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Speaker 1: discretion is advised. The world's origion podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: It was like shoulder bicep resk me and merrily that's

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Speaker 1: his alarmed Stafford keeps getting hit the way he is.

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Speaker 1: I think he was sacked like twenty one times or something. Well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of him are his fault. I know, it's

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Speaker 1: just that doesn't even really not the Patriots can hold

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Speaker 1: the Browns below one hundred and two points three yards. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Will's in the barber shop? What's up? Will you getting

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Speaker 1: the junior boys regular? Washington? And really? Yeah? I give them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they rally around this news and

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Speaker 1: we're not a dysfunctional organizations, said, I think they're getting

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Speaker 1: that the previous two weeks we're not improvement? I just

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Speaker 1: watched the game, right, so I'm asking you what you're

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Speaker 1: judging it are they're playing much more solid defense, but

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Speaker 1: but you're saying they're improving my eyes. Did they get

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Speaker 1: better after Baltimore and after Baltimore? Yes, and they got

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Speaker 1: better after that. But they're getting better, but they got

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Speaker 1: out of point curse. This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan.

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium, and we're stacking wins now stacking wins.

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Speaker 1: Another another impressive performance by the ever moving defense for

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Can I hear myself? I can

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Speaker 1: hear you can hear me? Yeah? Yeah, I can't hear myself,

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Speaker 1: but it's fine. I don't need to hear myself. Okay, Fred,

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Speaker 1: I have to give you a point because one hundred

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Speaker 1: all right, you got it, we were under it, we won.

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Speaker 1: We were laughing at you for that specific number. But

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Speaker 1: give your credit for just predicting the run. Defense like that.

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Speaker 1: That's that was the key to the game. And I

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Speaker 1: the asterisks. Well, because that was great defense they made.

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Speaker 1: They made Chubb look average early and then they took

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Speaker 1: They didn't allow that because the average play well Chubb

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Speaker 1: ever that makes the offense better. You know, I'm not

425
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 1: talking when I talked about the tight ends. I mean,

426
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 1: let's face it, we're talking about their production of the pende.

427
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go getting they weren't getting targeted and now

428
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: they are. I mean, they're playing better. Or the quarterbacks

429
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: were born in Agalo hurt. I'm We're a little worried

430
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 1: about that. But I still think that Mac is going

431
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: to come back to an offense that was better, that's

432
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: better than when he left. You know, maybe it should

433
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: be because we're further down the season. Yeah yeah, I

434
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: mean sure, I just I mean I think kind of

435
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: going back to Tamara's point, Like, I think this is

436
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of unique for Mac. I don't think he's ever

437
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: been a guy who has a been the incumbent starter

438
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: in a major college season or NFL season. Like this

439
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: is the first time he came in as a starter.

440
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: It's also the first time he's experienced a major injury.

441
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: It's also the first time he's now on the other

442
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: side of it now watching another guy go in who

443
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: was his back up yea, and play well ye where

444
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: you know so, And that's why like all these stories

445
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: about like Mac isn't I'm like, no offense, but like

446
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: you're not good enough to be Like this isn't working

447
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 1: for me right now after that rookie season, Like your

448
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: rookie season was fine, but like you you're telling me

449
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: now that you're like, I don't know about this, Bill Belichick,

450
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: Like I know, I know that I bowed down to

451
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: you this whole season and did everything you told me.

452
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna I'm gonna go separate ways here on

453
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: this decision. So that's fine. If he is doing that,

454
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: then I think you're right. I think he needs to

455
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: get on the same page and realize, like the train

456
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: isn't gonna wait for anybody and your feelings about what

457
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: direction you think the offense should go. You're not there yet.

458
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: You're not Josh Allen. You do haven't had the kind

459
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: of seasons yet where you get to sit there and

460
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: say this is what I want, this is what I want,

461
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: this is how it should be. And we don't know

462
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: if that's the case, right, We don't why it seems

463
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: to me like, I'm just like, I don't really and

464
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: I just based that off of the kid that Mac

465
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: has been and I and I and I'm not even

466
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: saying that that this is how we should be, that

467
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: he should just be like, oh, yes whatever, oh yeah,

468
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: but that's what he kind of seems like to me.

469
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm all for him questioning, I'm all for him giving input,

470
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: but at some point you say, okay, you know, now

471
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: we've got to play and this is what we've decided

472
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: to do, and I'm i gotta be on board, you know.

473
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he hears, you know, all this stuff,

474
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: no matter where you fall on the spectrum of zappy

475
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: fever or any of this. Like, I'm sure he's he's

476
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: hearing it all. I don't know if he's the kind

477
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: of kid that can just turn everything off. I feel

478
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: like and these modern players are listening, and here's the reality.

479
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: Whether I like it or not, or whether you know

480
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: it's fair or not. When he comes back, he better

481
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: play well. He and it may not be fair, you know,

482
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: because in context and the circumstances could be different. Who knows,

483
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, if he doesn't come back against Chicago, he

484
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: comes back against the Jets, that's a tougher game. Um,

485
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: so it may not be fair, but he better play well. Yeah,

486
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to ask. Do you think, I mean,

487
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: do you think that there's some motivation for the team

488
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: going against the Chicago offense to get him out there

489
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: and to get his feet wet and game that's probably

490
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty tough to lose rather than maybe throwing

491
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: them into the fire against the Jets on the road

492
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: in his first human nature as it is, they have

493
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: to be thinking that, but they can't, you know what

494
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they have to put that thought aside.

495
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: And just if he's not ready, he's not playing, I

496
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: think he must be pretty close. Because of Reportedly, they

497
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: didn't make the decision about Bailey until Saturday night. Reportedly

498
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: reportedly so that makes me think that he's that much closer.

499
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: But but that could all be part of the ruse.

500
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: You know, we're not going to tell even no, well, medically,

501
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: if the doctors say he shouldn't be traveling, you know,

502
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: because of air pressure and swelling, they wouldn't have put

503
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: him on the plane despite that. So I would think

504
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: the doctors. I would hope the doctor said he's okay

505
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: to fly. It's not going to hurt them. No, I'm

506
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: talking about play. Yeah, Like I think the swelling at

507
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: this point, I mean, we're four weeks out. I don't

508
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: think that's an issue. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know,

509
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: but they they thought he was well enough to travel,

510
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: which means something. You know. I mentioned the reports from

511
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: last week that I mean alleged that he was trying

512
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: to push to play last week too. I don't think

513
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: he was thinking. I don't think he was close on Sunday.

514
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: I'll I'll just say that I'm kind I kind of

515
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: agree with you because when he came out, we all

516
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: saw the warmups on Patriots dot com. He came out,

517
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: he didn't even really throw, he didn't even like do anything.

518
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: So like, well, they had already decided he wasn't playing.

519
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: But I but from what well to me was when

520
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: Garret Gilbert elevator from the practice squad on Saturday he

521
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: ain't playing tomorrow. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So like

522
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 1: they knew he wasn't gonna play, it was it probably

523
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: was a ruse. That's kind of that's why I asked him.

524
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: You think he's clear. Yeah, I kind of agree with you, Freddy. Yeah,

525
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: And I mean Joe Judge mentioned he's a captain. Having

526
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: him around was was good. So maybe that's if he

527
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: could be there, I'd rather have him there absolutely. I

528
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: mean Lawrence Guy traveled, yeah, Samon Harris too. Yeah, and

529
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: don't you think that it benefits to have him for

530
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: for Mac to be on the sideline? Yeah? Yeah, I

531
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: didn't watch the broadcast. Well also a practice, you know,

532
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: like I mean with the IR stuff. Sorry, you guys

533
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: watched the broadcast. They show Mac on the sideline a lot. Yeah,

534
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: I thought so they did. I thought at least on

535
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: two occasions I saw Mac with the tablet and Bailey

536
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: right next to each other. Seemed to be I don't know, well,

537
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: that's good. How many times the cherry pick that and

538
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: show you on the broadcast once. I remember seeing him,

539
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: But but I'm largely with you Fred on the bigger pitcher.

540
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: If Mac is healthy, it's his job still to me. Um.

541
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: But I just last week I was sort of um

542
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: more with with Evan in terms of it really isn't

543
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: a competition, This really isn't a conversation. He played at

544
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: a higher level Sunday than he did in the previous

545
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: Susie by a significant amount, and he was asked to

546
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: do more. And I know it was easy. I know

547
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: how bad the teams are that they're playing. They're the

548
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: same bad teams that Mac looked great against last year

549
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: and we all got excited about. So I'm not going

550
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: to pooh pooh it for one guy when I was

551
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: trumpeting it for for the other. I think it's apples

552
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: to apples. He played really well. I think it's a conversation. Now, yeah,

553
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a conversation. But it's Max's job to lose. Like,

554
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he goes out there and he's bad. Okay,

555
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: like a chance, but they got to give him a chance.

556
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: But also we don't have all day. Well it's just

557
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not hard to see, you know, Bailey

558
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: Zappy get a start against the Bears, they probably roll again.

559
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: All Right, Max bready he's got to go to play

560
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: the Jets. And I mean, we know how our fan

561
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: base feels about the Jets. Like you know, I'm just saying,

562
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: like this is how it's lining up. I know that

563
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: Max's gonna have to probably go back into the Jets

564
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: and play, you know, a Jets team that looks better

565
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: than they've been in a game, divisional game that you

566
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: really kind of need. So it's you can see, oh,

567
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: Mac couldn't beat the Jets. Yeah, the Jets. Yeah, unlike

568
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: unlike the Browns of the Bear's, Jets have already played

569
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Mac twice. They know him a little bit, they know

570
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: him a little better. Yeah, you know, so, I I

571
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: just say it may not be fair, but that's the reality.

572
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: And it's easy just to sit there and go. When

573
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he'll play and not you know, really consider

574
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: who the teams are, what you're throwing him into. Is

575
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: it worth putting eighty five ninety percent Mac in against

576
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: the Bears to get get it going and get him

577
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: a win and get some positive energy rolling with him

578
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: again before you go into the Jets. I feel like

579
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: if I'm not going to that doesn't have anything. I'm

580
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: with you on it. Yeah, to me, it's all about

581
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: his ankle. Do you do you mean ready and eighty

582
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: five percent or like ready he has to be able

583
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: to move around to avoid pressure. If he's ready, ready

584
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: to play, I don't care what the percentage is. Yeah,

585
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: he should play. I'm not playing him because they're playing

586
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: a bad team, right and that and I'm not making

587
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: fun of you might because that's what everybody else. Thanks,

588
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: And we just talked about it to film All Access

589
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: and I was alone. I was like, no, if he's

590
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: ready to play, sure, play him, but I'm not gonna. Yeah,

591
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm not rushing him back because I want to softly.

592
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I think you could make a

593
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: good argument for the soft landing is on the road

594
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: in case he goes three and out early. Yeah. You

595
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: know how these guys get They don't cheer for anything

596
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: good happening, but if something bad happens, like you'd think

597
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: that it didn't win six titles in the last shot fire.

598
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean how many times did Brady get

599
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: booted off the field? I mean on the rare occasions

600
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: when they didn't play well offensively. Yeah, right, good thing

601
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: that wasn't Bailey's happy around back then? So what else? Okay,

602
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: So that's it's all on the table. It's on the table.

603
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody wants to talk about that particular subject. Yeah,

604
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: I just would say that my feeling is that I

605
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: don't I don't see a great I think Mac is

606
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: the better option, but basically I feel that way because

607
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: he's so much further along in the process, not because

608
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: I think his skill set is demonstratively better than Zappi's.

609
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: It's better, he's a little bigger, he's a little stronger.

610
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that he does a lot of things

611
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: that Bailey Zappy can't do. Yeah, do you? I don't know.

612
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm totally with you. And that's and that's why it

613
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: just comes down to me, like who's who's the ceiling.

614
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the greatest thing is going to

615
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: be is our training camp podcast next year? Oh yeah,

616
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: well it all depends on how this season ends. Yeah,

617
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean you could potentially have, whether we

618
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: make it up or not, a QB competition in camp.

619
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: I know, I just the afternoon soaps on now today,

620
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: there we go. Yeah, I miss I missed my afternoon soaps.

621
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: It's been a long time, yes, Tamara, heavy sigh days,

622
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: heavy sigh um about my soap opera vieing. No, because

623
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: my grandma's probably homewatching this right now. Probably what you

624
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: call them her programs or her shows. My grandma calls

625
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: them her stories. Oh that's what she says. I'll call her,

626
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm watching my stories. Like do you

627
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: need something? Like, I'm not more important than her stories.

628
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm torn because I'm just like I would

629
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: like to see him go back out there. But like

630
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: if he's like doing a fast limp for a walk

631
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: for a run, no I don't want I don't want

632
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: to play. And if he can't play, no, yeah, just

633
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: because he feels the pressure to get his job back

634
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: because or secure his job, or if like you see

635
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: him running and he's like wincing as he's running, I

636
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: don't want it. But like, do you a point, Mike

637
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: went about ten minutes ago. You brought up like the

638
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: differences in the way they're playing and what they were

639
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: asked to do, and like the reason why I would

640
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: lean to Mac is I don't believe that you can

641
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: beat good teams playing offense the way they've played it

642
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: the last few weeks. UM, So I think you need

643
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: to continue to do what they were trying, and you

644
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: need to succeed at it, and Mac gives you a

645
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: better chance to succeed with the greater breath of you know,

646
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: offense at his disposal. And that's why I'm not ready.

647
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to just like you guys know, I've

648
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: never been Mac is the future. He's the guy no

649
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: way can't miss. Kid. I've never been that guy with

650
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, but he's some people who were are just

651
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: like already. But I was also like viscerated for feeling

652
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: that I didn't think he was necessarily a lock to

653
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: be the franchise quarterback on this show. I took a

654
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: lot of heat for that. Now all of a sudden,

655
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: no one thinks Mac Jones is the future. Everybody thinks

656
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: it's Bailey's appy, And I was like, but wait a minute.

657
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: Last year, all I was told was pro Bowl, led

658
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: the team to the playoffs. This is the best best rookie.

659
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: If they had to draft the rookies over again, he'd

660
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: be the number one guy. And you're just a hater.

661
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: That's what I heard all last year. Right now, it's

662
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Bailey's appy, right, and I got killed. You know, I

663
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: had the dacity to say I'd take Trevor Lawrence, and

664
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: people killed me for that. I remember, I remembering what

665
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: people killed you for saying that. Oh. Absolutely, Oh I

666
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: would pick Trevor Lawrence today of course before So I

667
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: right now I actually watch and and and people think

668
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: that's me knocking Mac. No. I really think Trevor Lawrence

669
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: is really good. Yea, I think he's been wasted. Yes,

670
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 1: Jacksonville is you know, you could see it now how

671
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: much better he is played. He I mean, he's had

672
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: some bad games too, but he's played pretty well. Yes,

673
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: this year. One of the I want to say to

674
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: your point, Paul two is I know earlier I said,

675
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: like I lean Mac maybe because his ceiling is better.

676
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know if I really believe that.

677
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: I just feel like they're similar quarterbacks. But Mac just

678
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: has more experience. He's got, that's he's seen more, Like

679
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even want to sit here

680
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: and tell you like I believe one hundred percent that

681
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: Mac has. You know, his ceiling is way beyond Zappy's

682
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't really know, like I could see and I'll

683
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: come where Hey, let's start pushing the ball down the

684
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: field with Zappy into you know, similar kind of things.

685
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: But I just think you've invested time into Mac. He

686
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: probably had has more capability at the line of scrimmage too,

687
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: to you know, get him out of some bad looks.

688
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: That that that I have no idea. I think, you know, Leman,

689
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: at least's experience, it seemed like he's changed. He changes

690
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: plays a little bit more. But but that's that's it.

691
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: It's you're I mean, you're splitting hand. I'm with you know,

692
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: and I would also, I'll like, I'll account for the

693
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: fact that sometimes a guy has better physical skills and

694
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Mac Jones I think has better physical skills than Baileys. He's,

695
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: like I said, he's a little bigger, a little stronger, um,

696
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily make him better because sometimes guys

697
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: just have like these innate game has it. Yeah, but

698
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: he has just like in an eate like gamer kind

699
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: of mentality. And I think you've seen that a little

700
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: bit with with Zappie in the pocket especially. I thought

701
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: on on Sunday, there was a couple of times where

702
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: I thought he bought time, climbed the pocket and moved

703
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: around different arm angles and stuff where I feel like

704
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is one of those guys. It's got to

705
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: be right, you know, I gotta I gotta get the protection,

706
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: I gotta step, throw and bang. Then I have no

707
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: proble album with with his accuracy or anything like that.

708
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: I think Zappy looks like he can go quote unquote

709
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: off platform a little bit more. But does that make

710
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: up for the lack of experience, Like, yeah, I think

711
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: that just the fact that it's a conversation. I think

712
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. It really is surprising. It really is fascinating.

713
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: I said Paul too. I mean we maybe not me

714
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: as much as him, but neither one of us were

715
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: like Max Stands like we kind of were waiting to

716
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: see it. But and now I don't really feel like

717
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: I have a horse in the race. I just kind

718
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: of want what's just want to win team, I just

719
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: want to win. I just want to be Buffalo, which

720
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: one of these guys. I don't care. Let's go. It's like,

721
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: see's the word stand? Yeah? What what? No comment? I missed? It?

722
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: Is that another one of those things that the the old.

723
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: The olds don't get the young people. How old were

724
00:35:53,239 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: you when Eminem came out? Six? Okay, all right, real

725
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: real quick before we take the calls, because I am

726
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm really interested. I might actually do a tally today, Fred, Yeah,

727
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: I want to for for and again. Yeah, I'm gonna

728
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: keep track today fur Mac or again as you like

729
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: to say. Um. But we had a little um back

730
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: and forth on All Access, Um, Mike Rees and I

731
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: with Steve Burton, and you know, Mike made a comment

732
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of saying, you know, if you know,

733
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: so far everything has gone, you know, according to script

734
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: for Bailey Zappy, he's had very little game pressure. Totally

735
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: agree with him, uh, you know, and he was like,

736
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, but what happens if they face some adversity

737
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: in a game and they fall behind and they have

738
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: to do it a different way? Um, how do you

739
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: feel then? And I just sort of snap back. I said,

740
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't feel any differently about Bailey Zappy in that

741
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: situation that I do about Mac Jones, because Mac Jones

742
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: as yet to show me that he can do that. Yep.

743
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: And we kind of went back and forth. He disagreed

744
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: a little like if you feel better down fourteen and

745
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: the third quarter. With Mac Jones, it's simply because he's

746
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: played more games, not because he's you know, rallied from

747
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: that spot against any any team of significance, because they

748
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: have it. So that's I think it's interesting how when

749
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: when you when you look at it like they're there

750
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: are Mac people and there are Zappi people in there's

751
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: no nuance and like with everything with this stuff, it's

752
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: all new. I yeah, it's all new. You can't like

753
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Mac without saying Zappy's bad, and you can't like Zappy

754
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: without saying Ma's bad. That's seems to be the way

755
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: it is. And then so similar. Yeah, well that's my

756
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: point is I don't think it's necessarily saying one's good

757
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: ones bad, but I think they're kind of both. Okay,

758
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: they're both. That's like why it kind of goes back

759
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about in training camp, were like,

760
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: this was supposed to be the year where we learn

761
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: is Mac a quarterback that can win us a game?

762
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: Or is Mac a quarterback that's not going to lose

763
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: us a game? And we didn't get that answer. And

764
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: the two weeks before he got hurt and now we're

765
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: just like. Now, let's try with Billy. I always say

766
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm finding myself going to Paul's thing a lot of

767
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: like I can't tell people to change how they feel

768
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: because I can't tell you, can't tell you how you're

769
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: supposed to. I just I just feel like Billy Zappy's

770
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: a winner, and I like them more. I can't do

771
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: anything for I can't do anything for you. Right, you

772
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: feel the way you feel? All right? Eight five five passive.

773
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna sit up a chart right now, Freddy,

774
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: here we go. All right, and this is this is

775
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: in relation to so, so regardless of what you are

776
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: calling about, that's fine. We can talk about that. But

777
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: way in on on Paul's little thing, all right? Eight

778
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: five Paul's pole, Yeah, Paul. Can we just leave Paul

779
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: Paul's little Paul? Can we leave my thing in my

780
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: pole out of this conversation? Please? Yeah? Keep Paul off.

781
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: My goodness, no one wants to see Paul on the pole?

782
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: Where's Andy Hart? When anyone? Five five pats five time

783
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: room eight five five past five hundred web radio at

784
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: pages dot com. It's email address. Let's go to Jim

785
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: in New Haven. What's up, Jim? Hey Fred, how are

786
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: you doing? I love the show, Thank you. I just

787
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: wanted to have I got a couple of comments on

788
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: a point of one thing about Um, remember we were

789
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: talking about Dan Campbell and Bill Belichick not talking about

790
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: well coached when you mentioned that, Kweeza, Um, what do

791
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: you think about when check talks about the best coaches

792
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: like George Hollis and Paul Brown. Doesn't seem like he

793
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: really mentions Don Chula like you think that maybe he

794
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: does not a big fan of his. Well, Vince Lombardo, Yes, right,

795
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: wasn't Belichick? Yeah he did. He said some mean things

796
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: around Spygate. I believe he calls him Belichi. Yeah so yeah,

797
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: but but but the lack of respect happened a lot

798
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: before that. Yeah, with I mean, don't forget Belichick and Schula.

799
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: We're in the league at the same time. Oh yeah, yeah,

800
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: what was them party? Yeah, he don't think much of Lombardi,

801
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: he can tell. Yeah, you could just tell mission now.

802
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: He did mention coach Lombardi Green Bay Week, you know

803
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: when he mentioned the aura of but it was varied.

804
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: It was mostly Curly Rambo and Don Hudson. Yeah, but

805
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's a good observation, Jim. He leaves those

806
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: two illuminaries out usually when he's talking about the great coaches.

807
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: The other comment I have is it's okay, um I

808
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: was talking about I called a couple of weeks ago

809
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: or last week and the first time Fallow a long

810
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: time Peach fan, and I unt you remember I stuck

811
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: up a little bit or defended Zappy a little bit

812
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: in the way of not against Mac Jones. But um,

813
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: I just said that I thought through a tight spiral

814
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: in the Green Bay game, and then the next game,

815
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: I do like food drop a little bit. So I

816
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: was kind of like he was being a little harsh

817
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: on Zappy. But Paul saved the day with his snarkiness

818
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: when Evan said something about about a Mac Jones intercept

819
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: and how there was a bad play design and then

820
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Ball said, you can't go to balls to the other team, right,

821
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: But it's just like, I don't think any play is

822
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: designed to throw it to the other Yeah, that was

823
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: one of my favorite comments. It's like, this is my

824
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: whole point, So I'm gonna put him in the against

825
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: Mac for Bailey Zappy. Is that is that accurate? Jim

826
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, So you're four Zappy. Well that I guess

827
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: if I want to be truthful, you know, I I

828
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: just saw Zappy things that I like. Yeah, and to me,

829
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: it takes to me. I think it takes like two

830
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: years to see if a quarter back really is good.

831
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: So I'm not minus replus. But I had to say

832
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: I had to defend them because I thought everybody was

833
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: being harsh on Zappy for no reason on the show.

834
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: I was a little bit surprised. So yeah, you know,

835
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: I hated to call in on that point first time

836
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: because I love the show. I love everything about it,

837
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, no, I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

838
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: But I did kind of like that that comment, and

839
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: Jim reminded me of like, oh, that was a poor

840
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: play design, you know, in the midst of you know,

841
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: it's time that we owe we owe the offensive coaches

842
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: and apology, you know, because we thought there might be

843
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: some problems with play designs and you know, yeah and such.

844
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: But again, I'll say I'll say this again. Early in

845
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: the game the other day, they sent DeVante Parker down

846
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: the sideline. There were two guys around him and Bailey

847
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: Zappy threw a ball up in Parker went up and

848
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: made a high point catch in traffic, which was to

849
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: me the very definition of a fifty fifty ball. Right,

850
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: you don't have to throw it to the other team,

851
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: because it's a fifty fifty ball a matter of fact,

852
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: you don't have to throw it at all. You can

853
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: throw it wherever you want. Maybe you could throw it

854
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: to the tight end who's wide open. Like so like,

855
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: I just think there's so much just like no, no, no,

856
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: it's Mac. Well why is it Mac? Because Mack's better? Okay? Well,

857
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: and also as so as you have, like, you know,

858
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: great reasoning. You and Jim said, you know, I see

859
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: I saw some things in Zappy that I like. Well,

860
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: I think we all saw things in Mac last year

861
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: that we liked. Yeah, you know, similar things processing and

862
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, some pocket of awareness. I mean, I like

863
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: paulse point though about Zappy having a little bit of

864
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: athletic system to get out. I mean, I just I

865
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: think that might be an area where he might be

866
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: a little bit better just on his feet, not nothing.

867
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: He looked a little bit like Jimmy Garoppolo back there.

868
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: You know, Garoppolo, you know, I had some good escapability,

869
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: but if you tell me that Bailey zappy, can you

870
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: know is oh man, he's really grasping things and we're

871
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: excited about where he's going and stuff. Then Okay, like

872
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: I don't care, you know, but I just I still

873
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: think it's Mac. I still think he's the one, and

874
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: he's going to get another shot boughtomte and the power

875
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: before to play three of them. Wayne in Boston, what's up, Dwayne? Hello?

876
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: You guys see me? Okay, yeah, yes, loud and clear. Perfect.

877
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: First of all, I am following too that he's so Paul,

878
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: you can go ahead and write that down. I got

879
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: got you, got you, Dwayne. I have seen twenty two

880
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: one games of Matt Jones and he's only had one

881
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: game winning driving nest against Houston. And if houston starting

882
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: quarterback wasn't the pervert, he probably wouldn't even had that one.

883
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what there is to look forward to,

884
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: incons Okay, can you guys tell me something that you

885
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: would actually look forward to with Mac Jones other than experience?

886
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: I heard you guys laughing. Clear, experience counts for something.

887
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: So here's what I basically you're saying, Dwayne, that you

888
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: think that Bailey Zappy. This is just the beginning, and

889
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: he's going to ascend to a higher level. I have

890
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: seen I see something in Bailey Zappy. I have seen

891
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: enough from Mac Jones to know that I don't need

892
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: to see anything else. He played two one games and

893
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: was taken enough to building tears. I mean, honestly they

894
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: could trade him. Wow, going for the joy. So I'm

895
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: going to put him down as I'm only going to

896
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: count him as one against. But that was significant five.

897
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: I love it so. But it's a fair question, what

898
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: are you looking forward to in Mac? And for me,

899
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: the answer is this rebral part of the game that

900
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm being told that he's really good at him taking

901
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: that and making the jump, making the progression using that

902
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: and knowing the game better and making better decisions down

903
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: the road. You know. That's that's what I think I'm

904
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: looking forward to with him. I mean, I think that's good.

905
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: I would just downfield throws like explosive plays like we've

906
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: seen some of them. He's made some good throws down

907
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: the field. I've never I haven't seen Bailey z Appy

908
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: make those throws even in practice. They have been inconsistent

909
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: with Mac. But I think there's been a desire to

910
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: push it, and I wouldn't don't think they would try

911
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: to push it if they didn't think he could do it.

912
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: And that's what I think you have to find out

913
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: with Mac. And I would say the same thing about

914
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy if if they were to start him. We

915
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: got to find out if this guy can challenge all

916
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: points of the field or is he just going to

917
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: be what we live last year with Mac, which is

918
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: take the right, make the right read six yards six

919
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: yards a pop, and you know, again, like that's just

920
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: what's crazy. I'm just trying to go down the field

921
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: and people have been complaining so long about dink and

922
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: dunk and short passing, and now everybody sees a little

923
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: more short passing. That's seven percent completion rate, and they're like,

924
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: let's just go back to that. Let's just go to

925
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: so much of the quarterback game is decision making, sure,

926
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, And that's what we're told that Max's superpower is,

927
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: you know. But Zappie has got a reputation for being

928
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: an excellent at that too. Yeah, and he's and he's

929
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: done it the last couple of games, Like, I think

930
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: the decisions have been good and if you're going to

931
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: compare this year to this year with Mac and him,

932
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: like some of Max throws not. I do feel bad

933
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: a little bit for Mac in that you know, he

934
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: comes out and plays you know, Miami. Pittsburgh's personnel on

935
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: defense is far better than you know, Detroit's, you know,

936
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: as an example, and then you know, he plays Baltimore

937
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: and then he follow that up with he plays Detroit

938
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: and Cleveland, which what are they thirty two in twenty

939
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: nine in Dvoa or something ridiculous like that, Like literally

940
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: the very worst of the worst defense is in football. Yeah,

941
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, like I know, when you when you make

942
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: the those kinds of excuses, you sound like, yeah, you're

943
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: just you sound like you're making making excuses for the

944
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: guy that you like. I don't really have a like

945
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: a dog in this way. I'm content to watch either

946
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: one of them play. I'm trying to figure out if

947
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: I notice a difference between either one of them. I

948
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: think it's even better when you remove all contexts and

949
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: you're like, so Mac lost at Miami in Pittsburgh, like

950
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: I went in in Pittsburgh, you know, strit some struggles

951
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: there Baltimore, and then Zappy got to play Cleveland, Detroit,

952
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: the Bears, Like you are like, like, I know that's

953
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: in context. It's like you feel like, well, these defenses

954
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: are really but you know, there were there were some

955
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: elements to worry about a little bit with Detroit and

956
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: with Cleveland going in like not traditional defense about you know,

957
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: but overall it's like just go to the teams that

958
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: they played, like that's that kind of says a lot too.

959
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: But there's a there's a stat um if you look

960
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: at the Jesus Site with the standings they keep track

961
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: of like the strength of victory in the straight of schedule,

962
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: and the numbers of the Patriots are like absurd, Like

963
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: their strength of victory it was like two ninety four.

964
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: Like there's only like two teams in football that have

965
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: worse than like those teams have like one win. You know,

966
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: it's like they've beaten bad football teams so far. And

967
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: by the way, that's what they did last year. Yeah,

968
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: except for San Diego. I'm not saying I mean the Chargers.

969
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: That was a good win. It's a good win. That

970
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that was probably their best win a nine

971
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: and eight non playoff team. That's my point. Yeah, let's

972
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: go to Patty and agawam, hey Patty, Hey, how's everyone

973
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: doing this afternoon? Okay, Patty, enough with the pleasant treat.

974
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: So do you get your choice? Come to the head

975
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: Macker zappy, no go, no going back. I think um,

976
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: I was on the record last week saying I was

977
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: a team McClellan, but uh, I'm open to whatever. You know, like,

978
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: just it counts one either way. That's a form McClellan,

979
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: even though this is not a very passionate defense. But

980
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: mcle I mean you brought up, you brought up a

981
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: good point on the postgame show. I forgot who called him,

982
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: but you know they said if Max plays, if Mack

983
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: is healthy coming into this week, does he play or

984
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: Gigan must start. I think you do. And just I

985
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: mean if he's not, if he doesn't look good against

986
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: the Bears, who are are horrific team all around and

987
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: not that great on defense, I mean other than Roquan Smith,

988
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: I can't name another player on the defense. Um, I

989
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: think you might. I think you might have to make

990
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: the change to Bailey. And the big positive, the big

991
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: picture positive on this is you've got two quarterbacks that

992
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: look like they can play in the NFL. So one

993
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: of them. You might spend a year or two. You

994
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: might get some good trade calls on him for like

995
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: maybe a second round pick like they got with Gruffalo.

996
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: No chance for you're getting a second round pick for

997
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Bailey's at You're not Fred, You're not well. I mean

998
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: they picked him in the fourth you know, Yeah, and

999
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: now that would be the best you could hope for. Yeah,

1000
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, if I was another team, I

1001
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: need to see more. But here's the the you know,

1002
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: here's another part of like sometimes like it's like the

1003
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: spot in the fortune. Like, so if Mac doesn't look

1004
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: good against Chicago, well, Max, the next game that Mac

1005
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: plays is going to be after a month of doing

1006
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: nothing right, and if he doesn't play well, he's gonna lose.

1007
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: It's something like, it's not it's just play. And again

1008
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: I sound like I'm an apologist for Mac. I'm not

1009
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: being an apologist. I like, I'm not over the top

1010
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: passionate defense of Mac. But it's not really like if

1011
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: he goes out there and what you mean if they

1012
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: score like ten points in the first half, Oh wait,

1013
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: that's what they just did this week, right right? When

1014
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: you perform as you know, a science experiment, like all

1015
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: the conditions I have to be, you know, a certain

1016
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: way in order to get a true result. How about this,

1017
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: and how about they play the possible? How about they

1018
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: played the Bears on Monday night and for some fluke

1019
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: of all flukes, the Bears offense doesn't turn it over

1020
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: right and if once to go eighty five yards for

1021
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: all their scores as opposed to take it over from

1022
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: the eight yard line right like Bailey's appy does every

1023
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: other possession. I wonder, so if Mac does start on Monday,

1024
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: are they going to put the training wheels back on

1025
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: just to see what he does? Yeah, instead of going

1026
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: back to what they were trying to do when he

1027
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: was in there. That's I think that's what I'm looking for.

1028
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: And then also or maybe they do a hybrid of doing,

1029
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: like maybe put the training wheels on for the first

1030
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: couple of drives and see what happens, and then they can,

1031
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, go back to what they were trying to

1032
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: install them. And then let's just say they do put

1033
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: the training wheels on, then we'll come out of it, go, well,

1034
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: that wasn't a true test for Mac. We learned nothing. Yeah,

1035
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, Mike completed what if what if they

1036
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: play what if they play Mac in the first and

1037
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: third quard, right, and then they got a Baileys. You

1038
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: put in Mac first and second down, you bring in

1039
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: Bailey actual ability. Yeah, come Bailey comes out for third down.

1040
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: I would not I would not want to see the

1041
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: Boston Max. You know, I would not want to see that.

1042
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: If Max's gonna start, he needs put the whole game.

1043
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: If you can, like, I like babe. Yeah, a mess.

1044
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: It's like Zappy. It just makes you happy to say it.

1045
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: Two quiet, Yeah, completion, bro. You know he's leading the

1046
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: league and rating. You don't know that I can I

1047
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: wrap up. I just doesn't. He just doesn't have enough attempts.

1048
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: And I rad a lost some Zappy stats real quick.

1049
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: I just thought they were interesting. Um, eighteen point four

1050
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: screen percent second highest, uh six point seven, average depth

1051
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: of target fourth lowest eight point six deep one percentage

1052
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: six lowest zero big time throws someone seventy one point

1053
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: six dropbacks are play actions. Someone swallowed Greg Borgards. So yeah,

1054
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: is that it is that? What he wrote to I

1055
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: was actually I lifted this. I should give credit. Actually

1056
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: I lifted from Dug Kite. So um, but yeah, I

1057
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: just I think it's just all reinforces like they're they're

1058
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: they're doing what they did with Mac last year with him.

1059
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: That's why it looks the same. And this is where

1060
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: I go back to my whole theory about his rookie year.

1061
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: Verse Like Peyton Manning's rookie year, Peyton Manning was allowed

1062
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: to make stakes his rookie year, and he made a

1063
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: lot of him. He had more interceptions than he did touchdowns.

1064
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: Mac wasn't allowed to make mistakes. This year he is

1065
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: and now oh guess what, He's got three touchdowns and

1066
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: five interceptions, So this is really his rookie year to

1067
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: make mistakes, you know, And it's hard to find. It's

1068
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: it's hard to like. You know. Again, I'm like Paul,

1069
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm making excuses for Mac, But I

1070
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: think that's just the reality. No, I think there's something

1071
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: in there for sure. And and that's why I think

1072
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: the question I'd love to hear answer, which you'll never get.

1073
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: But just as you know, what, what was the coaching

1074
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: staff's philosophy with these like pushing the ball down the field?

1075
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think my interpretation, as I've said, is

1076
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: that we need to have more chunk plays to compete

1077
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: in this modern NFL. And if we want to be

1078
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: a playoff team, a team that conte with the best

1079
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: teams in the AFC, you need to get all the

1080
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: ball down the field. You're not going to do it

1081
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing right now with Bailey's And if Mac,

1082
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: and if if the Breer story is true that Mac was,

1083
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, not on board in the off season, it

1084
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: might have been less you know the fact that Patricia

1085
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: and Judge were his coaches, in the fact that why

1086
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: are we changing the offense? Like I don't really care

1087
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: who the coaches are, but like, why don't we build

1088
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: on what we did last year? You know? According to him,

1089
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: and this is Bert, and I heard him talking a

1090
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: lot about this over the last few weeks, and according

1091
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: to him, it's both okay, wondering why they're doing this

1092
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: in the first place, and then why are we changing

1093
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: the offense as well? But the one phrase that that

1094
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: Bert keeps using that resonates with me is he describes

1095
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: Mac and Alex if you remember, as a why he's

1096
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: a big He's asking why he's a big? Why guy?

1097
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? I don't think there's anything wrong

1098
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: with it, but I think Bill Belichick probably does. I

1099
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: think Bill Belichick loves talking fo football and I love

1100
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: talking football with a guy who has the bonafliages to

1101
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: do it. Oh yeah, fair enough. There's a difference between

1102
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: talking football and like, for example, your kid. It's a

1103
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: difference between having a conversation with your kid about something.

1104
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: But they always questioning why you're telling them to do

1105
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: something over and over. That's annoying. I get that I

1106
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: had a dollar every time I said something precisely because

1107
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: I said so right, I promised myself that I would

1108
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: never do that to my kids. Can you do it? Promised?

1109
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this on this week? Because I said,

1110
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: but they're not dealing with a three year old, that

1111
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: dealing with a man. And so I think he has

1112
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: a right to say how come we're doing this? But

1113
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: in comparison, what do you see that says we should

1114
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: do this? I want my quarterback to be questioning and

1115
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: have input. And now, of course there's always a limit,

1116
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, once we've made the decision, that's it. Having

1117
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: having input is certainly understandable. But I think that that's

1118
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: part of what the rift with Brady and Belichick was like,

1119
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: is Brady constantly pushing back? Like I'm not sure that

1120
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: that's something that Belichick welcomes, certainly not out of a

1121
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: second year of quarterback. There's there's a point, there's a point.

1122
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: But I do want my quarterback being inquisitive and understanding

1123
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: the concept, the why behind what we're doing. Yeah, and

1124
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: that if you understand that, you do it better if

1125
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: you understand the concept. It's like anything you learn in school.

1126
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: Like I was. I was not a good learner, especially

1127
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: when it came to math. But once I understood the why,

1128
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: for example, behind algebra, I could teach it. So is

1129
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: the why people need to know? The why? Is the

1130
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: why because he's actually that curious or he wants it

1131
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: broken down? Or is it because the media narrative all

1132
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: year was what the hell are the Pats doing with

1133
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia? What what are they doing on offensive? Yeah,

1134
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: we don't know the conversation. No, and I don't. This

1135
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: is someone else's report. We don't to tell you what

1136
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: he meant by it. Yeah, I just I heard Matt

1137
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: Hasselbeck one time talking about his career and he said,

1138
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I really started to hit another level when I started

1139
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: asking why. Now, that was more in the context of

1140
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: why are we calling this play? I think, you know,

1141
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: a lot of young quarterbacks probably I get the play call.

1142
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: I call the play. But he said, you know, when

1143
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: I started asking why are we calling this play? And

1144
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: that was when his understanding went to a new level.

1145
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: So I like that aspect of it. But I like

1146
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: that aspect of it too, I think, And again I

1147
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: don't know what Albert Brewer is reporting exactly. I think

1148
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: the whys that he's talking about are big. Why are

1149
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: we hiring defensive coaches to run offense? Okay? Why are

1150
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: we changing everything we do to cater to these coaches

1151
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: that have never coached this offense? That's what I think.

1152
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: His why is not like why why are we run

1153
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: them ball? There? Yeah, you know, big, bigger picture stuff, right,

1154
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: And like you don't like if I'm Bill Belichick, you

1155
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: don't need to know why this is what we're doing.

1156
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: And because I'm the head coach, right and there is

1157
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: a certain level I feel like of the head coach

1158
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: of like I'm not going around explaining every decision I

1159
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: make in the organization. And that's how I took it. Again,

1160
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: I might be reading into it too much, but that's

1161
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: how I took what Alex was talking about with that

1162
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: Brier stuff for over the weekend. Okay, back to the phones,

1163
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: we'll go to Matt and Florida. What's up, Mac? Are

1164
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: we doing happy Zappy Tuesday? I put him down as

1165
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: against National. I'm not off the Zappy train, but I

1166
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: have one question, um, and another one to make um.

1167
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that Max Leash is tighter now with

1168
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: what they've seen from bley Zappy? And I also wanted

1169
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: to make a point, not a question, since when did

1170
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: we become a deep ball team? Because the last time

1171
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: I remember, the Patriot offense is flant short passes, screens,

1172
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: having a game manager and a decision maker in there,

1173
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: not something. Mac is not the guy to throw a

1174
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: deep ball, and quite frankly, I don't know who is

1175
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: going to go down the field to catch that deep ball,

1176
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: if Matt, if Matt can even get it there. Okay,

1177
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: so let me just ask you. I'm gonna ask I'm

1178
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna answer your question by asking a question, what was

1179
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: the last time you felt the Patriots had a really

1180
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: good offense? Oh? Years now? Right? Years? So I think

1181
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: that's the answer is to why are they trying to

1182
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: throw the ball downfield because they're trying to do something

1183
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: different because what they're what they've done has been successful

1184
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: to a point, but limited in today's NFL. Right, I

1185
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: feel like that, well it yeah, I mean it's been

1186
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: limited now that we have Bailey in there. It was

1187
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: limited last year. Oh yeah, limited last year too, and

1188
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: the year in the year before and in the year

1189
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: before by the way, with Tom Brady. Yeah, although they

1190
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: were they still in top five numbers wise, they were

1191
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: probably top ten last year because they score fifty against

1192
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Jets, right right, that's true. Ob skewed.

1193
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: He's not, no Josh Allen no have an arm like that. No, no,

1194
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: No one would ever confuse his physical skills with Josh Allen's.

1195
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: I would agree with you one. But I think that

1196
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: they are trying to They're trying to include things in

1197
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: their looks to just make keep defenses honest. And I'll

1198
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: go back again to last year. The Patriots were easy

1199
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: to defend. I mean, you gotta like, you gotta remember,

1200
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: you've got to remember that that's what people were thinking.

1201
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: Other teams were thinking about the Patriots, and the Patriots

1202
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: got had to get out of that. They had to

1203
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: get out of that, right, and when you're exceptionally skilled,

1204
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: thanks Matt, you can run a lot of you know,

1205
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: quick slants and in quick option routes and throw it

1206
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: to the backs because you have Julian Edelman and Wes

1207
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: Welker and you know, James White and Tom Brady and

1208
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: you can execute at a ridiculously high level with Rob

1209
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: grunk House he going down the scene, by the way,

1210
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: when you start losing those pieces and it becomes good players,

1211
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: because I think they have good players on offense. I

1212
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: think Parker's been good. I think Myers has been better

1213
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: than good. You know, but it's different, they're not they're predecessors.

1214
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: Where can we all agree on that? Yeah? Right? And

1215
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: I think he touched upon a little, i mean an

1216
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: element just to expand upon it. It's like Tom Brady

1217
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: was able to execute ten twelve fourteen play drives and

1218
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: getting you into the right look and if he had

1219
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: to just dink and dunking down the field, he had

1220
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: no problem. What would have happened if tom Brady's offense

1221
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: got six pre snap penalties, they would have overcome them.

1222
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: They would have Now that's time might have killed them first.

1223
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, But that's part of that's part of

1224
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: what third and twelve, that's part of what impressed me

1225
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: though on Sundays. They did overcome some of those, not

1226
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: all of them, but some of them. You know, like

1227
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: early in the game, first drive, it's third and four

1228
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: and Trent Brown jumps outside, makes it a third and nine.

1229
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: He converts it. Yep, you know, I think that was

1230
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: the one to Parker down the sideline. They convert a

1231
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: third and nine. That was game set match for the

1232
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: most part over the last year and a half. Yeah,

1233
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, you make a third and four, third and nine,

1234
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: they're not gonna thing. And and I would push back

1235
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: just a little bit on that color that I think

1236
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: Mac has has some downfield ability. I don't think he

1237
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: has a you know, a plus arm or anything like that.

1238
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: Any quarterback has the ability to get the ball. But

1239
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: I think he can make those throws. He has some

1240
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: touch and some anticipation. Watch two training camps with him.

1241
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean, look at two his numbers now, like two

1242
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: of doesn't have a big arm, right, He's getting the ball.

1243
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean before he got hurt, he was getting the

1244
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: ball downfield. Yeah, So I mean, I just I don't

1245
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: think that Max's arm is like, well, we can't do that.

1246
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's he's fine, like, but I

1247
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: just think it's totally necessary. And I think we spent

1248
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: so much time talking about an offensive evolution. You can

1249
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: make us with the Shanahan offense, whatever that means. And

1250
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: in reality, I think the bigger difference of it is

1251
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: trying to get the ball downfield, drafting fast guys, getting

1252
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: a contested catch, guy getting Thornton explosive place. Uh, let's see.

1253
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: Ford is in Savannah, Georgia. Oh it was a Ford once?

1254
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: Who should I put that? Should that before or against? Ford?

1255
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: It's an American vehicle that's pretty pretty good Man to Savannah. No, Savannah,

1256
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't think. No. I don't think I've ever been

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Speaker 1: how are you love your show? Guys? Oh? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: It's difficult. Just question you know. It's funny, Like everyone

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Speaker 1: likes talk about Mike and Zapping. Yeah, I think both

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Speaker 1: bit better. Um, just if Mark, when he come back,

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Speaker 1: That's possible. Now another thing, it's always funny when you

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01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: is the email address? A couple quick emails. Um Cody

1464
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: in Indiana says, count me in for the firm Mac column. Um.

1465
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: He thinks they have similar skills, but Mac has the experience,

1466
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: so he's one from Mac. Okay, got it? Um, let's see, Dada,

1467
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: this person didn't give us one. I'm just trying to

1468
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: go to Garrett Gilbert. Um, let's see Matt and Ohio

1469
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: mark me down for Mac. Zappy did look better this

1470
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: game and had great pocket presents. And I have to

1471
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: admit I have a touch of a fever. But I

1472
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: am a little worried with Max's attitude and Zappy doing

1473
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: whatever the coach is asking him. So he goes on

1474
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: and on, but but but he's for Mac. Yeah, that's

1475
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: otherwise known as the Brian Morey. Yeah, cover all bases

1476
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: with my prediction. Um, let's see, uh, Jared Write says,

1477
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: count me in on Zappy. I know it's crazy, but

1478
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: he passes the eye tests. I haven't seen the offense

1479
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: look normal in a long time. It's starting to now

1480
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: this is crazy. Yeah, UM give me Zappy Olivier. I

1481
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: don't know if this is the same one, but he says,

1482
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: I just think Mac. It's Mac's job to have unless

1483
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: he's not performing, which is fair. So I guess he's

1484
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: from Mac. Did you guys do similar stuff like this

1485
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: for Brady and Bledsoe? Is this? Is this having flashbacks

1486
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: at all? A little? Yeah, that's why I'm having fun.

1487
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: Paula whatever those like for you? I mean you did you?

1488
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: I was Brady? Yeah, you can ask Red. I was initially,

1489
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I told you. I mean yeah. The first

1490
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: game they handed the ball off, they had two pick

1491
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: sixes and they did nothing. Brady was like through for

1492
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: like one hundred and something yards. The next game they

1493
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: went down to Miami and get killed, and he looked overwhelmed.

1494
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: The next game, he threw fifty four passes against the

1495
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: Charges and rallied him from a ten point fourth quarter

1496
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: deficit in one and overtime. And I said that was different.

1497
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: That was different. It's kind of like what I'm I'm

1498
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: not comparing the two situations, but Sunday in Cleveland was

1499
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: different for Zappy. He didn't just hand the ball up.

1500
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: They couldn't run the ball. They didn't run the ball

1501
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: effectively all day. They had one good run. Brandon writes

1502
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: in he says, why are we trying to pick Mac

1503
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 1: is our guy until he shows us otherwise? The offense

1504
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: is getting better and showing growth. Put Mac in it,

1505
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: and I think we're better. So the interesting thing, though,

1506
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: Paul about it is is Bledsoe was tall and had

1507
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: a arm on him, like he had a physical set

1508
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: that an average fan watching a game would be like

1509
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: that guy's in an NFL quarterback and Brady not, you

1510
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like so worse here trying to

1511
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: split hairs between what's the difference from Mac and and

1512
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: and and and Bailey. He's happy, but you know, it

1513
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: must have been a lot harder to do that when

1514
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: you had first overall pick who had the full A

1515
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: lot of people myself included, were you know, you got

1516
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: to get him some help. He has no running game,

1517
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: The defense stanks, they have no receivers. It's it's just

1518
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: basically like Terry Glenn and that's it. And then Terry

1519
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: Glenn was like off the reservation and you know, wasn't

1520
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: wasn't part of the program. And then Brady went in

1521
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: with the same personnel and it looked a lot better,

1522
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: Like you couldn't ignore it. Yeah, yeah, and I'm not

1523
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: going to tell you that I I was like instantly

1524
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: on board, but it was quick. It was like a

1525
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: month in. I was like, this guy's he's playing better.

1526
01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: Same guys. Yeah, A couple quick more um um, and

1527
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: then we'll go back to the phones. David and Maine. Uh,

1528
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: sounds like he's a Bailey guy, says, Bailey's mobility buys

1529
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: time when the first option isn't there. I want to

1530
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: see more. I don't see much more from Mac, so

1531
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: I guess he would be a zappy guy. George is

1532
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: going to be one side George, and Texas says count

1533
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: me in for Mac. Chris in Virginia. I've always been

1534
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: a Mac guy, and I would start him if he's healthy.

1535
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna lie this past weekend look very

1536
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: similar to last year. I want to know your guy's

1537
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: opinion on ben Voland's take on Mac Jones needing to

1538
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: be Humbled. I just watched that video a few seconds ago. Yeah,

1539
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't have much take on so I guess he's

1540
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: a Mac guy. I'm not sure. Yeah, he's a Mac guy. Okay,

1541
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: all right? Finding and interesting that most of the emails

1542
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: are Mac guys. Yeah, and the callers have been zappy

1543
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: and and I have a read the writers are more

1544
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: thoughtful exactly Fred, thank you Wow. Emailing though is also

1545
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: there's a level of like not count on amenity, but

1546
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: like if you're calling in, it's your voice, like take

1547
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: some right, some four, though you might get a pit

1548
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: bull over here coming after you if you if you're

1549
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: not today, not today guy, not after that win. Let's

1550
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: go back to the phones eight five pats, five hundred.

1551
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: We'll start with Vinnie in Vegas. What's up? Vinnie? Hey, guys, um,

1552
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: what a different game maker? I think I think I

1553
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 1: think that this can you guys hear me? Okay? Yeah,

1554
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what are you saying today

1555
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: or what's going on? No, you know, you know you're

1556
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: making me think I have AT and T, and lately

1557
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: my reception has been horrible. I actually have really thought

1558
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: about changing terriers. I've been with ATC for twenty years.

1559
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's AT and T or the

1560
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: wind in the background. How about macro Zappy? Yeah, well,

1561
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: so here's the thing. I'm gonna give you my five

1562
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: cents on this. I think right now, even the most

1563
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: sovereign at least willing to speak into the possibility of

1564
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 1: Sappy right. And I think that for me is a

1565
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: matter of expectation, not just the fans expectation, but also

1566
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: the pressure or the weight that that puts from the quarterback. Right. Uh.

1567
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: We were talking about this at the beginning of the season.

1568
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: If it was all a Mac, right Mac. If Mac

1569
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: is good, we're gonna be good. If Mac is bad,

1570
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna be terrible. Right, And so we taught me

1571
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 1: there was no expectation and no pressure on him. He

1572
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: can just go out and play and you know, whatever

1573
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: he does, who's gonna be awesome. Right. So I am,

1574
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: I am a Mac guy, but I do I do

1575
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: think that he is that he has no confidence right now.

1576
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: The expectation is too much on him, and I think

1577
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: he is struggling because of that, but I still think

1578
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: that he should still be given the chance to come

1579
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: back and play and keep his job. Okay, thanks Benny,

1580
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it. James and new Haven is a zappy guy,

1581
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: he says. His instincts tell him it's Bailey zappy. It's

1582
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: a much longer explaining then, I'm not going to get

1583
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: into didn't read. Let's go to Ryan and Florida. What's up? Ryan? Friends? Hello? Guy? Hello?

1584
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: I want I have a one question. What since the

1585
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: good run of last year with Mac? What it has

1586
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: been his record since the bye week. I'm just curious

1587
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: because it's terrible, meaning we've watched them grow and then

1588
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: kind of go backwards. So the guy right two and

1589
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: seven because they went and two, they went one and

1590
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: four down the stretch counting the playoff game and they

1591
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: were one, one and two. County said he was a

1592
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: zappy guy. Yeah, I put him down for zappy. Cody's

1593
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: in Nova Scotia. What's up, Cody? Hey, how's everybody doing? Right? Uh?

1594
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: Firmly put me down for Mac and Paul's little pole. Okay, firmly. Um.

1595
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: I just I can't understand all the love that Zapp

1596
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: he's getting for the Green Bay in the line game.

1597
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous that we're giving him credit for

1598
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: not coop himself. Wow, Like I I he deserves a

1599
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: little credit for that. Yeah, green Bay game, I think

1600
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: he deserves a little credit for not But we'll be

1601
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: on that now. Yeah. Like, I'll totally give him credit

1602
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: for the Cleveland game because he played, He played his

1603
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: tale off. He didn't never run a game, he didn't

1604
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: have anything else going for them. But at the same time, like,

1605
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: I can't give him credit for handing the ball off

1606
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 1: and throwing the ball a couple of times against Green Bay. Yeah. Yeah,

1607
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he played anything special against green Bay,

1608
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: but I do give him some credit for holding it

1609
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: together under probably the worst of circumstances. Yeah, but I agree.

1610
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: I agree with Cody. I don't think he did anything

1611
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: in that game. Yep, yep. But wait, thanks guys, Okay,

1612
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: thanks Cody. We'll go to Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean, Sean? Yeah, Well,

1613
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: if Mac is one hundred percent this week, I'm going

1614
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: to play him on Monday night. If he's ready, Yeah,

1615
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: I want him out there. But if he doesn't end

1616
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: Zappy plays really well like he did uh in Cleveland,

1617
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: then you know, I think I might change my mind

1618
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: and I think i'd continue with that because now I

1619
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: don't know that momentum would be going for for real

1620
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: and you might be seeing something that I'll go to

1621
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: the panel. So let's just say, Okay, so if Max's ready,

1622
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 1: you play him, if Mac doesn't, If not ready and

1623
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: Zappi plays, well, you want to stay with Mac. What

1624
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 1: if Mac is ready, he plays and he doesn't play

1625
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: that well, then what what would you do? I go

1626
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: back to Zappi to go back to Zappie after one game?

1627
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: So it sounds like a like a Zappy guy. Yeah,

1628
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Like, so who do you want?

1629
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: Come on, I want I want Mac. Who do you

1630
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: think is better? Who's your quarterback for the rest of

1631
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: Who do you think is better? Who's your guy the

1632
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: rest of the season. I can't predict now, but I

1633
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: think you play a better quarterback. Okay, so I'm going

1634
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: to put you down for mat he has more guils,

1635
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: all right, that's okay, Okay, all right, I think that

1636
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: the way he's going back and forth, it's a great

1637
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: question though. It's like if you play him on Monday

1638
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: night versus a Bears team who is bad. Yeah, yeah, bad.

1639
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say questionable because it was like, I don't

1640
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should say bad, but bad

1641
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: um if he doesn't play well against them, but they

1642
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: also dialed back the offense a little bit and they're

1643
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: not forcing him to throw those deep balls and he

1644
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: still doesn't do well? Is that rust? Or is that? Yeah? Well,

1645
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: here a lot of things, But here's the scenario we

1646
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: haven't even brought up yet. But what if Zappie plays

1647
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: terribly against Chicago? Then what? I don't know if I yea,

1648
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 1: that's like consider people were off Mac. What do they do?

1649
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: They have no where to go? They were with May.

1650
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: But I also just I don't I don't see that

1651
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: happening against a Bears team that is good. See, I

1652
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: could see it happening. I could see it happening any week. Yeah,

1653
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: it gets behind it. I mean a fumble, they score

1654
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: a touchdown, and they're down in a hole. Yeah, And

1655
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about losing the game. I'm talking about

1656
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: not like if Cleveland just didn't turn the ball over

1657
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: the other day, what is the final score of that game?

1658
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: Twenty four. Probably, I don't think they three. I mean,

1659
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 1: if Cleveland doesn't turn the ball over in that game,

1660
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 1: I think that's that's going to be a competitive game.

1661
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean, if they just kicked

1662
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: the extra point with six minutes left, it's a one

1663
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: touchdown game. I mean you could say the same for

1664
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: the Lions too. I mean, take away their million fourth

1665
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: down stops that they didn't get and they could have

1666
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: kicked field goals all for all those that's right. Um

1667
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: Anthony writes in UM count me as pro Zappy, but

1668
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: not by much. Neither of these guys give me much

1669
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: excitement for the future. I think they're both average to

1670
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: blow average. It's just signed Paul wow Dan and Main

1671
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: definitely for Jones, but Zappy will be a solid backup

1672
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: if the ankle injury lingers Tim from New Hampshire, Mac

1673
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: with a leash she's never had on him. If he

1674
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: plays like Baltimore prior to the picks, I want Mac.

1675
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: If he comes out playing like he did against Miami,

1676
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: I want Zappy. Yeah. Well, okay, let me I put

1677
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: him down for Mac because I think he's saying that

1678
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: the ceiling is higher with Mack Okay, can I jump

1679
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: in one second, because I think I speak fan. It's

1680
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: something Tamara said, like, you know, if if Mac comes

1681
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: back and all of a sudden, they're making them just

1682
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: do the things that Zappy did, Like I'm not gonna

1683
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: be like reassured or excited about it, Like like if

1684
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: he comes back, like they need to do things that

1685
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: a second year quarterback needs to be doing. Like if

1686
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: all he comes back and he's got a governor on

1687
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: him like Zappy and they just play Zappy. If that's

1688
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: how you feel about this, there's like a a philosophical

1689
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: debate that you could have, Like Fred always talks about

1690
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning when he was a rookie, you know, through

1691
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 1: a ton of interceptions because they just they took him

1692
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: and they decided he's got all this talent. We're just

1693
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna let him learn on the fly and learn what

1694
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: he can do and make plays and make mistakes. And

1695
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: we know we're not a good team, we're gonna live

1696
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: with it because we think he's so good that we're

1697
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: going to be better off in the long run. The Patriots,

1698
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: on the other hand, said, we're gonna monitor this guy

1699
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: and micromanage everything he does. And Josh mcjanals is going

1700
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: to keep him out of harm's way. We're not even

1701
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 1: gonna let him throw the ball into the end zone

1702
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: for like five games. And do you think and there's

1703
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: a philosophical argument just to really strongly say which one

1704
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: of those is a better idea? Right? But what did

1705
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: you learn? And you know, and I also think, like

1706
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 1: it's not said, but I think they were desperate to

1707
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: get back into the playoffs last year. I do too.

1708
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: That's why I said, I think this is a really

1709
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: good argument to be made that sacrificing the mistakes to

1710
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: best put you in position to win games and make

1711
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: the playoffs may have been the right move, but it

1712
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: may not have for the overall development and growth of

1713
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, right, because he should have been learning through

1714
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: some of the mistakes he made in the first three games.

1715
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: What last year? What am I? What are my abilities?

1716
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: You know? What can I do? What can't I do? What?

1717
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 1: And that's a very simplistic look at what I think

1718
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: is a pretty in depth discussion, right. And I would say,

1719
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: you know, both those quarterbacks were lucky they had good

1720
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: coaching staffs, whereas like someone like Trevor Lawrence last year

1721
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: who didn't have a good look at how much better

1722
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: he looks this year than last year. He's not, that's

1723
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: not just expece. Should suthe him for non support? You could?

1724
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 1: You could say about Justin Fields, I'm like, is he

1725
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 1: a bust or is he just being mishandled right now? Why? Why?

1726
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: What's happening with it? Yeah? I think that's coaching malpractice?

1727
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: What's going on with them? The fact that he fred

1728
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,719
Speaker 1: Do you know he's thrown one hundred and fifteen passes

1729
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: and been sacked twenty three times? Wow, twenty three times

1730
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: on one hundred and fifteen Well whatever on sack pace? Yeah,

1731
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 1: well he he won't know because he's not going to

1732
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: throw the ball. They won't let him throw it because

1733
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: they can't protect him. Now, part of that is that

1734
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: he holds the ball too long too, But he's been

1735
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: sacked on twenty percent of his drop back? Did you

1736
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: see him on the sideline? Like they've already made memes

1737
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: about it, Like, I guess he has breathing exercises. I

1738
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: now Mac does too, But like I felt bad for

1739
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: the poor kid, you know, and it's not like listen,

1740
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: he's not played. Well, I'm not trying to tell you

1741
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: this is a star in the making, but he's being mismanaged. Yeah,

1742
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: he hasn't played well, but they stink and the coaches stink.

1743
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we figure it out. It's hard for us

1744
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: to understand how hard it is to be a quarterback

1745
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's a tough, tough position. Yeah, it

1746
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 1: really is the fact that he's throwing twenty five passes

1747
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: in the game once is I mean, how are you

1748
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: developing a quarterback if you don't let him throw? Right?

1749
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: Jeffson Texas, Hey, Jeff, Hi, guys, how are you doing good?

1750
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Goodead Hey, A couple of things. First off, so, um,

1751
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 1: I will say um on the quarterbacks, it's it's Max's

1752
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 1: position to um to uh, you know, to lose. So

1753
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna we have reasonable listeners. Yeah, yeah, I mean

1754
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: he's he's got to continue to do better. I like Zaffie,

1755
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 1: but it's Max's position. I think, UM. And what I

1756
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: really want to talk about, guys, Frank, can we can

1757
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: we have a little fun to talk about the schedule

1758
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at the schedule and it's just there're

1759
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: just there's you know, like Mike mentioned, uh, you know,

1760
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: what's going to happen when we play elite teams? But

1761
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: you know who who's elite? There's like the Bills, uh

1762
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: and the Eagles, yeah right right? Who else would you

1763
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: put in this elite? I mean puts up there? Yeah,

1764
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: and uh the Philadelphia and Buffalo right yeah? Yeah? But

1765
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: what but what do you what do you think in

1766
01:31:55,439 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: comparison to uh, like Cleveland and to say Detroit, where

1767
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: would you put like Cincinnati in Minnesota? Yeah, I would

1768
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: put in Minnesota up. I think they're going to be

1769
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 1: very tough. The Jets could be tough. But other than that,

1770
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: you look at the Cardinals or at the bottom of

1771
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 1: the division. And I didn't ask you about the Cardinals.

1772
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: I asked about the Bengals and the Bills and the

1773
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Dolphins and should be tough, and about the Raiders, like

1774
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: the Raiders have talent, Like these are teams that have

1775
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: more talent than you. They have talent, but there there

1776
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 1: at the bottom, they're one and four. I mean, okay, well,

1777
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: so you you spent the whole first pat of the

1778
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: season on the bottom and everybody thought the Patriots were

1779
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: really good. One in three team, Remember, Jeff, I played

1780
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: your game Sunday morning before I went down the schedule.

1781
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: So okay, so here here's my point to that. If

1782
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: you look at all the teams right now, all the

1783
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 1: win lost, there's majority or three and three. So most

1784
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: teams are mediocre. Right, And so now if you talk

1785
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 1: about all the mediocre teams, there's some that are rising

1786
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: and that are very questionable don't look good. So I

1787
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 1: think the Pakers are a rising mediocre team. Um, yeah,

1788
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,480
Speaker 1: because they played the terrible teams to get to mediocre.

1789
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 1: When they played the good teams, they lost. Yeah. But

1790
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: my but my point is that most of the teams,

1791
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 1: if you look at the look at the win lost,

1792
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: most of the teams are mediocre. I understand that Baltimore

1793
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 1: was one of those mediocre teams that beat you. This

1794
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,600
Speaker 1: is my point, Like, I don't care what your record is,

1795
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: how good are their players? Like, when you play Detroit,

1796
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna win because they don't have any players. When

1797
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: you play Pittsburgh, you're gonna win. But but on the thing,

1798
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: But okay, but still, like maybe the Cardinals aren't gonna

1799
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 1: do that well. I mean, the Cardinals aren't very good.

1800
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 1: That's not one of the teams I'm worried about. But

1801
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:50,799
Speaker 1: who are you worried about Buffalo, Cincinnati, Miami, the Raiders,

1802
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: Like I worried about those teams. Why are you worried

1803
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: about Miami? They're they're a mess right now? Yeah, I know,

1804
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 1: but their quarterback will eventually come back and play. And

1805
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: you know what, when when you play with your third

1806
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: string quarterback and you play against Cincinnati in Minnesota, it's

1807
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more difficult than when you do it

1808
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: against Detroit and Cleveland. That's why. So I have respect

1809
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: for the talent I you know, jeff I, Now if

1810
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: two one doesn't play the rest of the year and

1811
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 1: they just think, okay, I won't worry about that game anymore.

1812
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: But I think two's coming back. Yeah, and the Raiders,

1813
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: you know. And and did you watch like the first

1814
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: quarter and a half of the preseason game with the

1815
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: Raiders and there's nothing there like when their backups like

1816
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: smacked you all over the place. Well, you can't judge

1817
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: any but I'm just talking about talent. That's just that's

1818
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: not game plan or anything like. That's just like men

1819
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: playing against mess. And Jeff I, I went through the

1820
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: exercise Sunday morning before the game. I went down on

1821
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: schedule and you know, I have them splitting the West

1822
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: Coast games. You know, I don't think they can. You know,

1823
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: I think it's unreasonable thing you're gonna win both of those.

1824
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: I have them losing both of the Bills games. I

1825
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: still have them coming out eight and nine, maybe nine

1826
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: and eight, you know, but there's not gonna be enough things.

1827
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 1: I think you could win nine or ten years, and

1828
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: I think they could make the playoffs, but I don't

1829
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 1: think they're much different than they were last year. Yeah, Okay.

1830
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 1: The only thing that gives me hope for the future

1831
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 1: is there's more young guys being involved in it this year,

1832
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: which I feel better about it. Yeah, I mean, I

1833
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: hopefully they're playing better at the end of the year.

1834
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 1: I'mlike last year. Yeah, you know, that's that's what you

1835
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: want to look. But I just think you should be

1836
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 1: on the you should be aware that that's probably not

1837
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: going to happen based on the schedule. Again. Yeah, yeah,

1838
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: I think they'll make the playoffs. But I think they

1839
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: could make the playoffs. But you know, I don't, you know, like, yeah,

1840
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to don't feel any better about going

1841
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,560
Speaker 1: into them beat the players. They're gonna have to beat Minnesota.

1842
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a tough game. They're gonna have to

1843
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: beat the Jets twice. I think that's gonna be the

1844
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 1: Jets twice. But yeah, I think they could beat the

1845
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: Jets twice. I think that's hardest. Another thing that I

1846
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: kind of thought is thanks we're talking on Sunday about

1847
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: the Colts. I didn't realize. I just messed up. I

1848
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 1: thought that game was on the road. That's a hood,

1849
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: so that's a that's a more winnable guy. I think

1850
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: the Colts are no gimme no. The Coults are another

1851
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: team that has talent, and sooner or later, some of

1852
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna actually be putting playing, you know,

1853
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 1: like Shaq, Shaquille, Leonard U and Jonathan Taylor who haven't played,

1854
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, the balance of the season, and they're still

1855
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: over five hundred. Like that team, that might not be

1856
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: an easy game, and in like three weeks from now,

1857
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 1: the Colts game, Kelly says, Zappy one hundred percent should

1858
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 1: start the next game. No need to make a decision

1859
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,560
Speaker 1: about the whole season now. But he put in a

1860
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: ton of work and was spectacular. I like Mack and

1861
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 1: was very excited for him to join our team over

1862
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. I wanted him during his draft, but Zappi

1863
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 1: is clearly better today. Team Zappy all the way. Okay, wow, Wow,

1864
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 1: let's get back to the phones. We'll go to SPI

1865
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 1: and Fresno. Hey Speed, Hey Paul, Paul. Little Polo has

1866
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: grown to an impressive size. I gotta lead into that.

1867
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: I gotta go U, I gotta go with, gotta go

1868
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 1: with mac. He's I just haven't had enough sample size

1869
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 1: that he's like a first round pick he got. I

1870
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: gotta give him at least two seasons in order to

1871
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: took At the same time, I'm I kind of week

1872
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: the week, day by day. I mean, I like what

1873
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 1: I like? I like what what the vast did there?

1874
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta a question for you. Got the

1875
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 1: first drive because I really was impressed with that, the

1876
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 1: compensating for the pretnap penalties, the lack of production in

1877
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: the run game on the opening drive, and but then

1878
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: that path to a Hunter Henry where so what's the foul?

1879
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: Because Hunter Henry got pushed out of bound. That's legal,

1880
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 1: come back in and he took a couple of steps. Yeah,

1881
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: that's legal. Um, And I did look this up, Fred,

1882
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why the referee said he went out

1883
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: of bounds on his own as if that that the

1884
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: penalty that confused a lot of people. I looked it

1885
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:02,520
Speaker 1: up and they eliminated that um and I think sixteen

1886
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 1: they both, I don't know, five six years ago. If

1887
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: you go out of bounds, you can't be the first

1888
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 1: guy to touch it when you come back in, even

1889
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 1: if you re established. And they changed it to a

1890
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: loss of down, so you wouldn't benefit from that. In

1891
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: other words, that would have been a doover, right if

1892
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 1: they had just called it a regular penalty instead it's

1893
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: a loss of down, and they didn't even if he

1894
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: was pushed. Thatappy was out of the pocket, which allows

1895
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 1: for some contact, and it was minimal contact anyway. But

1896
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: but that's what confused me, he said, the runner the

1897
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 1: player went out on his own accord. Yeah, if I

1898
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: don't know why he said that, based on what I

1899
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 1: looked up yesterday, it doesn't really make much sense. Yeah,

1900
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 1: but he also he also had a bush. He also

1901
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 1: had a weird thing with the illegal bat where he

1902
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: said the penalty would be enforced from the line of scrimmage.

1903
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't it was enforced from the spot of the sack.

1904
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 1: So in other words, the Patriots aren't penalized for the

1905
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: guy committing a penalty, like you should benefit from that.

1906
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 1: So it was whatever the loss of yards was on

1907
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 1: the sack. I think I think that they didn't. They

1908
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 1: got it right on the field, but they said it wrong.

1909
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: I think that was those guys had a tough day. Yeah,

1910
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: like they were. Their explanations were bad when it comes

1911
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: to similar but different, like with like if matth Slayer

1912
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: runs out of bounds now and on he can he

1913
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: now re establish himself first he is, that's always going

1914
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 1: to be No, if he's the first guy to touch it,

1915
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,680
Speaker 1: it's illegal touching, right, So they kept that one, but

1916
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: they I guess, okays the same thing is that also

1917
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 1: twenty and sixteen thing? Well, no, it's the loss of down.

1918
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 1: I think was the adjustment to the rules. Like I

1919
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 1: remember Slater going down on a punt or whatever it

1920
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: was and getting he said he was pushed out of bounds.

1921
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: He ran about ten twenty yards out of bounds, came

1922
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 1: back in and was the guy that made the tackle,

1923
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: and they called the penalty on him, and they're like,

1924
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: how can you you know, well, if anyone knows the rules,

1925
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: it's Matthew Slater. But but the thing was the first

1926
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 1: guy to make a play. No, that's not that. That

1927
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: penalty was. It's unsportsmanlike conduct. If you continue to run

1928
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:01,719
Speaker 1: out of bounds. Oh he didn't. When you get knocked

1929
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:03,640
Speaker 1: out of found, you have to come immediately back in

1930
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 1: as soon as you can. Oh okay, he ran about

1931
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: twenty yards down field on that play, right? I think

1932
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,360
Speaker 1: that happened last year? Was it last year? It might

1933
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: have been like you got you gotta be careful when

1934
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 1: you're going down on a planter speed. That's just that's

1935
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 1: just wow. Eldred Eldred is in Charlotte. It's Eldred batis

1936
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: not Eldred. What's up, Eldred lady? How y'all doing today?

1937
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 1: He hailer. I'm I'm not gonna either one of the bandwagon.

1938
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 1: Another Paul. Remember Paul last year? Last year I wanted

1939
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: to and I think, yeah, yeah, I like fields too.

1940
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:49,640
Speaker 1: But he hasn't played well. Wrong coaching, wrong system. I

1941
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: think it's Josh got him last year. You'd be a

1942
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 1: hit a lot better this year. But that's that's just

1943
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: my cake. So you you will not put a vote

1944
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: in for either one of them. You don't want either

1945
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: one of these guys to start Steve will Okay, who

1946
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: do you gotta look good? But but I would put

1947
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: Mac in. But I want to see him against the

1948
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 1: damn good defense like Buffalo or Minnesota and then go

1949
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:11,839
Speaker 1: from there. Yeah, you know, I know we're at Pittsburgh.

1950
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 1: You know, Pittsburgh was pretty good and Green Bay was

1951
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 1: so though, but uh, I want to see him, see

1952
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 1: either one of them against those defense and see how

1953
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 1: you operate. Then and Matt Patricia called the play. He's

1954
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: then and then out, you know, didn't you know? Yep,

1955
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: we'll see. Yeah that's wrong. But you put me down

1956
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 1: for Max. I did though, Now updating the stats at

1957
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 1: sixteen to nine, all right to blow up? Well, let's

1958
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 1: see Todd, it's in Greenville. What's up Todd? Still time

1959
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: any guys. I was just trying to figure out exactly

1960
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: how I would go with this. I kind of like

1961
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: what Zappy's been doing. He seems to be connecting with

1962
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 1: the teams up and I don't know. I don't know

1963
01:41:54,520 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: if I mak in there without without healthy because I

1964
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 1: think the fact that he watched somebody go into his

1965
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 1: team run the offense, I think marginally better than he did.

1966
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think there's too much difference

1967
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: between the two of them at the see. I don't

1968
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: think he ran his offense. He ran another offense. So

1969
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: but anyway, Yeah, was it really that different, Fred? I

1970
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: think it was like it was what it was last year.

1971
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't like anything to do with the way they

1972
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,600
Speaker 1: did in the first three games. But he did the

1973
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 1: same long throws he did a couple, No, he didn't.

1974
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: Might you want to throw the numbers out there again?

1975
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: Not as many? Sure you have it from THEE to Parker.

1976
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean I consider that a long throw. That was

1977
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: one Okay, well it was actually big time throws. It

1978
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 1: does that count as a big time throw? I don't know,

1979
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, I was talking about like the

1980
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: air yard thing. Yeah today in six point seven for Zappie,

1981
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 1: ten point four for Yeah, it's not even close, but

1982
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: you know yards okay in the year, right, Yeah, But

1983
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 1: I just don't want Mac back in there until he's

1984
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 1: mentally and physically and that's what I would like, So

1985
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. Guy, I know, well, I

1986
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 1: just I don't know if anybody's ever a one hundred

1987
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 1: percent like. He's not going to be one percent like.

1988
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 1: It's it's it's gonna be at some point he's gonna

1989
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: be playing when his ankle is not completely healed. And

1990
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 1: as you you know what I like to say, NFL

1991
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 1: players don't tend to get healthier as the season goes on.

1992
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: Vincent and Wilmington, North Carolina. Um, he's for Zappy, magical.

1993
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 1: Zappy showed something in less Tree games that mechanical Mac

1994
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:32,679
Speaker 1: has not shown in over a season. Zappy and it's

1995
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 1: got the fever. Let's talking about the that Magnus writes it?

1996
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: Or no, it's Chris from Maine. I think Mac needs

1997
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 1: to be given a long leash to be allowed to

1998
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 1: make mistakes and grow. Zappy's only a rookie. You won't

1999
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: lose anything by putting him on the back burner for

2000
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 1: a year. They need to see if Mac has potential

2001
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 1: to eventually be a franchise quarterback that can make a

2002
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 1: deep playoff run. Being blinded by Zappy fever is short

2003
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 1: sighted Mac. It is Chris with a tia And who

2004
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:04,720
Speaker 1: do you think he's for Zappy? He's he's reactionary Mac.

2005
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 1: He's a psycho reaction, he says, zappy fever, I got

2006
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 1: the fever. Keep the kid in until he throws up

2007
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: on himself. My decision is based in part on last himself,

2008
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: based on part of my last image of Mac being

2009
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 1: taken off the field looking like he had been shot.

2010
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 1: Mac is now perceived as a cry baby and his

2011
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 1: unwillingness to go under the knife, no doubt, Bill, No, see,

2012
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 1: that's just wrong, he says, I'm having fun with this.

2013
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 1: Obviously didn't expect anything this year from the team anyway,

2014
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 1: So what the hell? So I don't know what I've

2015
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 1: gotten more of short leash or hothand everything's short leash

2016
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: in hot hand these days. Leg makes sense yet hand.

2017
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: I got to be honest, I'm not making fun of

2018
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 1: anyone's opinions either side on this one. And like the

2019
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: hot hand thing shortly, I'm not necessarily team Hothand, but

2020
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: Hothand is a factor for me. Yeah that counts Howard

2021
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: from st for Connecticut. I will admit Zappi has far

2022
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: exceeded my expectations with what he has accomplished. That being said,

2023
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 1: I believe Mac deserves the chance to come back and

2024
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: play and get the opportunity to lose the position through

2025
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 1: his performance or lack thereof over a few games. So

2026
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: I think that right there, as I think why people

2027
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: are coming down with the case of Zappy Fever, I

2028
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: think that the expectation was so low when he went

2029
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: into the game, like people didn't know what to expect,

2030
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 1: that they weren't like they didn't come into the game

2031
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: with high expectations. I think that everyone kind of came

2032
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: in and like, let's see what happens here, because we

2033
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 1: really didn't see that much during training camp, so the

2034
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:42,599
Speaker 1: expectations weren't that high, and so of course he exceeded that. Right,

2035
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 1: So that makes everybody come down with the case of

2036
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 1: zap pever, Right. I agree. It's like when you expect

2037
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: to get socks for Christmas and it turns out to

2038
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: be a baby gun, I mean, and it's like, wow,

2039
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 1: I didn't expect this is great. See if you would

2040
01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:00,719
Speaker 1: have said socks and like an iPhone fourteen? Okay, okay,

2041
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 1: but yeah, oh yeah, you were never a young boy,

2042
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 1: were you? No? H Phills and Albuquerque? What's up? Bill? Hey?

2043
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 1: Kicking kicking the argument to add out of Serdom? Please

2044
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:22,600
Speaker 1: why aren't we talking about Hoyer? Is is more experienced

2045
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: than Zappy? Right? If Hoyer was available, if you took

2046
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 1: Mac out of the equation, and Zappy did what he could,

2047
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Mac can't come back, but Hoyer could back, could come

2048
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: back next week, what would be the argument? See, now,

2049
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: I would keep I would keep Zappy because why am

2050
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: I going to throw a thirty something year old veteran

2051
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 1: back up? Yeah, to play out. Now, if we go

2052
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: back to Green Bay, if we go back in time

2053
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,759
Speaker 1: and we have never seen Zappy, I'd go with Hoyer,

2054
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 1: you know. But now that we've seen Zappy. Oh, I

2055
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: would have gone with Hoyer the next week too, if

2056
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 1: you if if he were healthy. Right, But my point

2057
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 1: is at this stage, when you've already seen Zappy play

2058
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 1: a couple of games, and in this Phil's hypothetical, so

2059
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 1: Zappi's played three games, and now Lawyer is ready to

2060
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: come back, I don't need to see what he can do.

2061
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: I want I need to see what my starter can do,

2062
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 1: my future, my guy that I want to play the

2063
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: next ten years. But I don't need to see what

2064
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 1: Hoyer can do, even if that allows me to win

2065
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 1: a couple of extra games, and I think that's what

2066
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: we're kind of burying, is that, like Zappy's performance is

2067
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 1: what I would have hoped to get out of Hoyer.

2068
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: Like that's that, Like that's like I have no doubt.

2069
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 1: I have no doubt they would have won the two

2070
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 1: games with Hoyer, And I think that they may have

2071
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: won the green Bay game with Hoyer the way the

2072
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 1: way the game unfolded. Yeah, yep. And then what you

2073
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 1: see green Bay play, by the way, since the more

2074
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 1: that goes down as a blown game. But good for

2075
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 1: you to bring Howyer into the conversation, Phil, because he's

2076
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: kind of people have forgotten about that he is. And

2077
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 1: one more thing sticking on the out of surdom, isn't

2078
01:47:55,560 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 1: this a good argument for Belichick always trading down? Right,

2079
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 1: fourth round pick is you're arguing is almost as good

2080
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 1: as our first round. He always wants to trade down.

2081
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Speaker 1: He's got another argument, court, Well, we have neither, right

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Speaker 1: than we haven't talked about jac Jackson yet. People Bill

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Speaker 1: was right, you know, don't pay him. Yeah I read.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to pay him either, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: know he was going to get hurt. So I can

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Speaker 1: sit there and blow everybody. You might say, I knew

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Speaker 1: we would get hurt. Yeah, okay, welly interesting read by

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Speaker 1: Doug Ferrar today, which was like why can't they get

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01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 1: it right with jac Jackson? I mean I thought it

2090
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 1: was interesting just schematically. I think, you know, it's not

2091
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 1: a total fit with what the Chargers do on defense.

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01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: They play a lot of zone. I mean I just

2093
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 1: think it's, uh, that's that's probably part of it too,

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01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, like like what he did well here, I'm

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01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: not sure if it's you know, translating at least schematically

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01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:47,639
Speaker 1: that he can just you know, either follow a guy

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01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 1: or be able to play you know, the pattern match

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01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: stuff that he was really good at. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they're just sticking him in zone now, and

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01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit more difficult. He had

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Speaker 1: an extra bone in his foot too, apparently, which I

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Speaker 1: mean he already played last night. I mean I guess

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01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 1: got batched. Yeah. I think that. Somebody asked Mayo a

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01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 1: question today and Mayo was like, oh, this feels like

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01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 1: it's about J. C. Jackson. Drew writes in I don't

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01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: know why everyone is focused on Zappy casting Mac aside

2107
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 1: like a broken toy. We're forgetting Mac Jones is the

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01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:17,120
Speaker 1: fifteenth overall pick who when my opinion shows more leadership

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01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 1: talent than Zappy so far, even against Bills when we

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01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 1: got beat by thirty points, Jones took all the blame

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Speaker 1: regardless of where the fault lies. It's too early to

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Speaker 1: throw in the proverbial towel on mac Jones. When do

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01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 1: you said the broken toy? I thought about in Toy

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01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 1: Story when Woody was like the main toy and then

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01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 1: he ripped a little bit, and then buzz Lightyear came

2116
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:40,560
Speaker 1: into the pictures. You see people making me regarding this

2117
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 1: no that memes out there. It's Andy and it's like,

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01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to play with this toy anymore, dropping

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Speaker 1: Woody and it's Max's face. That's pretty funny. But that's

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Speaker 1: instantly what when I when I hear broken toy, the

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01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: first thing I think of his Rudolph the Red Nose

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01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 1: Reindeer in the Island of Misfit Toys. So that's the

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01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: age difference wanted to be it. Yeah, we watched those

2124
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: Christmas specials too. Yeah, but toy Stors Toy Story, Yeah,

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01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: that's a classic. Oh yeah, absolutely, uh Nate and Connecticut.

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01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: I think Max should get his starting job back when

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01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 1: he's healthy. He made some really good passes early in

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01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 1: the Baltimore game, so I want to see if he

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01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,679
Speaker 1: can do it again and limit the turnovers. I liked

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01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 1: what I saw from him in the Baltimore game. Obviously

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01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:28,719
Speaker 1: minds turnovers, but the way he was escaping the pocket

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01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 1: getting the extra yardage, I was like, h I haven't

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01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 1: seen that from Mac Jones as much, and we saw

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01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 1: a lot of that there um, so I would have

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Speaker 1: loved to potentially see him continue to build on that,

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01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:43,800
Speaker 1: obviously if he didn't get injured. Johnson Ducksburry, Hey John, Hello, people,

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Speaker 1: everybody a good good I'm gonna go with Jappie, okay,

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01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 1: because I think the decision making is better and he's

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01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 1: got a better sets, a pocket presence and on loading

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01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:02,680
Speaker 1: the pressure then Jones. But I mean, I think it's

2141
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 1: a tough call because the team's all stuck in the

2142
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:11,719
Speaker 1: right Well put John Well, lose by twenty three point

2143
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 1: and you have to benefit of twelve penalties, you're terrible, right, depathetic?

2144
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: But well, I want to ask Paul about that hunt

2145
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 1: to Henry when he was in the end zone. He

2146
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 1: could blocked out of the end zone. He can't come

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01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: back in. No, he can't be the first guy to

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01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 1: touch it. And so in other words, if if he

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01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: had thrown that ball in the defensive back had deflected

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01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: it and Henry was back in now he can catch it,

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01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 1: he would have been that would have been legal. But

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01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 1: you can't be the first one touch it. Yeah, he

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01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 1: couldn't come back in. Yeah, and the NC double A

2154
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 1: changed that rule a few years ago where you can

2155
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 1: re establish yourself, but you can't in the NFL. I

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01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 1: mean that makes sense to me, Fred, you're right, Yeah,

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01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:59,639
Speaker 1: and Fred, it's not if Jones plays, it's not looking good.

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01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 1: He's got a win, because this place will be crazy.

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01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 1: Zapp uh. If he loses against the bid that would

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01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 1: be the ultimate. Yeah, I mean the circumstances. I mean, like,

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01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 1: if he has a really good game in the defense,

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01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: lets us down, I think people will be it'll be okay.

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01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 1: But but if if it's going to happen, if zappay,

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01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 1: if the reason they lose is because of turnovers or

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01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 1: lack of points, you know, like he's got that thing

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01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 1: defense wants to play for. Unfair as it might be,

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01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be crazy, all right, thanks John, It's going

2168
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 1: to be crazy, Andy writes in you don't You just

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01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 1: don't understand people who pick Zappy. I'm happy to see

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Speaker 1: Zappie play well and he can be the backup. Can

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01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 1: we just compare Mac last year against garbage teams and

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01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 1: Zappy playing Detroit and Cleveland. Mac did very well last

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Speaker 1: year against the garbage, just like Zappy. Now Zappy versus

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Speaker 1: Buffalo tomorrow, do we score touchdown? I think no, Well

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01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,640
Speaker 1: that's the question touchdown. I would say, yeah, but I

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01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 1: don't think you compete. Yeah, um Connor from Reno, I'm

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Speaker 1: team Mac all the way. The best we have looked

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01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 1: throwing the ball this season was against Baltimore. Granted he

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Speaker 1: through three interceptions, we looked actually dangerous for three and

2180
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 1: a half quarters. Zappi, on the other hand, looked good.

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Speaker 1: But it has been against very bad competition. The Zappy

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01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 1: mania needs to cool down. It's a nice problem to have,

2183
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 1: but it's Max's job to lose, I think to a

2184
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:31,720
Speaker 1: couple of people have mentioned it. The style that Matt

2185
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:33,840
Speaker 1: came off the field the last time we saw him

2186
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:36,280
Speaker 1: is hurting his cause a little bit. I don't know,

2187
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, like everyone saw the pictures of going down

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01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:42,880
Speaker 1: the stairs, but remember he got up and hopped off

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01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: on his own like he didn't like that was really

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01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 1: man like. He didn't but he didn't roll around in

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01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 1: the ground and like he had to, but he got

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01:53:55,960 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 1: off his own down. I think I may go on

2193
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: to win like super bowls and have an awesome career.

2194
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 1: I think those memes will still internet never he could

2195
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: lead them to a super Bowl and then when he

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Speaker 1: has like one of those twenty seven sit down super

2197
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Speaker 1: Bowl week, they're gonna go back to that. Alex is

2198
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 1: absolutely right. How did you overcome this? Um? Let's see Claire.

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Speaker 1: He photos like the most inverse. Everyone Hello marine Marines

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01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:31,040
Speaker 1: don here so hello everyone, Hello Matisse. Um, I'm really

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Speaker 1: glad that Zappi is a great number two. Mac, don't

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01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 1: rush back, get properly healthy. Sorry. I couldn't call in,

2203
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 1: but I would have to balance the scales of calls

2204
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 1: force emails, because I say Mac is number one, Zappie

2205
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 1: number two. For now at least Mac is pulling away. Yeah,

2206
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:49,880
Speaker 1: as it should. Bailey had the head start, but I

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01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 1: think after the break the emails came in and Mac

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01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 1: is pulling away. Come in, David Bethlehem, he says, regarding

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Speaker 1: Breer his comments, McDaniels treated Mac like his favorite kid.

2210
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: Judge and Patricia did not have the same credibility or knowledge.

2211
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 1: Installing a new scheme added a higher degree of difficulty

2212
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 1: with an uncoordinated offensive line, and questioning rookie offensive coaching

2213
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 1: decisions was warranted and correct, So he thinks it was

2214
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 1: okay for him to ask why extra points? Can someone

2215
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,080
Speaker 1: explain how a zone run scheme is different from old

2216
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:30,360
Speaker 1: time student body right? Well, a student body, right, they're

2217
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:34,680
Speaker 1: trying to power block. Yeah, they're not trying to make

2218
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 1: a crease, right, which I mean right, you're right. You

2219
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 1: can go to Evan I think tomorrow and he'd probably

2220
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 1: have a dissertation on it. But time, Yeah, yeah, you

2221
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of just follow your blockers. But at any time,

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01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 1: like in that wide zone, it's up to the running

2223
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 1: back to cut it in whenever he sees that lane. Yeah,

2224
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, get the crease and yeah, either you're taking

2225
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: to the outside or cutting it back, you're taking it up. Um,

2226
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what the student body left is. Well,

2227
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: that's just that's that's power football back in like the

2228
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 1: late sixties. It's a powersett. Everybody gets out of their

2229
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 1: stance and just goes one way and you just follow

2230
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 1: the follow the blockers. All right, we're gonna that. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be it for this edition of Patriots on Filters

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