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Speaker 3: Number four, twenty nine of the Marine Layer podcast. We'll
Speaker 3: give our thoughts on the twenty twenty six Mariners draft class.
Speaker 1: There is also a report from Bob.
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Speaker 3: And we will come to this episode of the Marine
Speaker 3: Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, recording
Speaker 3: here on Sunday evening, July twelfth. It is a much
Speaker 3: calmer atmosphere for us around the drafts when the Mariners
Speaker 3: are not picking number three.
Speaker 1: Overall, I gotta.
Speaker 2: Say, well, some of that's fun, some of that isn't.
Speaker 2: You don't get to get as fired up about a
Speaker 2: pick like Kate Anderson, which they again essentially into last
Speaker 2: year in the draft, which was amazing.
Speaker 1: Just a comparison from this year to last year.
Speaker 3: Last year, we're like refreshing Twitter as fast as humanly
Speaker 3: possible to see who they would pick. And this year,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we saw the pick like ten
Speaker 3: minutes after.
Speaker 1: It happened, right, which is fine.
Speaker 3: But that's more what we did this year is more
Speaker 3: so the natural progression of the MLB Draft.
Speaker 1: If I was at.
Speaker 2: Home, I'd probably watch on TV because I'd be interested
Speaker 2: to see who they're gonna pick. But when you're roaming
Speaker 2: around All Star Week in Philly like we are all week,
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on. There's not always as much
Speaker 2: time to just sit and watch every pick of the draft.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we were following online and we saw the
Speaker 2: Mariners take Ace Reese as we're walking around, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, if you want all our thoughts on All
Speaker 2: Star Week, we can do that for Friday's pod. We
Speaker 2: are recording this one a little bit early, just with
Speaker 2: all the chaos that happens with our schedule and in
Speaker 2: Philadelphia during All Star Week, like it does every year
Speaker 2: in terms of how hectic our schedule gets.
Speaker 1: But we will give you a.
Speaker 2: Full All Star Week recap on Friday's episode as we
Speaker 2: get you guys ready for the second half of the.
Speaker 3: Year because the Derby hasn't happened yet and the All
Speaker 3: Star Game hasn't happened yet as we're recording this. So
Speaker 3: even though you're hearing it after those have happened for
Speaker 3: us yet in the past, those have not happened yet.
Speaker 2: And again, there's just not much going on for the
Speaker 2: Mariners at this year's All Star week. Cal's not in
Speaker 2: the Derby. The Mariners have one guy here in Randy
Speaker 2: A Rosarina. There's just I don't think there's that much
Speaker 2: to recap.
Speaker 3: Right, But what we do have to recap, and what
Speaker 3: we could talk about is who the Mariners have picked
Speaker 3: so far, and as I have actually we have not
Speaker 3: mentioned this. Joe Doyle will be on next Wednesday's episode,
Speaker 3: So a week from today, as you're hearing this, love
Speaker 3: Joe Doyle on. He will have a much better, much
Speaker 3: more in depth breakdown of this Mariner's draft class. And
Speaker 3: I will just give our initial thoughts of the first
Speaker 3: couple of picks here on this podcast. So let's start
Speaker 3: with the first pick, Ace Rees. He plays in the
Speaker 3: SEC or played in the SEC. He's a third baseman
Speaker 3: for Mississippi State. The dude mashes I mean, he has
Speaker 3: hit every single year of college. He's spent his first
Speaker 3: year at Houston, he spent the next two at Mississippi
Speaker 3: State with ops's over eleven hundred. And he does something
Speaker 3: very few college hitters do. He hit over twenty home
Speaker 3: runs in back to back seasons. So it's pretty clear
Speaker 3: this dude can really, really, really mash.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's what intrigued the Mariners. I mean, now,
Speaker 2: there's probably a few different reasons this pick got made.
Speaker 2: It's very unlike the Mariners to make a pick like this.
Speaker 1: I mean, they.
Speaker 2: Haven't drafted a college infielder, or really an infielder with
Speaker 2: their first pick. They have not drafted a infielder college
Speaker 2: infielder with their first pick since even White twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: They drafted Luke Stevenson in the first round. Technically last
Speaker 2: year it was in the supplemental first round with the Compicks,
Speaker 2: but they haven't drafted a college infielder with their first
Speaker 2: pick since even White. They've gone away from this strategy
Speaker 2: for a long time. They've taken a lot of college
Speaker 2: pitchers and a lot of high school hitters. And if
Speaker 2: you're looking at why they likely took Ace Reese. The
Speaker 2: reason why they like the player is, I'm sure the power,
Speaker 2: I'm sure the ability to leave the ballpark. I'm sure
Speaker 2: the ability to do damage hopefully one day in the
Speaker 2: middle of the lineup if everything goes right, and when
Speaker 2: you see twenty home run power in college.
Speaker 1: It's gonna jump out.
Speaker 2: You see eleven hundred oh pss in college, it's gonna
Speaker 2: jump out. And look, we'll get into some of the concerns,
Speaker 2: but those are the positives.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of damage from the left side. I
Speaker 3: think the way he fits in the Mariners farm system
Speaker 3: is kind of what they're lacking right now in the middle.
Speaker 1: Part of the Mariners farm.
Speaker 3: There's not this incredibly like high floor top ten Mariners
Speaker 3: prospect roaming in either High A or Double A right now.
Speaker 3: As a hitter, I mean, Luke Stevenson is still pretty
Speaker 3: I mean pretty raw. I mean, he's probably the closest
Speaker 3: to that. But if they could add a second version
Speaker 3: of Luke Stevenson in this Mariners farm system to be
Speaker 3: sort of step step first step with Luke up through
Speaker 3: the minor leagues as a couple of hitters to sort
Speaker 3: of supplement this Mariner's roster into the future, probably in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight is when we would see those guys,
Speaker 3: most likely from a bat perspective. But the Mariners just
Speaker 3: in Double A especially don't have a ton of bats,
Speaker 3: and ace Rees looks like a guy next year could
Speaker 3: be in Double A at some point because this guy's
Speaker 3: just hit. The only concern with him is that is contact,
Speaker 3: not making enough contact. It is kind of ironic how
Speaker 3: he kind of fits exactly what the Mariner's problem is
Speaker 3: right now at the big league level, or it's like
Speaker 3: two left handed not always making enough contact. But regardless,
Speaker 3: that's a conversation for when Aceries is actually at the
Speaker 3: big league level because he's got a lot of developing
Speaker 3: left to do. This guy is going to do some
Speaker 3: damage for the Mariners and I'm pretty excited for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have not drafted many true power bats early
Speaker 2: in the first round. You've seen him draft Kyle Lewis athlete,
Speaker 2: Evan White athlete, and he was supposed to be a
Speaker 2: wizard of a first baseman defensively. It's just unfortunately for
Speaker 2: both of those two guys, and Lewis and Evan White,
Speaker 2: injuries cut those career, cut their careers way short, and
Speaker 2: it is really unfortunate because they had a chance to
Speaker 2: be pretty unique players, both of them. But then since
Speaker 2: then Logan Gilbert twenty eighteen, George Kirby twenty nineteen, Emerson
Speaker 2: Hancock twenty twenty, Harry Ford twenty twenty one, Cole Young
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, Colt Emerson twenty three, Jurangelo twenty four,
Speaker 2: Kate Anderson twenty five.
Speaker 1: There's not any true power bats in there.
Speaker 2: There's not that many bats period, but Cole Young, Colt, Emerson,
Speaker 2: Harry Ford, those aren't power bats. Those were supposed to
Speaker 2: be hitters that were well rounded baseball players, and Cole
Speaker 2: and Colt you're seeing some of that now in the
Speaker 2: big leagues. This is a true power threat that they're taking.
Speaker 2: They haven't used a lot of picks on a guy
Speaker 2: like that, so the ability to absolutely do damage is there.
Speaker 3: And they always have opted in the last ten years,
Speaker 3: they've aimed for upside with most of those picks, ironically,
Speaker 3: except Evan White, right, they've gone for guys who play
Speaker 3: up the middle, who are good athletes, who you could
Speaker 3: like ream on their potential as baseball players. Not to
Speaker 3: say a series can't have a high ceiling, but when
Speaker 3: the concerns about a player or that he's going to
Speaker 3: stick at a corner infield spot or move to a
Speaker 3: corner outfield spot that doesn't necessarily scream, Oh, this guy's
Speaker 3: going to be the next Colt Emerson at shortstop.
Speaker 2: Paired with the swing and miss that's already in his game,
Speaker 2: and what will probably be some questions about how he
Speaker 2: hits left handed pitching because he's a left handed bat
Speaker 2: with big power, which, again, when you compare it to
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys on the Mariners roster right now,
Speaker 2: there does feel like there's some similarities. Lefty with power
Speaker 2: who may struggle against lefties and has some swing and miss.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that's the reason you do
Speaker 2: or don't make a pick. You're trying to take the
Speaker 2: best player available and hopefully he turns into an impact
Speaker 2: player for your ball club long term. But you do
Speaker 2: just happen to notice some of the similarities.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll see how this turns out when he actual
Speaker 3: he gets into games and plays. We're hoping the Mariners selfishly,
Speaker 3: as as the pot as us the Marine Layer podcast,
Speaker 3: we are hoping that he gets sent to Everett and
Speaker 3: if he gets set to Everett. Then we're hoping we
Speaker 3: can get him on the podcast and you all can
Speaker 3: hear from him, and then he could tell you why
Speaker 3: he's going to actually be the most complete hitter in
Speaker 3: the minor leagues at this time next season.
Speaker 2: That'd be awesome. There's other Mariners' picks to talk about too.
Speaker 2: Before we do that, though, I.
Speaker 3: Would say, actually, one more thing, So why did they
Speaker 3: pick Ace Reese instead of drafting a pitcher?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I was going to get to that after this, but
Speaker 2: we can talk about it now. I would say it's
Speaker 2: probably how the board fell to them. I still think
Speaker 2: the Mariners wanted to draft a college arm.
Speaker 1: I don't know that for certain.
Speaker 2: This is just me speculating, but we had heard they
Speaker 2: like Cameron Fluky, and we also talked about how Cade
Speaker 2: Townsend felt like a pretty Mariner's type pitching prospect. Those
Speaker 2: guys went the exact two picks before the Mariners were
Speaker 2: set to select exactly the two picks before. Like the
Speaker 2: two guys we highlighted as very Mariners type profile arms.
Speaker 2: Fluky Townsend right handed college arms with projectability and upside.
Speaker 2: Decent stuff that has a little bit more to be developed.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this feels like a Mariner. They went
Speaker 2: the two picks before. So is there a chance the
Speaker 2: Mariners had to pivot? Yeah, there's a chance. Is there
Speaker 2: a chance that they weren't imagining they were going to
Speaker 2: take ace rees? Possible, but the board goes how the
Speaker 2: board goes mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And I feel like we'll get a better sense from
Speaker 3: that from Jodouah on Wednesday if I were guessed so great.
Speaker 3: And then the other two pictures we talked about, Tigan
Speaker 3: Kuhns went six picks later, he went to number thirty
Speaker 3: and then Cole Carlon slid almost into the forties. So
Speaker 3: those guys must have not been on the Mariner as
Speaker 3: high on the Mariner's board as someone like Ace Reese was,
Speaker 3: where they didn't. Perhaps the Mariners didn't see the upside
Speaker 3: in taking those arms as opposed to getting a power
Speaker 3: bat that can fill in in the middle of the
Speaker 3: Mariner's farm system and give them some they just don't
Speaker 3: really have in the miners quite as much.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to watch Fluky in Townsend as their
Speaker 2: minor league careers progress, just to see how they fare
Speaker 2: his arms just and it's always different depending on the system.
Speaker 1: You go to.
Speaker 2: Some developments better than others, situations are different than others.
Speaker 2: But what's that Angels. Well, yeah, those guys didn't go
Speaker 2: to the Angels. Thankfully for them, Yeah, good for them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'll be interested see how those guys fare
Speaker 2: as they work through the miners and if they really
Speaker 2: live up to the hype.
Speaker 3: Didn't the Angels pick a high schooler this year?
Speaker 1: I think they did, which is I think it's the
Speaker 1: first time in forever.
Speaker 3: I saw our friends at Cesspatas Family barbecue looking at
Speaker 3: like the John Mozela quotes talking about it where he
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, we're not gonna see this guy from
Speaker 3: a while, and everyone's like, oh my god, this could
Speaker 3: not be any more different. It's like development development, like
Speaker 3: actually letting a guy grow into professional baseball.
Speaker 1: No, that's just not the way to go.
Speaker 2: I mean, Nolan Channewell up two months later, Yeah, Christian
Speaker 2: Moore up within a year, like Tyler Bremner on the
Speaker 2: Price see him soon. Well, actually, maybe not anymore with
Speaker 2: the new regime. But incredible. They are an incredible franchise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really are.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're hoping a couple other prospects get
Speaker 2: to Effett this year too. In terms of the Mariners
Speaker 2: Draft Class, we'll talk about them before that. Let's pause
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Speaker 2: for Mariners fans would be awesome if you get to
Speaker 2: see him play, because that's who the Mariners took in
Speaker 2: the second round. Jake Brown is a left handed hitting
Speaker 2: out fielder out of LSU and I think what people
Speaker 2: really see jump out about him is the athleticism.
Speaker 3: This is from our friend Joe Doyle. His blurb on
Speaker 3: Jake Brown, crazy athlete, loads of untapped potential. If the
Speaker 3: Mariners can get his lower half figured out at the plate,
Speaker 3: could turn into a middle of the order threat, chance
Speaker 3: to play center field if the mobility ticks up. So
Speaker 3: this guy kind of it feels like he has sort
Speaker 3: of the hit or profile of what Ace Reese does
Speaker 3: with a touch more athleticism. He got hurt this year,
Speaker 3: which before the season there was some talk about him
Speaker 3: going in the first round, but he missed a good
Speaker 3: chunk of play this year, so he didn't get to
Speaker 3: showcase his full talents in the SEC this year. And
Speaker 3: the other concern was that he did a lot of
Speaker 3: his damage this year against mid major schools and not
Speaker 3: the actual like future pros he's facing in the SEC.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a second round pick. To me, that sounds
Speaker 3: like a clay that needs to be molded. That's what
Speaker 3: it sounds like.
Speaker 2: What did Joe talk about with our guy Nicki Becker
Speaker 2: last year? It's if everything goes well and everything goes right.
Speaker 2: This is a lot of the similar tools to what
Speaker 2: Gunner Henderson had in high school. Not every high school
Speaker 2: projectable bat ends up like Gunner Henderson. Some of them don't,
Speaker 2: but you're projecting that you could get a piece of
Speaker 2: that with your own guy, and you hope it turns
Speaker 2: into something. It's not exactly the same thing with Jake
Speaker 2: Brown because he's not the very young high school bat
Speaker 2: with a lot of raw tools like Becker, but it's
Speaker 2: a guy that you're currently that you're clearly going to
Speaker 2: have to do a little bit of projectability on because
Speaker 2: he missed time. There are some questions about how he'll
Speaker 2: hit left handed pitching as well. There are you know,
Speaker 2: there are questions, like Joe said, about where will he
Speaker 2: play defensively, Like will he be a true center fielder?
Speaker 2: Is he going to be more of a corner guy.
Speaker 2: There's a little bit up in the air with him.
Speaker 2: If it all goes right and it hits its one
Speaker 2: hundredth percentile, you could have something really awesome. If it
Speaker 2: doesn't and hits maybe more a fiftieth project project, oh
Speaker 2: my god, a fiftieth percentile outcome, then maybe he's a
Speaker 2: platoon bat who just helps in an outfield spot. Which, again,
Speaker 2: if that's what you got out of a second round pick,
Speaker 2: and he was a big leaguer, like a lot of
Speaker 2: second rounders, do a whole lot worse than that, so
Speaker 2: there's projectability there.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like he's a mix between the
Speaker 3: Mariners aiming for a projectable high schooler and going for
Speaker 3: a safe college bat.
Speaker 1: That's what it kind of feels to me.
Speaker 3: Like first initial thought is that there's some unknown here
Speaker 3: that could be great, but also could leave him a
Speaker 3: little bit below where the Mariners think his floor is.
Speaker 3: I just will just have to see as he plays.
Speaker 3: But this feels a more high school pick for the
Speaker 3: Mariners who's not actually a high schooler.
Speaker 2: For me, again, I think the right word to use
Speaker 2: is they're trying to project a bit, which in the
Speaker 2: second round, of course, go for upside. Take a guy
Speaker 2: who's talented, who you know as upside, and hope your
Speaker 2: development gets the most out of him.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 3: Here's another thing from Joe. He called Jake Brown with
Speaker 3: the most hitters in the country. This is in April.
Speaker 3: Not outlandish raw power or bat speed, but his understanding
Speaker 3: for generating lyft and backspin is rivaled by very few.
Speaker 3: Already sixteen homers this season as of this tweet. That
Speaker 3: tells me he's got his pull power dialed in. It's
Speaker 3: not just raw power, spring it all over the field.
Speaker 3: That is, being able to get on time to a
Speaker 3: baseball and pull it for power to right field, which
Speaker 3: I think is really important. There's another guy the Mariners
Speaker 3: picked in the third round with the one hundred and
Speaker 3: first overall pick. His name is Nathan Taylor, and Joe
Speaker 3: Doyle calls him a prototypical starting pitcher clay heading to
Speaker 3: Seattle's he says, this guy's got big extension, He's got
Speaker 3: to cut fastball, the slider has real depth. Immediately Slots
Speaker 3: is one of the better starting pitching prospects in the organization.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a pretty bold statement. You're obviously trying
Speaker 2: to do some projecting on Taylor too, But you talk
Speaker 2: about Cage, you talk about Sloan. He's obviously not gonna
Speaker 2: be ahead of those guys. But does he rank ahead
Speaker 2: of the Mason Peters of the world. Does he rank
Speaker 2: ahead of some of the others? Could be interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, as a college arm get this with seven
Speaker 3: feet of extension, Logan Gilbert Territoria saw that comp throughout
Speaker 3: there a little bit that certainly gives him the tools
Speaker 3: with some tinkering that the Mariners could do for him
Speaker 3: down in the minor leagues. He certainly seems like he
Speaker 3: has the stuff in the physical characteristics to trick hitters
Speaker 3: is the wrong word, but utilize his physical talents to
Speaker 3: get to get a bunch of outs.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I think that they'll develop. I mean, he
Speaker 2: does have a similar play to what other Mariners pitchers have.
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, we were talking to a couple people
Speaker 2: about this, that he could be developed very similarly similarly
Speaker 2: to a lot of the Mariner's right handed arms that
Speaker 2: they've taken in the past, because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: similar things there in terms of the projectability that fit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that fit the Mariner's mold.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like Joe will give a much better in
Speaker 2: depth analysis on Taylor than we will. But again, when
Speaker 2: you get to these second third round picks, you're going
Speaker 2: for some projectability and you're going for some upside.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what the Mariners are trying to
Speaker 1: do here.
Speaker 2: I mean, Taylor's another college arm, He's from Cincinnati, and
Speaker 2: you are hoping that he continues to only see the
Speaker 2: best version of himself as he keeps developing, as he
Speaker 2: keeps progressing, And.
Speaker 3: It looks like Nathan Taylor was he threw a lot
Speaker 3: of sliders in college, and they want him to throw
Speaker 3: more fastballs.
Speaker 2: But again, that's a fastball slider combo from a right
Speaker 2: handed college starter with big extension.
Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like a Mariner.
Speaker 3: There's another theme with this Mariner's draft. They didn't really
Speaker 3: take many high scores. I think they took one high
Speaker 3: schooler total in their twenty picks.
Speaker 1: And he's not going to sign, He's going to college.
Speaker 3: No, they drafted, Yeah, they drafted like an LSU commit
Speaker 3: in the seventeenth eighteenth round.
Speaker 1: Again, kind of irregular. They usually have a mix.
Speaker 2: This isn't quite full Angels where they took twenty pitchers
Speaker 2: in the draft a couple of years ago and no hitters.
Speaker 2: But the Mariners don't usually just go straight college. Maybe
Speaker 2: they want to replenish some of that system in the middle.
Speaker 2: I feel like you don't usually draft like that. You
Speaker 2: don't usually draft with an intention just to fill high A,
Speaker 2: double A spots. But maybe they do feel like between
Speaker 2: the group that's in the big leagues now to the
Speaker 2: group knocking on the door of Caid Sloan Lads, Arroyo,
Speaker 2: some of the younger guys that they want to replenish
Speaker 2: the system with guys that are a little bit more polished.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, I mean, I can't put a definitive explanation
Speaker 2: on this. Again, probably a cool thing to ask Joe,
Speaker 2: but it feels like maybe they're trying to bridge some
Speaker 2: of that gap because you do have a crop of
Speaker 2: guys now that are very young players down in the miners.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to go way down in
Speaker 2: the system to the really high upside guys that are
Speaker 2: extremely young, the Nicki Becker, your hair Batista fel Nein,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can go all the way down to
Speaker 2: these two ridiculous international kids. They signed it for huge
Speaker 2: money back in January. I remember between Uton, Yeah, Uton
Speaker 2: and Dala Rosa. Dala Rossa is the one they kind
Speaker 2: of swipe from the Yankees when he decommitted and didn't
Speaker 2: end up signing with the Yankees, and they spent essentially
Speaker 2: seven and a half million bucks on two players, which
Speaker 2: was unprecedented.
Speaker 1: There is a real crop of young.
Speaker 2: Prospects that are gonna be coming through the system in
Speaker 2: the next couple of years. Between all those guys combined,
Speaker 2: maybe they do want some guys that are gonna get
Speaker 2: to the big leagues a little faster that are gonna
Speaker 2: fill up their system a little bit more, and you
Speaker 2: have Reese and Brown and Taylor and some of the
Speaker 2: others that are gonna filter through the system a little quicker,
Speaker 2: and it gives you those different waves that the mariners like.
Speaker 3: Hey even think about it this way, like after a
Speaker 3: Royo and laz among position players, there's a bit of
Speaker 3: a gap to the mariner's next crop of prospects there is, and.
Speaker 1: They want to fill that.
Speaker 2: Theer's like having the waves right. There was the Logan
Speaker 2: Kelniic cal Raley wave.
Speaker 1: Then there was the Julio Kirby.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of these guys were together, but
Speaker 2: Julio Kirby, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And then there was the Miller Wu kind of wave.
Speaker 2: And then there's Cole Young and Colt Like you know,
Speaker 2: you've seen them come up in waves. You're gonna see
Speaker 2: a wave here with Cade, Sloane, laz Arroyo eventually. But
Speaker 2: you're right aside from Felnan who's in high A and
Speaker 2: probably getting close to double A. It does go a
Speaker 2: long way to the next true wave of high octane,
Speaker 2: high upside guys. Again, it's your hair Batista, it's Nicki Becker,
Speaker 2: It's Uton, it's Dala Rosa. And those guys are so
Speaker 2: young that there is a little bit of a gap
Speaker 2: in the middle.
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Speaker 3: don't we lyle gives you something to talk about, it
Speaker 3: doesn't always mean it's gonna come to fruition. So let's
Speaker 3: list out with Bob Night and go reported about the
Speaker 3: Mariners today. Bob reports the Mariners are willing to trade
Speaker 3: one of their prize starters for a back end reliever
Speaker 3: and right handed hitter, assumingly at the deadline this year,
Speaker 3: most likely Louise Castio.
Speaker 2: Well, of course it's most likely Louis Castillo. He's the
Speaker 2: most likely to be traded.
Speaker 3: And of course the Mariners would want a back end
Speaker 3: reliever in right handed hitter, and I would say, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I also want a million dollars for Christmas. There's just
Speaker 3: things that need to happen for this to go, for
Speaker 3: this report to go through. It could be very true
Speaker 3: that somebody told Bob knightingil Hey I feel like the
Speaker 3: Mariners want to acquire a bullpen arm and a right
Speaker 3: handed hitter, and man, they got so many starters.
Speaker 1: I could see them trading Castio totally. I totally could
Speaker 1: believe that. There's just so.
Speaker 3: Many things that need to happen for that to work.
Speaker 3: Number One, the Mariners need to find a team with
Speaker 3: both a back end reliever and a right handed.
Speaker 1: Hitter that they can then trade Louis Castillo. Two mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I can only think of one team, and this team
Speaker 3: is almost tied with the Mariters in the standings right now.
Speaker 2: Boston Red Sox, because you would hope to get Wilson
Speaker 2: Contreras and Garrett Whitlock.
Speaker 3: Correct, but that seems like a tosso to the Red Sox.
Speaker 3: You're like, Wow, guys, you're playing really well. Do you
Speaker 3: want to trade us two of your best players and
Speaker 3: we'll give you back our worst pitcher.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with no.
Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, Craig Breslo has never done the
Speaker 3: conventional thing.
Speaker 2: No, No, he hasn't. No, this would be pretty unconventional
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes it would, of course, there are other things
Speaker 3: that need to happen for this to go down.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. The Maritors would need to eat some.
Speaker 3: Of Louis Castillo's salary, which they have shown zero indication
Speaker 3: that they're willing to do.
Speaker 2: They're notorious for never wanting to pay money to guys
Speaker 2: who aren't on the roster.
Speaker 1: Like pay dead money.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think there's a chance that's why
Speaker 2: Luise has never been traded. I have a decent belief
Speaker 2: that part of the reason Luis Castillo has still been
Speaker 2: a Mariner is because the Mariners will not eat money
Speaker 2: for him in a trade like I think that's.
Speaker 3: Find a matching trade partner for money for monetary purposes
Speaker 3: like they did with Robbie Ray.
Speaker 2: Right where because they can't find a team to take
Speaker 2: Luise's money, it would involve them eating a decent chunk
Speaker 2: of Luise's money. And I only know how the Mariner's
Speaker 2: owners are with stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Not always great. No, may not want to eat the money,
Speaker 1: whether we like it or not.
Speaker 3: But then again, like both Garrett Whitlock and Wilson Contreras
Speaker 3: are making some money, well that money even out how
Speaker 3: much is Garrett making.
Speaker 2: Again, Well, he's a free agent, and we know he's
Speaker 2: been a really good reliever. But let's see, I know
Speaker 2: you're pulling it up right now.
Speaker 3: Garrett Whitlock this year is making seven and a half
Speaker 3: million dollars.
Speaker 2: No, he's got the two club ops. I keep forgetting that.
Speaker 2: Whitlock's got those two club options. Yeah, so he's gonna
Speaker 2: be near impossible to trade for. That's two and a
Speaker 2: half years of control.
Speaker 3: I mean, so you'd have to give up Luis Castillo
Speaker 3: and then major prospects, yeah, or at least good prospects
Speaker 3: to get a Garrett Witlock, which I mean the Mariners
Speaker 3: have never really been willing to shell out real capital
Speaker 3: for relievers.
Speaker 2: No, is there any chance they would be floating George
Speaker 2: Kirby around? Because that's how I feel like you could
Speaker 2: get something like this done.
Speaker 3: And there would be less of a concern for money.
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the problem you run into at the deadline.
Speaker 3: Could you get the maximum bidding process for George Kirby
Speaker 3: at the trade deadline? Do you are you gonna get
Speaker 3: enough teams to put their full weight forward on trading
Speaker 3: for George?
Speaker 1: I think it would take more time.
Speaker 2: That's why I feel like it's an off season thing,
Speaker 2: except there may not be much of an off season.
Speaker 3: Also for what we talked about with Monday's podcast. We
Speaker 3: talked about fixing things going into this second half. Even
Speaker 3: if you don't think George Kirby's as good of a
Speaker 3: pitcher as you want them to be and you think
Speaker 3: you can do better, does trading George Kirby make the
Speaker 3: Mariners better for the remainder of this season?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you get Wilson Kntreus and Garrett wit
Speaker 1: Lock back? Uh? You could? How does that do in
Speaker 1: the clubhouse? I mean they might not love it?
Speaker 2: You do also, it definitely wouldn't love it, sure, but
Speaker 2: you're okay. But here's the difference. Do they not love
Speaker 2: it because they think they're making the team worse or
Speaker 2: do they not like it because they're losing a friend?
Speaker 2: I understood her. Ok Uh, oh, they don't like losing
Speaker 2: a friend.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, But this is different than Kendall Grayman getting traded
Speaker 2: for your favorite Mariner of all time, Abe Toro. This
Speaker 2: is different because you traded your closer for somebody that
Speaker 2: was totally unproven when that clubhouse believed they had a
Speaker 2: chance to win, especially after coming back from eight to
Speaker 2: down against the Astros. To have the best win of
Speaker 2: the year back in twenty one. I understand why that
Speaker 2: clubhouse was pissed. Are you gonna seriously cause a riff
Speaker 2: in the clubhouse because you're getting an All Star level
Speaker 2: right handed bat and a All Star Team USA reliever.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that would be a hard sell
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: If you've got a pissed off clubhouse that's legitimately like
Speaker 2: up in flames over getting two All Stars.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't make sense to get pissed off over that.
Speaker 3: You're right, but I still think they would be whether
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 2: It's logical or how about this, You could be disappointed
Speaker 2: to lose your friend, but also acknowledge that you have
Speaker 2: a surplus of pitching and you're getting pieces in areas
Speaker 2: of need that will not be Reynolds.
Speaker 1: Both those guys will be their long term.
Speaker 3: I will say there will not if they Even if
Speaker 3: they do that, there will not be a Mariners player
Speaker 3: that goes on the record to Ryan Divish and says
Speaker 3: Jerry Depoto is playing fantasy baseball up in his suite.
Speaker 1: No, there will be none of that.
Speaker 3: I don't think it would quite yet that far.
Speaker 2: By the way, we're like three weeks away from four
Speaker 2: weeks away from seeing if Kyle Seger shows up for
Speaker 2: Mariner's fiftieth celebration.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're four weeks away from finding out. There's no way.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he like, he ain't got.
Speaker 3: I'm putting in it zero point zero zero zero one
Speaker 3: chance he shows.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think he's going. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking that's very high on the priority list
Speaker 3: for Kyle Seager.
Speaker 1: As long as you know Jerry to Potos in charge.
Speaker 3: There's another thing Bob floated in there in that article.
Speaker 3: Would you trade uh, George Kirby for James Wood or c.
Speaker 3: J Abrams for James Wood?
Speaker 2: Dude, George, I will literally like carry your bags like
Speaker 2: a pack mule to the airport, literally like not drive
Speaker 2: you to the airport.
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 2: I will put your suitcases on my back and crawl
Speaker 2: to the airport for James Wood.
Speaker 3: Will walk the four h five all the way down
Speaker 3: to SeaTac.
Speaker 1: Just for you. Would I mean would you? Yeah? Oh
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Now the Nationals aren't gonna do that because if they
Speaker 2: were to actually trade James Wood, like Nightingale reported, well
Speaker 2: what he reported is this offseason they put they apparently
Speaker 2: made both James Wood and CJ. Abrams available on the market. Now,
Speaker 2: nothing happened. But if you're the Nationals and you're trying
Speaker 2: to make that trade, you're trying to totally replenish except
Speaker 2: this first version of the rebuild did not work, and
Speaker 2: get an absolute king's ransom back from You're not taking
Speaker 2: two and a half years of George Kirby for James Wood,
Speaker 2: who legit has four and a half year as a
Speaker 2: team control. If you're trading for j If you're trading
Speaker 2: for James Wood, you're giving up a king's ransom of
Speaker 2: a prospect package.
Speaker 3: You're giving up Ryan Sloan or Kate Anderson or both.
Speaker 3: If that's what it took. I mean the Mariners wouldn't
Speaker 3: trade both. It would cost at least one of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be one of those two guys.
Speaker 2: They probably, I mean they might ask for those one
Speaker 2: of those two guys and cult yeah.
Speaker 1: They might have for one of the Mariners young infielders.
Speaker 2: So one of the Mariners young infielders, one of the
Speaker 2: Mariners two pitching prospects.
Speaker 3: You get picking a laz or in Arroyo, and it
Speaker 3: might go farther than that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're getting into.
Speaker 2: A point where I mean maybe maybe felmin or Luke
Speaker 2: Stevenson has to get thrown in there too, So it's
Speaker 2: a huge trade. James Wood's also one of the best
Speaker 2: hitters in Major League Baseball who's like twenty five years
Speaker 2: old with four and a half years.
Speaker 3: Of control, doesn't have platoon splits.
Speaker 1: Oh no, James Wood crush his lefties.
Speaker 2: He is better against righty's, but he's got a nine
Speaker 2: hundred ops against lefties, So that.
Speaker 3: If you were hoping the Mariners would trade George Kirby
Speaker 3: for James Wood, yeah, that's probably not gonna happen. I
Speaker 3: do think that's interesting for the Nationals. So they did
Speaker 3: make Wood, Abrams, and Gore all available, but they only
Speaker 3: got a package they liked for Gore.
Speaker 2: They probably wanted a little bit more for Abrams because
Speaker 2: he has had years where he's been a four or
Speaker 2: five win shortstop. But again, the idea of putting Wood
Speaker 2: out on the mark it is if we are absolutely
Speaker 2: jaw on the floor blown away by a package, then okay. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: James Wood got four and a half years a control man,
Speaker 2: and also again lightingal Bob Nightingale doesn't always get these
Speaker 2: things right, So that's his report.
Speaker 1: We don't know, we don't know how much truth there
Speaker 1: is to it.
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't hold out hope that the Mariners are
Speaker 3: training for James with this deadline. That'll be fun, a
Speaker 3: cool story. I don't see that happening. Now we do
Speaker 3: see happening. The Mariners will make some sort of transaction.
Speaker 3: We are going to try and keep all of our
Speaker 3: options open. I think we're due for another trade deadline
Speaker 3: preview episode of other options available when we are both
Speaker 3: back Comfy and Seattle. Maybe that'll be next Friday's episode,
Speaker 3: So a week from this upcoming Friday.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, and that'll be like a week from
Speaker 1: the deadline. So yeah, why not? That would be good.
Speaker 3: Well, at that point last year Low they'd already traded
Speaker 3: for Josh Naylor. No, a week away from the deadline
Speaker 3: of four.
Speaker 2: Days, it was like four or five days, Like they
Speaker 2: jumped the market early with Naylor and then they got
Speaker 2: Geno late.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: So well, and I'll conclude our trip here in Philadelphia
Speaker 3: and we will have more.
Speaker 1: Great trade deadline content for you as we come up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll have a good episode on Friday. We'll
Speaker 2: recap some All Star week. We're probably gonna preview the
Speaker 2: second half. If any other news comes into play, we'll
Speaker 2: talk about that. There's any storylines in the next few days,
Speaker 2: we can hash that out like there will be news
Speaker 2: on Friday, and there'll be a good podcast on Friday,
Speaker 2: so stay tuned for that. It will be our final
Speaker 2: episode from Philadelphia. From the hotel Room, which a lot
Speaker 2: of you seem to like back when we were in Denver.
Speaker 2: We're doing it again here in Philly.
Speaker 1: So where's my bed?
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Speaker 1: Interesting shame, how sad?
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