1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,240
Speaker 1: The standard American diet is absolutely atrocious. For the guy.

2
00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,120
Speaker 2: Today's guest has spent over twenty years building health and

3
00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,840
Speaker 2: supplement companies. He's a microbiologist, a researcher, and the driving

4
00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,639
Speaker 2: force behind some of the most trusted gut health supplements

5
00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,720
Speaker 2: in the world, including just Thrive, where he is the

6
00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,040
Speaker 2: lead in scientific development.

7
00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,200
Speaker 1: We look at people with IBS irritable bowel syndrome. If

8
00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,959
Speaker 1: you have IBS, somewhere around sixty percent of people with

9
00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,200
Speaker 1: IBS have diagnosed mood disorders right anxiety and depression.

10
00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,600
Speaker 2: What would you say is the biggest lie that Big

11
00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,600
Speaker 2: Farmer has sold us about our health? We started thinking

12
00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,120
Speaker 2: about what protocol should someone go on when they're taking

13
00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,760
Speaker 2: antibiotics to help save their gut.

14
00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,920
Speaker 1: I've discovered a compound. If you take enough of this compound,

15
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,320
Speaker 1: it will reduce your risk of dying from anything by

16
00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,680
Speaker 1: forty five fifty percent.

17
00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm radi WK and on my podcast A Really Good Cry.

18
00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,839
Speaker 2: We embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space

19
00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,959
Speaker 2: for raw, unfiltered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow you

20
00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,400
Speaker 2: to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together.

21
00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,120
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here on a really

22
00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,839
Speaker 2: good cry. I am so excited to get into the conversation.

23
00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,120
Speaker 2: How are you feeling today? Are you feeling good?

24
00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm feeling amazing, great.

25
00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,959
Speaker 2: Great, Well, I have to say, just Thrive probiotics and

26
00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,880
Speaker 2: you do so many other supplements there, but just our

27
00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,240
Speaker 2: probiotics have been the best ones that I've ever tried

28
00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,840
Speaker 2: my gut. Thanks to you very much for that. And

29
00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to get into a conversation all about

30
00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,160
Speaker 2: how people can heal their gut. It's one of the

31
00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,399
Speaker 2: questions I get the most in the DMS, and I

32
00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,319
Speaker 2: think people really enjoy learning the details, and I know

33
00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,319
Speaker 2: you are the person for that.

34
00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,680
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it. I'm the biggest gut nerd are you amazing?

35
00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,639
Speaker 1: You've had on the program so great. I'm excited.

36
00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,880
Speaker 2: I would love to know why you decided to go

37
00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,320
Speaker 2: into gut health. I want to start there.

38
00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know so. I'm trained as a microbiologist. My

39
00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,360
Speaker 1: parents are both scientists of sorts. My mom's a medical doctor.

40
00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,040
Speaker 1: My dad was a microelectronics engineer, and he was like

41
00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,320
Speaker 1: the innovation side, the systems engineering side. He's had you know,

42
00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,960
Speaker 1: over two hundred and fifty US patents, his name for

43
00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,040
Speaker 1: inventing stuff in microchips and all that, and then my

44
00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,400
Speaker 1: mom is the clinical science side, and I think I

45
00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,960
Speaker 1: got a little bit of mix of both. So I

46
00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,320
Speaker 1: love the clinical science, that's where my passion is, but

47
00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,080
Speaker 1: I bring kind of a systems thinking to it. And

48
00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,519
Speaker 1: so when I was in college, I was trying to

49
00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,679
Speaker 1: figure out what am I going to study. Like any

50
00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,760
Speaker 1: good Indian kid, I should be pretty mad. Of course

51
00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,760
Speaker 1: I was pretty mad already, but I didn't know exactly

52
00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,239
Speaker 1: what I was going to study. And so the first

53
00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,840
Speaker 1: week in college, I watched this movie called Outbreak, So

54
00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,000
Speaker 1: for those that aren't as old as me, that's an

55
00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,679
Speaker 1: old school movie with Morgan Freeman and Dustin Hoffman, and

56
00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,120
Speaker 1: it was about like a little epidemic that breaks out

57
00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,119
Speaker 1: in a small town and then the people that were

58
00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,040
Speaker 1: solving the problem were these microbiologists and virologists from the

59
00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,720
Speaker 1: CDC and other places, and they were trying to chase

60
00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,720
Speaker 1: these viruses down and figure out a cure of it

61
00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,040
Speaker 1: and all that. So I thought that was super exciting.

62
00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,600
Speaker 1: So I went into the world of microbiology and that

63
00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,680
Speaker 1: became a massive for me because what you start to

64
00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,440
Speaker 1: realize when you study the world of microbes is that

65
00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,320
Speaker 1: it's an invisible thing around you, but it affects every

66
00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,239
Speaker 1: aspect of your life. Yeah, right, It's like the quantum

67
00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,680
Speaker 1: mechanics of biology. And so then I started, actually, there

68
00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,120
Speaker 1: was a definitive moment. So in the world of microbiology,

69
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,360
Speaker 1: you always you end up studying pathogens a lot, right.

70
00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,480
Speaker 1: And then I was interviewed for this program called US

71
00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,320
Speaker 1: News and World Report, and they had asked me the

72
00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,680
Speaker 1: question what percentage of microbes are actually harmful? Right? So

73
00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,520
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I never really thought about that.

74
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,680
Speaker 1: Let me dig into it a little bit, got into

75
00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,040
Speaker 1: the research on it, and started realizing that at best,

76
00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,960
Speaker 1: it's around point one percent, zero point one percent at best.

77
00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,720
Speaker 1: And that's like me being very generous with me. So,

78
00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,320
Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent of microbes ever discovered are

79
00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,480
Speaker 1: either benign or beneficial, but we put so much emphasis

80
00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,840
Speaker 1: on that point one percent that can cause illness or disease.

81
00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,120
Speaker 1: And then it started to click, like, wait a minute,

82
00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,760
Speaker 1: the best way to control the point one percent that

83
00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,720
Speaker 1: is problematic is to allow the ninety nine point nine

84
00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:12,640
Speaker 1: percent to flourish.

85
00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,080
Speaker 2: Right, makes sense.

86
00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,880
Speaker 1: They do a way better job of it than we can.

87
00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,240
Speaker 1: And so that was a gap in the clinical scientific

88
00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,960
Speaker 1: microbiology medicine world, and I was like, how do I

89
00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,560
Speaker 1: study that ninety nine point nine percent? How do I

90
00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,200
Speaker 1: build a career in that? Shortly after that, the Human

91
00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,760
Speaker 1: Microbiome Project kicked off, which is the project by the

92
00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,760
Speaker 1: NIH to study this complex ecosystem that we have within us.

93
00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,800
Speaker 1: Really it's the study of the ninety nine point nine percent,

94
00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,120
Speaker 1: and so I was like, that's it, That's what I'm doing, right.

95
00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,360
Speaker 1: So I dove head first in fifteen eighteen years ago

96
00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,799
Speaker 1: and haven't looked back since.

97
00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,640
Speaker 2: It's so interesting how even in research it was end

98
00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,040
Speaker 2: up focusing on the things, which I was like, how

99
00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,680
Speaker 2: do we kill the bad things? And forgets to think

100
00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,520
Speaker 2: how do we actually support and nourish and help the

101
00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,359
Speaker 2: good things flourish, which is what you're focusing on. My

102
00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,000
Speaker 2: mum's a micropologist. Actually, Oh amazing, Yeah.

103
00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:07,280
Speaker 1: Good.

104
00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,560
Speaker 2: But in all the research that you've done, you said

105
00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,040
Speaker 2: you've been doing it for nearly fifteen years now, what

106
00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,320
Speaker 2: was the most surprising thing that you found out about

107
00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:14,640
Speaker 2: the gut?

108
00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 1: Number one? I think the big theme is how impactful

109
00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,000
Speaker 1: the gut is to everything that happens in our boin

110
00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,279
Speaker 1: We've always obviously understood that the gut is important for digestion,

111
00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,640
Speaker 1: and then maybe the assimilation of nutrients has an impact

112
00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,719
Speaker 1: on everything else. But now what we're really coming to

113
00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,200
Speaker 1: understand is that the gut is a central command center

114
00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,680
Speaker 1: for how the rest of the body works and functions,

115
00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:42,560
Speaker 1: and it's also the largest reservoir of our functionality. Right,

116
00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,880
Speaker 1: So let me elaborate on what that means. Right, So,

117
00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,040
Speaker 1: if we look at genetics, we've always known that genetics

118
00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,440
Speaker 1: codes for proteins and other functions, right, so we're like, okay,

119
00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,719
Speaker 1: everything that happens in our body is coded for by genetics.

120
00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,719
Speaker 1: We look at our own genome. We've got about twenty

121
00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,000
Speaker 1: two thousand functional genes and it may sound like a lot,

122
00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,000
Speaker 1: but an earthworm has thirty thousand functional genes. No way,

123
00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,000
Speaker 1: a cockroach has twenty one or twenty two thousand functional genes.

124
00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,760
Speaker 1: So we're not all that much more sophisticated than a cockroaches.

125
00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,960
Speaker 1: And that's crazy to think, because then you go, well,

126
00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,040
Speaker 1: how are we so complex? Right? How are we at

127
00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,120
Speaker 1: the top of the evolutionary ladder? How are we at

128
00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,440
Speaker 1: the top of the food chain. Well, as it turns out,

129
00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,720
Speaker 1: we have over two and a half microbial genes in

130
00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,920
Speaker 1: our system. Right, this is largely in the gut, where

131
00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,080
Speaker 1: the vast majority of microbes are, and we use so

132
00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,040
Speaker 1: much of that genetic capability to function as humans, which

133
00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,720
Speaker 1: means we have to reset how we think of ourselves.

134
00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,600
Speaker 1: We are no longer this collection of skin and bones

135
00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,360
Speaker 1: with organs that are connected through tubes and so on. Right,

136
00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,360
Speaker 1: we are a walking, talking rainforest. We are a beautiful,

137
00:06:53,600 --> 00:07:00,800
Speaker 1: elegant biological ecosystem that has been organized with painstaking, you know,

138
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,840
Speaker 1: effort through nature to function in a particular way. And

139
00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,360
Speaker 1: we are and there's a term for that, it's called holobiome.

140
00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,080
Speaker 1: Holo biome is a super organism coore. So we're walking,

141
00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,400
Speaker 1: talking rainforest and we're made up of thousands of little

142
00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,160
Speaker 1: micro ecologies that have to work together to afford the

143
00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,560
Speaker 1: health and function of the whole. And as we keep

144
00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,000
Speaker 1: thinking about humans as an ecosystem, we become a little

145
00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,800
Speaker 1: more conscious about what we do to our ecosystem.

146
00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,280
Speaker 2: What do you think like the top three things that

147
00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,440
Speaker 2: people are doing that are ruining their gut at the moment,

148
00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,160
Speaker 2: Because I find everyone has got issues, Like every other

149
00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,080
Speaker 2: person I meet is struggling with something that relates, Like

150
00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,680
Speaker 2: you said, back to the gut. So what do you

151
00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,600
Speaker 2: think are the main things that people are doing that

152
00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,840
Speaker 2: are really irritating or ruining people's gut health.

153
00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say if I could list probably ten

154
00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,480
Speaker 1: that are really significant. But if I would list to

155
00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,840
Speaker 1: top three or four, right, I would say Number one

156
00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,160
Speaker 1: is our really poor dye. We have a very low

157
00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,640
Speaker 1: diversity in our diet. The standard American diet is absolutely

158
00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,640
Speaker 1: atrocious for the gut for a few reasons. Number one

159
00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,720
Speaker 1: is that we eat very calorically dense, nutritionally poor foods.

160
00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:19,560
Speaker 1: Those nutritional elements in natural foods like polyphenols and carratenoids,

161
00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,080
Speaker 1: all the colored fruits and vegetables and all those right

162
00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,800
Speaker 1: are critically important as sources of food for the microbes

163
00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,560
Speaker 1: in our system. Fiber becomes such a critical component. So

164
00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,280
Speaker 1: the standard American diet has around eight grams of fiber

165
00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,480
Speaker 1: per day, which is really really low, and we should

166
00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,760
Speaker 1: talk about the impact of fiber, just something so simple

167
00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,199
Speaker 1: as that. So our diet is heavily processed and very

168
00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,480
Speaker 1: low in diversity. The second thing is our overuse of

169
00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,560
Speaker 1: medications antibiotics right for example, And antibiotics can save lives.

170
00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,480
Speaker 1: They're needed at times, but even the CDC estimated about

171
00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,840
Speaker 1: a decade ago that at least half of the antibiotic

172
00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,120
Speaker 1: prescriptions are necessary. They're written for viral infections and other things. Right,

173
00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,840
Speaker 1: those have a devastating effect on our ecosystem. And number three,

174
00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,720
Speaker 1: this may be surprising, is stress. So stress induces a

175
00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,880
Speaker 1: significant amount of dysfunction in our ecosystem through a number

176
00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,839
Speaker 1: of mechanisms. One mechanism, which I'll elaborate on is so

177
00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,440
Speaker 1: there are pathogens within our system. We talked about that

178
00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,640
Speaker 1: point one percent right now. They hang out and often

179
00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,560
Speaker 1: are functional when they're controlled by the ninety nine percent,

180
00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,360
Speaker 1: But many of them are what we call opportunistic, meaning

181
00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,839
Speaker 1: they sit there and they wait for the right opportunity

182
00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,240
Speaker 1: to really rear their ugly heads or the bad parts

183
00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:43,560
Speaker 1: about them. And so stress is a thing that they

184
00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,320
Speaker 1: sit and sense. When the hosts cortisol or epinephrine nor

185
00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,760
Speaker 1: epenefern is high, indicating the host is under stress. That's

186
00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,080
Speaker 1: when these microbes go aha, the host is compromise. This

187
00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,079
Speaker 1: is when we can proliferate. Right, So then they start

188
00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,560
Speaker 1: throwing off their toxins and they start multiplying, and they

189
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,880
Speaker 1: start taking and over more real estate, and they increase

190
00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,040
Speaker 1: their percentage within the ecosystem, which then can cause more

191
00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,280
Speaker 1: disruption as well. So stress in itself can be a

192
00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,479
Speaker 1: really really big driver of dysfunction.

193
00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,000
Speaker 2: And this biosis tell me more about antibiotics, because I

194
00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,880
Speaker 2: have avoided antibiotics like the plague for a while now

195
00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,560
Speaker 2: since I heard about it. Tell me what they do

196
00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,720
Speaker 2: to the gut. And then also if someone has to

197
00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,680
Speaker 2: go on antibiotics, if they feel like they have no

198
00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,600
Speaker 2: other choice of doctors, like you have to take this

199
00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,200
Speaker 2: otherwise you're going to get this, this, and this. What

200
00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,600
Speaker 2: protocol should someone go on when they're taking antibiotics to

201
00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:35,400
Speaker 2: help save their gut.

202
00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's what an antibiotic does. It's a little

203
00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,360
Speaker 1: bit like an atom bomb for your gut. Right, so

204
00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,440
Speaker 1: if you think about your gut is loaded with all

205
00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,679
Speaker 1: of these microbes, trillions of microbes. When the antibiotic goes in,

206
00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,680
Speaker 1: most antibiotics will stay in the small bowel for about

207
00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,920
Speaker 1: two and a half to three hours before it ends

208
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,839
Speaker 1: up in your liver. The compounds are thin. The antibiotics

209
00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,319
Speaker 1: end up in the liver and then distributed throughout circulation.

210
00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,679
Speaker 1: That two and a half three hour period when it's

211
00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,760
Speaker 1: in the it's killing everything down. So that was one

212
00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,040
Speaker 1: study out of Stanford, and I can't remember it got

213
00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,440
Speaker 1: published not but I saw it during a research conference

214
00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,720
Speaker 1: they were presenting on it. What they showed is that

215
00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,160
Speaker 1: let's say you take all the microbes in your gut,

216
00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,479
Speaker 1: this this amazing population. You've thrown a high dose antibiotics.

217
00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,000
Speaker 1: It knocks everything down by ninety to ninety five percent

218
00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,440
Speaker 1: everything right, good and bad. Everything gets knocked down like

219
00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,800
Speaker 1: almost equally. Now, the thing about microbes is they're super resilient,

220
00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,480
Speaker 1: so they start coming back after a few hours. The

221
00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,599
Speaker 1: problem is what proportion they come back in, right, So

222
00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 1: the good stuff is still there, but each dose of

223
00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,880
Speaker 1: antibiotics increases the propensity of the dysfunction of microbes come

224
00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,880
Speaker 1: back faster. Right. And here's why. So one of the

225
00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,840
Speaker 1: features of the gut is the pH control. Right. So

226
00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,680
Speaker 1: your gut is supposed to be more acidic than basic

227
00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,160
Speaker 1: or neutral. Right, So if you think about your small bowl,

228
00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,079
Speaker 1: the pH can go in anywhere from like two and

229
00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,520
Speaker 1: a half where it's close to the stomach, all the

230
00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,960
Speaker 1: way down to like four and a half five, which

231
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,720
Speaker 1: is still acidic. Now that acidic environment is really important

232
00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,600
Speaker 1: because the acidic environment is what controls the dysfunctional bacteria

233
00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,760
Speaker 1: from overgrowing. It also controls the mold and fungus from

234
00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,959
Speaker 1: overgrowing because they don't like the acidic environment. Now, how

235
00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000
Speaker 1: is the acidic environment maintained while there are microbes in

236
00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,640
Speaker 1: there that produce lactic acid? So now you've got this

237
00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,720
Speaker 1: lactic acid, a healthy gut, lots of lactic acid bacteria

238
00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,840
Speaker 1: keeping the pH low, meaning more acidic. Now everything gets

239
00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,400
Speaker 1: knocked down, including the lactic acid bacteria. They're no longer

240
00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,360
Speaker 1: producing lactic acid for that few hours, so then the

241
00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,040
Speaker 1: pH goes up. Now it becomes a little bit more

242
00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,360
Speaker 1: neutral or basic, which means in that environment, the dysfunctional

243
00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,760
Speaker 1: microbes grow back faster, and with every dose boom, everything

244
00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,160
Speaker 1: gets knocked down again. The dysfunctional microbes go back even faster.

245
00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,720
Speaker 1: So we are altering what the ecosystem looks like thereby

246
00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,320
Speaker 1: selecting for the more dysfunctional organisms to grow back faster.

247
00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,680
Speaker 2: So you just creating an environment where they thrive than

248
00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,439
Speaker 2: the good exactly. What about medications Like you know, something

249
00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,080
Speaker 2: that people get put on a lot is things for

250
00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,439
Speaker 2: anti acid Like I've got acid reflux and how does

251
00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,360
Speaker 2: that affect the gut because I imagine if you're trying

252
00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,079
Speaker 2: to reduce the acid in the body, does it have

253
00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,560
Speaker 2: the same effect as antibiotics, So it.

254
00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,679
Speaker 1: Can have a longer term, even more deleterious effect. Okay, Right,

255
00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,839
Speaker 1: So there's this condition. So the antacids that people use

256
00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,079
Speaker 1: or reflux medication, they're called PPIs proton pump inhibitors. Right,

257
00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,480
Speaker 1: that's a category. There are now really good data showing

258
00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,360
Speaker 1: that PPIs dramatically increase your risk of cardiovascular disease for example, right, right,

259
00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,000
Speaker 1: because of this amazing amount of chronic, low grade inflammation

260
00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,360
Speaker 1: that they cause. Right, and I can I'll tie that

261
00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,480
Speaker 1: back to leaky gut, which is where everything starts to

262
00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,840
Speaker 1: fall apart, is when your gut becomes leaky. The other

263
00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,360
Speaker 1: issue with PPIs, so your stomach and your stomach acid

264
00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,440
Speaker 1: is considered a gastric barrier. That's a very important component

265
00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,240
Speaker 1: of your entire immune system and protective system. Right, because

266
00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,600
Speaker 1: we're constantly exposed to microbes that could potentially be harmful,

267
00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,320
Speaker 1: whether it's some food or the environment or even our

268
00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,880
Speaker 1: own mounts. Right, we're swallowing roughly fifty billion or so.

269
00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,920
Speaker 1: Back TOIA every single day right from our mouths, and

270
00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,560
Speaker 1: our mouths tend to be very contaminated. People have heard

271
00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,280
Speaker 1: the human mouth is dirty than a dog's mouth. All that, right.

272
00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,520
Speaker 1: So we've got a high density of microbes in our mouth,

273
00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,240
Speaker 1: and many of those microbes can be problematic if they're

274
00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,440
Speaker 1: allowed to live in our gi track. But the thing

275
00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,840
Speaker 1: that prevents them normally from living in the gi track

276
00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,760
Speaker 1: is the stomach acid. Because you're swallowing it, they're getting

277
00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,120
Speaker 1: killed in the stomach acid, so they end up in

278
00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,680
Speaker 1: the intestines, but they're dead and then you just poop

279
00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,280
Speaker 1: them out right several hours later. If you compromise stomach

280
00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,840
Speaker 1: acid by using these proton pump inhibitors or antacids and

281
00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,560
Speaker 1: all that, you're allowing these oral back to her to

282
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,840
Speaker 1: surm and colonize in the small intestine, completely changing what

283
00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,320
Speaker 1: that environment looks like. The most common thing that that

284
00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,680
Speaker 1: leads to something I'm sure you've heard is CIBO small

285
00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,760
Speaker 1: intestinal bacterial overgrowth or bloating. So this is where all

286
00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:21,320
Speaker 1: of this ibs, like bloating, cramping, loose stool, indigestion feelings

287
00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,640
Speaker 1: come from. It comes from a change in the microbial

288
00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,920
Speaker 1: environment in the small intestine, and one of the drivers

289
00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,360
Speaker 1: of that is this reduction in stomach acid and swallowing

290
00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,040
Speaker 1: of all of these oral bacteria. The other thing that

291
00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,400
Speaker 1: reduces stomach acid is stress. Right, So going back to

292
00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,440
Speaker 1: just making small changes to how your digestive system is

293
00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,440
Speaker 1: supposed to function can create a whole deleterious cascade.

294
00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,520
Speaker 2: And this is just I'm asking for personal reason for

295
00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,440
Speaker 2: family member. If someone is being told that they should

296
00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,680
Speaker 2: go on anti acids, or are there things that in

297
00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,320
Speaker 2: their dyet or in their lifestyle that people can do

298
00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,600
Speaker 2: to try and help that without having to go on

299
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,680
Speaker 2: this medication.

300
00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they're being recommended to go on it because

301
00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,160
Speaker 1: of reflux, for example, yeah, right. The big misnomer is

302
00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,880
Speaker 1: that reflux is a issue of having too much stomach acid.

303
00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,800
Speaker 1: It's actually the opposite. It's the reflux is an issue

304
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,920
Speaker 1: that occurs because you have too little stomach acid and

305
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,480
Speaker 1: you're getting fermentation and gas production in the stomach, which

306
00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,720
Speaker 1: is not supposed to happen. So the acid actually prevents that.

307
00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,640
Speaker 1: So there are some really amazing natural ingredients that can

308
00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,920
Speaker 1: help for people with reflux issues. A couple of things,

309
00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:40,120
Speaker 1: So one is so bitters digestive bitters are incredibly powerful

310
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,440
Speaker 1: for allowing the gastri system to empty, for releasing adequate

311
00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,840
Speaker 1: hydrochloric acid, which is the stomach acid that we have,

312
00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,480
Speaker 1: and also controlling the movement of the food so that

313
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't sit for too long in the stomach and ferment. Okay, right,

314
00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,360
Speaker 1: So digestive bitters are critically important. They in fact, they

315
00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,680
Speaker 1: bind these things called bitter receptors that we have all

316
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,400
Speaker 1: throughout our stomach and our intestines. And when they bind

317
00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,400
Speaker 1: the bitter receptors, they send signals that tells the brain

318
00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,480
Speaker 1: to hey, release more stomach acid, or release more pink

319
00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,800
Speaker 1: creatic enzymes, which help us digest our food or move

320
00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,040
Speaker 1: the food along so that it can get digested and

321
00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,760
Speaker 1: broken down properly. Okay, right, So if you're dealing with

322
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,560
Speaker 1: reflux and all that, I would look at digestive bitters.

323
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,359
Speaker 2: I've been taking really just drive once, oh pay. It

324
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,800
Speaker 2: might be my favorite supplement that just Drive does, because

325
00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I've studied ird and it talks about Bitters

326
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,720
Speaker 2: is such an important category in the food that you eat,

327
00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,800
Speaker 2: and it's probably some of the people avoid the most

328
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,440
Speaker 2: because who's eating a whole lot of like kale and

329
00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,320
Speaker 2: dandelion rue and they're just not really having as much

330
00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,080
Speaker 2: bitter foods as you would need in your gut. And

331
00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,920
Speaker 2: so taking the digestive bitters has been such a game changer,

332
00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,040
Speaker 2: even how my gut feels on a daily basis of

333
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:50,840
Speaker 2: just eating food.

334
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, digestibiites, it's going back to basics, right. So,

335
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,520
Speaker 1: when we were thinking about the digestive bitters, and that

336
00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,800
Speaker 1: became a real passion area for me because I kept

337
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,040
Speaker 1: look looking at like, what do we not like activating

338
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,159
Speaker 1: in our digestive system? Right, So why do we have

339
00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,040
Speaker 1: so much floating and indigestion and all that, Like why

340
00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,879
Speaker 1: is that so prevalent nowadays? And there's a few different

341
00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,000
Speaker 1: reasons for it. But then when you look at basic

342
00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,600
Speaker 1: digestive functions. Remember I mentioned that we don't have enough

343
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,320
Speaker 1: genetics to do all of the things we need to

344
00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,400
Speaker 1: do as humans. We take resources from microbes and plants

345
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,600
Speaker 1: and all of that, right, So one of the things

346
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,800
Speaker 1: that we've outsourced to the plant world was to provide

347
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,359
Speaker 1: us stimulus in our digestive tract to tell our brain

348
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,400
Speaker 1: that food is coming through, where the food is, what

349
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,440
Speaker 1: kind of food it is, release the stomach acid, release

350
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,880
Speaker 1: the digestive secretions, release the enzymes so that we can

351
00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,840
Speaker 1: properly digest and utilize our food. Right. The signals for

352
00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,000
Speaker 1: that come from binding bitter receptors. So yeah, and the

353
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,480
Speaker 1: way we evolved is that if you think about our ancestors,

354
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,280
Speaker 1: they were gatherers, they were forgers, they hunted some and

355
00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,399
Speaker 1: so on, but they ate a lot of different things, right,

356
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 1: They had seeds and nuts and roots and tubers and

357
00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 1: flowers and things like that, so they got all these

358
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 1: bitter compounds into their diet. So over the course of

359
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 1: human evolution, we evolved to expect bitters to come in

360
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,240
Speaker 1: as an indication that food is within the system. Right,

361
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,479
Speaker 1: So you've got these switches in your digestive tract that

362
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 1: have to be turned on when food is in there.

363
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,400
Speaker 1: And in fact, these switches account for upwards of fifty

364
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,679
Speaker 1: percent of the digestive signaling to tell the body that

365
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 1: this food in there, you got to utilize the food

366
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: and break it down, right, The bitters account for fifty percent.

367
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: So then about fifty sixty years ago, we farmed all

368
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 1: of the bitterers out of our products, right, because people

369
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 1: don't like the taste, right, we've kind of moved more

370
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 1: towards savory and sweet and so on, so we have

371
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 1: no bidders in our diet and as a result of that,

372
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 1: we are not turning on upwards of half of the

373
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 1: digest switches when we eat food. Right, So we've got

374
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 1: this complex, beautiful digestive system and half of the signaling

375
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: is shut down.

376
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 2: That's so interesting, And I love what you said, you know,

377
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 2: when you're talking about the body as of rainforest, and

378
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 2: I really talks about this so much. And since I

379
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 2: locked into that in my body of how nature literally

380
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 2: has everything that we need to sustain and optimize our health.

381
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,399
Speaker 2: We just need to know what from nature we need

382
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: to be taking. And so I love how you touched

383
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 2: on that because it's to even growing up obviously in

384
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 2: an Indian house, there was a lot of bitter foods,

385
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,640
Speaker 2: like my parents eat gerala, like what are they called

386
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: in English again, garrilla, but what's another word for it?

387
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 2: Is it bit? Yeah? They have that like a few

388
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 2: times a week at least. And there's like methy or

389
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: feno Greek seeds that are used in our It's such

390
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 2: a natural way of us eating is having bitter spices

391
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: or bitter foods. But when I ended up, you know,

392
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: when you come to America or the UK, those flavors,

393
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 2: that palate is just not there. It's not something that's

394
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: you that people are used to having. And so I

395
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: think having you know, someone like a supplement, if you're

396
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 2: not used to having bitter foods single day, then I

397
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 2: think it's really needed. Just like we take you know,

398
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 2: vimin c or whatever else is that we're taking in

399
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 2: the supplements, I think it's a really necessary part of it.

400
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not turning on those switches, those digestive switches, right,

401
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 1: So remember I said about fifty percent of the digestive

402
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: signaling comes from activating these bitter receptors, and so we're

403
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 1: not clicking on those switches as the food is moving.

404
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: Through the mahygestions just lazy, it's lazy.

405
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 1: It's not happening, right, it's not. We're literally in a

406
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: maldigestive state, meaning we're failing to digest the food appropriately.

407
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: Then what happens is you get this adverse response where

408
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 1: there's too much fermentation in the wrong place, your body

409
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to deal with the nutrients coming in.

410
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: You can't release enough bile to deal with the fatty acids.

411
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: So then that creates runniness and gurgling in the tunnel.

412
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: The fermentation creates a lot of bloating, you know, just

413
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: everything starts to fall apart. And the problem with that

414
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: is that not only is it inconvenient to have digestive

415
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: issues and disrupt your quality of life, but it's also

416
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: the beginning of foundational disruption to how the rest of

417
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: your system works, because we talked about how the gut

418
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: is where all everything starts, and so digestive issues become

419
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: the precursor to much more complicated and serious issues.

420
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: Before I ask my next question, I wanted to go

421
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: back to the acid question because you mentioned bitters. Was

422
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 2: there anything else that you think people should add into

423
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: their diet before? Yeah?

424
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: So, and this might be counterintuitive, and maybe talk to

425
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: your doctor or nutritionist or somebody you can work with,

426
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: but you may actually want to add more acid to

427
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: your diet. So there's there's supplements like btaan etcl, which

428
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 1: is a hydrochloric acid that you can take as a supplement. Right,

429
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 1: because remember reflux is actually an issue of not enough, right,

430
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: you could take btaan eightcl. You use some bitters, and

431
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: you use a good probiotic that helps you break down

432
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: the food and move things along. That should typically take

433
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: care of the issue. Now a couple other simple things

434
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: you can do as well. You want to activate the

435
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: cephalic response. Sophalic response is the predigestive signaling that occurs

436
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: from smelling food seeing food. Right, you have mouth waters literally, right,

437
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: but it also is the first signal to your body

438
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: that hey, food is coming through. So let's prep the

439
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: system to deal with it. Right, So you start releasing

440
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of hydrochloric acid, you start releasing some

441
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: digestive enzymes in your mouth, so salivary amylase, it's called. Right.

442
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 1: What we tend to do is we eat too fast

443
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 1: on the go, right, we don't appreciate the food and

444
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: so on. So you know, we all remember growing up.

445
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: But family, if it's a big meal like a festival

446
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: or something like a volley or something, right, you've got

447
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: this beautiful meal set up and you can smell it

448
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: cooking all day long, and you can't wait to sit

449
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: down and eat it, and you see it all laid

450
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: out there, it's beautiful, and all of that is triggering

451
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: the cephalic response. So we want to get a little

452
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: bit what I call it's food hygiene. It's not cleanliness,

453
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: it's about how do you approach eating right? Number one,

454
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: Slow it down. Number two. Sit for a moment. And

455
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: this might sound a little hokey, but it really really works.

456
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: Sit for a moment and appreciate the food, like appreciate

457
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: the texture, the color, the smell. Right. You don't have

458
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: to be too cuckoo about it, but just for a moment,

459
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: appreciate it because your brain is then telling your digestis system. Okay,

460
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: let's get ready. We're going to start digesting soon. Right. Then,

461
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: chew your food right like, chew it thoroughly, but chew

462
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: it slowly because if you don't chew it slowly, you

463
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: suck in a lot of air when you're chewing, and

464
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: your stomachs full of air and that air has to

465
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: escape somehow and it pushes things up like acid. Right,

466
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 1: So just that little bit of meal hygiene helps. Then

467
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: you add in the bidder as you add in some

468
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: digestive enzymes if you need to probiotic, and your system

469
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: should work exactly the way it's designed.

470
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: I love that even the moment just before you eat

471
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: of just taking taking a beat. It also can just

472
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: reduce the small amount of stress that might be going

473
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: on in your body, or like if you're in anxiety

474
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: from like working, and then you suddenly take a break

475
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: to eat instead of receiving that food with anxiety, where

476
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: your gut is still like that and it's feeling the anxiousness,

477
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: you get to take a moment to just relax with

478
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: your gut and your digestive system, And it makes such

479
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: a difference. My granddad used to make like my mom

480
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: and her two brothers to their food thirty two times,

481
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: like get them into the practice of chewing their food

482
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: thirty two times, and the meals would take such a

483
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: long time. But I remember my mom saying, like my

484
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: granddad would constantly if they would quew too fast or

485
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: eat their meal too fast, he would say, no to

486
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: your food thirty two times before you swallow it, even

487
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: if it's something that's soft, and even if it's really

488
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 2: well cooked, you have to keep chewing it.

489
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: You have to. And if you think about the evolutionary

490
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: significance of that, right, So here's here's one way to

491
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: think about it. For the most part, we know what

492
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: we're eating. Now, this little danger in terms of like

493
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: poisoning from what we ate. But back in the day

494
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: when people are like forging and all that, you don't

495
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: know what you're picking. Is that going to kill you?

496
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: Is it healthy for you or what? Right? And so

497
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: we have some defensive mechanisms in our system. That's actually

498
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: part of why you have bitter receptors in your mouth

499
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: as well, you know, And it's a misnomer that all

500
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: the bitter receptors are in your mouth, but they're not.

501
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: There's only there's some in there which are important. The

502
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: rest are in the digestptry. But the reason for the

503
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: bitter receptors in the mouth is because toxins or poisons

504
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: tend to be really astringent and very bitter. So you

505
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: have this reflux response where you put it in, you

506
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: chew it, and it's so bitter it triggers this response

507
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: where you spit it out. Right right now, let's say

508
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: you ate something and it's not triggering that response. You're

509
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: not spitting it out, but you need your immune system

510
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: to sample the food that's coming in because your immune

511
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: system will help decide is this something that I need

512
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: to attack, neutralize, or just tolerate? Right that chewing. You've

513
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: got a lot of immune tissue in your mouth. Your

514
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: saliva is full of antibodies, and so that is part

515
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: of coding the food with your own antibodies, your own

516
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: immune factors, to introduce the food you're eating to your

517
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: immune system. Wow, so your immune system has time to

518
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: really examine what you're putting in because it's your immune

519
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: system's job to defend you for it. Right, So your

520
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: immune system is confused and doesn't have enough time to

521
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: develop what we call oral tolerance. You start eating things,

522
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: it attacks it. Yeah, how does that feel? Bloating, cramping, indigestion,

523
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: and so on.

524
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: When it reminds me of when I was in India

525
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 2: two years ago and I was on this pilgrimage thing.

526
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: So we were eating like those bulk bulk food being

527
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: made for thousands and thousands of people. I ate this

528
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: cassava curry and I was one of the first people

529
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: to take it, and suddenly my whole mouth started going numb.

530
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: I started feeling so sick. They hadn't taken out there's

531
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: a poisonous strands or something that you have to take

532
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: out when you cook cassava. I was one of the

533
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: first people eat it suddenly I felt so well. I

534
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: go to the site, I'm throwing up and I'd be like,

535
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: tell everyone not to eat. And it was, but it

536
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: was one of those exact experiences where my mouth started

537
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: feeling it. Luckily I was eating slowly, I had a

538
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: couple of bias, and I was like, this is not

539
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: something's going wrong. But it was exactly what you're describing.

540
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: The whole system happened, and luckily wasn't scuffing it down

541
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: for me to have had too much of it.

542
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, imagine if you just if you had the

543
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: practice of just barely chewing and eating too fast, exactly

544
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: consumed enough of it to probably make you sick. Yes,

545
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: on right, So we want to go back to the basics,

546
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, nature has given us all

547
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: the tools that we need to be functional and healthy.

548
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: We just can't forget them and kind of go back

549
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: to the basics, which is where we developed the probiotics too.

550
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: The probiotics are really going back to foundations of how

551
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: we interact with micros.

552
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: You mentioned your probiotics. I was going to ask you

553
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: a question later on about it, but let's hit it

554
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: now because I know that there are there are so

555
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: many probiotics supplements out there, people get really confused. Now,

556
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm just going to read what I know that your

557
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: probiotics have sull based probiotics. Can you share what that

558
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: is and why spoll based probiotics are better than any

559
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: other type?

560
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to get the right spores too,

561
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: So let me tell you a little bit about how

562
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: we came about it, right. It's really going back to

563
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: this idea that anytime we try to outsmart or circumvent nature,

564
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: we tend to stumble and fall. But if we're just

565
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: smart enough to know what nature has already provided us

566
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: and then embrace it and study it and understand it,

567
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: then we can typically make significant progress. Right because everything

568
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: is here for us already. So when we started thinking

569
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: about probiotics, we said, okay, you see all the products

570
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: on the shelf, and it's like fifty billion, sixty.

571
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: Billions and CFUs.

572
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Crazy amounts of doses, fifteen strains, twenty five strains, and

573
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: so on. And I remember thinking to myself about fifteen

574
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: years ago, and I wasn't using probiotics at all as

575
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: a microbiologist. It didn't quite make sense to me, and

576
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, let me dig into this a

577
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: little bit and see what is the what's like the

578
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: reasoning behind all this design. And so I started looking

579
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: in to it, and I go, okay, nowhere in nature

580
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: do we encounter these types of strains at these doses

581
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: in this way. So it's a very unnatural thing to

582
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: be taking fifty billion, sixty billion of these eighteen strings, right.

583
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen in nature. And so I said, okay,

584
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: but clearly we have a very deep intimate relationship with microbes.

585
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: So what is the natural probiotic out there?

586
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: Like?

587
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: How do we naturally interact with microbes? So our first

588
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: encounter with microbes is actually in utero. When you're a

589
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: mom's womb. There are immune cells in her body called

590
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: dendritic cells that can actually reach across her gut lining

591
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: pull her bacteria from her gut and take it to

592
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: the baby in the womb.

593
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: That's amazing, It's crazy. Yeah, it's incredible.

594
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: But here's where it gets even more crazy. Why is

595
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: it taking it there? Right? There are microbes in your

596
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: gut that have certain carbohydrates on their outer cell membrane.

597
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: Those are called exo polysachrides. That's a technical term for them.

598
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: As it turns out, the placenta has receptor sites for

599
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: these bacterial exo polysacchrides. The baby's brain has receptor sites

600
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: of these exo polysacchrides. So when you're when you're when

601
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: the mom's immune cells take the exo polysachride lated bacteria

602
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: to the baby, it binds these receptors and it triggers

603
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: parts of the brain development. Wow, so we've outsourced probably

604
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: one of the most important aspects of developing a human

605
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: in the womb, which is developing its brain. We've outsourced

606
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: part of that signaling to bacterial components. Right. It goes

607
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: back to the what I was saying before. We don't

608
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: have enough genes to do everything we do. So so

609
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: nature has found a way to cooperate with micro organisms

610
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: to say, hey, microbes, we need the stimulus, the signal,

611
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: so we're gonna work together. I'm not gonna attack you, you're

612
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna live symbiotically. But your carbohydrate that you're making,

613
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna use that as a trigger to develop my

614
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: baby's brain in utero. Right. So it's so foundationally, it's

615
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: that important from the beginning. Okay, so we said, okay,

616
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: in uter, you interact with all these microbes. Hopefully you're

617
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: a vaginal birth, which means you got amazing inoculum from

618
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: mom's vaginal bacteria. And then most women when they're pushing out,

619
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: they're going to defecate too, so you're going to get

620
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: in contact with mom's fecal bacteria. That becomes the initial

621
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: inoculum the baby's exposed to, right, which is really really important.

622
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: We know now if the baby's sea section, that it's

623
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: going to almost double the risk of allergies, asthma, food

624
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: sensitivities and all that. Right, it almost doubles the risk

625
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: of metabolic syndrome, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and so on, just

626
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: from being born through sea section, not through the vaginal canal.

627
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: Is not getting that initial inoculum. Now after birth, mom

628
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: hopefully has the opportion to feed, nurse the baby. Breast

629
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: milk has upwards of six hundred different types of microbes

630
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: in it, incredible, right, massive amounts of probiotic bacteria, and

631
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: about eighteen or so percent of the solids in breast

632
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: milk are biotics. The legosach rides that the baby can't digest,

633
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: but it's there purely to feed the bacteria so the

634
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: bacteric can establish itself, right. So that's the initial relationship

635
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: and intimate connection we have with microbes. And after you're

636
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: born and after the first couple of years and all

637
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: the skin to skin contact and the kissing and all that.

638
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: So that's all really important to develop the microbial environment.

639
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: The rest of your life. You're engaging with microbes in

640
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: the environment. Our ancestors, our relatives also still today they

641
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: live in within the dirt. They live. They don't live

642
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: in sterile environments, right. They eat foods that have dirt

643
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: on it. They pick things and they brush off the dirt,

644
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: and they eat things with microbes on it. So we

645
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 1: have this intimate relationship with microbes in the environment. So

646
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: when we started looking at probiotics, we said, okay, what

647
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of microbes within the environment could potentially act as

648
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: a probiotic, right, which means that they have to be

649
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: able to get through the system, alive and function in

650
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: the testines in some way that's beneficial to the host.

651
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: So we honed in on these microbes that live ubiquitously

652
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: in natural environments are called basillis endospores. But what's unique

653
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: about them is they can live in the outside world

654
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: under UV radiation, with oxygen and all that, but they

655
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: can also live in the gut, which is a very

656
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: different environment. There's no light, that's dark in there, and

657
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: there's no oxygen in the gut, right, So they can

658
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: live in both of those unique environments, and they can

659
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: survive through the gastric system. Remember I mentioned the gastric

660
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: barrier is there to kill most microbes going in. But

661
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: these microbes have a natural capability of surviving through the

662
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: gastric system and getting to the intestines alive. So our

663
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: first clue was, okay, the fact that nature gave him

664
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: this unique capability of living in the outside environment and

665
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: living in the gut, which are very different environments, and

666
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: surviving through this gauntlet that we have to kill microbes,

667
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: maybe they're designed to do something effective in the gut.

668
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: So that's what we honed in on these Basillis endospores,

669
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: and we found a bunch of research done by brilliant

670
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: researchers at universities. Actually Royal Holloway University of London was

671
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of the leading areas of this. They found that

672
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: these Bacillis endospores are normal commensals in the gut. We

673
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: are supposed to pick them up from the environment. They

674
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: go in, they do a lot of things to fix

675
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: the gut, and we'll talk about what they do. And

676
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: then they stay for about two to three weeks and

677
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: then we defecate them out. So they use the environment

678
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: as a vector to get from host to host.

679
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

680
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: So the environment is a temporary place for them. The

681
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: gut is their actual home. And here's a fascinating thing.

682
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: When we look at the cellular building blocks of life

683
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: on Earth. So on Metea Rights and all that, scientists

684
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: have identified nucleic acids that make up our DNA, They've

685
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: identified proteins, have identified cellular machinery that come from meteorites

686
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: from outer space. Right. So then the question is like, okay,

687
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: what seeded the cellular components of life on Earth. They

688
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: started looking at what kind of bacteria on Earth could

689
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: survive interstellar travel on a meteorite for example, right, and

690
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: potentially seed the cellular building blocks of life. So these

691
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: same Bacillis endospores they studied could survive in the vacuus

692
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: space for seven years, wow, and can come in on

693
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: a meteorite and seed the cellular machinery of life on Earth.

694
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: It's the theories called panspermia, and there's a lot of

695
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: great research around it. So then they started looking at

696
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: really ancient versions of these bacteria. So actually in a

697
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: cave in southern California, they were looking and they were

698
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: going deeper into the deep recesses of the caves that

699
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: haven't been touched by man. They found in the salt

700
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: crystals that have been around for millions of years. They

701
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: were able to dissolve the salt crystals. They found bacteria

702
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: in there that were two hundred and fifty million years

703
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: old and they were still alive. They could still plate

704
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: them and grow them in an incubator. And these we're

705
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: spore based bacteria okay, that were there well before humans work, right,

706
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: So they are arguably one of the original foundations of

707
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: life on Earth. They play a critical role in our system.

708
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: Nature has had it here from the dawn of man.

709
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: We just have to be smart enough to identify and

710
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: know that they're there and figure out how to.

711
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: Use use them. I love how you said that they come,

712
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: they do their job, and they leave. That we're not

713
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: permanent employees but contractors. We come, we make you better

714
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: and then we leave. Okay, but how does someone know

715
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: that people take supplements all the time. How do they

716
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: know these are actually working? Because sometimes you can keep

717
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 2: taking things because you know they're good for you. Should

718
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: you be feeling a difference? And what difference should you

719
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: be feeling from taking probiotics?

720
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you have a primary digestive issue, So

721
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: let's say you have like IBS like symptoms. Right, your

722
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: bowels are irritated, you don't deal well with food. An

723
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: effective probiotic within the first thirty days or so should

724
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: make you feel something significantly improving within your DIGESTI. Okay,

725
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: if you get a lot of bloating, cramping, you eat

726
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: food that should start to alleviate It may not fix

727
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: it in that time, but you should start to feel

728
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: a relief from those symptoms. Now, what else do you

729
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: start to feel well? So then you should sleep better?

730
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: Right.

731
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: Generally, your gut and your brain are connected. It's called

732
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: the gut brain access that people talk about, and dysfunction

733
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: in the gut drives sleep deprivation and sleep issues. Right,

734
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: so you should rest better. If you use devices like

735
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: the or ring and so on, you should be able

736
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: to see your sleep score improving without trying significantly your

737
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: afternoon energy, you should feel better, right, you shouldn't get

738
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: that drop and slump in the afternoon. You should be

739
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: more energetic. You'll actually start to see things like issues

740
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: on your skin. So there's something called the gut skin access.

741
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: Of course, what happens in the gut impacts the skin

742
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: quite a bit. So if you've got inflammatory issues on

743
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: the skin, you know, and your skin is sensitive and

744
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: all that, those things tend to improve just cognitive function

745
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: and alone. Right, So brain fog is very closely tied

746
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: to the gut.

747
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

748
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: And so when your gut is improving, you'll just have

749
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: more clarity, your memory will be better, like, you'll start

750
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: to feel better functioning overall. Yeah, a better version of

751
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: yourself is a great way to put it. Because and

752
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: we can connect all of these through mechanisms, through biochemistry,

753
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: and I can talk about that stuff all day long, right,

754
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: but really what we're getting at is that the gut

755
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: is a central command center of how the rest of

756
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: your system works. If you're improving your gut with a probiotic,

757
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: if it's something that actually does something beneficial, you will

758
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: feel it in all different parts of your body.

759
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: You know what's so interesting. One of my family members

760
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: recently went to see a holistic doctor and she was

761
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: saying how their gut is just really messed up to

762
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: take on some medications and things are just not great

763
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: right now. But the first thing that she said, she's

764
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: also like a bit of a healer, and she said,

765
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: your mood and just your vibrance seems low. And the

766
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: first thing that they said back was, yeah, I just

767
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: I've been feeling really now mood. Like my just I

768
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: feel more sad and I haven't be feeling happy in

769
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: life as much. So on a scale of like one

770
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: to ten, I've been feeling a four and I don't

771
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: usually feel like a four. Yeah, And so it reminded

772
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: me of how insane is that our gut literally can

773
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: affect our mood, our sadness, our emotions. Could you talk

774
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: a little bit more about why there's a connection.

775
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: There, Yeah, And that's a really really important connection because

776
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: we are in a bit of an epidemic of depression,

777
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: anxiety and all that. Right, you just look at the

778
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: volatility of the world around us. People are not in

779
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: a good placement generally, and just to throw a stat

780
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: out there, right, So if you look at people with

781
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: IBS irritable bowel syndrome. If you have IBS, somewhere around

782
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: sixty percent of people with IBS have diagnosed mood disorders, right,

783
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: anxiety and depression. If you look at the same age

784
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: group of people who don't have IBS, it's less than

785
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: nineteen percent. So just having IBS means you are four

786
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: times three or four times more likely to have anxiety

787
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: and depression. Right. They go hand in hand because it's

788
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: a gut brain issue. So what's actually happening, Well, we

789
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: have something called the fight of flight response. Right. The

790
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: fight of flight response is a really important response to

791
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: keep us alive. It used to be this primitive thing

792
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: that only kicks on in situations that could be endangering

793
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: your life. We're walking down the grasslands. We hear wrestling

794
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: in the grass, right, and it could be a predator,

795
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: and maybe we have some memory of some learning about

796
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: that sound and that smell and so on, and so

797
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: your body goes into this fight of flight so to

798
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: get you out of this situation. So here's what's actually

799
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: happening in the fight of flight, right, So your hypothalamus

800
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: picks up the visual and auditory clues right, It senses

801
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: that it's something that's potentially harmful. So then you have

802
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: the hypothalamus, tuitory adrenal axis HPA axis, right, So the

803
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: hypotholamus and activates the porturitory tell us the peturitory, hey,

804
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: we got to move. Release some cortisol. Cortosol being the

805
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: stress hormone. So the peturitary goes, okay, yep, let's release

806
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: some cortisol. The adrenals go aha, we're coming in. We're

807
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: going to release adrenaline right, epinephrin nor pen effort. So

808
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: now this chemistry is working to get you ready to

809
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: fight or flee. So how is it doing that. It

810
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: wants to prioritize blood getting to your brain so that

811
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: you'll be visually and auditorially and cognitively accurate and really,

812
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, on point. And then it wants to get

813
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: blood to your heart so that your heart can carry

814
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: you in the way you need to, and then blood

815
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: to your muscles right so you can fight or flee.

816
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: It's deprioritizing digestion. Forget the food that you just ate,

817
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: we're not digesting it right now. Forget your immune system,

818
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. Forget all the repair that we

819
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: need to do, we're not doing that. You have to survive, right,

820
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: So it's an absolute survival instinct. So now cortisol's kicking up,

821
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: adrenaline's kicking up, and so on. Your body is going

822
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 1: into this inflammatory fight or flight response because the way

823
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: it gets inflammation to your brain, the way it gets

824
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: blood to your brain and your heart is by activating inflammation.

825
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: Right.

826
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: Inflammation is circulation. Right, So if you like rub your

827
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: skin really hard and gets red, it's irritated, but that

828
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: redness is circulation coming to there with inflammatory markers. So

829
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: now you're inflamed. Your brain is inflamed, your heart is inflamed,

830
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: your muscles are inflamed. They're perfused with blood just to

831
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: get you to be able to fight or flee. You

832
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: also can't repair anything, you can't digest anything, and nor

833
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: can you rest right, but it doesn't matter because you

834
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: are to fight or flee. So now let's say you

835
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: run away from whatever is that sound is, You make

836
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: your way up a tree and you get up in

837
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: the tree and you go, okay, that really it was

838
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: a bunny rabbit, right, So there's nothing dangerous there. Now

839
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: your system has to come off that big spike of

840
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: cortosol and epenefferin nor epenephyn you have to go back

841
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: to that parasympathetic rest, digests, relax phase. So how does

842
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: that happen? As it turns out, your gut microbiome plays

843
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: a very important role in that it's a checkpoint to

844
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: help you turn off the fight of flight and go

845
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: back to the rest and digests. So here's what happens

846
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: if you don't have the right microbes or high diversity

847
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: in the gut microbiome. The cortisol as it's going up

848
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: is making everything inflamed and all that, but some of

849
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: the cortisols also dumping in the gut. Some microbes metabolize

850
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: the cortisol sends part of those metabolic byproducts your kidneys.

851
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: Your kidneys use that as a signal to put in

852
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: more potassium and sodium into your circulation, so more water

853
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: follows into your circulation. What that does is increases your

854
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: blood pressure, right, And the reason you want to increase

855
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: your blood pressure in that situation is you want more perfusion.

856
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: You want the blood to rush to your muscles and

857
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: all that. This is why chronic stress creates hypertension. Because

858
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: of that process. Right, So we all know that chronic

859
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: stress increases blood pressure, but it's for that reason. So

860
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: all that is happening, you're trying to fight or flee.

861
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: Now your cortisol as you relax and you realize the

862
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: danger is not there anymore. Your cortisol is supposed to

863
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: be bound up by these glucocorticoid receptors that you have

864
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: throughout your body. But if your gut is dysfunctional, what

865
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: happens instead is the cortisol causes massive amounts of transient

866
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: leakiness in the gut and you get these inflammatory cytokines

867
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: that increase, like IL one in a luken one. When

868
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: those increase, what they do is they re trigger the

869
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: HPA access as if you're encountering another danger signal, Right,

870
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: and then the whole cycle starts up again, and by

871
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: the time you try to come back down, it retriggers

872
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: it again and again and again, and it keeps people

873
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: in a constant state of fight or flight without being

874
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: able to go to the rest, digest and repair. What

875
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: does that feel like. It feels like you have an

876
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: elevated basal level of anxiety. All the stress stimuli amplifies

877
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: you even more because you can't deal with it with

878
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: a sound mind, right, and a balanced mind. You also

879
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: cannot digest, so you're bloating your indigestion. You can't deal

880
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: with food very well. You can't rest, so you don't

881
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: sleep well, so you can't recover well. Your immune system

882
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: is tanking in that situation, so you get sick all

883
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: the time. That is the standard Westerner right, because we

884
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: are constantly in fight or flight and we can't come

885
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: down from it, and your gut is the checkpoint to

886
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: turn all that off, which is crazy.

887
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: Give a lot of our like the serotonin and all

888
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: happy homones, is there a place where it's created in

889
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: our gut? Or is that not sure? Oh, that's true.

890
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: The majority of serotonin is created in your gut. Okay,

891
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: but even and the serotonin in your gut is used

892
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: mostly in your gut and circulation for lots of things.

893
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: It's anti inflammatory and moves the bowels and all that.

894
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: Dopamine is also created largely in your gut. But what's

895
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: even more important than the serotonin itself that's created in

896
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: the gut is the precursor to serotonin called tryptophan. Yes, right,

897
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: so trip tofan is what serotonin and melatonin are made from.

898
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh and the majority of your trip to fan is

899
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: made in the gut by microbes. So then your central

900
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: nervous system takes that trip to fan and is trying

901
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: to convert it to serotonin melotonin in your brain and

902
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: central nervous system, which is your happy hormone, your relaxing hormone,

903
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: and your ability to sleep. Yeah. Right, But here's the thing.

904
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: So remember I said the gut brain connection. If you're

905
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: in this simple if you're in this fight of flight

906
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: sympathetic state and you don't have a healthy gut to

907
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: turn that off and bring you back to parasympathetic state.

908
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: When that trip to fan goes into your central nervous system,

909
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: it's not being converted to serotonin melotonin. It's being converted

910
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: to something called quinolinic acid, which is neurotoxic. Oh right,

911
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: So now this compound that's supposed to make your happy

912
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: and sleep hormone is actually creating a neurotoxic compound all

913
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: because your gut is not in the right position. It's

914
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: it's not shutting off that fight of flight switch. You

915
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: are inflamed, and as a result of that, you're taking

916
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: something that should be calming, RESTful, reparative into something that's

917
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: more neurotoxic. Right. And you're constantly in a high frequency

918
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: brain wave. Right, And when you meet the world and

919
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: stressors in a high frequency brain wave, it amplifies everything. Right.

920
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: What you need to do is be able to switch

921
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: to a low frequency brain wave like a theta wave

922
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: to meet a stressor because then you can manage to

923
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: stressor better. And one of the really important practices that

924
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: does that is meditation. Right. That's one of the really

925
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: key benefits of meditation is that you can It allows

926
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: you to be focused on something working diligently in a

927
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: high frequency brain wave. But let's say there's a stress

928
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: signal here, you can turn to it and meet that

929
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: in a low frequency brainwave. Right. The gut also does that,

930
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: right when you have the right microbes in the gut,

931
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: when your gut is diverse and not leaky, microbes in

932
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: the gut can change your brain wave function. Wow for you.

933
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: Right Again, Nature is they're doing these things for you.

934
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: We just have to be smart enough to know how

935
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: to use it.

936
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So I just want to go back a little

937
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: bit to probiotics, because there's prebiotics and there's probiotics. Do

938
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: people need to be taking both?

939
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: Yes, they really should be. And what is the difference

940
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: between the two, right, So, probiotics have to be live

941
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: microorganisms that when you take them, have to survive through

942
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: the gastic system, get into the intestines alive, and then

943
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: they have a beneficial effect on the host. So the

944
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: bacteria prebiotics are very specific types of carbohydrates that feed

945
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: certain classes bacteria. Now within your gut, there are these

946
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: microbes that are considered keystone species. Right, So microbiolgs around

947
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: the world that study the microbiome have created this designation

948
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: of keystone species. So then what are these keystone species?

949
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: Why they call that? Right? So, if you remember most

950
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: medieval architecture where you have arches, and these arches are

951
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: just amazing innovations because arches can hold up so much

952
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: weight above them, right. So, if you look at all

953
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: the old medieval bridges, they're all arch designs. The cathedrals

954
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: are all arches. But the key component of an arch

955
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: that makes it functional is the keystone that's at the

956
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: very top of that arch. Right. It's a stone that's

957
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: slanted on both sides that then dissipates the load throughout

958
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: the arch in a very uniform way. If you pull

959
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: that keystone out, the entire cathedral falls apart. Right. So

960
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: a keystone species in your gut is a species that

961
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: holds up the rest of the ecosystem. It's that important

962
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: for your system. These keystone species of we've identified eight, nine, tennish.

963
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: Some of them are arguable, whether the keystone or not,

964
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: but there's certainly some in there. They're all in the

965
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: large bowl. They're all anaerobic, meaning oxygen is toxic to them.

966
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: They all require fiber, polyphenols, plant based materials, and they're

967
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: all very susceptible to things like antibiotics and pesticides and

968
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: herbicides and all that. And when you start killing off

969
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: your keystone species and reducing their numbers, the rests of

970
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: the ecosystem starts to fall apart.

971
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: Right.

972
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: It's a house of cards that starts to crumble, right.

973
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: And so one of the best things you can do

974
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: for your gut, one of the most powerful things, is

975
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: bring back the keystone species to the relevant amounts that

976
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: they need to be in your system. The spore based

977
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: probiotics do that. They help grow, regrow the Keystone species

978
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: actually published a paper with a couple of researchers about

979
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: four years ago showing that just three weeks of like

980
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: the just Thrive probiotic can increase the growth of the

981
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: keystone species by forty fifty percent, right, very significantly. Then

982
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: when you pair it with a prebiotic like an Ollego

983
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: sach ride their call, then you almost triple that effect. Okay, Right,

984
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: So that combination of prebiotic and probotic becomes really important

985
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: to support those keystone species.

986
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: And so is that a great protocol for someone to

987
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: go onto if they are taking antibiotics, Like, should they

988
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: get onto pre and probiotics as soon as they get

989
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: onto antibiotics?

990
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: Yes? So, and yeah, actually you asked that very important question.

991
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: So to go back to that, let's say you have

992
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: to take a course of antibiotics, and of course there's

993
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: many situations where it'll save your life, so do it

994
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: if your doctor is telling you to do it. But

995
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: here's what you want to do, all right, So most

996
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: antibiotics are going to be somewhere between seven to ten

997
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: days or twenty one days, depending on the issues. Right,

998
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: you want to be very diligent about repairing the gut

999
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: for at least three times as long as the course

1000
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: of antibiotics work. So that's where you start baseline, right.

1001
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: So for example, if your doctor says it's a seven

1002
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: day course antibiotics, you want to go, I want to

1003
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: be hyper vigilant about fixing my gut for at least

1004
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: twenty one days. Okay, that's an easy place to start.

1005
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: So then what do you do with that hypervigilance. Number One,

1006
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: you take a probiotic that has been clinically shown to

1007
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: be able to support the microbes in your gut, the

1008
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: beneficial microbes, even in the presence of antibiotics. So the

1009
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: spores do that because they have that stability and that resilience.

1010
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: We actually publish a study showing that when you take

1011
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: a course of antibiotics, it diminishes the keystone bacter and

1012
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: the diversity really low and makes the gut leaky. But

1013
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: if you use the spores with it, it actually starts

1014
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: to negate all of those negative effects. Right. But then

1015
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: try to separate the spores by a couple of hours

1016
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: from the antibiotic, so the antibiotic is a morning evening

1017
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: kind of dose. Then take the spores right in the

1018
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: between and the afternoon, right with it, take prebiotics as well,

1019
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: and then try to increase your fiber dosage by around

1020
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen grams per day, simple stuff like cilium

1021
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: husk or something simple like that. Right, just increase your

1022
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: fiber dosage, and that in itself, and doing that diligently

1023
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: for twenty one days if it's a seven day course,

1024
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: will really negate a lot of the damage. Amazing simplest

1025
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: can do. And then for the rest of the time,

1026
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: just go back to your normal maintenance of the probiotics,

1027
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: probiotics and so on. I would even elevate it because

1028
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: when I if I have to take a course of antibiotics,

1029
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: I double everything I do. I double the dose of

1030
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: the probiotic, double the door so the prebiotic, and I

1031
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: double my fiber intake. Okay, great, and it just protects

1032
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: your system.

1033
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: You mentioned, you know, we mentioned skin being one of

1034
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: the things that the gut influences, and I think skin

1035
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: is shoes is something that's also increased a lot recently. Eczema, acne,

1036
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: whatever it is. There's people who are really suffering from

1037
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: a lot of skinn shoes. Especially. What I'm noticing is exima,

1038
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: whether it's an adulthood or as a child. Are there

1039
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 2: certain foods that people should be avoiding when it comes

1040
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: to their skin health link with their gut or is

1041
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: it just as simple. They really need to fix what's

1042
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: happening in their gut for them to improve their skin.

1043
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's a really really important question. So exzema

1044
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: is a bit of an epidemic right now, but it

1045
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: drives another problem that's also an epidemic. So exzema is

1046
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: directly linked to asthma, food sensitivities, allergies, and food intolerances is.

1047
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: In general, and people tend to have all three of them. Yeah,

1048
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: because I remember when I was growing up, my sister

1049
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: had ecxima asthma and wind up having issues with foods now.

1050
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, And here's why it's there's a process

1051
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: it's called the atopic march. Okay. So here's what's happening there.

1052
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: Ezima is a disruption of your skin barrier. You've got

1053
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: an overgrowth of a type of bacteria called staff aureous. Okay.

1054
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: It starts to break down the top layer of your skin.

1055
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: The top layer of skin is called the stratum cornium.

1056
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: You also will have an unhealthy inside, so you're not

1057
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: rebuilding the skin effectively from the inside. And if your

1058
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: gut is unhealthy, on top of that, your immune system

1059
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: is not functioning properly. So anything that's happening on the

1060
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: surface of your skin, your immune system continuously attacks.

1061
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: Yep.

1062
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: So you're disrupting the barrier of the skin. So what

1063
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: happens in that case is food antigens environmental antigens actually

1064
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: penetrate through your skin into circulation and your immune system

1065
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: encounters it in your skin. Now, when your immune system

1066
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: encounters any antigen in your skin and not through your gut,

1067
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: it thinks that something's invading your system because the skin

1068
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: is a barrier, right. If something penetrates to the barrier,

1069
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: your immune system is literally going, holy crap, this is bad.

1070
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: We got to attack this. So it attacks whatever is

1071
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: coming in with a very strong inflammatory response. If it

1072
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: happens to be a peanut antigen or ragweed or pollen

1073
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: that's coming in, it's going to remember to attack that

1074
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: every time it sees it anywhere in the body. So

1075
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: when you eat it, it's going to attack it. When

1076
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: you breathe it in, it's going to attack it. You

1077
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: develop in the sensitivities, you develop food allergies, asthma, ezema,

1078
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: and so on. Right, So that's called an atopic march.

1079
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: So kids with egzema or dermatitis have eight times higher

1080
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: risk of developing allergies, asthma and food sensitivities as a

1081
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: result of that. Right. So then the question what should

1082
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: you do from a gut perspective, because there is a

1083
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: gut skin axis, and it's really important because the skin

1084
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: is built from the inside out. Right, The topmost layer

1085
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: of skin is kind of a dead skin CeON, but

1086
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: all of the structural elements are underneath. Number One, From

1087
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: a dietary perspective, try to reduce or avoid dairy, try

1088
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: to or avoid gluten. Yes, right, those two things have

1089
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: been shown in upwards of fifty clinical trials to be

1090
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 1: inflammatory for certain types of people for the skin. Right,

1091
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: So your skin is already inflammatory. You have acne, you

1092
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: have ezema, you have dermatitis. You want to avoid those

1093
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: or reduce them significantly until you can tolerate them again.

1094
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: And you will be able to tolerate them again if

1095
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: you follow a certain progress. So that's one thing. Number Two,

1096
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: you really want to get your prebiotics, your probiotics and

1097
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: your fiber in And the reason for that is when

1098
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: you have the right bacteria in your gut, like the

1099
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: spores for example, and then you take a prebiotic with it,

1100
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: the probiotics are being converted to something called short chain

1101
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: fatty acids, and one of the short chain fatty acids

1102
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: is called acetate. Acetate is really important for reducing inflammation

1103
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: in the skin and in using repair on the skin. Also,

1104
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: when you eat food, then you also get these things

1105
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: to fight called phyto nutrients. These are nutrients that come

1106
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: in from plants. One of them is phytoseramides that are

1107
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: found in like rice brand and things like that. These

1108
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: are fatty acids that are then converted by the liver

1109
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: and then sent to the skin to repair the skin

1110
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: from the inside out. Okay, right. One of the barriers

1111
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: that you have on your skin is called a seramide layer.

1112
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: It acts as a sticky mortar that sticks all your

1113
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: skin cells together and creates an impenetrable layer. Those seramides,

1114
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: they'll come from the from the gut, So you need

1115
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: to have a healthy gut and a healthy liver as

1116
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: a result of that to form these seramides and feed

1117
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: the skin, and you need the acetate also to do that.

1118
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: In fact, I organized and ran one of the largest

1119
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: probiotic acne studies ever and it was with these same

1120
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: strains that are in the just thrived probiotic. And what

1121
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: we saw was in that in a non cystic acne individual, right,

1122
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: in a three month period, we were able to reduce

1123
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: acne lesions by seventy five percent.

1124
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: And the only thing they changed was the probietic right.

1125
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: And actually got a US patent for the technology. And

1126
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: the reason for that is we were able to figure

1127
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: out that when you take the right probiotic like the spores,

1128
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: it increases this acetate production in the gut. That acetate

1129
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: plays a significant role in reducing inflammation in the skin

1130
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: and modulating the immune response in the skin, thereby allowing

1131
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: the skin to heal in the case of acne, allowing

1132
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: the lesions to go away, in the case of other

1133
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: inflammatory issues, allowing those to repair. Right, so simple, And

1134
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: the reason I became passionate about that is because I

1135
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: was saying, doctors are using three to six months of

1136
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: antibiotics to cure pimples. Right, It's so crazy to think

1137
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: that we're going to do these atom bombs to your

1138
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: system that can have long term deleterious effect for a

1139
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: cosmetic reason. Yes, there's got to be a better way

1140
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: to do this. That's when we started looking at the

1141
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: impact of the gutskin axis and the role of the probium.

1142
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: It's so great that you have studies that back this

1143
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: up because the same as you could talk about, but

1144
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: the fact that people get to see science it really

1145
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 2: will help people to think, Okay, maybe I don't need

1146
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: to do that for my skin. Maybe I can try

1147
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: all these other roots before I turn to something like that.

1148
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: You spoke about fiber. We've spoken about it quite a lot.

1149
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: During this conversation. I read a stat that said only

1150
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: five percent of Americans actually have the right amount of

1151
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 2: fiber that they're supposed to. Yes, tell me why fiber

1152
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: is so important and why are people not having enough

1153
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: of it? And what should they be eating?

1154
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like to frame it this way with

1155
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: fiber because I have this goal of making fiber sexy.

1156
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. Let's do it.

1157
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: Because fiber is so boring and it's people like fiber.

1158
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: It's like eating a bark of a treat.

1159
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1160
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let me let me frame it in a

1161
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: different way. Okay, imagine rather I came to you and

1162
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: I said, I've discovered a compound and get this. If

1163
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: you take enough of this compound, it will reduce your

1164
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: risk of dying from anything by forty five to fifty percent.

1165
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: I'll take it.

1166
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like cutting in a half your risk of dying

1167
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: from anything. You would go, holy crap, how can I

1168
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: get this? And by the way, that is a massive claim.

1169
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: So extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And you might say,

1170
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: what is your proof that this thing does that? And

1171
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: I'll go, well, there's about one hundred and eighty published studies,

1172
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: are about one hundred and fifty three million person years

1173
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: in clinical trials that have shown this. Studies, the meta

1174
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: analysis studies with over a million subjects that have proven this.

1175
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: And you go, okay, okay, fine, there's enough research. I

1176
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: believe you. Right, this thing can reduce my risk of

1177
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: dying from anything by forty five percent. What is this

1178
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: miracle thing? Where did you get it? Is it from

1179
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: outer space? Right? And I would say that thing is fiber.

1180
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1181
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: It's just plain all fiber. Right. For every ten grams

1182
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: of fiber you add to your daily diet, you reduce

1183
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: your risk of all cause mortality by ten percent, damn

1184
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: right up to about forty five percent or so. And

1185
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: then after that the line starts flattening out, meaning you

1186
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: can't get to one hundred percent. But the average American

1187
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: eats around eight grams of fiber. Eight grams, eight grams

1188
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: of fiber. Come on, guys, incidentally, right, this is accidentally

1189
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: just from stuff that they eat.

1190
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: Give me a like equivalent of what that is? Like,

1191
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: is that an apple? Is that? Up? And on?

1192
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: And like?

1193
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: What is eight grams of fiber?

1194
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's probably like a small bowl of broccoli. No, yeah,

1195
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe a handful of lentils.

1196
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, like maybe four carrots, wowing, it's nothing.

1197
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If you take that eight grams

1198
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: and you make it eighteen grams, you've reduced your risk

1199
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: of mortality by ten percent. If you take that eighteen

1200
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: grams and make it twenty eight grams, you reduce your

1201
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: risk of mortality by another twenty percent.

1202
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: Do you know how many grams of fiber is in

1203
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: like a tablespoon of solium husk? Is it?

1204
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's about six six grams or so. Oh right,

1205
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: So what I do, which is the simplest thing, right,

1206
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: So my goal is to reduce my risk of dying

1207
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: from stuff.

1208
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm into it.

1209
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: Simple, Yeah, I prove resilient. And then we'll talk about

1210
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: utilization of fiber. That's also important. So I try to

1211
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: get about forty forty five grams a day. I know

1212
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: that from a dietary perspective, it's hard to do that

1213
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: because you have to be quite measured. So I try

1214
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: to supplement about half of it. So how do I

1215
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: supplement half of it? S good old solium husk, right,

1216
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: this organic india simple, there's nothing in it.

1217
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have that one.

1218
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a great experience, you know, because it

1219
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: doesn't taste like anything. You just mix it in the

1220
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: and shug it down. But I do about two and

1221
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: a half tablespoons before each of my two largest meals, okay,

1222
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: and that gives me about ten grams each time.

1223
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1224
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: So right there, I'm knocking out twenty grams of fiber

1225
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: for my daily diet. Then the rest of the time

1226
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm eating lentils and beans and fruits and vegetables and

1227
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: all that, I'm easily getting another twenty grams. So I've

1228
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: knocked out about forty grams of fiber each day pretty easily.

1229
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: The other benefit of doing the cilium hust before the

1230
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: meal is it acts as your natural GLP one, right,

1231
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: That's what fiber does. So it slows down your gastric system,

1232
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: It makes you feel more full, It blunts that post

1233
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: meal glucose curve. It triggers fat burning in your system

1234
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: by activating all these hormones, the satidy hormones, so does

1235
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 1: wonderful things metabolically, but also it's saving your life down

1236
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: the road right now. The beauty of fiber, and this

1237
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: goes back to the importance of the microbiome. It's so powerful.

1238
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: It can save your life. It can reduce your risk

1239
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: of mortality by forty forty five percent. But we can't

1240
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: utilize it. We don't break down fiber, we don't get

1241
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: anything out of it. Right, So, how is this thing

1242
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: that we can't even break down and digest. How is

1243
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: this such a life saver? Because all of it goes

1244
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: to feed the microbiome, all of it and your microbes

1245
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: turn it into compounds that we need to survive, like

1246
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: short chain fatty acids. We talk about the acidate for

1247
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: the skin health, right, butyrate for metabolic health, for your

1248
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 1: immune system, all of these things. And butyrate also helps

1249
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: with your brain Approprionate helps with the gut, brain access

1250
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: and stress response. And then euro lithans right, so within fiber,

1251
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: I would also categorize polyphenols is really important, right, So polyphenols,

1252
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: this is another goal for people. Polyphenols are the colored

1253
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: parts of fruits and vegetables. Right. If you can get

1254
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: a pound of berries of some sort a day, you're

1255
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: meeting most of your needs of polyphenols. Right, And here's

1256
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: what they do for you. And a pound is not hard.

1257
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: So just think about cherries, blueberries, blackberries, and so on.

1258
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: I just throw them into my smedy in the morning, totally.

1259
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so easy. And I have like we always

1260
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: have like a bowl of them sitting around the house, right,

1261
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: And if I feel snacky during the day, I just

1262
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: grab a handful of them and eat them.

1263
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1264
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: Right, And some of them are bitter, so it gives

1265
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: you the bitters too. But here's what they're doing. We

1266
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: all know that we have these engines within our cells

1267
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: called mitochondria.

1268
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: Right.

1269
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: Some cells have a few hundred, some cells have a

1270
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: few million depending on the cells. The only cells that

1271
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: don't have them are your red blood cells because they're

1272
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: just carrying oxygen around. So the mitochondria will dictate how

1273
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: the cells function because they're the engines of the cell.

1274
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: And in fact, one of the best the best views

1275
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: of aging is something called the mitochondrial free radical theory

1276
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: of aging. Doesn't really roll off the top, but what

1277
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: that says effectively is that as the mitochondria is generating

1278
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: energy atp is the energy form, it also creates an exhaust.

1279
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: Just like your car creates an exhaust when it's burning fuel, right,

1280
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: So when your mitochondra is burning fuel to create energy,

1281
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: it creates an exhaust. The exhausts are called reactive oxygen

1282
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: species and oxidation oxidative stress. That exhaust ends up killing

1283
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: the cell and mitochondria if it's not quenched, right, And

1284
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: so the mitochondria over time gets damaged, just like your

1285
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: car engine gets damaged, and especially if you're not changing

1286
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: oil and all that. Right, So, your mitochondria has like

1287
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: a certain lifespan, and what your cells need to do

1288
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: is number One, quench the exhaust as much as it can.

1289
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: Number Two, As the mitochondria start to get damage. It

1290
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: has to shut down that mitochondria and pull a new

1291
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: one out, right, or your cells going to die, and

1292
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: then the organs that your cell the cells makeup, will die.

1293
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: So now you have to exhaust that. You have to

1294
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: save the mitochondria. We have a compound in us that

1295
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: circulates in our system called eurolithin A. One of its

1296
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: roles is to rescue the dyeing mitochondria. And guess what,

1297
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: it's so important. We can't make it. We don't make

1298
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: this eurolithina. It doesn't come from our diet. Where do

1299
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: we get it. It's from bacteria in your gut metabolizing

1300
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: polyphenols and converting it and producing it for us. It's crazy, right,

1301
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: So the engines of our cells, arguably the most important

1302
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: part of the cell, right that allows us to function,

1303
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: requires this compound to fix the broken engines. We can't

1304
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: make this compound, nor do we get it from our diet.

1305
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: We're counting on bacteria in our gut to do it

1306
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: for us. Talk about outsourcing critical functions, right, Pair that

1307
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: with the inuter or development of the brain I talked

1308
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: about earlier, and we really depend on the microbes. Right,

1309
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: So then you talk about fiber utilization. If you went

1310
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: from eight grams of fiber per day and you did

1311
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: forty tomorrow, you're going to be really pissed off at everyone, right,

1312
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: because you're not going to be utilizing it properly. And

1313
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: the reason for that is because the microbes that take

1314
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: the fiber and convert it to beneficial things are at

1315
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: such low levels because you haven't been eating enough fiber.

1316
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 2: Most people say when they start to eat healthy that

1317
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: my god just can't take it, Like, I mean all

1318
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 2: these foods, I mean all these vegetables, and my gud's unhappy,

1319
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: like as more unhappy than it was before. And I'm

1320
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: guessing is because of this.

1321
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: It's because of this. So what's happening is you're not

1322
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: breaking down, your gut is not breaking down. Your microbes

1323
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: are not breaking down the fiber propertly, right, So then

1324
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: you might have some dysfunctional microbes that take over and

1325
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: start trying to break it down, but they produces or

1326
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: other inflammatory compounds instead of the beneficial stuff. So what

1327
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: you really need to do is introduce the fiber YEP

1328
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: with the right probiotic. This is where we've seen a

1329
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: massive difference in fiber utilization so you take the spore

1330
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: based probiotics, so just thrive probiotics and you add it

1331
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: with a dose with every ten grams of fiber that

1332
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: you add into your system. Right, So let's say today

1333
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: your standard American diet, I'm eating eight grams of fiber. Incidentally,

1334
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to go, okay, tomorrow, I'm going to add

1335
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: five to seven grams of additional fiber to my diet.

1336
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: Make it a supplement, makes it easy, do cillium husk

1337
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: a tablespoon or so, but make sure you take your

1338
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: spore probiotics with it, because the probiotics will enhance the

1339
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: utilization of the fiber by the right bacteria. And then

1340
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: the next day you do the same thing. Do that

1341
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: for a week, and then the following week add another

1342
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: five to seven grams to that day.

1343
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: How many grams of fibers should we be having in

1344
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: a day.

1345
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,799
Speaker 1: So we should really everyone should be going for forty

1346
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: to fifty grams minimums.

1347
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, minimum, everyone was setting your goals. Now, fifty

1348
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 2: grams a fiber.

1349
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: And the average person is a fifth of the way there, right,

1350
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: and remember this is such a powerful compound. You get

1351
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: to forty or fifty, you're cutting your all cause mortality

1352
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: by forty to fifty percent.

1353
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 2: The one thing you take away from this well few

1354
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 2: bites fiber and probiotics for us, Yeah, exactly, probatics. You

1355
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: spoke about leaky gut. I would love to touch on

1356
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 2: that because I think there's so many things that are

1357
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: just going up enough, aren't they, And it's all the

1358
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 2: all the not great things. But leaky gut has become

1359
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: a big thing. What is it and how can people

1360
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: help to repair it? And if it's the same as

1361
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 2: what you've been speaking about, you can refer back to it.

1362
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: But what is leaky gut and how does it differ

1363
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: from something like IBS? How does someone know that they've

1364
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 2: got leaky gut versus something like IBS?

1365
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, if you have any digestive issues

1366
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: at all, your gut is leaky, right, So the leaky

1367
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: gut actually comes first often and precedes the digestive symptoms, right,

1368
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: if you have allergies and immune issues, If you have anxiety,

1369
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: that's also tied to leaki gut. For example, the Netherlands

1370
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: that a study called the Netherlands Study on Anxiety and Depression.

1371
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,879
Speaker 1: It was a nine year long study, a national study

1372
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: because there's this epidemic of anxiety and depression going up,

1373
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out what is driving this. Right.

1374
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: What they identified is leaky gut was a number one

1375
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: driver and number one predictor of anxiety and depression, right.

1376
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: And the reason for that, And here's why leaki gut

1377
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: actually causes all this problems and why it's leaky. So

1378
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: your gut is a very dynamic barrier, right. So your

1379
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: skin is a really firm barrier. It's like a brick wall,

1380
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: nothing is supposed to get through, but your gut is

1381
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: more complicated than that because stuff is supposed to get through, right,

1382
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: So it's a selectively permeable barrier. You want nutrients to

1383
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: come through, but you don't want microbes and toxins to

1384
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: come through. So there's a few things that are that

1385
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: manage that selective permeability. Number one is a mucus layer

1386
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: that's sitting on your gut, right, that's supposed to trap stuff.

1387
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: And then within that mucus layer are immunoglobulins or antibodies.

1388
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: These antibodies are produced by immune cells, but the production

1389
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: of them are stimulated by bacteria. So you want adequate

1390
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: amount of antibodies in that mucous layer, so when things

1391
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: are trapped, the antibodies can sit on them and neutralize

1392
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 1: them so they don't cause a problem. In between the

1393
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: cells the intestinal lining, there are these spaces called tight junctions,

1394
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: and there are proteins that manage that space so that

1395
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: they can open up when food's supposed to come through

1396
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: a nutrients supposed to come through, and they can sinch

1397
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: up when they don't want toxins and bacteria to come through.

1398
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: The expression of those type junction proteins are also dependent

1399
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: on bacteria. And then finally, about eighty five percent of

1400
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: things that get through the lining of the gut end

1401
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: up in the liver, so the liver has to deal

1402
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: with the toxicity of those things. Now, liver is the

1403
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: liver is protected by the microbes in the gut, and

1404
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: so at the end of the day, the selective permeability

1405
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,480
Speaker 1: of your gut lining is dictated heavily by the microbes

1406
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: in that space. And if the microbes become dismantled because

1407
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: of antibiotics, bad choices, stress, and all that, then those

1408
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: mechanisms that make the barrier selectively permeable fall apart. The

1409
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: barrier then becomes completely permeable. Now not only are nutrients

1410
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: coming through, but toxins and all that are leaking through

1411
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: as well. And the most sinister of all the toxins

1412
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:27,799
Speaker 1: that leak through is something called LPs lipopolysachrie. It's actually

1413
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: generated in the gut because it's made by microbes in

1414
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: the gut. But in a healthy system, it gets sequestered

1415
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: in that mucous lining, it gets neutralized by antibodies and

1416
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: so on. In an unhealthy gut, it leaks through and

1417
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: ends up in circulation. When it ends up in circulation,

1418
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: it triggers massive amounts of inflammation throughout the body. It

1419
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: can get to the joints, and in the joint trigger

1420
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: inflammation that eats away at the cartilage. It can get

1421
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: to the brain. In the deep recesses of the brain,

1422
01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: it triggers inflammatory processes that creates neuro degeneration, interfere with

1423
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: serotonin and dopamine binding in the brain, so you end

1424
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: up with anxiety and depression. It can create inflammation in

1425
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,480
Speaker 1: the skin so that you end up with dermatitis and acne.

1426
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: So it's sinister, and when it's allowed to leak through,

1427
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: it creates havoc in the body. It creates something called

1428
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: chronic low grade inflammation. Right. There was a twenty fifteen

1429
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: publication in Frontiers of Immunology which was like it was

1430
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: almost like an opinion paper by a number of scientists

1431
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: that reviewed all the science around this, and they basically

1432
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: concluded that the leakiness of the gut and the migration

1433
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 1: of this toxin LPs into circulation was the number one

1434
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: cause of mortality and morbidity worldwide. It's a number one

1435
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: cause of death, right Why because it triggers all of

1436
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: these response negative responses in the body. And when we

1437
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,839
Speaker 1: did studies, for example, I published a paper on leaky

1438
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,839
Speaker 1: gut endotoxemia in twenty seventeen, we took healthy normal college

1439
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: to if there is such a thing, it's a healthy

1440
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: and normal college student. Right. But from a clinical definition,

1441
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: they were healthy normals, meaning they had no chronic diseases,

1442
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,799
Speaker 1: they weren't on any medication, normal body weight, no symptoms

1443
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: of anything. Fifty five percent of them had severe leaky

1444
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: gut to the point where it took their body two

1445
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: weeks to recover from the inflammation from a single meal. No,

1446
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: that's how significant it can be. Now they don't feel

1447
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: anything just yet it's still what we would call subclinical.

1448
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: But that happening over and over again, meal after meal,

1449
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: year after year your body. Then it leads to degeneration

1450
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: that you start to feel in your early thirties and

1451
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: so on.

1452
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's like such good information that everyone

1453
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: needs to know, and there's so much of it. I've

1454
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 2: got so many more questions for you, but I won't

1455
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: going to all of them.

1456
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: Well, you did ask how do you fix that? Right?

1457
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: Fix it?

1458
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: It goes back to all the same things we've been

1459
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: talking out. Good the fiber, the probiotics, the prebiotics, like

1460
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: that is the core actually so simple?

1461
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:01,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1462
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 1: We actually we published a study just on the probiotic

1463
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: alone in twenty seventeen. That was the first studay I

1464
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: talked about. We're just taking the probiotic without adjusting anything

1465
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: else in diet or stress and all that we were

1466
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: able to reduce endotoximy or leaky gut by seventy five percent.

1467
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Seventy three pers kind of hill by itself.

1468
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: By doing these things, you don't necessarily okay, okay.

1469
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 1: Because it's the microbes that actually repair the space. You

1470
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: have to bring the microbes back and provide them the

1471
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: right tools.

1472
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: Perfect. I wanted to move on to something that I

1473
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: noticed when I moved to the US, A significant difference

1474
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 2: in my gut when I moved from the UK to

1475
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 2: the US. And you know a big part of that

1476
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: is the food systems and the regulations that exist here.

1477
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: But if someone can't move to Europe, what are they

1478
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 2: supposed to do and how can they help protect themselves

1479
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: from the things that are on their fruits, their vegetables

1480
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: that they don't even realize.

1481
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one's really hard and every little bit you

1482
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: minimize your exposure is very helpful. Okay, So I want

1483
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: to give that to people because I don't want want

1484
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: them to feel super anxious that they can't like become

1485
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: completely holistic. So Number one, I would try to get

1486
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: as much as your produced as you can from like

1487
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: farmers markets. Right Like every city around here and even

1488
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: small towns on the weekends will have farmer's markets. So

1489
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: as much as you can pick up your fruits, vegetables

1490
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: and all that from farmers markets, the better because they

1491
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: have less of the pesticide residue and all that. We

1492
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: actually did a study with King's College in London on

1493
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: the impact of the pesticides that are regularly used here

1494
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: in the US. It's funny enough that we were trying

1495
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: to test this, you know, the pesticides around up versions

1496
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: of the pesticides on what happens to a child's microbiome

1497
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: when they're exposed to what the US EPA designates as

1498
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: like safe levels. Right. And it was a three week

1499
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: long study in a microbiome modeling system that used an

1500
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: actual child's microbiome. What we saw is that that's quote

1501
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: unquote safe level of exposure for three weeks. That child's microbiome,

1502
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: which was pristine, looked healthy, turned to the microbiome of

1503
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 1: someone that has inflammatory bowel disease in just that three

1504
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: week period. Right. And yes, it's an in vitro system,

1505
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: so it's probably accelerated, but you can just imagine day

1506
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: after day exposure to it. So as much as we

1507
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: can minimize our exposure, I would do that. Now, the

1508
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: counterbalance to that is the fiber, the prebiotics, and the

1509
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: sport based probiotics. So if you cannot completely eliminate your

1510
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: exposure to those things, which most people can't, then you

1511
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're taking these things that counterbalance

1512
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: the negative effect you know, just.

1513
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 2: Washing, you know, obviously washing the fruits in the vegetables

1514
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: and even like ruining the skins. Do they just penetrate

1515
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 2: deeply into the vegetable though, it's.

1516
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: Some of the vegetables in like things like tomatoes and all,

1517
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: they can penetrate a little bit deeper, which is actually

1518
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: a great reason to grow your own tomatoes, like a

1519
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: little tomato right now. Actually yeah, yeah, tomatoes, cucumbers, right,

1520
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: just grow some of that, like the leafy greens. Spinach

1521
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: is easy to grow organic. You know. So organic also

1522
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: uses pesticides, right, Unfortunately, yes, they may not be the

1523
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: same pesticides, but they do, and maybe there's for some people.

1524
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: I would say it's probably a slightly better type of

1525
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: pesticide that's used, but they do. So I don't want

1526
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: people to feel like, oh, I eat all organic, so

1527
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm fine, right, Yes, yes, you're still eating food that

1528
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: has contamination in it, and you still want to try

1529
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: to wash your food. You still want to go from

1530
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: to farmers' markets as much as you can. And in fact,

1531
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, some frozen fruits and vegetables are actually really beneficial, right,

1532
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: so you can get I've actually found and I can't

1533
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: think of where we found this, but we found frozen

1534
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,759
Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables that come frozen from overseas in places

1535
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: that they're grown where they don't use pesticides. Right now,

1536
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 1: the frozen aspect of it is important because it actually

1537
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: locks in the nutrition in the fruits and vegetables. So

1538
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: as much as you can try to do these things,

1539
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: they should try, but also know that you're system can

1540
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: be resilient, like you can fight back at it. Yeah,

1541
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: you still want to eat your fruits and vegetables even if.

1542
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: You're going to end up that's non excuse.

1543
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: Guys, Exactly, like you don't want to be like, well,

1544
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: I might as well eat my cheeries because I can't.

1545
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 2: Get pa instead.

1546
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: Exactly, you still want to eat those. They still have

1547
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: nutritional value and benefit. But you want to just fight

1548
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: back against it by doing things that are deliberate like

1549
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,759
Speaker 1: your your probiotics, probiotics and fiber okay, right, and manage stress.

1550
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I'm sure you've seen that the this

1551
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 2: is the era of the extreme amount of protein in

1552
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: our diets at the moment. Wanted to touch on that

1553
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 2: and get your opinion on whether extreme amounts of protein

1554
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: message your gut up and also what sources of protein,

1555
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 2: because I'll speak for myself as a vegan, I a

1556
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 2: lot of the protein powders are made from pea protein,

1557
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: and I find a lot of people when they're trying

1558
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 2: to switch or go from being someone who does take

1559
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 2: way to come into taking vegan protein powders, they struggle

1560
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 2: a little bit with with how it affects their gut.

1561
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 2: So I'd love to hear your take on it.

1562
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, we're kind of we overcorrect all

1563
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 1: the time right on trends, and then we overcorrect. The

1564
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: protein thing is like, it's generally okay. I would rather

1565
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: people are focused on trying to get protein into their

1566
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: diet than eating other nonsense. So that's fine, But here's

1567
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: a really really important piece of the message. We already

1568
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: talked about. The average American eats like eight grams of

1569
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: fiber a day, right, which is like nothing, and then

1570
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: the average American, incidentally is getting around twenty grams of protein,

1571
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: so they're already a three to one ratio. Then if

1572
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 1: you take that average person and they're like, oh my god,

1573
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: I heard on this thing that I need to get

1574
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: one gram per pound, and they're like one hundred and

1575
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: fifty pound person. Now they're pushing to try to get

1576
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty grams a day, right, but they're

1577
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: still at eight grams of protein. Yeah, fiber. Sorry, So

1578
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 1: now there are like a twenty to one ration, which

1579
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: is even worse. So what happened in that case? So

1580
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: in your gut, you've got two big types of fermentation

1581
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: that occur. One is called protealytic and the other one

1582
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: is called sacraltic. Right. Protalytic fermentation is often done when

1583
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: you have a lot of protein coming in and you

1584
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: can only break down and assimilate a certain amount of

1585
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: that protein. A lot of it will end up going

1586
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: to your gut microbes and they will break it down

1587
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: and ferment it. Now, that can be okay, but if

1588
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: you have too much protalytic fermentation, they also create inflammatory

1589
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: byproducts like compounds called p crussol for example, or ammonia

1590
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: becomes a negative byproduct of protalytic fermentation. So what you

1591
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: don't want is you don't want too much protalytic fermentation.

1592
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: You want sacroltic fermentation, which is where you convert plant

1593
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,440
Speaker 1: based materials, fibers and all that to short chain fatty acids, eurolithins,

1594
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: all these things we talked about. So then if you

1595
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: go really crazy in the protein and you're not balancing

1596
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: it out with fiber, then you're going to drive your

1597
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: gut towards protein fermentation. And although you might get some

1598
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: benefit from the protein, you're still going to produce those

1599
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: inflammatory compounds that will wreck your gut over time. And

1600
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: then keep in mind the keystone species we talked about,

1601
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,520
Speaker 1: they don't eat protein. They need fiber, they need polyphenols,

1602
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 1: they need based materials. So you're not feeding your keystone

1603
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: species over time. So to me, if you want to

1604
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: build muscle, which is great, you want to get your

1605
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: resistance training in all fantastic, you want to get enough protein,

1606
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: you've got to balance it out with fiber. If you're

1607
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: doing one hundred grams of protein, you better be doing

1608
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: fifty grams of fiber with it, right, So do them together,

1609
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 1: have some balance, Try not to go too much further

1610
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: than a two to one ratio.

1611
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. I have some specific questions. I

1612
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 2: asked some of my community about questions I had about

1613
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: the gut, and so these might be fast answers that

1614
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: you have for them, but someone else. Why does animal

1615
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: protein upset my gut so much?

1616
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it has a completely different type of amino

1617
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: acid profile, and for a lot of people it's less accessible,

1618
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: right because you have to chop it down. So, if

1619
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: you think about a muscle, a chicken breast, right, chicken

1620
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: breast is a muscle. It's similar to the muscle in

1621
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: your arm, for example. In that form, it is a

1622
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: very complicated tertiary, which is a three dimensional folding of

1623
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: protein chains. So in order for us to actually utilize

1624
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: that chicken breast, it has to go into the gut.

1625
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: We have to first chew it, so we break it

1626
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: down a little bit goes into the gut, and then

1627
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: stomach acid and enzymes have to attack it and unfold

1628
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: a three dimensional structure into a two dimensional structure and

1629
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: then string it out like a string of pearls, and

1630
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: then chop up that string of pearls to individual pearls.

1631
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 2: You gun needs to be real strong to be doing that.

1632
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: It has to be real strying to do that. So

1633
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: what happens if you don't do that adequately? You get

1634
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: undigested components of protein and then it ferments, and in

1635
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: fact protein fermentation is actually called putrification.

1636
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really gross when people have.

1637
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: You can smell it.

1638
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah.

1639
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: And so, in order to properly utilize animal based proteins

1640
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: in the form of chicken and steak and so on,

1641
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: you have to have a healthy digestive system. You have

1642
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: to be able to break it down and assimilate it.

1643
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: It's less accessible that way, so you want to make

1644
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: sure your digestive system is healthy to handle it.

1645
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 2: Why does coffee up at the stomach and what's a

1646
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 2: better option, especially if I'm having it early in the morning.

1647
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so coffee triggers something called parastalsis. That's

1648
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: the bowel movements, similar to how magnesium would do that. Right.

1649
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: So for some people, like for me, coffee is like

1650
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: an amazing regulatory switch. Right, I wake up in the morning,

1651
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: I have a sip of coffee. I know within minutes

1652
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: I'm going to the bathroom. Yeah, and I'm having my

1653
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:41,879
Speaker 1: morning amazing definitiation.

1654
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 2: My friend, every time it comes to stay here is like, please,

1655
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: can you make sure you've got coffee because I need

1656
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 2: that to make sure I'm regular. So yeah, Now.

1657
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: For some people who have an overreactive neurological system in

1658
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: the gut. So the gut is covered with this system.

1659
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: It's the your neurological system that covers the entire digester track. Right,

1660
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: it's the second most dense nerve endings compared next to

1661
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: your brain. You have even more nerve endings in your

1662
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: gut than you do in your spinal cord. So people

1663
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 1: with IBS or irritable bowel or tendency for IBS have

1664
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 1: overactive nerve spasms, and so then their guts that compress

1665
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and spasm all the time. That's why they feel urgency, cramping,

1666
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: bloating and all that. Right, it's actually got brain issue.

1667
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: So when they have coffee, it just amplifies that nervous

1668
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: twitching of their neurological system. So for them, they have

1669
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 1: to be really careful. For those individuals. What I would

1670
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: actually do is, if you want to have coffee still

1671
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: because you need the energy alert to it wakes you up,

1672
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 1: I would wake up in the morning before having coffee.

1673
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: I would have some fiber. I would have some soluble

1674
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: fiber like a cilium hust that actually slows down all

1675
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 1: of those nerve signals, right, and then you can have

1676
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: coffee and that should alleviate some of that kind of

1677
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: spasmatic effect.

1678
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 2: That's a really good tip rather than saying don't drink coffee,

1679
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: you've got another option. Yeah, you've been inside of the

1680
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: health industry for decades now, and what would you say

1681
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 2: is the biggest lie that big farmer has sold us

1682
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 2: about our health?

1683
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: Ah? The biggest lie is.

1684
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 2: That one of them.

1685
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm just trying to think, like what, there's

1686
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: so many Yeah, the biggest lie is to me this

1687
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: idea that your system when you have disease, right, when

1688
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: you have a chronic condition, whatever it may be, that

1689
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: there's a default within your system that has to be

1690
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: corrected with certain interventions and medical interventions. Right, Like your

1691
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: body has all the ability needs to heal, Yeah, you

1692
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 1: have to put it in the right state tort right,

1693
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: it cannot heal in the wrong state. And so and

1694
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: there's plenty of need for interventional medicine. If I get

1695
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 1: in a car, WRECT take me to the er so

1696
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 1: they can put me back together. Right, it's an acute

1697
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: medicine is really advanced and fantastic in many ways. But

1698
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: when we think about chronic disease, we're thinking about your

1699
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: system is dysfunctional in a way that we need to

1700
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: intervene with compounds that disrupt pathways and all that. That's

1701
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: a wrong way of looking at it. Right, the question

1702
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: should be what is not happening in your body that's

1703
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: leading to this dysfunction, And in so many ways it

1704
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: could be a simplest answer. We talked about anxiety for example, Right,

1705
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: we have an epidemic of anxiety. And you look at

1706
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 1: somebody that's really anxious and has a really hard time

1707
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 1: getting through the day, right, and you go, well, that's

1708
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 1: imbalancing their brain chemistry. That was the old thinking, and

1709
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: so let's give them an SSRI so it unusually increases

1710
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: serotonin in their brain and so on. That is a

1711
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: meddling with a normal system that doesn't actually work. What

1712
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 1: they really have is likely something like leaky gut. They

1713
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: probably just need some fiber, They need to adjust their diet,

1714
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: they need to do some meditation, They need to bring

1715
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 1: their body back to a state in which it can

1716
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: heal itself.

1717
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just speaking to a friend actually recently

1718
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 2: who she's been struggling a lot with you know, depression

1719
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 2: and mood disorders, and she got put on a depression medication,

1720
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 2: and she said, they told me they were going to

1721
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: be some side effects, but it's so sad that you

1722
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: have to battle these. And then she tried it for

1723
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 2: a couple of days and the side effects were everything

1724
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 2: from like taste loss, like memory, brain fog stuff only

1725
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 2: within literally a couple of days, sleep issues, And it's

1726
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 2: just sad when you have to balance something with something else.

1727
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, Okay, I'm getting rid of this,

1728
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 2: but then I feel numb, and then I get all

1729
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: this other stuff, So which one is the less It's

1730
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: so hard for people to be in that position where

1731
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: they're saying, Okay, well, I guess I have to compromise

1732
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 2: on my sleep because this medication affects that, but then

1733
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: it's going to make me feel a little bit better

1734
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 2: in mood. It's just it's a really sad balance that

1735
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 2: people have to It works.

1736
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: And I would say I would refine my message even

1737
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: a little bit more.

1738
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: Right.

1739
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: So, I think one of the biggest downsides of how

1740
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical industry and say let's say conventional medicine has

1741
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: approached this idea of health is it is it's stripped

1742
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:14,719
Speaker 1: hope from people right by making you feel that there's

1743
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: an inherent dysfunction in your system that needs like intervention. Yes, right,

1744
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:25,560
Speaker 1: And this whole issue of evidence based medicine, we're conflating

1745
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: evidence based medicine with regular natural practices and you cannot

1746
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 1: do that, right. So, yes, if you develop a small

1747
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: molecular drug that's supposed to fix something or change something,

1748
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: you need a lot of evidence that that small molecule

1749
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: is going to do that thing, because that's the first

1750
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: time you're introducing that molecule into the human system. You

1751
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: have no idea where else it's going to do things,

1752
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: how else it's going to affect the system. So you

1753
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: need what we call evidence based medicine. You need all

1754
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 1: the randomized control trials, safety studies and all that. But

1755
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:00,919
Speaker 1: you don't need that for walking. You don't need evidence

1756
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: for meditation, you don't need evidence for sleep. You don't

1757
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: need evidence or healthy diet. Right, But we've conflated the

1758
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: two because, like you know, you'll talk to a cardiologist

1759
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: and they'll say, okay, your best way of reducing your

1760
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,679
Speaker 1: heart disease risk if you have family history and elevated

1761
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: cholesterol and all that is you take a drug, a

1762
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: static or a number of drugs. But then what do

1763
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 1: you say, Well, what if I just exercise and ate

1764
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: healthy and lost some weight and all that. They'll be like, well,

1765
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 1: this has trials on it. This one doesn't have as

1766
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: many trials. I'm like, well, but you don't need trials

1767
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: for those practices because those are just regular ol you know,

1768
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 1: traditional practices with lots of empirical evidence. Right. So I

1769
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: think the big issue is empirical evidence versus clinical evidence. Right,

1770
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: we shouldn't conflate the two. They have two different spaces

1771
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: in our world, right, food practices, all of that is.

1772
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have to conflict, they can work together.

1773
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: They can work together, right, Like, do I need to

1774
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: have a study to know that if I drink water

1775
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 1: it's going to alleviate my dehydration. No, it's pretty simple.

1776
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: It's pretty understood and humans have been doing it for millennia. Right.

1777
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: Do I need really good clinical evidence to think that

1778
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: this compound is going to alleviate some process? Like? Yeah,

1779
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: well I've never had this compound. It's never been in

1780
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:21,759
Speaker 1: our system. Right, So that's the part I think that really,

1781
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: And the problem with that is that doctors are at

1782
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 1: that intersection, right, because people the vast majority of people

1783
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: still count on their doctors for their health and their wellness, right,

1784
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: and the wellness part of it is even just kind

1785
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: of a misnomer in that case, but they count on

1786
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: them for their health. And doctors are trained on this

1787
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: evidence based medicine approach. They're not trained on the empirical

1788
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: evidence approach, right, And because they're not trained on the

1789
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:52,480
Speaker 1: empirical side, they don't know anything about how the empirical

1790
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: side affects their patients. All they know is the small

1791
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: molecular evidence based approach, and so it creates this push

1792
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 1: pull complication right where it's like, well, my doctor said this,

1793
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: they don't really know about this, and then I'm hearing

1794
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: this online.

1795
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 2: It's like it's too hard for people.

1796
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1797
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 2: One of the funniest things is slightly off topic. One

1798
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 2: of the funniest things is when you watch those ads

1799
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 2: for medications on TV and then at the end it's like,

1800
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 2: and then it will also cause this is this blindness

1801
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 2: and stomach issues and you might die in a year,

1802
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, really quickly. I wanted to touch on

1803
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 2: supplements because I think what people get used to doing

1804
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 2: and I was a culprit of this. You kind of

1805
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 2: end up taking supplements like multivitamin, is this, this, this,

1806
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 2: and you just stay on them for long periods of

1807
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 2: time and you don't think about whether you have to

1808
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 2: switch them out or change them or anything. What is

1809
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 2: your view on supplements cycling? And you know, should people

1810
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 2: be really figuring out what their needs are before they

1811
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 2: just start popping supplements?

1812
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: One hundred percent? Yeah, So so to me, supplements are

1813
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: exactly that they should be supplemental to a healthy lifestyle.

1814
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 1: Right where you can't get enough of a natural thing, yea,

1815
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,759
Speaker 1: be taking it as a supplement. That's why I said fiber,

1816
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: I supplement about half of it and I get the

1817
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: rest of it from my diet because I want to

1818
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: make sure I'm hitting my forty to fifty grams right. Probiotics,

1819
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: So the spores are a great example. Now, if we

1820
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: all left our modern lifestyles and went live on the

1821
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: side of the mountain, eat dirt and all that, we

1822
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't need the probiotic anymore, right, But since we don't

1823
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: have exposure to them anymore, and we know exposure to

1824
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:30,440
Speaker 1: them is critical, I say supplement with that right, prebiotics

1825
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: because we're not eating the rind of fruits. We're not

1826
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: eating the fiber within the fruit, we're eating the skin,

1827
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: which is where you find a lot of these prebiotics.

1828
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Then you have to supplement with it, right, because we're

1829
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: not getting enough of it. And so generally my view

1830
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 1: is you have to create the right foundation of the

1831
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 1: right of a diverse diet, a whole food diet, exercise, meditation, mindfulness,

1832
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,640
Speaker 1: work all of those things, cleaning up your environment a

1833
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: little bit, reducing the toxicity of your personal care product

1834
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:03,719
Speaker 1: and the environment around you, and then find foundational things

1835
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: to add to your supplementation. Yeah. Right, probiotics, probiotics, fiber,

1836
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 1: certain vitamins if you're not getting enough of it, like

1837
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 1: vitamin K two, for example, is critical for your overall health,

1838
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: but we get almost none of it because most of

1839
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: it comes from certain types of fermented foods. Right. It's

1840
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: critical for bone health, for nerve health, for brain health,

1841
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 1: for your cardiovascular health, but we get very little of

1842
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: it because we don't eat organs, we don't eat brains,

1843
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 1: we don't eat really awful fermented foods like NATO, right,

1844
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: fermented soybeans. So that is a supplement. So what I

1845
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: would always encourage people is don't look at supplementation as

1846
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: a crutch right to the proper healthy foundation. Set up

1847
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: the healthy foundation first, and then supplement in certain foundational

1848
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 1: things that you just need and cannot get through the

1849
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: natural process.

1850
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You were not lying when you

1851
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 2: said that this is going to be the best gut

1852
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 2: health and got health podcast that I was ever going

1853
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 2: to hear. Honestly, phenomenal. I'm such a geek for this stuff,

1854
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 2: and I feel like you've answered literally every question. But

1855
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure we could do another podcast episode and I

1856
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 2: have so much more to talk to you about.

1857
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: I would welcome coming back. It's beautiful out here, and

1858
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. And I want

1859
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 1: one last message for people is that they have a

1860
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 1: lot more control over their outcomes than they think. Yes,

1861
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: basic like lots of small decisions throughout the day, what

1862
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 1: you put in your body, what you put on your body,

1863
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 1: how who you surround yourself with, it's all you, and

1864
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: all of those add up to really powerful outcomes. You're

1865
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: so right, And so I want people to not feel hopeless.

1866
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: I want them to feel not feel lost, and I

1867
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 1: also don't want them to feel like completely confused by

1868
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: every biohacking thing and all that that they see that

1869
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: they think they need to do right, it's really just

1870
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 1: the fountain this just keep it simple.

1871
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think a big part of this

1872
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 2: podcast is to help people to take their health back

1873
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 2: into their own hands. And I really believe that from

1874
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 2: the moment I felt in power of my health and

1875
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 2: being able to say no to things even if people

1876
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 2: recommended it. By being able to say no, I believe

1877
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 2: my body can fight this. I believe my body has

1878
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 2: everything that it needs and nature has everything that it

1879
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 2: needs around me to help heal my body. It fully transform.

1880
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 2: My immunity got better, and my digestion got better, like

1881
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 2: every part of my physical and mental health change. When

1882
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 2: I felt like I was in power of my own body,

1883
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 2: and I think that's something all people need is the

1884
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 2: right information, which I feel like you've really shared today.

1885
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 2: And it's so simple, but we should all just do

1886
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 2: a little thirty day trial of trying all these things

1887
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 2: and see how much better you feel. And it takes

1888
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 2: such a short period of time of doing the wrong

1889
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:37,600
Speaker 2: things our whole life. All you need to do is

1890
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 2: commit to something for a short period to really see

1891
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 2: the benefit and then you just want to keep going

1892
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 2: with it anyway.

1893
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, because you'll feel that resilience, you'll feel that reward.

1894
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: And like you said, I challenge people for thirty days,

1895
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: increase your fiber intake by four to five grams each week.

1896
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: Let's go the daily diet, get some prebiotics in and

1897
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: get your spores in. Yes, and you'll see how you

1898
01:37:57,800 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: may change in thirty days.

1899
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm doing it.

1900
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 1: Change yourself.

1901
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were doing it. You better be. Thanks again,

1902
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1903
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 1: M m hmmmmmm mmm