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Speaker 2: Iran, which launched this attack, has received over one hundred

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Speaker 4: So the reality is that our Iran policy is in

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Speaker 4: Well, Joe, Proportionate and appropriate are really important questions here,

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Speaker 5: For this response, Congress, when we had a recent conversation

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Speaker 4: Look, I think there's a lot missing because even though

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Speaker 5: Indeed, a couple of other things I wish we'd heard

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Speaker 3: It's good to see you.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for helping us understand and distill what we saw

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