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Speaker 1: Trust me?

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Speaker 2: Do you trust me?

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Speaker 1: Right? Ever?

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Speaker 3: Lead you astray tr us?

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Speaker 2: This is the truth, the only truth. If anybody ever

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Speaker 2: tells you to just trust them, don't welcome to trust me.

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Speaker 2: The podcast about cult's extreme belief and manipulation from two

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Speaker 2: fully grown influencers who've actually experienced it. I am well

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Speaker 2: obloc I am Megan Elizabeth. We're not influencers, you guys,

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Speaker 2: but you kind of are.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I post a video like once a month.

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Is that what influencers do?

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Speaker 2: Okay? This weekest Part one with Sophie Fergey, actual influencer,

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Speaker 2: former child influencer who told her story in the Netflix

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Speaker 2: DOCKU series Bad Influence, The Dark Side of Kidfluencing. Today,

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Speaker 2: she's going to tell us about how she first met

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Speaker 2: Piper Raquel, who was a YouTube influencer, and how Piper's mom, Tiffany,

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Speaker 2: formed the Squad, a group of children making content together

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Speaker 4: Sophie will tell us about filming the videos, which included

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Speaker 4: fake challenges, fake crushes and relationships, and carefully curated drama

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Speaker 4: that blurred the lines between reality and performance. And now

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Speaker 4: she began to see red flags with Tiffany, who created

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Speaker 4: characters based on family animals, which Tiffany used to speak

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Speaker 2: And next week we will talk about how they all

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Speaker 2: moved in together and how everything began to escalate before

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Speaker 2: we start with Sophie. Megan, can you tell me your

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Speaker 2: cultiest thing of this week? I can.

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Speaker 4: It's not exactly from this week, but I've been wanting

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Speaker 4: to do an interview with somebody from Nickelodeon. They had

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Speaker 4: that documentary Quiet on Set, The Dark Side of Kids TV.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's really really horrible but fascinating, and there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of parallels between what Sophie speaks about and this

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Speaker 4: documentary about how Nickelodeon was basically kind of culty. You know,

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Speaker 4: you had Dan Schneider who was kind of the leader

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Speaker 4: a lot of their audience were older men, which kind

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Speaker 4: of correlates to some of the YouTube problems going on,

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Speaker 4: and I would love to do an interview with somebody

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Speaker 4: who experienced that culture. And then also it is worth

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Speaker 4: noting like Sophie today is talking a lot about Piper

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Speaker 4: and what Piper's mom is kind of putting Everry through.

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Speaker 2: And Piper is now on OnlyFans, which I hate. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's just such a complicated world, and I wonder what's

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Speaker 4: make this world safer for child performers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, yeah, the only fans thing is it's so

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Speaker 2: complicated because you want people to be able to, you know,

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Speaker 2: if they authentically want to be on only fans, as

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Speaker 2: many of my friends have been, there is no problem

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Speaker 2: with that. But it just depends on like what is

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Speaker 4: Kind of like an eighteenth birthday, you know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's not great, it's not great.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the appeal. It's like who is that

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Speaker 4: But yeah, and again you're right, if she's like, this

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Speaker 2: But just given the like way she was raised, well,

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Speaker 2: It's not inherently because she's on only fans, because it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of serving when they had that, like

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Speaker 2: Eighteen or it's just like, can you guys stop?

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Speaker 4: And because Mary Kate and Ashley made some banger movies

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Speaker 4: and don't take that from us, you know.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah they did Billboard Dad, one of my top

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Speaker 2: movies as a kid, was obsessed. Also, I actually completely

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Speaker 2: But yes, Mary Kate and actually go to was it Paris?

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Speaker 2: No London? They can go wherever they damn please? Oh

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Speaker 2: when London? Well, anyway, that's unrelated to.

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Speaker 4: The important point that you're making. But totally I hear you. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what about you? What's your cultiest thing of the week.

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Speaker 2: I've really got nothing, I mean, okay, so here's what

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Speaker 2: I'm picking. I went to Joshua Tree to write smart.

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Speaker 2: is the word that I want? Cruel? It's a battle,

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Speaker 2: it's war. It's war out here. We're fighting our way

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Speaker 2: through it. So I was alone in the desert. No

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Speaker 1: I see the Lord in various forms.

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Speaker 2: No, but this time I watched around by myself and

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Speaker 2: listened to music and flailed around in the desert.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident because there weren't very many hoow close by.

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Speaker 2: But there was something so freeing about just like flailing

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Speaker 2: I guess this is my version. This is like atheist spirituality,

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Speaker 2: you guys. It's desert flailing and you know, we didn't

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Speaker 2: that's about as close to cultiness as I got this week. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think that's beautiful. I wish I had a video

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Speaker 4: My cat is Sag and it is bringing up in

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Speaker 4: you said, it brings just up a lot of unknown,

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Speaker 4: sometimes humans in general just need to like dance around

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Speaker 4: upon that when we're having in these human experiences, and

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Speaker 2: I hate it so true. Yeah, I mean, like just

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Speaker 2: Speaking of getting offline, as our guest today does speak

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Speaker 3: Shall we talk to Sophie. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Sophie, Fergie to trust me thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited, Like I've obviously seen your guys of stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm really excited to be here. So

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we're excited to have you. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm like a little nervous. I haven't like been interviewed,

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Speaker 2: So go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Well, so grateful. Your makeup looks so great. You should

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Speaker 2: be on camera. Okay, there's so much to talk about

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Speaker 2: with you. Obviously we both watched the docuseries what is

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Speaker 2: the full name? I want to not say wrong.

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Speaker 1: Bad Influence, the Dark Side of kid Fluency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I haven't said that in a very long time. So

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Speaker 1: that was well.

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Speaker 2: So start us at the beginning. What was your life

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Speaker 2: like and how old were you before you met Piper Roquel.

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Speaker 1: So I was born in California, and then my family

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Speaker 1: when I want to say, I was around like six

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Speaker 1: I did this web series as a background character, and

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Speaker 1: named Manny. I think my mom was like, just go

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Speaker 1: But they did care, and so they had me read

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Speaker 1: Nickelodeon Nickelodeon, like Disney Channel kind of show. Yeah, that

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I don't have to hate every single YouTuber

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Speaker 1: And you do photography, and she was like, okay, sure,

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Speaker 1: what a sweet. I was like, this is like, let's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're very prod. So was your mom. I love

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Speaker 1: Well, it was confusing to me too, because like at first,

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Speaker 2: would have not been weird.

436
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 1: Like Hunter just seemed like younger to me, and like

437
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 1: there's fifty's a little older. So like it was just

438
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: like very odd, dynamic and then also trying to hide

439
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: it from people who are close to you and then

440
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: like taking.

441
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: It back was odd.

442
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think they recently came out or not recently,

443
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: about like a year or two ago, and they were

444
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 1: like that was all fake, by the way, and the

445
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: fans were like fine with it. I was like, okay, okay,

446
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: Well it mine boggled me for years. I was like,

447
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: why did you'll do that?

448
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: This is all so trippy to me, Like just the

449
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,959
Speaker 2: format I think itself where it's like and now this

450
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: is my boyfriend, and here's my brother, and this.

451
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: Is my fake friend. Like it's just like this is

452
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: totally made up life, right, just.

453
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 4: Like you said, it's a Disney show, but it's supposed

454
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 4: without the professional Yeah, without the clear delineation between real.

455
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: Life and set when you're like also like growing up

456
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: with somebody too. It's like I would say, she was

457
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: a very big chapter of like a good portion of

458
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: my childhood. So like when I left, there was a

459
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: lot of things I was still doing that I thought

460
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: was like normal, and then people were like, hey, like

461
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: that's no, that wasn't normal. What was happening here? This

462
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: isn't normal? And it's like you have to like retrain

463
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: your brain kind of in a sense where it's like, Okay,

464
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: this thing that I like normify or normal normalize normalized.

465
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: There you go normalized normalized. Yeah, the thing that I

466
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: like normified normalized is not actually normal, And like you

467
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: have to like go back and then like figure out, okay,

468
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,959
Speaker 1: well what is normal and then what is okay? And

469
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: like that sort of gist, which was super interesting because

470
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: again you can think that something's like wrong or off,

471
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: and this is kind of what happened with us a

472
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: lot is I would say like, Okay, this isn't normal,

473
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 1: Like I think that this isn't normal, and then they

474
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: would treat it as something so normal that I'd be like, Okay,

475
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: maybe it is, and I'm just like you're crazy.

476
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: One what we see with people is that they're in

477
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 4: an environment where everybody's like, no, it's fine, yeah, but

478
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 4: that's what we do. And you're like, oh, okay.

479
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I'm like all right, sure, and then like

480
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: not like I didn't go to my mom about literally

481
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: anything that went on for and so like we left

482
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: and we had this whole interview and she saw that

483
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: like Tiffany would like yell and like she had like bipolarism,

484
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: Like like my mom knew about that stuff, but she

485
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: didn't know how deep it went into everything. So like

486
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: when I started to like explain stuff to her, she

487
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what's going on? Like what is happening here?

488
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: Why didn't you tell her?

489
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: I mean, and we'll get into more of what was

490
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: actually going on, but like, did you feel like you

491
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: couldn't talk about what Tiffany did?

492
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: Like there were things that like I just there was

493
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: this one time and specific that I remember, like so clearly.

494
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: And we were on the way to drop off Piper

495
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: at this photo shoot and I went with Tiffany and

496
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: I like met the photographers. They're like nice to meet, yoush,

497
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: come to the next one whatever, And so we dropped

498
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: her off and like I'm walking and she has Frank

499
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: in her hands. Frank is just like talking bug.

500
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: So he's a crazy that.

501
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 4: He's just a cute, normal pog dog that Tiffany will

502
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 4: do a voice for and you can do the voice

503
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 4: for us in a bet.

504
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: But she has she has.

505
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: It's like a character.

506
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: She take care but but he dog is real. The

507
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: dog is real, And so you have Frank the puglin.

508
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: Right, and she just like talks for I think she

509
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: had Frank in her hands. It could have been Pablo

510
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: she has. Pablo is a bird who also talked, which

511
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: no one knows. I guess people don't know this. But

512
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: Pablo also had a voice.

513
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 4: Oh no, that was also Tiffany's voice. Or was Pablo

514
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: a bird that could actually talk?

515
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: No, it was Tiffany's. Yeah, So I try to think

516
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: if she had Frank in her hands, maybe not, maybe not,

517
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: But she started talking as Frank. No, I don't think

518
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: she did have Frank or maybe she did. No, she didn't.

519
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: She didn't have Frank in her hands. Sorry, she did

520
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: not have Frank in her hands. Were walking away, and

521
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was Frank because all the damn animal

522
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: voices sound the same. She's got this whole cast of characters. Yeah,

523
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: there's like a whole like she should do some like

524
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: voice acting at this point, like what's going on?

525
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: Well, there's only one voice, right, I'm yeah, true.

526
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: Me there, but yeah no, So we're walking and I

527
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: can get like the kind of graphic right, yeah, whatever.

528
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: So we're walking and she does the voice and she's like, TOPI,

529
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: what's a dildo? Oh my god baby at the time, right,

530
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: So I laugh and I'm like because I don't know

531
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: what it is, and I have this lady asking me,

532
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like my side note, sidebar, my grandpa

533
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 1: and I always act like we know everything even though

534
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: we lo ki don't, like we just like I have

535
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: this thing where I feel like I need to like

536
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: not impress people, but to like act like I know

537
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: things even sometimes if I don't.

538
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I don't know. We've all been there. I

539
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: was like that when I was younger, too.

540
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so especially at that point. So yeah, I

541
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: just laughed and I was like, ah, you know, and

542
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: she was like, no, explain it to me or walking

543
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: to the car, and I was like, how do I

544
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: explain this to it? I don't even know what I'm explaining.

545
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, just a thing people have, and

546
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: she was like, really, what's it used for? As like

547
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: the frank voice. So I'm like, I'm.

548
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 2: Thinking it's okay. So the frank voice.

549
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: Is pretty much and just because she's like doing it

550
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 4: in this weird voice, she feels this ease to say

551
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: the weirdest, creepiest shit to kids.

552
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: She seem says that voice to be sexually inappropriate with children.

553
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: Yes, And so I was very taken aback and like

554
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: I was trying. I don't think I think I had

555
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: heard that character, the sexual one. His name is Lenny,

556
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: and he's like a dead cat. Basically, long story short,

557
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: Piper had this cat. She really loved it, and Tiffany

558
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: had a voice for the cat and when it died,

559
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: she kept the voice going like that was like, oh cute,

560
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: wholesome story. Didn't realize that Lenny was like a sexual pervert.

561
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 4: Okay, So Lenny the kitten was a sexual pervert when

562
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: Tiffany would do his voice and she just kept Lenny's

563
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: spirit and.

564
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: Because Piper missed that, I guess, but sure, right, And

565
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: so I think I probably had heard Lenny's voice like

566
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: maybe a few times before that, but like this was

567
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: like really confusing to me. And I think I was like, Frank,

568
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: like what's going on? Like I like made a joke

569
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: like okay, Frank, and she was like it's not Frank,

570
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: Like what is going on? Like I was like okay,

571
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: And I got in the car and I sat there

572
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: and like she kind of let the whole dildo conversation

573
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: go and I'm sitting in the car with her. I

574
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: believe we went to like maybe like Starbucks or something

575
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: and came back and got Piper. But I was like

576
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: sitting there and I was like, what is a Tilda?

577
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Like I need to know. So I'm like searching it.

578
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm spelling it wrong. There's like literal dough that's coming

579
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: up on Google. I'm like, okay, Like I don't I'm

580
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: like I don't pick right, No, I don't know what

581
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. And I remember seeing a photo of

582
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: one and I was like what like I don't know

583
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: what this is your like what is that? Like, IM

584
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: very confused.

585
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: I hate this. I hate that you learn this term

586
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: for the first time from a mother, Like that's.

587
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: As I'm thinking, it's like frank and whatnot. And so

588
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: then I like sat there and I was like okay,

589
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: and I remember, like to myself, I was like, I'm

590
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: not gonna like tell my mom about that because like that,

591
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: like I know she was going to like lose her

592
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: shit on this lady. So I was like, okay, like

593
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: it's fine, maybe she just misspoke or something whatever, but

594
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: like weird and like it's just that conversation, like the

595
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: dildo talk kept getting re like asked multiple times, like

596
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: as like days went further, like she like brought it

597
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: up again, and I'd be like like I was like, okay, dude,

598
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: a thing that people use, Like I was like getting

599
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: my context clues, but again I was still confused, like

600
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: yeah right, so like but now I've seen what one

601
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: looks like. I'm confused, but I'm like okay, you know,

602
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: and I literally I remember the second time she asked

603
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: me about it. I was like, you can look it up.

604
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: Nice right right.

605
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: I was like I ate down let's get Yeah, I

606
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: was like attitude no, but she didn't like that answer,

607
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: and it was like, why are you talking to an

608
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: adult that way? Like whole yelling? Why are you talking

609
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: to a child that way? Right? And so like that's

610
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: just kind of like how things would go. It's like

611
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: if you went against Lenny or like into it, she

612
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: would get really frustrated and upset. And like if you

613
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: ever like said like, oh, you're being creepy or weird

614
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: for example, it that like threw her.

615
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 4: So Lenny, Frank, and Pablo are all her alter ego

616
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: animal voices, and if you go against these animal.

617
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: Voices, you're like the problem.

618
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: You're the problem. Yeah, got you.

619
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: Like a lot of things from then, Like I think

620
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't blame myself because I was young, but I

621
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: do think like I let things. I let the doors open,

622
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. When it comes to like the

623
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: dildo stuff where it's like, okay, like maybe you just

624
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: don't act like you know everything, but you.

625
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: You don't get that one.

626
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: We're taking that away from him?

627
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, just correct yes, right, So talk

628
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 5: about how things sort of started to pick up, like

629
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 5: everyone's followings were growing.

630
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Rape right, very rapid, So I got thrown into the

631
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: public eye super young, like Piper and I would and Gavin.

632
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Like when we us three were a thing on YouTube,

633
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: we were the top like walk twelve year olds like

634
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: in the world at one point.

635
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: Wow.

636
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like everyone like we would go to a

637
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: malls and it would be like swarms of people, like

638
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: just super like lots of lots of people. And that's

639
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: very pressuring at like twelve and like eleven and ten

640
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: and like all of us being so young and like

641
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: having to be careful and what we do on social

642
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: media like it honestly until I want to say, last year,

643
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: because last year, like I would get so scared that

644
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: I'd be like caught out on like because people would

645
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: like follow us with like in like film us and

646
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: like it also came to our house at one point

647
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 1: later on scary. Yeah, so like it followed me up

648
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: until like about a year ago that I would get

649
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: so scared that like somebody would like clip me if

650
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm out on like a day or like like I'm

651
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 1: doing personal things and it's like okay, like is this

652
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: person following me? Because that's what happened at such a

653
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: young age, it's still like it, yeah, kind of like

654
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: you're paranoid, right, and then like you would meet people

655
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: and they would want to be your best friend, and

656
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: then they'd leave in a week and it's like okay,

657
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: like you just wanted to be on a YouTube video,

658
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: so like, oh, that's right. But we were all going

659
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: through it together. So it's like I I said this

660
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: in the documentary too, It's like we were all drowning,

661
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: but we were all drowning together, so it was like fine,

662
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: and like we all had the craziness behind the scenes,

663
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: but we also had the craziness like with like fans

664
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: and like what was going on there. So it's like

665
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: we all had this such a bond because we were

666
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: all so tight with each other and like understood like

667
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: what was happening. And I think that's what got us

668
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: super close so young, and like having like such a

669
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: connection at twelve years old, Like I don't think I

670
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: would believe like if I had a daughter she came

671
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: up to me and was like I have this beautiful

672
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: connection with somebody, I'd be like, okay, but you're also

673
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: like twelve, Like I think it's like hard to have

674
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: such an in depth friendship with somebody that young. Growing

675
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: up in the public eye was very like scary and

676
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: like I love it and I love that it happened,

677
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: but I also there's a lot that I would probably

678
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: like change or like I guess the way I look

679
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: at it is like when I have future kids, I'm like, no,

680
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: don't do social media, like just stay out of it.

681
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: It's fine.

682
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: Just make you like hyper vigilant, like right were you

683
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: just like on edge all the time, like all the.

684
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: Time on edge? And like also to like as you

685
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: grow up, as one does, like your teenage years, everything

686
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: like things get rough for people, or like you're experimenting,

687
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: you're trying new things, like you're drinking, you're exploring, and

688
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: like you're young. So to have all of that and

689
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: then be in the public eye was definitely like scary,

690
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: not that I was doing that at that age, but

691
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: still like going into it, it's like okay, like now

692
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: we're going through puberty and like I have the entire

693
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: internet judging me and thinking like, okay, I'm too skinny.

694
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: At one point, I'm to this, my face looks weird. Like,

695
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: so just having that and like having so much pressure

696
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: and so much hate and love at the same time

697
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: is very interesting.

698
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 4: Literal nightmare, no right, And like for child stars of

699
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: the Old world media, it was still hard, but I

700
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: feel like they had more safeguards, you know, and this

701
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: is kind of the wild West, and you guys were

702
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 4: just like whoa.

703
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're just kind of like thrown thrown out

704
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: there and it's like okay, like this person's gonna like

705
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: come up to you and ask you like a question

706
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: that you're probably not comfortable with, but they're also very

707
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: young and they want to know what's going on in

708
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: your personal lives. And I feel like a lot of

709
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: our fans created like these para parasocial relationships with us,

710
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: and like yes, we were online, but like felt like

711
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: they knew us too much, and like, yeah, there are

712
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: certain things where it's like I would never go up

713
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: to like Kylie Jenner and be like what's going on

714
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: in like the personal world? Like I just would never

715
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: do that, right, right, It's like, you know, like having

716
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: that with a kid who's not you know, like not

717
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: even really knowing yourself is definitely like interesting.

718
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: Okay, well, Mattilda, that's what I'm calling this fake child

719
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: you're talking to Matilda, Yes, Telda, that's not Piper's real brother,

720
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 4: that's not my real boyfriend, and what's going on? Tiffany's

721
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 4: screaming at me time, you know, yeah, exactly.

722
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't tell you anything that these helps like,

723
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: oh my god. My mom's just like smiling and waving.

724
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: She's like I love this. I like, you don't even know.

725
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 4: So, I mean, I'm assuming you had to keep a

726
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: up from your mom because you want Also, were you

727
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: even goth?

728
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Did you just have to pretend to be god?

729
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: Because you said one day like I'll be the goth kid,

730
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: and I are like stuck being goth?

731
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: That was for the TV show, So for Manny, like, yes,

732
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: I was like emo gothic in that, and then like

733
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: but that was like a show acting whatever separate from this,

734
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: and then no, in the squad, I was just like

735
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: myself and like people to be like and what right

736
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: her makeup was different on YouTube?

737
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Megan, right, I'm sure like I kept secrets for

738
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 4: my mom because I wanted to go to a party

739
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: where a popular person might be you have you have

740
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: I want to keep a secret from my mom because

741
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 4: I'm like growing my career.

742
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: So that's a whole different.

743
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: Right, Like I'm in the public eye and also like

744
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: my mom like works her ass off. My entire life

745
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: has always been like a very hard worker. So like

746
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: when I when we had this life and like things

747
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: started to pick up too, It's like okay, like I'm

748
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: not gonna like throw that all away, and like maybe

749
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: some of this is normal, because like i would watch

750
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: Letting and Piper interact and I'd be like, Okay, this

751
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: is super normal to her, and like Lenny's the cat.

752
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: Lenny's Tiffany, but it's the cat. It's so it's so hard.

753
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: So you would watch Piper and her mom interact, yes,

754
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 4: but her mom would be pretending to be a cat, right, yeah, okay,

755
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: and like is it like hand puppet or she was

756
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: just nowhere?

757
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: Like it would basically like switch on and off, and

758
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: like as if like new characters came in, like new

759
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: like what's it called squad people would come in, Like

760
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: I would get so nervous that she would like do

761
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: the voice in front of them, and we'd like lose friends.

762
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: So I'd be like, okay, like maybe she won't and

763
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: she usually didn't like at first, right, So I'm like okay,

764
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: like we're good, like we saw friends, but no Lenny

765
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: basically we would be talking right and like I could

766
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: always I could always kind of like not tell necessarily,

767
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: but like I started to pick it up when like

768
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: it was changing into Lenny and so like she'd be

769
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: talking normally and then like she would just like get

770
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: quiet for a minute and then she would do like

771
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: the Frank. It sounded just like Frank, and she would

772
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: do that voice, and then it would be like like

773
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: which one is this? And then you could usually tell

774
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: right away when it was Lenny or Frank. And so

775
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: because they have different personalities, very different personalities, like Frank

776
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: on YouTube and whatnot wanted to like flirt with the moms,

777
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: was like this like flirty kind of like Pug character whatever,

778
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: and like he was kind of like an asshole of everybody,

779
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: like that was his thing, and the kids like watching

780
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: us loved it. Lenny was not like that. Like it

781
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: would just be like you'd be sitting there and I'd

782
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: be like when we lived there, like cleaning a litter box,

783
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: and like Tiffany would come in, it would switch on

784
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: and she would say something crazy shit as Lenny and

785
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: then just walk away and I'd be like okay, and then.

786
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Drinking is that what it is is it?

787
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: Like, no, No, this is just like her, Like I

788
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: mean not that I noticed, like unless she was doing

789
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: it secretly.

790
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: But have you guys seen I don't know. It's just

791
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: like giving split. Yes, So I wasna say, multiple personalities.

792
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: There is this thing, multiple personalities disorder. And I was

793
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 1: watching this movie called Split, like not too long ago,

794
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: and Claire, who's also in the squad, like, we were

795
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: watching it together and like we're like, oh my god,

796
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: Like this is very similar to how Tiffany is. But

797
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: it's not like a fully different person. It's like she'll

798
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: be this person and then be like Tiffany. She knows

799
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: what she's doing, right.

800
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: It's not just associative identity disorder, which is something you know, yeah, but.

801
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: It's very similar to that, Like you can talk to Lenny,

802
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: who's its own person and its own entity, even though

803
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: it's not.

804
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it reminds me of like, sorry

805
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: to bring up in triloquism again, it's a it's AULI

806
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: I can't stop talking about it. No, there's a there's

807
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: a movie called Magic with Anthony Hopkins from the eighties.

808
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: It's a horror movie about a ventriloquist and like there's

809
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: like a time.

810
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: Character where like.

811
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: There's this idea of people like they use the dummy

812
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: to like get out there nice.

813
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, that's exactly like how it felt, because like

814
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: she would like say something and it's like basically backed

815
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: by or like justified because it's not Tiffany.

816
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: It's funny ming through using and cute animal right right.

817
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: I never met Lenny. I think I saw a photo

818
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: of him once, but she was like this tabby cat.

819
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: Never met Lenny, like the actual kitten because it died

820
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: when she was like back in George, I believe, like

821
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't even think it the cat made it out

822
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: into la. That was like also odd to me, like

823
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: why because like all the other animals were living, so

824
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: why is this one dead one weirder?

825
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: It's so much weirder. The whole thing is so creepy.

826
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like it was just super like vulgar like

827
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: words that she would use and like very vulgar things

828
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: that like she would do, and like it even ruined

829
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: like dating and like intimacy for me for a very

830
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: long time because I was like I can't like do

831
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: this because I'm getting like weirded out. And like I

832
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: also was very like not sexual, but like had a

833
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: lot of sexual experiences super young from that mom. So

834
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: like it freaked me out like going into that as

835
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: I got older, and so to explain like Okay, well

836
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: there's like this dead cat who like used to do things,

837
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: but it's not really a cat, it's a mom. And

838
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: then people look at you like you're crazy, and I'm like, okay, maybe.

839
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: Just the documentary.

840
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah no, And but that's just like the documentary is really,

841
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: in my opinion, just like the tip of the iceberg,

842
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: Like it's not even fully like in depth of like

843
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: the Lenny stuff and like what was going on. And

844
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: then like even from the documentary, people have their own opinions,

845
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: like Okay, I said something like I woke up and

846
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: she was on top of me, and they're like I

847
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: saw like this one lady and she was like she

848
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: didn't specify exactly what was going on. I'm like, okay, well,

849
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: first of all, you don't have to do that exactly.

850
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: And also it's like there's so much more to that.

851
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: It's not like she just did it once and like

852
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: I just overreacted. Like there was multiple people who have

853
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: met Lennie, like my best friend Claire who's in the documentary.

854
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: She's met Lennie. Her little sister met Lennie at like

855
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: eight years old. Like everybody had known this character, and

856
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: Gavin knew about Lenny too, and like talked about it.

857
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: When he left. He made his whole YouTube video which

858
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: was like explaining everything that Tiffany had done, and then

859
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: later on took it all back because now him and

860
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: Piper are a thing. I believe. Oh, like now, yeah,

861
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: they're like dating. I don't know if it's real, to

862
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: be honest, because.

863
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: Like I've let's take a while guess that it's not.

864
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: I would write, I would assume that it's not. But

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Speaker 1: then again, who knows. They got a lot in common,

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Speaker 1: so I don't, you know, yeah, who knows?

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Speaker 2: Like okay, who knows.

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Speaker 1: But it's like this weird you have to take everything

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Speaker 1: back and like worship us or you know, we're not

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Speaker 1: gonna see you again. That's where we're gonna leave Part

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Speaker 1: one with Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Come back next week for part two to hear the

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Speaker 2: rest of her story, and until then, Megan question for you,

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Speaker 2: would you join Maybe not this exact squad since they

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Speaker 2: were children, but would you join a different squad one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I would join that squad if I was a child.

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Speaker 4: I love a good squad. I want to fit in.

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? Like built in friends and worships

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Speaker 4: that think I'm great?

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Speaker 2: It's so true. Sign me up.

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Speaker 4: I completely see how this happened, and all it takes

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Speaker 4: is one bad actor at the top to kind of

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Speaker 4: ruin it for everybody. You know, I could see growing

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Speaker 4: up without a Tiffany leader and being like, why was

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Speaker 4: I pretending to have a crush on someone that was weird?

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think it's pretty innocuous at the

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Speaker 4: core if it's not being led by a terrible person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I fell one single influencer family. They're all adults.

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Speaker 2: It's like adult children with their parents. Ah, and I

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Speaker 2: love them so much. It's so wholesome. Is it? The

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Speaker 2: three guys with their dad? Yes? I love that.

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Speaker 1: Wait what are they called?

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Speaker 2: We should probably find that out.

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Speaker 4: He's like always annoyed with them and like it's like

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Speaker 4: oldest child, middle child, youngest child.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I don't know if that's the same thing. They

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Speaker 2: do a lot of content about dads and things that

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Speaker 2: are things that dad and it's very accurate. I think

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Speaker 2: this is the same. It's the McFarlands on Instagram and

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Speaker 2: they followed me back and I was so happy, and

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Speaker 2: I love them so much. They're all so funny and wholesome.

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Speaker 2: Are any of them single? I don't think so, because

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Speaker 2: if they were, Oh, this isn't the same one that

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Speaker 2: I This isn't the.

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Speaker 4: Same one that I follow. But I do love these

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Speaker 4: ones too. Yeah, once they're older, like, go off, have fun.

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Speaker 2: I mean also like if as a family they wanted

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Speaker 2: to participate and do content when they were young, and

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Speaker 2: that was something the kids want to do, who care?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like what you were saying, there's not inherently anything wrong

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Speaker 2: with filming videos with your family, Like we filmed videos

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Speaker 2: at home all the time when we were kids. You know,

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Speaker 2: they just were on VHS tapes. But the key is

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Speaker 2: to make sure that it's done safely, in with responsible people,

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Speaker 2: and that the kids are being looked out for. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And next week we get into even more with

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Speaker 4: Sophie's story.

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Speaker 2: As always, rate us five.

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Speaker 4: Stars and remember to follow your guts, watch out for

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Speaker 4: red flags, and never ever trust me.

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Speaker 2: Bye. This has been an exactly right production. Hosted by

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Speaker 2: me Lola Blanc and me Megan Elizabeth. Our senior producer

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Speaker 2: is G. Holly. This episode was mixed by John Bradley.

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Speaker 4: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker

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Speaker 4: is Patrick Kottner.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song was composed by Holly Ambert Church.

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Speaker 4: Trust Me as executive produced by Karen Kilgareth Georgia Hartstark

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Speaker 4: and Danielle Kramer.

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Speaker 2: or on TikTok at trust Me Coult podcast.

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Speaker 4: Got your own story about cults, extreme belief, our manipulation.

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