1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huts. Giants out 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: on the Giants mobul give me some job. Part of 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: the Giants podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: Let's roll. Welcome to another edition of the Johnsonto Podcast, 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens, the Official bank of the Giants. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: I am John Schmelk very special guest today. I'm excited 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: about this one. The head coach of the ole Miss 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: Rebels Link Kiffen. Now, of course he had Jackson Dart 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: down there at ole Miss for a long time player 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: that put up ridiculous numbers, won a lot of games. 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: And of course lank Kiffin's been in the NFL running offenses, 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: coaching quarterbacks, so he knows what it's like for a 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 2: quarterback to make that jump. 14 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: We'll talk about all that. 15 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: And more with link Kiffen, and now we're joined by 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: the head coach of the ole Miss Rebels, lank Kiffin. 17 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: Coach, thanks so much for the time. How are you. 18 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 3: Today, great John? Thanks for having me. 19 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we had Jackson here. 20 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: I had a chance to interact with a bunch one 21 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: on one and in a press conference environment. And the 22 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: first thing I said when I talked to him for 23 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: the first time is man This kid is like captain Charisma. 24 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: He just knows how to connect with everybody. Was he 25 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: like that the moment he walked in into your building 26 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: as well? Or is that something that you saw develop 27 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: as he you know, matured into a man in your 28 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 2: program at all Miss. 29 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's three years here. 30 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 4: He matured into that and developed that, and you also 31 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: gained confidence, you know, once you're the full time starter 32 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: and you're doing really well. So but he has an 33 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: amazing impact on people offense, defense, special teams, media, coaches, kids, 34 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 4: He's he's just a really great person. 35 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: How did he develop as a leader? 36 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: Did he learn from maybe some of the upperclassmen on 37 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: your auster when he got there? Is that something that 38 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: was just kind of inside of him? Is that something 39 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: you worked with him on how to become a leader, 40 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: because you talked to his teammates from all Miss, even 41 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: the guys on defense, and they all identified him as 42 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: the leader of the team. 43 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 4: Well, I think by example, the way that he worked, 44 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: the way he studied, the way he played, you know, 45 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: early on when they would see him, you know, run 46 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 4: over a linebacker and the style that he played with 47 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: really won his team over. 48 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: And you really can't fool the locker room, right, either 49 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: the guy has it or they can't. You can't force 50 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: someone into that leadership role. He's going to be accepted 51 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: into that naturally, just based on how he plays and 52 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: how he relates to his guys, right, Yeah. 53 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: He does. 54 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: He does a great job of that and doesn't come 55 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: in and just try to force it on him. Like 56 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: I said, by example, and he's a great listener to players, 57 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: spends a lot of invests a lot of time with them. 58 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was talking to us too about in terms 59 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: of how you talk about leading by example, that he 60 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: can be a vocal guy too, where if things aren't 61 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: going well, you know, he'll be vocal, he'll get into 62 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: somebody's face, he'll he'll be on his teammates in the 63 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: islne to make sure things are going right. How did 64 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: you find he kind of struck that balance of being 65 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: that forceful leader but you know, maybe not being over 66 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: the top. 67 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: Well, I think he's got great parents, great family. Was 68 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: really he's really well and so he just and he 69 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 4: has really good awareness too. He's got he reads rooms 70 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: really well, reads people really well. So he just he 71 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: really got the complete package. 72 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: You men, his willingness to run over linebackers, and you 73 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: see that on tape, like he could just step out 74 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: of bounds and he chooses to get a field. 75 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: To try to gain three or four more yards. 76 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: As a coach, how much do you lean into that 77 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: competitiveness because that's the core part of who he is 78 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: and what makes him great, but also at the same 79 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: time making sure he's protecting himself as the most important 80 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: player on your team as your starting quarterback. 81 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, we worked with him a lot on that, and 82 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 4: you know that takes some time to get out of him, 83 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: and you know it'll still show up once in a while, 84 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: but he's he's learned to play smarter. 85 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: How does he learn? 86 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: You know, when you introduce a new concept to him 87 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: and see a guy that can figure it out when 88 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: he sees it, you know, on the board in the 89 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: meeting room, or does he need to go rep it 90 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: on the field a couple of times? What's his learning 91 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 2: process when you throw a new concept on offense to him. 92 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: He really is a quick learner, really can see everything, 93 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: can chunk information, and if he is struggling with something, 94 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: he's going to find a way. He's gonna stay after 95 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: he's gonna do whatever it takes. 96 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: When we went through you know, his last sea in, 97 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: you know, and we were watching a lot of the 98 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: old twenty two, it looks like you were very willing 99 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: to give him more and more as your offense expanded 100 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: over the course of the year. How did you know, coach, 101 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: when he was ready to take on more so he 102 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: could do more on your offense. 103 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 4: Well, we just knew that he had continued to improve. 104 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 4: He was always up here, and so I think that 105 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 4: it was great too that, you know, this was our 106 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 4: first year of having the helmet communication with him, and 107 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 4: I think for some that can be too much information 108 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: because we're chunking him in a lot of information, you know, 109 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 4: and most of our players are snapped before fifteen, so 110 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: he's getting a lot of information right after the snap, 111 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: and he was. 112 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: He was great with that. 113 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: John Total Podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the 114 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: official bank of the Giants. 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That actually 125 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: leads me to my question. 126 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: How did you guys handle like protection changes or play 127 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: changes of the line if you get a different look. 128 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: Was that done through the communication to your point, or 129 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: did he have freedom when those communicators get shut off 130 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: where he could change a protection change of play based 131 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,679 Speaker 2: on what the defense was showing him both. 132 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: You know, there are times he had to a lot too, 133 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: because you know, sometimes you'd go under fifteen, and so 134 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: he was fully prepared for that and did an amazing. 135 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: Job of that. 136 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: Is that something that he got better at as he 137 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: went along? 138 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that takes a little practice, But we 139 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: did that in scrimmages and throughout spring and stuff, and 140 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 4: he just picks up on everything so quick. 141 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: Was he a guy that controlled the protections was at 142 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: the center? Did they kind of work it together? How 143 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: did that work in terms of him working with the 144 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: old line to get those protections right. 145 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, the center starts that, but then he can override 146 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: that and he can make a lot of changes. 147 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: That makes sense. It looked like talking to Jackson. 148 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: I did a one on one with him about three 149 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: days ago now, and he said that look, first three 150 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: days with the Giants, it was a lot, a lot 151 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: of information, the verbage a little bit different, but all 152 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: of the main concepts that the Giants have in their offense, 153 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: and there's a passing concepts the stuff that he did 154 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: with you at all, Miss as someone that had a 155 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: lot of experience in the NFL, what do you think 156 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: the biggest adjustment is going to be for him just 157 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: from learning the schematics of NFL offense? Again, he used 158 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: to you know that NFL style of play. What's going 159 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: to be the biggest adjustment for Jackson going from your 160 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: program to the Giants. 161 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: Well, I just think the the mass volume. You know, 162 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 4: we simpled down a little bit in college because of 163 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 4: not because of him, but because of the other players. 164 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 4: So I just think up there usually they just have 165 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 4: so much, so much information in their playbook and so 166 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 4: many plays and stuff involved in cadences and everything. 167 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 168 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: I was talking to Jameis Winston the same day I 169 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: talked to Jackson. He's been the league what like nine 170 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: years now, and he said to me, man, this offense, 171 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: so there is more memorization, one word plays, you know, 172 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: one word adjustment stuff that a quarterback has to memorize. 173 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: You don't think Jackson's gonna have any ability trying to 174 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: absorb and just remember all those different types of adjustments 175 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: that you have in the more complex scheme. 176 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: No, I think he'll be He'll be phenomen. 177 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: That's awesome when you had Jackson there in clutch situations 178 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: like weed, Eli Manning here, and he was a guy 179 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: that was always the same right. He was just a 180 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: straight line no matter what the situation. He was calm, 181 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: cool and collective. Is Jackson a guy that gets a 182 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: little jacked up in those spots I feel like, you know, 183 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: Tom Brady maybe something somebody that that that kind of 184 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: got like, you know, very pumped up. Or Is Jackson 185 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: a guy that kind of keeps that calm, medium level 186 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: even in the biggest spots and in some of these games. 187 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: No, I think there's a lot of Eli in there, like, 188 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: but then he has that is you know, I would 189 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: say his dad and him, you know, the defensive personality 190 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 4: and him you know where it takes over a little 191 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: bit and he gets a little aggressive, but in the 192 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: most time throughout the weekend stuff, he's very calm. 193 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: You talked about your offense, and now you know you 194 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: did things a certain wave because of the other players. 195 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: And if I'm framing this question wrong as someone that 196 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: doesn't know a tenth of the offensive football as you do, 197 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: please you could address it any way you want. When 198 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: you did your offense, was it mostly was it full 199 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: progression reads? Was it kind of all right, Well, if 200 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: it's zone, you're going to the left, if it's man, 201 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: you're going to the right. How was he generally asked 202 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: to kind of read things out over the course of 203 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: these games or was it really just dependent on the 204 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: play and the type of defense who are playing that week. 205 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a lot of stuff, a lot of 206 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: different types of reads, whether it's linebackers, whether it's you know, safeties, 207 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 4: whether it's two high one high quick quick reads because 208 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: they're rpoing. So he's kind of done it all. 209 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: You know. 210 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: The one thing that jumped out of me and I 211 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: saw it on tape and I've seen it in practice. 212 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: I've been to you know, all ota mini camp practice 213 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: that he's done with the giants. His ability to put 214 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: touch on the ball and get the ball like just 215 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: over that first level defender to his receiver you know, 216 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 2: who's maybe layered in between the linebackers in the safeties 217 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: that touches that something that was kind of innate to 218 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: him when he got there, or is that something that 219 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: you helped develop in him to be able to layer 220 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: the football and throw a real catchable ball with touch 221 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: to his receivers and that intermediate level of the field. 222 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's worked on that. He was good, but he 223 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 4: became great at it through a lot of work and 224 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 4: a lot of reps. You know, he just put so 225 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 4: much energy into it. Joe Judge was here for last 226 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: year with him and spent a lot of time with 227 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 4: him working on drills and stuff also. 228 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: And the other thing too, that and this is more 229 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: of an advanced concept in terms of quarterbacks and times 230 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: that takes quarterbacks, and they never figured out otherwise it 231 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: takes some time. He's already thrown a couple really nice 232 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: back shoulder throws in practice where you know, coach, you know, 233 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: that's just a lot of timing with the wide receiver. 234 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: Is I know that's a big part of your offense. Too. 235 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: Does he do a really nice job of kind of 236 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: trying to build that chemistry with the receivers on the side, 237 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 2: so you can do those types of field plays where 238 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: you're kind of just reading off what the defense is 239 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: given you and they have to be timed up perfectly 240 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: on some of those back shoulder looks. 241 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's just a lot of chemistry and 242 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 4: a lot of them working with it. He's got great 243 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 4: touch on that throw and when to throw it and 244 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 4: how to anticipate it. But he'll continue to get better 245 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 4: that with the individual player. 246 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 3: You know. 247 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: Pocket presence, That's something I think that also jumped out 248 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: of me, and I've seen it in practice again. 249 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: You know, I think some. 250 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: Quarterbacks sometimes at the tendency to, especially the younger ones, 251 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: run backwards and away from the line of scrimmage. I 252 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: always felt like watching Jackson that he would step up 253 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: and through towards the line of scrimmage. How did you 254 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: go about trying to teach that pocket presence or is 255 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 2: that something that kind of came naturally to him. 256 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 4: We work on a lot, you know, we work on 257 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 4: vertical scrambles and move in in the pocket and not 258 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 4: going backwards, so and he's really good at. 259 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: It once he's moving. 260 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: Obviously, quarterback scrambles if you look at like you know, 261 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 2: things like EPA, it's it's it's it's one of the 262 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: most valuable plays you can have. How did you teach 263 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: him once he started to move up in the pocket 264 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: in terms of keeping his eyes up? You know, how 265 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: quickly was he supposed to go to you know, get 266 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: rid of the ball or you know, did he get 267 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: the third and four threads? You know, how how big 268 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: of a part of your offense and how much would 269 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: you encourage or discourage the quarterback scram one running part 270 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: of the game for him? 271 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is huge, like you said, you know, the 272 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 4: ability to make plays scraming, especially third and fourth downs, 273 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: you know, drive is huge and he needed a great 274 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 4: job at that. 275 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: Hoddle up, get in here. 276 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 277 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: middle with at the score great. 278 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: How do we make that happen? 279 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, but Tennison does makes sense of your 280 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 4: money with citizens official Bank of Eli Manning. 281 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I guess how was his ability to 282 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, we talk about the running, how about his 283 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: ability to kind of you know, scramble buy more time 284 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: to throw. How was he able to kind of create 285 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: plays and work with his wide receivers to to almost 286 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: run those run that secondary route tore you right after 287 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 2: the first concept is done, maybe he gets flushed out 288 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: of the pocket and then you know, receivers are doing 289 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: other things by feel with the quarterback and he's trying 290 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: to make that playoff schedule. 291 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, he really There's a lot of scrambling early on, 292 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 4: you know, the first year, and then he really started 293 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: to keep his eyes downfield and create plays, live, stay 294 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 4: behind line of scrimmage and create big plays, which he 295 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: did a lot, including in the last Bowl game. 296 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 2: How do you think he's going to handle kind of 297 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: the big pressure of New York market, new York media, 298 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: things like that. 299 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 4: He'll be great. You know, he tests really well on 300 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 4: we have different tests that kind of tell you that 301 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: judgment index tests and he's elite. 302 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 2: I'm curious to get your opinion as a coach because 303 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: the Giants, you know, he's probably not going to start 304 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: the year as the starter is probably gonna be Russell Wilson, 305 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: and then Brian Dable and Mike Kafkin Shae Tierney are 306 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: going to work with him behind the scenes, How do 307 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: you think they're going to have a good feel for 308 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: when Jackson is ready? Even though maybe he's not getting 309 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: a ton of reps in practice, he's not getting a 310 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: ton of reps in games. How do you think they're 311 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: going to know when Jackson is ready to take on 312 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: that starting role on the NFL whenever that might happen. 313 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. That's more for them. 314 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, how's the season going, how's the rest 315 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: of the team playing around him? 316 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: You know, to figure that out? 317 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I was just wondering because obviously, as someone 318 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: that that coaches offense, coaches coaches quarterbacks, is there stuff 319 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 2: in the meeting room or when they're doing scout team 320 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: reps that you really watch for a look for from 321 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: your perspective when you have a young quarterback in your program, 322 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: to try to figure out when you think they're ready 323 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: to play. 324 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just try to put them in the 325 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 4: most pressure situations that we can and speed things up 326 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 4: and a lot of good on good you know, just 327 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: try to figure it out. 328 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: You guys have preseason games. 329 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: That helps, Yeah, absolutely, and I think that'll be that'll 330 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 2: be big for him for sure. What were some of 331 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: his favorite concepts to run, you know, his his kind 332 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: of go to throws in big spots that you would 333 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 2: try to scheme up from on those big third downs 334 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: that he was most comfortable throwing. 335 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: Well, I thought he just got really comfortable with players. 336 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: He was very comfortable with Trey Harris until he got hurt, 337 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 4: which really I think would have been amazing what the 338 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 4: numbers they would have put together as you look at 339 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 4: what they were doing prior to injury and record setting things. 340 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 4: And then he got really good with his tight end. 341 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: So he just has a really good feel for things 342 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 4: and how his players are going to move around in 343 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: man end zone. 344 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: So it seems like he's able to really connect with 345 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: his players and get good individual fears for the guy. 346 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: So it's more about getting a feel for the players 347 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: than may be necessarily the place. 348 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he does a great job. 349 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: I spend so much extra time with them weekends and 350 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 4: off season and everything right coaching. 351 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: Then finally, how about Jackson off the field. We've talked 352 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: a lot of it as a football player, a leader 353 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: in the locker room. What kind of person and guy 354 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: are the Giants adding to the North Jersey and New 355 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: York community. Here that is hopefully is here for a 356 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: real long time. 357 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 358 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: He just really engaged with the community, with the people, 359 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 4: invest in people and time, and it's really old school 360 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: that way. 361 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: It's awesome. 362 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: I finally, and then any just anecdotes or stories that 363 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: you have, you know, when you got them to come, 364 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: when you recruited him, when he transferred, or the time 365 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: you kind of had from that, you think kind of 366 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: defines the type of personal player that Jackson is. 367 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 368 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: I think he he you know, is interesting. He took 369 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: a long time to commit, you know, and kept like 370 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: kind of like weighing things out and everything. I started saying, well, man, 371 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: our quarterback needs a little more decisive is going to 372 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 4: be a good quarterback, And so I always joked that 373 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 4: I read that wrong, you know, because he's very decisive 374 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: as a player. 375 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, coach, thank you so much for the time we appreciated, 376 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: good luck and what's going to be a loaded sec. 377 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: You got one of the most talented teams in college football. 378 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: We wish you luck. Thanks so much of the time. 379 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: And I'll say added Jackson for when they come back 380 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: in July. All right, thanks John, that's the head coach 381 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: of all miss Lane Kiffin, and they're always busy, you know, 382 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: these college programs. You know, we got a month here 383 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,239 Speaker 2: in the NFL where things kind of shut down. They're recruiting, 384 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: they're doing summer in spring practices, and it's not merely 385 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: as many rules in terms of when they can work 386 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: with these guys and when they can't. So it's always 387 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: really tough getting these guys to give us some time. 388 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: And it was pretty odd that that coach Kiffin was 389 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: pretty excited about Jackson. He's a huge fan of his 390 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: and it was just good to talk to him and 391 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: kind of get some insight into what he had to 392 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: do in college and you know how that might translate 393 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: to the NFL level. And it was great to get 394 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: that insight from Coach Kiffin. And we thank all miss 395 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: for setting that up. That really was fantastic, and we 396 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: thanked him for the time doing that interview. 397 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. That's all the time me after 398 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: the Giants. 399 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: Little Podcast brought to you by Citizens, the Official Bank 400 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: of the Giants. 401 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being with us, everybody. We will 402 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: see you next time.