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Speaker 1: The Pack twelve players hashtag we are United versus the

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Speaker 1: USC has a COVID outbreak and now the campus is closed,

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Speaker 1: M Nick Rolovitch puts his foot in his mouth? What

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Speaker 1: I'm George Rice Stir He's Ralph Amberton and this is

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve Apostles. Thank you guys for listening to

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve Apostles. We appreciate your time, we appreciate

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Speaker 1: we keep it one hundred. We don't sugarcoat anything at all.

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Speaker 1: up at Pack twelve Apostles or at Ralph F. Hampton

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Speaker 1: at George Rest And we've told you guys, over the

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Speaker 1: next few weeks, we will be giving away to fifty

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Speaker 1: we will be putting that out on our Twitter page. Um.

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Speaker 1: First thing though, Ralph, I have to apologize to people

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Speaker 1: what happened was I do my Fox Sports radio show

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Speaker 1: we'll move on to the PAC twelve. Now, the PAC

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Speaker 1: And guess what happened. Because of the plague. There was

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Speaker 1: save it. It's like your work giving you your desk

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Speaker 1: completely ends up being all for not. These should have

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Speaker 1: So so everybody knows that I testified in front of

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Speaker 1: That is all you need. You don't you don't need

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Speaker 1: were not, they were not. I mean, it's it's good

432
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: marketing of a movement, but it was it was It's

433
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: it's factually inaccurate. They are very much not united to

434
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: the point where Arizona State has like eight kids on

435
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: scholarship and only one of them was willing to speak

436
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: out about it and put his name on the media contact.

437
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: They're not willing to put their name on it. But

438
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: hold on. PSH to Arizona State for not letting the

439
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: media talk to him. That's super annoying. Um. But the

440
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: Arizona State was able to essentially keep it in house

441
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: to the point where it didn't permeate one of your

442
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: major programs within the conference, like there was more support

443
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: for University of Utah. What is going to happen versus

444
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: publicly versus what is going on behind the scenes. That's

445
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: how the Big Ten has already gotten involved. The SEC

446
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: is going to be up next. It is this is

447
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: the wor negotiation. Is that the players are gonna come out.

448
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna throw this haymaker and then all of the

449
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: other players are going to have to take a side. Yes, correct,

450
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: and and if you get twenty five pcented the players,

451
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: you will win. And hold hold on, hold on to

452
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: back your movement on the fact that you you put

453
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: forth an aggression that made you have to look at

454
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: yourself and be like, well, I didn't necessarily want to

455
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: be part of this, but now aligns in the sand

456
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be am I with the players or

457
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: am I with UH. If you have to remember is

458
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: that that that the goal is not to not play.

459
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: The goal is to get what you want and also

460
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: to a play. I think that the Pact twelve players

461
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: are ultimately going to realize very quickly that that the UH,

462
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: that the name, and that the school paying them brings

463
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: up a couple of issues. Number one, it brings up

464
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: a Title nine issue, which they're not sure how it's

465
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: going to be decided if they even got the revenue

466
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: um and so there's a Title nine potential Title nine issue.

467
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: There is Also the issue is is they could be

468
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: looked at as employees of the university, which then as

469
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: an employee of a company, your First Amendment rights are

470
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: already like limited a little bit, which is one of

471
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: the things that they asked for. The second thing that

472
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: causes the problem is if you're an employee of a company,

473
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: signing an endorsement deal with another with the competitor of

474
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: that company that you work for, is a problem as

475
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: opposed to you being like a a student athlete signing

476
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: a deal like, if you are at Washington who is

477
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: sponsored of their footwear apparel company is Adidas, and you

478
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: sign a deal with Nike, you are supposed to wear

479
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Adidas while you are doing university business. But if you

480
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: are on your own time, on your own social media,

481
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: you can post whatever the hell it is that you

482
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: want to post. And I think that those are the

483
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: two things that make name, image and likeness legislation. Uh,

484
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: and that unencumbered, that way is more valuable because now

485
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: you have a free market that can determine what you

486
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: are worth. It sounds to me like you're arguing against

487
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: the plan. No, it's a better way that if you

488
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: had headed this up, that you would have that you

489
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: would have guided them in a different direction than making

490
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: it about in in game revenue, in program revenue, because

491
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: because because them getting of the revenue, it's not happening,

492
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: it's not even feasible it is, and it's it actually

493
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: is not the best thing for them. So what if

494
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: what if the Scott said, like, hey, the fact that

495
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: this is included in it, we can't take that seriously.

496
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: It would make the entire conference not viable. So we'll

497
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: we'll talk to him about it again next year. Then

498
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: what recourse do you have? Then you're gonna then you're

499
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: gonna sit out right, but you're not gonna have you

500
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: know what the what the Big Ralph they can they

501
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: can they can attack part of will will not not attack.

502
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: But they can try to negotiate on part of the deal.

503
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: They can say, look, we can't do anything with that,

504
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: but we can also do something with this other part.

505
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: And that's why I want to bring in the Big

506
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: Tent where the Big Tent asked for money too. They

507
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: asked for UH and and increase in their stipends reimbursement

508
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: which goes above the cost of attendance. So there's an

509
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: increase in the stipends, which I think the PACTOL players

510
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: should have asked for increasing stipends and name image and likeness.

511
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: So the name image and likeness has to be UH

512
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: done and at the n C Double A level. That's

513
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: all I've said from Jump that it is important to

514
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: get the Big ten and the SEC involved because the

515
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: n C Double A has the power and they move

516
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: quickly when they want to move quickly. Because because I've

517
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: said I said it today on them on my podcast,

518
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: rights so are wrong that the that the n C

519
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: Double A that they played. Pretend that they act like

520
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 1: that they're doing all these great things, but what do

521
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: they actually do. Do they create a level playing field?

522
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, there are halves in there have not. Do

523
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: they ensure that there is compliance to the rules, Hell no.

524
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: Do they enforce safety, safety and health stanards? Hell no.

525
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: We've seen We watched multiple games last year, Ralph where

526
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: we talked about it. Dudes got concussions for sure. Like

527
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: we we saw Zach Moss. We've seen other players out

528
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: of like in a way that it is clear that

529
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: he should not be in the game. There's no damn

530
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: penalty for for that. Do they enforce education and bad

531
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: practices and that way, No, Look at North Carolina and

532
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: other people have had shamp classes. The only thing that

533
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: they do is act as a governing body to negotiate

534
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: licensing and collect money from championship sports and make rules

535
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: that limit student athletes freedom. That's what the n C

536
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: Double A does, and you have to find a way

537
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: to undo that, and and just waiting on them to

538
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: do it doesn't work. The ad Obanon case got where,

539
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: which is the reason why there is no more n

540
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: C Double A game since two thousand and fourteen, when

541
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: the case was settled. There has been no more game

542
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: in the n C. Double A has had since two

543
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen to figure something out as it related to name,

544
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: image and likeness, and they've done freaking nothing. And in

545
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: the and once the legislation started passing this last year

546
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, in early they said, oh, yeah, we

547
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: we now agree that there should be some name image

548
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: and like this legislation. But they didn't propose anything. They

549
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: just said, yeah, we we agree with it. They're trying

550
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: to kick the can down the street, and I'm with

551
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: the players for not allowing them to kick the can

552
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: down the street anymore. It cannot be allowed. You have

553
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: to put your foot in the ground. Now. I know

554
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: you're with the players. I know you're with the players,

555
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: and I and I get why, but I feel like,

556
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: and I mean you you can. You absolutely have every

557
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: freedom in the world to tell me what you think

558
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: of this. But I feel like, because you have had

559
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: your idea and your eggs in the basket of revolution

560
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: for so long that you're not seeing that this isn't

561
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: what you would have necessarily done. I think that you're

562
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: you're in it because it's something and it can form

563
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: along the way, which is, honestly is how most movements

564
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: and revolutions work, which is I completely understand that. But

565
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, they're not getting these things.

566
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: They're not and the PAC twelve does not respect the

567
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: power of this movement because for two reasons. One, the

568
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: primary reason that someone would sit out is a concern

569
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: for their health, because they went into this process knowing

570
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: that they weren't going to get most of these things

571
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: on this list. Right, COVID is new. COVID needs to

572
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: be addressed. Now. The primary reason that somebody would sit

573
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: out the season is out of concern for their personal

574
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: well being. That's going to be the thing that the

575
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: Pack twelve needs to address most because that's the thing

576
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: that they actually have the most control role providing. I

577
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: agree with you, right, but if you throw away the

578
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: shot to get those things, those feasible and necessary things

579
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: to make even work in the first place, because you're

580
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: also trying to get some other things that are worthy causes.

581
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: And I want to see players get paid and I'm

582
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: sick of seeing the pie swell, but the size of

583
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: the slice that goes to the baker not grow along

584
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: with the pie. I'm done with that. And if the

585
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: players were united and they did want to sit and

586
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: they did want to show their real power, that is

587
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: something that I would fully fully back. And until they

588
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: do that, I'm just gonna cover the games and talk

589
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: about the games. I'm not taking this movement seriously and

590
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: until they show me that it's something worth taking serious,

591
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: because like what happened at Washington State, where somebody is

592
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: going to sit out the season for health related reasons

593
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: and would be sitting out the season regardless, but also

594
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: wants to sort of squeeze in that Hey, I'm I'm

595
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: also brave and and and part of the reason I'm

596
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: sitting out is for this. When he was gonna sit

597
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: out anyway, it doesn't the power of what he's trying

598
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: to do doesn't show up because you know what his

599
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: primary concern was. And so I feel like, mask it

600
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: they can. They can try to mask it. However it

601
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: is that they that they want to mask it they can,

602
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: is that I believe that there are going to be

603
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: some players that do that because that is the way

604
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: to keep their eligibility. It's it's like a it's like

605
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: a get out of jail. Free card, and I I

606
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: just don't believe that putting these things on the back

607
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: burner for any longer is a good idea. Do you

608
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: think to bring up Scott's salary was a good idea?

609
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: Because I don't um here here. Okay, So from the

610
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: person that you're trying to negotiate, supposedly in good faith

611
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: with that he relinquishes his money is going to help

612
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: your process. I think that that they believe that Larry

613
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: Scott's going to be out And there is a fundamental

614
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: problem we've talked about this. Do you really think they

615
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: because you're not talking about the players, you're talking about

616
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: the people that help the players put this together. Do

617
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: you really think they, as in as in Javon Holland,

618
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: are thinking about Larry Scott and his employment. Uh, you

619
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: think that's that's in the top tier of their priorities.

620
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: I agree with you that whoever put this together, I

621
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I don't know. See the see

622
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: the the problem is this is that, Okay, when you

623
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: looked at the money when they were asking for for money,

624
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: and then you have them saying, well, here's a place

625
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: that you can get the money. I think that that

626
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: was no, No, I'm serious. I think that that was

627
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: that that was included specifically because it was saying, here's

628
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: a place where you can trim the fact because the

629
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: Pac twelve, I think you you're you're the one who

630
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: told me that they're operating expenses are like ten times

631
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: higher than the rest of the conferences. Yeah, they're they

632
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: are unnecessarily high, and it has a lot to do

633
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: with It has a lot to do and it's not

634
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 1: just it's not just the conditions that they're operating under.

635
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: They've made this choice. They've made the choice to operate

636
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: with higher expenditures, higher pay um all of those states.

637
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: It's criminal negligent and they need somebody with a fiduciary

638
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: duty because it is just I mean, there's no reason

639
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: it would be different if they were making a billion

640
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: dollars in revenue, and then you can say, well, maybe

641
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: these expenses are necessary, but they're not. It's just exorbitant

642
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: salaries and just wasteful, dude, It is just a wasteful um.

643
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: But then that goes on to the next thing, which

644
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: is the Apple cash infusion that the Pack twelve tried

645
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: to sell us. That was gonna happen, but Larry Scott

646
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: has been throwing darts at a dartboard trying to save

647
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: his job, and you still have the president of Arizona

648
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: State backing him like Larry Scott is the man. He's

649
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: not acting like, Oh, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna get

650
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: some tech company money infusion and no you're not, No,

651
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: you're not, dude. The the truth is the conference doesn't

652
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: have the cash a too at this point in time

653
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: to get that sort of thing happening. And you're trying

654
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: to hold onto all of these media rights for some

655
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: dumb ass Olympic sports. I love Olympic sports, but they

656
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: don't make money. Football and basketball and in some cases

657
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: women's basketball make money. That is it the end of

658
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: the damn line. So the fact that they want to

659
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: keep these me these media, oh we we have to

660
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: we own a hundred percent of something. What the hell

661
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: does it matter if you want a hundred percent of

662
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: nothing of eighteen million homes or you can own a

663
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: hundred million homes. I mean, it's it's just I mean,

664
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: the best ability in life is availability, and the conference

665
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: is not available to football fans, to basketball fans for

666
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: the and it allows the the other conferences to paint

667
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: this narrative of this lackluster sports and it's not true.

668
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: We have so many pros. It's disgusting to me, Ralph.

669
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: I want, I just want to point out that you're

670
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: saying a hundred percent of nothing is worse than fifty

671
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: of something. After you and I had the argument that

672
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: it was perfectly justified for them to ask for a

673
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the nothing that they're going to get

674
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: on this weird United thing because I have to get nothing, Ralph,

675
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: because it's because the first negotiation that Larry Scott ever

676
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: wins is going to be against So so with this, dude,

677
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: I hate you right now. If we if we were

678
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: in the same local, I would fight you. Oh not

679
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: acting like I'm a thousand miles away, but here. So

680
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: here's the thing you brought up, the potential cash infusion.

681
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: They should sell off football. There really should. If if

682
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: if you can put yourself in a situation where you

683
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: were actually looking to sell off part of the conference

684
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: and bring in private equity, if you can, if you

685
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: can even entertain that idea, then why can't you entertain

686
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: the idea of the Pack twelve forming an LLC that

687
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: essentially establishes a for profit football corporation, in which you

688
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: then move the twelve teams to the for profit corporation.

689
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: Then you sell equity off in that for profit corporation

690
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: for other people to be able to profit off of football.

691
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: You take them completely out of the title nine debate

692
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: because it's now a club sport. You give them the

693
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: money that would be used to pay tuition, which, by

694
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: the way, would mean that a degree is actually worth

695
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: what they're saying for the first time ever, instead of

696
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: the fact that they're giving it to you at cost

697
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: and telling you it's worth retail you, they would actually

698
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: give you the retail value of your degree money for

699
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: your scholarship, and you can either use that money to

700
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: pay for your education or you can keep that money.

701
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: Because you're playing for a club team affiliated with the school.

702
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: Nothing necessarily needs to change, but you can form a

703
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: union of players that can and you can form a

704
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: union of coaches and they can negotiate directly with the

705
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: conference over profits. If you're gonna bring in private equity,

706
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: you should just find a way to form a company.

707
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: Sell that company football, allow people to invest and allow

708
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: the players to profit. Ever since they started talking about

709
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: the idea of bringing private dollars in. That's all I

710
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: can think of, is why not then just sell the

711
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: money making sports off and then guarantee as part of

712
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: that investment that money coming in will fund the sports

713
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: that are still part of your scholastic program, so that

714
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: you won't have to worry about a Title nine imbalance

715
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: because you have guaranteed funding for those other sports and

716
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: you're not worried about whether or not they make money,

717
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: which is how it should be in the first place

718
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: when you're talking about college athletics. So do so, how

719
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: do you feel? What are your thoughts about the fact

720
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: that the PACK twelve clearly according to Apple? The Apple

721
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: quote on this was Apple has been recently tied to

722
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: was sorry. This was the quote in the John Wilner article.

723
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: Apple has recently been tied to speculation about the PAC twelve,

724
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: in particular, with Sports Business Daily reporting in April that

725
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: exact KI has had expressed interest in the conferences primary package,

726
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: but two sources doubted that the West Coast League could

727
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: provide the type of introduction to live sports Apple is

728
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: looking for, period And I'm like, um for Apple, that

729
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: basically says you lied, right? Uh? I mean because I'm like, yeah,

730
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: I had an audition for the movie. Because there is

731
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: no private equity. They they are said, oh we we

732
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: turned down private equity. Yeah right, you damn lie. No,

733
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: nobody believes that, and oh Apple may come on board.

734
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: You're you're hoping, you're wishing and you're praying. It's just

735
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: it's just Larry Scott is because like he's on the

736
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: no plan plan right now, and he's like, oh yeah,

737
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: and then he some these grandiose ideas, Yes we will

738
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: go to Apple and sell there. No, you don't have that.

739
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: You do not have it. The problem is that your

740
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: teams haven't won a national championship in basketball since what

741
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: since U C l A and he you haven't won

742
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: AP you haven't won a football championship since USC. So

743
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: it's like, how on earth can you then try to

744
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: act like you are moving in the right direction and

745
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: that somebody wants what you have. You need to invest

746
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: in your football first, stop worrying about the Olympic sports.

747
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: Just do not but do not cut them though, do

748
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: not cut them, invest in your period. It's such a false,

749
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: like visionary persona thing to say that your issues are

750
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: actually a failure of societal imagination, that the only reason

751
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: we seem unsuccessful is because you can't see what I

752
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: see and what I and and and while admitting that

753
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: what you see is an unknown horizon that could provide

754
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: you the answer in the future. That's huckster behavior. That's

755
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: like Wolf of Wall Street, Penny Stocks, boiler room behavior.

756
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: And we're allowing it to happen, and we've allowed it

757
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: to happen this entire time. Nobody from any of the

758
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: conferences has thought to act and say, hey, you know,

759
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: it's not an issue of failure of imagination. What exists

760
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: now is a giant pile of cash that you're not

761
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: letting us collect. It's just out there. Everyone wants to

762
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: get into the live sports game because it's the only

763
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: thing where you can guarantee an audience. So do you

764
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: believe that if the SEC was trying I mean I

765
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: and I know that they have partners with ESPN right

766
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: right now for like of the or the the revenues.

767
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: But do you believe that if the SEC or the

768
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: Big ten was trying to sell to Apple, that Apple

769
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: would buy? Yeah? Exactly. That means you have failed, Larry Scott.

770
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: It's like you I it makes me cringe when I

771
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: hear a conference of champions, because I'm like, yeah, champions

772
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: in everything, but what what matters? I love the PAC

773
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: twelve with all my heart do, but it is just

774
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: it is painful to watch. And then the news that

775
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: came out today the PAC twelve may take a damn

776
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: near billion dollar loan, a near billion dollar loan, almost

777
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: eighty three million. Each school could take a loan up

778
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: to eighty three million dollars over ten years. At three

779
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: and probably, I was just like, this can't be serious, right.

780
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: I already know that these schools are hurting because of

781
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: the pandemic. Football is probably not going to be played

782
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: unless it plays in the spring. If that even happens,

783
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: you have schools like I have heard that Oregon would

784
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: be almost eighty million dollars upside down in terms of

785
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: the athletic budget. If football is not played. You have

786
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: some of the smaller revenue generating schools that will be

787
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. I get it, you're hurting. But the

788
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: conference who's already generating less money than everybody else getting

789
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: eighty three million, I mean, getting almost a billion dollars

790
00:51:54,520 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: in debt if everybody max it out with no cash

791
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: coming in there like, oh yeah, we'll we'll be able

792
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: to pay it off in ten years once these additional

793
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: revenues come in. So all the additional revenues will go

794
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: and get servicing your your your debt. This is like

795
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: like Dave Ramsey would would would pull up and shoot

796
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: Larry Scott. He would be like, I will go to

797
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: jail for murder because I or assault, because this is

798
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: worth it. This is criminal, bro. I would take the

799
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,479
Speaker 1: money if I was a team because yeah, if Larry

800
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Scott has shown anything, it's that you don't have to

801
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: pay the pack twelve back the loans they give you.

802
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: But but thing about it is that the schools would

803
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: end up liable for it, not not the conference on

804
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: the back end Wilner's article. Until Larry Scott proves that

805
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna pay that home loan money back. I would

806
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: just take the money and trust that that things get

807
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: to work for you the same way they work for him.

808
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what's she gonna do? Not pay your people?

809
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna take the money. No, turn it down

810
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: and have everything collapse promptly. No, everything's not going to collapse, bro.

811
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: I would I would talk to the if I'm the

812
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: athletic department, I'm talking to the school like yo, because

813
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: because you already have cow who's upside down every in

814
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: the athletic department. Every year, you have U c l

815
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: A over the last twenty over the last two years,

816
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: forty million dollars. We don't know what's going on at

817
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: Stanford and usc UM. Yeah, dude, And you know what

818
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: the packtel should do. They should agree to the players

819
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: demands and then send the players a bill for fift

820
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: of the not revenue that's gonna come in, so the

821
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: players end up having to pay out of pocket money

822
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: that they here. I am not talking to you. I'm

823
00:53:54,080 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: gonna end this podcast now. Um. Yes, so it I

824
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: just think this loan is stupid, dude. It is putting

825
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: good money after bad and you're just gonna have to

826
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: eat the pandemic and figure out a way out of it.

827
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: Because getting into more debt when you're already in debt,

828
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: that is the worst possible decisions. Who Who's that is it? Though?

829
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: Because you're making decisions for an institution that you're probably

830
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: not gonna be at in ten years, but it guarantees

831
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:36,479
Speaker 1: your salary. The incentive in this situation is to get

832
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: yours and get out. This is why the conference is row.

833
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: This is why the conference and the schools are in

834
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: the position that they're in right now. They have not

835
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: saved enough money after making hundreds of millions each year.

836
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: But you can't though that's a system. What they need

837
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: is some type of legislative change that allows you to

838
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: bank your athletic budget, or at least a portion of it,

839
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: because it's completely absurd that you have to spend every

840
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: single dollar that comes in. It's good for the print

841
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: shops around campus and the businesses that the boosters run

842
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: that the program is able to kick money back into

843
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: just because they have to spend dollar for dollar, but

844
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: it's not good for the program if there's ever a

845
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: year when things don't when you make your budget according

846
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: to what you brought in last year, because then you

847
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: end up like U c. L A, where you're already

848
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: having problems before any of this ever happened. Yep, but

849
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: no one's gonna feel sorry for these schools when they

850
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: watched the rich Rod buyout, when they watched the Todd

851
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: Graham buy out, when they you know, when when they

852
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: see the amount of money um that was given to

853
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly after Jim Moore, and no one's gonna look

854
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: at those things and be like, oh, poor Pack twelve

855
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: college football. There's nobody on your side here. And I

856
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: just think the temptation would be too great for the

857
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: people involved to make sure that they can cash their

858
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: checks right now because they're not going to be around

859
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 1: to see the disaster that's left ten years from now

860
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: when those financial obligation can't be met. Dude, I just

861
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: can't do it. I'm like, emotionally, as you see this

862
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: podcast a very charge, I'm emotionally spent, dude. I I

863
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: it just hurts my heart to see this. So I

864
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: think we need to move to a lighter segment. I

865
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: think we need to move to our start Sitting cut.

866
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: It is obviously, um the segment that we've been doing

867
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, so I will introduce it properly.

868
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: It is time for start, Sit and cut with my

869
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: game show voice. So it is important that we do

870
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: this segment because Ralph Ralph came up with it. It's

871
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: really good. And we start an item, we sitting an item,

872
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: and we cut an item. Today we have two topics.

873
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: First thing, Pack twelve coaches, which Pack twelve coach? Are

874
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: you starting Ralph starting? I would have to say, does

875
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: it have to be a head coach? You you no, no, No,

876
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: it's my it's my fault. You're right, you're right, you're right,

877
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I'm gonna I'm gonna start Mario crystal

878
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: Ball as far as Pack twelve head coaches go, because

879
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 1: he didn't deal with the major scandal this offseason like

880
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham did, and my use of the word major

881
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: is probably going to be a point of debate amongst

882
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: the Utah fans, which I felt so, but they might not. UM.

883
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: Shout out to Gary Patterson for joining the Morgan I

884
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: hope that anybody who does any podcasts that cover that

885
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: portion of the country has as much fun as we

886
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: did getting angry feedback about their thoughts about things like that. UM.

887
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: But I would say that as as of right now,

888
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: Mario crystal Ball has all the juice. The recruiting has

889
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: been great, he has delegated well. He has not suffered

890
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: from the loss of um Dante Williams as much as

891
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: I think some people thought he might, even though Dante

892
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: want is doing a great job down at USC as

893
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: a recruiter. Uh, same with Prentice gil heading to UH

894
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: to a s U and losing your offensive coordinator having

895
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: to replace that as well. He's just he's won the

896
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: off season so far. He's impressed me a great deal,

897
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: and so he's who i'd started. I totally agree with you.

898
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody else to start. He is

899
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: recruiting at a fierce level. The team is trending in

900
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: the right direction, not only for recruits, but it looks

901
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be in the national championship conversation pretty

902
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: pretty soon. I'm I'm all in there, I am all in.

903
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: Who are you sitting UM this week? Probably Nikolovic, just

904
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: for this week, just to figure out what the heck

905
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: is going on, because you know, you broke the news

906
00:58:55,160 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: that a player UM had been dismissed ish at least

907
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: from team activities. Yeah, it's an interesting situation that that

908
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: UM and then the recorded phone call came out, and

909
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: you know it might have broke too. Yeah, it might

910
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: have broke two way recording laws. And I mean, the

911
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: the entire thing is a giant mess. UM. Suffice it

912
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: to say that whatever reason that Cassidy Woods is sitting

913
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: down to the season. It's totally fine with me. I'm

914
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: not necessarily worried about it. But you know, to hear

915
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: a head coach's reaction to a player talking about this

916
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. Um. And and just to know

917
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 1: where Nick Rolovis head is at and how he's gonna

918
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: move forward on this, because there was a surprising amount

919
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: of Washington State players involved in this um and five

920
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: up to five. Yeah, so that that was I would

921
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: I would sit him just to take a breather, just

922
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on, because I think he's

923
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: a good guy and I think he's a good coach,

924
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be great up there. But

925
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: you don't want to lose the team before the season

926
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: even starts. And I know he's got he's got a

927
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: lot of players on his side as well, UM on

928
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: this up there a couple that I know in particular,

929
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: and so um but I don't even know what side

930
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: ultimately he's on. You know, I think I'm just making

931
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: the assumption that he has a disdain or disagreement with

932
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: the movement in general. But yeah, I'm sitting him until

933
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: further notice. I am sitting Clay Hilton because this recruiting

934
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: class that they are looking at UM. According to some

935
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: of the seven people, they are expecting some decommits and

936
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: it it looks like fool's gold right now after last

937
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: year's recruiting disaster. I mean, USC recruits itself, So if

938
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: you finish in the top twenty, you have not done

939
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: yourself a good job of recruiting at usc UM. The

940
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: best thing that can happen to him is that they

941
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: don't play this year, because then he can, you know,

942
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: just punt it over for another season. It checks even

943
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: though he may have taken a pay cut, but we

944
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: don't know because it's a private university. So I'm going

945
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: to sit Clay Hilton right now, who are you cutting?

946
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm cutting Chip Kelly because I'm just not I'm not

947
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: sure he has what it takes in this modern day

948
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: and age, and especially with the players getting a voice

949
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: and getting a little more freedom, and I'm not sure

950
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to run things the way that

951
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: he wants to. And I'm not sure that he was

952
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: capable of running things the way that U. C. L

953
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: A Needs him to in the first place. And you know,

954
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: I think it's been inevitable for a while that it

955
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: was pretty obvious that stylistically he wasn't necessarily um up

956
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: to the task. And the evolutions of the game has

957
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: made and he is rich, he doesn't, you know, Oh

958
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: my goodness. Um he's yeah, he's he's made like, I

959
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: don't know, two million for every win in the last

960
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: four or five years or something like that. So why

961
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: are you like this? He's, uh, well, he's fifteen and

962
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: thirty five in his last fifty or something like that,

963
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: and UM, yeah, So I'm gonna go ahead and cut Chipkelly.

964
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad about it. I'm cutting Nick nick Rolovich.

965
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: And I'm cutting Nick Rolovich because he that audio of

966
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: him was terrible. Bro it was uh where where where?

967
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: He said, you know, this could impact future stuff, you know,

968
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: just just just letting you know. I mean, it's a

969
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: bad look when you have a coach trying to pressure

970
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: a kid as it relates to standing up even though

971
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: you don't feel the players are united. This is one

972
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: of the reasons why they may not be as united

973
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: as they need to be, is because you have coaches

974
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: that may be leaning on them saying, hey ya, I

975
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: don't know about the playing time play, you know, like

976
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: I guess here who don't protest? Yeah, I guess the

977
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: thing that keeps me from from one cutting him is

978
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: it's just the the situation is weird. It's like, Okay,

979
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: so your wife tells you that she's going to the

980
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: grocery store, right, well, you need groceries. Cabinets are empty,

981
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: fridges empty, and so you understand that she's going to

982
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: the grocery store because the family needs groceries. That's understandable.

983
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: But on the way out the door, before she shuts

984
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: the door, she says, I just need some time to myself.

985
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: And in my mind as a person, I'm like, well,

986
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: that changes your trip to the grocery store, Like I

987
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: might not be here when you get back. And I

988
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: just natural you were already going to the grocery store.

989
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: You don't need to throw that extra stuff in there

990
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: and make me feel like I'm under attack in some way.

991
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: And so I I do have a little bit of

992
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: sympathy for the way in which this was presented to him,

993
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: because it wasn't he could because he's gonna sit out

994
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: the season anyway. Yeah, And I just I'm trying to

995
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: give him a little bit of a benefit of doubt

996
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: because it's it's just the he was gonna sit out anyway.

997
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: It's like none of this was necessary. The call was

998
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: probably extra legal, will refer to it in that manner. Um,

999
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: the whole situation is just a mess, and they got

1000
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to work on They're gonna have to

1001
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: do some trust exercises those two dude. But you can't

1002
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: do any of the trust building thing because because it

1003
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: will violate. You can't do trust falls. Oh yeah, alright,

1004
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: can in person counseling sessions with a restraining order. Right,

1005
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: all right. The next topic gonna starts to cut is

1006
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: COVID activities. Um, what COVID activity? Activities? Activity? My goodness,

1007
01:04:53,280 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: what covid activities are you starting? Well? Um gonna say,

1008
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm definitely, uh, we'll go with fitness wellness. Right. I

1009
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: think that there's um been definitely a craze and movement

1010
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: in that in that direction of people just um thinking

1011
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more about their health, even though it

1012
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: probably should have been the government uh in part of

1013
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: its response to this pandemic that came out and was like, hey,

1014
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: we need to get healthy because all these comorbidities are

1015
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: are not helping right now. Um, and if you know,

1016
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: if they're willing to shut down the entire economy in

1017
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: order to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed, then they should

1018
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: be willing to really go out on a limb and

1019
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: be like, hey, Fatty's like me. You know, people like

1020
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: me who needed the kick in the butt um and

1021
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: And there was no government leadership on this, but I

1022
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: feel like people have intuitively picked up on the idea

1023
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: that it's it's a necessity. And I've seen a lot

1024
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: of people making some really healthy choices. I've made some

1025
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: on my own. Uh it's it's a it's a work

1026
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: in progress, but I think there has definitely been a

1027
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: mindset shift on just people having to having to really

1028
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: know where they're at and what they need to do,

1029
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: and they've been given a little bit of time to

1030
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: do it. And I'm sure that there's a lot of

1031
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 1: people who have who have put on weight and and

1032
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: and the the quarantine is not treating well. But I

1033
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: do think that there are a lot of people out

1034
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: there who are benefiting from from the idea of you know, hey,

1035
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: I said I never had time, and now I absolutely

1036
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: have no excuse. So I mean, there has to be

1037
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: a reason why every single at home gym equipment section

1038
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: of every single store is sold out. It has to

1039
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: be for good cause, dude. They are all on uh

1040
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: Facebook selling their Pelotons right right now. I'm telling you,

1041
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: I just I just gotten a group to buy one

1042
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: on on the low. Oh you're taking your taking a

1043
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: van and let me know, let me know if I

1044
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: can get one hooked up on the cheap because someone's

1045
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: going back to work. I will. I will send you

1046
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: the the Peloton Facebook group where they're selling them. Um,

1047
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: I am starting growing your own food. Actually no, I'm not.

1048
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm lying. I am starting Twitter. I am starting Twitter

1049
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: because I'm a glutton for punishment and and even though

1050
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: sometimes I have to turn it off for the for

1051
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: the rest of the day because I'm like, I can't.

1052
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: I can't handle anymore. Just the amount of like breaking

1053
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: news every day, Like something new and amazingly terrible happens

1054
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: every day right now. I mean, just just oh, Rutgers outbreak, Oh,

1055
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: color Colorado State, Gary Patterson calling somebody in where Oh

1056
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: the the uh? The Division two canceled its championships. The

1057
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: teams can still play if they want to play, which

1058
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: was terrifying. Did you see all the damn because I've

1059
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: ever seen when you different videos, I was like, oh,

1060
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: I did you see the one from the car on

1061
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: the on the overpass on that video is the scariest

1062
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: thing I have ever seen in my entire life. The

1063
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: rear view mirror dangling and the windshield chatter, and it

1064
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: was a matter of a second. Yeah, yeah, that's scared.

1065
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: And you saw it coming like like you saw the wave.

1066
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: And you know how when you're watching movies and they

1067
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: run away from these sorts of things, it's impossible. It's

1068
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: that's scared the hell. I mean. But in prayers to

1069
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: those people, if anybody, if any of our followers knows

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01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 1: of any any decent organization that that uses their money

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01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: well to help people tweeted out us will help spread

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01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: that around because that was I mean that that is

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01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: these again, one of the scariest things I've ever seen.

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: But that video from the car on the overpass in

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01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: the freeway, that that was. I mean, I'm gonna remember

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01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: that forever. Yes, that was terrible. Um, who are you

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01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: sitting the game of you know, I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying

1078
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: the time that I've gotten to spend with my family,

1079
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: but as a not competitive person. Uh, the games, the

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: games take a while. I have found myself. I'll lock

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01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: eyes with my wife and we will do whatever we

1082
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: can just to get the hell out of the game.

1083
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 1: Like my my kids will be. They just play whatever

1084
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: they have that there's no rhyme or reason to it.

1085
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: And then everybody ends up with sixty cars in their hand.

1086
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: You're drawn out of a pile of only three or

1087
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: four cards, and uh, it's that. And then those cards

1088
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: where you can add your own rules. The other day

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: they came up with the person, um, you pick somebody

1090
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: and you pick one color, and they get everybody's card

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01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 1: of that color. And my wife was like one card

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01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: away from winning, and that happened to her, and we

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01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: all had to give her our greens, and we were

1094
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: all we all had dirty cards each under cards in

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01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 1: the game lasted another forty minutes. I just I don't

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01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: like it enough to be to have that be my

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: whole night. I am sitting lives, But that's funny, dude,

1098
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm sitting live sports. The reason why I'm sitting Live

1099
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: sports is even though they are awesome, I've realized that

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: there's so much more to talk about. The out of

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01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: the world now in life, I was missing out. So yeah,

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting live sports, even though I love them, and

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01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 1: I will be back to starting them under under any circumstances.

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01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 1: But right now I'm sitting them. So sports are getting

1105
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: in the way of you becoming George Rice, their political commentator. Yes, yes,

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01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: they are all right. I'm I'm sorry that sports came

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01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: along and ruined your plans. What are you sitting? Well?

1108
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: I sat you No, I am I'm sorry. What are

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: you cutting who? I'm worried for your coronavirus activities. I'm

1110
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: tempted to cut what you started just because social media

1111
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: could be so overwhelming. And I you know, I never

1112
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: watched the news. I still have not. On March eleventh,

1113
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: when Rudy Gobert uh ruined basketball uh, I said, right

1114
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: then and there, I will not watch the news until

1115
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: this is over, because I knew that it just wasn't

1116
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: gonna add anything. So I have managed to not watch

1117
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: the news. But the one thing that I do watch,

1118
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: and I'm cutting these because they make me very upset,

1119
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: is every Thursday, our governor here in Arizona has a

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01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: press conference where he gets up and he goes through

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01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: the statistics, and then he answers a few questions from

1122
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: the media. I'm sitting gubernatorial press conference or I'm cutting them.

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01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm cutting them for eternity, they have no chance. That's

1124
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. No coming back after eight games, suspensioned, never

1125
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: ever again. Am I going to subject myself to these because,

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01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: first of all, our governor doesn't say anything. We're in

1127
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: a system of decentralized leadership where just the loudest voices

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01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: sort of governed what's going on. He says, it's all

1129
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 1: the data, But I mean, we everything has been so

1130
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: messed up in Arizona for so long. They don't know

1131
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: what to do about getting kids back in schools. The

1132
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: whole thing is just an emotional mess. And I watch

1133
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: it on the periscope, and so I can see all

1134
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: of the comments of people who are watching along with me,

1135
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: and it's just people who who are on just the

1136
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: furthest polar opposite spectrums of the political aisle, bashing each other,

1137
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: bashing the governor, and you just get this huge micro

1138
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: dose of how divided we are and the reason we're

1139
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: in the situation we're in. And it does nothing but

1140
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: bring me pain. And I thought i'd be able to

1141
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: get information from it that would help my life. It

1142
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: has helped my life. It has only brought me sadness.

1143
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're not having one this week because our

1144
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: governor went out to hang out with the President in Washington,

1145
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: d C. So I get a week off from the

1146
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 1: press conferences, and I don't think I'm going to rejoin

1147
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: them when they come back. I am cutting the coronavirus.

1148
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm just cutting it. Did you just fix everything? Yeah?

1149
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: I just fixed that. I'm cutting the coronavirus. Sorry, you're

1150
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: you're You're out. We don't want to you know what.

1151
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: I thought about it for five months and I've seen enough.

1152
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: You're out of here. Yeah, yeah, dude, you are permanently.

1153
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: You're a per persona non grata. Get the hell out,

1154
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: Take your hat, your actually, don't even take your hat

1155
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: coat and leave. We will mail it to you. I

1156
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: he that's all um. Next thing up, usc USC here's

1157
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: the tweet breaking All fall classes will begin online at

1158
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: you sc provost has announced in a university wide email. Windsday.

1159
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: Students are advised to remain home until USC Housing Services

1160
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: permission from the l A Public Health to move in

1161
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: new Fall residents and I just found it interesting. So

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01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: online if you're freshman, if you are a freshman or

1163
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: a sophomore at USC, you need to un enroll your

1164
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: ass from that college and enroll in the University of

1165
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 1: the red Lands or something where you're not gonna be

1166
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: spending fifty dollars to be on your computer. That's if

1167
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: you're a junior senior. I am sorry, but I'm not

1168
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: I could not pay full price for to go online.

1169
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: No way, Hell no, dude, that's that's that's insanity. But

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01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: the but the question is, though USC uc AL and

1171
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: CAW can't even throw balls right now, the the uh,

1172
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: the athletic directors and the presidents have come out with

1173
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: statements saying that their Week one game probably ain't happening

1174
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: with the Pack twelve schedule. So with that being said,

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: if they're week one game ain't happening, Week two games

1176
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: ain't happening either, So dude, why are we waiting? Because

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: the the n C Double A is clearly playing chicken

1178
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: with the divisions they the Division two has canceled their championships,

1179
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: and instead of doing the right thing, the n C

1180
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: Double A's like, yeah, no, we will wait on you

1181
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: guys to cancel, and the conversation is like, hell, no

1182
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: them some we are waiting on you, buddy. So decentralized

1183
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: leadership nobody. We pick leaders, we pay leaders, and they

1184
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: don't lead. Even if they're wrong, at least they're moving

1185
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: their feet. But in our leaders do not move their feet,

1186
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: not all the way. That D two championship thing is

1187
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: is an enormous bummer. But they're gonna have to tell

1188
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: these D two schools to shut it down because I

1189
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: know the r MAC they got what nine of their

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01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: schools are just in Colorado. To them, they're not gonna

1191
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: have a problem making this work. Yep, some of them.

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01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 1: Some of them said already said we're playing like yeah, God,

1193
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: bro like this this is just like we were just

1194
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: shoveling around pieces on the Titanic. We are we would

1195
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: it piss you off? Because six of the FCS UM

1196
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: conferences have moved to spring, which means there's not gonna

1197
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: be a true FCS championship in unless the rest do it.

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: The Big Sky, which is out you know, Sacramento State

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01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: and a U Montana, Montana State. We were all that

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01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: they're out here and they're still playing on a having

1201
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: a season. Um, would it piss you off if they

1202
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: decided to move to Spring, which all of a sudden

1203
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: would mean that there's no competition for them as far

1204
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 1: as Teleri Sports and the Big Sky was able to

1205
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: strike a deal with Apple or something. How mad would

1206
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: you be? How mad would you be if because because

1207
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: the FCS moved to Spring, that they got the deal

1208
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 1: that the Pack twelve couldn't work out? No, I won't

1209
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: even I would note that as a as a possibility.

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: I won't. Um. The SEC has A ten plus as

1211
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: a ten game format, all conference Big ten, All conference

1212
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: ten games, A C C ten ten plus one. Whoever

1213
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: the hell that they're gonna play of the Pack twelve

1214
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: ten games Big twelve nine plus one? All right, who

1215
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: the hell are you gonna play with your plus one eight?

1216
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: Here's here, here's where it gets funny. The A, A

1217
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: C the group of five eight plus four, some belt

1218
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: eight plus four, some belt eight plus to compress USA

1219
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: eight plus four at least be what you was gonna

1220
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: have some choices. Yukon canceled. That's not helpful, for they

1221
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: probably could have made a game against a lot of

1222
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: those people. But they're done. They're they're calling it. Yeah,

1223
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: this is craziness, bro, this is absolute craziness. So I

1224
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: sold the So the question about you USC is because

1225
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: they're in a semester system, they've already had an outbreak

1226
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: on Greek Row. Do you believe that them being because

1227
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: because if we go back, Larry Scott said if there

1228
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: aren't in person classes, that's gonna shut the season down.

1229
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: Do we we remember he said that USC is starting

1230
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: all online. You have the quarter system schools Oregon, Washington,

1231
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: a few others that don't start for another eight weeks.

1232
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: How did this work? How does this work? Ralph? Because

1233
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: because you already told us if there are no in

1234
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: person glasses, season shut down. I don't think it does

1235
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: work the way if you're if you're saying that that's

1236
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: gonna be the case, then that's not gonna work. That's

1237
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: that's as simple as I can put it. If that's

1238
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: gonna if the conference isn't gonna turn around and say, oh, well,

1239
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: you know, we actually found a way that makes sense.

1240
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: Um and the students being on campus, isolated away from

1241
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: the rest of their classmates actually makes them more safe,

1242
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: which is a is you know, who knows how true

1243
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: that is. But you could paint that picture and put

1244
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: some logic behind it if you wanted to. Who knows.

1245
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they could still make it work. But if

1246
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna hold hard and fast, that it's not gonna happen,

1247
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: because you're gonna have a lot of students who just

1248
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: elect to go online, and you know it's it's gonna

1249
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: be a real different situation. Man. We we have a

1250
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 1: problem as a society in which there were two ways

1251
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: to handle this pandemic. One was to lean into it

1252
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: and the other was to completely shut down and work together.

1253
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: We did neither one of those things. We took an

1254
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: in between approach and then we let everybody have a voice.

1255
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: And because we've taken it in between approach and let

1256
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: everybody have a voice, we have a subset of the

1257
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: population that is very scared and is not going to

1258
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: leave their home or participate until something changes, i e.

1259
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: A vaccine. And we have a huge subset of the

1260
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: population that has not changed one iota of their behavior.

1261
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: The only places that they've neglected to go are places

1262
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: that have been closed because the government said they had

1263
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: to close. Otherwise those people would have been there. A

1264
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: lot of those people have some suspect beliefs about the

1265
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: motivation of the people that are in charge due to

1266
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: this pandemic or the pandemic in general. UM and those

1267
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: two parties have way too much sway over what's going

1268
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: on right now when the when when everybody else is

1269
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: just sitting around doing what they can, following the guide

1270
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: lines and staying home when they can, but will participate

1271
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: in society when they are allowed to do so. If

1272
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: you had taken one of the two routes, then we'd

1273
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: be in a different situation right now. We might be

1274
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: able to have football. Definitely if you had said the

1275
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: virus is the virus, We're gonna isolate the sick, We're

1276
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna go for your herd immunity the way that like

1277
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: a Sweden did. And definitely if you were like, hey,

1278
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: just like South Korea, everybody pulled together, that's what we're

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01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: gonna do, UM, we we'd be in good shape. Instead,

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01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: we're in the shape we're in now. Doesn't feel like

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01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: there's a return from it unless someone is gonna lead,

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01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: and there's been no leadership. If somebody steps in and says, hey,

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01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: we're back to the starting point, we're gonna do one

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01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: of these two things. We're gonna kick this virus as asked,

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01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: No one's willing to do that. Therefore, we're all living

1286
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: in fear and waiting for the other shoe to drop constantly,

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01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: and that other shoe is going to be the pact

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01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: well saying there is no football in fall, and I

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01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: think that is coming, but it's not gonna come into

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01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: timely matter, and it's gonna be like three weeks from

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01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 1: now and then Friday at two am, you know when

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01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: when we're all sort of resigned to the fact that

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01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: you know things things are not going well, it's gonna

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01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: come later than anybody you know wants it to. And

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01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: that's frustrating that there's nothing more I can say about that. Buddy,

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01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: you are under presented right on all of that. Um,

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01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to our reviews in a second, because

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01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: Ralph absolutely this is his favorite segment of the entire show,

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01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: and we hope that it is your favorite segment of

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01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: the entire show as well. Is the reviews, and well,

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01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: uh there we did get an email as well. Yeah,

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01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: just the email is crucial. The email is crucial, and

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01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 1: we already messed up in this podcast by doing something

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01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: that he didn't want us to do. So this is

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01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: from our friend's soul cat He says, alright, fellas, the

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01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 1: last time we spoke, I wasn't that mad, Ralph, Ralph.

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01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: The important part, I think you have to read the

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01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: subject of the email. The subject of the email is

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01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: listen up. Okay, listen up. That's theme, yes, he says,

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01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: so here we go. Last week's podcast was absolute garbage.

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01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: The sound quality on Georgians on Georgie's enn was horrific.

1312
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're prepping dinner or washing dishes.

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01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: After one mark, I opted out of finishing the episode. Secondly,

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01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 1: I found this podcast because it was about the Pack twelve.

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01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: I normally tune in for PAC twelve football only and

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01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: bypass other sports. But if I have to listen to

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01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: your new segment on cut one, sit one, bench one um,

1318
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: which yeah, I think he intentionally got that wrong, just

1319
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: to throw shade that is directed towards candy bars or etcetera,

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01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: I'll probably stop listening until the football season arrives. Hearing

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01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: this uh segment makes it sound like you're running out

1322
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: of material. Trust me, we're we're not um. But it

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01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: was just that was the part that was funny. I

1324
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 1: was like, we're literally now running out of material. We

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01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: were told to lighten up, and so anyway, we're just

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01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: trying to follow your advice. See, this is what happens

1327
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 1: when you listen to too many people, decentralized leadership, too

1328
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 1: many voices speaking into the situation. Normally, the football discussions

1329
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: keep me awake while I drive at three am. But

1330
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: I was so piste off by listening to this energy

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01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: to keep me going. And I don't care if Ralph

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01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: watches whatever movie you two mentioned either if you keep

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01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: that segment, make it football related. If I had a

1334
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: Twitter or wherever you go for star ratings, the last

1335
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: two episodes would have been a one star. Henceforth, I

1336
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: have two words for the show, for you to be better.

1337
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: And you know what, George, I'm gonna bring this back

1338
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: around to the initial point that I made, because he

1339
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: would have given this podcast one star if it was

1340
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: only about your sound quality. And that's something that you

1341
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: and I have the ability to fix in and something

1342
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: we have the ability to address. And there was uniformity

1343
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: in the feedback that we got over the last two

1344
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,560
Speaker 1: weeks about the sound quality on your rent, So that

1345
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: just wanted to blame me. I love it, but you

1346
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: know what he did. He threw in all this other

1347
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: garbage and so he's not gonna get what he wants.

1348
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: We already did start one sit one cup one. So

1349
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: this is just like the we are united thing. He

1350
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: had a point, he had a valid point, but he

1351
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: went too far with it and now he gets nothing. Sorry,

1352
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: sold Cat, Hi, you know what, I'm not sorry, not

1353
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, So read soul Cat second email. Okay,

1354
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: Also listen up part two. Also, I know there are

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01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: many typos and grammar issues in my email. I was

1356
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: up for forty two hours straight and not functioning well.

1357
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: Feel free to make fun of me if you choose to.

1358
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: I just didn't enjoy rereading my email and looking so illiterate. Dude,

1359
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: I just gotta trip my side forty two hours, bro,

1360
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: I haven't binged forty two hours since I was playing

1361
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: playing poker. Can you imagine like he sent us that

1362
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: email after being up forty two hours? Many now mad?

1363
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: You have to be well. The best part is part

1364
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: of the reason he said he was able to stay

1365
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,560
Speaker 1: up is because of how piste off we made him. Congratulations,

1366
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: you're still alive because of the back twelve apostles or

1367
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: or or that happened like twelve hours in and it

1368
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: made him stay up another thirty because he was so

1369
01:26:55,680 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: piste off. Part. If you feedback, send it to I'm

1370
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: mad at Unafraid show dot com, which never has there

1371
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: been a more appropriate feedback email address than for our

1372
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: friend soul Cat, who I hope drive safe and continues

1373
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: to listen. And we will provide the sound quality so

1374
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: that you can hear our garbage takes for more clarity. Okay, okay,

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01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 1: l oh my god, Okay, now what what are the

1376
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 1: rest of the reviews? Well? On the review end didn't

1377
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 1: go well. We got our friend New England Devil, who

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01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: we we interact with regularly on social media. He made

1379
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: me legitimately mad today though, and I think yesterday I

1380
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 1: think I'm just being moody. Um, but New England Devil

1381
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: got on my nerves, which he will do sometimes. But

1382
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: also I couldn't imagine life on Twitter without him, So

1383
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: shout out to New England Devil. He said, great show,

1384
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: great personalities, real talk packed well. Life relegated from a

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01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: five star to a four star star content, one star

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01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: sound quality. What is going on George, Well, answer me

1387
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: this answer at least into the question of what you

1388
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:15,799
Speaker 1: were doing. I was doing what I always do, dude. Okay,

1389
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: so it was recording, I addressed it. It was recording

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01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: the sound from my computer instead of my four hunded

1391
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: dollar microphone. What I mean, what sound? Does your computer

1392
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: make the same sound as like a ninety three buick

1393
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: with with no break pads Um. The title of this

1394
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: next review is so long that I don't know what

1395
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: it actually says. It has said had me listening for

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01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: a while until a s U neg I'm assuming that's negativity. Uh,

1397
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: get you to the show. Okay, new to the show

1398
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: the last five months. Great duo conversations and subject matter

1399
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: pertaining to Pactel's words. However, a s U football time

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01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: and time again receives very little respect and is rated

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01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: as a Tier two or three team, even though they

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01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: have beaten Oregon last year in Michigan State two years

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01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 1: in a row. A s U is not a top

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01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: five national program, yet it is certainly a team in

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01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve that deserves more respect and praise than

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01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: other teams like Oregon and USC deserves it so deserves

1407
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 1: more respect in Oregon and USC. You guys can do better.

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01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: For Herman Jaden Daniels, I'll let you speak on it,

1409
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: and then I'll say what I have to say. First

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01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: of all, g T f O h uh Arizona Star.

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01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: Arizona State is a legitimate Pac twelve team. You do

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01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: have to give them credit for beating Michigan State and

1413
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: beating Oregon, Like, I don't know what you want like

1414
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: we I wrote an article on Upraised show saying that

1415
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels was the future to Pack twelve. I mean

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01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: he's good. Arizona State is also in a position where

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01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: they are not ready to compete for a Pack twelve

1418
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: championship or a national championship. Oregon is, Washington is closer.

1419
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean USC has more talent. I'm sorry. Like that

1420
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: doesn't diminish Arizona State. And there they are on the come,

1421
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Like they are on They are moving in the right direction.

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01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 1: They are about four to five recruiting classes away from

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01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: being a a top tier team. They are moved, They've

1424
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 1: gotten big commitments. All of that. You have to give

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01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: them credit. But let's not. I don't even know what

1426
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: this is. I love you e E right though I

1427
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: appreciate your review. What what what do you want me

1428
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: to tell you? I'll say this, Um, this podcast is

1429
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: called Pack twelve Apostles, right, so we're the people who

1430
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: follow the PAC twelve supposed to be creative name. Um,

1431
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: but you know it's biblical. It's a biblical reference, and

1432
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: there was an apostle whom Jesus loved. Most scholars believe

1433
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: that that was a reference to John. And in this

1434
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: metaphor illustration that I'm painting, George, I guess that would

1435
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: make you Jesus. And the apostle whom you love is Oregon,

1436
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: and I think you probably also have an inner circle

1437
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: of U. C. L A and Cattle and so, I

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01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: mean it's very possible that anybody who's a fan of

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01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:40,919
Speaker 1: any of those other teams would look at, uh, everybody

1440
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: else to you is a tier two or Tier three apostle.

1441
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 1: And you have thrown some shade at Arizona State in

1442
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: podcasts past. But at the same time, I do think

1443
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: that the criticism is unwarranted for all of the reasons

1444
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 1: that you mentioned and end, because they I mean, they're

1445
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: also he pointed out, they're not a top five team.

1446
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: They seven wins in the regular season, like five out

1447
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 1: of the last six years or something like that. So

1448
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: uh there. They have the potential to be huge their

1449
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: middle of the road as it goes so far, even

1450
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 1: though they've had some very big moments, including Daniels to

1451
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: Ayuk to knock Oregon out of National Championship contention. Hurt you,

1452
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just referencing the review. Is the thing

1453
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 1: that happened who hurt you? In the conference we cover

1454
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 1: that was made reference to in this kind person's review,

1455
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: which we hope you will switch to a five star

1456
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: after our explanation in the last review of the week

1457
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: from friend of Hank normally an enjoyable podcast is the

1458
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 1: title so thank you. I guess the sound quality is

1459
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: so poor I can't listen to the whole podcast. Are

1460
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: you doing dishes? George? It sucked? I'm sorry, what more

1461
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,719
Speaker 1: do you? I'm like, Tyree's what more do you want

1462
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: for me? You're taking a bigger beating than I've been

1463
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: mine from two weeks ago when I had to use

1464
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: my wife's headset. It sounded like and dude, it's probably

1465
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: because they expect five star out of me and they

1466
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: expect four star out of you. So you know, so

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01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: you know what though, because I'm not competitive doesn't bother

1468
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: me at all. Oh oh so, and you know that

1469
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: we are supposed to you totally forgot about this last episode.

1470
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 1: We're supposed to rate each other on the episode. So

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01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: how would now that we're done recording the episode, what

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01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: rating would you give the episode? If of our like

1473
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: us or just you us? Okay, I think that this

1474
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 1: is a this was a four star episode. I think

1475
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: that because for me, there's no we're not talking about

1476
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: our strength and if people haven't had a chance to

1477
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: listen to us and we actually get to talk about

1478
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 1: the games, I think that's our strength. I think that's

1479
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: where we have the most fun. I think that's where

1480
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: we have the best chemistry. And so I think we're

1481
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: limited in what we're able to do with the material

1482
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: that we're given. Um. And also, how how are you

1483
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: going to split that four stars up? Bro? Well, you're

1484
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: you're wrong about the we are united stuff. However, you're

1485
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: much more credible having lived out that situation and people

1486
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: are not going to tune in to hear my opinion

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Speaker 1: on why the players are wrong. Um, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that that's the driving force here. So I'd say this

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Speaker 1: is it's probably two and a half to one and

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Speaker 1: a half advantage you. Okay, Um, I would I would

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Speaker 1: absolutely say this was a five star episode. Five star.

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Speaker 1: I mean they got heated passion which they don't normally get.

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Speaker 1: You mean, an argument between Ralph and George and almost

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Speaker 1: fought you from from from from a down amounts and

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Speaker 1: and also but I would have to rate this of

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Speaker 1: five stars, and you know I've for four to one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I carried you through this whole episode.

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Speaker 1: They carried you through this entire episode, and you were

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Speaker 1: totally young about the fact. If you're giving us a

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Speaker 1: five star because they got to see passion and conflict,

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Speaker 1: and if I would have agreed with you, it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been a five star podcast. So you're saying, you're

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Speaker 1: saying that if I would have agreed with you, it

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Speaker 1: just would have been four stars on your end and

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Speaker 1: none on mine. No, it doesn't make know. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: just what you said today. I'm saying that you were

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Speaker 1: so wrong today, Ralph, that like I had to carry

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Speaker 1: you through the podcast, so you know that we would

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Speaker 1: lose credibility if if I weren't so right today. So

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Speaker 1: four stars one star equals five star and and you're

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Speaker 1: not competitive, so you so you don't care, right, I'm

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Speaker 1: not clenching my job right now, have any fine? I

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Speaker 1: told you you're Ralf so competitive. Thank you, guys, we're

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Speaker 1: listening to the back twelve Apostles podcast. We appreciate your time,

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Speaker 1: appreciate your energy. Make sure that you leave a five

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Speaker 1: star review or criticize Ralph and and leave anything else. Um,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate your time, appreciate your energy to catch you

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Speaker 1: guys next episode. And we know that now that we

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Speaker 1: finished recording, something amazing will will break in the next

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Speaker 1: tey four hours. So we what we get pleas out