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Speaker 1: It is a good one.

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Speaker 1: A low fat craze is what made us all eat

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Speaker 1: Jeez, wow, I don't think I need that. I know

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Speaker 1: But I like the idea of hiring someone to knock

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Speaker 1: If I ever eat this again, punch me in the throat.

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Speaker 1: Well have you ever seen me eating this again? Punch

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Speaker 3: What outfit is that?

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Speaker 3: You make me feel strong?

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Speaker 4: And it's all these women that are looking at that

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Speaker 2: And to respond to you, Jack, the idea that we

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Speaker 2: Could we take a look at that perhaps? Anyway, if

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Speaker 1: It's easy to like just use as an excuse to

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Speaker 2: M hm. So one more anecdote from this, because I

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Speaker 2: thought this was interesting. It's a dude I can't remember

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Speaker 2: his first name, but he was encouraged to consume every

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Speaker 2: last morsel of his frosted flakes breakfast down to the

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Speaker 1: I had a bowl of them nine before last frostate flakes.

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Speaker 1: Drank the milk like a child. Anyway, scientists at the facility,

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Speaker 1: I want to know exactly how much he's eating of

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Speaker 2: An IV stuck out of his hand nine times. Over

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Speaker 2: the next four hours, A technician drew his blood to

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Speaker 2: through a DEXA scan. I think that's bone density, a

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Speaker 1: I give everybody a stool sample where they asked for

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Speaker 2: So this is incredibly thorough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if I was hooked up to some

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Speaker 1: that done. Blah blah blah, or you could go with this.

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Speaker 2: He was on day thirteen of his largely ultra processed

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Speaker 2: actually a lot of convenience foods. He said. He felt

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Speaker 2: He said, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Actually I actually I would do worse if I didn't

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Speaker 1: It's like if you own a dog. People who own

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Speaker 1: Having kids, I eat because if I didn't have a kid,

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Speaker 1: crappy meal with no vegetable or anything like that at night,

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Speaker 1: too much. Yesh, effort, it's not so much taste with me.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's effort.

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Speaker 2: so effortless. To a pop tart, a pop tart planet,

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Speaker 2: he's eleven years old. Eleven, Yeah, forever eleven, the Jack

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Speaker 2: Armstrong Story.

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Speaker 1: Forever eleven. A pop tart straight out of the toaster.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's delicious, sad.

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Speaker 2: It's a pop tart. And then to Mike Flurry, well,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's it.