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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barria, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily, presented by

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Speaker 1: Bally Beck, an official sports betting partner of your Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Brown's on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. He are your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Let's are live on a first Friday, a miracle edition

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Speaker 2: of the program. Merely bow and look who's here.

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Speaker 3: He's back baby. Look at the glow.

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Speaker 2: God, you just emanate just warmth and love just emanates

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Speaker 2: from your from your.

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Speaker 4: Every poor felt good to be in the sun. I

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Speaker 4: can tell you that that was right up to a

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Speaker 4: rude it and coming back. But yeah, it's great, great

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Speaker 4: time down there. Of course, when I go to Florida,

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Speaker 4: as everybody listens to Monday Show knows, if I go

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Speaker 4: to Florida, it's obviously something's gonna go down and I

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Speaker 4: will call in, which I which I did. I got

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Speaker 4: to see a video of Gibbet struggling to know if

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Speaker 4: he was on air or not, which brought me great joy.

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Speaker 4: Although I did have one thing to say, so like

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Speaker 4: for a long time, one of the things that's really

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Speaker 4: touched me in my life is way warmed it's really warm,

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Speaker 4: warmed my heart, and you know, speaks to I think

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Speaker 4: our friendship and our mutual respect and admiration.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: You always lead off the show I'm merely Bo, the

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Speaker 4: Great Z, and I'm always like, no, you're You're better

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Speaker 4: than merely Bo. And you know, we push back and

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Speaker 4: go back and forth, but it's wonderful. And I was like,

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Speaker 4: I really did think that the Great followed by Z

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Speaker 4: was for me. And then before you turn in and

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Speaker 4: I see it's Bo and the Great Gibbet.

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Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta coach him up. That's a big

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Speaker 2: show that he and I were having to do. I gotta,

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Speaker 2: I gotta get him, but you're ten feet tall and bulletproof.

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Speaker 2: I gotta have him. It's just like coaching little kids.

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Speaker 2: You got to get him fearless. I would have liked

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Speaker 2: I had an amazing Gibbet. I had to have him fearless.

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Speaker 2: And I like the alliteration of gg. So there's that.

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Speaker 5: Part of it.

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Speaker 2: I thought I thought that could play into the alliteration.

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Speaker 2: Certainly helped, but no, I needed him. I needed him

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Speaker 2: believing he was you.

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Speaker 6: I mean, because I figured I thirty seconds and have

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Speaker 6: us in meetings for the rest of the day and

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Speaker 6: potentially be unemployed by the Yeah, he.

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Speaker 2: Had me for fifteen minutes, showing him out done right there,

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Speaker 2: right back, right back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, from a sun kissed a sun kissed beach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I actually had to walk away. Miss Kay documented it

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Speaker 4: as she does of me. I was some awning somewhere

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Speaker 4: on the focus. I'll tell you what, seventy five in

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Speaker 4: the directions. Now there's actually pretty hot.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you're near the equator.

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Speaker 4: It's more so than brother, certainly significantly more so than

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Speaker 4: walking back.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, well you just stepped off the plane into

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Speaker 5: the jet way back here.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the most sobering. That's one of the

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Speaker 2: more sobering, like uh, personal chemical reactions you have is

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Speaker 2: coming back from someplace warm to some place like this

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Speaker 2: this time of year, and you and I've had this discussion.

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Speaker 2: Is it better to have never gone and don't know

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Speaker 2: what you're missing and just pedal to the metal and

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Speaker 2: go through it.

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Speaker 3: The answer I agree is no.

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Speaker 2: But there is something about landing at Hopkins and if

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Speaker 2: it's at night feeling the cold, or if it's in

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Speaker 2: the day and feeling the cold and.

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Speaker 3: The lack of sun that you just go, God.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's the worst is normal.

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Speaker 4: When you come back down through the clouds and then

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Speaker 4: you see like gray snow covered tundra on you're like,

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Speaker 4: oh my goodness. So at least, thanks the wonderful delay

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Speaker 4: from Frontier that we landed in the darkness.

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Speaker 5: So it wasn't until you really stepped I believe. So

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Speaker 5: here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: So now I guess if it's a three hour delay,

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Speaker 4: you get some type of compensation.

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Speaker 5: So at like two hours.

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Speaker 4: And fifty something minutes is what in my back and

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Speaker 4: forth with somebody from Frontier was That's how the delay were,

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Speaker 4: except we pushed back from the gate and then we

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Speaker 4: so that's what it really went over three hours. They're there,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna argue semantics. They they don't I paid for

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Speaker 4: an exit row seat. They changed planes. The guy in

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Speaker 3: Seat slightly different.

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Speaker 5: They're like, oh, yeah, you.

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Speaker 4: Get refund And I'm like, I told you, guys, I said, hey,

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Speaker 4: I got this. He goes, I don't know, Yeah, what

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Speaker 4: are you gonna do. Okay, how are you gonna get

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I had made the vow after they

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Speaker 4: cost us thousands of dollars and on our Disney trip

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Speaker 4: and really that's the one where we were on the

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Speaker 4: plane r take off and they were like, actually, there's

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Speaker 4: no pilot here. The pilot never made it, so you

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Speaker 4: guys gotta get off, or he'd flown too many hours

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Speaker 4: or whatever it was whatever, and they're like, it was

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Speaker 5: I want to say, like, oh, yeah, we can.

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Speaker 4: The next time we can get you guys to Orlando

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Speaker 4: is is Tuesday. We're like, we had a five day

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Speaker 4: vacation that's booked, parks.

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Speaker 5: All of hotel, all of it.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you know how Disney works,

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Speaker 2: but it's not free. No, they don't. Just you're you're

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Speaker 2: supposed to get me there. They didn't, so I tried

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Speaker 2: to be done with them. It was the only NonStop,

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Speaker 2: the NonStop. There's there's obviously a financial benefit usually with them,

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Speaker 2: not as much as it used to be, but there

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Speaker 2: is a little and there's a direct flight nature to it.

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Speaker 3: So you're gonna be wooed back.

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Speaker 2: In because guess what, we have no options there's like

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Speaker 2: do the game of like go to our airport and

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Speaker 2: go show me all the places I can fly direct.

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Speaker 3: Ain't much, not much, not much. There was a time when.

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Speaker 4: I moved here when it was the continental hub for

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Speaker 4: the in the wayback machine was glorious. And then even

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Speaker 4: for a short time we were a United hub. Now

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Speaker 4: you look at that concourse D and you say, those

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Speaker 4: used to be regional jets that were taking NonStop pretty

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Speaker 4: much anywhere you wanted, up and down the Eastern Seaboard.

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Speaker 5: No longer, no longer no.

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Speaker 2: Outside looking in great trip though, good for you, incredible

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Speaker 2: to like, what's going on with this elbow?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't like how you're I don't

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Speaker 5: like this. I don't know this seems like.

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Speaker 2: The problem is is when you're our age and you

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Speaker 2: get something no idea, You're like, what could I have done?

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Speaker 4: And I was doing close script bench and it just

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Speaker 4: kind of felt a little funny, And then sometimes it

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Speaker 4: feels like nothing there.

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Speaker 5: That's fine, who knows, this.

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Speaker 3: Is what happens.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna I'm not worried about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so pretty wild Monday, though, to have my flown

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Speaker 4: blowing up and they're like, oh man, what are you thinking?

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Speaker 5: Like what do I think about? What I was Monday

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Speaker 5: of Super Bowl Week.

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Speaker 4: I was not expecting the Miles Garrett bomb to drop,

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Speaker 4: which it certainly did, and you know, we covered it

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Speaker 4: and I'm sure we'll cover it some more.

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Speaker 2: But so last night we're at dinner and Beamsy goes,

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett was traded to the Bears, and I go.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's accurate. I think I would know.

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Speaker 2: I know we had a lot going on in the afternoon,

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Speaker 2: but I think I would know if Miles was traded

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Speaker 2: to the Bears. And he and I said, where'd you

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Speaker 2: even hear that? And he goes, Bootsy told me so,

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Speaker 2: I go, Bootsy, where did you get that Miles was

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Speaker 2: traded to the Bears? He goes, I saw it on YouTube?

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Speaker 2: And I went, you saw who from who? And this

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Speaker 2: is the world we live in now. To them, there

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Speaker 2: is no difference between Stitch or Squad or John or

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Speaker 2: whoever's doing these things on YouTube and Adam Schefter, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the same. To them, there's no difference. They can't differentiate.

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Speaker 2: They see something now. I think Orlovsky put it in

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Speaker 2: like a hypothetical like Bears number ten thirty nine and

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Speaker 2: forty one from Miles. I think he put something like

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Speaker 2: that out. So my guess is what happens having three

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Speaker 2: it into this is what it would look like. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: turn it into content on YouTube. But they can't tell

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Speaker 2: what do them and like my dad's generation have in common.

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Speaker 3: They believe everything they read on the internet, they both do.

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Speaker 2: It comes full circle meantime, like when the same thing

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Speaker 2: with the Luca trade on Saturday. Like when I saw

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Speaker 2: that in the it's five point thirty in the morning, Saturday,

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Speaker 2: Sunday morning, I'm like verifying please aviators, Yeah, aviators for

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Speaker 2: the walk pop collar business.

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Speaker 5: Business. Yes, business running a business, running a business.

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Speaker 4: I heard he's even taking shots at me yesterday in

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in the big meetings. But I would take

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Speaker 2: the people who told you their word for it that

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Speaker 2: just look for the check and.

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Speaker 3: Then you're good.

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Speaker 2: But now you can't do that anymore because the check,

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Speaker 2: because the check can be purchased, so there's no way

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Speaker 2: you stand for on it. So you got it's it's

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Speaker 2: a tricky thing to try and track down misinformation. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was that was last night at dinner.

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Speaker 3: Was that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So there you go, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's good to have you back.

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Speaker 4: It's good to be back. Great to be back. I

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Speaker 4: will say, let me kind of look through this. This

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Speaker 4: where we got we've got the all right, we got

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Speaker 4: our first by the way, shout out to g Man,

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Speaker 4: and I thought, you know, we gave them some good direction.

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Speaker 5: But we're gonna go through.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna take a look at basically every team in

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Speaker 4: the league and let you know where they stand as

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Speaker 4: you get ready for the draft and and free agency

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Speaker 4: and all that, which I think is gonna be a

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Speaker 4: lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: We've got this where's the Jordan Reid quarterback stuff? It's

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Speaker 2: in here higher or lower. Okay, give some thoughts. Then

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Speaker 2: you have some time to give some thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I spent I spent here. I'll show this

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Speaker 5: to you.

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Speaker 4: So I spent my flights down, my flight's back, which

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Speaker 4: was an ample amount of time on the plane back, uh,

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Speaker 4: and went through, as you can see, some copious notes

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Speaker 4: we've got here on both.

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Speaker 5: I did cam Ward and Shador.

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Speaker 4: I got notes, I got break plays, I got it

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Speaker 3: He went to Colorado. You want to talk about gamble,

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Speaker 4: He's probably starting corner in one team's returner and the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we'll do the mock draft with Jordan Reid.

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Speaker 5: I just I think that's he definitely does. Yeah, So

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Speaker 4: Shador arm seems good enough to make any NFL throw,

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Speaker 5: There like third and thirty seven.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, accuracy that he just didn't get him

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Speaker 2: So the reason for that is it's the hardest thing

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Because offensive line is going to be the only position

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Speaker 4: They're not, dude, not even not real I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: Okay, accuracy, very accurate, even in the tight windows. Not

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Speaker 4: He had four players that he actually he would he

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Speaker 4: Nine to nine percent of times seemed like the ball

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Speaker 4: when the pocket has moved naturally rolling right, rolling left,

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Speaker 4: waggles all that, and you think about ours doing the

440
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Speaker 4: Stefanski wide zone play action. But he's gonna be so

441
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Speaker 4: comfortable in that. And he did some of that with

442
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Speaker 4: Pat Sherman out of the shotgun more or out of

443
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Speaker 4: like the pistol where they he'd go this way and

444
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Speaker 4: then you know, boot around Lamar style. But was very

445
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Speaker 4: comfortable doing that. He I mean clutch on third downs.

446
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Speaker 4: Definitely makes some incredible play on third downs where he

447
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 4: gets away from one guy, breaks it out, buys time,

448
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Speaker 4: and then makes a ridiculous throw. I thought he I

449
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Speaker 4: was much more impressed than I thought I was gonna be, honestly,

450
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Speaker 4: much more impressed. Can handle RPO stuff. If you want

451
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Speaker 4: to do that, he did it. There was one or

452
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Speaker 4: was I talking about? Oh, play number forty three against Baylor.

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Speaker 4: They're down fourteen in the two minute drill play forty two.

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Speaker 4: He throws a great seamball of the back shoulder away

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Speaker 4: from the safety, get a big gain on second and

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Speaker 4: twenty down fourteen, and then on third and three, gets

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Speaker 4: away from an unblocked rusher, goes to the right drills four,

458
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Speaker 4: gets out hits number four who actually breaks the tackle

459
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Speaker 4: took to the house to make it twenty four to seventeen.

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Speaker 4: He made that play and give him the circumstances. It

461
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Speaker 4: was a monster, monster play. There was one I took

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Speaker 4: pictures of in that game where he throws a ball

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Speaker 4: in time he threw it. I was like, I don't

464
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Speaker 4: even know who he's throwing this to. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 4: was Hunter. He throws it from the fifty the receivers

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Speaker 4: on the thirty five when he throws it with five

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Speaker 4: defenders there, but he just knew where they were going

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Speaker 4: in the zones and where Hunter was going. And a

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Speaker 4: Hunter catches it on the ten like just unbelievable anticipation

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Speaker 4: and he's just he's a stut on seventy nine, he'd

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Speaker 4: been sacked five plays in a row. On the next one,

472
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Speaker 4: he stands right there with a free rusher and gets

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Speaker 4: it down to Hunter for a big PI. Just leader

474
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Speaker 4: Winner falls on the ball when it's knocked out of

475
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Speaker 4: his hands, able to like push his running back in

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Speaker 4: the end zone and overtime in that Baylor game, I.

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Speaker 5: Just was very impressed, so very impressed.

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Speaker 4: And I think at our offense in particular, I think

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Speaker 4: he's going to be very good.

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Speaker 2: His football IQ is pretty off the charts. His acory's

481
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Speaker 2: off the charts.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's why it really bugged me when I would hear

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Speaker 2: people say, oh, this isn't there are no elite traits.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, no, no, there are.

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Speaker 2: So Everything that you saw on film, much of that

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Speaker 2: is stuff that I've talked about with him, because I've

488
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Speaker 2: watched them play probably eight ten times this year and

489
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Speaker 2: probably fifteen times the last two years, just because they

490
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Speaker 2: were fun to watch and their offense is fun to watch.

491
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Speaker 2: But what I think what you said, which I thought

492
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Speaker 2: was so interesting because it pushes back to I think

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Speaker 2: it's a direct pushback to the notion of the circus.

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Speaker 2: Because as you were saying that, as you were talking

495
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Speaker 2: about him getting hit and you wrote nobody, no bad

496
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Speaker 2: body language, I thought about all the times I've watched

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Speaker 2: him play the last two years. I don't remember him

498
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Speaker 2: ever spiking a ball in frustration after getting sacked. I

499
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Speaker 2: don't remember him ever going like this, or like pointing

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Speaker 2: at somebody like what were you doing? Like nothing, he

501
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Speaker 2: just gets back up. There's there's no bad body line

502
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Speaker 2: throw people under the bus ever.

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Speaker 4: He could have done that against Nebraska, but just fight

504
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Speaker 4: in the Baylor one. The fact to me, after he

505
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Speaker 4: took five straight sacks and then he stood there and

506
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Speaker 4: took a monster hit he could have on the next one,

507
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Speaker 4: just been like f this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not No, he stands tough and did so with

509
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Speaker 2: one of the worst offensive lines in college football and

510
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Speaker 2: no run game. No, they don't even there's not even

511
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Speaker 2: a sense of all we gotta worry about now. They

512
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Speaker 2: got Dallan Hayden from Ohio State. They could never get

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Speaker 2: him going at the run four, so they tried to

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Speaker 2: get him going.

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Speaker 5: It never happened.

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Speaker 3: They just could get it going.

517
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Speaker 2: But so even like when they ears pinback knowing even

518
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Speaker 2: pop passes to Travis Hunter, they never were able to

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Speaker 2: block those well enough.

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Speaker 5: I mean it was rare that he was able to do.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of the time throwing the football,

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Speaker 2: throwing the football down the field. I mean, he had

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Speaker 2: a There's nothing gimmick about what he does. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: gimmicky about.

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Speaker 5: It against Baylor. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If you watch this game against Baylor, on the last

527
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Speaker 4: drive of overt regulation, they're down, they're down seven. Starts

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Speaker 4: off with the one where he gets the PI to

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Speaker 4: Hunter on the next play, he's stripped because the guy's

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Speaker 4: unblocked off the edge on the backside as he's throwing,

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Speaker 4: pushes the lineman away and dives on the ball to

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Speaker 4: get it down seven less two MutS. He doesn't get

533
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Speaker 4: that ball game over, he gets it himself. So now

534
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Speaker 4: it's second and twenty four. Runs for seventeen yards to

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Speaker 4: make third and manageable. Throws a pass to far hash

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Speaker 4: out for six on third and seven, makes it fourth one,

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Speaker 4: and then he sneaks. I've seen him sneak like four times,

538
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Speaker 4: always gets it good sneaker. And then play eighty seven,

539
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Speaker 4: which is the last play of regulation, is a hail Mary.

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Speaker 4: He rolls left, sprints out left, flips his hips, and

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Speaker 4: throws a fifty yard touchdown on the money to tie

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Speaker 4: the game, and then wins the game in overtime. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I was, I was very impressed, and I think that

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Speaker 4: he's got the toughness to come here. He's gonna play,

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Speaker 4: And you think about what I loved was in structure.

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Speaker 4: One of the things I do when I watch it,

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Speaker 4: and this was taught to me many years ago, when

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Speaker 4: i'd probably back in twenty fourteen. Honestly, with like Farmer

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Speaker 4: and SAgs and watching tape with all those guys. When

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Speaker 4: I'm watching a quarterback, I'll look pre snap, try to

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Speaker 4: assess the defense, try to assess what's going on with

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Speaker 4: the formations, and then kind of as the ball gets

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Speaker 4: back and he's at the top of his drop, I'll

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Speaker 4: pause it and try in my mind to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this is where the ball is going to go. And

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Speaker 4: with Shador, when I did that, that's basically the ball

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Speaker 4: went there. I mean there was one play where I

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Speaker 4: was like, I would love to watch the tape with

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Speaker 4: him and ask him why he didn't throw this. Yeah,

560
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Speaker 4: because he looks at and he doesn't throw it. But

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Speaker 4: that's that's really it. That was pay play twenty eight

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Speaker 4: on offense against Nebraska, if anybody wants to go watch

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Speaker 4: that one. But other than that, it was it was

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Speaker 4: spot on. I mean, tough decision making, accurate promotesiac with

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Speaker 4: his ball placement. I mean, it would be hard for

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Speaker 4: me to say to watch him and be like, no,

567
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Speaker 4: we couldn't win with that guy. So one of the

568
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Speaker 4: things that this is just coming from Jordan Reed, what

569
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Speaker 4: needs work needs to get the ball out quicker two

570
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Speaker 4: point nine seconds. I think it's very hard to look

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Speaker 4: at that and say and we'll.

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Speaker 5: Do we I we'll take a break, we do two

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Speaker 5: more later.

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Speaker 4: But to look at that in isolation and say, you know,

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Speaker 4: he's holding the ball. He's trying to do too much, folks.

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Speaker 4: He's running for his life. He is running for his life.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that I looked up because

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Speaker 4: I wanted to understand that is the time in the

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Speaker 4: pocket and all of those things. And you can now

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Speaker 4: at PFF, you can look at college and they have

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Speaker 4: these types of things. He got it out an under

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Speaker 4: two and a half seconds actually at a pretty high rate,

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Speaker 4: and was incredibly successful when doing so. But it was

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Speaker 4: just the fact that so many times he's running for

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Speaker 4: his life. The second basically that he gets the ball

586
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Speaker 4: that causes him to hold it. It's not like cam Ward's different,

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Speaker 4: and we'll talk about that a second.

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Speaker 5: But cam Ward he doesn't have to see it open.

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Speaker 2: Cam Ward will essue open instructure stuff to like try

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Speaker 2: to drift and he's got a rocket and then make

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Speaker 2: a huge play.

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Speaker 4: If it was their instructor or shoudre took it it.

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Speaker 4: Just a lot of times he was legit running for

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Speaker 4: his life.

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Speaker 3: So breakdown.

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Speaker 4: I'm all in. I'm all in on him at two.

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Speaker 4: It would be it would be very hard for I mean, we'll.

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Speaker 2: Do cam Ward coming up a little bit later. Your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on that incredible breakdown or to you on thank you,

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Speaker 3: What are they gonna do at number one?

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Speaker 2: Overall?

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Speaker 7: You want to get because I got a few, But.

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Speaker 5: That's where we're at, where guests work, h buddy.

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Speaker 7: No, I mean, look, they they're putting in their due diligence.

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Speaker 7: I think it is fair to say that there are

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Speaker 7: only five reasonable choices that they have right now. So

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Speaker 7: that's a little bit fewer than what you would imagine

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Speaker 7: for anyone picking below them. But look, there are the

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Speaker 7: two quarterbacks, There's Travis Hunter, there's Abdul Carter, and then

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Speaker 7: there's the trade. Anything beyond that feels like an unlikely

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Speaker 7: scenario right now. I think they are still in the

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Speaker 7: process of doing their evaluation of everybody, but especially these quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: Right now. I think they said there's a seventeen day

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Speaker 7: period starting after the end of the Senior Bowl where

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Speaker 7: they are holding themselves in a room and they are

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Speaker 7: evaluating every prospect from number one down to the udfas

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Speaker 7: and after that seventeen days, I think there's probably going

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Speaker 7: to be a better picture of what they're leaning towards.

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Speaker 7: But for now they are still in the the idea

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Speaker 7: acquisition phase, and everything from drafting the quarterback to draft

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Speaker 7: and best player available to trading out of the pick,

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Speaker 7: I think is still on the table.

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Speaker 4: What did you make of the comment that you know

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Speaker 4: they are not necessarily going to take quarterback, they'd be

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Speaker 4: open to the best player available or a generational talent.

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Speaker 4: I think was the exact words, which is thrown away

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Speaker 4: way too much. A generation should be there should be

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Speaker 4: one per generation that's a generational talent. But you know,

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Speaker 4: what do you kind of make What did you make

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Speaker 4: of that comment? Did you read anything into that or

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Speaker 4: was that posturing positioning? I mean, when you're number one,

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Speaker 4: you don't have to be secretive. You can really do

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Speaker 4: whatever you want because nobody can.

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Speaker 5: Stop I would.

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Speaker 7: I mean the cynical side of my brain says you

657
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 7: say that to keep as much leverage as possible for

658
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 7: teams that want to move up, Like I don't know

659
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 7: if it actually does play in effect, but if you say,

660
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 7: oh no, we're pretty much only going to use the

661
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 7: pick if we like a quarterback, then that takes away

662
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 7: some of your leverage to get a better deal from

663
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 7: Cleveland or New York or Las Vegas or the other

664
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 7: New York or New Orleans or whoever might be wanting

665
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 7: to move up to one to get the quarterback of

666
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 7: their choice. You lose that leverage if you don't say, oh,

667
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 7: even if we don't like the quarterback, we'll pick a

668
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 7: generational talent. Because even if you have a very very

669
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 7: strict interpretation of the word generational, Travis Hunter probably fits

670
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 7: that category by the factor of it's been six generations

671
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 7: since the last time somebody tried to play one hundred

672
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 7: and twenty snaps a game like he has a generational

673
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 7: skill at the very least of nobody can play the

674
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 7: endurance game that he can play. But nevertheless, I read

675
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 7: into it saying this is a team that is course

676
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 7: directing after last year, where they have come to the

677
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 7: conclusion that one of the reasons why twenty twenty four

678
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 7: went as badly as it did is because they spent

679
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 7: the twenty twenty four off season reaching. Because you spend

680
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 7: a lot of money in free agency and you make

681
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 7: drafts for fit instead of for building for the future,

682
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 7: and you say, Okay, all of our holes are plugged.

683
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 7: We went six and eleven, We're going to be better

684
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 7: this year, and you go three and fourteen. So I

685
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 7: think that if you are course correcting and you're saying

686
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 7: the mistakes of the last two years, we're focusing too

687
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 7: much on the present and not enough on the future.

688
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 7: A team that's looking more to the future probably leans

689
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 7: talent over quarterback. But that's all to say, it's all postering.

690
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 7: If you fall in love with Cam ordor if you

691
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 7: fall in love with Shad or Sanders.

692
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that thing is. You know, it's interesting you look

693
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: at the teams that are still playing. You look at

694
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: the teams that are winning the ultimate prize of the

695
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. If you don't have that quarterback, you don't

696
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: really have anything.

697
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, do they?

698
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: Is there is there folks down there who believe that

699
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: there is a chance that Will left? Is there more

700
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: to Will Levis than we've seen in two years? What

701
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: would be the solution for them at quarterback? If not

702
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: at number one overall?

703
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 7: So it's very easy to look at connections loose or

704
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 7: strong of like, say, hey, if Matthew Stafford comes available,

705
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 7: him and Brian Callahan have a really good relationship from

706
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 7: their time together in Detroit. If Derek Carr comes available,

707
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 7: Derek Carr has worked with not as Brian Callahan in

708
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 7: the past, but also with Nick Holts, the Titans offensive coordinator,

709
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 7: and Bo Hart Agree, the Titans quarterbacks coach. Is that

710
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 7: a connection that you think, oh, that could pay off

711
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 7: you look at Sam Darnold coming available. Of realistically, there

712
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 7: are probably three teams in the NFL that have a

713
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 7: quarterback need and can afford to go after Sam Darnald

714
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 7: the SAFT season, I believe it would essentially be the Titans,

715
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 7: the Raiders, and maybe you could make a case for

716
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 7: the Giants, and then you have the Vikings if they

717
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 7: want a franchise tag him. So I think the market

718
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 7: for him actually might not be as competitive as one

719
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 7: would expect. And then obviously this is a really deep

720
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 7: year for retread quarterbacks. Of do you want to take

721
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 7: the chance on Justin Fields, Do you want to take

722
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 7: a chance on Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, et cetera, et cetera.

723
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 7: A lot of guys available this year that could theoretically

724
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 7: if you try to hit on who's going to be

725
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 7: this year, Sam Darnold, those options are there. It's like

726
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 7: I masked this out a couple of weeks ago. I've

727
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 7: got a list of twenty six guys who I think

728
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 7: could be the Titans starting quarterback next year, and I

729
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 7: think I had Will Levison, and I think I had

730
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 7: Will Levison's seventeenth place on the likelihood scale. That does

731
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 7: not mean it's not going to happen. But like if

732
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 7: you are, or maybe I shouldn't say likelihood, I'll say

733
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 7: what the team would want. Now, that doesn't mean it's

734
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 7: not going to happen. He's under contract for two more years.

735
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 7: He has not played it in the same offensive system

736
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 7: back to back years since he was a backup at

737
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 7: Penn State. It has been a long time since he's

738
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 7: gotten that opportunity. And you would hope for somebody of

739
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 7: his talent that getting a second year in a system

740
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 7: he might be able to take that step forward. But look,

741
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 7: the Titans turned the ball over thirty two times last year.

742
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 7: Teams that turn the ball over that much don't win,

743
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 7: or like the only way that you could imagine that

744
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 7: turnover rate increasing. And this isn't me making a joke.

745
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 7: This is like ver very literal research, in the last

746
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 7: ten years, teams that have turned the ball over thirty

747
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 7: two times or more in a season. The only team

748
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 7: that turned the ball over more times the next season

749
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 7: started Jameis Winston at quarterback. So short of them going

750
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 7: and getting him from Cleveland, I can't imagine they're going

751
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 7: to turn it over as much as they did. It's

752
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 7: luck based, it's tough, like turnovers are strange. But also

753
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 7: I think of every team that had that drop off,

754
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 7: ninety seven percent of them either made a change at

755
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 7: quarterback or head coach, and they didn't make a change

756
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 7: a head coach. So you kind of have to imagine

757
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 7: the quarterback change is common.

758
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: Do you get a sense and this is kind of

759
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 4: the philosophical question, right, you look at that division and

760
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: you've got now Houston's won it, you know, the last

761
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: two years they've won a playoff game. Into the last

762
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: two years, you've got Jacksonville West Trevor Lawrence. Colts have

763
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: been frisky, but they it kind of feels like they're

764
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 4: searching for a quarterback as well. Then you've got the Titans,

765
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: who were obviously under Vrabel, very very good and went

766
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: to the playoffs number one seed. One of those years

767
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 4: with Ryan Tannhill but never won a Super Bowl is

768
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: and probably because it was Ryan Tannil. Do you think

769
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: that the Tennessee just organizational philosophy is, Hey, let's get

770
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: to the point where we can win ten games, compete

771
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: for the division and be relevant every year. Or is

772
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 4: it until we have a quarterback. We have nothing and

773
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 4: we need to do everything we can do get a

774
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: quarterback that's going to be able to compete with Mahomes,

775
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: Allen Burrow, Lamar just as the top four and then

776
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 4: he get into Strouds and all of those guys. What

777
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 4: do you think most describes what the ultimate organizational goal is?

778
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 7: Well, you've hit a bit of a nerve there talking

779
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 7: about the Titans and organizational goal because there are some

780
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 7: mixed feelings, to be generous about the direct this franchise

781
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 7: is taken in the last three years and the lack

782
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 7: of patience that the organization is exhibited. It's easy to forget.

783
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 7: But week twelve or so of the twenty twenty two season,

784
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 7: the Titans weren't first place in the AFC South. They

785
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 7: were seven and four or seven and five, and they

786
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 7: fired John Robinson, their general manager mid season. In first place.

787
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 7: They proceed to lose every game for the rest of

788
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 7: the season and missed the playoffs. The next year after

789
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 7: going seven and ten. That year, they go six and eleven.

790
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 7: Fire mcfrabel. The year after that, three and fourteen first

791
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 7: pick in the draft. Fire your general manager after just

792
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 7: two years. This is a team that hasn't really settled

793
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 7: on one plan, and the hope from Titans fans is

794
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 7: obviously settle on a plan. You've got Chad Brinker in place.

795
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 7: You've got as your vice president, You've got what's his name.

796
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I was getting another call and got distracted,

797
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 7: Mike Morganzhi in place as your new general manager. You've

798
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 7: got all of these people in place that can theoretically

799
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 7: be the state being presence. But if nobody is being

800
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 7: that presence, you don't know what the philosophy is. And

801
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 7: for years, the philosophy is as simple as we've got

802
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 7: Derrick Henry and you don't. Now the Titans don't have that.

803
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 7: So if you're asking, are they waiting for a quarterback?

804
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 7: Well yes, but so are twenty nine teams in the NFL.

805
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 7: Like if you don't have one of the three or

806
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 7: four best guys you're always waiting to have one of

807
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 7: the three or four best guys. But some of the

808
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 7: issues go deeper with this team of well, if you're

809
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 7: going to struggle once and get fired for it, how

810
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 7: much leeway do you have? And until the Titans prove

811
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 7: that they are willing to kind of it with one

812
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 7: philosophy instead of changing it out every year, it's hard

813
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 7: to even make too much of a prediction about what

814
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 7: they want.

815
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 4: Right And just from looking at so Vrabel won four

816
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 4: out of his six seasons, they're at four winning seasons,

817
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 4: three playoff appearances obviously two playoff wins, all in twenty nineteen,

818
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: and they moved off of him.

819
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 5: And it was, you know, regarded obviously as a very

820
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 5: good coach. We had him here with us.

821
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: I know that a big Titans fan, Jeff Jarett, was

822
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: very sad to see Mike Rabill go. But it almost

823
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: felt to me like they're saying, Okay, that's not good enough.

824
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: We need to go to the next level. But to

825
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: do that, it has to be at the quarterback position.

826
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 4: That's the only way that you can get there. I mean,

827
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 4: it just feels pretty obvious to me, and I would

828
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 4: imagine the Titans don't want to be picking first again.

829
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 4: So if you're there, why would you not use that

830
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: asset to try to attack the most important position, which

831
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: is the most important position by a mile.

832
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 7: The simple answer would be because people are wrong for

833
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 7: forty to fifty percent of the time of like, look,

834
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 7: it is very logical to say that the only way

835
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 7: to get to the top in this league is to

836
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 7: have the best quarterback or to have one of the

837
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 7: best quarterbacks. And I completely agree with that. But here's

838
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 7: a little trivia question for you. Who there's only one

839
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 7: quarterback in the twenty first century who was picked in

840
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 7: the top five and won a Super ring with the

841
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 7: team that drafted him. One There was only one, and

842
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 7: it was Carson Wentz, who was.

843
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: A backup because he was hurt for the Eagles.

844
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 7: In the twenty first century, no other quarterback selected in

845
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 7: the top five has won a Super Bowl ring with

846
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 7: the team that drafted him. Eli Manning is a huge

847
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 7: astress because he was technically drafted by the Chargers. So

848
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 7: you just you want to count Eli Manning. There's one.

849
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 7: It's Eli Manning. And so you're looking at a sample

850
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 7: of twenty five drafts right now, where there's a quarterback

851
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 7: picked in the top five almost every year. A lot

852
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 7: of years there's two and three picked in the top five.

853
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 7: None of these guys are winning Super Bowls. So as

854
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 7: much as it's easy to say, oh, just go get

855
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 7: the quarterback, that's how you win, well, we have mountains

856
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 7: and mounts of evidence that say since Peyton Manning, there

857
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 7: hasn't really been a top five quarterback who has proven

858
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 7: to be that elite championship winning MVP caliber guy year

859
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 7: after year. And maybe Burrow becomes that guy, and maybe

860
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 7: Jaden Daniels becomes that guy. And there's so many people

861
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 7: who could become that guy. But let's not spit in

862
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 7: the face of history and say, oh, it's as simple

863
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 7: as just when you have a chance to put a quarterback,

864
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 7: pick him. Because a lot of teams have had a

865
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 7: chance to pick a lot of quarterbacks, your Cleveland Browns included,

866
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 7: and it hasn't always been the thing that leads to success.

867
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: No, we've only picked we picked in the top five

868
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: many times, and we've only picked two quarterbacks since nineteen

869
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: ninety nine, Tim Couch and Baker Mayfield. I mean, I

870
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: would say Josh Allen is of that ILK if you were,

871
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: and you know, you'd certainly say Burrow can be of

872
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 4: that ilk. Jane Daniels think it's very early exercise.

873
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 7: Pick obviously, or top five.

874
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 3: He was not top five.

875
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 5: He went six. Six may have but six. Maybe six

876
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 5: was a good pick.

877
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, just obviously an opportunity up there, and maybe

878
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: you move down and you're still in the top ten

879
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: or whatnot. Mahomes skews everything by being the tenth pick

880
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: in the draft, right, but still that's still a top

881
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: ten pick. So it's just yeah, and I think.

882
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 7: That if you don't want to be at number one,

883
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 7: top five every year, a lot of teams are every year.

884
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 5: Like and you don't want to be that either.

885
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 7: That means you're not top three.

886
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that means you're not doing you're not doing very well.

887
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: The irony, of course, is that the Bills are the

888
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: ones who traded that pick that became Mahomes to the Chiefs,

889
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: and he has now bounced them.

890
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 5: I think five over the last six years. I think

891
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 5: in the postseason.

892
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 4: It's interesting. I just think it's such a hard league,

893
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 4: and especially you know we share Look we're second year, first,

894
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: we share the conference. You know that you are in

895
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 4: as well, and you know that every year to do

896
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 4: anything of consequence, you are going to have to beat

897
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: most likely two of Just to get to a super Bowl,

898
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to beat likely two of Burrough, lamar

899
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 4: Alan and Mahomes. I mean, I just think that's a

900
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: pretty good starting point. And if you don't have somebody

901
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 4: that can do that or even give you a reasonable

902
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: expectation of that, then you can say maybe our goal

903
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: is That's what I was asking the question, if our

904
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: goal is to be the the Bengals in the Andy

905
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 4: Dalton era, win the division four times, don't win any

906
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: playoff games, but we're a good team and a fun

907
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: team and all that. That's one And I think you

908
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: can do that in a variety of ways. I don't

909
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: think you can. If you want to win a super Bowl,

910
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: I don't think you can do it in a variety ways.

911
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 5: You have to have that guy.

912
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 7: And I think that that's kind of an interesting thing

913
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 7: that comes to place with the Titans is of for

914
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 7: years the Titans not because they were the third or

915
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 7: fourth best at doing what everybody else did, but because

916
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 7: they were the best at doing what only they did.

917
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 7: And now in this new era with Brian Callahan. They

918
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 7: are trying to catch up and be the best the

919
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 7: way other teams are the best. And that's a very

920
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 7: successful strategy because obviously that's what leads to the Chiefs

921
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 7: being so great and the Eagles being so great in

922
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 7: all those things. But the Titans had something going with

923
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 7: Derrick Henry and before that with Chris Johnson and before

924
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 7: that with Eddie George of being this downhill run first

925
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 7: team that had an identity like nobody else in the league,

926
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 7: and it was harder to stop them just because they

927
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 7: were the only team you had to prepare for like this.

928
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 7: Now it is theoretically easier to prepare for them, but

929
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 7: they're doing it the way that leads to championships. Now,

930
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 7: is it going to pay off? You need the right guys,

931
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 7: But is it better to be near the championship by

932
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 7: doing the thing that has been proven to not work? Like?

933
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 7: Look last running back who won a Super Bowl the

934
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 7: year he was top five in the NFL and rushing yep,

935
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 7: was Corey Dyllan back in two thousand and four. Like

936
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 7: he'll take one wins this year, it's going to be

937
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 7: a twenty one year divide. He's breaking But like.

938
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 5: Should have been Marshaan Lynch, but that's neither here nor there.

939
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 7: Marshawn was sixth and rushing the year he he was,

940
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 7: I continued, I continue to cherry pickstaffs, but never so.

941
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: I was going to say the year when they didn't

942
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 4: give it to him and they didn't win it. Yeah, yeah,

943
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: that's when he probably should have done it.

944
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

945
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what say.

946
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 7: You never know?

947
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: Go ahead, yep, no, you don't.

948
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: And these two teams are going to be at the

949
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: front of this thing, man, I mean it's going to

950
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: be Titans one and Browns two, and they control how

951
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: this goes to the next couple of months.

952
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: So I'll go ahead, right not going to hold you

953
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 5: to it.

954
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: But if today you're on the clock, who's the pick

955
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: for the Titans today?

956
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 7: Am I allowed to trade it?

957
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: No?

958
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 7: If I am not allowed to trade it right now,

959
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 7: I would take Abdul Carter, and I would probably regret

960
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 7: it just because you're betting on not. I do not

961
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 7: regret because he's going to be bad, but regret because

962
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 7: you're always going to regret not picking the quarterback and

963
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 7: one of the two of them is going to be good.

964
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 7: But I'm just not. I'm not confident in one or

965
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 7: the other. In the same way that I think if

966
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 7: Travis Hunter proves that he can play one hundred and

967
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 7: twenty snaps a game, I'm going to regret not picking

968
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 7: him too. But if the logic is takes the thing

969
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 7: that is best positioning you for getting better, I think

970
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 7: taking a seemingly can't miss edge rusher in the top

971
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 7: five is that.

972
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: Nick really enjoyed this. Thank you so much for your

973
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: time and your expertise and the feel for things going

974
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: on down in Nashville. Thanks Pal, really appreciate you.

975
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, anytime you'll need me, I'm here.

976
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 5: Yeah is good.

977
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Nick sus Titans beat reporter at the Tennessee and joining

978
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: us on the Twisted Tea Hotline presented by Twisted t

979
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: herd iced T, official sponsor of your Cleveland Browns.

980
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: Keep it Twisted Cleveland.

981
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: You know, Mike, what I came away with that thinking

982
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: about the big picture, just where the Titans are. I

983
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: hope they stay at one because I don't want someone

984
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 2: going up to one and getting the quarterback and taking

985
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: that out of Because my hunter is they're not taking a.

986
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 3: Quarterback at one.

987
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd like them to say they're not take quarterback,

988
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: and you truly get your choice. But I see her

989
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: guy though that I I think you can win with

990
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: both of them.

991
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: I just would love us. I just don't know that

992
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: there's the alignment down there, and so if there's not,

993
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: and you just fire a GM and you're looking at

994
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: Brian Callahan, and Brian Callan is probably thinking, if I

995
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: don't win seven games, I'm gone.

996
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 5: Perfect, perfect, and defense is going to make you win games.

997
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: No, No, go get Derek Carr, sure, go get go,

998
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: go make a play at Sam Darnold.

999
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: Fine, go do that.

1000
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: Win seven games, win eight, draft Abdul Carter, draft Travis Hunter. Perfect,

1001
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: we get the pick of the litter quarterback. Fine for me,

1002
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: I would And I think that feels like in play.

1003
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: I think if you're picking number one in the draft

1004
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 4: and you are a team that needs a quarterback and

1005
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: you've watched both of these guys, not taking one, to

1006
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 4: me means you're.

1007
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: Just here's my you're scared.

1008
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: This is so what he's had to I would say,

1009
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: And he's right on the top five. That number is five.

1010
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: If you keep it at five, obviously that's correct. That

1011
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: it's wentce and it's Manning, and that's it. I would

1012
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: say Manning wasn't traded like I mean, they drafted knowing

1013
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: that he was not going to be a charger. Everybody

1014
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: knew that. This is what number one overall gives you.

1015
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 2: He gives you the chance for your people to pick

1016
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: the quarterback you want. Yep, there is some luck that

1017
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: comes with landing a quarterback. Now, all of the reporting

1018
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: was is that Andy Reid in Aberdey and Kansas City

1019
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: loved Patrick Mahomes, and so they were aggressive when he

1020
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: became available, but not so aggressive, and they didn't love

1021
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: him so much that they went all the way to one, yep,

1022
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: or to two.

1023
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 3: They didn't.

1024
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: They allowed other teams to pick ahead of them, and

1025
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: then it became such a point where it was like, Okay,

1026
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: I know he's this good, let's go get him. Kind

1027
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: of like the Falcons last year with Pennix. They didn't

1028
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: love Penick so much that they want to go to

1029
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: the way to two to take him, but when all

1030
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: of a sudden he was available, Okay, let's do it.

1031
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Same thing here. Of course, that's a whole other that's

1032
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: for another topic for another day. But what the Tennessee

1033
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: Titans have the ability to do what hopefully we have

1034
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: the ability to do is vet these quarterbacks and pick

1035
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: the one that you like. And the reality is that

1036
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: you're rarely in that spot. You rarely get to pick

1037
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: the one that you like. You need a combination of

1038
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: luck and happenstance, other teams not being interested all of

1039
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: this to get there. Took a great deal of luck

1040
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: for Patrick Mahomes to be available for the Kansasity Chiefs,

1041
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: and Mahomes is trying to win his fourth Super Bowl.

1042
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 5: And it's Brady was a sixth round pick.

1043
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 4: It's already changed since then since that draft. For example,

1044
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 4: it's already changed in that draft. If that draft, with

1045
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: that draft class of Mahomes and Watson Trubisky who actually

1046
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 4: went third, if that draft happened again, like in twenty

1047
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: twenty five, those guys all go in the top five,

1048
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 4: it would have been Miles the three of them, and

1049
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 4: I don't even remember who else was in that draft.

1050
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: That would have been the one that goes up that early.

1051
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 4: But that's what that's what it would have been. Yes,

1052
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: it's just a different even and that's why those stats

1053
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 4: some way, it's sometimes it's confusing, but you think of

1054
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: like number one overall picks, you know, or top five picks,

1055
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: or if you want to take it, top ten picks. Yeah,

1056
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: Burrow didn't win a super Bowl when he went to

1057
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: a super Bowl on his rookie deal. Goff went to

1058
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 4: a super Bowl with the Rams and has certainly put

1059
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: Detroit in a position to go to a super Bowl.

1060
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 4: I think Detroit one of their big what ifs is like,

1061
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 4: what if we had our defense right? They lost more

1062
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 4: than half of their starting defense, including their three best

1063
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: players on the defensive line gone, and they lose to

1064
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 4: a great offensive team in the Washington Commanders, who lit

1065
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: them up. But he's been to a super Bowl there,

1066
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: an NFC champion. You it's about being realistically having a

1067
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: chance in the dance. Nobody wanted the Bengals to get in.

1068
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 4: I don't care how bad their defense was.

1069
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 5: No, that's what it's That's what it's about.

1070
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: Yes, and we went through it.

1071
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: I mean, the teams that score, the teams that have

1072
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 4: success in the NFL, that is the absolute fact of

1073
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: the matter. And the teams that score all pretty much

1074
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: have top ten quarterbacks. Yeah half of them. Six of

1075
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 4: the twelve were first or second overall picks. The outlier

1076
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 4: is Jalen Hurts, who has the best skill trio around

1077
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 4: him in the.

1078
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 5: League and probably the best overall roster, best.

1079
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 4: Overall roster in the league, and who's better than he

1080
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 4: gets credit for in his own right. I mean, you

1081
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 4: watch that last game when he needed to make the

1082
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: one throw against Washington where they had a one on

1083
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: one and he had to throw a go ball to

1084
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: AJ Brown. He couldn't have thrown that ball any better.

1085
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 5: No.

1086
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 4: Now, I do think that they like the teams he

1087
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: was talking about. Nick was talking about the Titans. Those

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00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 4: Titan teams were very good, but they had to follow

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00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: a particular script to win.

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Speaker 5: And there was a concrete ceiling. Well they weren't going

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00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 5: to be able to burrow through.

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Speaker 2: There was never a situation where you went in even

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00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: when they were the one seed and you went into

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00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: the postseason, goo, oh, the Titans are going to win

1095
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.

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00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 5: No they're not.

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00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: No, because there's always a limitation. For Ryan Tannehill, it was.

1098
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 5: Like, if you get down ten in the second half.

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Speaker 3: Then they're tough to then that's it. That's yeah, No.

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00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 5: It would be wild the same.

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00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: And I don't even think we're saying anything. Crazy Again,

1102
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: it's what do you truly want?

1103
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: Now?

1104
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: Is it more fun for fans to be ten and

1105
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: seven every year?

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00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 5: Win a division? Here?

1107
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: There?

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00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 5: For sure, we haven't won the division. You've got to

1109
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 5: win the division eventually.

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00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 4: But right now you have a spoiled fan base in

1111
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh quite frankly that's ready to run Tomlin out the door.

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00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: You guys had eighteen straight winning seasons, never lost, never lost.

1113
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no playoffs success.

1114
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 5: We've won a playoff game more recently.

1115
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Speaker 2: And so and why because they haven't had Roethlisberger. They

1116
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: have everything else, but they don't have Roethlisberger anymore. Yeah,

1117
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: so they haven't won since he was in his prime.

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00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 5: Since he was in his prime, that's it.

1119
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: I mean when they had Roethlisberger, Le'Veon Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 2: Well, they didn't won a super Bowl with that team.

1121
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 2: They did not, which is crazy.

1122
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 4: But like yandegt right, it's it's it's hard, but to

1123
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: have a real shot, you've got to have that guy.

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Speaker 4: And that's why it is more likely the Eagles absolutely

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00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: can win this game.

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Speaker 5: I think you simulated a million times.

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00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 4: You know, it's probably gonna end up something like fifty

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00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: five percent Chiefs forty five percent Eagles. Of course they

1129
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 4: can win the game. But at the end of the day,

1130
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: the reason that the Chiefs are going to be favored

1131
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: in this game is because they have Patrick Mahomes.

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00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 2: They are seventeen to zero in one score games because

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00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: they have Patrick Mahomes most of the time. I mean,

1134
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: that's He's the reason there's seventeen to zero in one

1135
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: score games since twenty twenty three.

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00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: That matters.

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Speaker 2: the big game. Okay, if Jalen Hurts isn't two, then

1152
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 2: what's the point.

1153
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 5: He's fourteen. He's well down the list. Pete, the two

1154
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 5: quarterbacks go one two, they have to.

1155
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: Pete and Pete is the biggest running backs are overrated

1156
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: guy and he's got He's got Saquon second, which is

1157
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 4: kind of a stunning thing.

1158
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: Where's your excitement level for the Super Bowl? Tepid is

1159
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: how I describe your face.

1160
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm excited to watch it. I absolutely will

1161
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 5: watch it. I'll be dialed in. I think it's cool

1162
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 5: to see the Chiefs chasing history.

1163
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it's just because I was

1164
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 4: on macan, but I was on certainly on my phone

1165
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 4: and on so it doesn't feel like it has like

1166
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: the buzz of In fact, the things that have been

1167
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 4: the most buzzy coming out of all the media stuff

1168
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 4: are schmohawks making comments about the rafts, right, A lot

1169
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 4: of that, like who do you love more Travis Taylor

1170
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: Swift or a phantom fifteen yard roughing the passer penalty?

1171
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 3: How do Travis handle that?

1172
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 5: Was it?

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00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: Just like, dude, It's like just next basically anybody else

1174
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 4: medials got a real question.

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00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

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00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 4: I mean you had the NFL's Referee Association put out

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00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 4: a statement that, Hey, you really think no crew does

1178
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: more than two games a year with a single team.

1179
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: You really think that of all these crews and thousands

1180
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 4: of officials that they're all working together to support the chiefs. Meanwhile,

1181
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 4: the stats don't back that up, none of it does.

1182
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 4: It's to me, that's the that's detracting from it. I mean,

1183
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: it really felt like the biggest NFL story was not

1184
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 4: in fact the Super Bowl at all, but was miles.

1185
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 7: Well that it was.

1186
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it dominated Monday in the national media. The

1187
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: only thing, I will the only thing that even that

1188
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 2: took for us obviously around here it was the biggest story.

1189
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: But the only thing I think that kept it from

1190
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: being even bigger was it was people reacting to Luka

1191
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: Doncic trade on Monday morning, because that was kind of

1192
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: the first time to react to that. So like most

1193
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: of us on the East Coast woke up Sunday morning

1194
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: to Luka Doncic being traded and going, wait.

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00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 3: A second, who trades a twenty five year old? Yep,

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00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: I mean that just never happens.

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00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 5: Nope, what would the NFL equivalent that would that be?

1198
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 5: Would it be?

1199
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: So?

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00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 4: I said it was it would be Burrow to like

1201
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 4: doubt to the Ram, the RAM for Stafford and older

1202
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: but Silver, I mean Anthony Davis is legit.

1203
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, it's.

1204
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: Burrow for Stafford and Allan and Stafford probably Allan maybe.

1205
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: Even it's for Stafford in like a third round pick,

1206
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 4: yeah or less than that isn't it. It's a second

1207
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: first round pick in twenty twenty nine.

1208
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: But what is that even? Who knows what that means?

1209
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 5: It's like a sophomore in high school?

1210
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: Right right? Yeah, Yeah, that's that's it. So like that

1211
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 3: that kind of overwhelmed it.

1212
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't there It's been a very quiet meet

1213
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: week media wise. The thing that I had somebody say

1214
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: this this morning on social I thought it. It resonated

1215
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: with me a lot. He said, you don't the suit

1216
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: super Bowl is just this thing that seems larger than

1217
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: life until your team is in it. So he was

1218
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: a Bengals fan. He said, when we were in the

1219
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: super Bowl, it was all of a sudden, like, oh wow,

1220
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: everyone in the sport is now talking about us, people

1221
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: who have never talked about us before.

1222
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.

1223
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: We have become so accustomed to Mannings into Brady. I

1224
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: mean between the Mannings brothers, Brady Mahomes, it's been a

1225
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: steady diet of the same stories slash people for twenty

1226
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 2: five years. So I think that there is a little

1227
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: bit of what more is there to know about the

1228
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs that isn't known? What more is there

1229
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 2: to know about the Philadelphia Eagles Eagles right in the

1230
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: last four Yeah, right, you're right, Sonners Eagles, Like we've.

1231
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 5: Seen how many of us were in there once?

1232
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one time they want it and they played

1233
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: for it the other time, so like, but that's still

1234
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: that's three NFC teams, Ramsnners, Eagles and the Rams twice, right,

1235
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: Rams twice. That was a long time ago. No, No,

1236
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: they played for it with go when they lost to Brady.

1237
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the last decade.

1238
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had.

1239
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: Brady with the Bucks, Niners, Eagles, and Rams. That's it,

1240
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 2: and then Mahomes and the Falcons in fifty two. Oh yeah,

1241
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: yeah with Ryn fifty one. Yeah, but that's how that's

1242
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: eight years ago.

1243
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 5: It's a long time.

1244
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: That's how long it's been since we since you've had

1245
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: to meet new people. So you trod out Kansas City

1246
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: and you trot out Philly. What more is there to

1247
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: ask Travis Kelce that hasn't been asked? And by the way,

1248
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: like Barkley's new to this, but everybody else in Philly

1249
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: is kind of the same. There's some new faces in

1250
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 2: Kansas City, but they're not the faces that matter most.

1251
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: So it's Chris Jones, It's Kelsey, and it's Mahomes.

1252
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: It's all of them.

1253
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 4: So it's been Chiefs, this is Chiefs, Eagles. Then it

1254
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 4: was Chiefs, Niners, Chiefs Eagles, Bengals, Rams, which was kind

1255
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 4: of new Bucks Chiefs which is actually Brady and Mahomes

1256
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 4: Chiefs Niners, Chiefs Rams.

1257
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 5: And before that was actually in eighteen, was the Eagles Patriot.

1258
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 5: So you've had.

1259
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 4: Eagles three times since eighteen, the Rams once, Niners twice,

1260
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 4: Bucks Rams twice, Bucks once.

1261
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 5: But Brady yeah, right, So there wasn't much new there.

1262
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 5: It was all about Tom All right, hold on, I'm

1263
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 5: gonna do this. This will be fun, Okay.

1264
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 4: Since fourteen, it's either Peyton, Brady or Mahomes, and in

1265
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 4: one case both of them has been in every Super Bowl.

1266
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: Butt one, and the only one that wasn't was Burrow

1267
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: and Stafford.

1268
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: That's right, and that's why there was a fresh feel

1269
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: to I mean, no one hears crazy, but it's seen

1270
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: seeing Cincinnati in the Super Bowl. But it was a

1271
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: fresh field to the Super Bowl. It's like, oh wow,

1272
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know these guys. We haven't seen

1273
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: these guys.

1274
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 4: The Bills Lions would have been on a hype standpoint

1275
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 4: or newness. All of it would have been off the charts.

1276
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, for sure, even Bill's commies sure would

1277
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: have been. It would have been Jaydon Daniels and all

1278
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: of that, and Alan all of it.

1279
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1280
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 5: The problem was is they're both The problem is they're

1281
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 5: both repeats.

1282
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: Yep.

1283
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: So we we've seen this game a lot. They play

1284
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: in the regular season, they've played in Super Bowls like

1285
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: we've seen it, and we've seen these two teams so

1286
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: many times now. It's still gonna do one hundred million, yep,

1287
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: like all we've been blessed.

1288
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 5: You just not. There's not the same build up as

1289
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 5: they're normal as there is if it was.

1290
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 4: A more fresh faced Super Bowl. No, and we have

1291
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 4: three straight three point games in the Super Bowl. Yeah,

1292
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: twenty three, twenty Rams, thirty eight, thirty five Chiefs, twenty five,

1293
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: twenty two Chiefs. You know, so they've been those have

1294
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 4: been good games, and that's what certainly, that's what you're

1295
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: hoping for, hoping.

1296
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 5: For it again.

1297
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: Here my kids hate the Chiefs.

1298
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: I know that drives me now. It's so disappointing. So

1299
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: I get it because I probably hated whatever the equivalent

1300
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: of that.

1301
00:59:59,120 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: Was when I was a kid.

1302
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I did any like the Lakers. Well,

1303
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: that was just because there was only two teams on

1304
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: television when I was a kid. It was either gonna

1305
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: be the Lakers with the Celtics.

1306
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 5: But I don't remember, like, for example, I don't remember

1307
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 5: Jordan ever getting what.

1308
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: Did I say earlier this week?

1309
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: I said exactly that this week he's the only guy

1310
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: that I can recall who is great, and the other

1311
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: one might be Tiger.

1312
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 5: Tiger.

1313
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: They were the only people that you just watched in

1314
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: awe of their greatness. But you think about the slings

1315
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: and arrows that Lebron James has taken on over the

1316
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: last twenty five years. Kobe Bryant took on and hit

1317
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: while he played like there were some of some of

1318
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: his own for sure, Like yeah, but like people, a.

1319
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 3: Lot of people hated him.

1320
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 5: A lot of people hate Lebron and I don't, but

1321
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 5: it's there.

1322
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, we get to a.

1323
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: Point, Gibbe, you get to a point where, like if

1324
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: you're around nobody hated but Steph. I use Steph as

1325
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: an example. A lot of people hate the Warriors hate Steph.

1326
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: There's a lot of that. Like when I watched Mahomes,

1327
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 3: I just think it's a blast to watch.

1328
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 5: People hated Brady of.

1329
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 3: Course, Jordan and Tiger probably the only two who were

1330
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: above that.

1331
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 5: And I would say Jack was above Like, but that's

1332
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 5: going way back.

1333
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it hard to remember that Laker Celtics. You picked sides.

1334
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people hated the Niners through

1335
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: the eighties.

1336
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 5: I would think a lot of people hated the Patriots.

1337
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: Well that though, And I remember I said that earlier

1338
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: in the week there was the flake gate, there was spygate, Like,

1339
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: there's none of that with Kansas City.

1340
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 3: Andy Reid's likable.

1341
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 5: People are admitting up things that the refs are conspiring

1342
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 5: to cheat for them. But isn't it about the exposure

1343
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 5: though that we have to them now?

1344
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: Like you're saying your kids don't like the chiefs, and

1345
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: it's like the exposure of how great they are and

1346
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: how much.

1347
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 4: Why do we not though as a as a society

1348
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 4: you should be in awe of the greatness that I'm

1349
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: not saying I shouldn't. But they're hated and there's no

1350
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 4: real reason to hate them other than they've been so

1351
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 4: good and on board of it.

1352
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: I think, Kevin the point. I think I made this

1353
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: point earlier in the week. Sometimes I forget what I

1354
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: say in the morning what I say in the afternoon,

1355
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: But I think I said something to the effect earlier

1356
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: in the week of the thing about the difference between

1357
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: Jordan and Tiger and the modern athlete, and I think

1358
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 2: Lebron would go for that. And I think, in a way, keV,

1359
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: your exposure comment is on point totally. You only it

1360
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: was such a joy because you didn't see him all

1361
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: the time. You didn't And I think I mentioned this specifically.

1362
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: The only ads I remember Jordan doing were Nike, Gatorade

1363
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: and Haynes. I don't remember seeing him hit. I don't

1364
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: remember being hit over the head with him constantly.

1365
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 5: It was like a big deal.

1366
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: Even if he saw him in a commercial because you

1367
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: didn't you didn't do that much of it, you know.

1368
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: And then so I do think that that there is

1369
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: some of that, There is this overwhelming exposure and then

1370
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: you're being fed at with social media. I mean, Travis

1371
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: Kelsey hosts a very popular podcast with his brother, Like,

1372
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: you weren't able to hear totally those type of you

1373
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't able to hear from those guys all the time.

1374
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: You're either going to get a long form interview in

1375
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated with Peter King, or you'd get a long

1376
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: form sit down. It was a big deal of one

1377
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: of those guys on like up close.

1378
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: Just never happened.

1379
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: No, now we see them constantly. Yeah, so I think

1380
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: that I think the exposure, I think that's part of

1381
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: it too. But yeah, I told the boys, I'm like, well,

1382
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the Chiefs. I want to see history, baby,

1383
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: I want to see a little history.

1384
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 4: It's and by all accounts, you know, Mahomes, Kelsey, Andy

1385
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 4: Reid all really likable people.

1386
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1387
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 4: It's not like they're trying to lean in and play

1388
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 4: the heel or no they've been bad people or whatnot.

1389
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 5: It's it's really just it's a very interesting thing.

1390
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 4: People would like the Chiefs more if they like fell

1391
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 4: on their faces for a few years and then scratched

1392
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 4: it back together and had a second run, you know.

1393
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 4: And I think part of it with the Patriots as well.

1394
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 4: Now part of it doesn't hold water, but it felt

1395
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 4: like they were dominant in two periods that they were

1396
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 4: dominant in the early two thousands, and then dominant in

1397
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 4: that second run there in the in the twenty teens,

1398
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 4: so there was like space. But the reality is they

1399
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 4: went to eight straight AFC championships in the twenty teens.

1400
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 4: Eight straight Yeah, AFC championships. Now the Chiefs gone to seven.

1401
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 4: But it's just it's it's interesting. I I am, I

1402
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 4: think what makes and you and I, you know, work

1403
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 4: every day in an NFL building, and you know, I

1404
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 4: certainly have the utmost respect and appreciation for the insanely

1405
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 4: hard work and hours and all of it that goes

1406
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 4: into trying to be successful. And we obviously have had

1407
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 4: you know, mixed results at best here two winning seasons

1408
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 4: in the last five. But the I in a game

1409
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 4: in which the margins are so thin, in a game

1410
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 4: in which a turnover here or it comes down to

1411
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 4: a few plays a game, and if you're on the

1412
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 4: wrong side of him, you're gonna lose that in those moments.

1413
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 4: This Kansas City Chiefs team, year after year after year

1414
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 4: after year after a year, can do it much like

1415
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 4: Brady did. That's a level of greatness and coordination and

1416
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 4: commitment and buying and execution that is staggering. This is

1417
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 4: not now in the In the NFL, a quarterback, obviously,

1418
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 4: singular greatness can help carry you. But again, Joe Burrow

1419
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 4: had one of the best seasons the quarterbacks ever had,

1420
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 4: didn't make the playoffs on mart Head maybe the greatest

1421
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 4: season of quarterbacks ever had when you think about everything

1422
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 4: involved in what he did as an offensive weapon, and

1423
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 4: they didn't even get to an AFC championship. Yeah, it

1424
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 4: is so hard, So their greatness should be appreciating. The NBA,

1425
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 4: you have a Lebron, you have a Yokich, obviously have

1426
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 4: to put some piece aroundhim. But like it's a lock,

1427
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 4: the NFL is still even the you have a quarter

1428
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 4: it's still such.

1429
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 5: A team game.

1430
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 4: Yeah's many and the Bengals are the perfect example of

1431
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 4: this this year. Like in the NBA, there's no chance

1432
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 4: a player of a top five player in the league's

1433
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 4: team doesn't make the playoffs. And if you're really a

1434
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 4: top five player other than say like a Carmelo or

1435
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 4: a Chris Paul for a long time, you win at

1436
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 4: least one playoff series.

1437
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, Like it's just a lock.

1438
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, just my guyd one guy can do it.

1439
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's not the NFL.

1440
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 4: So like they have this this run of greatness, And

1441
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 4: think about how the Chiefs have transformed themselves to the

1442
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 4: wide open five thousand yards, fifty touchdowns, Tyreek Hills running here,

1443
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 4: you're airing the ball out. Kelsey's still a young pup

1444
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 4: to kind of a tough, hard nosed We're gonna run it,

1445
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 4: We're gonna throw it when we need to. We're gonna

1446
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 4: mahomes Is gonna extend drives with his legs when he

1447
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 4: needs to. Our defense is gonna be locked down, we're

1448
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 4: gonna be physical, and we're gonna dial up blitz Is

1449
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 4: when you least expected and win that way.

1450
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy the evolution that they've had. No, it's it's

1451
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: it's incredibly impressive.

1452
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 4: It's a shame to me that people are choosing to

1453
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 4: be negative about their greatness. Instead of just being in Ava.

1454
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 4: But it definitely is people like the undiscovered. They like

1455
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 4: the way up, and then when they get there and

1456
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 4: they're too big for you.

1457
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: It's like that, right, It's the line for Batman. You're

1458
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: the hero long enough, you lived yourself the villain. The

1459
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: same thing I said this earlier too, like it's Kansas City.

1460
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: This isn't the Cowboys, right, Like they went from the

1461
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: Pride of Alliance winning Super Bowl three. I mean that's

1462
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: a long time ago to this run. Like they weren't

1463
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: some pre eminent team they had. They had a fun

1464
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: run with Christian Okoye and then they got Montana in

1465
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: the nineties or kind of interesting, but.

1466
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 5: Like AFC Championship thing as far as there.

1467
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: Wasn't even in those days.

1468
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 2: It was like, well, yeah, but they're gonna have to

1469
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 2: play an NFC team and they're gonna get smoked in

1470
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: the super Bowl like they were. They haven't been super

1471
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: Bowl contenders for much of their existence. Just weren't all right,

1472
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: we'll go around the sports world. Kyle Brand had one

1473
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: of my favorite things I saw on the internet today

1474
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: that absolutely summed up not just Super Bowl.

1475
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 3: Combine, also the combine.

1476
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 5: It was very very similar to that. We'll get to

1477
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 5: all of that coming up next.

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Speaker 2: zsots on cam Ward here momentarily, little deep dive on

1487
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,799
Speaker 2: the other quarterback, take it look at Jordan Reid's NFL

1488
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 2: mock draft as well. Let's go around the sports world quickly.

1489
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: Another NBA trade. The Bucks traded Chris Middleton Al Johnson

1490
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: a pickswap to the Wizards in exchange for Kyle Kuzma.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who the rest of these people are,

1492
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 3: but the NBA has had an act. It's been active.

1493
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: You had Luca ad over the weekend and there he

1494
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: had the uh oh deeron Fox was traded to play

1495
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 2: with Wemby and in San Antonio as well.

1496
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: What were your thoughts on went on the Luca thing.

1497
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 3: Did I know you?

1498
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 2: You and I pay att pay attention to the NBA

1499
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: certainly interested in the calves and kind of pay attention

1500
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 2: to it. Don't watch like we used to. But at

1501
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: the same time, a twenty five year old who's a

1502
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 2: five time first team All NBA being traded, there's no

1503
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 2: real precedent for that.

1504
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 5: No, and it's and.

1505
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 4: It sounds correct me if I'm wrong on this, because again,

1506
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 4: I'm like, your kids are just reading on the internet.

1507
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 4: So the fact that they did this cost him the

1508
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 4: ability to get a super Maxican.

1509
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 3: It cost him one hundred million dollars.

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 4: So that feels kind of personal. Yeah, which and also

1511
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 4: like the guy just took you to the NBA finals

1512
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 4: last year. If I'm not mistaken, you know, maybe this

1513
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 4: will motivate him to get in Shaved. I thought when

1514
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 4: they took that beer out of his hand last year

1515
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 4: after he Yeah, I.

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01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: Was sitting there with his dad having a beer clinching

1517
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: the Western Conference finals. You're gonna take the beer out.

1518
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 5: Of his hand? Out of his hand? Yeah, that felt

1519
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 5: silly to me.

1520
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 4: Listen, I've always thought and I know it's it's ironic

1521
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 4: because people say you know, Lebron is best when he's

1522
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 4: bald dominant. I always thought Lebron was really also great

1523
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 4: when he had a guy who was bald dominant with

1524
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 4: Hi who could shoot like Kyrie. It takes a lot

1525
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 4: of stress off him and pressure off of him, and

1526
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 4: you can kind of use them in waves. Both of

1527
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 4: those guys can carry the offense like you should always

1528
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 4: have one of them on the floor at all times,

1529
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 4: and you've got an an elite offense with that.

1530
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 5: I like it for them on the Dallas side.

1531
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 4: If it's not that Anthony Davis is washed by any

1532
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 4: stretch of the imagination, but it does feel like.

1533
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 5: A fleecing for the Lakers.

1534
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've done this their whole history. They got

1535
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 2: Wilt from the Sixers, they got Kareem from the Bucks.

1536
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 2: They got Shaquille O'Neal free agency, they got Pau Gasol,

1537
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 2: they got Lebron James. They also pulled off some of

1538
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: the craziest draft trades to teams, including Steed Steppian with

1539
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: the Caves.

1540
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: That's how they got.

1541
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: Worthy, Yeah, Kobe they well, yeah, that was for Vlatti Devoc.

1542
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: They didn't own the magic Johnson pick they traded for that.

1543
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: I want to say it was Utah and like it

1544
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 2: was like Gail Goodrich and somebody to Utah and they

1545
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: ended up getting Magic Johnson number one overall, and then

1546
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 2: they win a couple of titles and then all of

1547
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 2: a sudden, James Worth they get the number two pick. Again,

1548
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 2: I want to say it's Ted Stepien with the Calves

1549
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: sold the pick. I think the Lakers bought it. That's

1550
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 2: the Stepian rule, right, I think that's where that comes from.

1551
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 2: So then they get Worthy he was the National College

1552
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 2: Player of the Year in eighty two, to pair him

1553
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: with Johnson. Then they trade Votti Devoc for Kobe Bryant

1554
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: the draft rights to Kobe Bryant. Like they've done this forever.

1555
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: This is what they do, and now they're set up

1556
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: with a twenty five.

1557
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 5: Year old We likes the potty.

1558
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1559
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 5: Then there was the trade they pulled off for Chris

1560
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 5: Paul that David Stern blocked because the NBA owned the Hornets. Yeah.

1561
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: If they'd done that, though, I don't think they would

1562
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 2: have won the title because that Andrew Binden was in

1563
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: that deal and so is lamar Otem. And the titles

1564
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: that they won with Gasol bid them were on those teams,

1565
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: and so was odem And part of the thing that

1566
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: they had was that incredible amount of length up front

1567
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 2: with the three seven footers. So they don't if they

1568
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: if that deal goes through, they probably don't win. I

1569
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: don't think Lakers play the Mavericks February twenty fifth, Mark

1570
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 2: your calendars. Yeah, yeah, it'll be it'll be a fun one.

1571
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 2: Ryan Rossillo had the funniest him and Simmons went on

1572
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: like right after it happened live on the West Coast

1573
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: because they were still up because this happened in the

1574
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: middle of the night, and Rossillo goes, I don't give

1575
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 2: a blank Luca could smoke a cigarette bringing the ball

1576
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 2: down the court and I wouldn't trade him. And I

1577
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 2: thought there was the funniest line because he's exactly right. True,

1578
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: He's a twenty five year old, five time first team

1579
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: All NBA. I don't care what the problems with them are.

1580
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: If people in front office and management of trouble with him,

1581
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: find new people. Yeah, he doesn't get traded.

1582
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 5: They're saying, these two seventy who cares he was just

1583
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 5: in the finals last year. Yeah, I think it's wild.

1584
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, this struck this absolutely absolutely cracked me up.

1585
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: Kyle Brandt of Good Morning Football. We've had him on

1586
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: the show.

1587
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 3: He's great.

1588
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: He did something this morning on Good Morning Football that

1589
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: absolutely pleased me greatly. It was how every single conversation

1590
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: goes between two media members at the Super Bowl City.

1591
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: I would also tell you that you could you could

1592
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 2: just put in the combine for this and it works

1593
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: perfectly perfectly.

1594
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to Kyle.

1595
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 8: This is if you were a media member already in

1596
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 8: New Orleans or one that's going I just want to

1597
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 8: touch base with you about this. This is how every

1598
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 8: single conversation goes between media members during Super Bowl week.

1599
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 5: It consists of three questions.

1600
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 8: All Right, you're gonna be standing at a party, You're

1601
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 8: gonna have a drink, you're gonna have some sort of

1602
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 8: bracelet on, and you're talking to someone who you don't

1603
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 8: really know, but you kind of know them from social media.

1604
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 8: And the whole time you're talking to them, they're kind

1605
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 8: of looking around the room and.

1606
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 3: So are you.

1607
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 8: But you guys will exchange three questions in that social exchange.

1608
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 8: Question Number one, when'd you get in? And if they say,

1609
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 8: oh just today, you go, oh yeah, nice.

1610
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 5: End of the week.

1611
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 8: It makes sense, you know, save money, get more time

1612
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 8: at home with the fam. But if they say been

1613
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 8: here since Monday, you say, whoa long haul?

1614
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: Been there? Man?

1615
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 8: Bet you can't wait to get home, right, that's question

1616
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 8: number one, question number two, where you're staying and they're

1617
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 8: gonna say the Hyatt or the Hilton, and you just

1618
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 8: go nice, nice, Or you could say whoa wow, high roller.

1619
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 8: Huh that must be nice for you. That's question number

1620
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 8: two and the third question. They all must be asked

1621
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 8: in every exchange. Question number three. You staying for the game,

1622
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 8: and if they say yes, you say nice, nice, Yeah,

1623
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 8: I just hope it's close, just hope it's close. But

1624
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 8: if they say no, I'm actually going to go home

1625
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 8: on Saturday morning, you say, yeah. See, that's the way

1626
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 8: to play it, man. You get home on your couch.

1627
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 8: That's a veteran move right there. That's you know how

1628
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 8: to play it. And then you end the whole exchange

1629
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 8: by just saying we should catch up, man, which you

1630
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 8: just did, and I was, I'll text you, I'll text

1631
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 8: you all right, cool, be good, be good. That's how

1632
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 8: every single exchange goes every.

1633
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 5: Year, all week.

1634
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 4: I mean, he nailed it, nailed it combine. You don't

1635
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 4: have that are you staying for the game piece?

1636
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 5: But you do have are you saying for the weekend,

1637
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 5: for the weekend, Yeah, because most.

1638
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 2: Of the heavy lifting is done for the first couple

1639
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: of days, So it's like, are you going to stay

1640
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: for them for the running and on field?

1641
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 3: You're saying for the on field done and yeah, there's no.

1642
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 5: Reason to you just watch it on TV. Yeah, perfectly safe.

1643
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 5: Well maybe I'll see it almost. I mean, that's that's

1644
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 5: that's the whole thing.

1645
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 4: The best was that you're talking to somebody and and

1646
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 4: their eyes are constantly looking around the room for somebody

1647
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 4: better to talk to. You're kind of doing the same.

1648
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 4: I mean that is like the AC playbook, which is outrageous.

1649
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 5: That the lack of self awareness massive scale.

1650
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, very much, very much, go ahead, give it. No,

1651
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 6: that's why I'm lurking. I'm talking to someone.

1652
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh okay, cool, sweet, Oh wait, there's Chris Simms.

1653
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 3: Oh boy, we'll get it.

1654
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 5: We'll come back to you. I gotta get Sims first, all.

1655
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: Right, we'll do a little higher lower. Also get Z's

1656
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,400
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1657
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1667
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Speaker 3: Today we did the Shoodoor Sanders breakdown from you. Let's

1668
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 3: do a little camp.

1669
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 4: All right, here we go cam Ward and again went

1670
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 4: into this really not knowing much about him, just that

1671
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 4: a lot of people liked him as the as the

1672
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 4: top guy in this and it's been kind of mixed.

1673
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 4: But you know, even read what Jordan Reid says, two

1674
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 4: guys have separated themselves. They are Kim Warden Shoulder Sanders,

1675
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 4: so kind of go through same things. For Cam I've

1676
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 4: watched three games and these are kind of just some

1677
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 4: of my thoughts on that and including his Bowl game

1678
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 4: where he just played half against an Iowa a stay

1679
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 4: team that had a pretty good defense. Right, they were

1680
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 4: like a pretty legit team. Yeah, yeah, he looked quite

1681
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 4: good against them. So same kind of categories, just general speaking,

1682
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 4: and I'll talk about a couple of players that I

1683
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 4: really liked. But arm, very strong arm, ball jumps out

1684
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 4: of his hand, can throw absolute lasers anywhere on the field,

1685
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 4: rockets forty yards under, especially down the middle of the field.

1686
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 4: The arm is elite, it seems, can attack every blade

1687
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 4: of grass with power and precision. When he really slings

1688
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 4: it under fifteen yards, I think he has a low

1689
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 4: margin for error on timing and accuracy because the ball

1690
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,560
Speaker 4: is just moving so quickly that receivers drop some that

1691
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 4: are in the catcherase or it's like he thinks they're going,

1692
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 4: but they kind of throttle down a half step, and

1693
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 4: if the ball's thrown with a little bit less pace,

1694
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 4: they would be able to still catch it, and they're

1695
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 4: just like ooh, rockets got better, I thought as the

1696
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 4: season went on with some of that touch. But that

1697
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 4: arm is terms of arm strength, He's got plenty of

1698
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 4: arm release, quick and powerful, can flick it from any angle.

1699
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 5: Not as consistent in his motion.

1700
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 4: I noticed this a few times that he can tell

1701
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 4: he's a fan of Lamar and mahomes very loose with

1702
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 4: his mechanics. Default is slightly sidearm release. It's interesting down

1703
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 4: the field when he really slings it, because I think

1704
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 4: it's a little side arm. There's a little spin on it.

1705
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 4: Actually the ball kind of moves a little right to

1706
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 4: left in the air, which I noticed on some of

1707
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 4: his balls down the seams. The release is lowish given

1708
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 4: his stature, definite when he's in phase in structure, Slightly

1709
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 4: side arm released, but with a lot of whip and velocity,

1710
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 4: can throw from any arm angle. Natural is slightly low,

1711
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 4: but powerful and accurate, even without stepping into many throws.

1712
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 4: Footwork is not what I would call NFL level. Consistent

1713
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 4: and somewhat flat and nonchalant is the word I use

1714
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 4: a bunch of times. Nonchalant at times just like we'll

1715
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 4: stand there completely flat foot nine seven, just be like,

1716
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 4: and he throws good throws.

1717
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 5: And I said, you know, he's Lamar Mahomes in in

1718
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 5: that regard.

1719
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 4: Pocket tends to drift left naturally, So we'll take this

1720
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 4: snap and just kind of be moving left. He will

1721
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 4: fade back and back and back and back. In the NFL,

1722
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 4: I think he'd have to be more precise with the

1723
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 4: depth of his drop because sometimes he gets so deep

1724
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 4: it makes it's tough on his tackles. He's very good though,

1725
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 4: climbing up and out of the pocket like Jamis on

1726
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 4: a forty five degree angle with his eyes down the

1727
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 4: field to throw on the run, and he can make

1728
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 4: big plays throw on the run, right or left accuracy.

1729
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 4: I said, ball can move right to left on him

1730
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 4: in the airtimes. Ball placement has been good though, from

1731
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 4: all arm release angles and bases, but when he misses,

1732
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 4: it's wide and with velocity that can lead to tips

1733
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 4: and picks, which I saw in the game against Florida

1734
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 4: some of his big time throws. I think you get

1735
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 4: a bad pick six against Cal as well. Some of

1736
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 4: his big time throws are almost so good it seems

1737
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 4: like a video game. Deadly accurate down the field. Deadly

1738
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 4: guy's a.

1739
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 5: Chunk play machine.

1740
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 4: Also good at hitting those receivers and striding setting them

1741
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 4: up for Yak again insane accuracy and touchdown the field.

1742
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: I thought he throws his deep ball as electric and

1743
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 4: sometimes looks so nonchalant, but it is so good. They

1744
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 4: have a good receiver number seven.

1745
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 5: As you know, I haven't.

1746
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 2: I only watched him play once or twice. And then

1747
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: do they have a good tight end Elijah Arroyo like

1748
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 2: number eight or something like eighty.

1749
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, number eight. I think I thought he was big

1750
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 5: in the Senior Bowl.

1751
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 4: Ah, he was, he's I like him on tape. He

1752
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 4: looked quite nice. So yeah, good Actually decision making, said,

1753
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 4: sees it well, but tends to hold the ball and

1754
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 4: drift as he hunts for an even bigger play. There

1755
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 4: are plenty of times he could have had the ball

1756
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 4: out for a nice gain and structure, but wanted to

1757
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 4: try to hold it and get to the huge play.

1758
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 5: I said.

1759
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 4: Now, he's very good at that, but in the NFL

1760
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 4: you have to take the quick layups and easy yards.

1761
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 4: Sometimes he stares down the receiver and invites coverage, and

1762
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 4: that's as he's looking for.

1763
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 5: Some of the big plays.

1764
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 4: Tough, took some big hits, gets right up, tough for

1765
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 4: first rusher to get him down. Ability to shrug off

1766
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 4: rushers or elude them and still make big plays. Runner

1767
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 4: not afraid to pull and run up the first read.

1768
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 4: Isn't there not really He's not like a Lamar dynamic

1769
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:03,839
Speaker 4: not like he's a little bit more of a dynamic

1770
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 4: runner than say Shadour, But again he is more of

1771
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 4: a run to extend the throw player like Shador, but

1772
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 4: able to pull it down and get it there. But

1773
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 4: just like I mean, you're talking about just some nutso throws.

1774
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 4: There was a game in the game against Florida which

1775
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 4: was a season opener, a third and eleven eludesa sack,

1776
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 4: rolls out left flips hip, Jeff George Stoyle throws a

1777
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 4: rocket thirty five yards in the back to the back

1778
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 4: of the end zone on the money for a touch

1779
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 4: I mean, wow, play there were somewhere he read it properly,

1780
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 4: but he was so quick.

1781
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 5: On delivering the football. There so much velocity.

1782
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 4: Even though his safety looked like he could have been

1783
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 4: in the play, the ball's just there before safety could

1784
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 4: even react. So I thought, very good. There can get

1785
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 4: it out real quick, right or left on wide receiver screens,

1786
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 4: hits guys in stride. As I said, he can run

1787
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 4: the RPO game.

1788
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 5: All of that.

1789
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 4: He can throw across his body pretty effortlessly. In the

1790
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 4: Iowa State game, I mean, he had a touchdown that

1791
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 4: he literally didn't even move his feet. He is just

1792
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 4: the most nonchalant thing that was over a linebacker in

1793
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 4: front of a dB, perfect placement, make some big plays

1794
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 4: escaping the pressure.

1795
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 5: I talked about it.

1796
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 4: He gets out on that forty five degree angle like

1797
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 4: Jamis tuns of the ball can make big, big plays.

1798
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 4: In the game against Iowa State in the first half

1799
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 4: of play sixteen was a huge NFL play night. He

1800
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 4: got away from an unblocked guy in the a gap,

1801
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 4: climbed the pocket, looks like he's running on the dead run.

1802
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 4: He flips it with touch over the linebacker to the

1803
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 4: tight end for a big chunk.

1804
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 7: Uh.

1805
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 5: Just his ability to just throw the ball is it

1806
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 5: really is. It's stunning. He is much more of in

1807
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 5: my estimation, kind of like a chunk play machine. He

1808
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 5: will be.

1809
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 4: You would have to coach him in structure to just

1810
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 4: take it, just take because he's always wanting to make

1811
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 4: the huge play. But certainly quite capable of it and

1812
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 4: a bigger arm than Shador. Not as accurate as Shador,

1813
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 4: not as in structure as Shador, but I mean he

1814
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 4: is a chunk play machine.

1815
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 2: Starts it in carne Word, ends up at Washington State

1816
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 2: and then eventually Miami for one year. Was in the

1817
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: draft process a year ago in the NFL said, not right,

1818
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: goes to Miami, plays on a really good Miami team,

1819
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: and he's a Heisman front runner for much of this season.

1820
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 2: And it's really not until they lost I think. Yeah,

1821
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 2: they lost three of their last they lost two of

1822
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: their last three in the last month of the season.

1823
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 2: That pushed them out of the playoff and then they

1824
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: lost that bowl game that you're speaking of. They didn't

1825
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 2: play a lot of games where it was like talent

1826
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 2: for them. In fact, in terms of ranked teams, they

1827
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 2: only played one ranked team this year and it.

1828
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 3: Was Iowa State. That's it.

1829
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 5: He was good against them. He did.

1830
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 2: So what I'm always interested in, all right, well, what

1831
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 2: is similar talent? So Florida would have similar talent in

1832
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: the Florida game twenty six to thirty five, three eighty five,

1833
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:48,440
Speaker 2: three touchdowns.

1834
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 3: One pick.

1835
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 5: Yes, you take that.

1836
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 2: The Louisville team would have a similar talent in that

1837
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 2: one of fifty two to forty five Miami win. He

1838
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 2: was twenty one to thirty two, three to nineteen, four touchdowns,

1839
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: no picks in that game. In the loss to Georgia, Tech.

1840
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 2: He was twenty five of forty one I'm sorry, twenty

1841
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: five of thirty nine for three forty eight, three touchdowns,

1842
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: no picks. In the loss to Syracuse, he was twenty

1843
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 2: five to thirty six three forty nine, two touchdowns.

1844
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 3: No picks.

1845
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 5: The reason I tell you that it's not him, that's

1846
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 5: not why they lost.

1847
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 3: They lost to.

1848
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,799
Speaker 2: Syracuse forty two to thirty eight. Here are there three losses,

1849
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 2: twenty eight twenty three to Georgia Tech, forty two to

1850
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: thirty eight to Syracuse, and forty two to forty one

1851
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: to Iowa State.

1852
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 5: He only played the first half right, and they scored.

1853
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 3: They scored against everybody. They scored.

1854
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he, like I said, really really good, really impressive.

1855
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 4: The iOS game, he threw three touchdowns in the first

1856
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 4: half and they were some of them were just absolute dimes,

1857
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 4: absolute dimes. I mean he his ability to throw the

1858
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 4: ball down the field is really good. Now he had

1859
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 4: to play in that game that should have been a pick,

1860
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 4: and it was one where I liked his decision in

1861
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 4: a game. Yeah, it was play thirty four on offense.

1862
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 4: He knew it was cover three and so he had

1863
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 4: a vertical on the right side that he thought was

1864
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 4: going to clear out that corner, and then his tight

1865
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 4: end kind of leaked and did a post that would

1866
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 4: take him kind of, you know, deep on the right sideline.

1867
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 4: And if he had just either held the safety or

1868
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 4: even looked at the vertical on the right side, I

1869
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 4: think he would have and come back to the tight end,

1870
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 4: it would have been a big play. But what he

1871
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 4: did was he kind of just stared at the tight

1872
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 4: end and so that corner that was on the vertical

1873
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 4: and the right sloughed off because he saw that's where

1874
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 4: he was throwing it, and he basically threw it right

1875
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 4: to that corner.

1876
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 5: And so that's just kind of the the stuff that

1877
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 5: he needs to do.

1878
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 2: Now.

1879
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 4: It's interesting I'm reading this is so those were all

1880
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 4: my words. Here's Jordan Reid's word where he excels. And

1881
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 4: the other thing I want I note on here. Both

1882
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 4: of these guys clutch like cam Ward third down clutch,

1883
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 4: fourth quarter clutch schedure, same way he said, basically, can

1884
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 4: electrifying playmaker true throw from multiple armslots. I talked about

1885
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 4: that generate velocity with ease, no matter the position of

1886
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 4: his body, true like a short stop maneuvering infield. Actually,

1887
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 4: that's one of my notes in there is like he's

1888
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 4: like an in He throws the ball like an infielder

1889
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 4: at times. Eighty point seven total QBR ranks second in

1890
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 4: the country. Twenty nine completions of twenty plus air yards

1891
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 4: tied for fifth. I mean he can throw it down

1892
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 4: the field. He is a chunk play machine. Best in

1893
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 4: his biggest moments fourth quarters ninety three QBR and the

1894
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 4: fourth quarter third in the country. Comeback wins against Virginia

1895
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 4: Tech and Cal included two hundred and thirty eight fourth

1896
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 4: quarter passing yards against the Golden Bears. He had a

1897
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 4: bad pick six in that game. This is where he

1898
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 4: said where he needs work, and this is true. He

1899
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 4: has times where he has to scratch his itch for

1900
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 4: reckless plays and it leaves you asking what the heck

1901
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 4: was he thinking there. I like him, and I don't

1902
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 4: know if that can be coached out of him. Work

1903
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 4: in progress when it comes to controlling careless plays, head

1904
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 4: scratching decisions outside of structurally, the turnovers also had spurts

1905
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 4: of inaccuracy against Georgia Tech. Scouts want to see Ward

1906
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 4: get the ball out quicker. He has a habit of

1907
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 4: looking off open options in the short intermediaries and progressions

1908
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 4: to search for explosive plays. That is totally totally true,

1909
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 4: totally true.

1910
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 2: But the notion that neither of these guys have elite

1911
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: traits I just find nonsensical, ridiculous.

1912
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 4: These guys, I think it would be Tennessee Titans don't

1913
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 4: take quarterback. I think that would be crazy, and I

1914
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 4: certainly would like us to take a quarterback. I think

1915
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 4: you absolutely can win with these guys, no doubt. So

1916
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 4: here's what he says about Shador, which again I want

1917
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 4: to make sure I did nothing. I came up with

1918
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 4: all kind of my own categories and notes. Here he

1919
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 4: said when protecting the pocket, Sanders rhythm come demean in

1920
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 4: an accuracy among the best in the country, shows great

1921
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 4: ball location the short and underneath areas. Despite facing pressure

1922
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 4: on forty percent of his dropbacks, ranks first and completion percentage.

1923
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 4: His poison ball placement improved throughout the season. His six

1924
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 4: point five ARF target rate was third lowest mark in

1925
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 4: the FBS is he allows his receivers to easily get

1926
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 4: yards after the catch. Assistant GM from an NFC team

1927
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 4: said he's been the best of the bunch of me.

1928
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 4: I've been impressed by his growth on field. Demeanor has

1929
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 4: been contagious so far, and the results have shown that.

1930
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 5: On the team.

1931
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 4: Sanders eleven go ahead touchdown passes, we're tied for a

1932
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 4: second most in the country. Again, both these guys clutch winners.

1933
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 4: As the moment's heighten, his heartbeat remains the same. It's

1934
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 4: that unwavering conference that excite scouts the most. Where he

1935
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 4: needs work. Needs to get the ball out quicker average

1936
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 4: two point nine seconds before throwing the season tied for

1937
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 4: one hundred and tenth in the FBS, while plenty of

1938
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 4: blame people put on inconsistent protection, and that's an understatement.

1939
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 4: Needs to trust is expiring internal clock and distribute tens,

1940
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 4: drift backward or search for escape lanes out the side

1941
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 4: of the pocket. Needs to cut down on taking avoidable

1942
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 4: sacks and compounding mistakes. Forty two sacks he took where

1943
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 4: the most in the FBS. I'll tell you what it's

1944
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 4: a again, I only watched four games. It's amazing me.

1945
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 4: He who didn't get sick double that time? Yeah, seriously,

1946
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 4: come crazy.

1947
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 2: Under Shermer Colorado's passing tack. I'd love to get Trumann

1948
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 2: here to talk to him.

1949
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 5: Abou him.

1950
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 4: I think we can probably get pat On, yeah, more

1951
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 4: of an underneath average seven point four air yards per attempt.

1952
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 4: He attended the East West Trining game, didn't participate well

1953
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 4: mention hell well, he interviewed there genuine and open praise

1954
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 4: the understanding of the game. So he definitely can throw

1955
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 4: the football down the field. I mean the games I watch,

1956
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,679
Speaker 4: he certainly threw the ball down the field. That seven

1957
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 4: point four number is going to be skewed by. They

1958
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 4: tried to get a running game out of pop passes,

1959
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 4: which are going to have a negative air yards, and

1960
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 4: then they did throw a decent amount of wide receiver screens,

1961
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 4: just trying to get the ball out and avoid the sacks.

1962
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 4: But he definitely has no problem putting it down the field.

1963
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 4: And I would say the majority of the throws that

1964
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 4: I was charting, we're certainly downfield. I don't even really,

1965
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you. When I watched quarterbacks, I

1966
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 4: don't even look at pop passes. I look at the

1967
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 4: screens to see like are they putting it on the

1968
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 4: right side and allowing them to make plays?

1969
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 5: And how quick does it get to them? Well, Like,

1970
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 5: I don't even that's not what I'm watching for.

1971
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,160
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1972
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,920
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1973
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1974
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1975
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1976
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1977
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1978
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1979
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1980
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1981
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1982
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1983
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