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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one fifteen taying

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Speaker 1: the show. I'm joined by Joe Miles, hardcore white to

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Speaker 1: hunter from South Carolina who's consistently found a way to

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Speaker 1: up to the Midwest, and we're exploring exactly how he's

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Speaker 1: been able to do that. All right, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear.

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Speaker 1: And I just mentioned we've got Joe Miles on the

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Speaker 1: show with me to day, and we're going to be

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Speaker 1: discussing exactly how he's had such great success across the country,

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Speaker 1: whether that be in South Carolina, Illinois, or Kansas or

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Speaker 1: anywhere else. And you might be familiar with Joe as

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Speaker 1: he's been featured on the Matthews Dominant Box TV show

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Speaker 1: in the past and is currently a member of the

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Speaker 1: Team two hundred show along with past podcast guest Adam Hayes.

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Speaker 1: And I'll let Joe share a little more about himself

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Speaker 1: in a minute, but In short, he's just someone who

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Speaker 1: has had incredible success in a lot of different areas

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Speaker 1: chasing big, mature bucks, and my goal today is to

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Speaker 1: figure out exactly how he's managed to do it. You know,

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Speaker 1: what are the keys to success for a guy who's

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Speaker 1: killed well over a hundred deer, four of them grossing

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Speaker 1: over a hundred seventy You know, That's what we're going

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Speaker 1: to try and figure out today over the next hour

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Speaker 1: or two. But briefly, before we get to that, before

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Speaker 1: we get Joe on the line, we need to thank

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Speaker 1: our partners at sick Gear who make this podcast possible

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Speaker 1: and take a minute to share with you our sikest

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Speaker 1: story of the day, and today's story comes from Sick

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Speaker 1: Gears Corey Piersall. Corey kin white tails late in life

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Speaker 1: and at first he thought, compared to chasing big game

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Speaker 1: on the ground on Montana, white till hunting from a

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Speaker 1: tree stand would be pretty boring. That is until he

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Speaker 1: tried it, and so one on a hunt in Illinois,

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Speaker 1: Hartley lodge Um and Matt their head guide there. You know,

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Speaker 1: we had a blast, put me in some great locations

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Speaker 1: and just opened my eyes to the environment, the world

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Speaker 1: of sitting in a tree stand. Every movement makes your

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Speaker 1: heart beat faster. Every sound that you hear, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a squirrel, whether it's a turkey kyote coming in, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, it just makes you excited. Whereas on the

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Speaker 1: ground spotting stalk you don't have that very I mean

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Speaker 1: you have it, you run into it, but not nearly

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Speaker 1: as often as you do when you're sitting in a

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Speaker 1: tree stand and you see everything. I mean, you have

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Speaker 1: three sixty degrees at your fingertips, and so it goes

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Speaker 1: from dead static to just like heartbeat racing, just like that. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and that that absolutely hooked me. Well, Corey, you are

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Speaker 1: not the only one the electric excitement of watching a

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Speaker 1: hunt unfultimate stand. That's something pretty special. And I gotta

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Speaker 1: say I'm pretty darn excited for the first opportunity this

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Speaker 1: fault to experience that it's coming fast and I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: But with all that said, if you'd like to learn

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Speaker 1: and welcome Joe Miles to the podcast. All Right with

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Speaker 1: Us Now on the show is Joe Miles. Welcome to show. Joe. Hey, Mark,

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Speaker 1: how you doing today. I'm doing pretty good, although I

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Speaker 1: don't know you, but it's it's warm and muggy over here. Well,

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Speaker 1: So how did how did that hung go? It went great? Man,

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Speaker 1: be happier. Wow, that's exactly how you want to happen,

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Speaker 1: and that never happens for me, Mark, I'm always the

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. So yeah, so can you can you

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Speaker 1: too about how you got to this point. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I um obviously grew up in South Carolina. UM played

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Speaker 1: that betting area anymore or making him, you know, move

431
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 1: less during daylight. How do you manage to balance that? Yep? Absolutely.

432
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: I like to do it in the middle of the

433
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: day when it's raining, um, you know, and go in

434
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: that way um or you know, depending on where you

435
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: have them set up. If it's on an active farm

436
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: and there's a tractor moving around or trucks in and

437
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: out of there every day, you know, then I just

438
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: copy what the farmers are doing and I go in

439
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: when they go in. I go out when they go out,

440
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: because they're you know, they're used to that. In South Carolina,

441
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy for us to find a bedding area

442
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: because it is the thickest, nastiest, unpenetrable place that you

443
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: can find and guarantee that's the bedding area that the

444
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: deer are gonna be living in there. And you've got

445
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: trails coming out of there. You can see the big

446
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: tracks and you don't have to actually have to penetrate

447
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: the beding area. We just want to know that there's

448
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: a big one living in there. Um And and you know,

449
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: I think even in the Midwest, you know, like you said,

450
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: it's you know, a lot of big agg area and

451
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: then some timber drawls. Well, you mean you can look

452
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: at a map and see, all right, this is a

453
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: thick timber drawl, you know, and then there's agg laying

454
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: all around here. This has got to be a betting area.

455
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: And you can set your camera cameras up on the

456
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: fringe and and then determine that he's betting in there.

457
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: And then I think, you know, as you get a

458
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: better moon, as you get closer to the pre rut,

459
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: the rut, the deer more likely to get up, you know,

460
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: once they've got the velvet off their head and move

461
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: a little bit more in daylight. Yeah, So what does

462
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: that mean then that you hold off on hunting some

463
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: of those spots until a little bit later than the year,

464
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: or are you going in early season hunting in some

465
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: of these areas. As soon as I get a picture

466
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: of a deer now if I can hunt him in

467
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: velvet obviously, or when they're still pattern on beans and

468
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: and and all that sort of stuff, you know, you

469
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: gotta crack then. But I'm really not touching on that.

470
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: What once they're out of velvet. If I get a

471
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 1: daylight picture of a deer, once he's out of velvet,

472
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: and and he's gonna win, that I can hunt, I'm hunting.

473
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: I won't wait. Um, if if I have the right moon,

474
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of the moon. And if I've

475
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: got a deer that I've got a daylight picture of,

476
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: he's out of it, all of it, He's moved in daylight,

477
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: and I get that same win. And I've got a

478
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: red moon, I don't care if it's in in the

479
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: second week of September or you know, in in the October.

480
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: Law I'm gonna hunt him then, because he's he's shown

481
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: that he's killable. So that kind of situation, if you've

482
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: got a deer like that, are you the and let's

483
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: say hypothetically, this is mid October or earlier. You know,

484
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: we're not getting to the rut yet. Are you typically

485
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: gonna try to hunt as close as you can to

486
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: the betting area or do you like to stay off

487
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: hunt the food sources and play it safe at that

488
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: time of year. It all depends on the deer numbers, um.

489
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got a lot of deer that

490
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: are coming out of this bedding area, you've got to

491
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: be cheerful there. So that's not a simple question to

492
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: answer because every situation, every deer will be different. You know,

493
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: is he coming out somewhere on loan? Um? If he is,

494
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: then boy, I've got a I got a real good chance.

495
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: You know. If I'm set up on the field in

496
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: October hoping he's gonna get there before dark, um, you know,

497
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: and I've got twenty other deer in the field, and

498
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: i gotta climb down if he doesn't show up and

499
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: I blow the plot up or whatever it may be.

500
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: So every every deer, every situation is different. And man,

501
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons they're so fun

502
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: to hunt, is that you know, every one of them

503
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: seen seems to be different, and you you really, man,

504
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: you gotta lood and learn, You gotta try stuff and

505
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: and and and just remember and and try and use

506
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: common sense and and look at every deer differently. I

507
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: don't think there's one set way to do it, because again,

508
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: every deer is different, and and uh, every every situation,

509
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: every farm has got different features that will allow you

510
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: to new different things. Yeah, agree to your point. That's

511
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: probably one of the things that makes this so so addicting,

512
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: so much fun is that it's it's always different. You

513
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: always have to be learning. Every year is unique. It's

514
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: a It's one of the greatest challenges in the world

515
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, trying to figure out these

516
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: different deer. Every year. It's new and you you start

517
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: from zero and figure it out. Yeah, that's that's right.

518
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean the beauty is when you have figured it

519
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: out on a farm and another big deer shows up

520
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: in that same area, you're so far ahead of the game.

521
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: And a lot of times that happens. You know, you

522
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: find an area that you can you can get trail

523
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: camers in to find a big deer. He likes it.

524
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: He feels comfortable there. There's something about that spot he liked.

525
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: You kill that deer a lot of times, another big

526
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: one the next year, we'll move in there because it's

527
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: the same stuff that that butt light, and it's set

528
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: up for him. Um, you know, like like the we

529
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, the little twenty nine acre track in Illinois.

530
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: Three years in a row I killed great big bucks

531
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: off of it, and it was it's just twenty nine acres,

532
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: but it was something that was very very little pressure

533
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: in there. It was a big place that fed out

534
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: to a CRP I mean, excuse me, fed out to

535
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: a big um agg area. And those big deer felt

536
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: real safe in there. And I would only go in

537
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: there at the absolute perfect time. And three years in

538
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: a row, I'll killed the one sixty four and three

539
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: back to back to back, and and and it just

540
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: that area was set up perfect to hold a big deer. Now,

541
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: you know places in Kansas or or Ohio than I

542
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: may hunt. You know, I may not be able to

543
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: keep the property um and may change every year. The

544
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: farmer may cut timber on it. He may the crops

545
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: may be rotated again. There's a million things that that

546
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: can happen. When when it's the same and you have

547
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: the the you know, a big deer that you killed

548
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: in there, and the same thing happens the next year,

549
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: you already know you're you're so far ahead of the

550
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: curve that that you ought to be slapped if you

551
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: don't kill him, right and definitely it's definitely a better

552
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: place is and then starting brand new, that's for sure.

553
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: So tell us a little more about this, this small property,

554
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: because there's so many people that hunt small properties. You know,

555
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: most people aren't lucky to have hundreds and hundreds of

556
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: acres and prime states. A lot of guys have got

557
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: twenty acres or forty acres or ten acres behind their

558
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: parents house or whatever it might be. I guess, I

559
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: guess first, I'm curious, what do you think makes a

560
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: good small property, because I think that's at least if

561
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: you're in the process of trying to find a new

562
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: spot and you only have small properties to pick from,

563
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: finding the right small property can make a big difference.

564
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: So I think, I think without a doubt, and they're

565
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: not all created equals um. There's no question that there

566
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: are two things that, in my opinion, make, or really

567
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: really three things that make a small property uh deadly dynamite,

568
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. The first thing is thick, thick,

569
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: thick cover. Um. You know, especially if you're after a

570
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: big deer, that's the first thing to you have to

571
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: go in there and hinge cut or it can get

572
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: permission to do that, or it just happens to be

573
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: CRP or whatever it is. Thick cover is the number

574
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: one thing I look for on a small property to hunt.

575
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: The second thing is I stay out of there, no pressure.

576
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to know about it, don't want

577
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: my friends to know about it, don't want anybody to

578
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: go in there ever, unless it's me and it's for

579
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: a real specific person. See, I think a lot of

580
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. Yeah, they get a small farm,

581
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: and you know it's in their nature. They want to

582
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: go hunt, They want to go out there, they want

583
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: to go walk around on it. They want to walk

584
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: in there and scout and see if there are any

585
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: new rubs. Man four and a a half five and a

586
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: half year old buck is found this little thirty acre

587
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: sanctuary and thinks nobody's gonna be in there bothering him.

588
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: If you go in there, it's over. He is long gone.

589
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: But but but it's it's it's almost like a little trap,

590
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, that that little thing. If you can convince

591
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: him to get in there and that or that's a

592
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: place that he likes to go and feels comfortable, then

593
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: he's really really, really killable. You just have to wait

594
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: until the conditions are perfect and and you know, that's

595
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: the only time that you can kill him, like like

596
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: on the twenty night Acre track in Illinois, those three

597
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: years that I killed those deer. The first one I

598
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: killed on the second day I was in there. The

599
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: second year, I killed on the first day, and the

600
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: third year I killed on the second day. And I

601
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: had to wait. I had to wait, you know, I

602
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: hunted a day and then stayed out of there, and

603
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm away from my family and everything else.

604
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I had to wait four days before I could get

605
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: back in there for a certain win. Um, so it

606
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: takes big time discipline. But the flip side of that

607
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: coin is that most everybody can afford to get a

608
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: small place. You know, you don't have to have thousands

609
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: and thousands of dollars to to to get these huge,

610
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: huge releases. You can if you work hard, you stay

611
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: will cost you much and you may may get just

612
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: permission to hunt in there. Um. So that that's the

613
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: given the take. It can be a deadly trap and

614
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: make it really easy to kill a big deer, but

615
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: you gotta be real smart about it, and you gotta

616
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: work really hard to find it. Yeah. Is this twenty

617
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: nine acres? Do you own that, Joe? Or is that lease?

618
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: I can't remember, I do not. Um, that guy was

619
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Mark Beck is the one that found

620
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: that lease and he let me hunt it for for

621
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: three years, and now he is actually gonna take a

622
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: turn and hunt it some um, which I think is

623
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: absolutely fair. Um. You know, I leased it. I want

624
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: to say I could be wrong here, but I think

625
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: it was seven and fifty bucks a year is what

626
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: it calls to lease it. Um. And that was the

627
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: that was the insurance and the and the payment for it.

628
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, that's you know, it is

629
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: a good bit of money, but it's not near what

630
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: some of these big tracks calls, right. I mean, if

631
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: you pass on buying the new TV or don't go

632
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: out to eat so much. You can say about that

633
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: money in a year and put it towards something like that.

634
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: For I think most people can can do something like that.

635
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: But takes, like you said, hard work and choices, right, Yeah,

636
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: that that's it. And and in in seven fift year,

637
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: that's If that's too much, you're just gonna have to

638
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: work even harder and find one that's a hundred dollars

639
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: or two hundred dollars or that you can just get permission,

640
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, to get into. Those are few and far,

641
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: but between what you can find them, I mean, they

642
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: are out there. You've got a network, and you've gotta

643
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: get with these people and and um, you know, make

644
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: it happen. You just can't say, Man, I just don't

645
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: have anywhere to hunt. If you really are passionate about

646
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: killing a big deer, if you man, it's just like

647
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 1: anything else. The harder you work at it, the more

648
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: successful you're gonna be. Yeah. I read somewhere that you're

649
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: pretty serious, or maybe at least you were in the past. Um,

650
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: and this article I've read pretty serious about how you

651
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: go about trying to get permission on the properties that

652
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: you that you really want to hunt. Can you talk

653
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: to us a little bit about how you have gone about,

654
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, finding places to hunt and getting that permission

655
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: or you know, access via lease or whatever might be. Yeah,

656
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think the whole the whole thing is

657
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: to be genuine, um, you know, and and really friend

658
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: these people. UM. I think that's the that that's been

659
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: the key to my success in finding properties. Is you know,

660
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: like Mark, for instance, you know back in Illinois. UM.

661
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: You know, I met him through a mutual guy. He

662
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: happens to be in the real estate business. UM. He

663
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: had access to a lot of farms. He and I

664
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: literally became buddies because we lived how many states apart.

665
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm in South Carolina, he's in Illinois, UM. And and

666
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, our relationship grew as buddies even though it

667
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: was far away. He would come down and our families

668
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: would go to the beach together. He'd stay with me

669
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: during the summer. I would go out and hunt with him,

670
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: and you know, our wives became friends. And it's a

671
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: genuine relationship. The worst thing you can do is go

672
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: in and try and use somebody to get a get

673
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: a spot just to hunt. You know, you you don't

674
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: talk with him in the in the off season, you

675
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: don't stay in touch. Um, you know that that's not

676
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: gonna you know, they're they're gonna turn over to somebody

677
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: else or they're gonna see right through that. So I

678
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: think being being genuine is the is the main thing.

679
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, let them know what you're after. But then

680
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: you know, if they're in in in the Nascar, man,

681
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: get them some NASCAR tickets. If they're you know, if

682
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: you live in the South and they like seafood, send

683
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: them some shrump. You know, really make an effort to

684
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: be friends with them, and that's gonna go a long way,

685
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: um getting in acquiring you know, the different type properties.

686
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, also real estate agents. Man. You know,

687
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: if if I'm in South Carolina and I wanted somewhere

688
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: to start, I'd do some research on where where big

689
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: deer were killed in Illinois, which counties. I'd call some

690
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: relators that maybe have some farms and stuff for sale

691
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: and ask them, you know, if if there are any

692
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: small farms or rural areas that allow hunting or or

693
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: dilapidated developments. You know, and I keep going back to

694
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: that over and over again, but man, that that's a

695
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: that's a great spot, you know, abandoned golf courses. Man,

696
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: you find something like that, that that that that's still got

697
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: some grass growing there, Man, that that can be something too. Um,

698
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: you just gotta think outside the box from what every

699
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: other guy is doing. Yeah, that's one of the one

700
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: of the topics that we get so many questions about. Is.

701
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: I think access is is definitely just one of those

702
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: issues that so many people deal with. It's tough to

703
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: find somewhere hunt if you're not you know, boring into

704
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: a family that has a bunch of land. Um, that's

705
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: it's a big challenge. Do you have any typical way

706
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: you go about actually going through the process of actually

707
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: asking I get this question a lot, you know, what

708
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: do you actually say? And I've got kind of you know,

709
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: I do a lot of door knocking here in Michigan

710
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: and other Midwest states, and I kind of have a

711
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, just a general routine. Now. I go

712
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: through in each place to kind of, you know, introduce

713
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: myself and chit chat and you know, explain what I'm

714
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: trying to do. But I'm always curious to hear how

715
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: other people go about it. How do you do that? Yeah?

716
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: For for me. You know, funny um being in South Carolina.

717
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: If let's let's say that I'm going to um, Illinois

718
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: for the first time to try and find a spot

719
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: to hunt. You know, that's what I want to do. Man,

720
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: being in South Carolina, the Illinois folks looking at us

721
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: as a whole, as being backwoods and you know, rednecks

722
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to say, um, And I would

723
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: get him. I would get in my truck and drive

724
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: out there in the summer and go to different little

725
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: diners where the farmers hang out, and I would start

726
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: talking to him. I say, hey, man, I have from

727
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: South Carolina, um, looking for a place to hunt out here.

728
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: You guys got any leaves they find that? In my case,

729
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: they have found it really funny that I've come all

730
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: the way from South Carolina to find a place to

731
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: shoot a stupid deer and they are so apt, so

732
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: apt to help me. I'm not a local guy that

733
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: you know. The families may have had huge or this

734
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: person doesn't like this person. Hey, this guy from South Carolina.

735
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: You know he's he's serious. He's come all the way

736
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: out of here. I want to help the guy out,

737
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: So I don't say I played a pull fruitiful redneck.

738
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: But but but I sure let it be known that

739
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm in South Carolina and I've come a long way

740
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: and I sure could use some help. Um and and

741
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: that that tact it really works. I believe it. It

742
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: is amazing how just one of the things that I

743
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: found helps the most is, you know, even if you

744
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: know I go up to a door and I knock

745
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: on that door and this person says no for whatever reason,

746
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: to your point, just continuing a conversation and asking for

747
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: their help. You know, you happen to know anyone else

748
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I should talk to you. It's amazing how many times

749
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: that ends up being the way you find something that

750
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: actually gets you access. It's just talking to people and

751
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: asking for help and what it may not be on

752
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: their property, but lots of times they can point you

753
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: in the right direction, share with you a friend of

754
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: a friend of a friend, and who knows what they'll

755
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: take you? Absolutely, I mean you just you, you just

756
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: can't take no. You gotta keep keep pursuing it and

757
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: and and come up with was something that work. So

758
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: if it works with a couple of guys, you know,

759
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: keep trying the same thing. I mean that that you.

760
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the bottom line is you gotta find somewhere

761
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: to hunt, so you gotta keep working at it. That's

762
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: the truth. That's the truth. Now back to the small

763
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: property thing you talked about. A big key to how

764
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: you hunt those and how you have success on a

765
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: small property like that is waiting for the right conditions.

766
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate in more detail on exactly what you're

767
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: paying attention to? I know you mentioned moon. Would love

768
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: to hear more about specifically what you're paying attention to

769
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: the Moon and than any other conditions, whether time of

770
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: year when I'd love to hear about the details and

771
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: all that. Yep, I'll go through, um, you know, some

772
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: some actual kills. Um. You know there there are a

773
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: lot of theories and and ideas, but but I guess

774
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: it's it's sorry with you. I'll just related to those

775
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: three bucks on that little small property that person goes

776
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: through exactly exactly how I killed them. Yeah. First of all, um,

777
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: the first here we called big lefty. Um it's a

778
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: non tipical on his left side, and he was a

779
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: uh you know, mainframe five point on his right side.

780
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: But anyway, UM got trail camera pictures in him early

781
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: after he was out of velvet and a couple of

782
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: them in daylight. And this was in September October because

783
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: it was the beginning of football season, because Mark texts

784
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: me the pictures and I was at a football game,

785
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: so I know it was the beginning of September October

786
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: when he um when he sent me the pictures, so

787
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: we knew there was a big deer in there. He

788
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: was out of velvet, and he was not afraid to

789
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: show himself in daylight, so I knew. I knew all

790
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: that stuff. Then he started, you know, becoming a little

791
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: more nocturnal. The pictures we got were a little more nocturnal,

792
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: a little more nocturnal, and then all of a sudden,

793
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: he shows up again mid October. He shows up again daylight,

794
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: and it's on a red moon, one of our overhead

795
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: moons that the moon Guide shows. And I saw the

796
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: wind that he was on because I had a win

797
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: log for that property. Every day I would log the

798
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: win for for that part of Illinois around that around

799
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: that farm. UM. So here I know two things. I

800
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: know that he is cooperating with the moon Guide, and

801
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: I know that he's not afraid to move on this wind.

802
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: It just so happened that I already had a stand

803
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: hung perfect before that win. I needed a north east wind.

804
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: He was really comfortable moving on that, and I needed

805
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: a red moon. So I waited until the next red

806
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: moon cycle was coming around, and I got into my

807
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: truck and I drove Illinois. Now, granted, nobody has been

808
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: into this property at all other than to prove these

809
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: camera cards, and that was done during rain. Or it

810
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: happens to be a hiking trail that comes through this

811
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: property that some people use, and the deer are a

812
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: little more customed accustomed to people going in and out

813
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: of there, so that's even an added bonus of this property.

814
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: So pulled the card that that was the only time

815
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: anybody had been in there. There's been no shooting, lanes cut, nothing,

816
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: The stands had been hung the year before, so there

817
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: had been nothing in there. So I went in there

818
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: as soon as we got a northeast wind and a

819
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: red moon, and I went in and I took actual

820
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: replacement straps with me for that afternoon and replaced the

821
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: straps on the climbing uh sticks and the stands as

822
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: I climbed up, and I had plenty of shooting lanes.

823
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: And the day I killed him was the exact day

824
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: that he had shown that he likes to move, and

825
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: nobody had been I hadn't hunted in there, nobody had

826
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: hunted in there, And it just worked out absolutely perfect,

827
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: going with what he the cards that he was showing.

828
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: He showed that he'd moved in daylight on the north

829
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: east wind, and he showed that he moved on a

830
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: red moon, and I just once I learned that when

831
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: that cycle repeated itself, I moved back in there. It

832
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: also helped that it was towards the end of October,

833
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: which they're a little more anty than to get on

834
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: their feet anyway. UM, So that that's what I look for.

835
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you can I don't know a tremendous amount

836
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: about the barometer and the barometric pressure and all that stuff.

837
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: I know, Mark Durry is a big proponent of that.

838
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: I do know that they tend to move, or my experience,

839
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: and this is completely antecidotal, My experience has been on

840
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: a high pressure afternoon. Um, the bigger deer tend to

841
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: get on their feet. I don't I don't think I've

842
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: ever killed a really big mature buck, you know, in

843
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: an afternoon on a low pressure day. It's always been

844
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: on a high pressure day. And it seems like I

845
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: see more deer on high pressure days and I do

846
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: on really low pressure days. Yeah, it seems to be

847
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: a consistent thing that we hear from so many people

848
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: to those high pressure days rising and high high high barometer.

849
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty money. Can you can you elaborate on

850
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: the red moon? We talked with Adam Hayes about this

851
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: last fall a little bit, um. But you know, we

852
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: get so many questions still to this day, what exactly

853
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: whether you've got the moon guide or you're looking at

854
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: this and you just know when the moon rise or

855
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: said or overhead underfoot is. Can you just explain again

856
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: what this is, how it works, and why you pay

857
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: attention to it. Yeah, I mean I know, man, I

858
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: I listened to your podcast and I'll hop up on

859
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: a sup box for just just a second. And I've

860
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: heard the the q q d M A biologists um

861
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: talk about their study showing the moon doesn't have an

862
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: effect on deer and weather. It doesn't have an effect

863
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: on deer. I'm gonna I'm gonna argue that, man Auburn.

864
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, I've read studies from Auburn done by UM

865
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: Louisiana State University, Auburn, University of South Carolina d n R.

866
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: They radio collar dear, and this is recent, this just happened.

867
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: And and um, there is roots in their study that

868
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: the moon absolutely has an effect on on deer movement. Um.

869
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: You know the radio colors, some of them last three months,

870
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: some of them last six months. UM, some of them

871
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: last lot less than that. Um. And and you know,

872
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't hear there's any effect. I mean, it's just

873
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: it's natural. The moon is a natural phenomenon that that

874
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: that happens, That affects tides, you know, it affects a

875
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: lot of things. And in all of my experience, even

876
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: when I worked in Africa, I had and an old

877
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: tracker that would come get us early when that moon

878
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: was overhead. During the afternoons, he come get us. In

879
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: those days we killed more than we ever and we

880
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: saw more on those afternoons. And that that was absolutely

881
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: He was an old guy that had hunted his whole

882
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: life in Africa, and and and he figured that out.

883
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: So I don't you know, I would I would argue

884
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: that the that the moon definitely has an effect on

885
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: the white tailed deer movement from a sun scientific point

886
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: of view, where there are studies that show that it

887
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: does have an effect, and from an experience in the field. Um,

888
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: and then you know, I'm going to skip over the

889
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: weather for a second because I heard that biologists from

890
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: q d m A say that weather didn't have any

891
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: effect on deer. Now, Mart, was he talking about any

892
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: effect on deer throughout the year or only during the root.

893
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm a little fuzzy there, you know, I honestly don't

894
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: remember the specifics of the study that he mentioned. But

895
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: to to his point, one of the things he did

896
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: say is anecdotally, he and so many other huns have

897
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: seen the same thing as you and me, and that

898
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: whether mooning, these things definitely do seem to But there's

899
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: gonna be something with these studies that for some reason,

900
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: maybe it is the time of year like you just mentioned,

901
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: or how they're measuring increased or decreased movement, that just

902
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: because I think almost all of us have seen some

903
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: of these things, you know, noticeably correlated with increased day

904
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: daylight movement, it's hard not to me that some of

905
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: those things have some type of effect. But uh, it's

906
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: got to come down to the particulars of how these

907
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: studies are done and what specifically they're looking to prove

908
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: or disprove. Maybe that's kind of what I think. Yeah,

909
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: it could be. I mean I was laughing with Adam

910
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: the other day. What we all to do is say,

911
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: all right, we'll take We'll pick two um G M

912
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: A biologists and Adam and I and we'll get a

913
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: thousand acres and we'll hunt it with the moon and

914
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: the right weather, and let them hunt it when the

915
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: moon is wrong and the weather is horrible, and see

916
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: who's more successful. We ought to pool, we ought to sit,

917
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: we ought to suit that challenge up. I don't think anyone.

918
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would want to take those odds. No,

919
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't either, so um but yeah, anyway, I'm not

920
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: beating up on on on anybody too much. I'm just

921
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: I've just seen too much, spent too much time in

922
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: the woods and just seeing the moon affect dear um.

923
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: And it really is. It hasn't been my experience at

924
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: the phase of the man moon or or you know,

925
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: the fullness or the half moon or whatever that in

926
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: my experience that has not had a tremendous effect. It

927
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: is the position of the moon. Um. You know, when

928
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: you get that moon overhead the right time of year,

929
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: the right time of day, that that that's the red moon,

930
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: and and those are the days that that typically a

931
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: a bigger mature deer and and dear in general are

932
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: gonna get up on their feet and want to feed. Um.

933
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: You know that it's a timing thing, but it's the

934
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: position and the gravitational pool that with that overhead moon

935
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: and that underfoot moon that that makes them want to

936
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: get up more often then than other times during the day. Ima,

937
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: sweet dear creatures of the gray they're they're they're moving

938
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: in the mornings, they're moving in the evenings. But when

939
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: you throw in their good weather and you're throw in

940
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: there and overhead moon, man, it just and that's all

941
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: you need is one little small bump in your favor

942
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: and you get it done right. Because because we're talking

943
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: can about in most cases right you you're looking for

944
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: when that moontime correlates with the last hour of daylight

945
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: or so, or the first hour of daylight in the morning,

946
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, combining gray light with this

947
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: increased influence of the moon. That's what might just get

948
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: them out five minutes early, right that, that's exactly right.

949
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: And the and the Deer Hunter's Moons Guide has done that.

950
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: You know, they put that thing together in the nineties

951
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: and it maps that out. And not only that, if

952
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: you if you can't hunt that day, you know you

953
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: you can't absolutely can't hunt that red moon day. You've

954
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: got to go another day. That Moon Guide will tell you,

955
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, whether you need to hunt, betting, transition or

956
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: feed based on the moon's positions. Pull that particular day

957
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: you can hunt. And again, you're you're gonna stack the

958
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: deck a little bit in your favor by by looking

959
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: at that um, you know, because it times the deer

960
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: when they're gonna be where. And uh, that's a that's

961
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: an inexpensive tool man, the ninth twenty bucks whatever they are,

962
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: but my goodness, the amount of money to spend on

963
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: other trail cameras and leases and roads and everything else.

964
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this can actually that that tool can actually

965
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: help you determine when that deer is gonna move and

966
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: you can have the best stuff in the world if

967
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: if if your timing is all it's going to be

968
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: for not you know, I mean, it's just not it's yeah, yeah.

969
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: If there's been anything that I've learned, um, you know,

970
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: in my kind of evolution as a hunter over the

971
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: last you know, fifteen twenty years, and especially the last

972
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: few years now that I've been running the podcast and

973
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: getting to talk to so many successful hunters, there's nothing

974
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: more important, almost nothing more important than proper timing, because

975
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: that's that's directly connected to keeping pressure low, which is

976
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: maybe the most important thing if you're trying to kill

977
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: a big, mature deer. So getting that timing right is

978
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: so crucial, and so I pay, just like it sounds

979
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 1: like you too, pay obsessive attention to all these different

980
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: conditions that might just give me that one percent greater

981
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: chance of the big boy walking through today being out

982
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: there during daylight. And if you line up a couple

983
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: of those along with doing all of your other homework,

984
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've got a timber cent chance

985
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: better that you might be able to get a shot

986
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: on that day. And that those little things make all

987
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: the difference in the world as far as I'm concerned. No, No,

988
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: you couldn't have said it any better there, and especially

989
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: for a guy, you know, like myself and other guys

990
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: from from the southeast to travel to the Midwest. Man,

991
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: we are limited on time. If we know that the

992
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: moon is going to be great the last week in October,

993
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: you know we we need to plan our vacation for

994
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: that last week in October. If this is gonna be

995
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: the first week in November, you know, we needed to

996
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: consult that moon and help it plan when we're gonna

997
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: be there. The weather can change and all that. It's

998
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: hard to predict that that for an advance. But yeah,

999
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: every little teeny thing you can do to stack gods

1000
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: in your favor, you owe it to yourself for all

1001
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: the work you're doing to do that. Yeah, Now, would

1002
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: you agree that weather still trumps the moon. So if

1003
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: you have a huge warm front pushed through and its

1004
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: seventy degrees on November one, even if it's a red

1005
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: moon day, that's gonna hurt you versus you know, without it, Yes,

1006
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: without a doubt, I would go in this order. I

1007
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: would say pressure is your number one thing. If you've

1008
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: got a highly pressured hunting area. Um, I'd rather have

1009
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: five acres to myself than two thousand acres with twenty

1010
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: other hunters. I mean pressure is number one. Number two

1011
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: is weather without a doubt. Um, you know, like we

1012
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: touched on high pressure cold fronts, you know, it being

1013
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: cold in general. Um, and and then and then the

1014
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: moon would be third. Those are the three, you know,

1015
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: in that order of in my opinion, the importance of,

1016
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: you know of of deer hunting a particular place. All right,

1017
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: So real quick, before we move on to our next

1018
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,799
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1025
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,759
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1026
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Speaker 1: So with deer Lab, once I've uploaded my photos, the

1027
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,640
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1028
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: and then automatically pulls in, you know, all the weather

1029
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: factors that were present at that time. Things we've just

1030
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: been talking about, like bare better pressure, moon, temperature, all

1031
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So then when I go back

1032
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: and look at these individual pictures, especially those daylight pictures,

1033
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: I can try and see what conditions were present at

1034
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: that time the might have influenced that movement. Even better, though,

1035
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1036
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,880
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1037
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: For example, once I got all these photos upload, I

1038
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: took a look at which camera that this buck showed

1039
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: the most of them, and I found that that was

1040
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: my front food plot camera. Next, I looked at the

1041
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: wind report for that camera, and when I did this,

1042
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: I had a really eye opening experience. The report showed

1043
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: me that almost every time holy Field showed up on

1044
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: this plot, including eight different times during daylight, it was

1045
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: with a south or southwest wind, like almost that was

1046
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: the only win direction he was showing up on. And

1047
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: this is a massive realization for me because up to

1048
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: that point, up to this point, really I would never

1049
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: hunt this area with those winds if I hadn't seen

1050
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: this report this information kind of visualize this way, that's

1051
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: what I would have continue to do. I keep hunting

1052
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: the north and northeast winds, and I would have never

1053
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: seen him during daylight. So now that I've seen this trend,

1054
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: I've realized I need to figure out a way how

1055
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: to hunt there on the southerly winds. So now I've

1056
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: got a plan in place for how to do that.

1057
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move a ground blind him and I think

1058
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna work out. But this really massive major lesson learned.

1059
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,160
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Speaker 1: lab dot com slash W to h to get this

1068
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: extended free trial and learn a few new things from

1069
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: your trail camera photos. It's free, it's easy, and honestly

1070
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: it's very eye opening. So with that said, check it out,

1071
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: and now let's get back to our next question for Joe.

1072
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: Very much related to this topic you mentioned earlier. When

1073
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: you're when you're looking at trail camera pictures to pay

1074
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 1: attention to things like the wind direction. And I think

1075
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, this is something I've been talking about a

1076
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: lot of the past few episodes. It's just the importance

1077
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: of of always asking why. So, like if you get

1078
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 1: a trail camera picture during daylight or you see Mr

1079
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Big during daylight, ask why look at all these specific things.

1080
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 1: Was the barometer high, was at the right moon time?

1081
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: Was it because of a cold front? Was it the

1082
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: wind direction? And figure out what correlated with this sighting

1083
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: so that you can do exactly what you did with

1084
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: that buck. You looked at what the two factors where

1085
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: he did last time he was in daylight, waited for

1086
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: it to happen again. Boom, you went in there. He

1087
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: acted the same way. I think that's that is such

1088
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: a key thing when you're trying to target these older deer. Yeah. Well,

1089
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: and another thing, I mean, that's exactly right, look at

1090
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: the picture and asked why. But but even more something

1091
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: that did. Did the farmer just cut the corn? Did

1092
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: the farmer just um artist is sewing? You know? Did

1093
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: they just cut some timber next door? You know, look

1094
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: at everything that could effect the deer. Um you know, bam,

1095
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: he just showed up. Maybe he just got kicked from

1096
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: somewhere else? Did did did you hear about a buddy

1097
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: going in and walk in his place or something? Every

1098
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: every little thing, did anything? Any intel you can gather

1099
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: is gonna make you more successful? Yeah? So true. Can

1100
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: you tell us about that next buck? You you told

1101
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: us about the first year? What about the second year?

1102
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: What was the specific situation there that you were able

1103
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: to capitalize on the same type stuff um that year.

1104
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: I do not think that we got any um trail

1105
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: camp intel um of that deer other than nocturnal pictures.

1106
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: We didn't get any daylight pictures of him. And I

1107
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: waited until the very end of October to go to Illinois,

1108
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: and I think I killed him on the fourth of November,

1109
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, before the rut got going. And I waited

1110
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: again until I had a northeast wind because I knew

1111
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: it had worked for that other buck, and I waited

1112
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: for that red moon and that deer. I've got all

1113
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: three of these deer on video, by the way. Um

1114
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: that deer was actually betted in the CRP, and I

1115
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: actually saw him stand up at four thirty out of

1116
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: his bed and can I ended up actually snort wheezing

1117
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: him in Um. But uh I I saw him stand

1118
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: up out of his bed at four thirty in the

1119
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: afternoon in six and five and a half year old

1120
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: deer in early November. Um and and it was only

1121
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: a red moon afternoon with a high pressure. It was

1122
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: high pressure that day. Um. It was cool and it

1123
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 1: was getting colder, a little cold front was coming in

1124
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: and we had a redden moon that afternoon and he

1125
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: got up and a snort. Ways can ride over to

1126
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: me and shot him? Wow. So so these these are

1127
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: both examples. Were you traveling South Carolina Illinois? And for

1128
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: what I've seen, you know you do a little bit

1129
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: more hunting around the Midwest in addition to that spot

1130
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: in Illinois. Two. And there's a lot of people I

1131
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: think that have this type of situation where they they've

1132
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: got their rut vacation week or whatever it might be

1133
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: that they've blocked off, and they're gonna travel across the

1134
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: country or whatever it might be to their spot for

1135
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: the rut and they've got seven days or five days

1136
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: or ten days. Can you share this a little bit

1137
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: about what you've found to be the keys to pulling

1138
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: off that kind of traveling hunt. You know, you've got

1139
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: a short amount of time, relatively new place from home. Yeah,

1140
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: I you know, as a as a bow hunter, and

1141
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: the experience that that that I've gotten. Um, you know,

1142
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: the the rut can be tough for a bow hunter.

1143
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: When they're running and and and you know, you know,

1144
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: they're they're under you one second, they're running past you

1145
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: another They're all over the place. You see a lot

1146
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: of deer and it's exciting. But I haven't killed a

1147
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: lot of big deer in the prime of the rut,

1148
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: I think, big deer wise, the latest I've ever killed

1149
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: a really big deer was like the tenth of November,

1150
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: maybe the eleventh, you know, before the real break loose

1151
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: face start. Most of my success has come from the

1152
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: end of October to the first week in November, that

1153
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: pre rut time. So I look at that as the

1154
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: time to be there. And then if I want to

1155
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: tweak it a little more, then I consult you know,

1156
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: a moon guide and see when that red moon is

1157
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: gonna fall during that time, and then bam, that's what

1158
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: I'll set my schedule to go and and I can

1159
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: do that, you know, I can do that. Get in April,

1160
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, I can look at a at a moon

1161
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: guy Shart in April and and determine when that red

1162
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: moon is gonna be in October, first of November, and

1163
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: I can set my travel time for for them. How

1164
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: do you how do you plan? How do you plan

1165
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: a hunt? You know, I don't know this this this

1166
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: obviously is variable depending on the situation every year. But

1167
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: let's say you've got seven days to go hunt this place,

1168
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: and maybe it's new. Let's say, you know, like we're

1169
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Yeah, you showed up, you met some

1170
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: farmer in the middle of summer. They end up giving

1171
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: you permission. You get to walk it really fast, maybe

1172
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: when you're there in July. But now you're back in

1173
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: late October, early November. You got your seven days. If

1174
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: that was you, do you dive right into the core

1175
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: or do you hang on the outside and hang trail

1176
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: cameras and work your way in? Or how do you

1177
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: approach that with you know that five seven day time frame. Well,

1178
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, everybody hunts a little different. Um now, we

1179
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: can cheat a whole lot because we have those text cameras.

1180
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: So if you put those you know, you put those cameras,

1181
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: those Cobert or you know, Reconnix. A lot of people

1182
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: make the the the cameras that will text or email

1183
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: you the pictures, so we we can cheat. If we're

1184
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: out there in July, we meet the farmer, he let's

1185
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: justus hang some cameras. We don't know what's going on

1186
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: and what we need to do. But let's say you

1187
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: didn't have let's say you you know you didn't have that,

1188
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: you didn't have a text camera. Um, the farmer did

1189
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: let you hang some cameras. So you're gonna have to

1190
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: plan your seven days. You look at the moon guide.

1191
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: You're going out there in in into October, first week

1192
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: in November. Those are gonna be your seven days. Obviously

1193
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: I get there, Um, I will pull those cards. I mean,

1194
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: even if I have to go into the area, I've

1195
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: got to know, you know, I've got to know what's

1196
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: in there, and I will I will get those cards.

1197
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: You know, if the farmer and I've really hit them off,

1198
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: and I can get him to go in there on

1199
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: rainy day and pull the cards out, or I got

1200
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: a buddy that can do it, pull the cards and

1201
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: mail them to me, or or you know, just email

1202
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: me the pictures of a good deer um. You know

1203
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: you will again. You want as much intel as you

1204
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: can get. But let's say you can't do that. You

1205
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: can't do any of that. You don't even have trail camp.

1206
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: So a lesson I learned from an old hunter, Miles Keller.

1207
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: As you hunt from the outside in, you know you've

1208
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: got seven days to hunt. Man, don't don't bust right

1209
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: in there. If you don't know exactly where that deer's bedding,

1210
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: you don't know exactly what trails he's using. Man started

1211
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: out on the edges and hunt into him. I made

1212
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: a huge mistake in Canada one year. Um there were

1213
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: two stands hung um between this bed area and food

1214
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: and and and food source. One was kind of an

1215
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: observation stand and one was, you know, kind of the

1216
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: kill stand. And I was debating back and forth what

1217
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: to do, what to do because I didn't have trail cameras,

1218
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know where, when, where, how the deer were coming.

1219
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, you know what, I'm gonna

1220
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: go into the to the kill tree. And I went

1221
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: in there and darned if the deer didn't come through

1222
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: down window me. And it was a big hundred and

1223
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: sixty ins chocolate rack Buck, and I blew it. And

1224
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: I had I set up in that observation stand, I

1225
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: would have seen him do that, and there were This

1226
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: was early so they were still doing the same things

1227
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: every day, and then I could have adjusted that that

1228
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: observation standing, brought it in six yards and I have

1229
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: killed him the next afternoon. Um. But I blew it,

1230
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: um because I didn't hunt the outside in so in

1231
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: simplifying that hunting somewhere where you you don't expect you're

1232
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: gonna kill and you don't expect you're gonna disturb anything,

1233
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: but you can see what's going on and tweak your

1234
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: set up from there. Do you do any actual on

1235
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: the ground scouting, like I mean, other than just observing

1236
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: like you just mentioned. Do you actually go and look

1237
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: for sign or is that something you're not as focused on?

1238
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: I will do that. Um. Again, Every property is different,

1239
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: Every property can take different levels of stress. Um. It

1240
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: depends on the property. You know, if I like to

1241
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 1: hunt the outside in as much as I can where

1242
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: I can see, um, But then if it's dead, you know,

1243
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: and I've got limited the amount of time, eventually you

1244
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: got to blow that property up. You know, you you

1245
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: you've got to get down into the nitty gritty. Um.

1246
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: But I want to do that delayed as much as

1247
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: I can. And if I don't have that trail cam information,

1248
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's obviously key. But again I'm I'm I'm

1249
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: talking from a point that we don't We're saying we

1250
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: don't have trail capra intel um. Then what I would do.

1251
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: I would hunt the outside in. If I see something

1252
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: that that I can move on, then I would obviously

1253
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: move on it. And if that's not working, then yeah,

1254
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get down and you're gonna have

1255
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: to do some walking. And in that case, I would

1256
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: do the old hanging hunt technique, you know. I I

1257
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: would get along the wolf and some sticks, and I

1258
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: would get down and I dive into the meat of it.

1259
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: But by golly, I wouldn't be as soon as I

1260
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: found it. I'd set my stand up and hunt right then,

1261
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: and I'd be right back there the next morning. Um.

1262
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: I'd hunt morning afternoon. And if you don't get it done,

1263
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: break it down, move to your next spot, you know,

1264
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: on that hot precious sign, set everything back up and

1265
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: and and get after again. But I think it's important

1266
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: that that people understand that when you do that, when

1267
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: you want to do the hanging hunt, you need to

1268
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: set it out, hunt that afternoon, and then ho a

1269
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: lot of times will leave all my stuff in the

1270
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: tree and go back and hunt it the next morning,

1271
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: because what you don't want to have happened is you

1272
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: go there and hunt, hang it. You don't hunt that afternoon.

1273
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: That deer comes by there smells where you've been, and

1274
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: it's over and you never even knew he was there.

1275
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: So hunted, hunt that afternoon, hunt it the next morning,

1276
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: and then if if it's dead and and and you've

1277
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: got another area you can go and look and hang

1278
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: and hunt again, then move out and do it again,

1279
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: because you're you know, like you said, it's a limited

1280
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: time and you've got to you've gotta you gotta get

1281
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: it done. And if it's not happening that way, you

1282
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: you've got to kind of force it and eventually you're

1283
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: gonna blow it up. You're either gonna kill him or

1284
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna blow him out of there, and you know,

1285
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: hopefully you'll learn something right and at least you can

1286
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: see you try. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's exactly your right.

1287
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: What a specific sign do you look at as like

1288
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: hot that Yes, this is something I would hang, you know,

1289
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: hanging hunt over you know. Are you a guy that

1290
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: really like scrapes or's rubs or what matters? What is

1291
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: the sign that matters to you? Again, I'm ord of

1292
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: a terrain guy. Um, obviously I looked for all that.

1293
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: I think a ton of that sign is done at night. Um.

1294
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: But but if if if, if I'm creeping down the

1295
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: property I don't know anything about, and and all of

1296
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm I'm getting to the edge of a

1297
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: big thicket and there's some rubs and scrapes coming out

1298
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: of there that are you know, extremely fresh. Yeah, man,

1299
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: I'll I'll throw up right there and set up the

1300
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: staying hunt that afternoon hunt in the next morning. Um.

1301
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: And I'm more of a train guy. I feel like

1302
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: the in that situation, the closer you can get to

1303
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: the to the thicket where they're coming out of the

1304
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: bedding area, but the better off you're gonna be. Um.

1305
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: And and so I look, I love big scrapes, I

1306
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: love a big robs all that's wonderful. But but I

1307
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: still want to have the terrain right, and I want

1308
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: to have that thicket to be able to hunt, because

1309
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: if those scrapes and rubs are there and there's a

1310
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: giant bedding area, more than likely he's gonna be in there.

1311
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: And a lot of the scraps, you know, they're done

1312
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: at night and without Again, people call it cheating or

1313
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: whatever they want to call it. I call it using

1314
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: the tools that we've got. Trail cameras can eliminate so

1315
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: much of that. So I can't put enough stress on

1316
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: using trail cameras to do your scouting for you or

1317
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 1: a lot of it for you. Yeah, So let's say

1318
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: you did have cameras in this kind of situation while

1319
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: you're there, how would you you know, late October early November,

1320
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: are you putting these on scrapes? You put them on funnels?

1321
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: Are you moving them every couple of days? How would

1322
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: you go about actually using cameras in that deal? I

1323
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: have I have screwed up there too, moving cameras and

1324
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: and and trying to position them in season when I'm hunting,

1325
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: and and having deer come by and smell them and

1326
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: and run the The Team two hundred show that aired

1327
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: last night was um I think it will air again

1328
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: later this week was of my Kansas kill in this

1329
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: this past November. And you watch this buck come up

1330
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: out of this bottom of the dough and I've been

1331
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: in and checked that covert camera that earlier that day,

1332
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: and he smells it and cranes his neck around and

1333
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: looks at that camera and he about blows out of there,

1334
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: but he's with a hot dough, um, and and and

1335
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: he ended up staying with her and I was able

1336
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: to kill him. But that that's man. I want those

1337
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: cameras in areas I think the deer are gonna be traveling, um.

1338
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: And you know if you if you show up that

1339
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: that's every again. Everything is so different. To to put

1340
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: that into a cookie cutter equation is difficult because I

1341
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: can't say there aren't times that I moved to camera

1342
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: from from a trail or a funnel area on top

1343
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: of a big fresh scrape, because I want to know

1344
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: what deer that was. Maybe you do it at night,

1345
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: but I know there's a booner in there now, and

1346
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully the camera didn't booger him up, and

1347
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna concentrate on that area a little more so

1348
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: you know I've I've done that. But but theoretically or

1349
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: or practically, Um, you know, if you can put the

1350
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: cameras in there earlier and leave them and not move

1351
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: them around, the deal will get used to them. Um.

1352
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, I try and hide my camera some or

1353
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: hang them a little higher than normal. Um because you know,

1354
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: bigger deer like you well know man when you mess

1355
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: with their bedroom and they can pick it out and

1356
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 1: they can find those cameras. Um. So yeah, again, every

1357
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: situation is different. But hopefully when you were there in

1358
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: July getting things set up, you put the cameras out

1359
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: and if you can't get the farmer to go in

1360
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: and pull the cards for you on rainy day and

1361
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: you gotta wait till you get there, or you just

1362
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: gotta go in and check them. You gotta know what's there.

1363
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: So you go in as sent free as you possibly can,

1364
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: pull the cards, replace the card with another card, get

1365
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: out of there, do your inventory and then see what

1366
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: you got and then you can you can adjust from there.

1367
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 1: How often would you check those cameras during the season,

1368
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: Is that like just once the beginning or would you

1369
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: every several days? You know? Again, and I hate to

1370
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: not answer things and emphatically, but but if it just

1371
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: depends on what's going on, if it's if it's if

1372
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: it's dead, and I will check my cameras more often.

1373
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: You know, again, I've got limited time. I can be there.

1374
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: If I've got a giant bood and Crockett boom and

1375
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: Crockett in there that showed up in in one time

1376
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: in daylight in the last two weeks, Buddy, I ain't

1377
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: gonna wait until time is perfect. I'm getting my butt

1378
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: out of there, and I'm gonna go back in there

1379
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: when when, when the time is it's perfect to kill him. Um.

1380
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: And now if I don't kill him, you know it,

1381
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: within a couple of days, then I might check the

1382
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: cameras again, and you know what, I might move them

1383
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: around again, because I've got limited amount of time. You know.

1384
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: With these guys that own these giant farms and Iowa

1385
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: and Illinois and live on them, you know that they

1386
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: can be a little more patient. But for a traveling huner, um,

1387
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be a little more aggressive, and

1388
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do things a little more untraditional.

1389
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean to say, and that does

1390
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: break the rules, you know, to get in there and

1391
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: and tromp up the place. And move a camera to

1392
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 1: another area. Um, you know that that that does. But

1393
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: if but if it's dead for you and you're not

1394
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: getting you're not seeing anything, nothing's happening you, you can't

1395
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: just sit there and and and hope. You gotta sometimes

1396
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: make it at Yeah, that's tough. You gotta know when

1397
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: to swing for the fences and when to hold back

1398
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: and wait and and making that decision is definitely one

1399
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: of the toughest in that type of situation, no no

1400
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: question about it. And and and again that that's why

1401
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm so done fun. And you're gonna make a mistake,

1402
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you can't. You can't beat yourself up.

1403
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean I did that there in in in Canada

1404
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: like that, and you know, I wan't picked off about

1405
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 1: it for a little bit, but man, I learned. I

1406
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: won't ever do that again. And if I'm never put

1407
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: in that situation again, I know exactly what to do.

1408
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: I learned. I learned the hard way. Um. And so yeah,

1409
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: you get in there and you're propping up and you

1410
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: don't feel anything, and and you blow a big one

1411
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: out of there, Well, you know what you learned, and

1412
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: and you just gotta move on. What do you typically now,

1413
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: on average, let's say you're, you know, walking through property

1414
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: or heading to your tree stand or whatever. You spook

1415
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: a big shooter buck, you see him run off. What's

1416
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: going through your mind at that point? How do you?

1417
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: How do you adjust? Do you? Are you the type

1418
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: that goes and hunts right there, you know, bumping dump,

1419
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: or do you back out night without a doubt. I'm

1420
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 1: hunting right there the next day. I'm not there right then,

1421
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna if i'm if I'm walking in the hanging standard,

1422
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: I'm walking in and check Cameron, I jump a great

1423
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: big deer out of his bed. Um, I'm going to

1424
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: stop everything I'm doing. I'm going to set up a

1425
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: stand where i can shoot into that bed, and I'm

1426
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: gonna make sure I've got the wind right on the

1427
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: direction i think he's going to enter back into that bed.

1428
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hope that he didn't smell on me. Um,

1429
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: but I'm going to hunt right there that um that afternoon,

1430
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: and I will be right back in there real early

1431
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: the next morning. Um. So yeah, the old Andre the

1432
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: Quisto bumping dump. Yeah. Um, I have not fortunately ever

1433
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: done that. I've never had a situation where I've done that.

1434
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: But if I did do that, that that that is

1435
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: what I would do. Yeah, it's uh, the old Andrew

1436
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: the Quisto move is legendary and um it's it's pretty

1437
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: interesting to think about, and it's a great way to

1438
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 1: take advantage of what a lot of people think is

1439
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: a really bad thing to have happened when you bump

1440
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: a big deer. But um, you know, in this kind

1441
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: of way you can take advantage of because you just

1442
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: even though you spooked that deer, you just uncovered one

1443
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: of the most valuable pieces of the puzzle. You know

1444
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: exactly where he was better. So if you're willing to

1445
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: take advantage of that, it's kind of hell, Mary, right,

1446
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean, either it's going to work or you're gonna

1447
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: you know, Booker into his bedroom. But yeah, well you

1448
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: you you messed him up so sim because that you

1449
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: go around and finding another spot to kill him. He

1450
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: just got Trump three more stuff and everything else. You've

1451
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: already done the damage. You've either done a great thing

1452
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: and he didn't know what you are and he's gonna

1453
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: be right back in there because his bed worked and

1454
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: he got out of there safely, or you blown him

1455
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: out of the country. One of the two, so might

1456
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: as well might as well given the given a shot.

1457
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: But back to Andre, he and I'll leave the moon

1458
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: alone after this. But Andre and he wasn't paid by

1459
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: anybody to say anything. He was a big, big proponent

1460
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: of Jeff Murray's Moon Guide and using that overhead in

1461
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: that Red Moon. I mean he was. He was really

1462
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: old big on that. If you look at some some

1463
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: old vintage footage of white telendictions and listen to him

1464
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: talk about talk about the moon, um, you know, it's

1465
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: he was a big, big proponent of the moon. Yeah.

1466
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: That that was one of the things I noticed too,

1467
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: and one of the reasons why i've you know, begun

1468
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: to pay more attention to it. And you know, for me,

1469
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to test the theory. You know, I've

1470
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: heard a lot of people talk about how this can work.

1471
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: Some people will say, well, I don't know. I'm at

1472
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 1: this point, you know, trying to start correlating the data,

1473
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, okay, matching up what I've seen versus what

1474
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: the moon was. Paying attention to this is either way,

1475
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: it's pretty fascinating stuff to try and pay attention to.

1476
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: But when you hear people like like you, or Adam

1477
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: or Andre or Dan Infault or whoever it is who

1478
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 1: consistently are seeing this help them. It's hard to argue

1479
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: that there that there's not something there. Um. So I'm

1480
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued with it, and uh, I need to get

1481
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: myself the guide for this year because I'm definitely gonna

1482
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: be watching it. Um. I'm curious when it comes to

1483
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: that time of year in general. You know, on average,

1484
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: are you what's your your favorite type of rut set up?

1485
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: I guess you know, there's some guys that love betting years,

1486
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: there's some guys that want to be in your traditional

1487
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: pinch point. Do you have like a favorite like if

1488
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: you could pick the ideal rut set up, what would

1489
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: that look like? I like, I like the flickets, man.

1490
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: I like thick areas, CRP fields, um, thick areas. I

1491
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: just it seems like but most all the big deer

1492
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: that I have killed have come out of come out

1493
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: of CRP or out of thickets and and and that's

1494
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: just from a personal standpoint. You know, a lot of guys,

1495
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: you know the ruts going on hunt where the those are? Yeah?

1496
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: But I think of you know, the deer whereafter the

1497
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 1: great big ones. A lot of times they'll go into

1498
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: those bough areas, pick those dose up at night and

1499
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: then bring them into a thicket you know, heard them

1500
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: in there, and keep them into there, you know, in

1501
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: their their domain. So so for me, um, you know,

1502
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm a big thicket guy. When the ruts were you know,

1503
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: about to get going or on the edges of the thicket. Again,

1504
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: i haven't had a tremendous amount of success during the

1505
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: heat of the rut. Um. You know I've I've normally

1506
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: had my success pretty rut. But um, you know obviously

1507
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: I've hunted my butt off during the rut. So tickets, um,

1508
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: all day sits followed by you know, uh, real good

1509
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: fun rules um and can bottle neck areas uh, because

1510
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, when those bucks are really out traveling, you know,

1511
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: if you get them in between the dough, you know,

1512
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: those all day sits and those funnels and bottlenecks can

1513
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: be be be really good. And you know, I've seen

1514
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: a lot of guys kill them on on food plots

1515
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: where they come all the way out in the food

1516
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: plot and they're running the doors around the food plots.

1517
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I see that on sports and the Channel

1518
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: and and outdoor channel every night, so you know they

1519
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 1: kill them. They kill him the right on those food

1520
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: plots too, but from yep, so from a personal standpoint,

1521
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: and and not having the luxury of a five thousand

1522
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: maker um plantation in Iowa with pristine food plots, I

1523
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: like a big normally thicket and sit there all day.

1524
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: When it comes to those think it's usually do you

1525
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: like to be right in the middle of them, or

1526
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: usually hunting down wind of them, you know, waiting for

1527
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: something to cruise down whin and try to smell them out. Yeah, that,

1528
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: and and I don't like to get right in the

1529
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: middle of them, because I gotta get you know, get

1530
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: out of there at some point. I like to hunt

1531
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: on the edges of him where I can see over

1532
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: into him, you know, being to call it something if

1533
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: there's a bunk coming through there alone. Um, I don't

1534
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: like to get right in the middle. And yeah, I

1535
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: will look at it from a math standpoint and figure

1536
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: out where I think the deer is gonna be coming

1537
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: from and get to get the wind right and especially

1538
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: if he's coming by there, you know that he's gonna

1539
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: enter that where the winds in his favor. You know

1540
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna send check it, want to check for hunters,

1541
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: want to check for predators in general, and wanting to

1542
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: find a hot though. So he's going to use that

1543
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: wind to get into that thicket. And of course you've

1544
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: got to pay attention to that. But yeah, I don't

1545
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: like to get in the absolute the middle of it. Um,

1546
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: that's not my that's not my speed. Yeah. Yeah, like

1547
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: you said, that's an interesting thing you brought up to,

1548
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: Like full access issue, access and exit, that's such an

1549
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: important thing that h Sometimes when we start talking about

1550
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: the rut, I think people kind of throw that out

1551
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: the window and stop worrying about access and exit and

1552
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: making sure you've got a stealthy to get in and out.

1553
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: But do you do you still pay attention to that?

1554
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: Is that something that's important to you even during that

1555
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: period time when deer a little bit crazy, not not

1556
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: super I mean again, I want to not not like

1557
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: early season when inner and eggs in a pre rut

1558
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: is so so important when the when the ruts going

1559
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: just haywire crazy. Um, you know, you gotta get in

1560
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: the right spot. And if that means giving up a

1561
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: little bit on your entry and exit that you know,

1562
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: by all means. Um, you know, you gotta get in there.

1563
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna be sitting all day, you're you're

1564
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: only coming in you know, and out one time. Um.

1565
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,879
Speaker 1: And so I still think you need to pay attention

1566
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: to it, but that doesn't need to be the number

1567
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: one factor. Yeah, that's kind of what I've seen too.

1568
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: It seems like when you're ranking those things in order

1569
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: of importance, it shifts during the rut a little bit.

1570
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: And uh, like you said, you've got to be in

1571
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: the right place in a lot of cases, right, you

1572
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: might spook some deer in the morning walking in let's say,

1573
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: if you've got a subpar access route, but the buck

1574
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: that's gonna roll through their noon, maybe he might have

1575
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: been a mile away. So exactly right, exactly right. Yeah,

1576
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: if it looks good, man, don't don't don't don't don't

1577
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: not hunt it because you can't get into it during

1578
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: the run, you know, get into it, take your lamps

1579
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: and then and then get ready for the mid morning,

1580
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: middle day, early afternoon. E've been hunt and you're you're

1581
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: already where you need to be. Yeah, so what do

1582
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: you have? Where are you hunting this coming fall? Joe

1583
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:36,440
Speaker 1: I am leaving Yep, I am leaving UH thet of August,

1584
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: and I'm flying up to Edmonds and Alberta. UM. I've

1585
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: got a buddy up there that uh has some really

1586
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: good property that's north of the bozone and close to

1587
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: the Saskatchewan Boarder. Um. He does do some outfitting. UM.

1588
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: So I'm going to hunt with him for seven or

1589
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: eight days and we're gonna hunt. You're here in the

1590
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: morning in white tail over alfalfa and um canola in

1591
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: the evenings, so that that's my my my first hunt,

1592
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,520
Speaker 1: and then um, depending on I've got cameras in Illinois,

1593
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: got cameras in Kansas that are already going and showing

1594
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: some pretty good deer um, you know, waiting for Velvet

1595
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: to get off to see what's what's gonna happen there.

1596
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,520
Speaker 1: So I'll be hunting in Illinois, in Kansas during the

1597
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: pre rut um, you know rut time frame, and even

1598
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: before then if if if something big hard horned is daylighting, um,

1599
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: and then I always finish out the year UM in Texas.

1600
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: I take my son down to Texas and he rifle

1601
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: hunts and I bow hunt. We we've got a little

1602
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: least down there this this free range, and it's a

1603
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: lot of fun. There aren't a bunch of giants on there,

1604
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: but there are a bunch of a bunch of nice

1605
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: deer and and I love hunting with my son. He's

1606
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 1: twelve now and and so that's a real special time

1607
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: for us. And and so that's where I'll finish out

1608
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: the year. Sounds like a good, great, a great set

1609
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: of plans. There somefin here. Man. I'm excited. I can't wait,

1610
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: can't get here soon enough. And it's gonna be here

1611
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: soon August thirty. We are not far from that at all.

1612
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: I know. I leave just after that from my own

1613
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: early season white Tail trip, and I'm I'm just beginning

1614
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: to panic a little bit because I'm not sure I've

1615
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: got everything ready. So I get Yeah, I know the feeling.

1616
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: It's uh, it'll be here before we know it. And

1617
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: the broad edge need to be sharp, and the boat

1618
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: needs to be tuned. There's no doubt about it. Yeah,

1619
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: I gotta be prepared. So a final question for it, Joe,

1620
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, being a member of team two hundred and

1621
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: hanging out with people like Adam and all those guys

1622
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: and all the other you know, successful hunters, I'm sure

1623
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: you've been able to be around. Is there anything that

1624
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: you've found that all these most successful hunters you know

1625
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: have in common or that they do differently than the

1626
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 1: average hunter. If there's anything in addition what we've already

1627
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: talked about, yep, yep, it is it is really really simple.

1628
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,879
Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys get to the same

1629
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: level of of hunting prowess or hunting skill. I don't

1630
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: think that there's some super human hunting ninja um that's

1631
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 1: so much better that than somebody helps. I think a

1632
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: lot of guys have the same same level of hunting skills,

1633
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: and it is a skill you developed, but I think

1634
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people can can get there. Um. The

1635
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: difference I have seen to the guys that consistently kill

1636
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: really big deer is they work extremely hard at it.

1637
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: They are They run, and they and and financially to

1638
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 1: many they sacrifice, and they've got the trail cameras, they've

1639
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: got the leases. Um. You know, they're not necessarily rich

1640
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 1: men by any stretch. You know. I hear that. It

1641
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: makes me so mad, But he's just rich. He you know,

1642
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: he's hunting in the best areas. That's not true. Some

1643
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 1: of the best white tail hunters I know are are

1644
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: are very very blue collar, humble means eyes, but they

1645
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: sacrifice financially and they work their butts off to kill

1646
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: these big deer. They're constantly looking for new places. They're

1647
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: constantly out scouting in the summer's glass and bean fields.

1648
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: They're they're spending you know, all they can spend on

1649
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: trail cameras and getting into the best properties they can get.

1650
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: But but they're working their butts off. So if there's

1651
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 1: one common denominator between all the good deer hunters that

1652
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: I know and have associated with, they work really hard

1653
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: at it. I'd have to say I've seen the same thing.

1654
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: There's some there's some things that there's not any kind

1655
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 1: of secret tactic. It's just simply putting your putting your

1656
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: time in energy where your mouth is, and putting in

1657
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: the work. That's it, man, common sense, common sense, really

1658
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: studying what's going on and working hard, and and you'd

1659
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 1: be as absolutely as good as any other hunter on

1660
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 1: the planet. Yeah. So, Joe, if people want to learn

1661
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: more about what you're doing with the with the hunts,

1662
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: the broker the brokering there, or you know, watch your

1663
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: episodes on Team two. Where can they go find that

1664
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,480
Speaker 1: stuff online? Yeah, my my company is Sporting Adventures International,

1665
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: and the website is sporting a d V dot com

1666
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: like Alpha David Victor short for Adventures, So Sporting a

1667
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 1: DV dot com is is my website for for my company.

1668
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: And then UM two dot com is the Team two

1669
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: hundred website dot com UM and a lot of the

1670
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: episodes post up on there. And then obviously the show

1671
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: is running now at seven thirty on Monday nights on

1672
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: the Sports for channel right for Monday night football. UM

1673
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: once that gets started, and um did it runs a

1674
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: couple of times later in the week as well, So

1675
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: if people just keep over the show or record it,

1676
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: you know they'll be able to see it. But it's

1677
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty cool show. We've got a lot

1678
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: of big buck killers on there, and then there's there's

1679
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of big deer hit the ground

1680
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: with with archery equipment on that show. And I'm just

1681
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: proud to be part of that team. Yeah, a lot

1682
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: of good guys, seems like. And I've enjoyed I've enjoyed

1683
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: all the episodes I've seen myself. And to your point,

1684
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: I think two of your seasons are mostly episodes from

1685
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: two of the seasons are online to watch, you know,

1686
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: for anyone, whether you've got cable or not, or whether

1687
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: you've got you know, the time to watch the scheduled airing,

1688
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: So definitely check that out, guys. I'll make sure to

1689
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: put links to all that stuff in the blog the

1690
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 1: blog post for this podcast too. So, Joe, this has

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Speaker 1: been This has been great. Really appreciate you spend some

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01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: time here chatting. No, Mark, I appreciate it too, man.

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01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: Good luck to you on that hunt. And uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's keep in touch. I want to see some some

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01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: great pictures this year. Sounds good. Hopefully, hopefully I'll have

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Speaker 1: some good stories and you'll have some good stories and

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Speaker 1: we can bring it back on to talk about how

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Speaker 1: everything we talked about here today lead to a couple

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Speaker 1: of big deer on the ground. Man, I've got my

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Speaker 1: fingers calls you buddy, all right, Joe, have a good one. Alright.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it, a lot to digest, but

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01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: really helpful perspective, I think. So a couple of quick

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Speaker 1: reminders before we go. First, be sure to check out

1704
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: what we're doing over on the One Wild podcast. That's

1705
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: my shorter form podcast with the Druries in which we

1706
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: answer listeners submitted deer hunting questions, and that show is

1707
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: really coming into form. We're trying to make some tweaks

1708
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: to make it even more fun and educational to listen to,

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Speaker 1: so be sure check that out throughout the season in

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Speaker 1: the coming weeks and submit your own question too. We

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Speaker 1: would love to listen to it and try to answer

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01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: to so. Also, we need to thank our partners who

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Speaker 1: helped make this podcast possible. So thank you to sit

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Speaker 1: Good Gear, Trophy, Ridge, Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, on Terra Maps, Ozonics,

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Speaker 1: Carbon Express, Maven Optics, and the White Tail Institute of

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Speaker 1: North America. And speaking of also be sure to check

1717
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Speaker 1: out that free trial with deer Lab over at deer

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Speaker 1: lab dot com slash w t H. That's deer lab

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Speaker 1: dot com slash w t H. So, but all that said,

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Speaker 1: thank you all for joining us today. I hope this

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Speaker 1: one was helpful and I hope you will stay wired

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Speaker 1: to hunt or can be co