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Speaker 1: We represent that Kelly County. So if you're keeping it

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Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles Gangster Goals. He gonna tell you how we

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Speaker 1: truth Gangster Chronic Goals. This is not your average show.

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Speaker 1: You're now tuned into the Reil M c A. Bick,

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Speaker 1: James and Big Stails the streets. Hello, we like to

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Speaker 1: welcome everyone to another edition of the Gangster Chronicles podcast

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Speaker 1: Number my homeboy, Big Jake and Big I'll let you

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Speaker 1: allow you to do the introductions today. Ain't too many

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Speaker 1: words to say about this brother right here. You know,

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Speaker 1: you old school. He's he's been around along time and

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Speaker 1: then did time in prison. And I just want to

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Speaker 1: say his name and bringing in and show us what

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Speaker 1: he's working with. Green is my brother's assistants. I go

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Speaker 1: by the handle of my African name is Hannibal cam Boon,

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Speaker 1: which means uh. Hannibal itself means grace to the people. No,

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Speaker 1: This this this episode right here is called the truth

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Speaker 1: We're dealing with things of that can become uh what

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Speaker 1: You know, I believe in this. We all need to

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Speaker 1: I was shot in nineteen eighty right here in my chest,

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Speaker 1: game banger that's that exists today that are used to

427
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: game bank, we all accepted our titles are roads in

428
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: the hood or what we are, what we're gonna be.

429
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: And I think at one point, and I can speak

430
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: for myself, you might walk out the door and might

431
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: not come back through this door today. You know, you

432
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: accepted death by doing what we're doing, you know what

433
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because you might it might be your day

434
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: you get caught up. So I mean, I think it's

435
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: rougher than that. Uh, we didn't look at the black panthers.

436
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: We didn't cat what the dope was doing to the

437
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: to the to our neighborhoods. We didn't look at uh

438
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: that cat that's next to us. We didn't. We didn't.

439
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: We didn't give it. We didn't give a funk. And

440
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: that's where our life was at. So my whole thing

441
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: is trying to educate these young cats that we have

442
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: out here today that don't notice history, that don't don't

443
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: notice nobody in these pictures, like myself. You know what

444
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Brothers that stood in the middle of the

445
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: street by itself and called everybody out come on this road.

446
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: And the mentality when I read that part in the

447
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 1: book where he had to monocot the cocktails, posted up

448
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: hide and waited till everybody walked up, and then when

449
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: the situation happened, they threw the cocktails. That strategical ship.

450
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: To me, I'm into that type of ship. I love

451
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: that type of ship. In my days, I didn't just

452
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: go off and just feel like just Bam, I planned

453
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: my ship. But what least you're confesses and That's what

454
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: I like. I like brother who can just confess, even

455
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: even if it's even if it's wrong. The confession is

456
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: good for the soul because that means you you you,

457
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: you're not in denial. It just brings me back to

458
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, this is what we used to be, like

459
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: just like O G. Frog, just like Uh China Dog

460
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: and all all the guys. You know, these cats is

461
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: coming home from thirty one years. They're not looking at

462
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: who they used to be before they went. Because I

463
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: believe everybody that went to prison and did forty for

464
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: for the hood or kill somebody for the hood or

465
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: day they h the opposite side and then get out,

466
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: you don't see that. You don't when you come home

467
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: and something totally different. Everything was there is gone. So

468
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: now they're looking at this ship like, man, this ship

469
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: was for nothing. I didn't. I gave a already fucking

470
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: years for nothing. I believe my brother not to cut

471
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: you off. I believe that there's a word or saying

472
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: that they used to say back in the sixties, and

473
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: I think that it's still true right today. And I

474
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: don't know if they used to in word when they

475
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: said this, but I used to hear this and I

476
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: truly believe this, and I'm gonna use it in a

477
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: respectful way. I think Black people it's afraid of revolution.

478
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 1: That's why we kill each other. I think we're afraid

479
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: to go against the system. The system is still our master,

480
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: so we don't kill master just saying, well, another slave,

481
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 1: we would kill him because why he's worthless, you know.

482
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: And now we have the Tennessee. We have the Tennessee

483
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: of saying, not everybody, but some individuals have a tendency

484
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: of coming with the thought. Are the romantic version of

485
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: that Crypts and Bloods at one time was revolutionary. They

486
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: were fighting the police. That's nowhere in history where the

487
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: beginning of the Crypts and Bloods came out fighting against

488
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: the police or calling their self revolutionaries for the community.

489
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: My thing is this, my brother, You know what I'm saying.

490
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: It's good to have that train of thought. Once you

491
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: learn about yourself in prison or somebody teach you that

492
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: in Islam that is about self love and love for

493
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: your brother. That's a good thing to do. Brother. But

494
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: for us, the beginning of this, brother, we was all teenagers. Man.

495
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: We wasn't thinking like uh, George Jackson. We wasn't thinking

496
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: like uh Huey Newton. We didn't have that mentality. A

497
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: matter of fact, the go deeper a c Bubba Louis,

498
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: King Bubba Louis, he said himself that the Crypts with

499
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: Raymond Washington did not have no principles and morals of

500
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: defending the community. They wasn't even about that. King Bubba

501
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: Louis himself says that they was about taking leather coats

502
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: and beating people down. And now I just wanted to

503
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: just read this very quick to you to see what

504
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: King Bubba Louis had to say about Raymond Washington being

505
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: armed with a firearm compared to Gray boys who never

506
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: used the firearm. I just wanted to see what King

507
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: Bubba Louis has to say in his book, which is

508
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: called The Starting Lineup. I'm quite sure it's a blockbuster

509
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: seller now, so we all know where where I'm probably

510
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: going with this, and where I'm going with this is

511
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: this putting that putting on Parous Street had a big

512
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: brother named Sakai. They got into an incident with the

513
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: original crips at Gonzalez Park because they was in Parouh

514
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: hood at that time. So what had happened was the

515
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: pararouse heard about it and they went up there knowing

516
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: that there was outnumbered. But what they did they rushed

517
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: the guy that was on the outskirts of the crowd,

518
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 1: maybe by father. Six guys got beat down by some

519
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: powerus on the outskirts and Raymond and the crowd heard

520
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: about it. So what did Raymond do he with the

521
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: Pararous Street, with all the crips to go deal with

522
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: these pious who just did a sneak attack against them

523
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: and Paru Hood at Causal's Park. And I just want

524
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: to read this real briefly, and I just want to

525
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: elaborate on this and see what the brothers have to

526
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: say about the the gunplay as we would call it

527
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: of Raymond Washington. And this is from King Bubba Louis.

528
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: This is not from me. I'm getting this from somebody

529
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: who was right there day one. And this is what

530
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: the word of a c King Bubba Louis said. Once

531
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: back to Parous Street, we waited for a possible counter

532
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: crip attack on Parous Street itself. We waited with Marti

533
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: cocktails in hand on both sides of the street, hiding

534
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: our weight. Wasn't long within an hour or so, the

535
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: crypts mask onto Central Avenue, interest to Parou and such

536
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: numbers that as they proceed down Parus Street, we could

537
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: not see past them. Once again, it had to be

538
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: a hundred or more. As they approached where we were

539
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: in hiding, they were not aware or where we were hiding.

540
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Saki came out of hiding this putting brother Sakai with

541
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: an African spear in his hand and stood in the

542
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: middle of the street and announced, this is sack I

543
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: X Avenue and now Paru me and Raymond Washington can

544
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: settle this issue head up. One of the crypts said

545
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: to Raymond, he's calling you out. So instead of Raymond

546
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: meeting this challenge head up, he ran up the middle

547
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: of the crypts towards Saka, shooting a gun. When Raymond

548
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: starts shooting, we who were in hiding, launched our Marti cocktails,

549
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: causing the crypts to retreat. Sakai somehow was able to

550
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: proceed them Parou Street, resulting in all the crypts fleeting

551
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Parou Street. Now this is King Bubba louis a c

552
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: This is his book. This is not my book. This

553
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: is his story, This is not my story. Do I

554
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: believe it. Yes, I believe it. And the reason why

555
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: I believe it because a C love Raymond. Raymond is

556
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: not a C enemy. He still loves Raymond. He'll let

557
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: you know he still loves Raymond. And board Dog. He

558
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: had no reason to sit here and fabricate on Raymond Washington.

559
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: But the truth is that Raymond was a gunner and

560
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: he shot up Parou Street. Now you can call a

561
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: C a lie, but he know Raymond before anybody just

562
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: about who was there, because he was there from the beginning.

563
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: So the only one that can call him a life

564
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: probably is board Dog and get away with it because

565
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: he was chain of command number two. Do anybody want

566
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: to elaborate on that subject? Another case right there, one

567
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: brother willing to go head up another brother with a gun. Okay,

568
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: So that was kind of like the thing, like, that's

569
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: what I want to know. When did the pistol play

570
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: really start up? Like the pistol play, my brother? That's

571
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: kind of heavy, man, that's real heavy when you say

572
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: the pistol play, because that right there, it is just

573
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: about the beginning. That's before the brim even got murdered,

574
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: when country was even dead. Yet this is the beginning

575
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: at cooking up right here. This Molotov cocktails. You know

576
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: that sounds like the military. I know, I know. Before

577
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: seventy one they was using the zip guns and then

578
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: they introduced that and the dirty Age special that was

579
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: in the sixties. Uncle Willie used to carry zip gun

580
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: in the sixties. Uncle t thirty eight in the late sixties.

581
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: So they always had guns because back then, robbery was

582
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: a motherfucker at that time. That's how brothers was getting

583
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: their money. And you had the like with with with

584
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: and and oh my god, just what you read right there.

585
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: It's what I've been talking about the whole time. Whether

586
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: what is it gonna show us to say that where

587
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: we at today is wrong opposed to where they were

588
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: at and their time was right. They was doing it

589
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: totally different. It's pretty much the same ship. But then

590
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: it just more, it just advanced more, and and when

591
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: it got to me, it was full fledged. So we

592
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: can't stop it now, We can't stop it now? How

593
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: do we how do we take the history of what

594
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: your brothers broun to the table and turn it around

595
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: and and and shove this bullshit down the stoat? Well,

596
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: I would say that and defense of Raym because I'm

597
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the true brother to know the only

598
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: solution I know. I only know one solution. Matter of fact,

599
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: I know to solutions. My number one solution is I

600
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: believe only God can change everything. Everything. When I tall everything,

601
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean everything for the better. I don't think a

602
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: man can do it. I don't think so. I don't

603
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: think a man can do it. I think only God

604
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: can do it. I've been on this earth for sixty

605
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: three years. I think only God can do it. So

606
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: you don't think if if these youngsters here your story

607
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: came by theolution story, a China dog story, LB story,

608
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: accept the Anne story, all of these old g s

609
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: coming out and telling the truth about what the funk

610
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: it is? Part handed my brother. I handed you was

611
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: once hard handy who can tell you anything. I'm kind

612
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: of nobody in their position. Put yourself in their position

613
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: to think how you were, and that that's all you

614
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: have to do. And that's why I'm saying what I'm saying.

615
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: I've thought about that many times. That's why I can't

616
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: get on this on this platform and say these stupid

617
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: little motherfucker's I was a stupid, little motherfucking I can't

618
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: be contradicting. I can't be a hypocrite about this ship.

619
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: I always want them, Okay, So take from what I

620
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: know and how I'm thinking now and apply to a

621
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen year old, Because if you're thirty five and

622
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: forty five and fifties still out there gangbanging, ain't no

623
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: saving you. This is what you want to do. Some

624
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: of us are trapped. So how do we get out

625
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: of that, out of the mr being trapped and and

626
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: listen and understanding what we see here? Well, I have

627
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: to think one thing because my conscious is really getting

628
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: the best of me on this, and not to push

629
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: whatever you're saying to the side, but to try to add,

630
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: to understand it, onto this, onto this subject. And I

631
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: would say this, we have to look at the Raymond

632
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: side of the point of view. Also, he's only human.

633
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: If a man is in the middle street with a

634
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: spear calling you out in front of your homeboys, I'm

635
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: saying into your homeboys, whisper in your ear, what are

636
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: you gonna do? And you're supposed to be the shot

637
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: caller and they're looking at you, they're saying, and he

638
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: got a spear in his hand. You know you need

639
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: to do two things. Put down a spear and let's

640
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: get down, or you could do another thing. You can

641
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: get an equalizer. You're saying something that maybe over an equalizer,

642
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. I look at it as a blessing

643
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: that he didn't kill the brother, you know, so maybe

644
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have picked up the spear anyway. But the

645
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: only point that I'm making exist they have some people brother,

646
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: that walked this earth. No matter what you do, how

647
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: you want to fight, they're gonna take the lower role

648
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: in the lord road, the lord row. See. The higher

649
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: road to me in my mind, is is a person

650
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: who thinks that they are superior over somebody. The crypts. Yes,

651
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: they they superior over all the games that was existing

652
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: against him, you know. And I hate to say this,

653
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: but man, they was dangerous man. There was some dangerous

654
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: brother man, and Raymond had to push that line to

655
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: show his power. Still, you know, he ruled with an

656
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: iron fish, my brother, so maybe that pistol that was

657
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: made out of iron. Maybe he wanted to rule with

658
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: an iron pistol. So you know, either or iron fish,

659
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: iron pistol, he made his choice. And that's the bottom

660
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: line into this game thing it's your choice. It's your

661
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: choice if you want to fight a brother, and it's

662
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: your choice if you want to kill a brother. So

663
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what choice to make because that's

664
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: your choice. Hold that thought. We're coming right back. I'm

665
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: gonna go back to this question because I know we're

666
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: being like, Um, you know you're coming home because you

667
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: did some time. When did you come on? Brother? I

668
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: came home man two thousand and eight after doing sixteen

669
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: years from Rodney Keen Riot. So I did that sixteen

670
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: that gave me thirty and I did half of it

671
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: and gave my heart to the Lord and I made

672
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: it out in halftime. Okay, So let me ask you this, brother.

673
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: So we got a situation of where you come home.

674
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: You're going in during the riots and you come out.

675
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: Technology is just way more advanced now at this point,

676
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: and you're looking online. Um, I don't know if it

677
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: was that point where people start really putting this type

678
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: of content out online, but you're looking at everything, right,

679
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: have you ever seen anything that what perturbs you the

680
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: most about the lives? Like, is there any particular person

681
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: or any anyone in particular You're just kind of going

682
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: at all of them. Are you speaking at for it

683
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: changed me changing my lifestyle. No, I'm talking about as

684
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: far as the brothers out here. That's kind of like, um,

685
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, talking about gang history, but they out there

686
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: kind of perverting effects. Well, I would say this about

687
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: this man. You know, I believe that you know, huh.

688
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: I hate to go religious on you, but I believe

689
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: in the word of God so much to the point

690
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: that stone reason why I believe I truly really stopped

691
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, uh, soltlude people and shooting people and even

692
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: fighting people, because I believe that what really makes you

693
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: a man is forgiveness. What really makes you a man

694
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: is turning the other cheek because you know what, my brother,

695
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: is easy to catch your murder out here. And then

696
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: when you get stuck up in there. You know what

697
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the first thing you're gonna say to yourself again,

698
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: I should have followed my first mind, you know. And

699
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: I think that love over ruge. Hey. I believe that

700
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: love overpower everything on this earth. And that's the hardest

701
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: thing for a person to do is show love to

702
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: an enemy. That's the hardest thing to show love to

703
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: someone who killed somebody that was your friend. Who killed

704
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: somebody that was your relative. Do you remember colors by

705
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: Iced Tea. He said, it wasn't your brother who brutally died,

706
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: but it was mine. So let me define my rhetory.

707
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Don't cross the line. Don't try to act crazy because

708
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: the U won't fade me. You're run like a punk. Yeah,

709
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: that's what Ice t saying. I believe that it wasn't

710
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: your brother who poorly died. So sometimes you have to

711
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: understand that when people have cagedies on both sides. It's

712
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: like the hill buildings, It's like the Federal and and

713
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: the Klansmen during the time of war when they were

714
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: the Confederate You know what I'm saying. Of course, the

715
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: sleeve got the slaves was free by during the war,

716
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: uh with the clueklu klans as the Confederate army. But

717
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: you have to understand one thing. They did not forgive

718
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: the black people, but they forgave the white people and

719
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: became the part of the United States government. But they

720
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: still had that hatred for the slave because it's the

721
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: superiority trip. Who are you to live on the level

722
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: that I lived when my granddaddy had you in the

723
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: cotton fields and we have that same mentality. Who are you?

724
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what a little gag the

725
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: size of maybe ten people when I got a thousand people,

726
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 1: You're nothing to me. You're a buzzard, You're nothing. But

727
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: then again you have to understand, then, this is what

728
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I believe in. It's not the amount of people that exists,

729
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: it's the heart of the people that exists in that number.

730
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: So you can have a thousand cowards, what that have

731
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: to do with Dillingwood a hundred warriors. They're gonna lose

732
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: because guess what, They're going to retreat and they're gonna

733
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: keep on retreating because for the simple fact unestimation. Unestimation

734
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: is what got a lot of crypts and blood killed

735
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: today by thinking, Oh, I can go over here and

736
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: mess with this female on Hoover Street, or I can

737
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: go over here and mess with this female on Grandy

738
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, But have you ever thought

739
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: about that the female that you are messing with on

740
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: Hoover Street a Grandy Street, or set you up to

741
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: get you killed. And that happened many times because you

742
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: unestimate not only the crypts, but also oh undercovered crippolette

743
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: that sets you up. Well, that's to making the female

744
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: with that, and that's what happens that that's that's real

745
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: because every every all my baby mama's from the crips

746
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: from Hoover, uh i e south Side, all of my

747
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: baby mamas crips. And and trust me, my first seld

748
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: mama lived on a hunting in the eighteen so I

749
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: used to catch the bus straight up Rosecrans to San

750
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: Pedro and mob down San Pedro to her house just

751
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: over there, just kicking it like it's the thing with

752
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: with with Chuck Taylor's on in my red shoe strings

753
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: and my little pistol and just mob and because we

754
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: didn't care back then. But they never fucked with me.

755
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: You was blast, you had you had to hand a

756
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: guy on you that that that's more that didn't make it.

757
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: That did made it. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

758
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: Then we didn't give a fucking we if that was

759
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: the game, that was the game, you know what I'm saying.

760
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: And then you know, we didn't pay attention to how

761
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: many people we heard by just hurting one person, how

762
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: many people we heard it just doing that one person

763
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: vice versa. We don't think about that the impact that

764
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: that that we had out there in the streets, you

765
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And that's where we need to

766
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: get to. And these brothers right here, I mean, we've

767
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: been doing this ship for a long time, for a

768
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: long time, and it was it was brothers like yourself

769
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: that I watched, watching China Dog them up under the headquarters,

770
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: Stanley pitched, and watching all of these brothers, how they

771
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: got down, how they moved, how those cats uh would

772
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: would be fighting in the park and nobody give up. Man,

773
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: I gotta be like that, how China Dog could wave

774
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: his hands and all them eskin is what's up, homies?

775
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: What's up? Big homie? He had it sold up like

776
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, fuck, you know, just just certain things

777
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: about certain homies. I drew to that. I gravitated to that,

778
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: and I took a little something from China Dog. I

779
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: took a little something from Stanley Pitch. I took a

780
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: little something from both Jangles. I took a little something

781
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: from all of those guys and just wrote it all

782
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 1: up in one. That's how I'm rolling. So I can't

783
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: be denied of who I'm gonna be I can't be denied,

784
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: and I worked my ass off to be that motherfucker,

785
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But now the regret, the

786
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: regret it, and then we have I mean, this is

787
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: history right here, like some real cats, like in some

788
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: real life ship, but it's ten times worser now. And

789
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: then you got people lying on these cats that really,

790
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: like you, went to prison and fought those wars, and

791
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: then they come home and say they fought the war,

792
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: but they've never been a motherfucking prison. Well, you know what,

793
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: my brother, I'm gonna tell you something. Man. You know,

794
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: we all have our individuals who we look up to,

795
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, and those who who I even look up

796
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: to myself. And Ray Boys and t V Clark. T

797
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: V Clark rest in peace. He just passed away. And

798
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: he's a historic co brother, just like Ray Boys. And

799
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: I have a picture of both of them. T V

800
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: is the one with the black hat on wearing all

801
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: black and Ray Boys have a beige hat with a

802
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: black black band on it, wearing a blue shirt, and

803
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: he's smiling real real wide. These two brothers right here,

804
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: my brother, I know without a doubt, and can't nobody

805
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: tell me, but God, they didn't pick up no guns, brother,

806
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: back in the sixties and the seventies. Know what I'm saying,

807
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Like I said before, these are our guns right here,

808
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: my brother and I got that from them learning that

809
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: same thing with Craig Munster said sometimes, brother, you know,

810
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: you have to understand that what makes you more of

811
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: a man to me, as I had to mature and

812
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: the evolve into this mentality, what makes you more of

813
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: a man is when you can know how to protect

814
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: yourself from the shoulders. Because I want to tell you

815
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: something about that, my brother. What I'm saying, a coward

816
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: can shoot a gun, my brother, a coward can shoot

817
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: a gun. And majority of us and I would I'm

818
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this lightly, majority of us as gang

819
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: members a k a. Gangsters that want to be on

820
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: the scene as a gaigster. The ones who like to

821
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: shoot up everything and don't fight, you know what I'm saying,

822
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Those are the ones, brother, that need to be disciplined

823
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: to me to learn how to fight. You know, See,

824
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: do we we don't have no organization. We just do

825
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: things round the league. And so therefore by people doing

826
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: things round them league, they're not trained. They just do

827
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: as as they please. You know, like uh T Rogers

828
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: said himself, the Black Stones had principles, they had you know,

829
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: they trained each other, they knew, they had knowledge, and

830
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: they was an organization. We were not an organization. The

831
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Cryptim Bloods. We didn't start organizing until we went to

832
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: prison in Saint Quentin. And then folks him and Tracy

833
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: just like they had to organize, and Dwight Ts Ray

834
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: Boys and Baba Louis and Little Vins and and l B.

835
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: They was all organizing. The Bondar Rugs. They took the

836
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: red bandanna which meant py u, and took the bonny

837
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: hunter sign which meant blood, and came together as Bondar rugs.

838
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: And that's organizing right there, to come together against the opposition. Now,

839
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: the same opposition we came against. We're black people who

840
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 1: we felt that was terrorizing the community. But what about

841
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: the police? Don't they terrorize the community. Why we so

842
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: so quick to take off on each other. But when

843
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: it comes to that guy, huh and that and that

844
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: black and white police are you're saying, when when when

845
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: when he comes on the block, first thing we want

846
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: to do is either run, drop our guns are surrender

847
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: and everything but if somebody come down, get ready to

848
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: it drive by, you're gonna spray that whole car up. Right,

849
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: self hate, my brother self hate what I'm saying, And

850
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: that's what I do. Just like about gang members who

851
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: do not have heard enough to stand up against the system,

852
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: like they stand up against their own people oftentimes. Um,

853
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: what I do see a lot of time, man, there's

854
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: a lot of self hatred just amongst black people period,

855
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: not just the gang bangers. Right because you look, um,

856
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: you will see brothers start to elevate and climb, you know,

857
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: and they climb it's like you're climbing the fence. And James, Um,

858
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: the way James described at one time was perfect because

859
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: he said, it's like you're crawling over a fence and

860
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: you got a million motherfucker's grab next your ankles to

861
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: pull you back down. Right. Um. I think it's a

862
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: lot of that. Um. We see things that have in

863
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: the community, we have bypassed that, but yet we go

864
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: slap the ship out of this brother over here that's

865
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: not bothering nobody. And I think a lot of that stuff, man,

866
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: was programmed in us. I believe the Willie Lynch letter,

867
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: all that stuff is very real man. I think a

868
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: lot of stuff is just strategy strategically in place now

869
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: to destroy the black community. I really believe that if

870
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: you look at it, if you look at some of

871
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: the stuff that's going on, even with the way gang

872
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: banging is set up in itself, you know what I mean.

873
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: It's like you look at the Nixon Gardens, right, you

874
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: have a place of property, right, it's property all through

875
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: they don't. Nobody got nothing. So the one person that

876
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: does get something, whether that's legal or legal, whether that

877
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: it could be a brother just going down to the

878
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: docks and getting the job on the docks. You know

879
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, you have a million motherfucker's mad at

880
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: him because he went and got that. How dare he

881
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: tried to progress? And now he's talking about now his

882
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: kids going to school, saying, yeah, we're about to move

883
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: out of here, the other little kids here, that stuff like,

884
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: how dare they leave the six waste that they in?

885
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Brok? But I believe

886
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: that misery love company my brother, you know, and even

887
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: sends it in the body with my brother. When people

888
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: go to hell and they go to the Lake of Fire,

889
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna be cussing each other out in the name

890
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: of Satan because they're gonna be so tormented to where

891
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: your pain is gonna be hurting you so much, to

892
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: where you'll be taking it out on your neighbors in hell.

893
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: You know. So I understand what that dialogue means right there,

894
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: my brother. That means that people don't like suffering by theirselfs.

895
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: And when you come from a property area like that.

896
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: And if I remind me of a song when I

897
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: was a little boy back in the days, the Temptations

898
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: sing a song, don't let the jones get you down.

899
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, if you see something you won't and

900
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: you know you can't afford it, you know what what I'm saying,

901
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: the best thing you to do is go work for it.

902
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: Don't be jealous of your neighbor because they got a

903
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: new Cadillac. Go buy you a CADILLAK keep saying, save

904
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: up your money and get you something you know, uh.

905
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: And if you can't do that, you're saying, find something

906
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: uh constructive to do where you don't have to be

907
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: focusing on materialistic things exactly. And you know, speaking on that,

908
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: I gotta give a shout out to my boy Anthony

909
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: Tiffic dude Dog from the Nixon Guardens, you know, startup

910
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: top Dog Entertainment. He's one of the first entertainers I've

911
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: seen actually do everything right that comes from the gang life.

912
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: You don't see him out there, you know, he ain't

913
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: went and dropped, did no negative stuff. Hedn't win and

914
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: got twenty thirty armies from the Nickersons and just take

915
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: out there and let him terrorize people. That ain't what

916
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: he did. He brings a concert there every year. He

917
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: employs people, you know what I mean. He he brings

918
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: some positive that he gives. He gives back to the

919
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: community in a positive manner. He's not one person. He

920
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: can't help everybody. But I do see him do some

921
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: amazing stuff over there. And you've got some people that

922
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: leave and just never come back. Why do you think

923
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: that is? Man, that's kind of heavy. My brother leave

924
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: and never come back. What do they leave to my brother?

925
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: You know, just catch that, you know, theoretically, escape and

926
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: make it out of there like they may make. They

927
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: may it made him, you know, to escape out of there.

928
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: It may be you are simply is moving to the

929
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: ind of the empire. You may have got a good

930
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: job and just left went to them. Ain't never going

931
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: back around here no more. Brother, you're talking about me.

932
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm that man. I'm that man who only go to

933
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: Nikos and Gordon average once a year, or every once

934
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: or tw twice a year, you know, every six months

935
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: or once a year. And I want to tell you why,

936
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: my brother. I love them brothers over there. I left

937
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: a lot of brothers over there I love. I got

938
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: love for Loaf Rinsey, I got love from them Lockboys

939
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: also we we I love them brothers, you know what

940
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love Snoop, I love them with them brothers.

941
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,479
Speaker 1: You know, those my second generation brothers, and they're growing

942
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: up over there still. They've been there since the sixties,

943
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: in the seventies. And it's something about the love that

944
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: I have for them. Brother. I understand that it's not

945
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: easy for everybody to make transitions from out the project,

946
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: coming straight from prison. You got to have money, man,

947
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: to live in a nice neighborhood. And I was just

948
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: blessed enough to to to know a church foundation that

949
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: they gave me and my wife. They're what they called

950
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: it their credit to rent a house. I didn't have

951
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: no credit when I came home, I didn't have nothing.

952
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: What I'm saying matter fact, you know, saying I was

953
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: living with for family members. Now I have something that

954
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: I have my family in and and that is something

955
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: that that that I really value. I value that. Guess

956
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: what it's like. It's like returning to slavery in a sense,

957
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: slavery is proverty. That's another sense of proverty, you know,

958
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: And that's why they want to keep us at in

959
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: a slave like state of eating pork and throwing the

960
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: guts to to the slaves and were eating their leftovers.

961
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: That that's how they treat us in that sense. Right today,

962
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, they don't give us the best food in

963
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: our community. You see a looking store and McDonald's everywhere,

964
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: But do you see uh farmer John's or whatever the

965
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: places that that that that they grow that organic food.

966
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: You don't see that in wants and comfort. So they

967
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: don't help our best interest, brothers. So what we have

968
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: to do put our money together, brother and start our

969
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: own organic food supply because they're not going to give

970
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: it to us in their neighborhood. They're gonna put it

971
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: in their own community. Now, the thing about an individual

972
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: leaving the neighborhood and not wanting to come back. The

973
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: only way I can see that if you truly, truly

974
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: make a one hundred I'm talking about one hundred percent

975
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: change in your mind and heart to the point to

976
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: where some things that you're do in life, in some

977
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: places that you have been in life, in your mind,

978
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: it can be disgusting. In other words, it can be

979
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: tormented to you to the point to where you want

980
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: to never see that again. You don't want to even

981
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: come in contact with that norm. It's just like a

982
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: female being raped. You. You you get so term tormented

983
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: to where now you don't want to go down in

984
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: peril highway through wats. You don't want to go down

985
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: the one on five because it brings back bad memories.

986
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: And you know, and and here it is now you

987
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: live in a luxury, a luxury life to the point

988
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: to where you want to leave all that behind you.

989
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: And you know, that's what I call keeping the line moving.

990
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: So you can't be mad at a brother because you

991
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: don't want to return to Oh No, never because I

992
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: left a place. I left the east side of Cleveland, Ohio,

993
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: and ain't winning back. Ain't never went back because it

994
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: was it's priority. It's a lot of priority. It's depression.

995
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: You know. You see homeboys that you come up with,

996
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: they get hooked on that dope or that they go to,

997
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, prison just you know, just getting out of prison.

998
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: It's just like a revolving door almost up there, you

999
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You see a brother staying, You

1000
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: go back to the crib and you say, well, man,

1001
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: I ain't miss it because this dude right here, he

1002
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: was just out when I came back, and now he's

1003
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: back in there. You know, it's a revolving door. And

1004
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: that that takes me back to my point. Man, I

1005
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: believe a lot of this stuff is designed for it

1006
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: to happen that way. Then I believe they didn't have

1007
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: to do that hard of a job because I think

1008
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: we are own worst enemies a lot of times. Yes,

1009
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: it is. I just parolled fourteen years ago from a

1010
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: California man's college and I was down there with my

1011
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: partner named Marcellus Robinson from Compton. And you know that's

1012
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: my boy right there, cec Rodder, that's my loved one

1013
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: right there. Just talk to him over the phone. Uh,

1014
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: Mellie Mayle hooked es up together and I got love

1015
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: for that brother, you know. And you know what we

1016
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: have to understand, my brother, is that you know, uh,

1017
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: some things can be very tormented my brother. You know,

1018
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: it would be just like, uh, they got some brothers

1019
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: that hate prisons so much they'd rather die on the

1020
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: streets than they go back to prison. They would they

1021
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: would tell you, I'm holding court in the streets. And

1022
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: I can understand that mentality because this pain is suffering

1023
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: to live through. That is suffering, my brother. It takes

1024
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: a very strong individual man to do forty years, to

1025
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: do forty five years, like my boy LB. It takes

1026
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: a lot man to do that. We all can't do that,

1027
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: my brother. And you won't really really really know until

1028
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: you up against their grind because everybody can say, yeah,

1029
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: that ain't nothing, I ain't gonna kill myself, But it's

1030
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: a lot of brothers that have killed themselves. I'm not

1031
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: gonna go to the names right now, but we also

1032
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: know that a lot of strong brothers have committed suicide

1033
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: up in them joints because they can't get away from

1034
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: the torment. And the torment is this this, this is

1035
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: this is me. This is this is my personal personal belief.

1036
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: I think we fight ourselves. Sometimes we fight our own

1037
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: demons and we lose the voices that go to your head.

1038
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: You would never be nothing. You'll always be in the ghetto.

1039
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: When you go home, nobody don't love you. You're coming

1040
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: back again all these things. Your your mother died and

1041
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: you weren't even there for the funeral, you know, saying

1042
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: your son died and you weren't even there for the

1043
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: federal That's that. That's the voice of demons. Brother, are

1044
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: trying to get you to commit suicide. And believe it

1045
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: or not, I want to say it because it's one

1046
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: hundred You gotta watch with some of your homeboys. Tell

1047
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: you also, because they can also be demodic. They can

1048
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: mislead you to to get killed. They can mislead you

1049
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: to get destroyed. What I'm saying that goes also in

1050
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: the realm of human beings, not just satan. You know,

1051
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: You've got some people out of these streets that take

1052
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: a form of satan. Then you just don't see it

1053
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: exactly because I tell you this, and this is how

1054
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: I was aged. I've never been a man for gossip. Right.

1055
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: If I'm riding down the street and I see your

1056
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: wife in the car with another man. I'm not gonna

1057
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: jump on the phone and tell you, hey, frog, I

1058
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: guess saw your old lady out here with something niked.

1059
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: That's messy. I don't know who that man was. I

1060
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: don't know who that was. That could have been her daddy.

1061
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: She could have been with her brother, she could have

1062
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: been with her uncle. I don't know what place you went.

1063
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: And mentally you maybe already having some stuff with your

1064
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: old lady and she come home. Next thing you know,

1065
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: you in prison for doing something your old laddy for

1066
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: a misunderstand if it's some stuff that was gossip, right,

1067
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you the definitely lives out there,

1068
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: and the devil does man and fest yourself in homies

1069
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: and this and that because you have some homeboys that

1070
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: have called you about your business that they don't know

1071
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: nothing about, telling you about what's going on with this,

1072
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: this and the third, and then now that you've got

1073
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: a big menagerie going on a bunch of mess. So

1074
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: it is a spiritual condition. It's a condition of the spirit. Man,

1075
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about real love, my brother. I

1076
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: can remember when I was a solid dad and we

1077
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: got ready to take off on the white boys, the

1078
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: bloods and the rips, you know. And we was in

1079
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: f wing. Already told his story twice and I'm just

1080
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna just elaborate on this. I had a homeboy. He

1081
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: was there with me and they was silkie blood. He

1082
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: was not even in the wing that we was in.

1083
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: He popped up in there just to holler at me

1084
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: to see what was going on. And the first thing

1085
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: I told you get out of here is gonna go down.

1086
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't want you up in there because you're not

1087
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: gonna get away. You're not. You're out of bound. So

1088
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm letting you know right now for your safety and

1089
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: for you to stay on the main line. Leaves that

1090
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: was out of love because you have some guy what's

1091
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: called him and say he's a coward for not staying. See,

1092
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: he don't have the best interest in hand. You know

1093
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: some things, brother, you can handle on yourself, and you

1094
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: ain't gotta take nobody down with you every time. And

1095
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: that's what real love is about, brother, is wanted somebody

1096
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: to least escape out of the madness, what I'm saying.

1097
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: And that's where we have it all twisted, brother and

1098
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: saying we need to be happy to see a brother

1099
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: get up and get out to ghetto. We should be

1100
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: happy to see a brother you know, uh changes life

1101
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: for the better. Just like Pops say, I ain't mad

1102
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: at you. Why should you be mad at the individual

1103
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: that's doing better? Know what I'm saying. If anything, you

1104
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Find out how that he got

1105
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: to that plateau. How what did he do to to

1106
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: to rise up to that level? Instead of sitting back

1107
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: plotting on, you find up breaking his house and steal everything,

1108
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: or you finna burn his car up because he has

1109
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's being and you don't have one

1110
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: the formula. Find out the formula. They can come in

1111
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: my house and break in the motherfuckering you won't get

1112
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: You might come through the front door, but you won't

1113
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: go back out that way because you're gonna get popped

1114
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: on when you first come. Said they're coming in vertical

1115
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: leaving overzone. Hey, hey, hey, hey, and I got love

1116
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: everything and everybody. But if you if it's if it's

1117
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: that's the way I gotta go, that's the way it

1118
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: gotta go. Some things you don't forget. You know that

1119
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: this is one of those things too. Man, the world,

1120
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: I wish we you know, the show hour long. We

1121
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: already over that. But I want to have you come back, man,

1122
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: because I don't feel like this story is finished. Can

1123
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: we do that? Well, uh yeah, I'm gonna take care

1124
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: of me. He gotta come back. And and this is

1125
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: what I want everybody to know. Me and Norman. Our

1126
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: purpose is to show that everybody. I listen to everybody,

1127
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: but I'm like this, every we all got a choice.

1128
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: And when you're standing in that moment and you in

1129
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: the heat of it and you feel like you gotta

1130
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: do something, look at it. Who's around you, and make

1131
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: that choice. If he's gonna go to jail with me,

1132
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: fucking let's do it. If he ain't gonna run out

1133
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: on me, fucking let's do it. Let's get at these cats.

1134
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: But everybody got a choice, and we made a lot

1135
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: of choices. We are lucky to be here, and we

1136
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: made a lot of choices. We made a lot of

1137
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: choices that wouldn't right. But for all of these little

1138
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: young cats out here, we have a choice. And that's

1139
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: the bottom line. Well, our choices is man, We're gonna

1140
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: grow up and be grown men and raised our grandkids,

1141
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: you know. And and for those brothers that oh he

1142
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: he didn't turn into a woman. He raising kids. Man,

1143
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm proud to be a grandfather, you know what I'm saying.

1144
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of us brothers. I got a

1145
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: lot of homies that didn't even have one kid. I

1146
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: got some o g s that don't have no kids,

1147
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: never been married. Oh we know his prison and death.

1148
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: So if we can get away from that, we'll be

1149
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: all right. Well, I want to say this about Ray

1150
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: Boys and Toppy Clark. I believe him brothers had the gift.

1151
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: I've been athletes, professional athletes in boxing and sports track, whatever,

1152
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,479
Speaker 1: but they wanted to hang out with the homeboys, see

1153
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying in the hood. Ray Boys with the college.

1154
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: He went to Southwest, He played back He played football

1155
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: four White Ts in seventy Speedy original Speedy from back Street.

1156
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: Cript told me that Ray Boys was the beast on

1157
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: White Ts. You training school, uh football field, and I

1158
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: know that Ray Boys ran the ball like uh Earl Campbell,

1159
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: and he hit the He hits you like he was

1160
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor. The brother had professional hard hidding skills and

1161
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: hard running skills. If he would have took that from Southwest,

1162
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: from White TS to Southwest. Matter of fact, they said,

1163
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: from Jordan's seventy one or seventy, and then he went

1164
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: to TS. He played for Jordan's and he was a

1165
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: beast at Jordan's. And then he played for White Ts.

1166
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: He was a beast at White Ts. Then he went

1167
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: to White went to Southwest College and seventy two and

1168
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: he played for Southwest College and he ended up going

1169
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: right back. He went to he he went right back.

1170
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: But my whole thing is this, my brother, I'm saying,

1171
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: which your wont for our brothers. If you see a

1172
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: brother with talent, you know, and you see that he

1173
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: got the ability to get up out of here, man,

1174
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: you should want that for him and not want to

1175
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: be drinking and smoking and urging him to hang out

1176
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: on the streets. But to you you know, I hate to

1177
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I hate

1178
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: to say the thing about two pots situations dealing with

1179
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: the situation of I'm just gonna put it this, so

1180
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use myself. For example, if I was a

1181
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: producer or anything like Dr Dre or Sugar anybody, and

1182
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: I had a rapper that was worth a million dollars

1183
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: or billion, dollars industry. He would be kept very safe,

1184
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: very safe because I love him and I love I

1185
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: would want the best for him and his family. Because

1186
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: the man is on a positive role, I would keep

1187
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: him away from the negativity. So if I see somebody

1188
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: that have a good boxing hand, a good sport hand,

1189
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: I would try to guide him to stay into that

1190
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: and leave the game members along. This is can be

1191
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: this is this this, this is this can be beneficial

1192
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: for the community. He could open up doors for people

1193
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: like in the projects to to join basketball or football,

1194
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: just like uh and Andre Miller. He he became a

1195
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: Golden Naked He's from Nickoson Garden. He never gained banging

1196
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: his life. Yes, Andre Miller, he's he's he's my homeboy.

1197
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: He knowed me personally. I didn't even know who he

1198
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: was until I ran up only one day and he said,

1199
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: what's up for all? I'm Andre Miller. I said, oh,

1200
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: you to go to Nugget And he greeted me because

1201
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: he knew me as a little boy. And and that

1202
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: made me feel good that the brother from the Golden

1203
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: Nugget is a multi millionaire and he's not in the project.

1204
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about robbing him or killing him. I

1205
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: hate none. I was happy for him because I guess what,

1206
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: my brother, that could be me too if I would

1207
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: have took that same role. We made choices in life,

1208
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: just like Ray Boys. He was best in sport and

1209
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: best in boxing. I would say he was the best

1210
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: with his fist in l a from what too Pretty

1211
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: Chinny and mc thomas was talking about. But that's another

1212
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: kend of worms. But my whole thing is this my brother.

1213
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying I love these brothers to the point to

1214
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,479
Speaker 1: where in my heart right today I want the best

1215
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: for them, and I would like to give a role

1216
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: call out on these pictures very briefly, if it's all right,

1217
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: do you think okay? Number one is Ray Boys. He's

1218
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: squatting down in nineteen seventy five. He just got out

1219
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: of y. This is when uh he was uh working

1220
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: for the w S c a C. And by the fact, yes,

1221
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy he came home. In nineteen seventy five, he's

1222
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: working for uh, yeah he was. By the fact, he's

1223
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: doing construction work for the Nickison Garden projects. They were

1224
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: rebuilding the inside, remodeling the projects. In seventy seventy six.

1225
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: So uh, the Watch Community Authority, House Authority hired a

1226
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: lot of bounty hunters to do work and they was

1227
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: getting paid in seventy six, they was getting paid like

1228
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: twenty dollars an hour. They was the mess security. That's also,

1229
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: that's right. I remember when they build the freeway over

1230
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: there on Imperial because the white folks can't come up

1231
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: Imperial without getting them bbs and shipped. And my generation

1232
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: in the seventies Ray Boys, Terry Moses, they would actually

1233
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: snach you out your car. They didn't bust no window

1234
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: when that light catch you on success Or Central all

1235
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: right there on Compton Avenue. We didn't bust no windows.

1236
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: And we didn't rob no black own Messican people. Everybody

1237
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: who came was coming from Lynnwood or coming from the

1238
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: airport had since identity of who they robbed. Also, they

1239
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: didn't rob black people back then on Imperial in the seventies.

1240
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: No Ray boys them with robbering white man. He went

1241
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: to jail for robbing the white man. You know, I'm saying,

1242
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: I've seen him do it myself, but he went he

1243
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: went to ts behind that in seventy two. We did

1244
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: not rob our own people back then. That that case

1245
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: that happened with the Hawkins, that wouldn't never happened with

1246
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: us in our generation because we don't get into it

1247
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: with our community. We got into it what our Adver series,

1248
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: which was to call up part of Crypts. We didn't

1249
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: rob our community, neighborhoods linked stories because we had love

1250
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: for them. They've seen us grow up as elementary people,

1251
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: so now that were teenager, we had a little bit

1252
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: respect for him. Except the one on the hundred and

1253
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: twelfth and Central. That was the one that we really

1254
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: was fighting when we was like in high school and

1255
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: junior high school fighting guys that was in their thirties

1256
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: in late twenties, and you know that came out kind

1257
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: of hecky. One of them end up getting shot, you

1258
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: know in the homies, you know, they broke somebody's leg

1259
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: and they beat up some homies. They pistol with one

1260
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: of the homies and all this is in the seventies,

1261
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: but nobody never got killed. So that just to show

1262
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: you that even people who you don't even like and

1263
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: you don't get along with, you still have a choice,

1264
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: my brother, of not killing that individual. You still have

1265
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: that choice. Now I want to discuss the one based

1266
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: on with Joe Barker. Joe Barker is the homeboy who

1267
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: reminds me of Sampson. He flexing his muscles right, and

1268
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: he's standing next to Babe Bro. Babe Brother is a gunner.

1269
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: He has no respect for law. He reminds me of

1270
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: what's that guy named, uh, baby face Nelson? Nelson. He

1271
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: he do not like you know? He Well. My thing

1272
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 1: with the homies that I have a lot of respectful

1273
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: was based on the police. My homeboys back in the

1274
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: seventies never killed the crib, never killed the crib. There's

1275
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: not on record killing the crill. But they got at

1276
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: least four police cases under their belts during time. So

1277
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: Babe Bro and Joe Barker they both rest in peace.

1278
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 1: So I can speak on this, you know, uh, dealing

1279
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: with the situation that hand killer Joe and Babe Bro.

1280
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: Number three, it is dealing with another picture. Our name

1281
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:36,520
Speaker 1: Nickoson Gordon Findess. You have Terry Modens, Ray Boys, Rory Lynch, Cocole,

1282
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: Rick Rock and then you have Joe Smith. At the

1283
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: bottom you have zero. You have Earl Jones with the

1284
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: Charlie had Charlie had used to Buddy used to be

1285
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: the Bounty Hunters original hat back in n seventy two,

1286
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: before the before we start wearing ace deuces. Then you

1287
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: have J. T. He rested in peace. Then you have

1288
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: uh Ricky Green, who A C. Wrote in his book

1289
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: he was also a bandar rule uh back in nineteen

1290
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: seventy four with A C and N Y T s.

1291
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: And then he goes to bondar rouges again. And they

1292
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: came home in nineteen seventy six. You got uh Me

1293
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 1: holding the radio, hard Rock pointing up to the sky,

1294
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: Terry Mooks just wearing the red tennis shoes. Uh, you

1295
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: have Neil Matthew wearing the leather coat and co Co

1296
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: point to this guy. And hard Rock wearing also a

1297
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: red bandanna. And what I can actually say about these

1298
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: brothers right here, they brought Bondarou home. They truly brought

1299
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: the word bondar route to the house. And I was

1300
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: there with them in nineteen seventy six. So I don't

1301
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: know about what t Rogers talking about. Uh everybody was

1302
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: saying because and anybody was saying blood. We never said

1303
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: because I never even heard no pot roussa. Cause we

1304
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: all started saying blood to each other and wearing red

1305
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: bandannas together. I'm saying because I know for a fact

1306
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: that nobody held the rip and down the butt pot rule,

1307
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: and LB and little Vins made sure, not a cee,

1308
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: but LB a little Vince made sure that that red

1309
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: band downer that made Parou what it is today became

1310
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: a blood nation. And that's the true fact. I have

1311
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: another one I want to talk about. I have the

1312
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,879
Speaker 1: road Call of my Homeboys nineteen seventy three Body Hunters.

1313
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: Do you have Junior Thomas left the right, you have

1314
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: Cherry or Taker, and then you have Sugarloo from Paroux

1315
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: throwing up the Parous side. Did you have Michael Duroux

1316
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: wearing a beige knit shirt throwing up the Bondi Hunter sign?

1317
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: Did you have Terry Moses throwing up the sign? You

1318
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: have David Taplet, and you have uh a sip or Taker,

1319
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: and you have uh. I forgot the other guy at

1320
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: the very end, but that's Terry Moses little son standing

1321
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: right next to David Tablet. That's in white ts, not

1322
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: white ts. That's a nullus. That's anothers in Y nineteen

1323
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 1: seventy three, the original Bondi Hunters right there. Okay, uh

1324
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 1: then we have another picture that I want to elaborate on.

1325
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: You're dealing with Junior Thomas standing to your left and

1326
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: Hard Rocks standing to your right. Junior Thomas is the

1327
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: leader of the bonding Hunters with a red flag on. Now,

1328
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: I challenge anybody that is a brown or from any

1329
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: other set to show me a picture of the O

1330
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: G Homeboys back in the seventies with a red flag.

1331
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about guys that would be like sixty seven

1332
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: and sixty six. Today Hard Rock is flamed up and

1333
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: he rested in peace. He would be today. We're dealing

1334
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: with originals. They're standing right in the middle of the

1335
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: heart of Nickoson Garden. You have Hanking Black standing by

1336
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: the radio, and you have Squeak in the right tennis

1337
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: shoes wearing black and that this is in the seventies

1338
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: of the original Bonar rouge. Uh. Then you have another

1339
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: picture of the Homeboys standing together in the projects. Yeah,

1340
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: Michael Ford wearing a beige beantie crap cop. You have

1341
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,799
Speaker 1: Terry Modens wearing the leather coat. You have Gary Barker

1342
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: a light blue, light blue shirt. You have somebody in

1343
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 1: the background throwing up a body Hunter sign. Yeah, Ricky

1344
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: Bryant in the bottom left corner that Silkie blood and

1345
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: these are the original body hunters hanging out together in

1346
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. And I just want to

1347
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: elaborate on one more thing, and that would be with Mr.

1348
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: T Michael Smith Rest in peace. Uh. I have his

1349
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: obituary right before me right now, and he passed away

1350
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: in November, uh eighte. This guy right here, what I

1351
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: like about him, He was the type of guy that

1352
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: he truly believed in fist fighting. This is the only

1353
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: homeboy that I know from Nikison Garden that took it

1354
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: to the jordan Dale Cribs with his fists by himself.

1355
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: Him and Eddie Brown from the Jordan Down cribs. They

1356
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: had a fist to cuff fight and they were fighting

1357
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 1: like cats and dog in the great and in the

1358
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: Jordan Doren, the neighborhood on Grandy behind the tracks, and

1359
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: we had squabbles with them guys because at one time

1360
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: we was green jackets, so we really never had, you know,

1361
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: the killing field with each other. We always did respect

1362
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: each other and gave each other fair faces. And I

1363
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: would say Michael Smill was the one that actually took

1364
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: it to him and start fighting them instead of us

1365
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: taking potshots at each other, and they tried to jump

1366
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 1: on him, uh, and I jumped in and UH gave

1367
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: somebody what they call a dope feed punch, and they

1368
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: all turned and looked at me like they would get

1369
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: ready to jump on me. And my boy from from

1370
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: the Jordan Downs, my partner said a McGill. He stopped

1371
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: them and told them they're not gonna do nothing to

1372
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: me because he knew me from Junia Hall. And I

1373
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: don't think I knew him from Junia Hall, but I

1374
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna disagree that that. Know what I'm saying, I

1375
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: think you're ready to jump on me. So Michael Smills

1376
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: is the brother who took it like a vanguard to

1377
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: the crips with his fists. He wanted to fight him

1378
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: and not shoot him, and that was his choice, and

1379
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: I was rushed right there with he. Now my choice

1380
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: would have been the same thing, But at the same time,

1381
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that you go up to an individual talking

1382
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: about fighting and they want to kill you while you

1383
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: talking about fighting. So I had that mentality, but he

1384
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: never thought like that, So I wonder, uh was he

1385
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: actually slipping or was he doing the right thing. So,

1386
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: like I said, it's his choice again and I want

1387
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: to leave with this last picture. Oh yeah, this is

1388
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: Michael Smith, trouble Man, that's his name. We called him

1389
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: trouble Man, Mr T. This is his daughter also, he's

1390
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: studying on a bench with his daughter is standing on

1391
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: the bench. And he also had a picture of him

1392
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: with his hands open. He's uh in y t s

1393
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: at the time for a murder. He was there back

1394
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: in like seventy nine and t s. He said, he

1395
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: he's smiling on this picture. And uh not last, but

1396
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: least uh two pretty kitty from uh cornerpucket cript I

1397
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: got him at one picture. You know what I'm saying.

1398
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: This is my boy man, two pretty kitty from corner pocket,

1399
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: my house man, and he brought my kids some lunching everything,

1400
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: and we chopped it up with each other. Him and

1401
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. We're taking a picture right in front of

1402
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: my like a navigator. And that's my real partner right there.

1403
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: It's one thing I can say about him, man, that

1404
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: I like about him. Man. You know, he has a

1405
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: sense of humor that makes me love him man, because

1406
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't see no fakens in him when it comes

1407
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: to humor, you know. Uh, he here makes you laugh,

1408
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: My brother and he and he's real about this laughter,

1409
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: you know. And I have a lot of respects. Yeah,

1410
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: he's from corner He's from corner Pocket. He's original corner pocket.

1411
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, he's the one that started and his

1412
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: mama garage. You know what I'm saying. But hey, I

1413
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: got love for Crips to I got love from Melle Mel.

1414
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: He's a good brother. He speaks with he speaks with knowledge,

1415
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: He speaks with he speaks with understanding. I have love

1416
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: for Cutes also, he speaks with knowledge and understand it.

1417
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: But I will say this, though Cutes and Pooky, Raymond

1418
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: Washington did use a gun. You need to buy the

1419
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: book I Am Raymond Washington and it speaks on that

1420
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: because they use guns all in the books. Ain't nothing

1421
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: wrong with using the gun though, I mean, the gun

1422
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: is an easy way to like fucking sweating. No no

1423
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 1: hard man popua mother going about you. But be done

1424
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 1: with it. But don't compare ray boys who never used

1425
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: the gun with a person who used the gun. Well,

1426
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: you can't compare that. Yeah, again, he was a spobbler.

1427
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: He wasn't a gun user, so you don't compare. I'm

1428
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,799
Speaker 1: letting them know. Jimmy Leavindor and Cammac made a statement

1429
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: about that, and I'm just letting them know. Raymond use

1430
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: the guns and ray boys didn't use guns, and it's

1431
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: in the books. Well, I mean to say, I'm rocking

1432
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: and rolling with you, Raymond. If you need to pistol,

1433
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: and it's an easy way, I can get five for one. Well,

1434
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: I used the gun myself, my brother. I didn't come

1435
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: body on the front for nothing. But my whole point

1436
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: is is, don't never get on the stage saying that

1437
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: Bonny Hunter Frog never we used the gun when you

1438
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: know I was a gunn don't get on stage just

1439
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: say that, uh Hunter Frog had respect for the females

1440
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 1: of the hood, when you know I was going around

1441
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: calling everybody to B word. You know what I'm saying,

1442
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: which is the B I, T. C. H. Basically have

1443
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: some real facts, but we're exactly the factor part is

1444
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. There's nothing wrong we're using the gun.

1445
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: But my point is, you know I understand this, and

1446
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave you with this. My brother none, I

1447
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: gotta Goigart Okay, so it's just just a break. Are

1448
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: we coming over? We're gonna do a part two. We

1449
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: gotta do a part right now, you get through, Okay, Well,

1450
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: I just want to just say this. I don't want

1451
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: let you go, my brother. What I'm saying, and I

1452
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: want and I want, I want to let you go

1453
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, um and where is that? Where is

1454
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 1: that subject at? Where is that I'm going to I'm

1455
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: looking for the subject. I go, hey, see, Bubba Louis.

1456
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know, Salie Percy know

1457
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. As Ricky Bryant would say, silkie blood

1458
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: if they ever would have got into it, Charlie Percy

1459
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: didn't have no edge over Ray Boys. Ray Boys was

1460
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: athlete a matter of fact, men, a bit of dog

1461
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: a k a silkie blood Ricky Bryant. We come to

1462
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: the conclusion that Charlie Percy wouldn't probably even never hit

1463
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: Ray Boys because he was too athletic for Charlie Percy.

1464
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: But but but you know, that's just our opinion. Though

1465
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: we all have our opinions. So everybody is the title

1466
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: to their own opinion on that I was saying about

1467
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: ray Is this my brother. You know what I'm saying,

1468
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: It is what it is. It is what it is.

1469
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,799
Speaker 1: My brother. He was a type of guy that that

1470
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: did not use no guns and he did not believe

1471
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: in using guns and he never used the gun. I

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Speaker 1: understand that we do comparis. We have a Tennessee of

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Speaker 1: comparing Kobe to Michael Jordan's. We have a Tennessee comparing

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Speaker 1: Mark Rocky Marciano to to Ali. We have a tendency

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Speaker 1: of comparing Uh Biggie Small to Tupae. Know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: But in our hearts, our hearts, all them people that

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Speaker 1: child comparing them too. Y'all know who number one is.

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Speaker 1: Y'all know who number one is. So we don't even

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Speaker 1: have to eleporate on nothing else dealing with this situation too.

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Speaker 1: Pretty Kinney and mac Thomas told the truth what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to know about ray boys, read

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Speaker 1: two Pretty Kinney book. When mac Thomas said that if

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Speaker 1: him and Raymond Washington would have got into it, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, it would have been ray all the way.

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Speaker 1: And I also want to say this, I challenge anybody

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Speaker 1: hancho head, honcho, uh afro pigmy uh Tyrone Tate Uh.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who really know ray boys and who really know

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Speaker 1: Raymond Washington? I challenged them, tell what do they think

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Speaker 1: about Raymond and ray Uh? In comparison dealing with slinging

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Speaker 1: them dogs? Who do you think you know hypothetically had

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Speaker 1: the best hands. I'm talking about the old Richard old

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Speaker 1: triple o gs who know both of them? Anybody who

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Speaker 1: don't know both of them, you can't compare them. You

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Speaker 1: have to know both of them, Sally to compare them.

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Speaker 1: That's on the way you can make a compariship is

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Speaker 1: by knowing both people. And I want to leave it

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Speaker 1: like that, and there it is right there, O g Frog.

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Speaker 1: Part two comings soon. Well. That concludes another episode of

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