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Speaker 1: and I Never Told You a productive of iHeartRadio. And

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Speaker 1: for today's classic, we are bringing back a book club

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Speaker 1: we did on the book Pride, which so Pride and

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Speaker 1: Prejudice kind of remix that we really enjoyed. It's really good,

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Speaker 1: and you know it's February. We didn't do a lot

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Speaker 1: of Valentine's content. Hell, what did you talk about? No

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Speaker 1: terrible things, so I thought we would bring this one in.

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Speaker 1: And also, I've just been seeing it a lot. I

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Speaker 1: think maybe because the Wuthering Heights movie came out, but

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Speaker 1: I've been seeing that quote at the beginning that you

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Speaker 1: were like, this is the quote Annie, everybody, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: So I learned a lot and I enjoyed this book,

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Speaker 1: so please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Sanny

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Speaker 1: and Samantha and welcome to steffan Never Told You projection

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, and welcome to another edition of book Club.

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Speaker 1: This month, we are reading Eb's a Boys twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: novel Pride, a Pride and Prejudice remix which he has

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Speaker 1: us to take on Pride and prejudice in our modern

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Speaker 1: day with black and Afro LATINX characters. The author also

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Speaker 1: draws on personal experience. She grew up in Bushwick, which

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Speaker 1: has Haitian roots, like the main character. So I'm very

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Speaker 1: very excited about this because I have never read Pride

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Speaker 1: and Prejudice. I have seen did we not do Frides?

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Speaker 1: Because it was much shorter. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm about to back up and make you read

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Speaker 2: Pride and Prejudice.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm annoyed. I love this, and I know you

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Speaker 1: have strong opinions about like the film and TV adaption.

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Speaker 1: very very excited. Also, I really want to read Zavoi's

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Speaker 1: other other works. We had kind of a list of

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Speaker 1: because she's written a graphic novel on Octavia Butler. She's

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Speaker 1: also written for Marvel's Black Panther. She did a whole

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Speaker 2: So when we were talking about books for this month,

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Speaker 2: think post it talking about this book and her doing it,

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Speaker 2: and I was so excited. So when Annie reminded me, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: adaptations anyway, and I do this was a good adaptation.

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Speaker 2: And before we start, let's do a quote from the

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Speaker 2: author about the original. Yes, as we all have to

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Speaker 2: give homage to thank you to the great literary figure

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Speaker 2: Jane Austen for writing and publishing Pride and Prejudice in

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Speaker 2: eighteen thirteen. Amidst everything that was happening in her world

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Speaker 2: my good guy friends we read this. We had a

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Speaker 2: She did great. She followed along with it perfectly. Now,

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Speaker 2: would get on a crowded train with a double stroller

432
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: holding the twins me, Mansoul and Janet, with our messy hair,

433
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: running noses, and each with a bag of chips to

434
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: keep us occupied while Mama quieted down the babies. It's

435
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: the look that assumes that Mama is a single mother,

436
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: that she's on government assistance, that she beats us when

437
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: she's tired, that we all have different fathers, that we

438
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: live in the projects and that ghetto. Everybody used to

439
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: look at us like that, white black, other mothers with

440
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: kids who thought they were being responsible by only having

441
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: two or three. I'd look back at them with defiance

442
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: and a little pride, a look that says that I

443
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: love my family, and we may be messy and loud,

444
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: but we're all together and we love each other. That's

445
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: when I've perfected my Bushwick mean mug.

446
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, her kind of resistance to change I think a

447
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: lot of us can relate to. Because she was scared

448
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: of it. She was scared like what if I don't

449
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: like Howard? What if I don't?

450
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 4: You know?

451
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: She because of these moments where she had been so

452
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: proud and so protective and rightfully so, she had formed

453
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: this like, well, we can't mess that up, we can't

454
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: break that up, Like what will that mean? And you know,

455
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: she does go to Howard and she loves it, but

456
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: it's still kind of frightening. It's still like, well then

457
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: what will happen if so long I've kind of divined

458
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: myself through this, you're like protecting this. So I thought

459
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: that was a great through line throughout. Here's another quote.

460
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: He lets go with me and shakes his head. I

461
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: don't know yet, but we'll find somewhere. This is what

462
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: happens in life. You take the good with the bad.

463
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: This money is good, us leaving is bad, or taking

464
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: it because it's a blessing. So this is what her

465
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: father says when they have to move out and she's

466
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: so upset. Which that whole I mean that moving is terrible.

467
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: Moving is terrible in general, if you're moving from a

468
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: neighborhood that is so important to you, and that you

469
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: have these strong neighborly connections and thoughts about gentrification. And

470
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: now you've got the guy across the street, which, by

471
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: the way, that happened to me once when I was young,

472
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: not like this. We never worked out, but there was

473
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: a hot guy.

474
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 3: That moved across the street.

475
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, maybe this is my whole future.

476
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: You had a fantasy about this, Huh?

477
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: I did? He played? He would be outside playing basketball

478
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, oh my god, that was nothing.

479
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: So did you have like it was really far.

480
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: I lived in the woods.

481
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: I still live in the woods technically, like there's suburbs

482
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: around me, but you can't see each other. We're not

483
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: We're not walking on the street to go get sugar

484
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: from each other because it's like a two lane road

485
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: in the.

486
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: Woods with no lights. Don't go there.

487
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: Well, when I first moved to my place, my home

488
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: that I mostly grew up in, there was nothing. It

489
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: was like gravel road nothing, and I wouldn't say it gentrified,

490
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: but it got like much more crowded. The roads got paved,

491
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: and so this guy moving across the street was pretty

492
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: like late in my time having been there, it was

493
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: marked change. Pretty sure he was a jerk, So I'm

494
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: glad it didn't work out anyway. End the story. That's

495
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: all you needed, I'm pretty sure. But then again, who knows.

496
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: Given a story, I could have been being judgmental where

497
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been.

498
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: You would have a prejudice.

499
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: That's right. Here's another quote. I have always thought of

500
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Bushwick as home, but in that moment, I realized that

501
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: home is where the people I love are, wherever that is. Yeah,

502
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: which I just loved.

503
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good line. And another one.

504
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: This college is a lifeboat and a lifeline, But my

505
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: neighborhood is not flooding or splitting in half. It's being

506
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: cleaned up and wiped out. It's being polished and a race.

507
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: So where do I reach back and pull out memories

508
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: as if they've been safely tucked away into a trunk

509
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: or an attic like the people on TV who have

510
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: enough time and too much space. Where do I call home?

511
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: Where can I place a layer of brick to use

512
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: as my platform and hold my head up high to

513
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: raise my voice and my fist. Sometimes love is not

514
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: enough to keep a community together. There needs to be

515
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: something more tangible, like fair housing, opportunities and access to resources.

516
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: Life Boats and lifelines are not supposed to just be

517
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: away for us to get out. They should be ways

518
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: to let us state and survive and thrive.

519
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: Well that was a great quot too, Yeah, of like

520
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: not using it to get out, but using it to stay. Also,

521
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: sisterhood is pretty important throughout this. She does have a

522
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: lot of sisters. Here's a quote. If Madrina's basement is

523
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: where the timboras, loso spiritos and old ancestral memories live,

524
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: then the roof is where wind chimes, dreams and possibilities

525
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 1: float with the stars, where Jenna and I share our

526
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: secrets and plan to travel all over the world, Haiti

527
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: and the Dominican Republic being our first stop. So yeah,

528
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: her and Janee have a really close bond. And again,

529
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: I really did appreciate kind of the because I totally

530
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: get it too. And we've talked about this. When you

531
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: have a friend, a really close friend or a sister

532
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: who is crushing really hard on someone, you have that

533
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: fear of like, oh, okay, well our relationship is going

534
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: to change, I'm not gonna see you as much. But

535
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: her and have a lot of moments where they are

536
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: on this roof and they just are talking about life

537
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: and what they want to do, their fears. Then later

538
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: you find out the Darcy's they have kind of an

539
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: other rooftop situation where they could see what was going

540
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: on over there, which I love because at one point

541
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: there's a thrown meatball that was funny. Yeah that was

542
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: because he broke up with her. How rude. I mean, okay,

543
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: that was pretty bad. That was pretty bad, and their

544
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: relationship was so sweet.

545
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, how it goes again in the book as well.

546
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm loving the name comparisons too, because

547
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't know Bingsley and that's pretty.

548
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's just references Darcy Bingsley is references Bingsley

549
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: the entire time.

550
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: You don't know their first name.

551
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: There's a Fitzgerald who is his cousin that has the

552
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: sergeant that comes into play. Uh yeah, and then even

553
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 2: mister Bennett who is the father, is just known as

554
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: mister Bennett.

555
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: And missus Bennett.

556
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: So that's how we talk to about them.

557
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: We know about William Collins who is the cousin, and

558
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: then George Wickham. We do know that it's George Wickham,

559
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: but he goes by Wickham the entire time. So it's

560
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: kind of like the women we know Miss Elizabeth, uh,

561
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 2: miss Mary, who is Marisol miss Lydia. So yeah, so

562
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: we have all of those characters as well. But it's

563
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: quite funny.

564
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, there she keeps them pretty close in point

565
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: mm hmmm.

566
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: I'll have to pick your brain about that later. I'm

567
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: curious if the is it Lydia has the kind of

568
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: same like sloppy yes, night out, Yes, sort of.

569
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: She makes an embarrassment of herself, it is flirting, and

570
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: then she mos away with him, so we don't see

571
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: that through the comparison is that they actually just run

572
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: away as where uh and then you find that later

573
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: and they're in compromising situations. To me, they're just in

574
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: a hotel together. They don't find them in any real

575
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: Oh maybe they do. It's not the implication, but but yeah,

576
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: but like essentially is that. And then she comes back

577
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: bragging about landing a husband, essentially being the first girl

578
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: to land a husband, which is the big feet, and

579
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: then being upset a little bit that she didn't have

580
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: a big wedding, and everybody's like, because we had to

581
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: get your married in secret, or we're all going to

582
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: be like cast out of society, which means none of

583
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: us could get married. Yeah, okay, it's a little different.

584
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: The consequences you're much worse for Jane Austin's book.

585
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Wow, this is I can't wait to check this out.

586
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: All right, I'm still devastating though, Oh absolutely absolutely. I'm

587
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: glad it worked out how it did in the book, right, yes.

588
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

589
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Another scene I wanted to touch on is kind of

590
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: the theme of education, Janee being the first in her

591
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: family to go to college, Zuri being so into reading

592
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: books and writing and poetry. And now I know that

593
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: was a theme in the original Jane Austen work, but

594
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: that was something that she shared with her father.

595
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so like the reading, the love of reading.

596
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: So he and Jane Austen. Mister Bennett would say that

597
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: he had the young girls and they had heads among them,

598
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: but like that they were the silliest girls that they

599
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: have he had ever known, because they all battled about.

600
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Pratt told ye, I said it about men and boys,

601
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: and that was it. And the only ones that he

602
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: could stand that had any good sins, as he would say,

603
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: was the two oldest. But Jane was too kind and

604
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: Elizabeth was at least, you know, sarcastic, and he enjoyed that.

605
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: But we don't see that farrotism in the book, which

606
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: I do appreciate. But yeah, so here's a piece read

607
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: to travel. Papa always said, every book is a different hood,

608
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: a different country, a different world. Reading is how I

609
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: visit places in people and ideas. And when something rings true,

610
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: or if I still have a question, I outline it

611
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: with a bright yellow highlighter so that it's lit up

612
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: in my mind like a light bulb or a torch

613
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: leading the way to somewhere new. It's usually enough to

614
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: make me forget I've barely left Bushwick.

615
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I thought that was really interesting because

616
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: there was this piece where Jane and Zuri's father were

617
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, it is great here, but

618
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: there are other things, and Zuri kind of being resistant

619
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: to it because again, she's really protective of this neighborhood.

620
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: She loves this neighborhood. She's afraid of how it will

621
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: change when she leaves. She's afraid of gentrification, rightfully so.

622
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: But her family is kind of like, well, go see,

623
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: just go see, there's other things, which again is like

624
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: that coming of age story of that. I feel like

625
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: that's really relatable. Another thing that is a big theme

626
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: in the book is class. This is definitely throughout her

627
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: interactions series interactions with the Darcy family. I particularly was

628
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: shocked with what happened with the grandmother when she met her,

629
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: because it kept implying like maybe it would go fine,

630
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: and then it really didn't. Okay.

631
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: I was literally to you without the same thing with that,

632
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: with no perspective of pride and prejudice, because I was

633
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: waiting for it to get better thinking that she was,

634
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: especially when there was mentioned of Howard maybe she wasn't

635
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: an alumni and was gonna.

636
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: Like really get you know, get in with.

637
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: Her for the Nope, nope, but it was no so

638
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: she she truly was the AUNTI character who was judgmental

639
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: and doesn't and kept bringing up the other girl, Carrie Yes,

640
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: which again that's not like I guess. Carrie represented three

641
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: characters and one from the original, between the sickly daughter

642
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: who she wanted Darcy to end up with, or the

643
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: sisters who are mean. Bingley's sisters who are mean to

644
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: all of them just kind of stood like Jane a

645
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: little bit because Grandmother really preferred Carrie. So like I

646
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, Grandmother, that's not a good guy. I

647
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: really thought she was going to be better than this.

648
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: But I was wrong. Okay, cool, cool cool because even in.

649
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: The book, the aunt who is rooting for Darcy to

650
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: marry someone else for a while Elizabeth to the point

651
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: that she wants her to stick around, but then she

652
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: hates Elizabeth when she finds out that Darcy was thinking

653
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: about marrying her. So but yeah, so I was not expecting.

654
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: I was expecting to turn around too, just because of

655
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: the book, not necessarily because of the writing.

656
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: I was kind of expecting because Georgia seemed to be

657
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: such a genuine character, which yeah, I, which I get, like,

658
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: now that I've read it, I'm like, okay, I don't

659
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call her naive, but I think she was

660
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: just like hopeful and it didn't go that way right,

661
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: but she they because of her and Darius like less

662
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: or so, but they were both like, no, it'll be cool,

663
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: it'll be cool, right, and I kind of was trusting,

664
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: like they wouldn't eat her astray, which maybe is just

665
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: another example of class where they just in their heads

666
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: it's not as big of a deal. Yes, exactly, exactly.

667
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say Carrie's character, even though she was

668
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: a snob, didn't end as bad as I thought it would,

669
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: so I was like, yeah, so bad. Yeah, she's not

670
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: so bad. She's jealous and I can see why she's jealous,

671
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: but huh.

672
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was kind of confused while she was around,

673
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: but I did like because she goes from being like

674
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: a very jealous not nice at all too. I wouldn't

675
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: say like nice, but she did watch out for Zuri's sister.

676
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: She did kind of except for why was she then?

677
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: Why she letting warn alone with him?

678
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: But her?

679
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: But like okay, but like she wasn't trying to mess

680
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: anything up or purposely trying to do anything bad.

681
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: No, she was just not happy with She made it clear.

682
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: So here's a quote I wanted to read. So this

683
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: is kind of a a back and forth that happens

684
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: between Zuri and Darius. You know, Zuri, sometimes I'm baffled

685
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: by how judgmental you are. Darius is taking one hand

686
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: off the steering wheel. I side eyed him, baffled. I

687
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: should be the one who's baffled, and you, Darius Darcy,

688
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: are the walking definition of judgmental. I'm not judgmental. I'm

689
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: just an excellent judge of character. You fall short in

690
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: that department character. So you judge my sister's character, Yes,

691
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: I did, and she's cool. He says. If you need

692
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: some tips on how to accurately judge a person's character,

693
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: just let me know who back and forth.

694
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh my, this is a similar conversation in Prejudice.

695
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good because, like halfway through, it's interesting

696
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: when you're reading something from one person's point of view

697
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: and you're like yeah, yeah, and then halfway through I

698
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, she's kind of being judge

699
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: you too, all right, And then I get it. Totally

700
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: makes sense. Why she is. But it's just funny because

701
00:39:53,120 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: I think it was like halfway in and I was like, wait, which, yes,

702
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of related. Another big theme is reputation in this book.

703
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: Here's a quote I want to say the same thing

704
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: that I don't care about my reputation, but I do

705
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: because they already have one, all my sisters do. We

706
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: have to be careful about who we fall for, especially

707
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: me and Jenay, just because guys from around the way

708
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: like us. Even if we don't give them no play,

709
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: it's still easy for them to talk about us. Poppy

710
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: is watching us, but so is the rest of the neighborhood.

711
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: And then later, don't let your pride get in the way.

712
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting because I think it did

713
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: a really good job of examining reputation on a lot

714
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: of levels, like reputation in your neighborhood, like representing your

715
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: neighborhood and what you think that is, and then reputation

716
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: and like your family. There's just a lot of layers

717
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: of reputation that was looked at. I thought that was

718
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: really good. And then finally, this is kind of we've

719
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 1: been talking about all this stuff all along, but love

720
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: and money, Love and money again, I did think the

721
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: like hot neighbor moving in that was really funny in

722
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: the beginning, where all of the girls were like, let's

723
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: go meet them. Here is a quote, and there are

724
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: two ways to examine the institution of marriage. Marisol begins

725
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: in the whole room size because she's about to spill

726
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: out a series of facts, numbers, and statistics that all

727
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: have to do with the things she loves most in

728
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: the world. Money. It can either mean that marriage is

729
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: the false notion that love is forever and a woman

730
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: is left to depend on her husband for financial support,

731
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: or that two incomes are better than one loves. Abstract

732
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: money is not. And I thought like, even when I

733
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: was reading this, I was like, this is such an

734
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: interesting take on what I bet happened in Jane Alston version.

735
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: So in Jane Austen it is about religion. Oh, and

736
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: she is very scholarly and does not care for frivolous

737
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: things Mary because she is also all about quotes and books,

738
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: and but she does a lot of biblical And when

739
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: I say biblical, I'm gonna go like very Protestant, very

740
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: uh learned book, you know, biblical level of that. So

741
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: she's very into religion. In that term. She actually has

742
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: a crush on Colin, the cousin, and she was the

743
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: only one of all of them who wanted to get married.

744
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: But she's was seen as dowdy. I guess it's somewhat boring.

745
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a character like that in Persuasions,

746
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: wasn't there? Yes?

747
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 2: But she also like plays the piano in uh Brian

748
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: prejud and she doesn't play it well, but she thinks

749
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: she's amazing at it, and so she'll try to perform

750
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: and everybody's.

751
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: Like, you're really wishing she would stop.

752
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: Essentially, so she's a scholarly one, I guess, like but

753
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: just really boring, but always speaks up to tell facts

754
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: or like to correct a situation or something.

755
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: She's kind of the sad sack of the bunch.

756
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: Ah, I see, I see. I just thought it was

757
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: interesting kind of this like the breaking down of the

758
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: love and the money.

759
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: Like she's not wrong, but she kind of does that

760
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: in every way, Like when she's talking about the fact

761
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: that Lydia is ruined and then she brings into back

762
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: how we're all ruined and she's done this and of

763
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: course we're gonna be like they're like, can you stop.

764
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: Hold on, now, we get we get it. We're screwed.

765
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: Stop this.

766
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Oh how interesting. Yes, there's also a lot of themes

767
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: of jealousy throughout, which I thought I really appreciated it

768
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, in our modern times with

769
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: like the texting and he hasn't texted back, or we're like, wait,

770
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: what what does this mean? And kind of like making

771
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: Darius jealous with Warren like that kind of being in

772
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: the back of Surrey's mind anyway, So that was definitely

773
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: present in their messy courtship, I guess I'll call it,

774
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: but definitely throughout. Also, yeah, the pressure to find a

775
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: man her family, I would say, like they wouldn't they

776
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: would They kind of would be like, get a move on.

777
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: But it was more that they were like, she wouldn't

778
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: bring Warren to her like stoop, Yeah, because she didn't

779
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: want her whole family to know. It'll be real nosy. Yes,

780
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: And then when she was coming back with Darius in

781
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: the car from Washington.

782
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 4: D C.

783
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: She had to tell them and they were very nosy

784
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: and all the question right. Yeah.

785
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: So in the book, obviously the mother is all about

786
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: getting all the children off married and getting she's she's

787
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: also ridiculous of a character, very very made to be

788
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 2: that way. But the way that the mother in this one,

789
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: obviously she's much loved, more loving, and like a little

790
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: more fierce and independent, and not so much about that,

791
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: but the whole like little smiling and trying to get

792
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: them together or trying to get them alone and allow

793
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: them to be alone was definitely like a ploy. Also

794
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: the book, so like, she does a great job in

795
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: representing I think she did a great job in representing

796
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: these characters but not making them look caricaturish, Unlike, like,

797
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: even though Prime Prejudice was an old, like ridiculously big classic,

798
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: it still made the characters look caricaturish in a way

799
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: that you were like, yeah, the mom's if there was

800
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: a villain, mom would not be a villain, but she's

801
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: the foil.

802
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: You're right, that makes sense.

803
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: But I'm glad that that wasn't the case for this

804
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: one because it's so over the top of you just.

805
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: Like, how much do you dislike your mother? Yeah? Well yeah,

806
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: And I feel like most of the characters were very likable,

807
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: like yeah, and the ones you weren't supposed to like,

808
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: I didn't really hate. I just was right, So I

809
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: liked that, and I did. We didn't really go into

810
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: it much, but I did like at the kind of

811
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: the clash of cultures at the cocktail party when the

812
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: mother shows up with all of those foods. Yeah, the

813
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: darcies are clearly like catering essentially.

814
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 4: If it was a.

815
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Really it was a really enjoyable read. I think, you know,

816
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: even for me who hasn't read it, I enjoyed it.

817
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: I've loved hearing the comparisons. I can't wait to read

818
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: the original. Yeah, I'm gonna make you read the Regiournal soon.

819
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a great stand alone You don't need

820
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: it is though it is kind of a homage to

821
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: the Pride and Prejudice, and it is a retailing it's

822
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: it is a great standalone book.

823
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: It has a lot of great quotes. The poetry is

824
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: quite lovely as well. I really did enjoy all of that.

825
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: I was like, this is good. Sometimes I wonder when

826
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: people write things like this, I'm like, did you do

827
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: the poetry first, And you're like, I'm gonna do a

828
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: book with this because I've thought about that. I'm like,

829
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes because they are great stand alone poems

830
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: as is as well, so yes, book ten out of

831
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: ten everybody should read.

832
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: I love that. I thought it was great, highly recommends,

833
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to maybe an.

834
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a whole thing. You're gonna have to

835
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: watch the new book. I don't want to, but the

836
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: new one, and I'm gonna make you watch the BBC series.

837
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: For doing it.

838
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: I am into it. You don't have.

839
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: To again, like come back to Bridget Jones Diary as well,

840
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: because that is also a rendition of that.

841
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 3: Oh no, did you not know that?

842
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: You didn't know that girl?

843
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, that's why Darcy is in there.

844
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: And his name is.

845
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: Publishing, which is Wickham.

846
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh dear, I have a lot to learn. Oh no.

847
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: The guy who plays Bingsley is a very like has

848
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: a minor character, like he has one line and he's

849
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: in there.

850
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: I was like, Baisley, what are you doing here?

851
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 4: I probably was just like, yeah, I'd had to have

852
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 4: given you all the like tidbits to that because there's

853
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 4: no way I want to let you go.

854
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you definitely told me about calling first,

855
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's no way I would to let you go.

856
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: On would like throw out be like this is this,

857
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: this is this, this is this, and it also starts

858
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: with the line is the truth universally acknowledged?

859
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: It starts with that line as well. Hmmm, well, now

860
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: I know you know you're opening my world.

861
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: We can try this.

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