love you. You're coming
Speaker 1: back again all these things. Your your mother died and
Speaker 1: you weren't even there for the funeral, you know, saying
Speaker 1: your son died and you weren't even there for the
Speaker 1: federal That's that. That's the voice of demons. Brother, are
Speaker 1: trying to get you to commit suicide. And believe it
Speaker 1: or not, I want to say it because it's one
Speaker 1: hundred You gotta watch with some of your homeboys. Tell
Speaker 1: you also, because they can also be demodic. They can
Speaker 1: mislead you to to get killed. They can mislead you
Speaker 1: to get destroyed. What I'm saying that goes also in
Speaker 1: the realm of human beings, not just satan. You know,
Speaker 1: You've got some people out of these streets that take
Speaker 1: a form of satan. Then you just don't see it
Speaker 1: exactly because I tell you this, and this is how
Speaker 1: I was aged. I've never been a man for gossip. Right.
Speaker 1: If I'm riding down the street and I see your
Speaker 1: wife in the car with another man. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: jump on the phone and tell you, hey, frog, I
Speaker 1: guess saw your old lady out here with something niked.
Speaker 1: That's messy. I don't know who that man was. I
Speaker 1: don't know who that was. That could have been her daddy.
Speaker 1: She could have been with her brother, she could have
Speaker 1: been with her uncle. I don't know what place you went.
Speaker 1: And mentally you maybe already having some stuff with your
Speaker 1: old lady and she come home. Next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you in prison for doing something your old laddy for
Speaker 1: a misunderstand if it's some stuff that was gossip, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you the definitely lives out there,
Speaker 1: and the devil does man and fest yourself in homies
Speaker 1: and this and that because you have some homeboys that
Speaker 1: have called you about your business that they don't know
Speaker 1: nothing about, telling you about what's going on with this,
Speaker 1: this and the third, and then now that you've got
Speaker 1: a big menagerie going on a bunch of mess. So
Speaker 1: it is a spiritual condition. It's a condition of the spirit. Man,
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about real love, my brother. I
Speaker 1: can remember when I was a solid dad and we
Speaker 1: got ready to take off on the white boys, the
Speaker 1: bloods and the rips, you know. And we was in
Speaker 1: f wing. Already told his story twice and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna just elaborate on this. I had a homeboy. He
Speaker 1: was there with me and they was silkie blood. He
Speaker 1: was not even in the wing that we was in.
Speaker 1: He popped up in there just to holler at me
Speaker 1: to see what was going on. And the first thing
Speaker 1: I told you get out of here is gonna go down.
Speaker 1: I don't want you up in there because you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get away. You're not. You're out of bound. So
Speaker 1: I'm letting you know right now for your safety and
Speaker 1: for you to stay on the main line. Leaves that
Speaker 1: was out of love because you have some guy what's
Speaker 1: called him and say he's a coward for not staying. See,
Speaker 1: he don't have the best interest in hand. You know
Speaker 1: some things, brother, you can handle on yourself, and you
Speaker 1: ain't gotta take nobody down with you every time. And
Speaker 1: that's what real love is about, brother, is wanted somebody
Speaker 1: to least escape out of the madness, what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's where we have it all twisted, brother and
Speaker 1: saying we need to be happy to see a brother
Speaker 1: get up and get out to ghetto. We should be
Speaker 1: happy to see a brother you know, uh changes life
Speaker 1: for the better. Just like Pops say, I ain't mad
Speaker 1: at you. Why should you be mad at the individual
Speaker 1: that's doing better? Know what I'm saying. If anything, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Find out how that he got
Speaker 1: to that plateau. How what did he do to to
Speaker 1: to rise up to that level? Instead of sitting back
Speaker 1: plotting on, you find up breaking his house and steal everything,
Speaker 1: or you finna burn his car up because he has
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's being and you don't have one
Speaker 1: the formula. Find out the formula. They can come in
Speaker 1: my house and break in the motherfuckering you won't get
Speaker 1: You might come through the front door, but you won't
Speaker 1: go back out that way because you're gonna get popped
Speaker 1: on when you first come. Said they're coming in vertical
Speaker 1: leaving overzone. Hey, hey, hey, hey, and I got love
Speaker 1: everything and everybody. But if you if it's if it's
Speaker 1: that's the way I gotta go, that's the way it
Speaker 1: gotta go. Some things you don't forget. You know that
Speaker 1: this is one of those things too. Man, the world,
Speaker 1: I wish we you know, the show hour long. We
Speaker 1: already over that. But I want to have you come back, man,
Speaker 1: because I don't feel like this story is finished. Can
Speaker 1: we do that? Well, uh yeah, I'm gonna take care
Speaker 1: of me. He gotta come back. And and this is
Speaker 1: what I want everybody to know. Me and Norman. Our
Speaker 1: purpose is to show that everybody. I listen to everybody,
Speaker 1: but I'm like this, every we all got a choice.
Speaker 1: And when you're standing in that moment and you in
Speaker 1: the heat of it and you feel like you gotta
Speaker 1: do something, look at it. Who's around you, and make
Speaker 1: that choice. If he's gonna go to jail with me,
Speaker 1: fucking let's do it. If he ain't gonna run out
Speaker 1: on me, fucking let's do it. Let's get at these cats.
Speaker 1: But everybody got a choice, and we made a lot
Speaker 1: of choices. We are lucky to be here, and we
Speaker 1: made a lot of choices. We made a lot of
Speaker 1: choices that wouldn't right. But for all of these little
Speaker 1: young cats out here, we have a choice. And that's
Speaker 1: the bottom line. Well, our choices is man, We're gonna
Speaker 1: grow up and be grown men and raised our grandkids,
Speaker 1: you know. And and for those brothers that oh he
Speaker 1: he didn't turn into a woman. He raising kids. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm proud to be a grandfather, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of us brothers. I got a
Speaker 1: lot of homies that didn't even have one kid. I
Speaker 1: got some o g s that don't have no kids,
Speaker 1: never been married. Oh we know his prison and death.
Speaker 1: So if we can get away from that, we'll be
Speaker 1: all right. Well, I want to say this about Ray
Speaker 1: Boys and Toppy Clark. I believe him brothers had the gift.
Speaker 1: I've been athletes, professional athletes in boxing and sports track, whatever,
Speaker 1: but they wanted to hang out with the homeboys, see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying in the hood. Ray Boys with the college.
Speaker 1: He went to Southwest, He played back He played football
Speaker 1: four White Ts in seventy Speedy original Speedy from back Street.
Speaker 1: Cript told me that Ray Boys was the beast on
Speaker 1: White Ts. You training school, uh football field, and I
Speaker 1: know that Ray Boys ran the ball like uh Earl Campbell,
Speaker 1: and he hit the He hits you like he was
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor. The brother had professional hard hidding skills and
Speaker 1: hard running skills. If he would have took that from Southwest,
Speaker 1: from White TS to Southwest. Matter of fact, they said,
Speaker 1: from Jordan's seventy one or seventy, and then he went
Speaker 1: to TS. He played for Jordan's and he was a
Speaker 1: beast at Jordan's. And then he played for White Ts.
Speaker 1: He was a beast at White Ts. Then he went
Speaker 1: to White went to Southwest College and seventy two and
Speaker 1: he played for Southwest College and he ended up going
Speaker 1: right back. He went to he he went right back.
Speaker 1: But my whole thing is this, my brother, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: which your wont for our brothers. If you see a
Speaker 1: brother with talent, you know, and you see that he
Speaker 1: got the ability to get up out of here, man,
Speaker 1: you should want that for him and not want to
Speaker 1: be drinking and smoking and urging him to hang out
Speaker 1: on the streets. But to you you know, I hate to
Speaker 1: say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I hate
Speaker 1: to say the thing about two pots situations dealing with
Speaker 1: the situation of I'm just gonna put it this, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use myself. For example, if I was a
Speaker 1: producer or anything like Dr Dre or Sugar anybody, and
Speaker 1: I had a rapper that was worth a million dollars
Speaker 1: or billion, dollars industry. He would be kept very safe,
Speaker 1: very safe because I love him and I love I
Speaker 1: would want the best for him and his family. Because
Speaker 1: the man is on a positive role, I would keep
Speaker 1: him away from the negativity. So if I see somebody
Speaker 1: that have a good boxing hand, a good sport hand,
Speaker 1: I would try to guide him to stay into that
Speaker 1: and leave the game members along. This is can be
Speaker 1: this is this this, this is this can be beneficial
Speaker 1: for the community. He could open up doors for people
Speaker 1: like in the projects to to join basketball or football,
Speaker 1: just like uh and Andre Miller. He he became a
Speaker 1: Golden Naked He's from Nickoson Garden. He never gained banging
Speaker 1: his life. Yes, Andre Miller, he's he's he's my homeboy.
Speaker 1: He knowed me personally. I didn't even know who he
Speaker 1: was until I ran up only one day and he said,
Speaker 1: what's up for all? I'm Andre Miller. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: you to go to Nugget And he greeted me because
Speaker 1: he knew me as a little boy. And and that
Speaker 1: made me feel good that the brother from the Golden
Speaker 1: Nugget is a multi millionaire and he's not in the project.
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about robbing him or killing him. I
Speaker 1: hate none. I was happy for him because I guess what,
Speaker 1: my brother, that could be me too if I would
Speaker 1: have took that same role. We made choices in life,
Speaker 1: just like Ray Boys. He was best in sport and
Speaker 1: best in boxing. I would say he was the best
Speaker 1: with his fist in l a from what too Pretty
Speaker 1: Chinny and mc thomas was talking about. But that's another
Speaker 1: kend of worms. But my whole thing is this my brother.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I love these brothers to the point to
Speaker 1: where in my heart right today I want the best
Speaker 1: for them, and I would like to give a role
Speaker 1: call out on these pictures very briefly, if it's all right,
Speaker 1: do you think okay? Number one is Ray Boys. He's
Speaker 1: squatting down in nineteen seventy five. He just got out
Speaker 1: of y. This is when uh he was uh working
Speaker 1: for the w S c a C. And by the fact, yes,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy he came home. In nineteen seventy five, he's
Speaker 1: working for uh, yeah he was. By the fact, he's
Speaker 1: doing construction work for the Nickison Garden projects. They were
Speaker 1: rebuilding the inside, remodeling the projects. In seventy seventy six.
Speaker 1: So uh, the Watch Community Authority, House Authority hired a
Speaker 1: lot of bounty hunters to do work and they was
Speaker 1: getting paid in seventy six, they was getting paid like
Speaker 1: twenty dollars an hour. They was the mess security. That's also,
Speaker 1: that's right. I remember when they build the freeway over
Speaker 1: there on Imperial because the white folks can't come up
Speaker 1: Imperial without getting them bbs and shipped. And my generation
Speaker 1: in the seventies Ray Boys, Terry Moses, they would actually
Speaker 1: snach you out your car. They didn't bust no window
Speaker 1: when that light catch you on success Or Central all
Speaker 1: right there on Compton Avenue. We didn't bust no windows.
Speaker 1: And we didn't rob no black own Messican people. Everybody
Speaker 1: who came was coming from Lynnwood or coming from the
Speaker 1: airport had since identity of who they robbed. Also, they
Speaker 1: didn't rob black people back then on Imperial in the seventies.
Speaker 1: No Ray boys them with robbering white man. He went
Speaker 1: to jail for robbing the white man. You know, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I've seen him do it myself, but he went he
Speaker 1: went to ts behind that in seventy two. We did
Speaker 1: not rob our own people back then. That that case
Speaker 1: that happened with the Hawkins, that wouldn't never happened with
Speaker 1: us in our generation because we don't get into it
Speaker 1: with our community. We got into it what our Adver series,
Speaker 1: which was to call up part of Crypts. We didn't
Speaker 1: rob our community, neighborhoods linked stories because we had love
Speaker 1: for them. They've seen us grow up as elementary people,
Speaker 1: so now that were teenager, we had a little bit
Speaker 1: respect for him. Except the one on the hundred and
Speaker 1: twelfth and Central. That was the one that we really
Speaker 1: was fighting when we was like in high school and
Speaker 1: junior high school fighting guys that was in their thirties
Speaker 1: in late twenties, and you know that came out kind
Speaker 1: of hecky. One of them end up getting shot, you
Speaker 1: know in the homies, you know, they broke somebody's leg
Speaker 1: and they beat up some homies. They pistol with one
Speaker 1: of the homies and all this is in the seventies,
Speaker 1: but nobody never got killed. So that just to show
Speaker 1: you that even people who you don't even like and
Speaker 1: you don't get along with, you still have a choice,
Speaker 1: my brother, of not killing that individual. You still have
Speaker 1: that choice. Now I want to discuss the one based
Speaker 1: on with Joe Barker. Joe Barker is the homeboy who
Speaker 1: reminds me of Sampson. He flexing his muscles right, and
Speaker 1: he's standing next to Babe Bro. Babe Brother is a gunner.
Speaker 1: He has no respect for law. He reminds me of
Speaker 1: what's that guy named, uh, baby face Nelson? Nelson. He
Speaker 1: he do not like you know? He Well. My thing
Speaker 1: with the homies that I have a lot of respectful
Speaker 1: was based on the police. My homeboys back in the
Speaker 1: seventies never killed the crib, never killed the crib. There's
Speaker 1: not on record killing the crill. But they got at
Speaker 1: least four police cases under their belts during time. So
Speaker 1: Babe Bro and Joe Barker they both rest in peace.
Speaker 1: So I can speak on this, you know, uh, dealing
Speaker 1: with the situation that hand killer Joe and Babe Bro.
Speaker 1: Number three, it is dealing with another picture. Our name
Speaker 1: Nickoson Gordon Findess. You have Terry Modens, Ray Boys, Rory Lynch, Cocole,
Speaker 1: Rick Rock and then you have Joe Smith. At the
Speaker 1: bottom you have zero. You have Earl Jones with the
Speaker 1: Charlie had Charlie had used to Buddy used to be
Speaker 1: the Bounty Hunters original hat back in n seventy two,
Speaker 1: before the before we start wearing ace deuces. Then you
Speaker 1: have J. T. He rested in peace. Then you have
Speaker 1: uh Ricky Green, who A C. Wrote in his book
Speaker 1: he was also a bandar rule uh back in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four with A C and N Y T s.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to bondar rouges again. And they
Speaker 1: came home in nineteen seventy six. You got uh Me
Speaker 1: holding the radio, hard Rock pointing up to the sky,
Speaker 1: Terry Mooks just wearing the red tennis shoes. Uh, you
Speaker 1: have Neil Matthew wearing the leather coat and co Co
Speaker 1: point to this guy. And hard Rock wearing also a
Speaker 1: red bandanna. And what I can actually say about these
Speaker 1: brothers right here, they brought Bondarou home. They truly brought
Speaker 1: the word bondar route to the house. And I was
Speaker 1: there with them in nineteen seventy six. So I don't
Speaker 1: know about what t Rogers talking about. Uh everybody was
Speaker 1: saying because and anybody was saying blood. We never said
Speaker 1: because I never even heard no pot roussa. Cause we
Speaker 1: all started saying blood to each other and wearing red
Speaker 1: bandannas together. I'm saying because I know for a fact
Speaker 1: that nobody held the rip and down the butt pot rule,
Speaker 1: and LB and little Vins made sure, not a cee,
Speaker 1: but LB a little Vince made sure that that red
Speaker 1: band downer that made Parou what it is today became
Speaker 1: a blood nation. And that's the true fact. I have
Speaker 1: another one I want to talk about. I have the
Speaker 1: road Call of my Homeboys nineteen seventy three Body Hunters.
Speaker 1: Do you have Junior Thomas left the right, you have
Speaker 1: Cherry or Taker, and then you have Sugarloo from Paroux
Speaker 1: throwing up the Parous side. Did you have Michael Duroux
Speaker 1: wearing a beige knit shirt throwing up the Bondi Hunter sign?
Speaker 1: Did you have Terry Moses throwing up the sign? You
Speaker 1: have David Taplet, and you have uh a sip or Taker,
Speaker 1: and you have uh. I forgot the other guy at
Speaker 1: the very end, but that's Terry Moses little son standing
Speaker 1: right next to David Tablet. That's in white ts, not
Speaker 1: white ts. That's a nullus. That's anothers in Y nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three, the original Bondi Hunters right there. Okay, uh
Speaker 1: then we have another picture that I want to elaborate on.
Speaker 1: You're dealing with Junior Thomas standing to your left and
Speaker 1: Hard Rocks standing to your right. Junior Thomas is the
Speaker 1: leader of the bonding Hunters with a red flag on. Now,
Speaker 1: I challenge anybody that is a brown or from any
Speaker 1: other set to show me a picture of the O
Speaker 1: G Homeboys back in the seventies with a red flag.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about guys that would be like sixty seven
Speaker 1: and sixty six. Today Hard Rock is flamed up and
Speaker 1: he rested in peace. He would be today. We're dealing
Speaker 1: with originals. They're standing right in the middle of the
Speaker 1: heart of Nickoson Garden. You have Hanking Black standing by
Speaker 1: the radio, and you have Squeak in the right tennis
Speaker 1: shoes wearing black and that this is in the seventies
Speaker 1: of the original Bonar rouge. Uh. Then you have another
Speaker 1: picture of the Homeboys standing together in the projects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Ford wearing a beige beantie crap cop. You have
Speaker 1: Terry Modens wearing the leather coat. You have Gary Barker
Speaker 1: a light blue, light blue shirt. You have somebody in
Speaker 1: the background throwing up a body Hunter sign. Yeah, Ricky
Speaker 1: Bryant in the bottom left corner that Silkie blood and
Speaker 1: these are the original body hunters hanging out together in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. And I just want to
Speaker 1: elaborate on one more thing, and that would be with Mr.
Speaker 1: T Michael Smith Rest in peace. Uh. I have his
Speaker 1: obituary right before me right now, and he passed away
Speaker 1: in November, uh eighte. This guy right here, what I
Speaker 1: like about him, He was the type of guy that
Speaker 1: he truly believed in fist fighting. This is the only
Speaker 1: homeboy that I know from Nikison Garden that took it
Speaker 1: to the jordan Dale Cribs with his fists by himself.
Speaker 1: Him and Eddie Brown from the Jordan Down cribs. They
Speaker 1: had a fist to cuff fight and they were fighting
Speaker 1: like cats and dog in the great and in the
Speaker 1: Jordan Doren, the neighborhood on Grandy behind the tracks, and
Speaker 1: we had squabbles with them guys because at one time
Speaker 1: we was green jackets, so we really never had, you know,
Speaker 1: the killing field with each other. We always did respect
Speaker 1: each other and gave each other fair faces. And I
Speaker 1: would say Michael Smill was the one that actually took
Speaker 1: it to him and start fighting them instead of us
Speaker 1: taking potshots at each other, and they tried to jump
Speaker 1: on him, uh, and I jumped in and UH gave
Speaker 1: somebody what they call a dope feed punch, and they
Speaker 1: all turned and looked at me like they would get
Speaker 1: ready to jump on me. And my boy from from
Speaker 1: the Jordan Downs, my partner said a McGill. He stopped
Speaker 1: them and told them they're not gonna do nothing to
Speaker 1: me because he knew me from Junia Hall. And I
Speaker 1: don't think I knew him from Junia Hall, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna disagree that that. Know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: think you're ready to jump on me. So Michael Smills
Speaker 1: is the brother who took it like a vanguard to
Speaker 1: the crips with his fists. He wanted to fight him
Speaker 1: and not shoot him, and that was his choice, and
Speaker 1: I was rushed right there with he. Now my choice
Speaker 1: would have been the same thing, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that you go up to an individual talking
Speaker 1: about fighting and they want to kill you while you
Speaker 1: talking about fighting. So I had that mentality, but he
Speaker 1: never thought like that, So I wonder, uh was he
Speaker 1: actually slipping or was he doing the right thing. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's his choice again and I want
Speaker 1: to leave with this last picture. Oh yeah, this is
Speaker 1: Michael Smith, trouble Man, that's his name. We called him
Speaker 1: trouble Man, Mr T. This is his daughter also, he's
Speaker 1: studying on a bench with his daughter is standing on
Speaker 1: the bench. And he also had a picture of him
Speaker 1: with his hands open. He's uh in y t s
Speaker 1: at the time for a murder. He was there back
Speaker 1: in like seventy nine and t s. He said, he
Speaker 1: he's smiling on this picture. And uh not last, but
Speaker 1: least uh two pretty kitty from uh cornerpucket cript I
Speaker 1: got him at one picture. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This is my boy man, two pretty kitty from corner pocket,
Speaker 1: my house man, and he brought my kids some lunching everything,
Speaker 1: and we chopped it up with each other. Him and
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. We're taking a picture right in front of
Speaker 1: my like a navigator. And that's my real partner right there.
Speaker 1: It's one thing I can say about him, man, that
Speaker 1: I like about him. Man. You know, he has a
Speaker 1: sense of humor that makes me love him man, because
Speaker 1: I don't see no fakens in him when it comes
Speaker 1: to humor, you know. Uh, he here makes you laugh,
Speaker 1: My brother and he and he's real about this laughter,
Speaker 1: you know. And I have a lot of respects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's from corner He's from corner Pocket. He's original corner pocket.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, he's the one that started and his
Speaker 1: mama garage. You know what I'm saying. But hey, I
Speaker 1: got love for Crips to I got love from Melle Mel.
Speaker 1: He's a good brother. He speaks with he speaks with knowledge,
Speaker 1: He speaks with he speaks with understanding. I have love
Speaker 1: for Cutes also, he speaks with knowledge and understand it.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, though Cutes and Pooky, Raymond
Speaker 1: Washington did use a gun. You need to buy the
Speaker 1: book I Am Raymond Washington and it speaks on that
Speaker 1: because they use guns all in the books. Ain't nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with using the gun though, I mean, the gun
Speaker 1: is an easy way to like fucking sweating. No no
Speaker 1: hard man popua mother going about you. But be done
Speaker 1: with it. But don't compare ray boys who never used
Speaker 1: the gun with a person who used the gun. Well,
Speaker 1: you can't compare that. Yeah, again, he was a spobbler.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a gun user, so you don't compare. I'm
Speaker 1: letting them know. Jimmy Leavindor and Cammac made a statement
Speaker 1: about that, and I'm just letting them know. Raymond use
Speaker 1: the guns and ray boys didn't use guns, and it's
Speaker 1: in the books. Well, I mean to say, I'm rocking
Speaker 1: and rolling with you, Raymond. If you need to pistol,
Speaker 1: and it's an easy way, I can get five for one. Well,
Speaker 1: I used the gun myself, my brother. I didn't come
Speaker 1: body on the front for nothing. But my whole point
Speaker 1: is is, don't never get on the stage saying that
Speaker 1: Bonny Hunter Frog never we used the gun when you
Speaker 1: know I was a gunn don't get on stage just
Speaker 1: say that, uh Hunter Frog had respect for the females
Speaker 1: of the hood, when you know I was going around
Speaker 1: calling everybody to B word. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: which is the B I, T. C. H. Basically have
Speaker 1: some real facts, but we're exactly the factor part is
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. There's nothing wrong we're using the gun.
Speaker 1: But my point is, you know I understand this, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave you with this. My brother none, I
Speaker 1: gotta Goigart Okay, so it's just just a break. Are
Speaker 1: we coming over? We're gonna do a part two. We
Speaker 1: gotta do a part right now, you get through, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to just say this. I don't want
Speaker 1: let you go, my brother. What I'm saying, and I
Speaker 1: want and I want, I want to let you go
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, um and where is that? Where is
Speaker 1: that subject at? Where is that I'm going to I'm
Speaker 1: looking for the subject. I go, hey, see, Bubba Louis.
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know, Salie Percy know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. As Ricky Bryant would say, silkie blood
Speaker 1: if they ever would have got into it, Charlie Percy
Speaker 1: didn't have no edge over Ray Boys. Ray Boys was
Speaker 1: athlete a matter of fact, men, a bit of dog
Speaker 1: a k a silkie blood Ricky Bryant. We come to
Speaker 1: the conclusion that Charlie Percy wouldn't probably even never hit
Speaker 1: Ray Boys because he was too athletic for Charlie Percy.
Speaker 1: But but but you know, that's just our opinion. Though
Speaker 1: we all have our opinions. So everybody is the title
Speaker 1: to their own opinion on that I was saying about
Speaker 1: ray Is this my brother. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It is what it is. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: My brother. He was a type of guy that that
Speaker 1: did not use no guns and he did not believe
Speaker 1: in using guns and he never used the gun. I
Speaker 1: understand that we do comparis. We have a Tennessee of
Speaker 1: comparing Kobe to Michael Jordan's. We have a Tennessee comparing
Speaker 1: Mark Rocky Marciano to to Ali. We have a tendency
Speaker 1: of comparing Uh Biggie Small to Tupae. Know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But in our hearts, our hearts, all them people that
Speaker 1: child comparing them too. Y'all know who number one is.
Speaker 1: Y'all know who number one is. So we don't even
Speaker 1: have to eleporate on nothing else dealing with this situation too.
Speaker 1: Pretty Kinney and mac Thomas told the truth what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So if you want to know about ray boys, read
Speaker 1: two Pretty Kinney book. When mac Thomas said that if
Speaker 1: him and Raymond Washington would have got into it, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it would have been ray all the way.
Speaker 1: And I also want to say this, I challenge anybody
Speaker 1: hancho head, honcho, uh afro pigmy uh Tyrone Tate Uh.
Speaker 1: Anybody who really know ray boys and who really know
Speaker 1: Raymond Washington? I challenged them, tell what do they think
Speaker 1: about Raymond and ray Uh? In comparison dealing with slinging
Speaker 1: them dogs? Who do you think you know hypothetically had
Speaker 1: the best hands. I'm talking about the old Richard old
Speaker 1: triple o gs who know both of them? Anybody who
Speaker 1: don't know both of them, you can't compare them. You
Speaker 1: have to know both of them, Sally to compare them.
Speaker 1: That's on the way you can make a compariship is
Speaker 1: by knowing both people. And I want to leave it
Speaker 1: like that, and there it is right there, O g Frog.
Speaker 1: Part two comings soon. Well. That concludes another episode of
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