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Speaker 2: It's a lot of stuff you're going to have to

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Speaker 2: is no shortcut to success. Hard work is the key

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Speaker 2: to success. Relationships are the key to success. Being nice

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Speaker 3: All right, So Michael Strahan, when we thought of this show,

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Speaker 3: he's like epicenter.

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Speaker 1: Who is he to you? I mean, he's a good friend.

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Speaker 4: He's someone that I've admired for over two decades and

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Speaker 4: sometimes I feel and I've asked him to this is

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Speaker 4: there like three or four Michael Strahan's crazy.

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Speaker 1: He does so much. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think we should lose sight

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Speaker 3: of the fact that you guys have had these parallel lies.

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Speaker 1: And the New York of it all.

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Speaker 3: You know, you came to it maybe with a little

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Speaker 3: this is all he ever knew. He was like, this

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Speaker 3: is just what it is to be an athlete. But man,

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Speaker 3: did it set him up for the ubiquity that you

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Speaker 4: The parallels are kind of strange. I mean, right, we

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Speaker 4: were both drafted in ninety three. He won a championship

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Speaker 4: with the football team Giants in New York. We want

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Speaker 4: to know nine, Yeah, and then he's taking his world

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Speaker 4: to the world of media and now business and we

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Speaker 3: I mean, it really was fun to kind of hear

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Speaker 3: him talk about all the stuff, you know, like he

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Speaker 1: I mean, the other interesting thing to.

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Speaker 3: Constance Schwartz Marini. They created Smack and that has really

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Speaker 4: Done it together and look like me, he comes from

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Speaker 4: a world of team and he never used the word

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Speaker 4: I really think that with all the great things that

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Speaker 3: On this episode of the Deal. Michael Strahan. All right,

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Speaker 3: so as we get started, introduce yourself.

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Speaker 1: Michael Strahan. I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm an old retired football player fifteen years here in

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Speaker 2: New York City. I played for the New York Giants.

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Speaker 2: Since retirement, I've gone on to be an entrepreneur, several businesses,

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Speaker 2: but hard work for life. And I'm a father. My

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Speaker 2: best achievement right there. And that's about it.

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Speaker 1: World about that.

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Speaker 3: So let's start there. Let's start with the world champion

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Speaker 3: of it all, but also the New York of it all, because,

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Speaker 1: Of it for both of you. What is New York

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Speaker 2: I have only known New York. And I was just

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Speaker 2: I didn't know any better. I came here from Texas

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Speaker 4: I'm interested to know because I haven't even thought about

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Speaker 4: Champion versus not winning that title.

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Speaker 1: Is there a difference you think, Hey.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, Charles, it's the best.

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Speaker 2: we won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Good to meet you. You know what.

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Speaker 2: But now you're off my list, he said, I'm even

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Speaker 2: I gave it everything I had because I didn't want

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Speaker 2: I had no regrets but to win it in the

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Speaker 2: year fifteen completely changed the perception that people have with you.

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Speaker 1: The wait, did they look at you? It's almost that

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Speaker 2: And I didn't realize it until we won, and then

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Speaker 1: Does that resonate with you, oh, without a question.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I don't know about Michael, But for me,

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Speaker 4: I grew up watching Dan Marina in Miami, and every

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Speaker 4: Winning in nine as a New York Yankee in this city,

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Speaker 4: everything changed. I mean, to this day, Michael and I

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Speaker 4: guarantee happens with Michael. Firefighters, teachers, thank you for the championship, fathers,

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Speaker 1: Isn't that funny?

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Speaker 1: It really worked out well. I am very thankful, as

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Speaker 3: Me, and so what does it do for you as

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Speaker 1: I couldn't have been even better.

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Speaker 3: In the sense that like it it launches you and

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Speaker 2: It completely opens doors that you know, some doors obviously

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Speaker 2: that's what it's like when you win a super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: when you walk into the room and it's like you

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Speaker 4: I was so disappointed when he retired because I wanted

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Speaker 4: And I just thought it was courageous, bold and smart

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Speaker 3: And so when you choose that timing is that a

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Speaker 2: I think it was just a for me. It was

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Speaker 2: Myself to love practice, like to put on that equipment

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Speaker 2: I had my thumb repaired, had a risk scope. Outside

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Speaker 2: of that fifteen years, I never blew out my knees

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Speaker 2: I banged up everything, but I felt great. I didn't

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Speaker 2: what else was there for me to accomplish. I'd done everyone,

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Speaker 2: every other award, the individual or team misel. That was it,

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Speaker 2: and I realized my heart wasn't in it anymore.

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Speaker 4: of the great speeches you had, and all that to

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Speaker 1: And you really want to know?

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Speaker 3: York of it all, you know, so it's New York

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Speaker 3: Championship Hall of Fame the read's moment. Does New York

440
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Speaker 3: give you the confidence.

441
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Speaker 1: Kind of learned to? I don't know how do I

442
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: put it.

443
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: Just do what I do and trust myself and not

444
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: worry about the opinion of others. I think that really

445
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: helped me when it came to like doing things here

446
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 2: in New York. But that was hard because I was

447
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 2: shy when I got here. Here you're forced out of

448
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 2: a shell. But I had to find my rhythm of

449
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 2: who I was and who I was comfortable in being

450
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 2: and being in front of the camera.

451
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Speaker 1: Care me.

452
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm more shy away from the camera. Away from the camera,

453
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Speaker 2: I don't know people or whatever I'm going to quiet

454
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 2: I gun, yeah, sit in the back. I observed. I'm

455
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 2: cool with that. I don't need to walk in the

456
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: restaurant and everybody know I'm there. You know, I'm very

457
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,719
Speaker 2: comfortable in my own little world of you know, non celebrity.

458
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 2: More chill seems to be an easier way of life

459
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 2: that I prefer.

460
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Speaker 3: Was that shocking to you when you got here New York?

461
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I remember.

462
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Speaker 1: I'm coming reallytle man, you want to talk illustrated at

463
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Speaker 1: like three years old.

464
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Speaker 4: It's almost like when they say you really don't know.

465
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 4: You think you're gonna take a punch until Mike Tyson

466
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 4: hits you and connection. That's New York, especially when things

467
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 4: are not going well, because the pilot on is pretty

468
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 4: strong and you just can't run away from it, and

469
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 4: you just have the Yankees, like the Giants, big big brands,

470
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 4: enormous fan base with legacy brands, and it comes out

471
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 4: here pretty good.

472
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Speaker 2: I remember, I remember Alex, and I reached out to

473
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Speaker 2: you about this like one day. Oh my god, Alex

474
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: Rodriguez is the greatest thing the Yankees have ever done,

475
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: knocking home run. Then he has one game that isn't great.

476
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: I know, he's busting his butt. It's the same guy

477
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 2: he said was great yesterday to the next day, Oh

478
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: why did the Yankees do this? Alec he got it.

479
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: Then the next day he hits the home run. He's

480
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: the greatest, And I remember reaching out and said, you

481
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: know what, just keep doing what you're doing like you

482
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: can't pay attention to that, because the bottom line is

483
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: what really helped me. I stopped letting people criticize me

484
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 2: who could not do my job? How are you telling

485
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 2: me how to do my job? And you could never

486
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: do this job. You've never done it. As I told

487
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 2: one reporter, the last time you put up on a

488
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: uniform is when your mom took you trigger treating. You've

489
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: never done that. So why am I letting you affect

490
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: me in what I do for a living? And that

491
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: really helped me this guy, So now I don't care

492
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Speaker 2: if you can't do what I do? Why am I

493
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: listening to you telling me? Just like asking somebody for

494
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: an answer, and then you got to go ask ten

495
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: other people if I could reach the person who's gonna

496
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: give me the answer while I'm I asking you. I

497
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: just don't subscribe to that anymore. But it takes a

498
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: lot of getting beat up to finally get fed up

499
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: enough to realize that, hey, I'm gonna do what I

500
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: need to do.

501
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Speaker 1: I don't care.

502
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Speaker 3: When we come back, we talk about Michael's transition from

503
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 3: winning a Super Bowl to life after football. Plus the

504
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 3: influence of his mentor and business partner, Constance Schwartz Marini,

505
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: and what comes next for their partnership. You mentioned something

506
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: that I think is really important, and Alex alluded to

507
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: it feels like everything you've done in apparel jac Penny

508
00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: Men's Warehouse, this is not with you know, apology to

509
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: those high high high end brands or Mes or whoever.

510
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: Like that's a conscious decision. It feels like those partnerships

511
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 3: tell us.

512
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: More about it because it's me. I think we do.

513
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 2: Everything I do is authentic, right. I don't do anything

514
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: that does not fit me. I don't wear a suit

515
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: that I don't make. I don't like our fabric. I

516
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: would touch every tie, every shirt that we'd make just

517
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: to make sure was what I would wear. I don't

518
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: want to have a customer come up to me or

519
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 2: someone and say, well, you know, I bought this and

520
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: it's not what you said it was going to be.

521
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm wearing the same thing. Hey, yeah,

522
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: check this out and trust me. I have a great

523
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: appreciation for a Mas and all the other sure brands.

524
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: Trust me, I really do. But I just think that

525
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 2: I know what I'm comfortable with. Yeah, and what I'm

526
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: comfortable with. I feel like, you know, they's a big

527
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: part of America that would be comfortable with that as well.

528
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 2: But it's also about making sure that people have what

529
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: they want, look a certain way that they want to look,

530
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: feel a certain way that they want to feel. Because

531
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Speaker 2: I'm a big believer that the way you dress, you know,

532
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: to a confidence booster, a builder. It's something that they

533
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: can afford to do, and it's something can afford to

534
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: do for your kids instead of you know, the world's

535
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: expensive enough and I do my best not to add

536
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: to that.

537
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: So how do those deals come about?

538
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 3: Like what's the origin of, you know, getting into the

539
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: the apparel?

540
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: Their origin was we literally I was wearing suits every day.

541
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: I'm one Live then I was on NFL, so six

542
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: days a week, I am literally in a suit. And

543
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: we went over to Peerless, the suit manufacturing company, and said, hey,

544
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: got this idea, when do you a suit line? When

545
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: do something that's authentic to me? And to be honest

546
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 2: with you, it didn't have a big budget to do

547
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: it for the show, so why not make our own stuff?

548
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: And Peerless brought in JC Penny and we sat down

549
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: in a meeting and said, hey, this is the idea

550
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: what we have and if we want to partner with

551
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: you guys, if you'll be interested. And one of the

552
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: reasons I think that they jumped on it immediately was one,

553
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Speaker 2: I think the audience that I had built from fo

554
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: ball to live. But two, when we were in that

555
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: pitch and I was in there with my partner, Confidence Worts,

556
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: who I called the boss, but I pitched it.

557
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: I didn't sit.

558
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: There and let her team pitch it, Like I said,

559
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: this is what we have, this is what we're doing,

560
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 2: these are our thoughts behind it, this is why we

561
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: believe it's gonna work. And when I got done, I said, Confidence,

562
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: you have anything to say. She literally was like she

563
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: was crying. I'm like, I'm in my head, I'm going

564
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: not now, not now.

565
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: She's like the teacher, the pupil, and the teacher. Now

566
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: the pupil, the teacher, Like I pay attention, I know

567
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: what's going on.

568
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: But it was just in a real moment, and they

569
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: said yeah, because they saw the passion I had it

570
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: behind it. I just wasn't gonna say put my name

571
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: on it, put my face on it, anlet it then

572
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: just throw it out there and they say yes in

573
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: the meeting. And we've been a big success at JC

574
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: Penny expanded the men's warehouse and it has been an

575
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Speaker 2: incredible nine years.

576
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Speaker 3: And so what is the process? I mean, you know,

577
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: apparel has been something you invest in. Tell us about skincare, like,

578
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: how do these things bubble up?

579
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: Well, believe it or not. I do wear a little

580
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: makeup on TV. May have a little bit on right now,

581
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: I knows. But with those things like cleaning your skin,

582
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: I think skin is like an outfit. It's about your confidence.

583
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: It's that outward appearance means a lot. But we realize

584
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: that a lot of men don't really do anything else

585
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: tide of taking face soap, letting the water run over

586
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: their face and go okay, I'm good, and not just

587
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: not enough as far as long term skincare. So we

588
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: kind of came up with a very easy system that

589
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: the very easy steps take you long to take.

590
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: You to brush your.

591
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Teeth and you can take care of your skin. And

592
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 2: that was important because I need to do that.

593
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: So listening to you talk and you know, I've watched

594
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: this guy now for a few years, do this too?

595
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: Feels like you like the deal?

596
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: Making I do what is it because it's competitive and

597
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 2: it's kind of I love the teamwork part of it,

598
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. I love to see other

599
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: people on the team like have something they're passionate about

600
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: and excel at it. I love being a part of

601
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: a team and like bringing people together and watching everything

602
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: grow and watching them grow in the process.

603
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 4: So so Jason, as we were prepping for Michael and

604
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: Constants on this podcast, everyone asks me, tell me about Michael,

605
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 4: Tell me about Michael. I said the same thing about

606
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: Michael that I do about Irving Magic Johnson. And what

607
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: I say about Irving is like, he's exactly who he

608
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 4: is camera on off. You text Michael as busy as

609
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: he is or email him, you're going to get something back,

610
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: usually within an hour or two. Even if he's busy,

611
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: he's like, hey, i'll call you at the end of

612
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 4: the day. I'm running around. And that's the reason why

613
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: when it comes to reputation and building businesses, he understands

614
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: that part, which I do think some of our colleagues

615
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: forget that a little bit because they haven't practiced that

616
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: type of behavior, so you know.

617
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Speaker 1: But it's a learned behavior.

618
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: I can get to learn and like, for me, I

619
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: just want to be the same. Consistency to me is

620
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: a big thing. Consistency.

621
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Speaker 1: But and Magic's done an incredible job.

622
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: And Magic as our mentor, right, he's the king, right,

623
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: we're following his footstets. But Jason, you appreciate this. When

624
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: I retired in sixteen, one of my first calls when

625
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: I joined Fox was Michael and I said, Michael, I'm

626
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: gonna need your help. I'm going to lean in and

627
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: he gave me just simple but great advice, right, And

628
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: I think he said, Okay, I'm going to help your

629
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: meet it. You got to help me in business? Yeah, exactly,

630
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: And now he doesn't need anybody to help you know what.

631
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Speaker 2: I think this is the interesting thing is speaking of Magic.

632
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: I heard about Magic. I heard this last night as well,

633
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: that when Magic was playing for the Lakers, Jerry Buss

634
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: kind of took him on his wing, obviously, but Magic

635
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: got the telephone number of everybody sat in the front

636
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: row of this arena and personally called each and every

637
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: one of them to ask them, like, what did they

638
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: do so that they can basically get fourth those seats

639
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: at the Lakers and really built relationships and He was

640
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: the first athlete I think who and Jerry Buss was

641
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: one of the owners who I guess was that open

642
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: because I think back in today, I don't think ownership

643
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: with as open as they are now to helping guide

644
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: in business or being in business with guys. But Magic

645
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: was the one who kind of showed that there's more

646
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: than one side to an athlete. That's what we do

647
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: at this moment. I was thirty six when I retired.

648
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: What did I do?

649
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: I could have moved to Florida and played golf all

650
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: day like my buddies and did nothing else. But I

651
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: can't imagine that life like you're too young. You have

652
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: so much more to give, and that sports was just

653
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: one small part of your life.

654
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: And so speaking of Fox, Alex, I mean, I think

655
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: that first of all, it's a commonality as you mentioned,

656
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: the willingness, the ability, and the decision to stay close

657
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: to the game in that way. I know you've done it, Alex.

658
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: Where does that come from?

659
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: For you?

660
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: Football is like one of some of the best memories

661
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: of my life. I mean, and I love to me

662
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: doing the Fox NFL Show and being there with the

663
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: guys on set.

664
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: It's my highlight.

665
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: Of my week and I fly cross country every week

666
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: for it, and everyone goes, are you tired of flying?

667
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, there's never a Sunday. And I swear

668
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: to you sixteen years there have never been one Sunday

669
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: that I've showed up in that student. We're there at

670
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: five thirty six until usually five pm that I've shot

671
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: got there and I'm like, oh, I get ready to go. Ever,

672
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: it is so much fun. And that's like my locker

673
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: room now, because the biggest thing about sports that you

674
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: miss isn't I mean, obviously you're making a lot of money,

675
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: but I don't miss that because there are other ways

676
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: to make money. I missed the guys, and neither of

677
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: my guys. Now this is my new locker room with

678
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: no egos because we all accomplished everything we wanted a

679
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: game of football.

680
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Now we're here to have fun. This is gravy.

681
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: How do you get yourself in the mindset to be

682
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: And you alluded to this earlier to be critical but fair,

683
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: to bring insights to you know, people like me who

684
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: never played the game, like, how do you approach that?

685
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: Well?

686
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: I think the business been an analyst is just saying

687
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: what you see and do it in an honest way

688
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: without ill intent and out maliciousness. I don't say, well,

689
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: I can't believe this guy played like this. He's making

690
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: all this money, but does that have to do it

691
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: anything like nothing? Let's talk about his performance, right, and

692
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: let's be honest about his performance in a way in

693
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: which you can that you could tell that I played

694
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: the game. I understand what position he Then what I

695
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: got to portray to the audience the way I felt

696
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: about it is I've been.

697
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: In the locker room.

698
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: I've been up twenty one and lost, I've been down

699
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: twenty one and one, Like, what are the emotions? What

700
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: are the feelings? What's going on with the team on

701
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: the winning side, how's the team on the losing side

702
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: feel when things start to go against them? They just

703
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: can't stop the tide from rolling? Like I need to

704
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: convey that to the audience, the feelings, the things that

705
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: they just can't google on the internet and get a

706
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: feel for or a stat man. Of course, are you

707
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: stats here and there, But for the most part, stats

708
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: mean nothing. It's the game of emotion and that's what

709
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: you want to get to the audience. And that's the

710
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: one thing I had to learn. And my little buddy

711
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: Jay Glazer, of all people, wasn't one who really taught

712
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: me that because I was doing the typical well you know,

713
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: they got to do this, and now he goes Michael people,

714
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: then they can find it anywhere. Tell them what it

715
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: feels like in that locker room. You were in that

716
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: locker room. That's how you set yourself apart.

717
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: How did you know that you had it? What was

718
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: that moment for you? I didn't. I didn't.

719
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: That's the weird thing when people you know, you're just

720
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: so natural, I don't, you know. I just think I

721
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: reached a point where I don't really think about a

722
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: camera being there. I don't think about it does gonna

723
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: affect how I'm gonna be gonna be. I'm gonna be.

724
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be me. Yeah, And when the camera's not there,

725
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be the same dude. And if the hardest

726
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: thing for people to beat themselves on television, that's the

727
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: hardest thing I think for people in the camera's on,

728
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: you can you be yourself. It's kind of like somebody

729
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: an actor trying to act as himself. I mean, I

730
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: give you a lot of hats off to you if

731
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: you can act as yourself in front of a camera

732
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: in a movie. But I'm just me. I don't think

733
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: about it. I don't get that serious about it. And

734
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: then there are some times you're on live TV and

735
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: something happened and you're like, Okay, can I say that?

736
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: Man? Get away with that? Maybe not.

737
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: I trust my gut with those type of moments too,

738
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 2: and I think that that goes a long way to.

739
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 4: Trust easier to trust your moment when we're talking about football, baseball.

740
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 4: I'm amazed when I see you talking about like politics,

741
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: election year, hurricanes, earthquakes. Was there a moment early on,

742
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 4: probably not so much today, in the GMA days that

743
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 4: you felt a little impostus.

744
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: You have George, who's absolutely man, you kid, I feel

745
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: it sometimes absolutely impostures. Sitting room, well, you know, one

746
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: oh one over here, I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there

747
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: looking at people who I loved and admired like they

748
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, you're the gold standard. And for me the

749
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: first few years sitting there, I literally was in a

750
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: master's class and I would just sit there and watch

751
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: them do their thing with ease and go, man, they're

752
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: so good. I don't know if I'll ever be that comfortable.

753
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: Because I was uncomfortable in front of the camera for News,

754
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: very comfortable for Fox, very comfortable when I was alive.

755
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: GMA made me uncomfortable because it was subject matter that

756
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: I felt, you know, I may know this stuff for

757
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: some of this stuff, some of it.

758
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: I need to I need to get, you know, in

759
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: tune with, but.

760
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: I felt they will already belong here. And I had

761
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: a boss of mine to say, you know what, Michael,

762
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: the world's changed. People want to get their news delivered

763
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: in different ways from different people. It's not the traditionals

764
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: sit there and you know, I'm going to tell you

765
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: what you should think. Yeah, not that anymore. It is

766
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: you know, you fit what people want to hear who

767
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: they want to hear it from, and you just need

768
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: to believe in that and believe in yourself. And yeah, man,

769
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: I just felt like an imposted for a long time.

770
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: But now I feel as comfortable there as I felt

771
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: like any other set.

772
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 4: One thing you've learned from Robin and one from George,

773
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: because there I'm big fans of both of them.

774
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: The one thing I've learned from Robin that I belonged

775
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: I was on the carpet was I was over here

776
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: for Live getting ready to interview with celebrities who are

777
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: coming soon.

778
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: But she looked at me and she goes, you're nervous. Huh.

779
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: I said, I am.

780
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: Scared that death. She goes, Michael, I came from sports too.

781
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: When she said that, I was like, I forgot, Like

782
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: Robin's has just had so many incredible It's such an

783
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: incredible career and transcended so many things. And that was

784
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: the one thing all gave me the most confidence in

785
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 2: the world. With that and with George, you know, I've

786
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: learned with George, be consistent. George is George. He's always

787
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: going to be prepared, He's always sharp. He's going to

788
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: challenge people who say things that should be challenged. He's

789
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: not going to run away from a challenge because someone's

790
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: supposed to be his friend or he doesn't want to

791
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: hurt a feeling. George is going to get and after

792
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: a question that should be asked, and he's going to

793
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: do it in a way that I hope to one

794
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 2: day be able to do, which is just with this

795
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: straightforwardness and its honesty in a level what you've got

796
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: to respect. And I think That's why he gets so

797
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 2: much respect from everyone, including myself.

798
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: You've talked about identifying things you want to do and

799
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: then they materialize.

800
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: How do you think about the future kind of crazy.

801
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: I do think about a little bit more about the

802
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: future now than I think I probably used to think about.

803
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: I think because my kids are older and you know,

804
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: freshmen in college, and it makes you go, all, right,

805
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: what am I going to do?

806
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Do I want to work the.

807
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: Rest of my life or do I want to do

808
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: I want to go hang out with my buddy to

809
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: play golf like I seem like they're doing every day.

810
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: And I think they're the fine line between the two

811
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: of them. I don't think I'm able to sit idle

812
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: and do nothing that would drive me mad. But I

813
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: do think that they're the way in which I can

814
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: figure out another avenue or something that I have not

815
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: done yet that I would love to try to figure

816
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: out and conquer a little bit. And I think I'm

817
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: fine in my way and kind of in the vein

818
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: of Alex. You know, the sports fund I'm doing with

819
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 2: our good friend Mark Lazary, and so I think that's

820
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: something I'm very interested in, very passionate about the business

821
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 2: side is investing, very passionate about investing.

822
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about that, because I do think. I mean,

823
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: obviously the show is called the Deal. What are the

824
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: opportunities to do that for you? Because sports is a

825
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 3: I dare say, you know, you guys came up literally parallel.

826
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: It is a very different ecosystem than it was, oh

827
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: yeah in the early nineties. How do you view that

828
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: from a deal maker's perspective. A lot of my deals

829
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: they're so far removed from the sports. Yeah, I mean

830
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: this is the fund is sports fund, and we would

831
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 3: do things around sports, and we have. But I think

832
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: on a personal note far as my investing, it's full gamut.

833
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just an open book to solid investment,

834
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, and I have several investment vehicles.

835
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: I invest through.

836
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: One is a group of eight friends and the other

837
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: one is a group of three friends, and we find deals.

838
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: We get deals come through each of us because we

839
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: all have very different careers, but all of some in tech,

840
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: in finance, myself is sports. But we all get so

841
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: many opportunities that come our way that will vet it

842
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: together and then we decide if you want to investor

843
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: in but we have a fund that we do that with,

844
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: and they have one that's a smaller fund, just three

845
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: of us, and those are probably those are smaller investments

846
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: that probably can't take as much capital as the others.

847
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: So the three of us will do it or divide

848
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: it or figure it out in that way. But the

849
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: gamut of investments, you know, I think we invest over

850
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: thirty companies.

851
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

852
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: Is there a deal that sticks out in your mind?

853
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: One that either I saw that I knew it was

854
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: going to be amazing, or wow, that turned out in

855
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: a way that I didn't anticipate, you.

856
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Know, the one deal that I've walked on and I

857
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: think about it every time I play golf at bel

858
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: Air Country Club in LA.

859
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: Because I walked past the guy's house.

860
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: Young guy calls me up and I met him in

861
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: LA and I was living out there, and I want

862
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: to have a meeting with you at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

863
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: Great cool, go over there.

864
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: We haven't lunch, and he's telling me about this business

865
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: that he's working on with a field, his friends. He

866
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: would love for me and invest and everything else that

867
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking at him, and I'm oh, man, I mean

868
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: I retired at that point, so I think i'd retired

869
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: at that point, So it gotta be two thousand and

870
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: eight nimes pen something like that, maybe before that. But

871
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: he's telling me about this business and I'm like, oh, yeah, great,

872
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: and in my head I'm going, em, I don't know,

873
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm invested with this kid.

874
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: You know, he's like.

875
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: Too young, so young, and I don't know, I don't know.

876
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: He seemed like a little little crazy tender.

877
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: Oh wow, wow wow, Now how much would you have invested?

878
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: Well, and what do you think it was? I knew

879
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: what was going to be happened to.

880
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: Oh man, I look back now, like what do you

881
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: but you can't one thing. I don't get upset.

882
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: You can't win them all right, and.

883
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: You're gonna lose us. I mean I've lost money in

884
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: some deals. I mean we you know, and but I've

885
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: made a lot of money and other deals. And I

886
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: think that that's kind of like the competition part that

887
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: I like, you really got to do your due diligence.

888
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: You really got to be disciplined about what you're going

889
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: to do. And for me, my association with certain things,

890
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: like there's certain things that I won't do because I

891
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: want to be associated with something like that, even though

892
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: it would be a great business with then there are

893
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 2: certain things that you know what that's right up my alley,

894
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: or there's certain people I invest in who have a

895
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: product that is great.

896
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: I believe it's great.

897
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: A lot of great things don't work, but I believe

898
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: that that person, as a CEO of somebody who's an entrepreneur,

899
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: is going to really figure out a way to make

900
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: it work.

901
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: So one person who's been critical in all of this.

902
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: You alluded to her a couple of times. It may

903
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: just simply as the boss is Constance Schwartz MARIENI how

904
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: does smack come together?

905
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: What's the origin story there? Well, Constance had started the

906
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: company with another person and if Constantly and I we

907
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: met twenty eight twenty nine years ago. But she worked

908
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: at the NFL and I retired, and would be stayed

909
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: in contact even when she moved to LA because she

910
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: left the NFL, would work for a record label, then

911
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: she worked for a management company, and then she was

912
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: managing Snoop full time for seven years before she decided

913
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: to go out on her own. But we always stayed

914
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 2: in touch, and then I went out when I retired,

915
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: I moved to LA because I was doing Fox, the

916
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: only thing I was doing at the time, so I

917
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: might as well live close and I would go to

918
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: her office all the time, and I would just sit

919
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: there in meetings and listen and have opinions on things.

920
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: And after a while of doing that, she either she

921
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, if you're going to show up here

922
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: every day, you're either you gotta come a part of

923
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: the business or you just got to not come back.

924
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: She got sick of me, Like yes, either sick of me,

925
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: or like you're going to be a part of it.

926
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, all right, I'm in.

927
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: So I end up joining the company, and now the

928
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: other partner left, or just her and I we own

929
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: and the whole company. You know, we haven't sold off

930
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: anything of it or taken on any partners, but you know,

931
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: we now at that point where like strategic partners would

932
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: really work for us. It was expanding a lot of

933
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: ways that we want to expand. And yeah, that was

934
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: twelve years ago through twelve thirteen years ago. And we

935
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 2: get along in a sense that I think we both

936
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: understand each other well. We don't scream and argue with

937
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: each other like we both had the same sensibilities, and

938
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 2: we have a saying h L YB hustle like you're broke,

939
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: and we both do that. We do not take for

940
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: granted what we have. We work hard now as we've

941
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: ever worked, and I know we both feel a responsibility

942
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: for everyone who works with us. So that's what we started.

943
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: That's how it all got started. And it was not

944
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: much going on back then. Yeah, Yeah, wasn't much going on.

945
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: And then guess from like I guess sheer willed and

946
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: determination and just pushing and pushing and pushing, especially when

947
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: every days you're like, what the heck are we pushing for?

948
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: It?

949
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: Just once one thing happened, that the next thing happened,

950
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: and the next thing happened, And now we've been off

951
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: and running pretty well for a while.

952
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's fair to say understanding

953
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: sort of the underpinnings of what you're trying to do.

954
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean, the world sort of came to you in

955
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, Like the world recognized a lot

956
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: of the things that you guys would recognize, which is

957
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 3: this intersection. We talk about it. Alex and I talked

958
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 3: about it constantly business, sports, culture, technology, broader economics, broader ambition.

959
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: Why do you think that happened? I mean, what happened

960
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: in the world to put you at the center of it.

961
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: I wish I knew, I really wish I knew. And

962
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: I name our company Smack Sports, Music and Culture, and

963
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: that's really what we're involved. I mean, we manage wiz

964
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: Khalifa Common and on the sports side, it's myself, it's

965
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: Dion Sanders, Shiloh Sanders, Chador Sanders, Travis Hunter, Kurt Menefee,

966
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: Aaron Andrews, the Garcia Twins, where the Bella Twin wrestlers,

967
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: Tony Gonzalez, just a full gamut of different type of

968
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: people with different types of skill sets, and we're about

969
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: working with people. We want to work with people who

970
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: had the same you know, hustle and drive and ambitions

971
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: that we have because a lot of work manage someone's

972
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: career and try to build a career, like build a

973
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: business off of their career, which is something that we

974
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: take a lot of pride in being able to come

975
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: up with it, where by ea Aaron Andrews line with NFL, NHL,

976
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: NBA and be able to create something from an idea

977
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: and actually make it a business. Not pass it off.

978
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: And we have a small but mighty team. And I

979
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: just think, you know, universe works in mysterious ways. Man,

980
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I really don't. I remember when

981
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: you talk to Confidence ask her about the call, that

982
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: she would like, Oh, I had this epiphany. I woke

983
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: up in the middle of night and with these epiphanies.

984
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: And I got to say, is as crazy as she

985
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: sounds when she's telling me. She's always right and she

986
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: really is a subvant and it just makes sense to

987
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: her how this business works and how the world works,

988
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: and you know, the long term goals because she doesn't

989
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: look at the immediate. She's always year the head of

990
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: myself and everyone else. When my dad left off, as

991
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: I got growled and moved to New York, my parents

992
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: were in Texas, Confidence has picked up and has given

993
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: me that confidence of like when and what's next and

994
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: believing things are going to happen where my dad left off.

995
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 4: Look, there's a lot of young people out there that

996
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: want to be the next Michael Strahan, Like knowing what

997
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 4: you know now, what advice would you give yourself at

998
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: twenty one? And are young viewers that want to be

999
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 4: like you or something like you, what advice would you

1000
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: give them?

1001
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: What is a lot of advice.

1002
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: I literally woke up this morning and I was like, man,

1003
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: it's early. I got a bed a little late last night.

1004
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: I started watching one of these series kept me up

1005
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: later than my he was a bedtime and I got up.

1006
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: And I said, man, I'm tired.

1007
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: Then I realized that this is not tired. Tired was

1008
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: pulling myself out of a bed at Fairleigh Dickinson here

1009
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: in New Jersey, or at University of already in training camp, tired,

1010
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: beat up, sore, get put it on shoulder paths that

1011
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: are still wet and damp from the sweat from the

1012
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: day before. To constance, I am my last question? Could

1013
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: I please finish? My last question is that?

1014
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: Okay, boss, I'm in here singing your praises.

1015
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: By the way, A right, boss cauld, I have one minute.

1016
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: You go that way, Yeah, go through there. You can

1017
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: have a seat right here in the background.

1018
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: But then I realized that, man, I look at now

1019
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: when I go, it's a lot of work for anybody

1020
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: that's out there who's young. It's a lot of stuff

1021
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: you're going to have to go through and do. Times

1022
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: that you don't feel like doing anything, but you're going

1023
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: to have to find the strength to do it. And

1024
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: there is no substitute.

1025
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: There is no.

1026
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: Shortcut to success if you're not with the hard work

1027
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: is the key to success. Relationships are the key to success.

1028
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: Being nice to people like treating people, making people feel valuable.

1029
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: I don't care what your job is here upset, I

1030
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: don't whatever show I do or I don't say people

1031
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: work for me and work with me. But I believe

1032
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: in making every everyone feel they have the value, no

1033
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: matter what their job is. Because if you do that,

1034
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: they will do everything they can for you for your

1035
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: organization to make it be the best it could be.

1036
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: So treat people with respect, treat yourself with respect, work

1037
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: your butt.

1038
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: Off and be open to say yes, and don't.

1039
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: Care if it doesn't work, because you're going to learn

1040
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: something that's gonna help you down the road. And that

1041
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: has really been my whole life lesson and get yourself

1042
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: a great partner like confidant schwartz Marini, who I'm scared

1043
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: of because she's behind me, so I gotta say all

1044
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: these nice things about the boss. She is so lovely.

1045
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: Cannot wait for you to to have a conversation with her.

1046
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: Did he do okay?

1047
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: I mean he should treat he forgot the part? You

1048
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: know what, She's coming in hot.

1049
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: We're ready for it. We're ready for it.

1050
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Thank you so much.

1051
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: I love you, Thank you, brother.

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