1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Before getting into this episode, we do want to give 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: a warning that we'll be discussing matters of domestic violence. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: with iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 3: Everyone. 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to a breaking news episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: We're here to talk about something very serious and very awful. 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: There was a video that was released today about an 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: hour ago to TMZ from somebody in I'm assuming Dakota's 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: camp that shows the video of the twenty twenty three 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: attack on him by Taylor. So this is not the 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: one that has been making current headlines, but and this 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: has been you know, she's been arrested for the incident 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: that is now online. We've never seen in the video before, 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: and it's bad. 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: A couple of questions, just for clarity's sake, One is 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: is it why was he was he filming it? Do 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: you think because this had happened in. 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: The past or lots of people say lots of people 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: are advised when in an abusive relationship to film moments 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: like that so that they have the evidence that the 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: police will need. Girls sometimes don't videotape it, but then 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: they'll like send text or like they'll do voice recordings 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: and date them and all of that. So this is 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: not weird behavior for somebody who is being abused. 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: And the second question I've had is who released it? 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: And then why do we think now. 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: That is the interesting? That is, Yeah, that's that's interesting. 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: So Dakota will really stop at nothing. Somebody said, this 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: is a video that he released to TMZ. It's terrible. 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: It's not saying nobody's saying that it isn't. But this 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: video is from two thousand and three and he decided 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: to just release it right now before Bachelorette season aired. 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: Some people are saying that it was him directly because 35 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: because now his like meal ticket is gone. Like, some 36 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: people are arguing that this is I don't think the 37 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: meal ticket is him being on Secret Lives. But now 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: with like all of this, all these headlines, people are 39 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: speculating that she will not be on Secret Lives anymore, 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: and now he's just kind of over it. People. We 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: do not actually know who released the video, but people 42 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: are obviously expecting that it's somebody that is close to 43 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: to Dakota, as this person would need to obviously get 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: video footage from his phone or footage that he sent 45 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: to a friend. 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: I'm going to read through. 47 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 3: We do have a comment from a couple of people 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: from Bachelor Nation on the video. Blake Hortzman comments underneath 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: the video. His comment reads, this is insane. He says, 50 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: underneath the TMC video. Let's dive in a little bit 51 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 3: to what the video is. It's a triggering video. It's 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: not easy to watch. We see the beginning of it's 53 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 3: kind of hard to follow, but as the video progresses 54 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: we do see. 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 4: I think one of. 56 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: The most horrifying moments is there's chairs being thrown and yeah, 57 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 3: there's a daughter in the room with them. I can't 58 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: tell from the video if the daughter is struck by 59 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: the chair not but the chair does fly across the room, 60 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: the daughter is in there. You do hear the daughter crying. 61 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: It's how the video ends. This isn't a very long video, 62 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: So the backstory of what led to this I'm not 63 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: familiar with. Maybe you do know, Ashley. 64 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: The backstory is that he does call the police and 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: she is arrested after this video. 66 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: But what led to this argument, like, why did he 67 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: decide to pull out his phone? 68 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Nobody knows he's assuming recording this, as he's probably had 69 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: instances lead like this leading up to this moment, which 70 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: is why he pulled his phone out to record, and 71 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: or he thinks that if he shows what she's like 72 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: in a moment like this, that she'll stop, because maybe 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: she like blacks out these moments. We also know that 74 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: she doesn't drink anymore, and she said that she stopped 75 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: drinking after a moment. It's unclear whether it's the moment 76 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: that led to her arrests. I'm not sure about that. 77 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: She may have spoken about that before, but this is 78 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: around the time that she stopped drinking. 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 4: You know this whole thing. 80 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: Actually, if I can just speak, the video was released, 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: so now we have footage of not the most recent 82 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: incident that caused the cameras at secret lives of Mormon 83 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: wives to shut down, that this was the original incident 84 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: that has been known to everyone for a long time. 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: I don't this is the first time we're seeing the video, 86 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: but we now see why the arrest was made in 87 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. So I want to just speak. I 88 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: guess on how I'm processing this. I don't know how 89 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: else to talk about it. I'm still standing firm in 90 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: this hope that Taylor gets help. She needs help, nobody 91 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: behaves this way without getting care and getting clarity and 92 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: getting rest and getting some type of professional help beyond 93 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: sometimes even talk therapy beyond that. So, because this is disturbing, 94 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: there's nothing about this video that's not hard to watch. 95 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: It's hard for a grown man to watch, it's hard 96 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: for a grown woman to watch. It's hard for anybody 97 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: to watch this video because it is it feels. It's scary. 98 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: When chairs are being thrown across the room at another human, 99 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: it is scary. But how I'm processing this is this 100 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: domestic violence is a major issue. I don't understand how 101 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: at some level and this has become excusable or something 102 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: we can look past it. 103 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: Again. 104 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that Taylor needs to define herself by 105 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: this moment. It was a bad moment. It might have 106 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: been multiple bad moments, we don't know. It doesn't mean 107 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: that that has to define the rest of her life. 108 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: I don't want that for anybody. I don't want your 109 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: worst moments to ever define you. But what it also 110 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: means with her being cast as the lead of the 111 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 3: show is it's almost like we're we've moved on past it, 112 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: And I think that was our hope as we broke down. 113 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: Frankie Fridays was, Hey, we know we cannot ignore this 114 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: thing that happened in twenty twenty three. We know it's 115 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: a big deal, but yet her and Dakotas still seemed 116 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: to hang out. Obviously, now we know that they slept 117 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: together the night before the bachelorette. So whatever happened between 118 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: the two of them that caused this arrest has you know, 119 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: the parties involved have must come to some like forgiveness 120 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: and there must have been some progress forward. That was 121 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: kind of from a fan's perspective. I guess how we're 122 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: reading into it, but we can't ignore that this has happened. 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: But I think I was under the assumption, maybe that 124 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: she was cast as the lead because this was a 125 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: part of her life that everybody felt strongly was far gone. 126 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: Right, she quit drinking. That's a huge step. Right. 127 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: Drinking is oftentimes a drug that leads to behavior that 128 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: we don't, we're not proud of, or that will regret. 129 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: So she quit drinking. She took that step. She did 130 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: go get the help she talks about in episode one. 131 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: She got some help. She spoke about it publicly. So 132 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: the only knowledge we had was, hey, everybody's aware of this. 133 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: Things have been all parties involved have moved on, and 134 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: they've moved on together, and now she's in a new 135 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: chapter of life. 136 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: But then this incident happens, and we still don't. 137 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: Have the clarity on what this incident was that shut 138 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: down the filming of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. But 139 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: my question is, like, how could they have cast this? No, Like, 140 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: maybe they didn't. I don't want to be an excuse maker, 141 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: but maybe they didn't know that this was still something 142 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: that she would be susceptible to, that this would be 143 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: her reaction to something that was frustrating. But it feels 144 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: like we're almost excusing domestic violence. And that is just 145 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 3: I almost feel like weird saying I don't know why 146 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: I feel weird saying it's like, it's not okay, how 147 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: are we excusing this? 148 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's such a weird situation because obviously a lot 149 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 5: of like really hardcore supporters of Taylor might say, you 150 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 5: guys knew that happened in twenty twenty three and that 151 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 5: she has forgiven you know, she has been forgiven in 152 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 5: some ways by Dakota to the point where they obviously 153 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 5: continue their relationship that she has learned and changed her 154 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 5: lifestyle and all that, and they're gonna say, well, you 155 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 5: knew that. 156 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: Going into the casting. And then they're going to say, 157 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: and this video is from twenty twenty three, like, can't 158 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: hold this against her now that you're seeing it differently 159 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: than you would have just knowing that she had been 160 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: arrested for it. The fact of the matter is you 161 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: can't change how people react to things, and we're going 162 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: to react more strongly when we actually see the video, 163 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: So the seeing it does change things. And when you 164 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: pair it with the fact that this has been three 165 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: weeks of something happening over there where it's been shut 166 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: down because the girls feel so seriously about whatever recently happened, 167 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: it's just it's the combination. 168 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: I'm also, you know, as we do this dive, deep 169 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: dive into everybody's reactions and what's happening, you know, without 170 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: knowing any really details around what happened that caused the 171 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: cameras to shut down, a lot of Taylor's biggest supporters 172 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: are saying, and I think Taylor's even kind of like 173 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 3: hinted at it that Dakota is like trying to sabotage 174 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: her where is that coming from? Without watching the show, 175 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: I don't know who he is or his personality, but 176 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: where is it coming from that they feel like he 177 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: is out to sabotage her? 178 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's Again I haven't watched season 179 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: four yet, but I wouldn't say there's anything that we've 180 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: seen that they've just been volatile, Like their whole relationship 181 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: has been volatile. So I think people are just like, 182 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: but he. 183 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: Keeps coming back to her, and she keeps coming back 184 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: to him. 185 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: What's happening is just like the ultimate toxic relationship. And 186 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: I think that because we all know it is a 187 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: toxic relationship and it's unfolded in front of people's eyes 188 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: for like the past two years. Now, I think they 189 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: just think, oh, this is his next move because he 190 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: hates that she's about to be the bachelorette, or perhaps 191 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: he hates the fact that she was engaged, because maybe 192 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: she was engaged, and so now he's just trying to 193 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: sabotage this opportunity for her. I think that for Secret 194 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: Lives to be shut down for three weeks means that 195 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: there is evidence that he's not lying about what happened 196 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: three weeks ago. And that the other girls are supporting him. 197 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: Are they supporting him? 198 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: That's just what I'm feeling, Okay, that they are because 199 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: they are kind of on strike right now, and I 200 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: don't think that they would be on strike if they 201 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: didn't have some sort of proof. 202 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 4: I don't know. 203 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: What. 204 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: Hannah comes in and says, they're not supporting him. 205 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: They're not supporting him. 206 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 6: Hi, guys, I'm gonna jump in real fast, be on 207 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 6: another zoom and I'm actually in the car. They they 208 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 6: are fully supporting Taylor to get the help she needs. Yea, they, 209 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 6: but they at this whole season of season four that 210 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 6: I've like, I'm almost done with it. They want Dakoda 211 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 6: off the show because of how he react, because how 212 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 6: he sets Taylor off. Essentially, they do think he sabotages 213 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 6: them or sabotages Taylor anytimes she has something good coming 214 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 6: up or she's ready to move on. He then essentially 215 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 6: like will love bomb her and tell her he loves 216 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 6: her and he wants to marry her and everything's in 217 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 6: the past and that he and like so he does 218 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 6: kind of like mess with her head in this like 219 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 6: sight toxic cycle that they have, and the girls do 220 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 6: see that so they have been very supportive of trying 221 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 6: to get Dakota off the show. 222 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: Interesting, so do we see the sabotaging behavior during Secret 223 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 3: Lives It is. 224 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 6: I would say it's a manipulative tactic and it's not 225 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 6: soon were obvious. But there's like a scene where all 226 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 6: the girls go to La for to support Whitney and 227 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 6: jen on Dancing with the Stars and dad Talk comes. 228 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 6: Essentially all the husbands come, but some of the women 229 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 6: say they only come because of the women who have 230 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 6: like young babies to take care of. And then Dakota 231 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 6: shows up when like Taylor was like kind of trying 232 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 6: to like meet a guy and have him over and 233 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 6: Dakota just kind of like crashed it, which led to 234 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 6: like a pretty massive toxic fight, and then I mean 235 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 6: it's bad because then Taylor slept with him, and so 236 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 6: it's just like a really vicious toxic cycle. But I 237 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 6: would say Dakota is not innocent as far as like 238 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 6: emotional abuse and kind of initiating this cycle. 239 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: Okay, So I was just referring to them the past 240 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: three weeks they feel like but I guess that's a 241 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: different situation. They like just don't want her, but don't 242 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: They like also not want her to get away with it. 243 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 6: I think they just want her to get the help 244 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 6: that she needs, like that you'll see in this season 245 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 6: season four, they constantly are talking to her about their 246 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 6: trying to support her in a way that's like, you 247 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 6: have this incredible opportunity for the bachelorette, don't ruin it. 248 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 6: So they really try to kind of support her and 249 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 6: trying to get him away. But they realize like anytime 250 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 6: he comes around, it's just like and essentially they the 251 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 6: reason they also think he's sabotages is because it comes 252 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 6: out that he sleeps with a couple of Taylor's close 253 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 6: friends and then before the girls have the app and 254 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 6: then he tells her, so it was like she's four 255 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 6: days away from leaving for the bachelorette and that's when 256 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 6: he decided to like drop the bomb on her that 257 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 6: he slept with some of her friends and it just 258 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 6: like sends her into a spiral. So that's where like 259 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 6: the sabotaging comes from. 260 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Hannah having It's nice to have somebody 261 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: who's seen season four on here. I also have a question, 262 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: do you think that the guy do you think that 263 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: this is him that released the video. I mean, it's 264 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: kind of kind of has to be right, It's got 265 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: to be someone or someone very close. 266 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: To him, I do. 267 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 6: I mean, yes, I agree with you. It has to 268 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 6: be either him or someone super close there is I mean, 269 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 6: it's obviously his video. It's he's holding the camera, it's 270 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 6: his point of view. 271 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: The time. 272 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 6: And I do agree with some people that the timing 273 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 6: of all of this is very suspicious of this like 274 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 6: coming out right now. But regardless of that, this, this 275 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 6: video is horrific and it's it's not okay. But I 276 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 6: mean it's it's got to be him or somebody close 277 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 6: to him. I don't know how else they would get 278 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 6: this video. 279 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: I think Hannah just summed it up perfectly. This video 280 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: is horrific. It is it's not okay, and fans of 281 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: Taylor are not. Like we were sitting here and I 282 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: guess we still are going Taylor, like, we've learned a 283 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: lot about you, you know, over the last few months, 284 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: and it's now this like plea I guess as a 285 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: fan of hers, to say, please go get help, take 286 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: a break. You've communicated on social media how tired you 287 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: are and how strung out you are, and how overwhelming 288 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: this has been. You need to put your foot down 289 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: and say it's too much for me right now, I 290 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: need to take a break this video, no matter when 291 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: it happened and when it was released, I think the 292 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: timing is suspect. I don't know who it came from 293 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: and why it came out now. I don't know that, 294 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: And that's a whole different conversation about, you know, trying 295 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: to cause chaos in the midst of something good in 296 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: somebody else's life, but we don't know the details of that. 297 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: But watching this video is not okay. 298 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: Like when I watch this video, the contents of this 299 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: video is not okay. 300 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: It's not good. 301 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: Here's my question through it all. And again, I'm somewhat 302 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: naive to all this, so I know I'm speaking from 303 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: a place of opinions and at sometimes even a lack 304 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: of understanding of what all's happening here. I get that, 305 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: But I know enough from breaking down everything and researching 306 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 3: the Bachelorette and seeing the lead up to the show, 307 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 3: is this and this isn't a not I don't want 308 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: anybody to hear this and think this is a knock 309 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 3: on Taylor or Dakota I don't know these people personally 310 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: by it, I don't know them at all. But when 311 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: if it was obvious the show and the powers of 312 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: be and the fans knew that something bad happened in 313 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, to what extent we just found out today? 314 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: What that you know video showed? Why are we platforming 315 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: this couple? Like, let's get all away from the Bachelorette 316 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: for a second. We have a Secret Lives and Mormon 317 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 3: Wife show that came out, Like, why is this what 318 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: we're representing through a through Disney, a family television, like 319 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 3: a network created to inspire and imagine for the for 320 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 3: kids and adults everywhere. Why is this what we're platforming now? 321 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me. 322 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't make sense. 323 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 4: Am I wrong? Do you disagree? 324 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no not. I completely agree. This 325 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: is like horrendous. I think it's I think that video 326 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: with the child involved in the way that those stools 327 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: just flew at him, three of them, It's awful. I 328 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: just had to I guess, like, I'm just trying to 329 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: think from the perspective of being in their shoes right now. 330 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: I think that there must have been something that happened 331 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: in February to make Dakota take the actions that she's 332 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: making now. Are those close to him, I. 333 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 4: Don't agree with that. 334 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: You don't no base on what we're hearing from her 335 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: friends and from her is I wonder if he would 336 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: have found a way to do this no matter what 337 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: he was loved. You know, the rumor is he loves 338 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 3: bombs her right right before a bigger moment. 339 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: And especially if he was engaged and happy in a relationship. 340 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe this would have like, maybe he would 341 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: have found a different way. It doesn't make his behavior 342 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: any better. We don't know though, that he even released 343 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: a vide Like, we don't know any of that, so 344 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: we're just speaking on speculation there. 345 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 4: The video is bad. 346 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: I just like, I can't step away from this fact. 347 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: And I think the video is so bad. And if 348 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: we'd ever seen this video back in August, you know, 349 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: when they decided that she was giving a bachelor, there's 350 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: no way, if there's actual video footage out there, they 351 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: would not have done this. I mean, they couldn't possibly 352 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: even if you know, you know, secret lives went on 353 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: and all that. We just it's so much different seeing it. 354 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 3: But they were leaning into it, Ashley, This wasn't a 355 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: new a new chapter for Taylor's story. This was, you know, 356 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: an unpredictable season and a messy season. They were leaning 357 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 3: into this idea that things were gonna be chaotic. 358 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, they weren't trying to make it 359 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: seem I don't know, Sorry, I'm not a loss for 360 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: words right now. 361 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 4: Does the show air? Does? Does it come out on Sunday? 362 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: No, it can't come out on Sunday. It certainly can't 363 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: come out on Sunday. And I think it'd be weird 364 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: as hell for to air. You and I have seen 365 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: the first episode. You guys, we've already recapped the first 366 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: episode on recording. It would be so bizarre to watch 367 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: that season after watching that video. We just couldn't do it. 368 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: We also have to think about all the guys out 369 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: there that signed up for this season and had all 370 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: these experiences experiences with her, and now they're seeing this video. 371 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: Think about the guy that she chooses. You know, I've 372 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: been adamant that I don't think she chooses anyone, and 373 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: now that they're spoilers out there, like, I think she 374 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: chooses someone, and I just can't imagine being him. 375 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: Okay, so summarize all this, I guess to put our 376 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 3: thoughts in concise manner. A video is released by TMZ 377 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: showing the altercation between Dakota and Taylor that led to 378 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three arrest. That video is now out 379 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: there everywhere. I mean goodness. It was released an hour 380 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: and a half ago and it's on every news cycle 381 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: that I can see that when I turn on my 382 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: computer or when I turn. 383 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 4: On my phone. 384 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: So the video is not good. It's not good at all. 385 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: There's nothing to it that isn't hard to watch. It's 386 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways it feels. 387 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: Goodness, I'll use Taylor's words. 388 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: It's not only heavy, it's also disturbing because there is 389 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: this like switch that doesn't flip even in the midst 390 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 3: of a kid in the room chairs being thrown. It's 391 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: not like a moment to calm down. It just gets 392 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 3: worse and worse as you watch the video. And now 393 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 3: we sit as our you know, this really anticipated season 394 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: of The Bachelorette is supposed to air in just a 395 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 3: few days, and wondering, you know, will it air, should 396 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: it air, and if it does air, how do they 397 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: even broach the fact that now anybody wants to has seen. 398 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 4: This incident. And then on the back of all that, 399 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 4: we've had an. 400 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: Incident in February that's caused the Secret Lives of Mormon 401 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: Wives cameras to shut down and for the contestants in 402 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: that show to plead for Taylor to get help, as 403 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: Hannah shared, and for Dakota to kind of take a 404 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: step away from it all because when he's around, it's 405 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 3: not good. It's not just it's not even good TV. 406 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: It's just unhealthy for everyone involved. And so there's a 407 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: lot of still unknowns. The pieces of the puzzle of 408 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 3: what happened in February are still very much unknown. But 409 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: this video did come out, and I do think I 410 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: think no matter what, no matter what you feel about this, 411 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 3: no matter what you think about Taylor, no matter like 412 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: what side you're on in all of this, and I 413 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: don't even know what's like, I don't know enough to 414 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 3: make like strict judgments on this. No matter what, when 415 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 3: this video affects things, even if it was in twenty 416 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: twenty three, because it was released, like it or not, 417 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 3: it does affect things because it now gives us, as 418 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: actually said a picture of what happened in twenty twenty 419 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: three and how bad it was. That makes us go, hey, 420 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 3: you can't ignore it like this. This is too much 421 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 3: in our face now, like it or not, it's going 422 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: to change the way this show. And really, I think 423 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: Taylor's personal life moves from here. 424 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: As Ben mentioned, I just feel like there are a 425 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: lot there's no right and wrong. There's right and wrong here. 426 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: There's blatant right and wrong here. But there's like a 427 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts and opinions. And I just want to 428 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: say that this is us talking out our thoughts and opinions, 429 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: like we don't nobody, I don't. There's so much we're 430 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: just we're just talking things out. 431 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're not afraid to say domestic violence is bad. 432 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: No, of course, of course we're saying this like this 433 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: is what we were saying the denestic volumes is horrible. This 434 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: video is horrible. And that is what we know. That 435 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: is what we know. Everything else, well, we honestly don't know. 436 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: We're talking. 437 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is not good. 438 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 3: It's not good, and something has to happen, like the 439 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: like Disney or ABC. Somebody has to say something at 440 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: some point, so we know where the people that are, 441 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 3: you know, pulling the strings, where they what they think 442 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 3: about all this, what they feel about it if they 443 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: decide to air the show Sunday. I want to hear 444 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 3: why they're deciding to air this show. Even if it is, Hey, 445 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 3: we've spent our whole budget for the year on this show. 446 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: We have to air it or this whole thing goes under. 447 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 3: I want to hear them say that if it's Hey, 448 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: I want to know. 449 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: I feel for the people who worked on the show, 450 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: not the people that put her in this position, but 451 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: I feel like she that like everybody that you know, 452 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: it works behind the scenes like so much blood, sweat 453 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: and tears, and they're excited for the public to see 454 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: it and then this is happening. I also want to 455 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: mention something that Charity said, and you may have covered 456 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: it in the podcast this week, but she said I 457 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: think it was Charity. I'm sorry if it wasn't. But 458 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: Bachelor alum, whoever you were, said, it's great that we 459 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: can that like the show lets you discover so many 460 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: things about yourself and it helps you grow and all 461 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: of that could take you away from a bad situation 462 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: at home. But it's also not mental health like therapy. 463 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: It's not like a retreat center that's going to cure 464 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: your issues. And if her girls at Secret Lives really 465 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: wanted her to get help and thought that she really 466 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: needed it, I'm not believing them. But like, if he 467 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: was already in that position over the summer where she 468 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: was needing help, the bachelor reat wasn't the place to 469 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: get her therapy. 470 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 3: No, somebody, I mean, I would hope somebody that cared 471 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: about her would have stepped in and been like, hey, 472 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: maybe not now, Like this opportunity is probably going to 473 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: exist for you in another year. It would probably let's 474 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 3: just take it, take some time. As stuff comes out, 475 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: we'll continue to jump on talk about it. A lot's happening. Goodness, 476 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 3: it feels like the last week has been a year Lee, 477 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: you know, and it's leading up to Sunday's premiere of 478 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 3: a very anticipated season of The Bachelorette that I know 479 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: they put a ton of time, effort, and money behind. 480 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: And it's one of the reasons. 481 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 3: Why I would love to hear what they have to say, 482 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: like what are they thinking, how are they navigating this? 483 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 3: It would bring a lot of a lot of clarity 484 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 3: and it would sure up a lot of the things 485 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: that we're speculating honestly right now and that fans are speculating. 486 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: But we'll see. We'll be back until next time. I've 487 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: been Ben, I've been Ashley. 488 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: Love you guys by 489 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 490 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.